Legislature(1995 - 1996)

05/06/1995 08:30 AM FIN

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                     HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                   
                           MAY 6, 1995                                         
                            8:30 A.M.                                          
                                                                               
  TAPE HFC 95 - 114, Side 2, #000 - end.                                       
  TAPE HFC 95 - 115, Side 1, #000 - #146.                                      
                                                                               
  CALL TO ORDER                                                                
                                                                               
  Co-Chair  Mark Hanley  called  the  House Finance  Committee                 
  meeting to order at 8:30 A.M.                                                
                                                                               
  PRESENT                                                                      
                                                                               
  Co-Chair Hanley               Representative Kohring                         
  Co-Chair Foster               Representative Martin                          
  Representative Mulder         Representative Kelly                           
  Representative Brown          Representative Parnell                         
  Representative Grussendorf    Representative Therriault                      
                                                                               
  Representative Navarre was not present for the meeting.                      
                                                                               
  ALSO PRESENT                                                                 
                                                                               
  Marilyn  May,  (Testified  via   teleconference),  Assistant                 
  Attorney  General,  Department  of  Law, Anchorage;  Stewart                 
  Hall,  Office of  the Ombudsman;  Glenda  Straube, Director,                 
  Child Support Enforcement Division, Department of Revenue.                   
                                                                               
  SUMMARY                                                                      
                                                                               
  SB 115    An    Act    relating   to    the   establishment,                 
            modification,  and  enforcement of  support orders                 
            and the  determination of parentage  in situations                 
            involving  more  than one  state;  amending Alaska                 
            Rule of Administration 9; amending Alaska Rules of                 
            Civil Procedure 79  and 82;  and providing for  an                 
            effective date.                                                    
                                                                               
            SB  115  was   HELD  in   Committee  for   further                 
            consideration.                                                     
                                                                               
  SB 130    An  Act relating to marine pilots and the Board of                 
            Marine Pilots; extending  the termination date  of                 
            the Board of  Marine Pilots; and providing  for an                 
            effective date.                                                    
                                                                               
            CS SB 130 (RLS) was reported out of Committee with                 
            a "do pass" recommendation and  with a fiscal note                 
            by  the  Department   of  Commerce  and   Economic                 
                                                                               
                                1                                              
                                                                               
                                                                               
            Development dated 4/19/95.                                         
  SENATE BILL 130                                                              
                                                                               
       "An Act  relating to  marine pilots  and  the Board  of                 
       Marine  Pilots; extending  the termination date  of the                 
       Board of Marine Pilots; and  providing for an effective                 
       date."                                                                  
                                                                               
  Representative Mulder MOVED to report CS SB 130 (RLS) out of                 
  Committee  with  individual  recommendations  and  with  the                 
  accompanying fiscal note.  There being NO OBJECTIONS, it was                 
  so ordered.                                                                  
                                                                               
  CS  SB 130  (RLS) was reported  out of Committee  with a "do                 
  pass"  recommendation  and   with  a  fiscal  note   by  the                 
  Department of Commerce and Economic Development.                             
  SENATE BILL 115                                                              
                                                                               
       "An  Act relating  to the  establishment, modification,                 
       and enforcement of support orders and the determination                 
       of parentage  in  situations involving  more  than  one                 
       state;  amending  Alaska   Rule  of  Administration  9;                 
       amending Alaska Rules of Civil Procedure 79 and 82; and                 
       providing for an effective date."                                       
                                                                               
  STEWART  HALL, OFFICE OF THE  OMBUDSMAN, spoke in support of                 
  SB 115.   He stated that passage of the bill would help many                 
  people who have sought help  through the Ombudsman's Office.                 
  He  summarized  that  enactment  of  the  legislation  would                 
  streamline the  process by providing  speedier collection of                 
  payments.  He urged favorable consideration of the bill.                     
                                                                               
  GLENDA   STRAUBE,   DIRECTOR,   CHILD  SUPPORT   ENFORCEMENT                 
  DIVISION, DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE, explained that the proposed                 
  bill  was  two  bills  rolled  into  one.   The  first  bill                 
  addresses the Uniform Interstate  Family Support Act (UIFSA)                 
  which  would  eliminate  the  multiple  order system.    She                 
  commented that the current system is unfair and difficult to                 
  manage.   The legislation  would  establish one  continuing,                 
  exclusive jurisdiction and determination would be defined in                 
  that  legislation.    This  was  written  from  the  federal                 
  guidelines and has been implemented by other states.                         
                                                                               
  Ms. Straube pointed  out that 44%  of the agency's  caseload                 
  involves  inter-state cases.    Once  another state  becomes                 
  involved,  the  situation  becomes  complicated  because  of                 
  individual state laws.                                                       
  The legislation would also generate additional collection of                 
  $340  thousand  per year  of  the  State's share  of  Alaska                 
  Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) reimbursements.                      
                                                                               
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  Ms. Straube continued, the second  portion of the bill would                 
  result in  the administrative paternity establishment.   New                 
  federal guidelines  require that  75% of  all child  support                 
  orders  must be  established within  six months.   She noted                 
  that unfortunately, to  establish orders, paternity  must be                 
  established.    The legislation  would  allow administrative                 
  establishment of  paternity, at  the same  time providing  a                 
  "due process".    Without the  legislation  passed,  federal                 
  timeliness will not  be met.   Ms. Straube pointed out  that                 
  the  Senate Finance  Committee  amended the  legislation  in                 
  order to create  a "disestablishment" of paternity  and that                 
  the Department is concerned about that change.                               
                                                                               
  Representative Parnell asked if other state exemptions would                 
  be recognized for garnishment by Alaska.                                     
                                                                               
  MARILYN  MAY,  (TESTIFIED  VIA   TELECONFERENCE),  ASSISTANT                 
  ATTORNEY GENERAL,  DEPARTMENT OF  LAW, ANCHORAGE,  responded                 
  that  the  statute   provides  that   in  a  direct   income                 
  withholding situation, the  employer should treat the  order                 
  which  came  from another  state  as  if it  came  from that                 
  specific state.  She commented that  in Alaska, there are no                 
  exemptions for child support.                                                
                                                                               
  Representative Parnell noted that a percentage of the annual                 
  income would be  used to determine the amount  available for                 
  garnishment.   He questioned  the concern  that the  current                 
  Administration has with the "disestablishment" of paternity.                 
  Ms.  Straube  noted that  genetic  testing is  currently not                 
  required, consequently, the State would be looking at places                 
  of paternity not  yet established by  the courts.  She  said                 
  that the  State could be  faced with  people who had  done a                 
  voluntarily  acknowledgement,  following  with  the  default                 
  claimed.                                                                     
                                                                               
  Discussion followed between Representative  Parnell, Ms. May                 
  and Ms. Straube regarding the disestablishment of paternity.                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Representative Martin asked  what was being repealed  in the                 
  legislation.  Ms. May stated that  Chapter 25 is the Uniform                 
  Reciprocal Enforcement Support  Act (URESA)  and that it  is                 
  the precursor to  Uniform Law  encompassed in SB  115.   She                 
  continued, previous to  that law, the URESA was  the uniform                 
  law enacted by all the States.                                               
                                                                               
  Ms. Straube noted  that modification  occurs when there  has                 
  been  a   significant  change  either  way.     In  the  new                 
  legislation, modification will be taken from the moment that                 
  all parties  have served  and notified  that the  process is                 
  occurring.  Retroactive modification will not allow a person                 
                                                                               
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  to go back before filing.  Ms.  Straube concluded that it is                 
  a federal  mandate to  allow people  to file  modifications.                 
  There are no costs associated with filing a modification.                    
                                                                               
  Representative Martin asked why the modification request was                 
  being made.   Ms.  Straube advised  that the  Senate Finance                 
  Committee  added  that  portion  of  the bill  and  that  it                 
  addresses "disestablishment" of paternity.  Ms. May directed                 
  that the purpose  of that aspect  of the legislation was  to                 
  allow the person  who disestablishes not  to be required  to                 
  pay arrearage.                                                               
                                                                               
  Representative  Brown  asked  if  all  the  civil  rules  of                 
  procedural  changes  would  relate  to  disestablishment  of                 
  paternity.   Ms. May stated that they are not all related to                 
  disestablishment.  She  responded to Representative  Brown's                 
  question regarding  how the rule  was changed.   She  stated                 
  that  under the  legislation, if  an  obligee prevails  in a                 
  matter before the  court, the obligor may be assessed costs;                 
  if an obligor prevails, the court may not assess fees, costs                 
  or expenses against the obligee.                                             
                                                                               
  Representative  Parnell asked if  a requirement  exists that                 
  the father  be informed  of his  right to  file a  paternity                 
  suit.  Ms. Straube  explained that the father would  need to                 
  respond   within    thirty   days   regarding    the   suit.                 
  Representative Parnell asked if the same circumstances would                 
  exist with the Notice  of Repeal.  Ms. Straube  replied that                 
  when the father is notified that  they have lost the appeal,                 
  they are then notified that they  have the right to judicial                 
  review.                                                                      
                                                                               
  Representative    Parnell    examined    that   one    could                 
  administratively   start   proceedings   to  determine   the                 
  paternity  of the  child,  although at  the  same time,  the                 
  legislation would not allow the father to disestablish their                 
  paternity  obligation  through  the  courts.    Ms.  Straube                 
  explained that portion had  not been a part of  the original                 
  legislation,  although,   now  that  it   is  included,  the                 
  Department  is not  testifying  to  have  it removed.    She                 
  commented that the  issue in regards to  disestablishment is                 
  far bigger.  In order to establish paternity, the court will                 
  look at two concerns:                                                        
                                                                               
       1.   Does the genetic test prove a 95% or better chance                 
            who the father is; or                                              
                                                                               
       2.   Has    the    father    provided    a    voluntary                 
            acknowledgment.                                                    
                                                                               
  If   either  circumstance  has   occurred,  that  person  is                 
  adjudicated to be the father.                                                
                                                                               
                                4                                              
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Representative  Parnell  asked  the  fiscal  impact  of  the                 
  "disestablishment" section of the bill.   Ms. Straube stated                 
  that it  will affect  the  Department and  that effect  will                 
  depend on the "run" resulting from  the action.  She thought                 
  that  there  would  be  many  more requests  then  currently                 
  exists.                                                                      
                                                                               
  Ms.  Straube  commented   that  the   courts  do  not   have                 
  established standards.   They  look at  the entire  picture.                 
  She felt that it would be  a lot of power delegated to  that                 
  agency.                                                                      
                                                                               
  Representative  Brown  MOVED  to  adopt   to  Amendment  #1.                 
  [Attachment   #1].      Representative    Mulder   OBJECTED.                 
  Representative  Parnell  thought  that  the amendment  would                 
  establish a system which  could disestablish paternity, then                 
  granting  the   agency  authority  to   create  regulations.                 
  Representative Mulder remarked that  the amendment would add                 
  additional unnecessary laws on the books.                                    
                                                                               
  Representative  Grussendorf  pointed   out  the   tremendous                 
  expense to the Department in establishing the paternity of a                 
  child.      He   spoke   in   support  of   the   amendment.                 
  Representative  Parnell  pointed out  that  the cost  of the                 
  genetic testing would be assessed  against the petitioner if                 
  paternity was established.                                                   
                                                                               
  Ms. Straube spoke  to the tremendous costs  currently within                 
  the  Department.  She  added that punitive  fathers have the                 
  right  at  all  times  to  go  to  court  to "disestablish".                 
  Representative Mulder  countered the tremendous  expense "to                 
  go" to court.                                                                
                                                                               
  (Tape Change, HFC 95-115, Side 1).                                           
                                                                               
  Representative   Brown  asked  if   the  Division   had  fee                 
  establishing authority.  Ms. Straube noted that they do have                 
  it for genetic  testing.   Representative Brown stated  that                 
  agencies do not have the authority to establish fees  unless                 
  the   Legislature  provides   that  authority.     She  then                 
  questioned the legal recourse that  an adoptive parent would                 
  have.    Ms.  Straube stated  that  the  Senate provided  an                 
  amendment   on  Page  30,   Line  30,   stating:  "...unless                 
  established  by   court"  which  would   specifically  cover                 
  adoption paternity concern.                                                  
                                                                               
  A roll call was taken on the MOTION to adopt Amendment #1.                   
                                                                               
       IN FAVOR:      Brown, Grussendorf                                       
       OPPOSED:       Parnell,  Therriault,   Kelly,  Kohring,                 
                      Martin, Mulder, Foster                                   
                                                                               
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  Representatives Navarre and Hanley were  not present for the                 
  vote.                                                                        
                                                                               
  The MOTION FAILED (2-7).                                                     
                                                                               
  Representative Therriault distributed and  briefly discussed                 
  an amendment provided to the Committee as drafted by Senator                 
  Rieger.  [Attachment #2].                                                    
                                                                               
  CS  SB  115   (FIN)  was  HELD  in   Committee  for  further                 
  discussion.                                                                  
  ADJOURNMENT                                                                  
                                                                               
  The meeting adjourned at 10:00 A.M.                                          
                                                                               
                                                                               
                     HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                   
                           MAY 6, 1995                                         
                            8:30 A.M.                                          
                                                                               
  TAPE HFC 95 - 114, Side 2, #000 - end.                                       
  TAPE HFC 95 - 115, Side 1, #000 - #146.                                      
                                                                               
  CALL TO ORDER                                                                
                                                                               
  Co-Chair  Mark  Hanley called  the  House  Finance Committee                 
  meeting to order at 8:30 A.M.                                                
                                                                               
  PRESENT                                                                      
                                                                               
  Co-Chair Hanley               Representative Kohring                         
  Co-Chair Foster               Representative Martin                          
  Representative Mulder         Representative Kelly                           
  Representative Brown          Representative Parnell                         
  Representative Grussendorf    Representative Therriault                      
                                                                               
  Representative Navarre was not present for the meeting.                      
                                                                               
  ALSO PRESENT                                                                 
                                                                               
  Marilyn  May,  (Testified  via   teleconference),  Assistant                 
  Attorney General,  Department  of  Law,  Anchorage;  Stewart                 
  Hall,  Office of  the Ombudsman;  Glenda Straube,  Director,                 
  Child Support Enforcement Division, Department of Revenue.                   
                                                                               
  SUMMARY                                                                      
                                                                               
  SB 115    An    Act    relating   to    the   establishment,                 
            modification,  and  enforcement of  support orders                 
            and the determination  of parentage in  situations                 
                                                                               
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            involving  more  than one  state;  amending Alaska                 
            Rule of Administration 9; amending Alaska Rules of                 
            Civil Procedure 79  and 82;  and providing for  an                 
            effective date.                                                    
                                                                               
            SB   115  was   HELD  in  Committee   for  further                 
            consideration.                                                     
                                                                               
  SB 130    An  Act relating to marine pilots and the Board of                 
            Marine Pilots; extending  the termination date  of                 
            the Board of  Marine Pilots; and providing  for an                 
            effective date.                                                    
                                                                               
            CS SB 130 (RLS) was reported out of Committee with                 
            a "do pass" recommendation and  with a fiscal note                 
            by  the  Department   of  Commerce  and   Economic                 
            Development dated 4/19/95.                                         
                                                                               
  SENATE BILL 130                                                              
                                                                               
       "An Act  relating  to marine  pilots and  the Board  of                 
       Marine Pilots;  extending the  termination date of  the                 
       Board of Marine Pilots; and  providing for an effective                 
       date."                                                                  
                                                                               
  Representative Mulder MOVED to report CS SB 130 (RLS) out of                 
  Committee  with  individual  recommendations  and  with  the                 
  accompanying fiscal note.  There being NO OBJECTIONS, it was                 
  so ordered.                                                                  
                                                                               
  CS SB  130 (RLS) was  reported out of  Committee with a  "do                 
  pass"  recommendation  and   with  a  fiscal  note   by  the                 
  Department of Commerce and Economic Development.                             
                                                                               
  SENATE BILL 115                                                              
                                                                               
       "An Act  relating to  the establishment,  modification,                 
       and enforcement of support orders and the determination                 
       of  parentage in  situations  involving more  than  one                 
       state;  amending  Alaska  Rule   of  Administration  9;                 
       amending Alaska Rules of Civil Procedure 79 and 82; and                 
       providing for an effective date."                                       
                                                                               
  STEWART  HALL, OFFICE OF THE OMBUDSMAN,  spoke in support of                 
  SB 115.  He stated that passage of the bill would  help many                 
  people who have sought help  through the Ombudsman's Office.                 
  He  summarized  that  enactment  of  the  legislation  would                 
  streamline the process  by providing speedier  collection of                 
  payments.  He urged favorable consideration of the bill.                     
                                                                               
  GLENDA   STRAUBE,   DIRECTOR,   CHILD  SUPPORT   ENFORCEMENT                 
  DIVISION, DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE, explained that the proposed                 
                                                                               
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  bill  was  two  bills  rolled  into  one.   The  first  bill                 
  addresses the Uniform Interstate Family Support  Act (UIFSA)                 
  which  would  eliminate  the  multiple  order system.    She                 
  commented that the current system is unfair and difficult to                 
  manage.   The  legislation would  establish one  continuing,                 
  exclusive jurisdiction and determination would be defined in                 
  that  legislation.    This  was  written  from  the  federal                 
  guidelines and has been implemented by other states.                         
                                                                               
  Ms. Straube pointed  out that 44%  of the agency's  caseload                 
  involves  inter-state cases.    Once another  state  becomes                 
  involved,  the  situation  becomes  complicated  because  of                 
  individual state laws.                                                       
  The legislation would also generate additional collection of                 
  $340  thousand  per year  of  the  State's share  of  Alaska                 
  Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) reimbursements.                      
                                                                               
  Ms.  Straube continued, the second portion of the bill would                 
  result in  the administrative paternity establishment.   New                 
  federal guidelines  require that  75% of  all child  support                 
  orders  must be established  within six  months.   She noted                 
  that unfortunately, to establish  orders, paternity must  be                 
  established.   The  legislation  would allow  administrative                 
  establishment of  paternity, at  the same  time providing  a                 
  "due  process".   Without  the legislation  passed,  federal                 
  timeliness will not  be met.   Ms. Straube pointed out  that                 
  the  Senate  Finance Committee  amended  the legislation  in                 
  order to create  a "disestablishment" of paternity  and that                 
  the Department is concerned about that change.                               
                                                                               
  Representative Parnell asked if other state exemptions would                 
  be recognized for garnishment by Alaska.                                     
                                                                               
  MARILYN  MAY,  (TESTIFIED  VIA   TELECONFERENCE),  ASSISTANT                 
  ATTORNEY GENERAL,  DEPARTMENT OF  LAW, ANCHORAGE,  responded                 
  that  the  statute   provides  that   in  a  direct   income                 
  withholding  situation, the employer  should treat the order                 
  which  came  from another  state  as  if it  came  from that                 
  specific state.  She commented that  in Alaska, there are no                 
  exemptions for child support.                                                
                                                                               
  Representative Parnell noted that a percentage of the annual                 
  income would be used  to determine the amount  available for                 
  garnishment.   He questioned  the concern  that the  current                 
  Administration has with the "disestablishment" of paternity.                 
  Ms.  Straube  noted that  genetic  testing is  currently not                 
  required, consequently, the State would be looking at places                 
  of paternity not  yet established by  the courts.  She  said                 
  that the State  could be  faced with people  who had done  a                 
  voluntarily  acknowledgement,  following  with  the  default                 
  claimed.                                                                     
                                                                               
                                                                               
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  Discussion followed between Representative  Parnell, Ms. May                 
  and Ms. Straube regarding the disestablishment of paternity.                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Representative Martin asked  what was being repealed  in the                 
  legislation.  Ms. May stated that  Chapter 25 is the Uniform                 
  Reciprocal Enforcement Support  Act (URESA)  and that it  is                 
  the precursor to  Uniform Law  encompassed in SB  115.   She                 
  continued, previous to  that law, the URESA was  the uniform                 
  law enacted by all the States.                                               
                                                                               
  Ms. Straube noted  that modification  occurs when there  has                 
  been  a   significant  change  either  way.     In  the  new                 
  legislation, modification will be taken from the moment that                 
  all parties  have served  and notified  that the  process is                 
  occurring.  Retroactive modification will not allow a person                 
  to go back before filing.   Ms. Straube concluded that it is                 
  a federal  mandate to  allow people  to file  modifications.                 
  There are no costs associated with filing a modification.                    
                                                                               
  Representative Martin asked why the modification request was                 
  being  made.   Ms. Straube advised  that the  Senate Finance                 
  Committee  added that  portion  of  the  bill  and  that  it                 
  addresses "disestablishment" of paternity.  Ms. May directed                 
  that the purpose  of that aspect  of the legislation was  to                 
  allow the  person who disestablishes  not to be  required to                 
  pay arrearage.                                                               
                                                                               
  Representative  Brown  asked  if  all  the  civil  rules  of                 
  procedural  changes  would  relate  to  disestablishment  of                 
  paternity.   Ms. May stated that they are not all related to                 
  disestablishment.   She responded to  Representative Brown's                 
  question regarding  how the  rule was  changed.   She stated                 
  that  under  the legislation,  if an  obligee prevails  in a                 
  matter before the court, the obligor may be  assessed costs;                 
  if an obligor prevails, the court may not assess fees, costs                 
  or expenses against the obligee.                                             
                                                                               
  Representative Parnell  asked if a  requirement exists  that                 
  the father  be informed  of his  right to  file a  paternity                 
  suit.  Ms. Straube  explained that the father would  need to                 
  respond   within    thirty   days   regarding    the   suit.                 
  Representative Parnell asked if the same circumstances would                 
  exist with the Notice  of Repeal.  Ms. Straube  replied that                 
  when the father is notified that  they have lost the appeal,                 
  they are then notified that they  have the right to judicial                 
  review.                                                                      
                                                                               
  Representative    Parnell    examined    that   one    could                 
  administratively   start   proceedings   to  determine   the                 
  paternity  of the  child,  although at  the  same time,  the                 
  legislation would not allow the father to disestablish their                 
                                                                               
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  paternity  obligation  through  the  courts.    Ms.  Straube                 
  explained that portion had  not been a part of  the original                 
  legislation,  although,   now  that  it  is   included,  the                 
  Department  is not  testifying  to  have  it removed.    She                 
  commented that the  issue in regards to  disestablishment is                 
  far bigger.  In order to establish paternity, the court will                 
  look at two concerns:                                                        
                                                                               
       1.   Does the genetic test prove a 95% or better chance                 
            who the father is; or                                              
                                                                               
       2.   Has    the    father    provided    a    voluntary                 
            acknowledgment.                                                    
                                                                               
  If  either  circumstance  has   occurred,  that  person   is                 
  adjudicated to be the father.                                                
                                                                               
  Representative  Parnell  asked  the  fiscal  impact  of  the                 
  "disestablishment" section of the bill.   Ms. Straube stated                 
  that  it will  affect the  Department and  that effect  will                 
  depend on the "run" resulting from  the action.  She thought                 
  that  there  would  be  many  more requests  then  currently                 
  exists.                                                                      
                                                                               
  Ms.  Straube  commented   that  the   courts  do  not   have                 
  established standards.   They  look at  the entire  picture.                 
  She felt  that it would be a lot  of power delegated to that                 
  agency.                                                                      
                                                                               
  Representative  Brown  MOVED  to  adopt  to   Amendment  #1.                 
  [Attachment   #1].      Representative    Mulder   OBJECTED.                 
  Representative Parnell  thought  that  the  amendment  would                 
  establish a system which  could disestablish paternity, then                 
  granting  the  agency   authority  to  create   regulations.                 
  Representative Mulder remarked that the  amendment would add                 
  additional unnecessary laws on the books.                                    
                                                                               
  Representative  Grussendorf  pointed   out  the   tremendous                 
  expense to the Department in establishing the paternity of a                 
  child.      He   spoke   in   support  of   the   amendment.                 
  Representative  Parnell  pointed out  that  the cost  of the                 
  genetic testing would be assessed  against the petitioner if                 
  paternity was established.                                                   
                                                                               
  Ms. Straube spoke  to the tremendous costs  currently within                 
  the Department.   She added that  punitive fathers have  the                 
  right  at  all  times  to go  to  court  to  "disestablish".                 
  Representative Mulder  countered the tremendous  expense "to                 
  go" to court.                                                                
                                                                               
  (Tape Change, HFC 95-115, Side 1).                                           
                                                                               
                                                                               
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  Representative  Brown   asked  if   the  Division  had   fee                 
  establishing authority.  Ms. Straube noted that they do have                 
  it for genetic  testing.   Representative Brown stated  that                 
  agencies do not have the authority to establish fees  unless                 
  the  Legislature   provides  that   authority.     She  then                 
  questioned the legal recourse that  an adoptive parent would                 
  have.    Ms.  Straube stated  that  the  Senate provided  an                 
  amendment  on   Page  30,   Line  30,  stating:   "...unless                 
  established  by   court"  which  would   specifically  cover                 
  adoption paternity concern.                                                  
                                                                               
  A roll call was taken on the MOTION to adopt Amendment #1.                   
                                                                               
       IN FAVOR:      Brown, Grussendorf                                       
       OPPOSED:       Parnell,  Therriault,   Kelly,  Kohring,                 
                      Martin, Mulder, Foster                                   
                                                                               
  Representatives Navarre and Hanley were  not present for the                 
  vote.                                                                        
                                                                               
  The MOTION FAILED (2-7).                                                     
                                                                               
  Representative Therriault distributed and  briefly discussed                 
  an amendment provided to the Committee as drafted by Senator                 
  Rieger.  [Attachment #2].                                                    
                                                                               
  CS  SB  115   (FIN)  was  HELD  in  Committee   for  further                 
  discussion.                                                                  
                                                                               
  ADJOURNMENT                                                                  
                                                                               
  The meeting adjourned at 10:00 A.M.                                          
                                                                               
                                                                               
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