Legislature(2021 - 2022)SENATE FINANCE 532

06/02/2021 04:00 PM CONFERENCE COMMITTEE ON HB69 AND HB71

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04:34:28 PM Adjourn
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+= HB 69 APPROP: OPERATING BUDGET/LOANS/FUNDS TELECONFERENCED
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+= HB 71 APPROP: MENTAL HEALTH BUDGET TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ FY22 Operating Budget: TELECONFERENCED
- Dept. of Administration
- Dept. of Fish & Game
- Dept. of Natural Resources
- Dept. of Public Safety
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               32nd ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                    
                       FIRST SESSION                                                                                            
                      SPECIAL SESSION                                                                                           
          CONFERENCE COMMITTEE ON HB 69 and HB 71                                                                               
                       June 2, 2021                                                                                             
                         4:02 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:02:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Chair Foster called the Conference Committee meeting on HB
69 and HB 71 to order at 4:02 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT:                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
House:                                                                                                                          
Representative Neal Foster, Chair                                                                                               
Representative Kelly Merrick                                                                                                    
Representative Bart LeBon                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senate:                                                                                                                         
Senator Bert Stedman, Vice-Chair                                                                                                
Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                            
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT:                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Alexei Painter, Director, Legislative Finance Division.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB 69     APPROP: OPERATING BUDGET/LOANS/FUNDS                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
          HB 69 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                     
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HB 71     APPROP: MENTAL HEALTH BUDGET                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          HB 71 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                     
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 69(FIN) am(brf sup maj fld)(efd fld)                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     loan  program  expenses  of state  government  and  for                                                                    
     certain   programs;    capitalizing   funds;   amending                                                                    
     appropriations;  and   making  capital  appropriations,                                                                    
    supplemental appropriations, and reappropriations."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SCS CSHB 69(FIN) AM S                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     loan  program  expenses  of state  government  and  for                                                                    
     certain   programs;    capitalizing   funds;   amending                                                                    
     appropriations;    making    capital    appropriations,                                                                    
     supplemental appropriations,  and reappropriations; and                                                                    
     providing for an effective date."                                                                                          
and                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 71(FIN) am                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     capital    expenses   of    the   state's    integrated                                                                    
     comprehensive    mental    health    program;    making                                                                    
     supplemental  appropriations;  and   providing  for  an                                                                    
     effective date."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATE CS FOR CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 71(FIN)                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     capital    expenses   of    the   state's    integrated                                                                    
     comprehensive  mental  health program;  making  capital                                                                    
     appropriations  and  supplemental  appropriations;  and                                                                    
     providing for an effective date."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:03:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Chair  Foster  invited  Alexei   Painter,  Director  of  the                                                                    
Legislative Finance  Division to  join the committee  at the                                                                    
table. He noted that the  committee would be addressing open                                                                    
items  in  HB 69  and  HB  71  based  on the  motion  sheets                                                                    
distributed to members and dated  June 2nd (copy on file) on                                                                    
the departments of:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
FY 22 OPERATING                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION                                                                                               
     DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND GAME                                                                                                
     DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES                                                                                            
     DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY                                                                                                
     LEGISLATURE                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
^DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:03:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Stedman  MOVED to ADOPT the  following within the                                                                    
Department of Administration budget:                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Item 1         Senate                                                                                                      
     Items 2-4      Senate                                                                                                      
     Item 5         House                                                                                                       
     Item 6         Senate                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon OBJECTED to items 2, 3, and 4.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Chair Foster indicated  the committee would set  items 2, 3,                                                                    
and 4 aside.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
There  being  NO  OBJECTION,  items  1,  5  and  6  for  the                                                                    
Department of Administration's budget were ADOPTED.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Chair Foster  invited Representative  LeBon to speak  to his                                                                    
objection to items 2, 3, and 4.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon  relayed that  in House Finance  and on                                                                    
the floor of the House  the amendment passed with the intent                                                                    
language  that   the  Department  of   Administration  would                                                                    
realize  a  savings  over the  following  budget  year.  The                                                                    
amendment helped  to define a  target savings of at  least 5                                                                    
percent. He hoped the language could be kept in the budget.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Chair Foster read the intent language:                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     "It is the intent of the Legislature that Shared                                                                           
     Services of Alaska prioritize cost saving efforts and                                                                      
     achieve a cost savings of at least 5 percent."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Chair  Foster indicated  the dollar  amount associated  with                                                                    
the intent  language was  $329,000 and  $163,000 of  cuts to                                                                    
interagency receipts (IA) within DOA.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Chair  Stedman  commented that  when  looking  at the  issue                                                                    
within  DOA it  was nice  to  put downward  pressure on  the                                                                    
operations of  the state.  The legislature  had done  so for                                                                    
the  previous several  years and  thought it  would continue                                                                    
for a handful  of years. He supported  the Senate's position                                                                    
to not have the items in the budget.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson remarked he did  not understand the resistance                                                                    
to  making  things clearer  to  the  public especially  when                                                                    
people looked  at the associated  documents. He saw  no harm                                                                    
in keeping the items in the budget.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Chair  Foster  understood  that  when  the  department  came                                                                    
before  the  legislature and  the  issue  was discussed  the                                                                    
intent  was  to  realize savings  through  shared  services.                                                                    
However,  the department  wanted to  give it  a year  to see                                                                    
what kind  of savings  could be  attained. In  combining the                                                                    
amounts,  the intent  language indicated  wanting  to see  a                                                                    
savings  of 5  percent making  a cut  of about  $500,000. He                                                                    
thought  the  department  wanted  some  time  to  realize  a                                                                    
savings before inserting  a number. He asked  Mr. Painter to                                                                    
comment.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:07:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ALEXEI PAINTER, DIRECTOR,  LEGISLATIVE FINANCE DIVISION, had                                                                    
heard the  same discussion in  committee that the  intent of                                                                    
the department  was to phase  in the  cuts over a  number of                                                                    
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson asked  what  the advantage  was  to have  the                                                                    
reductions phased in over time.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter responded  that in the first year  the Office of                                                                    
Management and Budget  was working with DOA to  set up rates                                                                    
in advance.  Building in  the reductions  in the  first year                                                                    
would  not  match  with  the rates  that  had  already  been                                                                    
adopted.   Allowing   the   department  to   see   how   the                                                                    
consolidation  worked and  adjust the  rates accordingly  in                                                                    
the second year was the intention of the department.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  asked if the  fishermen were in favor  of the                                                                    
rate  changes  they  would  be  seeing.  Mr.  Painter  asked                                                                    
Senator Olson  to repeat his  question. Senator  Olson asked                                                                    
if fishermen  were in favor  of the rate changes  they would                                                                    
be seeing  in the future.  Mr. Painter  was not sure  of the                                                                    
Senator's   question.  Chair   Foster  asked   a  clarifying                                                                    
question   to  Senator   Olson.  Senator   Olson  asked   if                                                                    
commercial  fisheries  were  being discussed.  Chair  Foster                                                                    
clarified that  the committee was discussing  the budget for                                                                    
DOA.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon  pointed out the language  was included                                                                    
to  signal to  DOA that  the legislature  was watching.  The                                                                    
intent language was a reminder  of the pledge the department                                                                    
originally made to achieve savings.  By keeping the language                                                                    
intact, the issue would remain alive.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon MAINTAINED his OBJECTION.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:10:11 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:10:46 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Chair Foster  clarified that the  motion was to  adopt items                                                                    
2,  3, 4.  There was  an objection  which was  maintained. A                                                                    
"yes"  vote would  be  in  favor of  the  Senate version  to                                                                    
exclude the House language.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR: Foster, Stedman, Merrick, Bishop                                                                                      
OPPOSED: LeBon, Olson                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
The  MOTION  PASSED  (4/2).  Items  2,  3,  and  4  for  the                                                                    
Department of Administration's budget were ADOPTED.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:11:53 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:12:10 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Chair Foster  stated the  actions closed  out all  items for                                                                    
the Department of Administration.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
^DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND GAME                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:12:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Stedman  MOVED to ADOPT the  following within the                                                                    
Department of Fish and Game budget:                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Items 1-11     Senate - All Items                                                                                          
     Item 12        House; Modify fund source, 1199 sport                                                                       
                    fish enterprise fund                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  LeBon  OBJECTED  for  discussion.  He  asked                                                                    
whether item 5 was a one-time only increment.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson OBJECTED to item 1 and item 10.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Chair  Foster would  take  the objection  to  all items.  He                                                                    
directed Mr. Painter to comment on item 5.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter responded that the  general fund increment was a                                                                    
one-time  item. The  Commercial  Fisheries Entry  Commission                                                                    
(CFEC) receipts  were over-appropriated in the  FY 22 budget                                                                    
due to reduced revenue in  the current fiscal year. The one-                                                                    
time  general fund  amount would  enable  the department  to                                                                    
utilize  less  of the  receipts  and  get through  the  year                                                                    
without going negative in the account.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  LeBon asked  if the  one-time condition  was                                                                    
self-correcting or whether  there was a plan  to correct the                                                                    
issue.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter replied that the  one-time effect was due to the                                                                    
Covid-19 pandemic. It was expected to be a one-time issue.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative   LeBon  also   OBJECTED  to   item  12   for                                                                    
additional clarification.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Chair Foster  conveyed item  12 had to  do with  the funding                                                                    
for the  Crystal Lake and  the Douglas Island Pink  and Chum                                                                    
(DIPAC) Hatcheries. He asked Representative  LeBon if he had                                                                    
a specific question.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon  noted it was a  one-time increment. It                                                                    
was  his understanding  that a  surcharge on  sports fishing                                                                    
licenses had  provided funding for the  fish hatcheries. Now                                                                    
that  the one-time  sport fishing  surcharge had  ended, the                                                                    
fund would bridge the following  year when the sport fishing                                                                    
surcharge  was   expected  to  take   place  and   fund  the                                                                    
hatcheries. He asked if his understanding was correct.                                                                          
Mr. Painter responded, "That is correct."                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Chair Foster  noted Senator Olson  had questions  on items 1                                                                    
and 10.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  thought the items  appeared to  be identical.                                                                    
He asked for clarification.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Chair Foster  indicated that both items  opened the Wrangell                                                                    
office. He  explained that the  committee was  accepting the                                                                    
Senate's structure not  to consolidate Commercial Fisheries.                                                                    
The committee  would be  keeping the  regions broken  out to                                                                    
include  Artic-Yukon-Kuskokwim (AYK),  Southeast, Statewide,                                                                    
and  others. The  House version  referred  to reopening  the                                                                    
Wrangell office with the  allocation of Commercial Fisheries                                                                    
under  consolidation.  The  committee  was  opting  for  the                                                                    
Senate  version   which  kept  everything  broken   out.  He                                                                    
continued that  item 10  referred to  the House  version and                                                                    
item  1  referred to  the  Senate  version. He  invited  Mr.                                                                    
Painter to comment.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  relayed that  Chair Foster  was correct  in his                                                                    
explanation.  He  added that  the  Senate's  items 1-4  were                                                                    
mirrored in  the House's items  7-10. All of the  items were                                                                    
identical, just in different structures.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson WITHDREW the OBJECTION.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative   LeBon  asked   if  the   decision  not   to                                                                    
consolidate  came  with  a  zero fiscal  note.  It  was  his                                                                    
understanding   that  when   consolidating,  the   goal  was                                                                    
typically  to  achieve  a  savings.  The  governor's  budget                                                                    
proposed to consolidate  the areas into one.  He wondered if                                                                    
there would  be any fiscal impact  accompanying the decision                                                                    
not  to  consolidate.  He  wondered   if  the  decision  was                                                                    
money-neutral.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  believe  the  agency  stated  there  would  be                                                                    
efficiencies  moving to  a consolidated  structure. However,                                                                    
there were no actual  funding reductions associated with the                                                                    
consolidated structure.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon WITHDREW his OBJECTION.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
There  being  NO  OBJECTION,  items 1  through  12  for  the                                                                    
Department of Fish and Game's budget were ADOPTED.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
^DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:19:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Stedman  MOVED to ADOPT the  following within the                                                                    
Department of Natural Resources budget:                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Item 1         Senate                                                                                                      
     Item 2         House                                                                                                       
     Items 3-5      Open                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon OBJECTED to item 1.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  LeBon  relayed  that  the  item  was  intent                                                                    
language.  He  realized  there  was  an  argument  over  the                                                                    
constitutionality of  the intent language. However,  the aim                                                                    
was that  the state  would do  no harm  to a  private sector                                                                    
business  that  was  engaged  in  the  business  of  selling                                                                    
gravel. The  intent language was designed  to protect public                                                                    
sector  businesses  from  unfair competition  from  a  state                                                                    
agency  selling  gravel  out  of  a  state  gravel  pit.  He                                                                    
encouraged members to leave the language in the budget.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Chair Stedman thought that although  the language provided a                                                                    
good  point,  it  violated the  confinement  clause  of  the                                                                    
constitution and did not fit  in an appropriating budget. He                                                                    
opined  there  were  numerous   attempts  to  insert  intent                                                                    
language  into  the budget.  He  believed  the two  chairmen                                                                    
needed  to  work  together over  the  winter  to  streamline                                                                    
things. He  opined the  legislature was  gravitating towards                                                                    
violating  the confinement  clause through  intent language.                                                                    
He suggested that  intent language be offered  in a separate                                                                    
bill  in the  future  rather than  in  the operating  budget                                                                    
bill. He also thought the  agency had the authority to carry                                                                    
out the  intent language whether  or not it was  inserted in                                                                    
the budget.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  realized there was a  confinement clause, and                                                                    
there were  questions as  to whether  the language  would be                                                                    
relevant. However, he  had been in the  private sector until                                                                    
he  was elected  to his  legislative seat  and did  not like                                                                    
when public money  was competing. He was in  full support of                                                                    
the  intent language  in  item 1  in spite  of  some of  the                                                                    
issues   related   to   the  confinement   clause   in   the                                                                    
constitution                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Chair Foster read the intent language:                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     It  is   the  intent   of  the  legislature   that  the                                                                    
     Department  of Natural  Resources sell  gravel or  fill                                                                    
     extracted  from  state land  at  cost  to any  federal,                                                                    
     state, or local agency or public corporation working                                                                       
     on a public project not competing with private                                                                             
     industry.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Chair Foster summarized  that DNR would sell  gravel at cost                                                                    
to  other federal  entities as  long as  it did  not compete                                                                    
with private  industry. He agreed with  Senator Stedman that                                                                    
in terms  of the  budget, the  legislature should  stay away                                                                    
from making  policy calls in an  appropriations bill. Policy                                                                    
changes  should  be taken  up  in  separate legislation.  He                                                                    
thought  the   legislature  would  work  to   reduce  intent                                                                    
language in the future.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative MAINTAINED his OBJECTION.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR: Stedman, Foster, Bishop, Merrick                                                                                      
OPPOSED: Olson, LeBon                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
The  MOTION  PASSED  (4/2).  Items   1  through  5  for  the                                                                    
Department of Natural Resources' budget were ADOPTED.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
^DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:24:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Stedman  MOVED to ADOPT the  following within the                                                                    
Department of Public Safety budget:                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Item 4         House                                                                                                       
     Item 5         House                                                                                                       
     Item 7         Open                                                                                                        
     Item 9         Open                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
There  being NO  OBJECTION, items  4, 5,  7, and  9 for  the                                                                    
Department of Public Safety's budget were ADOPTED.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
^LEGISLATURE                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:25:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Stedman  MOVED to ADOPT the  following within the                                                                    
Legislature's budget:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Item 5         Senate                                                                                                      
     Item 6         Senate                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon OBJECTED to items 5 and 6.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  LeBon asked  about  the  intent of  removing                                                                    
legislative  per diem  from the  numbers  section and  being                                                                    
placed in  the language  section. His understanding  was the                                                                    
intent was to stop paying per diem after day 120.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Chair  Foster   clarified  that  Representative   LeBon  was                                                                    
objecting  to items  5  and 6.  He  asked if  Representative                                                                    
LeBon had any more to add.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  LeBon  wanted  clarification  regarding  the                                                                    
conditional  language   that  stated   after  day   120  the                                                                    
legislature would not  collect per diem. He asked  if he was                                                                    
correct.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Chair Foster indicated his understanding  was that the items                                                                    
moved  per diem  from the  numbers section  to the  language                                                                    
section. He asked Mr. Painter to comment.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  responded that the language  simply stated that                                                                    
the  amount  of  $1.995  million was  appropriated  for  the                                                                    
purpose of per  diem. The language did not  specify that the                                                                    
money was limited to 120 days.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon asked if  the amount which was slightly                                                                    
under  $2 million  was  approximately equal  to  120 of  per                                                                    
diem.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter responded, "Yes."                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Chair Foster  clarified that the  items were  not eliminated                                                                    
the dollar  amount, it was  simply moving the  dollar amount                                                                    
from the numbers  section to the language  section. He asked                                                                    
if he was correct.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter responded in the affirmative.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon  asked if per  diem would cease  if the                                                                    
items  were  adopted,  120  had  been  reached,  and  $1.995                                                                    
million had already  been spent on per diem. He  asked if he                                                                    
was correct.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter replied  that through  the appropriation,  yes.                                                                    
However,  it would  not limit  the legislature's  ability to                                                                    
transfer money from other appropriations  for the purpose of                                                                    
per diem.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Chair Stedman  thought it would  be nice for Mr.  Painter to                                                                    
explain  to the  public the  difference between  the numbers                                                                    
section  and  the  language  section. He  noted  it  was  an                                                                    
archaic term outside of the committee table.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter replied that  the numbers section appropriations                                                                    
were  an allocation  within a  larger  appropriation of  the                                                                    
legislative operating  budget. Agencies  had the  ability to                                                                    
transfer  money  within  an   appropriation.  As  a  numbers                                                                    
section item, the legislature could  transfer money from one                                                                    
allocation  to  another. As  a  language  section item,  the                                                                    
transferability  was   limited  because   it  was   its  own                                                                    
appropriation for a specific  purpose. However, the language                                                                    
did not  specifically state 120  days. He confirmed  that it                                                                    
would  be  more  difficult  to  transfer  the  money  around                                                                    
because it was a language appropriation.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:29:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Chair  Stedman  understood that  the  way  the language  was                                                                    
written and  placed in the  budget would  preclude employees                                                                    
from getting  paid. The  only people  getting paid  would be                                                                    
legislators. He  thought the intent and  implementation were                                                                    
two  different  things.  He  thought  things  needed  to  be                                                                    
cleared up.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson asked that if  the committee were to adopt the                                                                    
items  would  the  payments  to  legislators  and  employees                                                                    
cease.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  replied  that the  language  was  specific  to                                                                    
legislators'  salaries  and  allowances. In  previous  items                                                                    
that had already been addressed  by the conference committee                                                                    
there were  items that would  impact legislative  staff. The                                                                    
current items  would only  impact legislators'  salaries and                                                                    
allowances.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  clarified that if the  committee accepted the                                                                    
items which would  move the amount to  the language section,                                                                    
legislators' per diem would stop after 120 days.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:30:47 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:32:19 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENNED                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter   clarified  that  the  funding   provided  120                                                                    
days-worth  of funding.  After  that  time, the  legislative                                                                    
session  would  be  over,  and legislators  would  be  in  a                                                                    
special  session.  The  was  a  separate  appropriation  for                                                                    
special session  contingencies. Special session  funding was                                                                    
not funded  by the appropriation being  discussed whether it                                                                    
was in the numbers section or the language section.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon MAINTAINED his OBJECTION.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR: Bishop, Merrick, Olson, Stedman, Foster                                                                               
OPPOSED: LeBon                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
The   MOTION  PASSED   (5/1).  Items   4  and   5  for   the                                                                    
Legislature's budget were ADOPTED.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Chair Foster  stated the  actions closed  out all  items for                                                                    
the Legislature's budget.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Chair Foster  relayed that  when the  next meeting  date and                                                                    
time had  been determined, the  details would be  noticed on                                                                    
BASIS on akleg.gov.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Stedman   MOVED  to  ADJOURN.  There   being  NO                                                                    
OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:34:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
The meeting was adjourned at 4:34 p.m.                                                                                          

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