Legislature(1995 - 1996)

03/02/1995 03:36 PM STA

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               SENATE STATE AFFAIRS COMMITTEE                                
                          March 2, 1995                                        
                           3:36 p.m.                                           
                                                                               
  MEMBERS PRESENT                                                              
                                                                               
 Senator Bert Sharp, Chairman                                                  
 Senator Randy Phillips, Vice-Chairman                                         
 Senator Loren Leman                                                           
 Senator Jim Duncan                                                            
 Senator Dave Donley                                                           
                                                                               
  COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                           
                                                                               
 SENATE BILL NO. 80                                                            
 "An Act relating to police protection service areas in unified                
 municipalities; and to police protection provided by the state in             
 certain municipal areas."                                                     
                                                                               
 SENATE BILL NO. 51                                                            
 "An Act relating to income of the permanent fund; and providing for           
 an effective date."                                                           
                                                                               
 HOUSE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION NO. 5                                             
 Commemorating the attack on Pearl Harbor by establishing Pearl                
 Harbor Remembrance Day.                                                       
                                                                               
 HOUSE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION NO. 8                                             
 Designating the month of March as "Women's History Month."                    
                                                                               
 HOUSE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION NO. 11                                            
 Designating March 1995 as Sobriety Awareness Month, commonly                  
 referred to as "SAM."                                                         
                                                                               
  PREVIOUS SENATE COMMITTEE ACTION                                             
                                                                               
 SB 80 - No previous senate committee action.                                  
                                                                               
 SB 51 - See State Affairs minutes dated 2/14/95.                              
                                                                               
 HCR 5 - No previous senate committee action.                                  
                                                                               
 HCR 8 - No previous senate committee action.                                  
                                                                               
 HCR 11 - No previous senate committee action.                                 
                                                                               
  WITNESS REGISTER                                                             
                                                                               
 Senator Steve Rieger                                                          
 State Capitol, Juneau, Alaska, 99801-1182¶465-3879                            
   POSITION STATEMENT: prime sponsor of SB 80 & SB 51                          
                                                                               
 Tim Rogers, Executive Assistant                                               
 Anchorage Mayor's Office                                                      
 632 W. 6th Ave., Anchorage, AK ¶343-4431                                      
   POSITION STATEMENT: opposed to SB 80                                        
                                                                               
 Judy Morelein                                                                 
 Anchorage, AK                                                                 
   POSITION STATEMENT: gave testimony favorable to SB 80                       
                                                                               
 Bob Bell                                                                      
 Anchorage, AK                                                                 
   POSITION STATEMENT: gave testimony favorable to SB 80                       
                                                                               
 Paul Lance                                                                    
 18530 Kittiwake Circle, Anchorage, AK 99516                                   
   POSITION STATEMENT: gave testimony favorable to SB 80                       
                                                                               
 Barbara Weinig                                                                
 P.O. Box 113849, Anchorage, AK 99511                                          
   POSITION STATEMENT: gave testimony favorable to SB 80                       
                                                                               
 Dick Weinig                                                                   
 P.O. Box 113849, Anchorage, AK 99511                                          
   POSITION STATEMENT: supports SB 80                                          
                                                                               
 Pat Abney, Assembly Member                                                    
 Anchorage, AK                                                                 
   POSITION STATEMENT: supports SB 80                                          
                                                                               
 Del Smith, Deputy Commissioner                                                
 Department of Public Safety                                                   
 P.O. Box 111200, Juneau, AK 99811-1200¶465-4362                               
   POSITION STATEMENT: testified on SB 80                                      
                                                                               
 Representative Bettye Davis                                                   
 State Capitol, Juneau, Alaska, 99801-1182¶465-3875                            
   POSITION STATEMENT: prime sponsor of HCR 8                                  
                                                                               
 Deborah Ostendorf, Aide to Representative Nicholia                            
 State Capitol, Juneau, Alaska, 99801-1182¶465-4527                            
   POSITION STATEMENT: prime sponsor of HCR 11                                 
                                                                               
  ACTION NARRATIVE                                                             
                                                                               
 TAPE 95-8, SIDE A                                                             
                                                                               
 Number 001                                                                    
                                                                               
 SSTA - 3/2/95                                                                 
                                                                               
               SB  80 MUNICIPAL POLICE SERVICES                              
 CHAIRMAN SHARP calls the Senate State Affairs Committee to order at           
 3:36 p.m. and brings up SB 80 as the first order of business before           
 the committee.  The chairman calls the first witness.                         
                                                                               
 Number 020                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR RIEGER, prime sponsor of SB 80, reads the sponsor statement           
 on SB 80 to the committee.                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 065                                                                    
                                                                               
 TIM ROGERS, Executive Assistant, Anchorage Mayor's Office,                    
 testifying from Anchorage, informs the committee that the mayor and           
 his administration are adamantly opposed to SB 80.  Mr. Rogers                
 lists reasons for opposing the bill.  One of the reasons for                  
 opposition is SB 80 would ensure that municipal laws will continue            
 to be unenforceable in special areas of the city.  Mr. Rogers does            
 not believe SB 80 is in the best interest of Anchorage or Alaska.             
                                                                               
 Number 115                                                                    
                                                                               
 JUDY MORELEIN, Home and Landowners Organization (HALO), testifying            
 from Anchorage, explains the area encompassed by HALO and                     
 introduces the next four witnesses.                                           
                                                                               
 Number 135                                                                    
                                                                               
 BOB BELL, Assemblyman from south Anchorage, testifying from                   
 Anchorage, does not agree with Mr. Rogers' description of the                 
 Hillside as a privileged area.  Anchorage was organized under a               
 service-area concept.  The concept is that each of the service                
 areas that agree to become part of the Municipality of Anchorage,             
 vote on the services to be provided to them.  The Hillside area               
 includes approximately 35% of the assessed valuation in Anchorage.            
 Hillside residents feel their area is a rural environment, while              
 the Anchorage Police Department is an urban department; so Hillside           
 residents feel they would be better served by Alaska State                    
 Troopers.                                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 200                                                                    
                                                                               
 PAUL LANCE, Member, Potter Creek Homeowners' Board, testifying from           
 Anchorage, also thinks the Anchorage Police Department is                     
 overpriced, but the state troopers are not.  Mr. Lance does not               
 thing the Hillside would get it's moneys worth from the Anchorage             
 Police Department.                                                            
                                                                               
 Number 230                                                                    
                                                                               
 BARBARA WEINIG, Member, Board of Directors of Rabbit Creek                    
 Community Council and HALO, testifying from Anchorage, informs the            
 committee that a survey done on the cost of Alaska State Trooper              
 coverage in the Hillside area for a two-month period in 1993 was              
 $4,200.  Hillside residents were told that even if they elected               
 coverage by the Anchorage Police Department, there would not be               
 very much coverage of the Hillside area because the crime rate                
 there was so low.  Ms. Weinig asserts there would be no Anchorage             
 Police Department Officers to serve the Hillside at this time,                
 because it takes two years to train officers.  But she believes               
 there are currently troopers available who could serve the Hillside           
 area.  Ms. Weinig also believes SB 80 will benefit other areas of             
 the state, such as Healy, Kodiak, and the North Star Borough.                 
                                                                               
 Number 284                                                                    
                                                                               
 DICK WEINIG, testifying from Anchorage, states he strongly supports           
 SB 80, and asserts it is not just a bill for the Hillside area, but           
 is a statewide bill.  It would offer self-determination to                    
 communities across the state.  Mr. Weinig repeats statements made             
 by Ms. Weinig, Mr. Lance, and Mr. Bell regarding the cost of                  
 Anchorage Municipal Police versus the cost of Alaska State Trooper            
 coverage, and the Hillside area being a rural.  He also addresses             
 non-enforcement of municipal laws by state troopers, and thinks               
 that would not be a problem.  Mr. Weinig thinks the Hillside is               
 paying its' fair share already.                                               
                                                                               
 Number 365                                                                    
                                                                               
 PAT ABNEY, Assembly Member, testifying from Anchorage, states she             
 concurs with previous testimony, and thinks SB 80 is a good bill.             
 She thinks SB 80 would serve the people as they wish to be served             
 and urges support of the bill.                                                
                                                                               
 Number 375                                                                    
                                                                               
 JUDY MORELEIN, testifying from Anchorage, also thinks the Hillside            
 Area is paying its' fair share, and does not think divisiveness is            
 an issue that should be continuously thrown into the argument.                
                                                                               
 SENATOR RANDY PHILLIPS asks if there is a position paper from the             
 Department of Public Safety.                                                  
                                                                               
 Number 405                                                                    
                                                                               
 DEL SMITH, Deputy Commissioner, Department of Public Safety (DPS),            
 states the administration is neutral on SB 80.  The governor does             
 not support SB 80; the governor has no position on the bill.  There         
 is no particular action required of DPS by SB 80 at this time,                
 which is why there is a zero fiscal note.  The department sees SB             
 80 as enabling legislation.  Mr. Smith informs the committee that             
 hiring, training, and placing troopers on the street can take up to           
 eighteen months.  So if there is a short time frame between when a            
 vote occurs and when the department is required to provide service            
 to an area, troopers would have to be withdrawn from other areas in           
 the state.  Mr. Smith asks that consideration be given to allowing            
 build-up time for beginning service.  Mr. Smith also asks for                 
 consideration of more wind-down time than 120 days if an area                 
 decides it no longer wants service.  The department would need more           
 time than that to absorb personnel through attrition throughout the           
 state.  He suggests approximately one year, because there are union           
 considerations, bargaining unit agreements, and redistribution of             
 personnel which must be taken into consideration.                             
                                                                               
 Number 435                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN SHARP asks if the troopers are currently providing service           
 to that area.                                                                 
                                                                               
 MR. DELL responds troopers are providing emergency service to the             
 Hillside area, but there are no routine patrols.                              
                                                                               
 Number 440                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR LEMAN asks if contracting with someone other than the                 
 troopers would be possible.  Could the Hillside area contract with            
 a private organization?                                                       
                                                                               
 Number 445                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. DELL is not sure if he has an adequate answer to that question,           
 but he has heard of some areas in California that contract for                
 security.  He states a private person can make arrests.  Mr. Dell             
 thinks there would probably be some problems with doing that, but             
 is not sure they would be insurmountable.                                     
                                                                               
 Number 450                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR LEMAN wonders if private contracting would meet the need              
 without creating an ongoing obligation of the State of Alaska.                
                                                                               
 MR. DELL reiterates the administration's neutrality, but says if              
 the department is directed to contract trooper services, they would           
 do so.                                                                        
                                                                               
 Number 464                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR DUNCAN notes some of the previous testimony stated there              
 were troopers available, and asks Mr. Dell to clarify whether DPS             
 would have to train additional troopers.                                      
                                                                               
 MR. DELL responds DPS does not have extra troopers.  It would take            
 14 to 18 months to recruit, screen, train, and place troopers on              
 the streets if Hillside elected trooper coverage.  If the                     
 department is required to place troopers in the Hillside area in 60           
 days or 90 days, those troopers will be pulled from other places              
 around the state.                                                             
 Number 475                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR DUNCAN asks what the time frame in SB 80 is for beginning             
 trooper services.                                                             
                                                                               
 MR. DELL replies he does not see a time frame in SB 80.  He is                
 concerned there is not a specific time frame in the legislation.              
 Mr. Dell restates it will take 14 to 18 months before the                     
 department would have troopers available to the Hillside area.                
                                                                               
 SENATOR DUNCAN comments the alternative would be for some other               
 area of the state to lose trooper service.                                    
                                                                               
 MR. DELL responds that is correct.                                            
                                                                               
 Number 489                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR DUNCAN asks Senator Rieger what time frame the bill                   
 addresses, or if there is another way to handle the time frame                
 issue.                                                                        
                                                                               
 SENATOR RIEGER replies he sees two ways the issue could be                    
 addressed: one, lengthen the time frames in the bill for both the             
 wind-up and wind-down time; or two, the level of service could be             
 implemented in stages.  Senator Rieger states he would be happy to            
 address the problem so that SB 80 is not a detriment to any other             
 area of the state.                                                            
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN SHARP adds he does not see any restrictions in SB 80 which           
 would preclude the commissioner of DPS from deciding when the                 
 department would be able to begin providing services.                         
                                                                               
 Number 514                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR DUNCAN asks how subsection (e) would affect the time frame.           
                                                                               
 SENATOR RIEGER responds subsection (e) applies to the payments, not           
 to deployment of personnel.  If there is concern over deployment of           
 personnel, that should be addressed before SB 80 reaches the floor.           
                                                                               
 Number 522                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR LEMAN makes a motion to discharge SB 80 from the Senate               
 State Affairs Committee with individual recommendations.                      
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN SHARP notes, contrary to some testimony, SB 80 will only             
 apply to unified municipalities; it would not be applicable to the            
 North Star Borough, the Denali Borough, or any other place.  The              
 only places where the bill would be applicable would be Juneau and            
 Anchorage.                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN SHARP, hearing no objection, orders SB 80 released from              
 committee with individual recommendations.                                    
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         SB  51 DISPOSITION OF PERMANENT FUND INCOME                         
                                                                               
 SENATOR SHARP brings up SB 51 as the next order of business before            
 the Senate State Affairs Committee and calls the first witness.               
                                                                               
 SENATOR RIEGER states a response on SB 51 from the Alaska Permanent           
 Fund Corporation has been provided to the committee.  The                     
 corporation takes a neutral position on the bill, other than                  
 stating they have always welcomed changes that enhance the                    
 corporation's ability to protect the principal of the fund.                   
                                                                               
 Number 543                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR LEMAN makes a motion to discharge SB 51 from the Senate               
 State Affairs Committee with individual recommendations.                      
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN SHARP, hearing no objection, orders SB 51 released from              
 committee with individual recommendations.                                    
 SSTA - 3/2/95                                                                 
             HCR  5 PEARL HARBOR REMEMBRANCE DAY                             
                                                                               
 SENATOR SHARP brings up HCR 5 as the next order of business before            
 the Senate State Affairs Committee and calls the first witness.               
                                                                               
 SENATOR DONLEY makes a motion to discharge HCR 5 from the Senate              
 State Affairs Committee with individual recommendations.                      
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN SHARP, hearing no objection, orders HCR 5 released from              
 committee with individual recommendations.                                    
 SSTA - 3/2/95                                                                 
                 HCR  8 WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH                                
                                                                               
 SENATOR SHARP brings up HCR 8 as the next order of business before            
 the Senate State Affairs Committee and calls the first witness.               
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE BETTYE DAVIS, prime sponsor of HCR 8, urges the                
 committee to discharge HCR 8 from committee.                                  
                                                                               
 SENATOR DONLEY makes a motion to discharge HCR 8 from the Senate              
 State Affairs Committee with individual recommendations.                      
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN SHARP, hearing no objection, orders HCR 8 released from              
 committee with individual recommendations.                                    
 SSTA - 3/2/95                                                                 
         HCR 11 SOBRIETY AWARENESS MONTH: MARCH 1995                         
                                                                               
 SENATOR SHARP brings up HCR 11 as the next order of business before           
 the Senate State Affairs Committee and calls the first witness.               
                                                                               
 Number 566                                                                    
                                                                               
 DEBORAH OSTENDORF, Aide to Representative Nicholia, prime sponsor             
 of HCR 11, states HCR 11 is a positive, proactive resolution which            
 was requested by AFN (Alaska Federation of Natives).  She brings to           
 the committee's attention the fact that the last "further resolved"           
 on page 2, asks the governor to issue a proclamation, but the                 
 proclamation has already been issued.                                         
                                                                               
 SENATOR LEMAN notes correcting that would slow the resolution down,           
 so...                                                                         
                                                                               
 TAPE 95-8, SIDE B                                                             
                                                                               
 SENATOR LEMAN...it would be better to send the resolution without             
 amending it.  He comments on the previous resolution before the               
 committee which named March as Women's History Month and assumes              
 there could be lots of different things for any particular month.             
 He asks who besides the particular groups become aware of these               
 resolutions, or if it just gives the groups the ability to                    
 advertise.                                                                    
                                                                               
 MS. OSTENDORF responds the resolutions give various groups the                
 ability to advertise.  AFN will be promoting HCR 11.                          
                                                                               
 Number 564                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR DONLEY makes a motion to discharge HCR 11 from the Senate             
 State Affairs Committee with individual recommendations.                      
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN SHARP, hearing no objection, orders HCR 11 released from             
 committee with individual recommendations.                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN SHARP adjourns the Senate State Affairs Committee meeting            
 at 4:25 p.m.                                                                  
                                                                               

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