Legislature(1995 - 1996)

02/22/1996 09:43 AM FIN

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                             MINUTES                                           
                    SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                   
                        22 February 1996                                       
                            9:43 A.M.                                          
  TAPES                                                                        
                                                                               
  SFC-96, #29, Sides 1 & 2                                                     
                                                                               
  CALL TO ORDER                                                                
                                                                               
  Senator  Rick Halford,  Co-chair,  convened the  meeting  at                 
  approximately 9:43 A.M.                                                      
                                                                               
  PRESENT                                                                      
  In addition  to Co-chairman  Halford, Co-chairman Frank  and                 
  Senators  Phillips,  Sharp,  Donley,  Rieger  were  present.                 
  Senator Zharoff arrived shortly thereafter                                   
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Also Attending:  Senator Drue  Pearce; Representative  Terry                 
  Martin and  aide Tom  Anderson; Diane  Shriner, Division  of                 
  Elections;  Larry Campbell,  University of Alaska  testified                 
  by  teleconference;  Sherman  Ernouf,  aide  to Senator  Tim                 
  Kelly; Mike Greany,  Director, Legislative Finance Division;                 
  and aides to committee members.                                              
                                                                               
  SUMMARY INFORMATION                                                          
                                                                               
       SENATE BILL NO. 239                                                     
       "An   Act   relating   to   telephone   advertisements,                 
  solicitations,      and directory listings."                                 
                                                                               
  Testimony  was given  by the  sponsor of  the bill,  Senator                 
  Steve Rieger.   Amendment #1, submitted  by the Senator  was                 
  MOVED  and FAILED ADOPTION.  Amendment  #2, submitted by the                 
  Senator  was  MOVED and  ADOPTED.    SCS  CSSB 239(FIN)  was                 
  REPORTED OUT with  zero fiscal note  from the Department  of                 
  Law.                                                                         
                                                                               
       SENATE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 31                                          
       Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the State                 
  of   Alaska  relating to  voter ratification  of legislative                 
  approval  of  amendments   of  the   Alaska  Statehood   Act                 
  affecting an   interest  of the State  of Alaska  under that                 
  Act.                                                                         
                                                                               
  Testimony was given by the sponsor of the bill, Senator Drue                 
  Pearce.    The  bill  was  HELD  in  committee  for  further                 
  discussion.                                                                  
                                                                               
       HOUSE BILL NO. 42                                                       
       "An  Act relating  to  absentee  voting, to  electronic                 
       transmission of  absentee ballot  applications, and  to                 
  delivery  of  ballots  to   absentee  ballot  applicants  by                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  electronic     transmission,  and  enacting a  definition of                 
  the term 'state     election'  for   purposes  of   absentee                 
  voting."                                                                     
                                                                               
  Testimony   was   given  by   the   sponsor  of   the  bill,                 
  Representative  Terry  Martin,  as  well  as his  aide,  Tom                 
  Anderson; and Diane  Shriner of  the Division of  Elections.                 
  It was MOVED by Senator Zharoff to add  "immediate effective                 
  date"  and APPROVED.  Without objection SCS CSHB 42(FIN) was                 
  REPORTED  OUT  with a  fiscal note  from  the Office  of the                 
  Governor, Division of Elections, $37.6.                                      
                                                                               
       SENATE BILL NO. 134                                                     
       "An Act  establishing an  endowment for  the Robert  B.                 
  Atwood    journalism  chair  at  the  University  of  Alaska                 
  Anchorage; and      providing for an effective date."                        
                                                                               
  Testimony was given  by Mr. Sherman Ernouf, aide  to Senator                 
  Tim Kelly, sponsor of the bill.  Mr. Larry Campbell from the                 
  University  of Alaska testified via teleconference.  Senator                 
  Phillips MOVED SB  134 and it  was REPORTED OUT with  Senate                 
  Finance Committee zero fiscal note.                                          
                                                                               
                                                                               
       SENATE BILL NO. 239                                                     
                                                                               
       "An   Act   relating   to   telephone   advertisements,                 
  solicitations,      and directory listings."                                 
                                                                               
  Testimony was  given by  the sponsor  of  the bill,  Senator                 
  Steve  Rieger.   He  advised  that  the bill  would  allow a                 
  residential telephone subscriber  to have a  notation placed                 
  in a directory expressing a desire to not  receive telephone                 
  solicitations.  With reference to  Amendment #1 the chairman                 
  of  Labor and Commerce Committee  requested the scope of the                 
  bill no longer  include opinion polls.   This would prohibit                 
  automated polling and interconnects with some Federal  laws.                 
  Reference was made to Amendment #2 and the Alaska  Telephone                 
  Association  requested  amendments put  in  by the  House be                 
  offered here to keep the two bills the same.  They felt they                 
  should not have out-of-pocket  costs to do this  notation in                 
  the directory.  This should be submitted and approved by the                 
  APUC as an extra charge.                                                     
                                                                               
  Senator  Phillips   wanted  to   know  what   triggered  the                 
  introduction of this bill.   Senator Rieger said that  there                 
  has been on-going  low level  complaints where everyone  has                 
  been bothered by calls and would like to have flexibility to                 
  control their lives a  little more and place that  notice in                 
  the directory.  It does not prohibit commercial solicitation                 
  but  rather  allows   an  individual  to  opt   to  prohibit                 
  solicitation to  themselves.   Senator Phillips  inquired if                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  this would extend  to U.S. mail.   Senator Frank noted  that                 
  some people have  "no soliciting" signs on  their mailbox or                 
  house.    Senator  Rieger further  explained  that  when the                 
  telephone rings one has no  idea if it is an  emergency call                 
  or something you do not want to answer.  It is reasonable to                 
  be able to  have some control because  sometimes these calls                 
  are very inconvenient and frustrating.   The unlisted number                 
  does not  prevent solicitation because  it is  not always  a                 
  case of using a phone book but rather a computer set of just                 
  telephone numbers provided in electronic format by the phone                 
  company to a  solicitor.    GCI requested an amendment  that                 
  they be allowed  to provide  no solicitation information  in                 
  the electronic format.                                                       
                                                                               
  Senator  Frank  asked  about  the  penalties and  the  costs                 
  allowed to be deducted by APUC.  Why would they have to have                 
  this  specifically   allowed  to  be  deducted   from  their                 
  expenses?  Senator  Rieger said this was a  specific request                 
  by  the   telephone  association  and  explained   how  they                 
  interpreted  it.  The extent of the costs would be clear and                 
  not be spread as part of  an overall residential rate.   The                 
  cost would be  borne by the one requesting the  service.  In                 
  regards to the  penalties there is  a section of the  Alaska                 
  Statutes   called  Unfair   Trade  Practices   and  Consumer                 
  Protection  and  this just  adds  to  a long  list  of items                 
  already included.                                                            
                                                                               
  Senator Sharp commented that this is different than the mail                 
  wherein  the  mail is  being  paid  for by  the  sender; the                 
  telephone is something an individual  pays for and therefore                 
  this  bill would  give the customer  some control  over what                 
  they  pay for  and who has  access to  use it for  their own                 
  commercial benefit.  Senator Sharp  elaborated as an example                 
  of the high number  of calls one might receive  between 5:00                 
  p.m. and 7:00  p.m. and that this is out of control.  He did                 
  note that charitable organizations  were excluded from  this                 
  bill.                                                                        
                                                                               
  Senator Phillips  discussed the deletion  of opinion polling                 
  and that it was also a form of solicitation.  Senator Rieger                 
  informed   the  committee   that  there  was   an  expressed                 
  permission  in  the   Federal  Law  permitting  computerized                 
  polling and also the  Telecommunications Act of 1991.    Co-                 
  chairman Halford wanted to know if this ruling under Federal                 
  Law would supercede any State law.   Senator Frank said that                 
  if that was the case our law would just be invalidated.                      
                                                                               
  Senator  Rieger  MOVED  amendment  #1  and  asked  unanimous                 
  consent.    Senator  Frank  asked  who  would  enforce  this                 
  amendment and felt  that if it  was contrary to Federal  Law                 
  then  they  should  be the  ones  to  enforce  it.   Senator                 
  Phillips reiterated the  fact that he opposes  the amendment                 
  because  if  people do  not want  to  be bothered  then they                 
  should  not  be   subject  to  any  form   of  solicitation.                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Amendment #1 FAILED adoption.                                                
                                                                               
  Senator  Rieger  MOVED  amendment  #2  and  asked  unanimous                 
  consent.    Without  objection  amendment  #2  was  ADOPTED.                 
  Senator Rieger MOVED SCS CSSB 239(FIN) and without objection                 
  it was REPORTED OUT with individual recommendations and zero                 
  fiscal notes from the  Department of Law and  the Department                 
  of Commerce and Economic Development.                                        
                                                                               
                                                                               
       SENATE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 31                                          
                                                                               
       Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the State                 
  of   Alaska relating  to voter  ratification of  legislative                 
  approval  of  amendments   of  the   Alaska  Statehood   Act                 
  affecting an   interest of  the State of  Alaska under  that                 
  Act.                                                                         
                                                                               
  Testimony  was  given  by  the  sponsor of  the  resolution,                 
  Senator Drue Pearce.   She referred  to a close  association                 
  with the Legislature last year in  working on the ANWR issue                 
  in attempting to get Congress to  make the right decision in                 
  opening   the   ANWR  to   oil  and   gas  leasing.     This                 
  constitutional  amendment   would  attempt  to   answer  any                 
  questions regarding what  has to happen in order  for Alaska                 
  to accept any amendment to the statehood compact.  There has                 
  to be some way that the action can be amended either through                 
  the legislature by law or through a vote of the people.  She                 
  referred to AS 01.10.110 and read it into the record.  There                 
  is concern  in the Legislature  and people around  the State                 
  that we should never allow just  the Legislature to accept a                 
  change; it should always go to a vote of the people.  SJR 31                 
  would  put  a constitutional  amendment  on the  ballot this                 
  November  that would  put in  our  constitution an  order to                 
  accept a  change to the Statehood Act.  It would only become                 
  effective after the Legislature  passed a resolution putting                 
  the question on  the ballot and a majority of  the people in                 
  the State had voted in the  affirmative.  She advised, after                 
  checking with the  drafter of  the resolution, the  language                 
  "qualified voters"  means voters  who actually  went to  the                 
  polls  and  not a  majority of  all  eligible voters  in the                 
  State.    Senator  Phillips wanted  to know  if there  was a                 
  better  way to phrase  this and Senator  Pearce advised that                 
  this was the standard language.  The key word is "qualified"                 
  which  means  that they  came  to  the election  and  voted.                 
  Senator Phillips expressed concern this was a constitutional                 
  amendment and care must be taken.  Senator Pearce  suggested                 
  Mr. Chenoweth could be contacted to see if there was clearer                 
  language.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Senator Rieger asked if there was discussion about  the word                 
  "legislates" on page 1, line 9.  Senator Pearce advised that                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  this was language changed by the Judiciary Committee and the                 
  chairman of  that committee  would have  to be  asked if  he                 
  discussed the  matter with  Mr. Chenoweth.   Senator  Rieger                 
  also  asked about  "affects  an  interest"  and if  that  is                 
  different from "altering an interest".   Senator Pearce said                 
  that the  "affects" language was  taken directly out  of the                 
  statehood compact and mirrors the language in AS 01.10.110.                  
                                                                               
  Senator  Frank said he  is also concerned  about the wording                 
  and  asked that if the  Legislature adopted a resolution and                 
  then it was ratified by a vote of the people, is that right?                 
  Senator Pearce said that it is the process set forth in this                 
  amendment.  Senator  Frank said that  it should be  reworded                 
  and the people of the State of Alaska should get to make the                 
  choice and then it  could be followed up with  a requirement                 
  that  a resolution has to be forwarded  to the people by the                 
  Legislature so that  it is clear.  If it was made more clear                 
  to  the  people it  would be  more  well supported  by them.                 
  Senator Pearce again  said that Mr. Chenoweth  could provide                 
  more comfortable language.   The  chairman of the  Judiciary                 
  Committee had an interest in putting something on the ballot                 
  without the  Legislature ever  acting like  it affirmed  the                 
  action.    But   the  Legislature   will  always  have   the                 
  responsibility to put  the question on  the ballot.  If  the                 
  Legislature does not then they have turned down an amendment                 
  without  the  people ever  voting on  it.   People  would be                 
  pleased that  they  had the  opportunity  to vote  before  a                 
  change could be accepted.                                                    
                                                                               
  Senator  Donley  said  he  did not  know  how  the judiciary                 
  language  would  work.     Senator  Pearce  said   that  the                 
  Legislature has to pass a resolution  to put the question on                 
  the ballot.   Discussion between Senator Pearce  and Senator                 
  Donley followed regarding  two-thirds and majority  vote for                 
  passage  of the joint resolution.   Senator Pearce said that                 
  it was her  intent that if the Legislature  chose not to put                 
  the  question on  the ballot  then the  Legislature  has not                 
  accepted the change.   Senator Donley commented  that if the                 
  question  is put on the ballot  it has to be  in the form of                 
  the affirmative.   The Legislature  has to act  to give  its                 
  approval.  Further  discussion followed regarding  what form                 
  could be used to  put the amendment on the  ballot.  Senator                 
  Donley  felt  the  question should  be  posed  in a  neutral                 
  manner.   Senator Pearce further  advised that she  has been                 
  told by  her  caucus that  Alaskans  will never  accept  any                 
  change regarding the state compact  act and Senator Phillips                 
  concurred.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Senator  Rieger asked  if there would  be a  situation where                 
  there might  be a ratification  of a proposed  change before                 
  there is a law enacted by Congress.   Senator Pearce said no                 
  because the statehood  compact is a  Federal document.   The                 
  State cannot amend  it.  Only Congress  can.  We want  to be                 
  able to assert our right to deny their changes.  There would                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  be no question to put before the people if Congress acted on                 
  something before the Legislature passed it.  The Legislature                 
  can always ask the Congress to do something they ask without                 
  the vote of people.                                                          
                                                                               
  Co-chairman  Halford asked  if there  were a  hurry to  make                 
  something effective is the limitation  to a general election                 
  something necessary?   Senator Pearce  said perhaps not  and                 
  that leeway should  be given to include a  special election.                 
  Co-chairman  Halford  believed  that "at  the  next  general                 
  election" could be deleted and  it would essentially then be                 
  a  "general or special  election" and would  still require a                 
  majority of the registered voters voting on the question.                    
                                                                               
  Senator Zharoff wanted  to know if this  was consistent with                 
  other  states  and Senator  Pearce said  there may  be other                 
  states  that  have  had  court  suits over  their  statehood                 
  compacts.   Senator Zharoff asked at what point does Federal                 
  law supercede State  law?  Senator Pearce said that Congress                 
  does not have  the power to  supercede our compact with  the                 
  Federal government.   The compact called  for a vote of  the                 
  people of Alaska before  it was accepted.  From  the compact                 
  case whether or not the Feds can  do something to us without                 
  our approval is  the whole point.   Congress said they  have                 
  superceded in many cases and it's  their law.  She indicated                 
  she would  be willing  to work  with those  members and  Mr.                 
  Chenoweth who have  brought up questions  regarding specific                 
  language and  try to  clarify them.   Senator Phillips  said                 
  that  he   generally  agreed   with  the   intent  of   this                 
  constitutional  amendment.    In  1958  the  voters  in  the                 
  territory of Alaska  approved the statehood compact  act and                 
  it would take the  voters to undo it, not us.   In this case                 
  the voters have absolute jurisdiction.                                       
                                                                               
  Co-chairman    Halford  will    HOLD  SJR  31   for  further                 
  discussion and asked Senator Pearce for a proposed CS.                       
                                                                               
                                                                               
       HOUSE BILL NO. 42                                                       
                                                                               
       "An  Act  relating to  absentee  voting,  to electronic                 
       transmission of  absentee ballot  applications, and  to                 
  delivery  of  ballots  to  absentee  ballot  applicants   by                 
  electronic     transmission,  and  enacting a  definition of                 
  the term 'state     election'  for   purposes  of   absentee                 
  voting."                                                                     
                                                                               
  Testimony was given by Representative  Terry Martin, sponsor                 
  of the bill.   He stated the intent of  his bill is to  make                 
  use of modern  technology in  order to get  people to  vote.                 
  Alaska  is  the largest  state  in  the union  and  has many                 
  travellers in a  given day.   Many of them may  unexpectedly                 
  have to leave with the intent to vote on election day but at                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  the last minute,  due to some emergency some normal everyday                 
  unexpected things  happen and one  finds they want  to vote.                 
  Approximately ten  states participate in  electronic voting.                 
  During the Gulf  War Alaska  accepted over 200  applications                 
  from Alascom  personnel and  military personnel.   The  U.S.                 
  Justice Department on behalf of  the U.S. Defense Department                 
  upgraded the rules  where military people could  have access                 
  to  voting by electronic means.   Alascom, which are leaders                 
  in  their  field,  helped work  out  the  system nation-wide                 
  giving military people  the right to  vote.  Before we  were                 
  only talking  about fax  and now  the Division  of Elections                 
  wants  other electronic means  because it  is all  moving so                 
  fast with e-mail, cc  mail and internet.  It is  so easy and                 
  so quick to get people the right to vote.                                    
                                                                               
  Senator Phillips inquired as to how  it would be enforced to                 
  keep people from cheating.   Representative Martin indicated                 
  that it would now be more difficult for  someone to cheat by                 
  electronic mail.  They have to request to vote at least four                 
  days in advance;  they have to  be identified in the  office                 
  before a  ballot is even sent out to  them.  The Division of                 
  Election still worries  about people walking into  the local                 
  precincts  who  are  not clearly  identified  all  the time.                 
  There will be more screening on the individual now.  Senator                 
  Phillips  posed  a hypothetical  case  for voting  in April.                 
  Representative  Martin  said that  this  bill would  allow a                 
  request  to the city  clerks' office for  an absentee ballot                 
  within four days of the election.  This can be done by mail,                 
  fax  or e-mail.   A ballot would  be returned  for where the                 
  individual is  qualified for.     It  is all  taken care  of                 
  electronically.   It began with fax but they did not want to                 
  limit  it because  now  there  are  so  many  quicker  ways;                 
  internet, e-mail, cc mail.                                                   
                                                                               
  Mr.  Tom  Anderson,  aide  to Representative  Terry  Martin,                 
  advised that one  could use mail or  electronic transmission                 
  at any stage as long as the  seven-day rule for mail and the                 
  four-day rule for  electronic transmission  is abided by  in                 
  terms of applying for the ballot.  Senator Phillips asked if                 
  this could  be done  twice and  Representative Terry  Miller                 
  advised that  this is very  well scrutinized.   All absentee                 
  ballots  are kept  in a  separate area.   There is  always a                 
  cross  reference.    Absentees  are  checked  out  by  voter                 
  registration number, precinct  and district.  They  get only                 
  one vote.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Senator Donley wanted to  know how it was verified  that the                 
  person who faxed  or transmitted  the vote in  was the  same                 
  person who  was sent  the absentee  ballot.   Representative                 
  Martin   said   that   verification  is   first,   by  voter                 
  registration number.  That  is the same number that  is sent                 
  out to you when you request the ballot.  Second, that number                 
  is your  code number to come back in.  It could also be done                 
  by signature.   The department if very conscientious.   That                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  is part of the  reason for the fiscal note of  $38,000 so an                 
  individual can be trained in electronic means and the method                 
  can  be double-checked.   There will  be more  scrutiny than                 
  walk-ins. Mr. Anderson  stated the Division of  Elections is                 
  still  formulating  at  what  level  they will  operate  the                 
  electronically transmitted  reception.   There  will be  one                 
  person, hence the fiscal  note, and they will be  located in                 
  Juneau.    They  will  adopt   procedures  that  will  allow                 
  transmission by fax only, by computer  or a cc mail version.                 
  It will  all be  matched by  code, voter  ID and  signature.                 
  Senator Donley asked  about the  two witnesses for  absentee                 
  ballots  and  how would  this  work.   Representative Martin                 
  advised that the same would still apply.                                     
                                                                               
  Senator Zharoff stated that after  faxing in ones tabulation                 
  the  hard  copy then  could  be mailed  in.   Representative                 
  Martin said that  it could be done but at this time the most                 
  important thing  is  that the  electronic  ballot be  in  by                 
  election  night.  Mr. Anderson  further advised that this is                 
  not a substitute for absentee voting  nor is it a substitute                 
  for voting.  Hopefully people could mail in a timely fashion                 
  however, there are  numerous problems  that could occur  and                 
  this is merely an option.                                                    
                                                                               
  Diane Shriner, Division  of Elections,  was invited to  join                 
  the committee.   The Division does  not stand in support  or                 
  opposition to this bill.   She explained that when  the bill                 
  was first introduced electronic transmission  was limited to                 
  fax.  It  was requested that  the Department of Law  clarify                 
  the term  "electronic transmission".   There  is no  problem                 
  requesting  ballots  by cc  mail,  electronic mail  or other                 
  modern means, but  the witnessing  and certification of  the                 
  ballot is important.   It may not be possible  at this point                 
  to  provide  that  verification  by  cc mail.    Co-chairman                 
  Halford asked if  this was in  regards to the actual  voting                 
  and not in getting the ballot.   Mrs. Shriner indicated that                 
  their understanding was that  the vote would be made  by fax                 
  machine.  She  also referred to  the waiver of some  secrecy                 
  but indicated they would still try to protect the voter.                     
                                                                               
  Senator Phillips related a hypothetical  case.  Mrs. Shriner                 
  advised  that  they would  provide instructions  on anything                 
  sent that could  be returned by  fax that the person  should                 
  provide us with,  information on how  to reach them and  the                 
  person  should   wait  for   and  receive   the  notice   of                 
  transmission.  Senator  Phillips asked what would  happen in                 
  the case of a  power outage. Mrs.  Shriner said it could  be                 
  checked with other states using this method and see how they                 
  were handling it.  She will  research the matter and provide                 
  a report back to the committee. Co-chairman Halford and Mrs.                 
  Shriner discussed  regulatory authority  to come  up with  a                 
  system designed to  provide security using e-mail  and other                 
  computer transmissions.   At present  the fax machine  meets                 
  all security criteria.                                                       
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Senator  Zharoff  asked  how it  would  be  determined which                 
  ballot would be valid if a person voted more than one  time.                 
  Mrs. Shriner advised that this matter was covered by statute                 
  and there is a  process for dealing with duplicate  ballots.                 
  Senator Zharoff discussed  amending the  bill to include  an                 
  immediate effective date.  Senator Donley  would rather  the                 
  department have  enough time  to set  up proper  procedures.                 
  Co-chairman  Halford comments on  regulations.  Tom Anderson                 
  advised that Representative Martin's intent  was to get this                 
  into effect as  soon as possible.   Senator Donley indicated                 
  that there  was  no specific  time frame  indicated and  the                 
  division should  be allowed some flexibility in  case of any                 
  problems.  Co-chairman Halford  advised that if the bill  is                 
  left without  an effective date  it will take  effect ninety                 
  days  after signature.  That would still  be in time for the                 
  primary election.  Senator Zharoff felt that there  would be                 
  less confusion if there were an  effective date on the bill.                 
  Senator Zharoff  MOVED  to  amend the  bill  to  include  an                 
  effective  date.    Mr. Anderson  agreed  to  the amendment.                 
  Without objection the amendment to include an effective date                 
  was ADOPTED.                                                                 
                                                                               
  Senator Sharp  MOVED S  CSHB 42(FIN)  out of  committee with                 
  individual recommendations and accompanying  fiscal note and                 
  without  objection  it  was  REPORTED  OUT  with  individual                 
  recommendations and accompanying  fiscal note of  $37.6 from                 
  the Division of Elections.                                                   
                                                                               
                                                                               
       SENATE BILL NO. 134                                                     
                                                                               
       "An Act  establishing an  endowment for  the Robert  B.                 
  Atwood    journalism  chair  at  the  University  of  Alaska                 
  Anchorage; and      providing for an effective date."                        
                                                                               
  Testimony was given by Mr.  Sherman Ernouf, aide to  Senator                 
  Tim Kelly,  sponsor of the bill.   Bob Atwood's contribution                 
  to the  State of Alaska and the  community is immense.  This                 
  legislation would honor  him by  establishing the Robert  B.                 
  Atwood  journalism  chair  at   the  University  of   Alaska                 
  Anchorage.  This  chair has been  in existence for the  past                 
  fifteen years  through generous contributions by  Mr. Atwood                 
  which total more than $1 million.   Through this endowment a                 
  mechanism  will  be  set  up for  both  public  and  private                 
  entities   to  match   contributions  from  Mr.   Atwood  to                 
  permanently fund the chair.                                                  
                                                                               
  Co-chairman Halford said that in  prior discussions with the                 
  sponsor basically he  wanted the  bill to  be considered  to                 
  establish the chair regardless of whether or not  any fiscal                 
  note were added.   He  noted that the  University came  back                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  with a $2 million fiscal note.                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Testimony was given by Larry Campbell from the University of                 
  Alaska Anchorage  via teleconference.   He  re-iterated that                 
  the chair was supported  by Bob Atwood for the  past fifteen                 
  years in the  approximate amount  of $1.5 million.   It  has                 
  been an advantage  and benefit to communication  students in                 
  the University of Alaska  system.  It has brought  to Alaska                 
  prominent, nationally known, professional communicators from                 
  all over the lower '48.   It is proposed that the State  and                 
  Bob Atwood join in partnership  with a final endowment  from                 
  himself  to  establish  this  in  perpetuity.    This  is an                 
  investment as well as an  improvement in mass communications                 
  in  the State  of Alaska;  journalism  students, advertising                 
  students, public relations  students and broadcast  students                 
  have  benefited   from  the  visiting  professors   here  in                 
  Anchorage.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Senator Donley asked about authorization  of the fiscal note                 
  from the University.   Co-chairman  Halford said the  fiscal                 
  note would not  be considered at this time.   The passage of                 
  this bill will just allow the  board of regents to establish                 
  the chair.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Senator  Phillips MOVED  SB  134 without  fiscal  note.   No                 
  objection being heard  SB 134 was REPORTED OUT  of committee                 
  with  individual  recommendations  and  Senate Finance  zero                 
  fiscal note.                                                                 
                                                                               
  ADJOURNMENT                                                                  
                                                                               
  The meeting was adjourned at approximately 11:00 A.M.                        
                                                                               

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