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 (
HEALTH, EDUCATION,  AND  SOCIALSERVICES  COMMITTEE MEETING
 January 23,1974
  9:00a.m.
Present:  Senators Thomas, Croftand  Hensley
GENERAL: Priorto  meeting beingcalled to  order,therewas
a  general discussion.between Senators Thomas and
Croftconcerning  the  runaway children's  billand
drunkin  public bill. Richard Hackett, the
Committee's  Staff  Assistant,wasaskedto  obtain
current information  on  theseproblems andpresent
it  to  thecommittee.
Themeetingcommenced  witha general discussion  of
billsin  committee  fromlast  session, with~enator
Thomas askingthe  members to  go  overthe.list  to
seewhichonesshouldreceive immediate attention.
SB  263  Senator Thomasasked SenatorCroft if  there  would
be  an  appropriation  bill  to go  withSB  263,  and
Senator Croftstated  that  had  not  be~n resolvedas
yetand  that  hewouldhaveKen  Humphries  in Legis-
lative Affairscheckonit.
SB  15  & SenatorThomasstated  that  SenatorHarris had  come
SB  30
in  priorto  themeeting--he  was  presently attending
 anothercommittee meeting  -- arid  SenatorHar~is had
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 HEALTH,  EDUCATION& SOCIAL  SERVICES  COMMITTEE  MEETING
February  I,  1974
8:30  a.m.
PRESENT: All  members  of the  Committee,  Also  present  were  members
of  the Departmentof Health  and  Social  Services:Deputy
CommissionerJames  F. McClain,  Mr.  Stanley  P. Harris,
Directorof Division  of Family& Children  Services,  and
Mr.  Ray C.  Pagenkopf,  Division  of  Family  & Children  Services.
SB 265Senator  Thomas  called  the  meeting  to order  at  8:45 a.m.
and  stated  the committeewould hear  testimony  from  the
representativesof  the Departmentof Health  & Social
 Services  on SB 265,  StandardizingAssistance  Paymentsfor
Child  Care,  introduced  by  Senator  Ray.Senator  Thomas  said
he  had talked  to  Senator  Ray about  this bill  and  that he
understoodthat  Senator  Ray was  concerned  about  the payments
made  to  foster parents  in  relation  to relatives,i.e.  if
a  child is  going  into a  foster home~-why couldnJt a relative
 (such as  a cousin  or uncle)  get.  as much for taking  care  of
a  child as  a total  stranger?Senator  Ray  felt  it would  be
better  for  a child  to be  with relativesthan total  strangers.
 Senator Thomas  agreed  with  this,  but said  he felt  SB 265  did
much  more  than this  and would  like  to have  Mr. McClain's
comments.onthe bill.
 Senator Croft  asked  if  anyone had  invited  Senator  Ray  to
 come testify  on behalf  of  the bill,  and  Senator  Thomas  said
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 HEALTH,  EDUCATION  AND  SOCIAL  SERVICES  COMMITTEE  MEETING
 March  1, 1974
 9:00  a.m.
PRESENT:Senators  Thomas,  Harris,  and  Hensley
  The  Committee  met briefly  to  go over  bills  that would  be
  discussedat the hearing  being  held  in Anchorage  at  2:00 p.m.
  Friday  afternoon(today), and  to~make certainall arrange-
  ments  for the  hearing  were  completed.
  Richard  Hacker,  Staff  Assistant,  told  the members  he  would
  be  taking  copies of  all the  bills for  distribution  ai  the
  hearing  to  interested  parties.Mr.  Hacker then  gave  the
  committee  a  brief  summation  of the text  of  the bills  under
  discussion. These  bills  were:
  SB 15  Penalties--saleof drugs
  SB 120 Penalty  for possessionof ca~babis
  SB 305 Driving  while  under influenceof liquor
or drugs
  SB 307 Penalties  for  driving while  under  influence
of liquor  or drugs
  SB 321 Amending  the Uniform  Narcotic  Drug  Act
  HB 89  Publis~ing of  names  of juvenilesfor certain
offenses
  HB 571 Harboring  of minors  evading  legal  custody
  HB 572 E~asion of  custody  by minors
  Meeting  adj9urned  at  9:20 a.m.
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 (
  HEALTH,  EDUCATION& SOCIAL SERVICES  COMMITTEE  MEETING
April2,1974
8:30a.m.
PRESENT: Senators Thomas,  Harris, Croft, Sackett  &  Hensley.,  Also
  present  to  testify  was  Representative  Hackney.
HB  796amSenator Thomas called  the  meeting to  order andaskedthe
  committeemembers toconsider HB796am.  Hesaidthat
  Rep. H~ckneywas appearing  t6  testify  on  HB796amand
  asked  Mr.  Hackney forhiscomments.
 "
  Rep. Hackney stated  that  HB796,in  its  originalform,
  hadbeena  mandatorydeathbill, butfailedtopassthe
  House; that an  eff6rt  had b~en madeto  putin  a  substitute
  bill; that  had failed alsoandtheresulting  bill  is
  HB796am.  Hestated  that  in  talking  with  judges  in  two
  cities  of  theState,hehad  been toldtheir feelings ort
  mandatorydeathpen~lty was thatit would never be  used
  notbecause thejudges would notuse  it',  butbecause juries,
  ~ould notbringina  conviction  if  they felta  deathpenalty
  would be  imposed~ Rep.Hackney stated  he  felt  that if  a
  jurywere 'to bring  ,inconvictionswithlife sentences  in
  mind, thatth~y mightoccasionallydoso,  buthefelt  they
  would notbringin~conviction if  a  death penalty wo~ld
  beimposed.He  pointed  out  that if  a  jurybrings ~n a
  conviction, it  is  thejudgewhoimposes  thesentences. Rep.
  Hackney  said  hehadbeentoldthat someof  these criminals
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1973-74
SENATE·HEALTH  ·£DUCATION  AND  SOCIAL  ·SERVICES·:COMMITTEE
TABLEOF CONTENTS
 1973  MINUTES: 1/9/1973  -  4/6/1973
 1974  INDEX
 1974  MINUTES: 1/23/1974  -  4/23/1974
1973-74
)  SHESS
MINLOG
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 HEALTH,  WELFARE,  EDUCATION  COMMITTEE  MEETING
January  9,  1973 - Tuesday
8:30  a.m.
 Present:All membersof the  committee  except  Senator  Croft.
 General Chairman  Lowell  Thomas  called  the meeting  to  order.He
stated  the meeting  was  called  for a  general  discussion
of the  primary  issues  the committre  would be  considering.
In responseto Senators  Young  and Sackett'ssuggestion
that  all  bills assigned  the  committee  be placed  in
numerical  order  in  each member's  committeefile, Senator
Thomas  directed  the  committee  secretary  to  see that  this
was  done.
 Time  ofSenator  Young  suggested  that  the committee  meet  from
 Meetings
9 to  10 a.m.,  however,  it was  decided  that the  committee
J  would  continue  to meet  at 8:30  a.m.  as it  had last
session.
 Rural  Schools,  Senator  Young  said  he believed  rural  schools  versus
 SOS  & Borough
 Schools state  operated  school  versus boroughschools  was the
hottest  issue  this  session.He commented  that  school
boards  were  dominated  by rural  members  and the  matter
should  be thoroughlyinvestigated.
Senator  Sackett  remarked  that  working  on matters  involv-
ing  on-base  versus rural  schools  would  take  the entire
session  and  as to rural  school~ specific  mattersfor
determinationwere:  what the set up is  on who  has control
(does  it  come from one  central  control)  and what  should
be done  with  financing.
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Schools Chairman  Thomas  stated that  the committee  would
Continued
  want to  talk with  Commissioner  Marshall  Lind  and
  others  about these  matters.
  Senator  Sackett  advised he had  met with  teachers
  and the  Tanana Chiefs  andwa$  working  on the Bill
  passed  last session.
  Senator  Thomas suggested  that  perhaps  the committee
  would want  to take  that Bill  as a point  of departure.
MedicaidSenator  Young requested  that  the committee  look  into
  Medicaid  and other  HWE programs  to determine  those
  which are  working  -- determine  just what  the people
  are receiving.
Alcoholism Senator  Hensley stated  he would  like  the alcoholic
Bill
) bill  passed last  year brought  up for  further discussion.
  In reference  to the  alcoholic  bill, Senator  Young
  said  he felt the  State  had to exercize  some authority
  as to whether  they  are or  are not criminals.
Dept.  of  Chairman  Thomas remarked  that  he felt  the committee
Education
  would have  to make  some changes  in  what it  did last
  year and  he would  invite the  Commissioner  of Education,
  Dr. Marshall  Lind  over to get  his views.
General Chairman  Thomas requested  the  committee  members  to
  check the  bills assigned  to  HW&E so a  decision  could
  be made  as to which  ones should  be attacked  first.
Testimony  of Senator  Young requested  that  all testimony  of  witnesses
witnesses
  be recorded  and transcribed.
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) Testimony of  Chairman Thomas statedthatthesecretary wouldtake
  Witnesses
  Continued  downthe  highlights  of  eachwitness' testimony,  but
 a  complete recording ofthe  testimony would be  availa-
 bleif  a verbatim transcript  wasrequired.
  Adjournment:  Meeting adjourned  at  9:45  a.m.
)
)
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HEALTH,WELFARE,EDUCATION COMMITTEE MEETING
  January10,1973  - Wednesday
  8:30  a.m.
Present:  All  membersof  the  committeeexceptSenators Croft,
 Young  and  Hensley.  Otherspresentwere  Dr.  Nathaniel
 Cole,  ActingCommissioner,  Department of  Education;
 Mr.  Bill  Thomson, SpecialAssistant, Department of
 Education; Mr.  Jeff  Jeffers,Director, Instructional
 Services;and  Mr.  Richard Egen,  Director, Divisionof
 Libraries.
 ChairmanThomas,on  behalfof  the  committee, expressed
 his  appreciation to  the  visitors from  the  Department
 of Education for  appearing to  testify. He  askedthem
 to  appear  at  the  same  timeThursday,January 11th,  and
)said  they  wouldbe  given  priornoticenot  to  appearif
 for  any  reasona quorumof  the  committeemembership
 could  not  be  present.
 SenatorSackettasked  Dr.Cole  to  furnishthe  committee
 an  analysisof  any  new  programsthe  Department of
 Educationhad,such  as  the  bi-lingual program.
Adjournment  At  9:00  a.m.  the  meetingwas  adjourned.
 -4-  1/10/73
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 HEALTH,  WELFARE,EDUCATION  COMMITTEE  MEETING
)  January  11, 1973  - Thursday
 8:30 a.m.
 Present:  All  members  of the  committee  except  Senators  Croft
and Young.Others  present  were Dr.  Nathaniel  Cole,
  Acting  Commissioner,Departmentof Education;  Mr.
Bill Thomson,  Special  Assistant,Department  of Educa-
tion; Mr.  Jeff Jeffers,  Director,Instructional
Services;  Mr. Richard  Egen,  Director,  Division  of
Libraries;  and Mr.  Bill Overstreet,Lobbyist,  Associ-
ation of  Alaska  School Boards.
 General Chairman  Thomas  opened the  meeting  by stating  that
the committee  had  expressed  an interestin getting
)  into the  rural  school problems  and  asked  Dr. Nathaniel
Cole to  give the  committee  his views  and  advise of
any changes  that  were being  undertaken.
Dr. Cole  introduced  members  of his  Department,  Messrs.
Thomson,  Jeffers,  and Egen  to the  committee,  and
explained  that  Mr. Thomson  was the  staff  member most
  knowledgeableon  rural school  problems  because  he  had
  had  experience  in  the Bush.He  suggested  the committee
  might  want  to calIon  Mr.Thomson  later in  the meeting.
 Rural  School Dr. Cole  advised  that the  Department  had not  done
 Problems
anything  directly  toward  a different  administrative
structure  for State  operated  schools,  but had  checked
into some  of the  alternatives  which  might be  proposed.
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RuralSchool  He  stated  theyhad  lookedinto  the  possibility  of
Problems
Cont'd contracting or  expanding certainareassuch  as  in
 Southeastern,  and  possiblytheschool  districts of
 Petersburg and  Wrangell --  extendingout  intothe
 unorganized territory --  not  extending their  attend-
 ance  areas,but  by  contracting  a particular rural
 schoolto  a close-by schooldistrict.  Anotheralter-
 native,Dr.  Colesaid,  was  the  borough encompassing a
 greatdeal  of  the  southeastern  section.
 SenatorThomasaskedhow  the  secondalternative dif-
 feredfrom  the  first.
 Dr.  Cole  replied that  in  one  case  therewould  be  no
 political subdivision.There  wouldbe  an arrangement
)
 wherethe  local  schooldistrict  extended  its'services,
 but  the  secondapproachwouldbe  a political solution --
 a borough of  sorts. Dr.  Cole  said  thatthese  weresome
 of  the  alternative solutions beingconsidered since  they
 knew  thesubject  wouldbe  broughtup  duringthe  legis-
 lativesessionthis  year.
 SenatorThomaswantedto  know  if  the  Department had
 givenconsideration to  abolishing the  SOS  altogether
 and  how  that  wouldfit  intothe picture.
 Dr.  Cole  rep~ that he  did not  believe an  immediate
 abolishment of  SOS  wouldbe  a solution and  some  struct-
 ure  shouldbe  maintained until  the  pointin  time  when
)something else  was  done.
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--~  RuralSchool Senator Sackett askedwasthe  Departmentthinking of
  )
  Problems
  Cont'dany  alternativesother thanabolishment,as  a  posi-
  tivestep.
  Dr.  Coleresponded  thattheyhad  hadone  meeting  with
  the  SOSstaff  where theydiscussed  whatcould happen
  in  thefutureandthe  alternativesoft~ying to move
  to  a  morelocalautonomy andcontrol, whether  it  remains
  un d e r SO S 0  r, in fa c t  Wia.:-8 a  s ub d i vis ion by 1 e g is 1 a ti ve
  action; or  whatever theState  board  actionmight be  --
  defining attendanceareasand  setting  them.
  Senator Hensley askeddidthe  Departmentconsider a
  lackof  localcontrol themain  problem  and  whydidit
  feeltherehadto  be  a  change.
  )  Dr.  Coleresponded  that  hecoukh't saythatthe
  Department  believes there has  to  bea  change, but  most
 people having a  relationshipwithSOSfelt  things could
  be  greatly improved.Thesmallschools aren't  getting
  maximum-typeservices, butthat  might be  because  the
  numberofstudents do  notjustify building a  certain
  kindof  structure,  setting  up a  staff  and goinginto
  costlyoperations. Theproblem, Dr.Colecontinued,
  was  notuniquely an  administrative problem,  but  a  geo-
  graphical  one  as  well; and  onesolution having support
  was  to  tryto  movetheadministrativecontrol  from  a
  centralized  location  moreto  a  de-centralized locatione
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~)RuralSchool SenatorHensley commented that  he  feltthe  borough
  Problems cont'd
  alternative  would  be  a  drasticstepin  terms  of  non-
  permanent loggingcampsin  the  Princeof  Walesarea.
  He  askedif  Dr.  Cole'sreference to  contracting
  schoolsreferred to  contracting  with  a  borough.
  Dr.  Coleansweredthatit wouldbecontracting  with
  existing schooldi&ricts.
  SenatorHensley inquiredhadthe  Department considered
  providing an  administrative  unitwith  morepowersfor
  determination  of  whatthey  do.
  Dr.  Coleresponded that  the  structure  may be  there
  sincethey  havearea  superintendentsand  localadmini-
  stration, but  whether or notthey  are  givingthemthe
)
  authority and  dollars to  do the  jobwas  anotherques-
  tiona He  said  he  woulddeferthat  to  Mr.  Thomson.
  On-base  SenatorThomas asked  Dr.  Coleaboutthe  thoughtof
schools
  splitting  on-base  schools.
  Dr.  Colesaid  thatconsideration  and  discussion had
  beengiven  to  that. Thegreatest  problem in  splitting
  off  the  military wouldbe  the  relationship  to  the
  State's  preferentialrateas  far  as  874  is  concerned.
  There's 100%  fundingfor  the  military students, and
  if  they  wereadministered  by  the  localeducation agency
  the  agencywouldonlyget  50%. The present national
  administrationis notfond  of  PL  874  and  thatis
  not  peculiar to  a particular  political  party because
)
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On-baseit  alsohappened duringa Democratic  administration.
-~ Schools
  )
 Senator Sackettaskedif  the  100  percent  financing
 versus 50 percent  was  on  a  locallevel.
 Dr.Cole  replied in theaffirmative  stating  thatimpact
 students are  underthe  administrationand  control of
 a  localeducation agency.
 Senator Sackettinquired if  on-baseschools could
 be  run  on  a  state-wide  basis  with6  schoolareas
 involved.
 Dr.Cole  answered that  that  waswhatwas  done  in1964,
 butthey  are  nowincludedwithruralschools.  He  said
 he  feltthe  Department couldlookpositively toward
 the  possibility  of  contracting  the  on-base schoolsto
  ) thesurrounding schooldiffiricts.
 Senator Sackettnotedthat  theon-baseschoolareas
 are  Elmendorf,  Eielsen, Delta,Ft.  Greely,Adakand
 Ft.  Wainwright.
 Dr.Cole  remarked that  Adakwould  bean  anomalysince
 thereis  nothing in theimmediate geographical  area
 to  whichit  couldbe  attached.
 Senator Hensleyaskedif  legislation  would  be  required
 to  contract on-baseschools to  the  surrounding  school
 district, and  whether or  not  the  SOS  Actwould  have
 to  be  changed.
 Dr.  Colesaid  he  wouldhaveto  check  theStatute  on
 that--  Chapter 8, I  believeit  is.
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'-~
  ,
  )  On-base  SenatorHensley askedDr.  Coleif  he  wouldgivethe
  Schools
  Cont'd  committee  what  theDepartment prepared  on  the  defi-
 ciencies versus the  positive effects of  splitting
 offon-baseschools.
 Dr.Cole  answered thatthesubject  had only  been
 discussed  and  not  written up  as  yet.
 Senator Hensley remarked thatit  seemedto  him  that
 sincetheSOS  people comprised the  entity responsible
 forthe~ministration ofboth  on-base schools and
 ruralschools, theywouldhelpalongthe  poorrural
 schools.
 Senator ThomasaskedDr.Cole  if  he  wouldworkup  a
 balance sheetsetting  out the  prosandcons  of  split-
  )
 tingoff  theon-baseschools.
 Dr.Cole  saidhe  wouldbe  gladto  comply.
  AdvisorySenator Thomasaskedhowthe  advisory schools boards
  School Boards
 hadbeen  working out.
 Dr.Cole  responded  by  sayingthattherehad  beena
 greatdealof  participation  bythe  boardson  military
 bases, but  he  wouldask  Mr.Thomsontocommentas  to
 theruralareas.
  SOS  Senator Hensley inquired if  SOS  had  submitted  some-
 thingto  theGovernor's budget reviewcommittee ona
 newfinancing plan--  something otherthana  lump  sum
 figure basedon  the  numberof  pupils.
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SOS  Dr.  Cole, by  way of  response,  stated  they  took  the
Cont'd
  enrollmentsand made  basic  assumptionsabout the
  basic  elementary  and  secondary  programs,about per-
  centages  --  if  they were really  providingspecial
  education  programsin all  the areas  -- and  some  per-
  centages  if  they were  really  providing  vocational
  programs. From that,  under  the existingfoundation
  program,  it was  projected  how  much  money  would be
  generated. This turned  out  to be  less money  than  is
  now  being  spent.
  Senator  Hensley  asked  Dr.  Cole if  he knew  what  the
  budget  figure  for  the foundation  programnow is.
  Dr.  Cole respondedthat he  thought  it was  around  74
) million  dollars  or  between  70 and  71 million.He
  advised  it was  a maintenancetype  budget  and that
  there  would  be no  cuts as  far as he  knew.
  In  response  to Senator  Hensley'squestion,  Dr. Cole
  said  there was  only  one third  class  borough  and  it
  was  Haines.
  Senator  Hensley  asked  if  the creation  of  that  borough
(Haines) was  mainly  for the  operation  of  the schools,
  and  Dr. Cole  said  that  was correct.
  Senator  Hensley  inquiredif  there was borough  tax
  .to operate  the schools  in  the Haines  area.
  Dr.  Cole advised  that  the Haines  Borough  had  no  tax.
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SOS Cont'd Senator Hensley  inquired  how  the Haines  Borough
  is able to  have a  school system  and have  it  locally
  controlled.
  Dr. Cole  said  many places over  the State  could  have
  a local school  board,  under  local control,  and  still
 not  have to  put up  local funds,  as Federal  PL  874
  funds could  be used  as matching  under  the State  foun-
  dation law.He advised  another  place where  this
  could be  done was  in the Clear-Nenan~rAnderson.area,
  and the Department  had  given  this information  to  sev-
  eral  places where it would  work,  but  it wouldn't  work
  allover  the  State.
  Senator Hensley  remarked  that  he thought  this  arrange-
)ment  would  be appealing  to the  Kotzebue  area --  to
 perhaps  form  a third  class borough  for  the dozen  vil-
  lages in that  area.
 Dr.  Cole stated  he  thought it  was not  appealing  to
 some  areas  because  of the ultimate  possibility  of  tax
 being  levied  for school  purposes,  or other services
  could be requested  which  would  require  a tax.  He  said
 the  Department's  experience  with  the North  Slope
 Borough  had  been disappointing  becausethey had  asked
 not  to be required  to  take over  the o~~tion of schools,
  and the Borough  had  a tax base  which surpasses  anything
 in  the State.
  Senator Thomas  commented  that  the committee  would  be
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SOS Cont'd discussing  this  subject  a great deal  more  in the
  coming years.
  Dr. Cole  remarked  that  it may be  that conditionsare
  not right  to break  up SOS.
  Senator  Hensley  stated  he felt gettinga borough
  started  was a big  responsibilityand there  should  be
  a transitional  period  before  a new  borough,  such  as
  the North  Slope  Borough, is reqmred  to take  over  the
  schools.
  Senator  Sackett  asked what  sort  of time-table  the
  Department  of Educationwas giving  them.
  Dr. Cole  advised  they were  given  two years  with  100%
  funding  for schools  under  State jurisdiction.
)  Mr.  Thomson  Mr. Thomson  stated  that  the Department  was  gathering
  data it  didn't  presently  have so  it  could list  alter-
  natives  to SOS.He said  SOS operates  55  one and  two
  teacher  schools  and this  created  a problem  of how  to
  get local  control  and still  maintain  dollar  efficiency
  as far  as operational  costs  were  concerned.He  felt
  that perhaps  it  could be  split  -- the people  of  each
  community  could  control  the personnel  and  curriculum
  and the  operational  part  would be  4 or 5  schools  to-
  gether  -- centralized  purchasingand et  cetera.He
  indicated  the Departmentshould have  its  data drawn
  up by next  week  so it  could begin  exploring  some  of
  the alternatives. He stated,  in  response  to Senator
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SOS cont'd  --Hensleysdiscussionof responsibility  with  no authority,
Mr. Thomson
  that as a  regional  superintendent  for  SOS he did  have
  the responsibilityfor all  the schools  in his  area, but
 he  had no  fiscal control  as  it  lay in the Anchorage
  office.  He  stated  as a superintendentyou did  your
  educational  planning  with the  local communities,based
 on  a dollar  amount  and you hold  back  a certain  percent-
  age for any  unforeseen  items  you may have  to purchase
  after the  initial  purchasing  in the Spring.He  said
  lots of times  when you  hold  this money  back, when  you
 need  it  the money is  not there.He felt  that the  pri-
 orities  of  the teachers  and himself  were  ignored  and
  someone in  Anchorage  would inform  him he  really  didn't
)need  something  he had  requested.
asked
  Senator Thomas/what  would  be  their reason  for that,
 was  it  vast differences  and  diversity  from area  to
  area.
  Senator Hensley  asked  Mr. Thomson  if  he had a budget
 breakdownafter appropriations-- did he  know what  SOS
 had  budgeted  for what  he felt  were the prioritiesin
 his  area.
 Mr.  Thomson  stated the  ordering  of supplies  and  et
  cetera  had to be done  prior to  being advised  how  much
 money  his region  was  going to  receive,  in order to have
 them  on hand;  so he used  the  figure used  the year  before
 plus  5 per  cent.  Shortly  thereafter he  was informed  he
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SOS cont'd  --had no  money on  which  to operate  -- to  travel  and work
Mr. Thomson
  with the  individual  teachersin the variouscommunities.
  Senator  Thomas  asked  if  he was laying  that on  the
  Legislature  --  they didn't  get  the money  from  the
  Legislature.
  Senator  Hensley  remarked  if  SOS gave  gave Mr.  Thomson
  a figure,  the money  should  have  been  there.
  Mr. Thomson stated  the  s i tua tion was caused by something
  which happensinternally  and he  didn't  know what  hap-
  pened to  the money_
  Senator  Thomas  commented  that  that  would be  a good
  question  to ask  the SOS  people  when they  come  to Juneau,
  but SOS  would probablyanswer  that they  had to  hold back
) until they  saw what  the  Legislature  gave  them.
  Mr. Thomson  said  he felt  the regionalsuperintendent,
  with this  problem,  couldn't  be  responsible  or  irresponsible,
  and what  a lot  of people  did was  spend  what they  were
  allocated  in the  spring  of the  year and  that  way they
  were assured  of  getting  what they  were  entitled  to.
  Senator  Hensley  asked Mr.  Thomson  if  he budgeted  for
  the maintenancefunction  too.
  Mr. Thomson  replied  in  the affirmative,and stated  that
  they had  a comract  with  the Division  of  Buildings.
  Senator  Hensley  commented  that  he was  in favor  of the
  Department  doing  its  own maintenance.
  Mr. Thomson  advised  that  SOS was  to take  over  the
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SOS  cont'd--
Mr.  Thomson maintenance functionby July,1973.He  further
 stated  thatone thingwhich  makesbudgetingconfus-
 ing,  is  that  purchasingfor  SOS  goes  throughthe
 Divisionof  Supply  ratherthan  SOS  doing  theirown
 purchasingdirectly.
 Senator  Hensleyaskedwho  sets  the  purchasingpolicy.
 Mr.  Thomsonadvised  thatit was  done  throughthe
 Divisionof  Supply,  Department of  Administration.
Dr.  Cole Dr.  Cole  informedthat  in  orderingthroughthe  Divi-
 sion  of  Supply  you  had  to  buy  from  contractors on  a
 master  list  or,if  you wantedto purchase something
 not  availablethroughthe  listedcontractors,you
 were  requiredto  ask  for  a bid  waiver. He  expressed
)
 the  feeling  thatthe  long  delaysinvolved  withthese
procedures presen~a goodargumentfor  administering
 SOS  differently.
 Senator  Hensleyinquired if  SOS had  any  recommenda-
 tions  for  restructuring theiroperation.
 Dr.  Cole  repliedthey  may  have,  but  he  was  not  aware
 of whatthey  might  be.
 SenatorSackett  askedDr.  Cole  what  his  recommendation
wouldbe  as to  the  the  law  which  was  enactedto  allow
 State  OperatedSchoolsto  be a  separateentityrather
 than  being  underthe  Departmentof  Education.
 Dr.  Cole  stated  he  felt  it wasa positive step  because
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SOS cont'dthe  Department  had  reached  a point where  the  alternative
Dr. Cole
 to  operating  State  Operated  Schools  was to  set  up a
 structure  which  would  have been  very  similar  to what
 came  out in  the-law.He indicatedthat serious  con-
 flicts  existed  when  the State  was operatingthe State
 Operated  Schools,and it  created a  situation  where the
 Departmentof Education  was  trying  to cover  too many
 differentfunctions.He stated  what  is now  in exist-
 ence  is better  than  had SOS  remained  under  the Department.
 Senator  Hensley  asked  if  the Department  had  the responsi-
 bility  of handlingfunds for  construction.
 Dr.  Cole replied  that  it  did.
 Senator  Sackett  asked  Senator  Thomas  if  he would arrange
)
 to  have Mr.  Stanley  H. Friese,  Superintendentof SOS,
 appear  before  the  committee  and Senator  Thomas  said  he
 was  sure that  could  be arranged.
 Senator  Hensley  suggested  that  Mr. Friese  be  requested
 to  provide  the committee  with  a report  of State  Operated
 Schools'  plans  for  school constructionwhat  they have
 planned  for  the money  which  has been  appropriated.
 Dr.  Cole remarked  that  that  question  should  probably  be
 directed  to  the Departmentof Education  since  16 million
 went  through  the Department,even though  some  of the
 monies  were  for State  Operated  Schools.
 Senator  Thomas  stated  he would  like  to get the  Department's
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  SB  27  views on  SB 27  (transportation  of pupils)  which
  cont'd
 was introduced  by  Senator Bill  Ray; and  he thought
 Dr. Cole had  some  suggestions  as to how  it  should be
 amended.
 Dr. Cole  stated  he had not reduced  his views  to writ-
 ing, but he  would do  so if  the Committee  so desired.
 He said  he felt that  the definition  of  a bus route
 was the only  thing which  needed  to be added  to the
 Bill.  He  remarked that  he didn't  clearly  understand
 the legislative  intent  on this  Bill.  That  the
 Department  perceives  a bus route  as the  distance
 traversed  by a school  bus in picking  up  and delivering
 students.
)Senator Thomas  explained,  with  regard to  legislative
 intent, that  the Committ~was thinking that  kids  stand-
 ing along  a specific  highway or  road  (non-public school
 students) were  eligible  to be picked  up,  but they were
 not proposing  that the  bus go  to other pathways  to  pick
 up students.He asked  Dr. Cole  if  the law was now being
 interpreted  that the  school buses  had to  leave a certain
 highway and  pick up  students  somewhere else.
 Dr. Cole  said  he thought that  interpretation  was being
 given to the  law and  SB 27 needed  an additional  section
 defining  a bus route.
 Senator Thomas  requested  Dr. Cole  to furnish  the Committee
 the proper  language which  would  do that.
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SB  27 Senator Thomasasked  Mr.  BillOverstreet if  the
cont'd
 Association  of Alaska SchoolBoardswantedto  change
 the  lawso  it provides for  pickingup  non-public
 schoolstudents on  a spaceavailable basisonly.
 Mr.  Overstreet  repliedthat  the  Association  had  not
 addressed itself  tothe  question as  yet,  but  it would
 be  meetingin  late  February and  thiswas  one  of  the
 piecesof  legislation  it wouldbe  considering.
 SenatorThomas asked  Dr.  Coleif  part  of  the  problem
 withthe  originalBill  wasn't that  theyhad  failedto
 definethe  kindsof  schoolscovered.  He  stated  that
 the  present Bill  tookcare  of  that,  buthe  also  feltthe
 Commissioner  had  the  authority to  makesome  eligibility
)determinations  underthe  law.
 Dr.  Coleagreedthat  the  Commissioner  did  havesuch
 authority justas withpromulgating regulations.
 SenatorThomas statedthat  Dr.  Cole  hadagreedto  go
 aheadon  the  definition of  a busroute,but  the  space
 available matterwouldbe  held  in  abeyance for  a time.
 Dr.  Coleresponded by  stating  thatwhenthe  definition
 of  a bus  route  is  addedto  SB 27  it would takecare  of
 the  spaceavailable question.
 Senator Sackettremarkedthathe believed additional
 buseshad  alreadybeenput  on  in Fairbanks  to takecare
 of  non-public schoolstudents and  wouldn't SB 27  change
 that.
)
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-) - SB 27 Dr.Cole  saidthat  thelanguageputin  SB  27  by
 ,  cont' d
SenatorRay  indicates thatno  new  routeswillbe
created.
SenatorThomasaskedDr.  Coleto  indicate any  fiscal
implications  in hisdefinition.
 Adjournment: At  9:45a.m.the  meetingwasadjourned.
  FOLLOWING  THE  MEETINGA  MAJORITY OF  THE  COMMITTEE
  MEMBERS, SENATOR THOMAS,SENATOR HENSLE~ AND  SENATOR
  SACKET~ AGREEDTO  BRINGSB  27  OUT  OF  COMMITTEE WITHA
  DO  PASSRECOMMENDATION.
 )
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  HEALTH,  WELFARE,  EDUCATION  COMMITTEEMEETING
  January  16, 1973  - Tuesday
8:30 a.m.
  Present:All members  of  the committee  except  Senator  Crofte
 Others  present  were Senator  CD R.  Lewis p Senator
 Jess  Harris and  Deputy  Commissioner  Pat Wellington,
 Department  of  Public  Safety.
 Chairman  Thomas  called  the meeting  to order  and after
 introducing  Miss  Abigail  Ryan,  Staff  Assistant to  the
 Senate  HWE Committee,to the committee,called the
 attention  of  the committee  to the  Medicaid  Hearing
 before  both  Senate and  House HWE  Committees  the after-
 noon  of January  18th at  1:30  p.m., and the  meeting  of
 both  committees  with the  Alaska  State Medical  Associa-
)
 tion  at 1:30  p.m. on January  19th.
SB 15  Senator  Thomas  advised  that Senators  Harris  and Lewis
 had  appeared before  the  committee  in support  of SB  15,
 mandatory  five  year penalty  for  sale of narcotic  drugs,
 and  called upon  Senator  Harris,  author of  SB 15, to
 tell  the committee  what  prompted  him to introducethe
SenatorSenator  Harris  stated  that a friend  of his  told him  of
Harris
 an  individual who  came  to Alaska  from the  lower 48  for
 the  specific  purpose of  selling  hard drugs  because  he
 wasn't  afraid  of getting  caught1  and upon  gaining  this
 information  he  came up with  the  idea for  a Bill  providing
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~ SB15  contrd for  minimum  penaltiesfor pushingdrugs.He  further
remarked  that  superiorcourt  judges  in Anchorageliked
the  Bill  and told  him  if  the Legislaturewould  pass  it,
they  would  enforce  it.
Senator  Thomas  asked  what  was  wrong  with  the  statute
as  it now  stands.
Senator  Harris  respondedthat  in many  cases  a  guilty
plea  was negotiatedbetweenthe District  Attorneyand
defense  attorneyinvolving  a  much  lighter  sentence
than  covered  by  the statuteand the  courts  generally
follow  the  recommendationas  to sentencemade by  the
State.
Senator  Young  said  he  thought  it would  be  very  benefi-
 ) cial  to ascertain  how  many  sentenc€s(on  drug  convictions)
over  a two  year periodinvolved  fines  of  $5,000  or two
years  imprisonment.
Senator  Sackettquestioned  couldn1ta judge  at  his own
discretion  waiveany minimumestablished  by  a Bill  such
as  SB 15.
Senator  Harrisstated  that the  judges  had  advised  that
they  would  be guided  by  legislationsuch  as SB  15.
Deputy  CommissionerWellingtonremarked  that  the
Departmentof PublicSafety  was behind  the  Bill,  but
he wasn'tsure the  judges  would  be  inclined  to  use it
if  it passed  since  there  were  ways  to by-pass  it.He
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  SB  15  suggestedthat the  State  had to make  the  sale of
  Cont'd  - Mr.
  Wellington drugs  unprofitable,and the  only way  to  accomplish
 that  was through  the  imposition  of  stiff penalties.
 The  District  Attorney  informed  Mr.  Wellington  that
 a  five year  minimum  penalty  was too  stiff  and would
 result  in most  drug  cases  going to  trial.He said
 he  thought  the word  was out  that  things  are easy  for
 drug  pushers  in Alaska,  and  the Departmentof Safety
 would  like  to see  a minimum  sentence  for  sale of  drugs.
 Senator  Young  asked  couldn't  the Bill  be  so written  as
 to  require  a minimum  sentencee
 Mr.  Wellington  agreed  with  Senator  Young  that the
 Bill  should  contain  a provision  whereby  the  judges
)would  have  to impose  a minimum  sentence  on  convictions
 for  sale of  drugs.
 Senator  Sackett  inquired  what  was  the definitionof a
 drug  pusher,  and Mr.  Wellington  replied  that  it was
 Selling.
 Senator  Sackett  asked  if  the quantity  found  on a person
 when  arrested  constitutedevidence  of selling.
 Mr.  Wellington  said  he thought  there  were  people  in
 Anchorageand Fairbanks  who  made a  very good  living
 selling  drugs.
 Senator  Sackett  asked  if  Mr. Wellington  had  statistics
 on  how many  cases  for sale  of drugs  had been  filed  and
 how  many resultedin convictions.
 Mro  Wellington  informed  he  did not  have statewide
 statistics.
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  SB  15 cont'd Senators Thomas  and Young  commented  that certain
 facts on the  sentences  imposed in  sale of drugs
 cases should  be collected  and then  discussed by  the
 committee with  the judgesG
  Senator  LewisSenator Lewis  informed  that the judges  and Commissioner
 Emery Chapple  were concerned  about  drug abuse  in Alaska
 and he believed  the Legislature  needed  to do  something
 about drugs  and SB 15 would  be a  step in that  direction.
 Senator Thomas  ~ked Senator  Lewis how  he felt  the
 Legislature  should get  its  message over to the  judges.
 Senator Lewis  replied that  they should  talk with  the
judges  about  what their  problems  are since the  judges
have  told him  they feel  the fault  lies  with the Legis-
)lature rather  than with  them.
 Senator Thomas  suggested  that  perhaps both the  HWE
 and Judiciary  Committees  should sponsor  a joint  meet-
 ing with the  judiciary.
  Deputy  Comm .. Mr.  Wellington  suggested  that  perhaps Superior  Court
  Wellington
 Judges Occhipinti  and  Stewart should  be invited  to meet
with  members  of the Committees  as  they were Presiding
 Judges in the  Third and  First  Judicial Districts.
SenatorSenat~r Harris  expressed  the thought  that it might  be
  Harris
 good to meet  with the  district attorneys  too because
 they allow  defendants  to plead to  lesser charges  if
 the case is  tough to prosecute.
 Senator Thomas  asked the  committee  if  they wished to
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-)  General take  up any  of the  committee  Bills,  and said  he
would  like SB  32 on treatmentof minors  discussed.
Senator  Thomas  explained  that  SB 32 enables  a  minor
to go  to a doctor  for  medical  attention  without  the
permission  of  his parents  when  he nee~help.
 AdjournmentAt 9:00  a.m.  the meeting  was  adjourned.
  )
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  HEALTH,  WELFARE, EDUCATIONCOMMITTEE MEETING
 January  18, 1973  - Thursday
 8:30 aemo
  Present:Senatoys Thomas, Sackett  and  Young.Also  present
 were Commissioner  Marshall  Lind,  Department  of
 Education;  Mr. Nathaniel  Cole,  Director,  Administra-
 tive Services;  and  Mr. Bill  Overstreet.
 Chairman  Thomas called  the meeting  to order  for  con-
 sideration  of SCR  5, Transportation  of  Kindergarten
 Pupils.
  OVERSTREET Mr. Overstreet  requested  legislation  call  for changes
 in regulations  to provide  cost  of transporting  kinder-
 garten pupils  the  same as older  children,  and stated
 the greatest  impact  would be  felt in the  larger  school
)districtso
  LIND Commissioner  Lind advised  that  the Department  supported
 the idea  of providing  transportation  for  kindergarten
 students  and the Mat-Su  Borough  was the  only one not
 having kindergartens.
  COLE Mr. Cole  said it  cost about  $10,000 per  month to  trans-
 port kindergarten  children  in  Anchorage  and it would
 cost approximately$200,000 over  the State.He informed
 Senator Young  that Anchorage  had  to run  buses at noon.
 He further  stated  that the budget  did not  at  present
 allow for  this money,  but he knew  where  $120,000 of  it
 would come  from.
  SCR  5  On motion  by Senator  Young,  concurred in  by Senators
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--)  SCR5  cont'd Thomas andSackett,  SCR  5  waspassed outof  committee
witha  do  passrecommendation.
  Adjournment  At  9:15aom. the  meeting  wasadjourned.
  )
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  HEALTH,  EDUCATION,  SOCIAL  SERVICES  COMMITTEE  MEETING
 January  23, 1973  - Tuesday
 9:00 a.m.
Present:All members  of the  committee.Also present  were
  Senator Jalmar  Kerttula;  Mr.  Bill Overstreet,  Lobbyist,
  Association  of Alaska  School  Boards; Mr.  Bob Van  Houte,
  Lobbyist,  National Associationof Teachers-Alaska;Mr.
  Bob Cooksey,  Lobbyist,  National  Association  of  Teachers,
  Alaska; Mr.  Nathaniel  Cole,  Director,  Division  of
  Administrative  Services,  Department  of  Education,  and
  Mr. Louis  Riddle, Director,  VocationalEducation,
  Department  of Education.
  Chairman  Thomas called  the meeting  to  order and
  stated Senate  Bills  48 (relating  to computationof
  instructional  units  as the basis  for  state aid  for
  elementary  school education  under  public  school  foun-
  dation program),  50  (relating  to teacher  tenure)  1 and
  55 (special  appropriatio~ Departmentof  Education  -
  shop at Seward  Skill  Center) would  comprise  the meet-
  ing agenda.
SB 48  -- Mr.  Overstreet  stated  this bill  was directed  at  the
OVERSTREET
 problem  each  school  district  is facing  in having  its'
 proportionatecost  rise  while the state's  proportionate
  cost is diminishing.
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Van  Houte Mr.  Van  Houte  said that  when  working  on  the Foundation
SB  48
  Act  the  concept  of equalizationwas  looked  at  district
  wide  rather  than  as  elementary  and  secondaryunits.
Cole  --Dr.  Cole  stated  that  only  eight  school  districts
SB  48
  would  be  affected  --  this  is  not  somethingthat will
  uniformlyaffect  the  State.
Van  Houte Mr.  Van  Houte  informed  that  his  organizationrecom-
SB  48
  mends  that  every  unit  be increasedrather  than  giving
  more  units  to  some.
It  was agreed  by the  committee  to  hold  SB 48  for
  actionin a week  or  so after  checkinginto legis la-
  tive  propositionspendingin the  House  which  would
)  change  the FoundationAct.
KERTTULA Senator  Kerttula  testifiedin supportof Senate  Bill
SB  55
55 (special  appropriation to the  Dept.  of Educationfor
  a  shop  at the  Seward  Skill  Center),  and  informed  that
the Seward  Skill  Center  is  devoted  to vocational
  trainingand  the Universityof Alaskais going  to be
forced  out of  Seward  if  it  doesn't get  its'  facility.
RIDDLE  Mr.  Riddle  said  the  University  had  been  letting  them
SB  55
  use  their  fadlity  on  a lease  basis;  if  the City  of
Seward builtthe facilitythey would  have  to  go after
a EDA grant  and  it would  be  2  - 3 years  before  they
could get  the  money.He estimatedthe  facility  could
  be  built  for  $20.65  a foot.
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SB 55The committee  unanimouslyagreed  to pass  SB 55  out
  of committee  as  amended  ("This  Act takes  effect  on
  the day  after its  passage  and  approval  or on the  day
  it becomes  hw without  approval.").
SB 50Mr. Bill  Overstreet  testifiedin support  of SB  50
OVERSTREET
  and stated  it was  clearly  needed  in case  reduction
  in staff  is necessary"dueto reductionin federal
  money  coming in.
  Mr. Van  Hou+e opposedSB 50 stating  if  federal  funds
  are not  available  it will  fall  upon the  State  and
  local  levels to  make up  the deficit.
  Senators  Sackett  and Hensley  stated  they  felt  this
) bill should  be  opened up  for public  hearing.
Adjournment:  The meeting  was  adjourned  at 9:45  a.m.
  1/23/73
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  HEALTH,  WELFARE,  EDUCATION  COMMITTEE  MEETING
  January  25, 1973  - Thursday
8:30 a.m.
  Present:All membersof the committee  except  Senator  Young
 were  present.Others  present were  Dr. Donald  K.
 ·Freed~~n, Director  of  Public Health,  and  Dr. Tom
 McCabe,  Maternal  and  Child Health,  State  Department
 of Public  Health.
 Chairman  Thomas  called  the meeting  to order  to dis-
 cuss  SB 32,  "An act relating  to  the examinationand
 treatment  of  minors."
  SB  32  Dr.  Freedman  felt  that it  was a very good  bill.
 Dr.  McCabe  said  that the wording  had been  improved,
 and  it  explicitly  excluded abortion.The  bill  is  a
 good  one from  a public  health  point of view:in  high
)risk  pregnancies  (those  of  women 17-18  years old  and
 younger),  there  are more  premature  births,  infant
 deaths,  and  illnesses  of the mother.From  a social
 point  of view,  it  would help reduce  the  number of
 illegitimatechildren,  unwanted  children,  etc.
 Senator  Thomas  asked  if  there was a great  need for
 this  bill.
 Dr.  McCabe  said  that he didn't  have the  number of
 people  who were  in  need of these  services.Prac-
 ticing  physicians  see  young women  who are  already
 pregnant.
 Senator  Thomas  said  the committee  should  get more
 statistical  informationfrom Dr.  Carolyn  Brown.
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 SenatorCroftasked  aboutincluding a minimum age.
 Dr.  McCabesaid  that that wouldbe  all  right  as  long
 as  it  coveredthe  age  of  pregnancy risk.
 SenatorCroftsuggested age  12,  and  Dr.  McCabeagreed
 that  that  wouldcoverhis  concerns.
 SenatorCroftsaid  that  therewas  no  requirement  for
 confidentiality  on  the  doctor's part  in  this  bill.
 Dr.  McCabesaid  thata physician is  requiredto  keep
 recordsconfidential,  however,theyoungerthe  child,
 the  more  rightsthe  parents have.
 SenatorCroftasked Dr.  Freedmanif  his  department
 prescribed any  standards of  conductfor  doctors.
 Dr.  Freedman said  that  was  doneby  doctorsthemselves.
 Dr~  McCabeaddedthat  the  State  Medical Boardhas  some
)
 regulations underthe  Department of  Commerce.
 Dr.  McCabesaid  thatit  is  a commonoccurrence for  a
 young  womanto  ask  her  doctorfor  contraceptives. Some
 physicians feel  constrained  from  doingso  because
 thereis  no law  suchas  this  one.
 Senator  Croft asked  why  paragraph 4  was  included --
 are  thosethe  big  problems.
 Dr.  McCabesaid  thatfrom  a  publichealth  pointof
 view,this  wouldhelp  preventthesehigh  risk  preg-
 nancies.
 SenatorSackettaskedif  a childcouldget  medical
 surgery  without parental consentunderthis  bill.
 Dr.  McCabesaid  he  couldonly  if  he  were  living  apart
 from  his  parents and managing his  own  affairs.
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  Senator  Hensley askedwhy  part(c),  makingthe  minor
  liablefor  the  costof  services,was  included.
  SenatorThomassaidit  was to  assuredoctors that  they
  wouldn'tbe  providing freeservices.
  Dr.  Freedman said  that  doctors were  not  particularly
  in  favorof  (c).
  Senator  Hensley wasconcernedaboutthe  boarding home
  students, and  wonderedhow  thisbill  wouldapplyto
  them.
  Dr.  Freedman said  in  reference to part(4)  thatthere
  are  physicians who  refuseto  providehelpto  children
  who  needit.He  said  we'remostlythinkingabout
  children  not on particularly  goodterms  withtheir
  parents.
) Senator  Thomas askedif  there  wasindeeda VD  epidemic.
  Dr.  Freedman said  that  theproblemhad  reachedepi-
  demicproportions.
  SenatorHensley asked  whatthe  State's  plan is  regard-
  ing  VD.
  Dr.  Freedman said  thereare  four  parts:  (1)  education
  of  the  public; (2) increasing  servicesto  private
  physicians;  (3)  increasing the  numberof  VD  investi-
  gators;and(4)  educationof  schoolchildren.
  SenatorSackett recommended movingthe  bill  outof
  the  committee.
  Senator  Hensley  recommended eliminating  part  (c).
 Senator Thomasasked  if  therewas  any  objection  to
)
 eliminating  part  (c). There  was  none.
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 Senator  Sackett  moved and asked  unanimous  consent
 that SB  32 as amended  pass  out of the  committee with
 a do pass  recommendation.The  motion  was concurred
 in  by Senators Thomas,  Croft,  and Hensley.
 Senator  Sackett asked  ~ venerealdisease  was higher
 in  any particular  ethnic group.
 Dr. Freedman  said  he would provide  that  information.
 Senator  Thomas said  that a  strong case  had been made
 for adding  money  for Family  Planning  Clinics, and
 asked'what  could be  done.
 Dr. McCabe  said  that the State  Family  Planning budget
 was $230,000  or $240,OOO~  $30,000  State  money and  the
 rest Federal.That  is a little  higher  than last  year.
 Next year  there will  be no  increase in  Federal  funding
)and only  an inflationary  increase  can  be added.
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HEALTH,  WELFARE,  EDUCATIONCOMMITTEE  MEETING
January26, 1973  - Friday
 8:30 a.m.
  Present: All members  exceptSenators  Hensley,  Sackett  and
  Young.Also presentwere ActingDeputy  Commissioner
  Jim McClain,Department  of  Health  and Social  Services;
  Mr. Jamie  Love,  AnchorageCouncil  on Drug  Aid;
  Mr. Ralph  Kimlinger,Manager,  Juneau  Field  Office,
  Department  of  Revenue;  Mr.  P. A. Wall,  Director,
  AdministrativeServices  Division,Department  of
  Revenue;  and Mr.  Fred  Boetsch,  Director,Audit  Divi-
  sion, Departmentof  Revenue.
  Drug  Chairman  Thomas  called  the meetingto order  and  intro-
Treatment
) WitnessLove duced Mr.  Jamie  Love  with the  AnchorageCouncil  on
  Drug Aid.
  Mr. Love  advised  that  the AnchorageCouncil  on  Drug
  Aid isn't  presentlyadministeringany treatmentpro-
  grams,  but effective  programsoperatingin other  places
  are:
  1.  Methadone  maintenance;
 2.long-term  residentialcare,  and
  3.  day  treatment.
  The methadonemaintaance  program  in  certain  cases  can
  be expected  to  continue  indefinitely,but  it  is usually
  set up  for six  months.The  Federal  Governmentis expected
  in the  future  to require  attemptsto withdraw  persons
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-\ Drug  Trea t-  from  methadone. Methadonemaintenance has beenespe~
 ) ment  --
witnessLove cially  beneficial for heroinaddicts  and  persons
involvedin a  crime  life  style.Methadonemaintenance
is  effectivein about  60%  of  the  cases  being  treated,
and  those  who  don't  work  out  on methadonecan't  make
it  in an  out-patientsettingthey  generallyrequire
long-termresidentialcare. Langdon  Clinicin Anchorage
is  administeringthe  only  methadoneprogramcurrently
operatingin  Alaska,  howeverprofessionalshaveusually
been  unsuccessful in treatingaddicts. Successful
examplesof  long-term  residential care  programsare
those  administered at GenesisHouse  in  Seattle,  Wash-
ingtonand Synanonin  S  an t  a Monica, California .. Effec-
 ) tive  residentialprogramslimit  clienteleto  approxi-
mately  25  with  2-3  staff  people~ A necessaryrequire-
ment  in  any  successfultreatment  programis  that  it be
suited  to  the  area  where  it  is located. The  Federal
Governmenthasrecidedtreatmentshouldbe at  the  regional
level  and  is  going  to closedown the  NARA  programsat
Lexington,Kentuckyand  Ft. Worth,Texas.Therefore,
Alaskais approachingthe  time  when  it  will  have  no
place  to  send  people  for  treatmentunless  they  can  be
treatedin Alaska. A residential treatmentcenter  named
Family  Housein Anchorageis  in the  processof being
staffed,and  should  be  able to  take  6-12  residents(with
future  plansfor 25)  in  about  2 weekso Funding  of  $70 y OOO
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'\ Drugcould  take care ,of about  10 persons at  Family House,
 } Treatment
Witness Love on a  $550 per month,  per person  basis,  for the  first  year.
 Approximately1/3-1/2  of the people brought  into  the
 treatment  program  (Family House)  are  expected to  be under
 the jurisdictionof the Division  of Corrections,on pro-
 bation  or parole,  and if  the Division  of Corrections  is
 to contribute  towards  the treatment  of  these people  the
 courts  must order  that they be  given treatment. Mr. Love
 felt any  grant-in-aid  should  be under  the Commissioner
 and the  Office of  Drug Abuse.
SB 4 --Mr. McClain  commented  that the  State  should provide
Witness
McClainsome help  to persons  on Social  Security  in Alaska  and
 the Department  of  Health and  Social Services  supported
)SB 4 as  it would  to some extent  compensate  for the
 reduced  buying power  of recipients  in Alaska.
WitnessMr. Boetsch  stated  the total  loss of revenue  to the
Boetsch
 State  in fiscal year  1974 would  be $139,000  if  SB 4
 passes.He further  advised  of the effects  of SB  4 as
 set down  in his memorandum  to  Acting Deputy  Commissioner
 Stevenson.(A copy  of said  memo is attached  hereto.)
  Witness Mr. Kimlinger  addressed  his  remarks to  Sections  5, 6,
Kimlinger
 7, and  8 of SB 4  (licensing  of sport fishing  and hunting)
 and recommended  that  perhaps  the older  folks should  be
 put under  an exemption  rather  than charging  $leHe
 further  recommended  an effective  date of  1/1/74  and
 said if  the effective  date was  1/1/74 the  loss would
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SB  4 cont'd be  about  $3,500. Mr.  Kimlinger's  memo  to  Acting
WitnessDeputyCommissioner Stevenson (dated1/12/73)is
Kimlinger
 attacheda
WitnessWall  Mr.  Wall  discussed the  effectsof  SB  4, Section 8,
 which  provides that  personsover  65  may  obtaina
 motor  vehicleregistration  for  $5.  ratherthan  $30e
 He  said  statistics for  1970  indicated there  were450
 peopleover  70  years  of  age  who  drovein Alaska.
 Mr.  Wall's  memo  ~ Director  Paul  Goodrich, Division
 of MotorVehicles (dated  1/28/71) is attached.
Adjournment  At  9:45  aome  the  meetingwas  adjourned.
)
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 STATE
 of ALASKA
 TO: r
  R.  D.  Stevenson
  ActingCommissioner
 DATE  January 19,  1973
 FROM: Fred  B.oetsch,Directosr  ~  SUBJECT:  SB  4--Taxand  Fee  Relieffor'
 Audit  Division ¥f/  Senior  Citizens
 I  will  discuss Sections1  and  2  of this  bill. Section  lprovides  for addi-
 tional  exemptions  for  persons over  65  and  taxpayers  with spousesover  62for
 purposes of  computingthe  Alaska  Net Income  Tax. Section  2  provides  for
 exemptions fromthe  School  Taxfor  workersover65.Section  1  provides that
 an  additional exemption of  $3,750shall  be  allowedforevery  taxpayer over  65
 and  an  additional exemption of  $3,750for  taxpayers  whose  spousesare  over
 the  age  of  62.
 The1970  censusdata  provided in  the  Institute  ofSocial,Economic and  Govern-
 mentalResearch (University  of  Alaska)  December 1971  publication titled,
 "Alaska's  Population  andSchool  Enrollments,"  Vol.VIII,  No.5,  indicated that
 there  were6,887individuals overthe  age  of  65 livingin Alaska.We  can  prob-
)ablyassumethat  no  one  over  75  wouldbe working  which  would  accountfor
 2,183of  these  individuals.Of  the  balance, 2.651  were  malesandI think  we
 couldassume,safely,that  no  morethan  one-half of  these  wouldbe  working •
. I thinkit is  also  necessary to  assumethat  the  numberof  working spouses
 overthe  age  of  62,  and  the  numberof  single  individuals  workingoverthe
 age  of  65,  would ..be  either  negligible  or  balancedout  in  the  averages that
 we  are  goingto  use  for  purposesof  calculating  the  effect  on  State revenues.
 That  wouldleave  us  with1,326 workers  in  1970. If ,we assumethatthe  growth
 rate  of  2.7  percent which  prevailed in  this  age  groupduringthe  years1960
 through 1970 continues 'to  prevail in  the  1970' s,  then  we  can  assume that  in
, calendar  year1973  there  ~jould be 1,436  taxpayers  who would  beearningincome
 and  who  could  benefit framthe  provisions of  Section1.
 In  orderto establish'a basisforincome,  we  haveused  the  medianfor  all
 families from  the  publication,  tfConsumer  Income," put  out  by  the  U.  S.  Depart-
 mentof Commerce, Bureauof  the  CensusSeries  P-60,No.85  dated  December 172.
 Table66  on  page  147  of  that  publication  gives  medianincome  bythe  age  groups
 for  1971. The  incomefor  peopleover65 was  $5,610to  whichI haveadded  a
 25  percent  differential  forthe  State  of  Alaskaof  $1,403for  a  total  income
 of  $7,012.,Assuming, then,that  our  averagetaxpayer over  65  is married and
 the  spousequalifies  for the  additional exemption and,  further, that  they
 takea standard  deduction,the  current  tax  wouldbe  $87. Underthe  proviSions
 of  Section1  of  SB 4,  the  tax  wouldbe  0.When  we  mUltiply this  timesthe
 numberof  workers(1,436),we  get  a  revenueloss  for  FY  74  (basedon  income
 earnedin  1973)  of  $124,932.  The  table  below shows  the  lossof  revenues
 from1974  through1978  basedon  the  abovestatistics  and the  2.7  percent
 )  growthrate  in  this  agegroup. Althoughthis  projection  is basedon  statis-
 tical  averages, I  think  we  cansafely  assumethatit wouldrepresent a reason-
 able  approximation  of  the  effect  onState  revenues.
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,"
  R.  D.Stevenson  -2- January  19,  1973
  Re: SB  4
'FY74FY  75 FY76 Vi  77FY  78
  Current:Proj e'c':"·
 tion$49,882'.4  $57,142.8$59,735.3$55,398.3 $55,508.2
  SB4  Proj ection49 2 697.457 2 °14.5  59~603.6 55 2 263.0  55 2 369.3
  Lossof  Revenues  ($ 124.9)($ 128.3)($'131.7)($ 135.3) ($138.9)
  I  havecalculated  theschool tax  exemptions  based on  the  number of  workers
  times $10  foreach  worked andusedthe  2.7percent growth  rate  from1974
  through  1978. You  will notethat  the1974  figure  indicates  1,475  workers
  as  opposed  to  the  1,436  workers  used in  the ,calculation  onincome tax. This
  is  dueto  thefactthatincometaxca1cu1ationsfor  FY74  werebasedon  a
  1973  population  estimatesince  the tax  collectionsin  FY  74  would be  related
  to  the1973  calendar  yearincome.As  to  theschooltax,  hO"lever,  thetax
  wouldbecollected  at  the  beginning  of  theyearand  forFY  74  this  would be
  January  1,  1974. Therefore,the  school tax  indicates  theprojected  popula-
  tionfor1974of  1,475 workers.  Lossin  revenue forschooltax  would there-
  fore  be:
 )
FY  74FY  75FY  76FY  77  FY  78
  Current  Projec-
 tion $1,654.3  $1,718.1 $1,772.5$1,742.8$1,760.2
  SB  4  Projection 1,639.5  1,702.9  1,756.9  1,726.8 1,743.7
  Lossof  Revenues($ 14.8)  ($15.2.) ( 15.6)  ($16.0)($ 16.5)
  The  only  administrative  problem I  see  with this  Actis  that  it takeseffect
  on  July1,  1973.  As  withall  taxacts,  we recommend that  they takeeffect
  on  January  1  since  thatis  thebeginning  of  thetax  yearinmost  cases.  If
  the  Acttakeseffect  on July1,  1973  it wouldthen  benecessary  to  prorate
  the  exemptionsprovided inSection 1.Also,those. persons-who began  work prior
  to  July1,  1973 would  have to  pay  theschool  tax  for that year t  and  those
  who  began worksubject  to  July  1,  1973  would not  pay  ,theschool tax. This
  wouldnecessitate  an  ,auditofeachof  these  returns  whichcould  be quite
  time-consuming and  pull  our auditstaff  away from  more lucrative  andimpor-
  tant  work.I,  therefore,  recommend  thatthe  effective  date  be  made either
  retroactive  to  January  1  of  1973  or  pushed  forward to  Janua.ry10f 1974.
  In  order~to beconsistent  with  recent  court  decisionson  the  matter of  deduc-
  tionsoftaxpa.yerswhoare  residents  forpartof  the  tax  year, I  would
  recommend  thattheex~"1lption providedfor  in  Section  1 be  prorated  on  the
  basisofadjusted gross income  within  the  State  compared  with total  adjusted
  grossincome rather thanon  a  physical presence  test  prorated  by  the  number
  )  of  months.I  do  not  see  anyother  administrative  problems with this  Act.
  FPB :mbc
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51"AT':
  t of ALASKA
---')
  .To: r  . D.Stevenson
  R
  Acting Commissioner
Dept.  of  Revenue
DATE  :January 12,  1973
  FROM,  Ra 1ph  Kiml i nger,  Manager - VSUBJECT:
  Juneau -Field  Office  ~  ~B 4  Senior  Citizens
Department  of  Revenue
  Withthepassageof  HCSCSSB149  am  H,  AS  16-05  400  was amendedanda  new  sub
section  was addedexempting resident  Alaskans60  yearsof  ageor  older  and  within
  Alaska 30  yearsor  morefrom  thelicensing provisions  of  sportfishing, hunting
and  trapping .
. - The  Dept.  of  HealthandSocialServices  has  estimated thatapproximately  5R
  percent of  the  Alaskan residents  65  yearsof  age  or  olderhavebeenin  Alaska
30 or  moreyearsthusexempting themfromthe  provisions  of  SB  4.
  Applytng  the  abovepercentage  to  statistics  as provided bythe  Dept.of  Fishand
  Game"eoncerni-ng  License  purchases res,ults  -i n a  expected annualloss  to-  the
  treasury  of  approximately  $3,418.00.
  )
  The' planned  effl"'r,;\i ~ date  of  Ju'ly  T,  1973  wi-11  necessitate  printing of a  speci.al
licenseforthe  remainder of  the  yearsince sport  fishing,&hunting licenses aresold
  ona  calendar  year basi's. The  additional  costs_ related  to  implementation  mid
  yearareestimated as:
  1 .Printing-  $600.00
  2. Posta.ge- 100.00
  3. Personal
  services- 290.00
 $990.00
  An  effective  date  of  Jan.1~  1974  forSections 5 through  8 wouldeliminate  the
  majority of  theabovecosts.
  RK/rd
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  of ALASKA
 ;,...
~', TO:  r,:
 }R.D.St.evenson
 Acting Commissioner
 DATEJanuary 19, 1973
 SUBJECT:
FROM:~P::::~:~~4J5B  4 -  Relating  to  Tax  and  Fee  .
 Administrative  Services·Division Relief  for  Senior  Citizens
 Department:: e£Revenue
  I~ respo'llSe-- :'to'-.Yoar'memo· of January 18)1same  subject )I..this  defines  thee
  effeet of' sa.!;-",:.- Mot;or  Vehicle Registration  arid  LAVenues •
 .>-.~~~;:!r.
 Iagain, call~!;Hr:' Gallant  of.the  Insurance  Services  Office,  (was Insul'31lee
 RatingBoarcl)~~160"Water Sueer, New  York,.N.Y.,  10003. This  1.s  the--same'
 IndindUl.~ve:c'Cou.taeted in .January,. 1971  for figures  on. drivers  in Alaska
 ageE! 650r':older,.,.,~~>"
 Mr.  Gallant.  s.ta:b\Q  that  of  2:1~.507 poli.cies  in Alaska,352  are  issued  to
 drivers  65  o~·,~qver: for  a  ratio of  1.3%..This  percentageapplied  against~
 the  1972 regisrrati.on  total  'Of  191,,788  calculates  to  2,493drivers  65  or
 older  in: Alaska.,:-  .
  ) The  Department  of Public:: Safety  stated  that  there  were  165,,000. licensed.
 drivers  in Alaska  at' the  end  of  ~972.  The 1 .. 3 percentage  applied  against
  165 ~OOO driverscaleula'tes  to  2,145  drivers  65 or  older  in Alaska ..
 These  calculations  do  not  cons,ider mUltiple  drivers' on  asingle policy  or
 commercial (truck)policies.' . '
 A  $53~625 revenue  loss  will  occur  (2,145  vehicle$  at  $25loss  per vehicle).
 There  are  noadditional  administrative  costs  to  be  considered  withthe  bill.
 Ratios  given  by  the  Insurance  Services  Office  indicate  that  Alaska still
 has the  lowest  ratio of  drivers 65or  older!  '
1971 1973  ,
 P..laska 1.2%  1.3%
 Hawaii4.3%  4.3%  (large n~~ber of  non-driving
 old timers .. )
'Nevadan/a6.3%
Florida 11.6%,12.5%
'Iowa1.3.2%13,.6%' '
Nebraska  n/a 14 .. 0%
ne  recommend  that  the  bill begiven  an  effective date  of  January  1,  1974.
 cc:  C ..  L .. Pyles:
c. Schroth·;,
-- .:..:....,~... '.
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HEALTH,  EDUCATION,  SOCIAL  SERVICES  COMMITTEE  MEETING
  January  29, 1973  - Monday
  8:30 aom.
 Present:  All  members  of the  committee  except Senator  Young.
  Chairman  Thomas  called  the meeting  to  ordere
 SJR 9 --  Senator  Hensley  moved  and asked  unanimous  consent
 HENSLEY
  that  SJR 9  (implementation  of  Indian Act)  pass  out
  of  committee  with a  do pass recommendation. The
  motion  was  concurred  in  by all  members present  and
  it was  so ordered.
 GeneralSenator  Thomas  furnished  the members  of  the committee
  copies  of the  weekly  bills in  committee  report  and
  requested  that  they  determine which  ones  they  feel
) are  priorities.
  Senator  Sackett  questioned  if  there was  a policy
  to hold  generci obligation  bond  bills until  the  second
  session.
  Senator  Thomas  responded  that  he believed  the policy
  was  to get  anything of  value out  and move  it.
  Senator  Sackett  asked  if  the committee was  going  to
  check  into the  matter  of last  year's bill  which  made
  alcoholism  no  longer  a crime.
  Senator  Thomas  advised  that the  committee  would  look
  into  the matter  and informed  that  Mr. Bill  Saville  of
  the  National  Institute  of Alcoholism  would  appear
  before  the  committee on February  6th to  testify on  SB 350
  1/29/73
----------------------- Page 55-----------------------
 General Senator  Thomas  also  stated  he felt the  committee
should  get on  the bills  which  drastically  effect
the  school foundationacto  He  announced  a joint
hearing  with  the House  HW&E Committee  'on January
31st  for considerationof the bills  dealing  with
transfer  of parole  authority;runaway  minors,  and
sale  of drugs.
 CROFTSenator  Croft  commented  that  he felt  the committee
should  advise  the Judiciary  Committeeof all  hear-
ings  scheduled  on bills  also  assigned  to Judiciary.
 SB  85 -=  Senator  Hensley  moved  and asked  unanimous  consent
 HENSLEY
that  SB 85  (an Act making  a special  appropriation
)  to the  Department  of Education,Alaska  Educational
Broadcasting  Commission)pass  out of  committee  with
a do pass  recommendation.
Senator  Thomas  said  he thought  the committee  should
get some  information  on  SB 85 before  it  was acted
upono
  eSSB  4Senator  Thomas  moved and  asked  unanimous  consent
  THOMASCommitteeSubstitute  for
that/SB  4 pass  out of  committee  with a  do pass  rec-
ommendation. Senators  Hensley,  Croft  and Sackett
concurred  in the  motion  and it was  so ordered.
  present
  SJR  3 All members  of  the committee/agreedthey  did not
want to  take  any action  on SJR  3 (proposing  consti-
tutional  amendment  to providefor election  of
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----------------------- Page 56-----------------------
 SJR  3  the commissionerof education)  at the  present  time.
Senator  Sackett  asked if  someone from  the University
of Alaska  was going  to appear  to testify  on SB  64
(placing  student  on Board of  Regents,  University  of
Alaska).
Senator  Thomas stated  that he  would  look into  the
matter.
 SJR  6  Senator  Thomas moved  and asked  unanimous  consent
that the  committee  pass SJR  6,  which calls for restor-
ation of  Title 4  funds, out  of committee  with  a do
pass recommendation. All present  concurred  in  the
motion and  it was  so ordered.
)AdjournmentThe meeting  was adjournedat 9:10 a.m.
  1/29/73
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HEALTH,  WELFARE,  EDUCATION  COMMITTEE  MEETING
--February  l~  1973 - Thursday
  )  8:~5 a.m.
 Present: All members  of the  committee  except  Senators Young
 and Sackett.Others  present  were Bob  Arnold,
 Executive  Director,  Alaska EducationalBroadcasting
 Commission;  Fred McGinnis,Commissioner,  Department
 of Health  and Social  Services;  and Jeannette  A.
 Pitcherella,  Acting  Coordinator,  Office  of Compre-
 hensive  Planning,  Department  of Health  and Social
 Services.
 Chairman  Thomas  called  the  meeting to order to  dis-
 cuss the  Alaska EducationalB~oadcasting Commission
 and SB  85.
 Anchor-  Bob Arnold  said  that $556,000  had been  appropriated
  ) age Pub-
 lic  Radio  by the  Legislature  last year  for a radio  station  in
 Anchorage.However,  the Free  Conference  Committee
 stipulated  that  the money  could not be  released  until
 the Federal  match  had been  obtained.That Federal
 money  has  not been  granted  to Anchorage,  and,  there-
 fore,  the State  money cannot  yet be used.
 SB 85 The amounts  of  money requested  in  the bill  are higher
 than what  had previously  been  requested  because  of
 the lack  of Federal  grant money.The  proposed  new
 starts  are in  places which  do not now  have any  kind
 of radio.It  is estimated  that $65,000-90,000State
 money  plus $20,000  Federal  money is  needed for  each
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  new  station.  Training  programs  for  managers and
  other  personnel  shouldbe  in  the  local  community.
  According to  regulations,  a community cannotstart
  a  station  until they  haveall  the  moneynecessary
  to  operateit. In  the  bill,$55,000is  requested
  for  the  production  of  "software."  Thatwas  defined
  as  the  production of  programs.  In  the  Tanana Chiefs
  region,thereare  radiostations  which woulduse
  programs producedby  TananaChiefs.
  Senator  Thomas  asked  if  the  University of  Alaska
  wouldbe  involved  with this  production.
  Senator  Hensley  repliedthat  theUniversity gets
  a  lot  of  moneyfor  production, but  he  didn'tknow
  thatthey  produceanything for  ruralareas.
)
  Bob  Arnold said  that  the$65,000previously re-
  quested assumeda Federal grant  of  $20,000.  That
  amountof  moneywouldallow  a  station  toboth
start  up  and  operatefor  a  few  months.
Anchor- Senator Croft  askedif  the  restriction  on the  money
age  Ed.
Station for  Anchorage wasin the  billor  if  it  had been
  legislative  intent.
  Bob  Arnoldreplied that  it  was  by  legislative  intent.
  He  had  askedthe  Attorney Generalif  the  moneycould
  be  released, but  was  toldhe  shouldget  the  Federal
  money.  If  the  Legislature woulddecideto holdback
  whatcould  be  usedfor  matchingmoney,thestations
could  start  up. Thenit mightbe  easier  toget  the
  Federal money.
Resolu-  SenatorCroftsuggestedthatthe  Committee draft  a
tion
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 resolutionto  free  at leastsome of  the  State  money.
 Bob Arnoldsaid  that  the  Anchoragegroup  would  like
 to get  either  all  the  moneyor at  least  an  amount
 minus  the  Federal  matchingmoney,which  could  be
 raised  locally.
SB 43  CommissionerMcGinnis presentedthe  Department's
 positionon SB  43.He distributed  the attached
 informationto  the  Committeemembers. He  said  the
 Council  couldbe improved. Doctorshave  said  that
 if  the Commissioner were  not  chairman,it  would  be
 better. The Councilis  not reallygeared  to  do  the
 job.The  Council  had  listed  suggested improvements,
 and  the Officeof Comprehensive Planninghad  pre-
 pared  a draft. The  best  of both  was  incorporated
)
 into  the  Department'ssuggested  version of  SB 43.
 Senator  Hensleyasked  if  the  Commissioneragreed
 with  the  addition  on  page  3,  Section  2.
 CommissionerMcGinnissaid  the  Departmenthad
 eliminatedit  in  their  version.
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of ALASKA
 )TO, .  r  Frederick  NcGinnis,.Corr;missicner
 Dept. Health  and  SocialServices
DATE
January  25,  1973
  FRO,.A  J<:anett:'!  A.Pitcher<;\! 1~\.V"  SUBJECT:
~f0 ~'---- i\cting  Coordinator'  11. 1  .Position  Paper  -Senate
Billr·!o. 43
. C¥18 Office  of  Comprenens·ive  Plann.ing·.
 The  passage  of  Public  Health Services  Act  P.l.89-749  in 1966  and  the  re-·
 ·lateG AlaskaStatut~ in1967  ledto  thefirst  Comprehensive  Hea'lth  P\dvisory
 r  '·1 . C  •  lLj  1-01':"8'  ('. t'  t  .. . .  1 j. f- t~
 vOW1Clrrreel:lng 1:1 ;·.aY9:JO- ~  ~1nce  na T.lme,  'cne  Jaw  arK1,,$  suosequen-;..
  .' .,t ,... •  " •  -,-'..I C  ·1't
  amenamen-cs naveunuergone  TUt~;:':!r  1n-C€rpretat" 10n  arE.! aunC'I,  rG2lTIOerS  i1ave
  b2come  more  experienCed..It  isagainst  this  background  that  Senate  Bill
 No.43~i s discussed.Highl ights of  suggested  changes  appear  as attachment
  1;  the  original  billis  shown as  attachment  2;the  proposed  changes  appear
  in  italics  in attachment3;  anda complete  revision  of  tile  bil"lis
  s~;;2sted in  position  paper 1/24/73  in  attachment  4~
 JAP:dl
  attachments
  )
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ATTft.CH~1ENT
 HIGHLIGHTS  OF  SUGGESTED CHANGESIN  S8  43
 1.Tit'le  of  Act:.an  act  relating to comprehensivehealthplanning.
  Thisimplicity includes the  state  health plan.'
 2.Intrcductor aragjaph:addedto:(a)  bri ng  the  purposeof the  counc i.l
  intofocus;. b  establ ishthatits  composition notonly  conforms to
  P.L.89-749,butalso  to  the  requirements  of  the  Hill-Burton Law  and
  theCommun i ty  Henta 1  Hea 1th  Construct; OilAct;  and(c) defi neII consumer ll
  representative.
 3.Numberof  consumers and  providers:alteredto  assurea  minimum51  percent
  consumer  majorityof  the  totalvotingmernbersh'jp)  as  required by  la'll.
  Thetotal  votingmembership  includes the  4  governmental members)all.
  of  whomare  classified  as providers.)aslegally·required.
 4.Termsof  membership:4  members'termsshallexpirein  1974  and  in  groups
  of  fourthereafter,  a rotation of  approximately  one-fifth  ofthe
  council in  any  Oile  year.
 5.Gove-rnmenta 1 members:. all sta te)1oea 1  and federal emp 1oyees  mustbe
  classified  as  providers.  Governmental  members includeone  represent~­
  ti ve  fromthe  Oepa rtElent  of  Hea 1th  and  Soc i a 1  Serv ices; one  'Borough
  official; anda  Veterans  Administrationrepresentative,who  is  re-
  quired to be  on  thecouncilby  federalregulation~; andone  repre-.
sentative from  the  Public  Health-IndianHealthServices, a  major
)  healthproviderin  the  State.  Representatives  fromthe  military  may
  function as  advisors, but  cannotbe  bonafide votingmemberson  any
 'council, pursuant to  the  commanddirectives.
 6.Statutorya.dvisors:eliminated, sincethe  composition of  the  council
  automaticallyincludes individuals with  professional  backgrounds i~
health,and  furtherconsultation  of  an  advisory nature  maybe
  obtained on  anad hoc  basis,as  needed.
 7.Chairman:to  be  electedfrom  amongthe  votingmembers, rotatingevery
two  years  between a  consumer  anda  provider, as willthe  vice-
  chairmanship. T\'/o providersor  tHO  consumers cannothold  both
  positions simulta.neously.
 8.Section l8.05~053:  . FUNCTIONS  A.iJO DUTIES: broadens the  role  of  the
  council, shifting  the ernphas'js  from ~health facil ities  to  include
all  areasappropriate to  the  scope  of  comprehensivehealthplanning.
 9.Sec.18.05.057  PLANNING AGEnCY: clarifies  that  the  Office  of  Compre-
hensivePlanning shall  'be re-named the  Officeof  Comprehensive
  Health Planningand  thatit  is  the  314(a)unit  withinthe  depart-
  ment,delegated theresponsibility  for  carrying out  the  purposes
of  P.L.  89-749.
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Introduced:·.  1/15/73
Referred:  Health, Helfare
  and  Educa tion
  1 In  THE  SENATE BY  THor/lAS
)2 SENATE BILL  NO.43
 ·3.  IN  THELEGISLATURE  OF  THE  STATEOF  ALASK}\
.4· EIGHTH LEGISLATURE  -  FIRSTSESSION
  5  A BILL.
 6  For  an  Actentitled:"An  Act  re1ating  to  the  state  health  plan."
:to
 Felt an· Ad  e..nW-...le.d:.  "An  Act  ltela..ti.ng CompJc.eJ1.eJt-sive. HeaLth  Piamwtg."
  7 BE  IT  ENACTED BY  THE  LEGISLATUREOF  THE  STATEOF  ALASKA:
 8* Section  1.AS  18.05.051  is  amendedto  read:
 9Sec.18.05.051.COMPREHENSIVEHEALTH ADVISORY COUNCIL.(a)  There
 10  is  createda  ComprehensiveHealth  AdvisoryCounc·nIt/hich  shallcon-
11sist  of  governmentaland  nongovernmental members.  Thecouncil may
 12  appointadvisory  corrmittees outside·its memberShip.
)BE  IT  El'JACTEV  BY  THE  LEGISLATUREOF  THE  STATEOF  ALASKA:
  * Se.~UOH.  1.  AS.18. OS. 051~. ar.1e.nde.d to  /i..e.ad:
  Sc.c... 18.05.051.  CO.'.fPREHENSIVEHEALTH  AVtJISORY  COUNCIL •.The  6oc.u;~  oS
 a.USac..tofu  tha.t  iH;j.tu.. e.nc.e he.o.Lth.
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wi-tIL P. L. 89-749  and  ffi amendmentll,a.nd,take.  ~H,tO  :the  ac.c.ow·it  .the.  lLe~-
)
 51  pe/tc.e.n.:t· 06  c.oun.e-U:membeJlh. A  c.ontSwneJt  L5a  pVWOH  w/t6.6e. majo/r..c.a.ll.eeJt
 OIL  oc.c.upa.:tion.  M ne.UheA  ,the.  awrJ.J·iAl>,f'/UI,UOJ1.  06  he.a.t:th  -6eJtvic.e.-6no/£. .the.
 p,'tov..[cUJig  06  heaLth  c.a.Jte;who hct6HO  -6~du_c.JJvty  obUgaUon.:to a he.a.t:th
  6a.c.iU.;ty  OlL othex  he.a.t:th  a.g e.nc.y;who  ha.h  no  mcte/r.J..a£,  legal  eJt6..i.na.heJ..al.
  )  .6 eAve. Madv~oM eft c.OnJ.:,uLtan;t6 on  any c.or.1m'{.ftie:to  C.OJt)l.lj  ou:t  .the.  l.n-
  :tent  a S.:the.  c.ounc.Lt.
(b)The council shall include 21[11J  nongovernmentalTi1ernbsrs.)
  2.t  le2.st12[EIGHT]of  'i'Thomshall  oe  conSlL-ners of  healthservices  and
 ~  ;
15  ~:
  no  mo~e·ttan nine[THREE] of  whomshall  be representatives of  non-
 ~ ~
16 n
  govern~2nt~1 egencies which are concerned ~ith health care  servlce~.
11
i7  ![
 H
 ;J !:
 'J ,-
1Pmembers toserve a t:'iO-yearter.:7l..I
 1~ I
11 i:
 (1)?iongovern::n2ntalmer:.bersareappointed bygovernor I
 !:
  20  I!subject toconfirmation  byamajorityof  the members of  the 1egisl2..turc
  :2:. ;,  in  joint  session. I
 ji
 t!
  22  i~expl~in3 in  1972  and every four All other [O~ TWO  I
 i!
  23 "{iYEARS;,  FOJR] rr:er:i.bers  shall  ha-v-e  [I~ITIALJ terms~hich shall  expire  I
 n
!
  ?-D  F;rou:)sof  fiveeachyear[OFYE{).RS,AND  IUITIAL
-->--  .  I
  TERMS OF?JU~ YEARS].
  BEFOR2A??OINTMEN?THEREAFTER,TER~SJ of office  are four  years,
  unles3t?:e2.p.:)ointr:~'2ntis  for  the re;;l2.inder(Iran  unexpired  t:·:,;o1.
  Hit~~.t:.-2  ~:~~ C' 0."/ 21  _~ f.to!'::...._Eo '.f~r!!.2 r'~~(:  tJ2:~E0_:~ ~]~ ~(~-2L~J~_~---=l~p: t ~~~~.£!:~~.!:.~?
L
  ·In  io·'r.·;-  ,.,·:'t'.~:r-,., ....  ~,.,..,~,--  b-·....  1-1 ~ .
  =.:.:_!.!__-=--=...:..;::~~~~~::.:.:..!..:~.).  fi1~~t;_~~cnL'':::S  1or'......Q£l.s:.yc:tr eachto  2.11o~"
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 -2- SB43
 co~~li~nce ~i~h thissectio~.
 of  t~~ ~8~2rna~ nctwithstandingth2~e~ber's ter~.
1
(2)  i~or:govern:TIent2.1  r.~e::-;oer5  rc2.Y  carry  0 .1.1:; their  dutieson
  CC:l::-lcil  after  2..P·::,ointment butbe-_ToY'... A conf'l" v>~~l-.': 1"\.,., 0 ,.... t·  .
. r  --,-  J..~::_V..!.~_t r rc;Jec lon oy
 the.legislature.
(3)  i-Jor:goverIl'T!ental  mer.:bers receiveno salary  but are
 entitled  to  perdiec  andtravelexpenses authorized  byla~ forstate
 die2  inconnection  with the  -exercise of  their  dutiesascouncil·
 r:er::oersbefo~e their  confir2ation  or  re<i ection  the legislature.
)
 {I}Nongovf!}r..r..r!1e}'1.,ta.1. membVt.6 Me  appoJ..YI,te.dby  gOVe.lUW1t  l>u.bj e.u
 may be.. V'..:te.ndzd  nOlL  OP..e. ye.ai!.. e.a.c.h .to eJ'.1.ow c.amp.u...a.nc.e. wLth  thJ.o.6e.c.;tion..
)
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 -2-(can't)  SB  43
  (c) The  council  shall  include  ~h~ [FOUR]  governmentalr,2rr:bers:
 one  fr02the.Depa~t~ent of  Health  and  Soci~l Services; onefromthe
 Departr.i2ntof  Ac<~inistr2.tion;  andonefrG:-:! a health' 2gency  o.f a  local
.' governsentunit[;  J~nD  THECO;·IIl-lrSSIOr.IER 0::'""' ESP~LTH lU;D SOCIAL SERVICES J ..
 SOCIf~L SERVIC:SS> J  2.re  appointed  by  the  go"/ern·~r. T112  CoOii1.ITlissioner of  I···
 health and  soci2.1servi82S  [SHALL' LeT AS  CI·i).IFl·I.MJ OF TES COUNCIL>]  and
 hisdepart:::entsh2.1l  2.f...rninister the  co;::prsh2nsi ves tate  health
 [SERVICE]  pl2..n.
  Cd) Thegovernor shall  appoint  twoadvisors to  thecouncil~ one
  (e) A~ditional ~e~bers may be  appointed  underthissection  by
 thego-vernorin  c.o:::.pliance H:i. thfederal la~d. The  ter;ns  of  the
 addltio~al ~e~~ers shall  be  fouryears,buta  f~actianal term of  less
 thanfouryears~a~ be granted wherea  full  term wouldre3ult in  an
 termssh~ll ~e fQ~r years, or  in  caseof  conflict wIthfederal law,
)
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 -2·-  (can't) 5B43
  (~)  Add; -f{' () ,,~() /-..;.;"") :".. ',  h_  :'fLr.~
 v.1-\_  /\./l.r. IL.:t....c _-__-:J
  ,  '.. '"  {
  Oe.  .nOw\.. ye.C'VVJ 1
  (g)  The. c.cu.nut. /5ha....tR. el.. e.ct a  c.hw..mannJtom  amoHg th.e..  voting
)
 )
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  -3- S8  43
 •
~ ~~~.  2.~s 18.05.053  isamended  to  read:
2Se~.  18.05.053. POWERS  0!D~~7IES.~he Ccsprehensive  Health
(1)  2C"';lse  E~nd  cO!lsult i·;ith  t~e c.epartm.ent [GOr'IMISSIONEROF
  (A) progra~s fo~ t~e construction  of  health  facilities
 fo~ thestate  and  its  politic21 subdivisio~s;
  (3) thedevelo~~2nt or rules> regulations> and
 5ta~jard3 for  the operatio~ of  health facilities;
  ee) thedevelo~2ent of  aco~?rehensive state  health
  =.s:::::::rirCl::] plan, to  be  re~..r::e-.-l2d. ct le2.st an!J.ually> andto  be suo-
  ,~.
  '4=i~t2d to tbeSurgeon  GEne~21 of  the U~ited Statesfor  his
  13
  CD) thealte.rr:.e.ti':"2s  tothe  ge~eY>2.1 assistance  pro~r2.m
) 15,I
* Sec • . Z. AS16.05.053  ~ am~nded to  ~~d:
 Se.c... 18.05.053.  FU,"lCTIONSAW 'DUT1 ES. The  CompJte.he.n6~ve. HeaLtli
  (i) c..dvL5e  andc.onJ.JtUX  ().uh  .the.  Vepo.rvtmen.t  06  HeaLth  and  Soc.id
(CJ he.a.Uh edu.c..a.:tto n;
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 -3-(can't)  SB43
.(2)~e~uest the  cooperation of  governmental  andnongovern-
  ~e~~~l ~;encies in  plannin~ and  developing a  st~tewide cC~Dreh2n3ive
 ~
  1"1-:: 2..::" ":2. '81 =r~  t<:! !'·2~;:"e·..iing 2p;2ncy.  D lanning, coordinatin~ ac t  i vitie 3  2.nu
  02.2-::5  of2.ree.:·j2.decO'..u"!.cils endother  volunt2.l:'Y  "Glanning  sroups ..I
 I
eV2.ll=2.~in.;  orevi():...:.s pl2.nnin.~z;  effo:r~s  [PROGR.:1j'lSR2LATINGTO  THERE-  I
 I
(3) E::':'2rCi3e  the2.d.di tional  pO:'ier3 and  per.fo.l7l theduties
wh~~~ ar~ necessary  tocomply with appropriate federal  programs~
)
  )
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-4-
I
I
I
  (4) p::cmote.  c!.e.vetopme.vl--t  o~ o.Ji..erudde. cu:d  .ota.te.-C'v5l>,wted  loea£. eomplu!.-
)
  I ,. }
  \.7
  c'u.LU~  onfa}-the.  H-U1.-5u/don  AdviJ.:,olujCoune-U,alLtlwJrJ.ze.d  u.nde/r..  TJ.fte.  VI06
  ,thePubLic. HwLth  Se/tv-<-c.e.Ar..-t,  aHd (b)the  Adv-t.60ILlj CounUt  auxho/u,ze.d  undeJc..
  TUte  II .the  Corr;mu~~:tfj MeY'.4LU Heo.Lth  Ce..rl.-te.;'W COnh.:tJw..c:i1..on.  Ac.t, Public. Law
)
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-4- (con't) S8  43
If
  .1  *  <::::.,... ?
  L."..._ ........ J.  i~.SlK.OC:; lOr-:  -'-l o ""'o"'cd b-' ~dl' .t °
 '·3 il ~~~  c.:...~ •• !1 4'-::f  <.!  Cl.lng  2.ne:·j  seC.Clon toread:
\j1
 Se c ~18 °  G~ °  0 ~ ~(. '.' PLP.• ?E·rn·;f....; .rG_'i';J'.?·ICY·.  r1~ '-'r' ~  L-' ,•
) Ii--'  ...J --  h •-  .tl<'_... tE:p2.r'vsenvlS  aeslb.n2.ted  I
51'!
 I  for  purposesof
 611 Ccsprehensiv2  Ee2.1thPlanning  andPublic E22.1th Servlce8 .lunen.j-
7  If  ~ents of  1955  (P.L.89-749).
!:
Ii
  * Se.c..  3.AS1g. 05  JA C'Jne.nde.d by  addinga n.e.w -6e.ction  :to  Itea.d:
  Se.c..18.05.057.  PLANNINGAGENCY.(a)  The  Veparvtfne..n..t  06 He.a1.th&
c.omplia.nc.e.  ~i:i..J:h  ~the.  Pu.blic. He.af..;thSeJt.v-t.c.e  Act 061966 (PL·89-749) and
)
'-
n-i.ngiu.v:.c.tio}"vs 06  ;the  ..sale .~ta.:t.C!, a.genc.y  deAig;ta.,ted  u.nde..'t  Sec.;t[oV/.  314(a)
on  PL  89-749.
 (Z)  The.  066ice.06  Complte.heMive.  He.a.Uh.Pfun.Y'vtng,  wh.A..c.h  JA  ;the
374 fa.) .tutU  06 -the. de.paJrheY'..:t,  /s~ULtt pi7.ovideP/1..06eA/sional.guidan.c.e  a.nd
£.ea.de.,'T..,6hvip  ':to ;the  CompJr.e.he.n.-6ive.He.aLth  Adv.L6oity  CouneLe.  ;toc.fuotn.el  ft6
  l
.the. 06·Sice.  0 S Com,'O te.he.rt6ive He.a.UhPiarllt-i.ng  and  .the.  Comp.,'!.ehzvv5ive  He.a1.th
Code.
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1nL ro auc e a :  J / I ':J/1 j
"'"Referred:  Health,Welfare
  and Education
  BYTHO;-'Y\S  J.
I
t
I
i
i
 SENATE  BILL NO.43
 IN  THE LEGISLATURE OFTHE STATE OFALASKA  I
  EIGHTH  LEGISLATURE-  FIRST SESSION
A  BILL
  For an  Act 'entitled:  IIAn  Actrelatingtocomprehensivehealth  planning."
  BEITENACTEDBY  THE,LEGISLATURE  OFTHESTATE  OF  ALASKA:
 * Section 1. AS 18.05.051  is  amended  to  read:
Sec.18.05.051.COMPREHENSIVEHEALTH  ADVISORY COUNCIL. The focus of  the
 I
  COi1iprehens i ve  Health  Advi sory  CGunci 1 ,is  the hea 1th status  of  peop 1e. ThroughI
-its  recommendations, thecouncilseeks toact  ,asanadvocateof  the people  and
 to:  moderate health  care costs;  close  gaps in-healthservices; prevent  frag-
 ·mentation and  oVerlap in  healthservices;encourage the~rowth of  preventive
)
  health  care; promotebetter  distri.bution  andwiser  us~ of  resources; establish
-accountability  forhealth  care;  andassure  that  consumer  representatives have
~ voice inhealth  planning.Theconcernsof  the councilare  uniqueinthat
  th2Yencompass all  aspects ofhealth  and allfactorsthatinfluence health.
 (a)There iscr2ateda  Comprehensive  Health  Advisory Council\'Jhichshall
 reflect  the  broad geographic,  socio-economic,  age,ethnic  and professional  health·
 elements  within thestate. The compbsition  mustcomply  with P.L. 89-749  andits
  amendments,  take into account  the requirements  of  the Hill-Burton  Law, asthe
  i
 Hi ll-Burton  Counci 1 is  an integra 1 part  of  the advi sory  counci 1,  as'lIe 11 asthe
  requ i rementsof  the  Commu ni ty t',1enta 1 Health  CentersCons tru cti on  Act.I
 (b)Consumerrepresentatives must  comprise  a  majoY'ityof  atleast  51  per-
  I
  centofcouncilmembers.'A consumer  is  a  personwhose major  career  or  occupation
 isneitherthe  administration  ofhealth  servicesnorthe providingof  healthI
 ,care; \'Iho  hasno  fi duei ary  ob 1i gat; on  toa  heal th faci l-j ty  or  other  hea 1th  agency;
 who hasnomaterial, legal orfinancial interest  in therendering of  any component
 ofhealthservices,research or  the teachingof  healthscience;  \'lho  isneither  a  ,_  ILL
  , JIO'JA,,1T HWe  J-  M7
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  -2-
  a  practicing or  non-practicinghealth  professional  noran  officialor  employee  I
 i
  ofstate, local or  federalgovernment.
 (c)Thecouncil  .may  create  special  committees outside  its  membership  and
  mayrecommendpersons  who arenot  membersof. the council  toserve as  advisorsor
 t
  consultants onany,colillTlittee  to  carry  out  theintent  of  the council. J
 (d)  .Thecounc; 1 shall i ncl ude  20 members  from nongovernmentalorgani zati ons
  or  gro;ups,  at  least 14of  \I}hom  shall beconsumersrepresentatives andno  more
  than 6 of  whom  shall be  providers of  health  care  services,  of  whom oneshall be
  a  representativefromtheregionalmedical  program,andoneeducator  concerned
  VIi th trai ni ng of  h.ea lth  professionals.
  (1)Nongovernmentalmembersare  appointed bygovernor  subject  tocon-
  firmationbya majorityof  the  members ofthelegislature in  joint  session. Four
 membersshall have terms expi ri ng in  197~r' and every four  yearsthereafter.  All
  other  members  .shall  have terms which shall expire  in  groups  of  4  eachyear .. Terms
  of  offi ce arefour  years,unl ess theappoi ntmentis  for theremai nder  of  an' un'-
 ~xpiredterm.  With theapprovalof  the governor  andthe  members of  the legislature·
  in  joi nt sessi on terms maybeextended  for  one  yeareach  to a 11 ow  compl i ance  \<1/1 th
  this section. Eachmember  holds office  at  thepleasure  of  the  governor  noblJith-
  standing  the  member's term.
  (2)Nongovernmentalmembersmaycarry  out  their  duties on  thecouncil
  after  appointment  but  before confirmation  or  rejectionbythelegislature.
  (3)Nongovernmentalmembersreceive  no  salary  butareentitled to  per
  diemandtravel  expensesauthorized  by lawforstate  boards.Nongovernmental
 membersmayrecei ve travel  expensesand  per di em  in  connecti on\l/i th the  exerci se
 of  thei r duti es ascounci 1 members  before  the-j r  confi rmati on  or  rej ecti on  bythe
 legislature.
  i
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  I(e)  The councilshall include  4 governmental  members  \'Iho  must, aslocal,  State
I!
  I  andFederal  officials, be  countedas  providers:  oneshall bethe  Commission~r or
It
  I  representativefromtheState  DepartmentofHealth andSocial  Services;one  shall
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  ;
  !'"~)  repr'esent alocalBOY'Gugh;' and  tvlO  shall be  federal members,  onerepresenting the
Veterans  Ad~inistration, and onethePublic Health -  Indian Health S2rvices~ Federal
members \·Jill  be  designatedbytheir  respective agencies.
  (f)  Ac!ditional  members'  may  be  appointed  under thissection  by  thegovernor  in
compliance\'Jith federal  law.  The  tet~ms  of  the additionalmembers  shallbefour'
years.,but  a  fractional termof1essthanfour  years  maybe  granted  \'i,hej"e  a  full
term  would  result in  anexpirationdateidentical  tothatof  anexisting  member~
Allfuture terms shallbefour  years,  orin  case  of  cnnflict  with  federal law"
I
those termsrequiredby  federal  law.
i
 (g)Thecounc i 1  shall elect  a chairman  fromamong thevoti ngmembershi p  to  .I
I
  _serve a  tHo-year  term.  Thechairmanship and  vice-chairmanshipshal.'rotate bet~'leen I
a  provider  anda  consumer  member eVery  tvJOyears,  and  at  notime  Vlillthese posi-
tions be  held simul taneouslybytwo  prov'jder or  twoconsumer  representatives.
* Sec.  2.AS18.05.053  isamended to  'read:
  Sec.18.05.053 FUNCTIONS  ANDDUTIES.TheComprehens oj  veHealth  Advi sory
  .... Council shall:
  (1)  advise andconsult  withtheDepartmentof  Health andSocial Services,in
thedepartment1s roleas  thestate  comprehensivehealth planning  agency,  regarding:
  (A)  health object'ives,  goals,  prioritiesand policy;
  (8)  distribution of  health resourcesandhealth careservices;
  (e)  hea1th education;
  (0)  developmentandupdating  ofa  comprehensive state  health  plan;
  (E)  special  needsofhighrisk  population groups forpreventive  an~
 health care services;
  (F)  health needs in  thefields of  welfare,  education  and rehabilitation;
 )
  (2)  promote  thecooperationof  governmental andnongovernmental  agencies  in
7
realizingtheobjectivesof  a  statewide  comprehensive h2alth plan by: fostering
coordinated planning  efforts  amongagencies;supporting  andpromoting  coordination
of  activities  and  plansof  areawide  councils  andother  voluntary planning  groups;
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creating ad  hoccommittees  andtaskforces for  specific  health problems; and
evaluating  its  pas~ reco~nendations, accomplishments andimpact as  a 'state-
  wide advisory council;
 (3)perfotTI the  additionalfunctions  and  duties, as  requested,whichare
necessary  toco~ply vIith appropriate  state  and federal' programs;·
 .(4)promote developmentof  areawide andstate-assisted  local  comprehensive
heal th  P 1ann i n9  groups;·
 (5) revie~\1  and  comment,  at  the  request  of thedepartment,on  .appl ications
for  pfo.grarrming andfor  public funds,asnecessary;
 (6) alert  thedepartmentto  health-related public concerns;
 (7) perforll1  such  other  functions or  duties as  maybe  requested  by  the
department;
 (8) per'form,asit  "is so  designated  andempol-'Jered,  thefunctions  and  duties
of  (a)the  Hill-Burton  Advisory  Counci.l, authorized  underTitle  VI of  thePublic
Health Service  Act,  and(b)  the  f..dvisoryCouncil authorized  under Title  IIThe
COITmunity  Nental  Heal thCenters Construct"ion  Act,Publ icLay}  88-164.  fviembers
appointed  to  the  Hill-BurtonandCommunity  t-lental Health Centers  Advisory
Councils shallmeet the  respective  membershiprequirementsof  thesecouncils.
*Section  3.AS18.05is  amended by  adding a  nevI sect-iontoread:
Sec.18.05.057.PLANNING  AGENCY.(~)  The  Departmentof  Health'and  Social
Services is  designatedthe  sale  state  agency  responsible forthe  administra-
tionof  state  comprehensive  healthplanning  functions,  in  compliance  with the
Public HealthService  Act  of  1966(PL89-749) and  its  subsequent  amendments.
 (1) Withinthedepartment,the  Office of  Comprehensive Planning, which
I
shallbe  known as  the  Office of  Comprehensive  Health  Planning,  is  delegated  I
responsibil ity  forcarrying  out  thecomprehensivehealth planning  funct'ions
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  to the Cor;lprehensive  HealthAdvisory Counci1tochannel' its  effortsin  a  manner
  to  produce  maximum  impact.
  (3)Rulesand regulationsgoverningthe  scope and  functionsofthe Office
  ,  of  Comprehensive  Health  Planningand the  ComprehensiveHealth Advisory Council
shall  bedetailed inTitle  7  of  the  State AdministrativeCode.
,
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,  II
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HEALTH,EDUCATION,AND  SOCIALSERVICESCOMMITTEEMEETING
  February2,  1973  -- Friday
1:30  p.m.
Center  for FrankDarnell  from  the  Centerfor  NorthernEduca-
  Northern
Educational tional  Research at the  University of Alaskaappeared
Research
at  an  informal meetingof the  Committee.
Dr.  Darnellexplainedthat  for  the  first  time  the
University has  a specific  unitto  deal  with  educa-
tional  problems.  Thereis  a staff  analyzingthese
problems, and the  Centerwould  like  to  respondto
the  State-Operated  Schools  question  whenthereis
legislation  introduced. The  Center  has  a  cooperative
arrangement with  the  researchdivisionof  the Depart-
)  ment  of  Education.  People  other  thaneducation
professors are  involved. The  Center  will  be  able  to
respondto  the  proposedlegislation  in  anobjective
way. The  Center  will  presenttheir  writtentestimony
whenlegislation  hasbeen  introduced.
Regarding State-Operated Schools,Dr.  Darnellsaid
that  muchof their  problemhas  been  with  mechanical
 administrative procedtires~In  the  concernto  see the
baseof controlshifted,the mainissue  has  been  lost:
the  processof  education  mustbe  examined. The  process
has  been  the  problem. The  processmust  be  the  first
 consideration, then  the  shifting  of  control.
 Senator  Sackettasked  how  the  Legislature can change
that  process.
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CNER  Dr.Darnell said  that the  Legislaturecanchange
con't
.. ~
theprocess by  removing  certain  restrictions  so  that
residents  of  a  community  couldrequest  thatsome
regulationsbe  waived for  their educationalsystem.
TheState  Board ofEducation  couldhavethe  power
to  waive someof  thoseregulations.
Dr.Darnell addedthattheCenter couldhavea  paper
to  theCommittee  in  a  few  weeks regarding  the  problem
of  whattodo  withState-Operated Schools.
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 HEALTH,WELFARE, EDUCATIONCOMMITTEE MEETING
February 6,  1973  -  Tuesday
  1:45  p.m.
 Present:All  membersof  the  committee exceptSenatorYoung.
Also  presentwereMr.  Bill  Saville, Executive
Director,National Councilon  Alcoholism;  Deputy
Commissioner EmmettWilson, Department of  Commerce;
Mr.  John  O'Shea,Director, Division of  Insurance;
Mr.  GordonEvans,Attorneyfor  BlueCrossInsurance
Company;and  Mr.  JohnKeating,Coordinator,  State
Officeof Alcoholism.
  SB 35  SenatorThomascalledthe  meetingto  orderand
calledupon  Mr.  Savilleto  makethe  openingpre-
)  sentationregarding SB  35  --  an  Act  requiring that
the  treatment of  alcoholism  beincluded in  group
healthand  disability insurance plans.
 SAVILLE Mr.  Bill  Savilleindicated thefour  main  reasons the
  National Councilon  Alcoholism requested thatSB  35
be· introduced were:
 (1)To  increase availability of
 treatment;
 (2)Removethe  excuseof  cost;
 (3)Createa  climatein  whichAlaskan
 physicians willtreatalcoholics, and
 ( 4 ) Dec rea sethe cos t 0 f  t  rea tme n t •
Unavailability  of  Treatment
Generally alcoholics leave  the  statefor  treatment
becauseAnchorage CommunityHospital is  the  only
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 SAVILLEcontJd Alaskanhospital which  treatsalcoholics.
  (SB 35)
CostExcuse
A  symptomof  the  diseaseof  alcoholism is denial
thata problemexists.  Since  insurance doesn'tcover
treatment of  alcoholism, alcoholics go to  the  hospi-
tal,  butare  treatedunder  somesecondary, alcoholism
related,  diagnosis whichtheir  insurance will  cover.
Therefore, alcoholics fail  to  receivetreatment for
theirreal  problemsincethe  cost  of  30  to  60 days
hospitalization  is  prohibitive.
GettingPhysicians to  Treat  Alcoholism
Many  physicians  still  don'trecognizealcoholism as
)  a  diseaseand  even  if  they  do  won'ttreat  alcoholics
becausethere'sno  insurance and  alcoholics are  usu-
ally  poor;  and  the  physicians fear  they  can'tcollect
theirfees.
Decrease Cost  of  Treatment
Two-thirds of  alcoholics treatedin  early  stages
neverreturnto the  hospital.  If  alcoholism is
coveredby  insurance companies,peoplecan  go  into
treatment centersratherthan  expensivehospitals.
Anchorage CommunityHospital
Overthe  last  eight  monthsstatistics  at Anchorage
Community Hospitalindicatethat90 percent  of  alco-
holicsreturning for  additional treatmentwerefirst
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 SAVILLEtreated  for  some  condition  otherthan  alcoholism.
 cont'd
 SB  35 Fifty  per  cent of  the  patients  in  the  Intensive
  Care unitand five  per  cent  of the  patientson the
  Surgical  Floor  have  as  their  core  problem  the  disease
  of alcoholism. AnchorageCommunityHospitalis aver-
  aging  a 1-1/2  refusal  per  week  becausethe applicants
  don't  have  insurance  coveringalcoholism.
  Mr. Savilleadvised  that  the  Kaiser  Foundationand
  sponsors  of  the WisconsinLaw  confrontedthe  same
  three  problems:
 (1)Attitudinal--  alcoholismconsidered
 a moral  conditionrather  than  a  disease.
 (2 )  The medicalprofessiongave  substitute
 diagnoses.
 ( 3)  Employersand supervisors considered
)it  a good  idea to  use  the resourcespre-
 sently  availablefor  combattingalcoholism.
  Mr. Savillestated  that  if  the bill  passes,  his organi-
  zation  is  planning  a publicinformationcampaign  and
  a seminarto train  MDs  in the  treatmentof alcoholism.
  He said  union  officia~ inAlaska  have  informedhim
  they willsupport  an alcoholism  program for union
  members  by  union  members.Wisconsinis  the only  state
  which  now has  insurancecoverage  of  alcbholism. He
  further  informedhe didn't  have  figureson just  how
  passage  of  SB 35  would  effect  insurancepremiums.
 WILSON Deputy  CommissionerWilson  requestedthe  committee
 SB  35
  to delay  actionon SB  35 until  his  departmentcould
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 WILSONfurnishstatistics from  the  industryon  how  the  bill
 SB  35
wouldeffectthe  pricingof  groupinsurance.
Chairman Thomasresponded that  the  committeewould
haveto  set  a deadline if  a long  delayoccurred.
 SenatorCroft  commented that  he  wouldbe  concerned
withinsurance companystatements on  increasedcost
underSB  35  and  he thought the  state  hadsome  obli-
gationto  regulate insurancecosts.
 O'SHEA  Mr.  JohnO'Shea,Director, Divisionof  Insurance,
 SB  35
 said  the  divisionagreedwiththe  intentof SB  35,
butthe practical aspectsof  it~ mandatory  provision
precluded any  strongrecommendation  for  enactment.
The100%  mandatory featurewould  createa  crash
)
program and  Mr.  O'Sheaquestioned  whether  there  were
 facilitiesand/orpractitioners  available to  render
 treatment.  He requested time  to  research the  Wisconsin
Lawand  appear  beforethecommitteeat  a  later  time
whenhe hadfurtherinformation.
 SenatorCroft  told  Mr.O'Sheathe  committeewould
 like  to  know  how  many  peopleare  coveredundergroup
plansand  what  therenewaldates  on  majorpoliciesare.
 EVANSMr.Gordon  Evans,attorney representing BlueCross
 SB  35
 InsuranceCompany, stated  thatBlue  Crosssupported
 the  intent  of  SB  35,  but  saw  as  problemsthefailure
to(1) definewhat  wasmeant  by  licensedtreatment
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 EVANSfacility, and  (2)  setout  how  muchcoverage is
 SB  35
involved.  He  recommended  the  bill  beamendedto
  provide a  uniformdefinition  of  a licensed treat-
  mentfacility  which  wouldcovertreatment of  Alaskans
outsidethe  state.  Mr.  Evanssaid  BlueCrosswould
submitits' ~finition ofa  licensed treatment facility
  within two  weeks.
 KEATINGMr.John  Keating, Coordinator,  StateOfficeof
 SB  35
  Alcoholism,  stated  his officesupports passageof
SB  35.He  commented that  mostemployees withalco-
  holism are  terminated  and withthislegislation  there
should  bea savings coupled  with earlytreatment.Mr.
Keatingsaidthe  definition of  an  approved treatment
  a
)  facility  would be  one  providing/24-hour rehabilitation
  program for  alcoholics.He  informed the  21  licensed
facilities in  Alaskaprovide a bedcapacityof  approxi-
  mately 235. The  best  treatment  leavesthe  alcoholic
as  close  to  his  wayof  livingas  possible, and,thereby,
  heis ableto  contribute to  his  owntreatment.
  Mr.Saville,withreference to  SB  35  causing a rush
for  treatment, remarked thatthe  HughesAct(which  provides
insurance coverage for  federalemployees)  had  beenin
effectfor  two  years,andFAA  had  nineemployees now
undergoing treatment withonly  one  requiring hospitalization.
 AdjournmentThe  meetingwasadjourned at  2:45  p.m.
 2/6/73
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  HEALTH,  WELFARE,  EDUCATIONCOMMITTEE  MEETING
February12, 1973  - Monday
10:45 a.m.
 Present:All members  of  the  committee  except  Senator  Young.
Senator  Jalmar  Kerttula  was  also present.
 SB 18Chairman  Thomas  called  the  Committee's  attentionto
SB 18  -- an Act  making  a specialappropriation  of
$2,000,000  to  the scholarshiprevolvingloan fund.
Senator  Kerttula  remarkedthat $2,000,000was a  con-
servative  figure;  that  the  need was  there,  this was
an outstandingconcept  and would  bring  students  back
to Alaska  for  training.
Senator  Thomas  moved  and asked  unanimousconsent  that
Senate  Bill  18  pass out of  committee  with  a do pass
)  recommendation. SenatorsSackett  and Hensley  con-
curred  in the  motion,  and  Senator  Croft had  no
recommendation.
 SB 6,  14 &Senator  Thomas  asked  the Commfrtee  for its  recommenda-
 23
tions with  referenceto Senate  Bills  6,  14, and  23.
Senator  Croft  commented  that  the bond  issues  provided
for in  SB 6 and  14 couldn't  be  placed  on the  ballot
until  1974 and  he thought  the  Committee  should  ascer-
specifically
tain how  the  University  of Alaska/proposes to spend
the money,  and  he felt  as to  SB 23  that the  bill
should  provide  that  the oceanographicinstitute  be
connected  to  the Universityof Alaska,  Anchorage.
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  SenatorCroftsuggested that  the  HWECommittee
  shouldset  priorities as  to  education ratherthan
  leavingthe  matterup  to  the  Finance Committee.
 SB  6,  14  &Senator Sackett  movedthatSenateBills6,  14, and
 23
  23  pass  outof  committeewitha do  pass  recommendation.
  SenatorThomasconcurred in  the  motion,andSenators
  Hensley and  Croft  votedno  recommendation.
 SB  68 SenatorCroftmovedand  asked  unanimous consent that
  SB  68  (a n  Act  relating to  state  aidfor  retirement
  of  schoolconstruction  debt)  passout  of  committee
  witha do  pass  recommendation. The  motionwas  con-
  curredin  by  SenatorThomasand  Senators Hensleyand
  Sackettvotedno  recommendation.
)
  SenatorCroftmovedand  asked  unanimous consent that
 SJR  19SJR  19(relating  toconstruction of  a  new~hool at
  Akiak)be  broughtout  of  committee with  a  do  pass
  recommendation.
  Senators Thomasand  Sackettvoicedobjection and
  therewas  discussion concerning the  factthat  the  BIA
  had  onlyso muchmoneyappropriated for  schools and
  someschoolsnow  in  the  planningstagemightbe  cut
  out  to  givethe  Akiak  schoolpriority.
  SenatorCroftmovedand  asked  unanimous consent that
  SJR19 passout  of  committeewitha recommendation  of
  do  passas amended.  The  amendment wouldat line23
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 SJR  19replacethe  periodwitha commaand  add  thefollowing:
 cont'd.
"provided implementation  of  this
requestwould  not  jeopardize  present
construction priorities."
  The  motionto  bringSJR  19  out  of  committeewitha
as  amended
  do  pass/recommendationwasconcurred in by  Senators
  Thomasand  HensleyandSenatorSackett  voted no  recom-
  mendation on  the  motion.
 SJR  21SenatorSackett  moved and  askedunanimous consent
  thatSJR  21  (relatingto  lossof P.L.874  funds)pass
  out  of  Committee with  a  do passrecommendation,and
  therebeing  no  objection, the  motion carried.
  SenatorCroftrecommended thatthe  AlaskaState
  MedicalAssociation be  requested to  furnishthecom-
)
  mitteeits  comments on HouseBill32  (an Actrelating
  to  personsengagedin  the  healing arts)  and  Senator
  Thomasindicated they  couldbe  contacted.
 HB  75 SenatorSackett  moved and  askedunanimous consent
  that  HouseBill75  (an Actrelatingto  the  scholarship
  revolving loan  fund)pass  out  of  committee witha do
  pass  recommendation. The  motionwas  concurred in  by
  all  memberspresent and  so  carried.
 SB  88 SenatorThomasreada letter  supporting  SB  88  (an  Act
  makingan  appropriation  of  $2,500  to  Dept.of  Education
  for  AlaskaHealthSciences Information Center)to  the
  Committee.  The  letter  wasdated2/6/73from  UrsulaP.
  Strash,Director, AlaskaHealthSciencesInformation
  2/12/73
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 SB 88  Center,  to Senator  Cliff  Groh.
  Senator  Croft requested  that  Mr. Bill  Vaudrin  and
  Mr. Dave  Osterbach  be contacted  and requested  to
  appear  before the  Committee  at 1:30  p.m., February  13
  to discuss  State  Operated  Schools.
 SB 30  Senator  Croft moved  and asked  unanimous  consent  that
  SB 30 be  indefinitely  postponed,  and  there being  no
  objection,  it was  so ordered.
 Adjournment  The meeting  was  adjourned  at 11:30 a.m.
)
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 HEALTH,  WELFARE,  AND  EDUCATIONCOMMITTEE  MEETING
  February13, 1973  --  Tuesday
 8:45 a.m.
  Present: Senators  Thomas~  Sackett,Hensley,  and  Croft.
  Bureau  of  Emil  Kowalczyk,  Education"Bureau  01''' Indian" ~ffairs,
  Indian
  Affairs  testified  before  the  Committee. He had  been re-
  quested  to  comment  on the  following  points:
  (1)  Plans  regardingBureau-operatedschools
  (2)  Practicesregarding  Bureau  schools  where
  a new  government  has  been formed(such as  in
  Barrow)
  (3)  Wildwoodand its  future
) (4)  How  curriculumis  developed
  (5)  Plans  for  constructingschool  facilities
  next  season
  (6)  What  agreementsthere  are between  the
  State  and the  Bureau  regarding  new  school  con-
  struction  (such  as Kiana  and  st. LawrenceIsland)
  (7)  Any  new methodsby which  a communitycan
  contract  to operatetheir own  schools
  #1
  two  or three  years  ago,  the  State said  they  couldn't
  take  over  any more  BIA  schools.It  was a verbal
  messagefrom the  Departmentof  Education.The switch
from the  Bureau  to the  State  is  the result  of an
agreement  between  the  BIA, the  State  and the  community.
The BIA  operates  53 day  schools  now with  4948  students.
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  2
#1  con't  There  are536  studentsat  the  two  boardingschools,
  Mt.  Edgecumbe and  Wrangell. Thereare  400  students
  at  Chemawaand  170  at  Wildwood.  In  Novemberthey
  submittedtheir'75  budgetand  construction  request.
  The  Bureauspends$1901  per  student in dayschools,
  $6106  perstudentat  Mt. Edgecumbe,  and  $6529  per
  studentat  Wrangell.  They  pay  transportation  to
  Chemawa. Theyhave  a  cost  reimbursable  contract
  for  $898,000at  Wildwood for  dormitorycarefor
  200  students.  Since  thereare  fewerthan  200,
  the  cost  will  probably be  $750,000to  $800,000.
#2The  schoolsat  Point  Hopeand  Anaktuvuk Pass  are
  state-operated  schoolswhichwere  to  be turned over
) to  the  North  SlopeBoroughJuly1, 1973. The  BIA
  schoolsat  Wainwright and  BarterIsland  wereto  be
  be  turnedover  July1, 1974,and  the  BIA  schoolin
  Barrow,July1, 1975. The  Boroughplansto  take
  the  schoolsoverslowly,and  there  may  be  delays.
  Thereis  no highschool  in  the  wholeborough. A
  high  schoolfor  500  students is  being  plannednow
  in  Albuquerque.  Thecost  is  $19.7  million.  Thereare
  200-250students going  out  to  high  schoolnow. The
  levelof funding coming  out  of  Congress doesn'tlook
  bright. Thereis  no  construction  money  for  Alaska
  in  the  '74  budget.
  Senator  Hensley commented that  underthe  Foundation
  Programthe  NorthSlope  Borogghwouldget  as  much
  moneyas the  BIAis givingthem.
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 #2 con't  Senator Sackettaskedwhy  therewas  reluctance to
  takeover  the  operation  of  the  schools.
  Mr.Kowalczyk said  that  theyare  hopingthatthe
  BIA  will  build the  proposed high  school.  Moneyfor
  it  is  in  the'75 budgetrequest.
#3Regarding Wildwood, Mr.  Kowalczyk  said  that  thereis
  no  new  money.  The  levelof  fundingfor'74 willbe
  thesame  as  for  '73. At  Wildwoodtheysay  theywant
  200studentsnextyear  and250  the  next  year. How-
  ever,the  BIA  andthe  Statesay  that  Wildwood is  an
  interim  facility. Thereis  a question  whether  OMB
  will  release the  property.Perhapstherewill  be  no
  moreleasepermitsgranted.  The  facility  will  prob-
)
  ablyoperatefor  another year.
 #4  Regarding thedevelopment of  curriculum, Mr.Kowalczyk
said  that  advisory schoolboardsare  to  be  involved
  in  theschoolsthrougha  memo  of  agreement.The
local  boardsare  to  be  involved in  the  budgets.  The
local  boardsserveas  the  check-off agencyfor
  TitleI  projects.  Thereis  $2.2  million in  Title  I
  funds.  The  boardsare  involved in  planning, develop-
  mentof  projects, implementation,and  evaluation.
  Thebilingual  project  is  fundedthroughTitleI.
  Therehavebeen  changes in  curriculum at  Mt.  Edgecumbe,
  whichhas  a  courseon  Alaskanproblems.There  are
seven  schoolswitha  bilingualprogram now. All
34 of  theschoolsin  the  Bethelarea  wantit.The
childrenstart  first grade  in  their  Native language,
  ~/13/7j
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4
#4  con't  with  a  Nativeteacherand  teacher's aide. Those
  teachersare  assisted  by a certificated  teacher.
  Title  VIIo~ ESEAmight  be  cut  backdrastically,
  but  programsare  written  up for  St.  Lawrence
  Island,Barrow,Tetlin~ and Venetie.
#5SenatorSackettaskedi~ theacquisition  o~ land
  was  the  greatest cost  of  buildingin  Chevak.
  Mr.  Kowalczyk said  that  theywere  asking~or
  34,000squarefeet  withouta  high  school.  That  is
  more  thanthe  existingspace. The  waterand  sewer,
  power  plant, etc.  will  all  be  inadequate.It  will
  cost  over$5 million.  Normally the  Bureaudoes
  not  purchase land.
)
  A  replacement schoolcosting$1.8  million is  planned
  for  Napakiak~rom '73  money.The  schoolin  Kiana
  is  ~rom '72or  '73  money. All  elseis  ~rozen.
  The  money~or kindergartensfor  Gambelland  Pilot
  Station  hasbeen~rozen byOMB. Hopefully, it
  will  be  ~reed by July  1.However,a  wholeconstruc-
  tion  yearwill  have  beenlost. Dorm  money,$9-10
  million (half  old,  hal~ new), is  frozenas  o~ July1.
  The  Bureauis  askingthe  Congressional  committeeto
  reprogram that  money. $9.7  million  had been  re-
  questedto  expandMt.  Edgecumbe to  1000  students.
  That  moneywas  then  reprogrammed  to  regionaldorms.
  Now  the  Bureauis  tryingto  get  it  reprogrammed for
  emergency needs  ~or local schools.  For  example,the
  schoolat  Alakanakis  4-10  feetfrom  the  riverand
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  5
  #5  con'tabout to  fall in.
  Senator Thomas  asked  if  the Bureau had  any require-
 ment  to use  local  labor.
 Mr.  Kowalczyk  said  that they  always  use local  labor,
  and they  don't have  to go through  union  hiring  halls.
  Senator  Thomas asked  how the  Bureau  considers  the
  resolutions  passed  by the Legislaturerelating  to
  school construction.
  Mr. Kowalczyk  replied  that  emergencies  are their
  first  priority.  Resolutionsare usually  in  line
  with their  overall  plans.
) Senator  Thomas asked  about  the resolution  regarding
  Akiak.
  Mr. Kowalczyk  said  that the  situation  in  Akiak is
  bad.  It  has been  a high prioritysince 1959.They
  have run  the school  on double  shifts  for ten  years.
  If  the Bureau builds  in  Barrow, there  will be  no
 more  building  in  Akiak for  about 15  years.  The  new
  facility  for Akiak  is in  the '75 budget,  and was  in
  the budget  requests  for  '73 and '74.Money  for de-
  signing  a new school  for Kotzebue  is  in  the '75 re~
  quest.There is  planning money  now.Many small
  projects  are combining  design  and engineering.
  #7 Local schools  can  be operated  in  one of three  ways:
 (1)A local  community  can contract  with  the
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6
  #7 con'tBIA  and run  their  own  school
  (2)  BIA  can operate  the  school
  (3)  The  school  can be  operated  by the  State
  None have  contracted,but the  procedure  for  doing
  so is  established.The  Northwest  Alaska  Native
  Association  asked  about  contractingfor the  operation
  of the  schools  in  that area  about a  year ago,  but
  have not  yet requestedto do  so.
)
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 HEALTH,WELFARE,  AND  EDUCATIONCOMMITTEE  MEETING
  February  14,  1973  --  Wednesday
  8:30 a.m.
Present: SenatorsThomas,  Croft,  and  Sackett.
SB  125  SenatorCroft  said  that he  introducedthe bill  in
order  that  the  Alaska  law  on abortionswould  con-
form  to the  ruling  recently  madeby the  Supreme
Court.The  two  areas  in  which the  present  law  does
not  conform  are  the following:
(1)During  the  first  trimester  of  pregnancy,
the  State  cannot  regulate  where  the  abortion
is  performed.
(2)The residencyrequirement
The  Attorney  Generalwill  send down  a  letter  regarding
the  bill.
Fred"'McG'innis,"CommissioneJ?of'Healthand Soeial
Services,said  that  if  "where performed"is  an
issue,  then  the  law  should  be changed. If  abortions
may  be performedoutside  hospitals,there  should  be
some  restrictions  made.
SenatorCroft  said  that the  decision  said  that
abortion  may  not  be  singled  out regardingwhere  it
may  be performed. For  instance,laws  do not  say
where  apendectomiesmay  be  performed.
CommissionerMcGinnissaid  that  all  hospitals  and
two  clinics  have  been  approved,  and  there  are
special  regulationsfor  those  two  clinics.
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  2
 SB125Dr .  TomMcGabef'rom"-theDep.artrrrent"-of Heal ttland
~  -. ~ <
Social  SerVicessaid  that  thesecond part ofthe
current  statute  gives  the  MedicalBoard theauthoDity
to  make regulations  about abortions.  That is  a'
possiblesource ofambiguity.  TheMedical  Board
is  moving  toward  using hospitalsonly.
 SB45 Senator  Croft asked the DepartmentofHealth  and
Social  Services  representatives to  commenton  the
amount  of  space infacilities.
Commissioner  McGinnissaid  that  theCourt thinks  it
canputa  child  in  a  'pa'rtic'tilarplace,  andthenthe
Department hasto  bear theburden  of  budget,facili-
ties, etc.  The Courtmakes  all  the placements all
)
over thecountry,andthensays it  is  the Department's
problem. There  aretwowaystoremedy the situation:
  (1) The Court should  put  thechild  in  the
  custody  of' the Department, which then canplace
  him;  OR
  (2) Thebudget  should  comeunder the Court.
  If  they order it,  they  should  payforit.
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 HESS  COMMITTEE  MEETING
February20(, 1973  ~~ Tuesday
  8:45  a.m.
  Present: SenatorsThomas  and  Sackett
  PublicMarshallLind,  Commissionerof  Education,supported
School
  Found.the  repeal  of  mini  874.There  are  inequalitiesin,
  Program
  distribution  asit presently exists.He  preferreda
  Foundationbasis  allocation.
  There  is  no formalposition  of  the  Board  on repealing
  the  requirementfor  local  effort. It shouldstay  as
  it presently exists.There  are  some  problems,espe-
  cially  in  determininglocal  in-kind  match. There  will
  be  more  problems  if  we  lose the  874  B students. Ten
  percentis  the maximumamount  for  local  effort.There
  will  be  an official  position in  two weeks.
)
  Senator  Thomasasked  for  his  reaction  to  Joe Mont-
  gomery'sposition.
  Commissioner Lind  referred  the  questionto Deputy
  Commissioner Bob Thomas.
  Mr.  Thomas  said  that  the  mini  874 was  an  attempt  to
  equ~lize the distribution  of  moneybefore  the  new
  Foundation  program came  into being. The  new Founda-
  tion  programrescaled  things,and mini874 is  now an
  anachronism.  The  Departmentdid an  analysis,and
  where  there  is  a high  rate  of  State  pay,  there  is
  highlytaxable  property. The  rich  districts  get  it,
  poor  ones  don't.
  SenatorSackett  asked  how  much  it  would  cost.
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2
 Commissioner  Lind  said  he  wouldgive  theCommittee
 the  datalater  today.
 SenatorThomascommented that  Anchorage wouldprobably
 lose$600~000.
CSSB81 Commissioner  Lind  said,that  in  regardto  SB  81,  the
 costof livingand  an  areadi~ferential shouldbe
 included in  Foundation support.
 SenatorSackett asked  wherethe  House~igure of
 $20,300per  instructional  unitcame  from.
 Commissioner  Lind  said  thatit wasprobabilly a  5.4%
 increase over  $19,250.
)Senator  Thomas askedif  the  Department didn'ttake
 careof areadif~erentials in  allocating  money.
 Commissioner  Lind  said  thatit  should  be  morespecific,
 and  take  more~actors into  account.
 Mr.  Thomassaid  thereis  no  administrative  lattitude
 underpresentlaw.
 Commissioner  Lind  said  thatCSHB  29  was  much  better.
 (A  copy  of  CSHB29 is  attached.)
 SenatorSackettre~erredto CSSB 81~  and  askedi~
 section (d) wouldtakecare  o~ theproblem.
 )  Commissioner  Lind  said  no.
 SenatorSackett suggested  repealing  the  present5,
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3
CSSB81 10,  15%  section and  inserting Cd).
con't
 Commissioner  Lind  said  thecost  wouldhave  to  be
 determined.The  Department wouldwork  it  up.If
 $20,500plusareadifferential  is  used, it  must
 also  be  usedfor  SOS.
 SenatorSackett asked  if  it  couldbe  done  administra-
 tively  rather than  legislatively.
 Mr.  Thomassaid  thatundercurrentlaw,  theentitle-
 ment  is  spelled out.If  an  area  differential  and
 cost  of  living  were includedadministratively,it
 wouldbe  an untenable position.
 SenatorThomasaskedwhichbill  would"do  the  trick"?
)
 Commissioner  Lind  repliedthatsectionCd)  woulddo
 if  the  5~10,  15%section  were repealed.
 Mr.  Thomascommented that  theHouse  said  theywould
 use  thestatistics  without  havingthe  University of
 Alaskado  the  surveyagain.
 BillOverstreet, Association of  AlaskaSchoolBoards,
 spokeregarding the  Stateimpactfunds. In  some
 verysmall  districts~  $3200  per  pupilis  spent;in
 some  majordistricts, only$1600. Some  areasare
 makingno  localeffort,whileAnchoragecontributes
 33%  of  its  budget.  We mustmakesure  a  change  is  for
 the  better.  He  recommended increasing the  instruc-
 tionalunitamount,keepinglocaleffortand  mini  874.
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  4
  CSSE  81Senator  Sackett  asked  him how much  the  amount per
  con't
 instructional  unit  should  be.
 Mr.  Overstreet  said $20,800.
 Senator  Sackett  asked' if  the amount were  changed
 to $20,500,  it  would be  an increase  of  what percent.
 Commissioner  Lind  said  that $20,300  would  be an
 increase  of about  5.4%,  and that  $20,500  would be
 an increase  of  about  6.5%.
 Senator  Sackett  asked  for Mr.  Overstreet's  position
 on CSHB  29.
 Mr. Overstreetsaid  that his Association  had  not
)addressed  itself  to it.It  might not be  desirable,
 but he  was almost  persuaded  by  the Commissioner.
 Senator  Sackett  asked  how much  it would  cost if  the
 amount  were changed  to  $21,000.
 Mr. Thomas  said  about  $6-7 million.There  are 4150
 instructional  units.
 Eob Van  Houte,  NEA Alaska,  said  that he  supported
 having  ten to  twelve  differentials  rather  than three.
 If  the Foundation  instructional  unit  amount  were
 increased  to  $21,000,  that would  cover any  losses
 that might  be  suffered  under the  loss of  State
 impact  money.If  there is a low  increase  in  the
 Foundation  program,  the  impact  funds should  remain.
 If  there is a  higher increase,the impact  funds  could
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  5
 be deleted.
 Senator  Thomas asked  what he recommendedif  the increase
 were to  $20,000 or to  $20,500.
 Mr. Van Houte  said  if  $20,000~ keep  impact  funds;  if
 $20,500,  it would just  about  cancel out  mini 874  losses.
 Senator  Sackett asked  what effect  an increaseto
 $20,500 would  have  on Anchorage.
 Mr. Van Houte  said  it would have  a positive  effect.
 Senator  Sackett asked  Tay Thomas,  Anchorage  School
 Board Member,  if  $20,500 would  take care  of  many
 of Anchorage's  problems.
)
 Ms. Thomas  said yes,  they are  faced with  a $9 million
 deficit.The Foundation  program  never  did cover
 Anchorage.It  is  only 87% now.  Eliminating  the
 mini 874  funding would  cause  huge problems.Neither
 a tax increase  or  decrease was  being counted  on now.
  80S and Senator  Thomas asked  if the Foundation  program  would
  Found.
  program have to  be readjusted  if  SOS is  restructured.
 Commissioner  Lind  said  they had it  computed now on
 the basis  of $19,250.Except  for the on-base  schools,
 they used  the 5,  10, 15%.
 Mr. Thomas  said  that SOS service  unit budgets  were
 computed  according  to CSHB  29.
 Commissioner  Lind  said  that he preferred  to have  one
 system.
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 6
 SB  69  CommissionerLind said  hesupported  SB  69. I~ the
additional  money is  used~or acceleration,moneywould
be  saved in  thelongrun. I~ the money can  bealso
usedforenrichment,the  Legislaturewillhaveto
decide aboutappropriating theadditional  money.It
couldbeone  wayo~ bring  abouta  rescheduling of
theschool year. It  would be  help~ul if the  legis-
lation specificallysaid "for  acceleration."He
said  the Department  would suggest somewording.
 SB  48  Mr.Thomas said  that SB  48  wouldprovide  ~or amajor
change thathasn't beenanalyzed. It  mayserveto
offset anylosso~ mini 874.
Senator  Thomassaid  that i~ dependson  moremoney
)
being allocated. The  reception  to  thebill  ~rom the
Finance Committeeseemedcool.
 Federal Senator  Sackett askedi~ there  was  anynewin~orma-
 losses
tionon  thelossof  Federal  money.
CommissionerLind said  thatNatColehadbeenin
Washingtonlast  week.Thereis  a  potential  loss~or
I
Alaska o~ $4-18  million.The  preferential ratefor
rural schools is  probably  in  jeopardy. Legislation
regarding  revenue  sharing is  beingdra~ted in
Washington.  In  the  meantime,  wework under the
current laws.
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NEA  - ALASKA
(ALASKA EDUCATION ASSOCIATION)
 ROBERT VAN  HOUTE
AFFILIATED WITH THE  NATIONAL EDUCATION ASSOCIATION
 EXECUTIVE SECRETARY
 ROBERT C.  COOKSEY
 DEPUTY  EXECUTIVE SECRETARY
 JUNEAU OFFICE
  207 SEWARD BUILDING •  JUNEAU, ALASKA 99801 •  PHONE 586-3090
 JAMES C. WRIGHT
 DEPUTY  EXECUTiVE SECRETARY
 204 CENTRAL BLDG. (PHONE 279·85441
 ANCHORAGE, ALASKA 99501
 Of~n \~Et!  1 t:; ~9'71rj  DONALD L OlMSCHEID
 ,,,-0 ur Ll  '.. I I 0  DEPUTY  EXECUTiVE SECRETARY
 127 'h MINNIE ST.  IPHONE 456·4435)
 FAIRBANKS, ALASKA 99701
 TO:Senator  Lowell Thomas,Chairman
 Health,Welfare andEducation  Committee
Alaska State  Senate
 FROM: Robert  Van  Houte,  ExecutiveSecretary
 NEA-Alaska
 SUBJECT:PublicSchoolFoundation  Program Legislation
 DATE: February  14,1973
 Since' .there  have been anumberof  bills  introduced  which affect
 the presentPublicSchoolFoundationProgram, the following  re-
 commendation is  presentedin  order  to clarify NEA-Ala.d.Ka'sin-
 terest  in  andsupport  of this  very important  m~~ter.
 )
  1. The present$19,250.00per instructicJlal  unitamountshould
 bechanged to$20,500.00  in  order to  belp  offset  eiosion  in  the
Ipurchasingpower  ofthe. originalf:L;3ure since  it wasestablish-
 edin 1970.Werealize $20,500.00  does  not fully  cover  thein-
 flationaryfactor  but feel  it is  a  responsible requestinlight
 of  yourother  budgetary  considerations.
 S"'B-11
/2.  The cost-of-living  concept in  liB29should  bewritten into
 your proposal  in  ordertoavoid  erosion ofState  support in  the
 future.  An attractive  feature ofthis suggestionis  the  fact
 that  State  support  wouldbereduced in  the  event  the cost of
 living  should  drop.
 3~  The five  (5)and ten (10) percentarea  differentials  for
 central andnorthwest  Alaskarespectively should  be revised to
 more  accurately  reflect  theactual  cost  ofoperating  schoolsin
 those  areas.  This will  beeven more  importan-t  withthe encour-
 agement oflocal  and regional schooldistricts  in  the Unorgan-
 ized  Borough.
 /  4 •.Wefurther feel that  theconcept oflocal  effort  should  be
 retained. Thepresent formulaprovides  for a  minimumof90%
 State  support andvariesupto almost100% forthosecommuni-
 ties  which  have little  or  no  tax  base.  We strongly  encourage
)local  control ofschoolsand feel  that some  sort  of  local  sup-
 port  strengthens  that  philosophy.
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 5.The  $20,500.00 per  instructional  unit  would offset  the
 financial lossesto  districts  under the  Mini874  provisions
 and  also  the10%  requiredlocal  effort, if  the  local  sup-
 port  requirement  is  abolished.
  I 6.We  supportlegislation  to  correct  thetechnical  problems
 in  fundingthe  50%  concept of  schoolconstruction  reimburse~
 mente
 7.If  schooltransportation  is  to  be  fundedas  in  SB 91  then
 we  proposetwo  amendments.
a.That  no  schooldistrict with  pupil-miles.
  equalto  72-73  will  receive less  money
  for  1973-74.
b.That  the  cost  ofliving  formula for  the
  Foundation Program  would be  appliedto
  the  district  transportation funds  on  a
  district basis.
 We  appreciate  your  continuedsupport  of  education  and  this
 important fundingmeasurein  particular.Our  officestands
)readyto  assist  youin  any  way  possiblein  the  adoption of
 the  aboveproposal.
 cc: Health,Welfareand  Education Committee Members
 )
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 Eliason
  BYTHE HE~'\.LT7-I~.  EDUCATIOn AND
EOUSESOCIALSERVICE3COMMITTEE
 CS  FOR HO'0SEBILLNO. 29
 I!J  THE LEGISLA1'UREOFl'HESTATE OF;'\L1\SICA
EIGHT::-f  LEGI3LA~:PUHE  FIEST SESSION
  A BILL
,I
;; For an.rict  entitled: H  1\n Act.relat;ing  to  the  com.putat;lon  and  allocation  of
  state  aid  under  the public school  foundationprogram;
  3nd providing  for  an effective  date. H
1:~
;: Bi:; IT ENACTEDBY  rr:IELEGISLA..TURE  OP  'J.1r!E STAYS OFAL1'~SXA:
';
!I* Section  1. AS14.17 ..  021(a)  13::lmended  to  read:
II
ij
h
II(a) :.rhB-anOlxnt  of  state  aid  for  'Hh1cn eachscbooldistrict  -::l3.Y
:j
H
L!!qual1fy  1s  calculated by  multiplying  the basic needas  defi~ed in  (b)
q
Ii
;1
-  ;1  of  this3ection  by  the equalized percentageasdefined in (e)of  this
\i
  )
  iiSec.2.  AS  1~.17.021 is  amendedby  addjnga new sUbsectionto  read:
  (d)ll'the Y3.1ue of  the ba:3e  instrnctional  unit  allotment  3h:.ll  be'
'.
,;
 :;i:lnual  r~~f'erence to  the  nest
 the Consum&rPrlce Ind~x ror  the AnchorageNetropo11tan Are~ det~rmlned
 by  th'e United  S~~.:l.tes  Departmentof  Labor,Bureau.  of·  Labol--  Statisf;ic5 .......
 The adjusted  value  of  the  instructional  unit  for each3ucceeding  i~i3cal
 yearshall  be in  th.~  S3.l'1leratio  to  the  1970  value of  the  basein3truc-
i
 : ~tional  unitasthe  nost recentConsumer  Price  Index is  to  the  October,
 1970:figure.
  ",) AS14.17.051 1s repealed and re-enacted  to  read:
  * Sec...).
  )  <" ·1'1 1"7 ~ 5'"'INS7RUCTION.AL UNIT  ALLOTNENT .. (a)T~e
 wee.<-f. J  .. U.....
 tional  unitallotment for  each  schooldi:3trict  13  asf'ollo:'fs:
(1)if theschool  district13  in  thatpartofthe
•
 lying  t'/ithinthe bounnariesof' election  district 1>1,  orG,
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 district  shall  receive  thebase  instructional  unit allotment;
 (2)l:f  theschool  district  is  ia  that  partof  the state·
2 or  9,  the dl$trictI
 sball  receive  103.8  per  cent; of  the ban~ a.llotment;
 (3)if the  school  distrl ct  i~3in  that  partof  the state
 I
 lyIng  the boundaries  of  election  districtI
the  dif;trictshall  receive  107.5  per  centof  the base  allotment;
 I
 i
 if the  school  district  is  in  that  partof  the stateI
 lying  withinthe boundaries of  election  district  10  or11.  the  district
  of" th.ebase  allotment;  I
 (5)·  if  the school  d'istrict is  in  that  part  of  the  state  i
  .I
lying 1;:[ithin  the  boundariesof'  election  district  6or15  (nenanaon17) ,f
I
I
 d1strlct  shall  receive  115.3  per  cent  of  the  I
1
 (6)if the  school  district. is  in  that  part  of  the  state  I
l
I
lyingofelection  distrIct  5-Wor12,  the  d13-  I
i
Bh~ll receive120  per  cc-!ntof  the base  a.l1ot~nent;  1
I
 (7)if the  E1chool di3trict  :5.sin  t:hat part  of  the  st'lte i
I
i
lying  \,lithin  the  bound-al~ie5 of  elE::ctio:n  di3t~ict 13,  the  di:3tri~t.  shalll
rlS'c~-:;ive  124. 7cent  of  the base  al1ctment;
I
 if thd  3C:loo1 di.atrictis  in  thatP.';!r't of  the  state
  ,
  I
  of  election  district  13  or15 I
  .
  .  !
~1't::ln-:)n'"l)the dl!:rtrict~hal1 receive  129~ If  per cent  of  the  baSe allot--4-  1
  . J 1 '"' ..... "-'" ~"-~ ,.  ~
  I
  1
 f
 (9)if the  school di3trict  inin that.part  of  thestate
  f
lying  1..11thin  the  bonnd·:>.ries  of  el~ction district17, the  district  shal.ll
 j
 f
  cent  of  the  base allotoent;  and~
 i
 (10)  ir th0  school  district  is  in  that  part  of  the stata i
 I
 !
 !
lyin~~  1:'fithln  thebou"!lGarie3 of  election  d1strict  111 ~  16-H,or19,  the f
d13trict  sh~ll receive139.3  pe~ cent  of  the  baseallotment. t
 i
C3H3  29· • -2- I
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  1 I!(b)Theelection  districts  usedin  (a)  of  this  section  are  those
  "
  IJ
  Ii
 2ji  designated  by the  Procla:a3.tionof  ReapportionmentandRedlztrictlng  of
  I·
 J  I!Dece::nber  7,  1961, and  :t~et3.ined  for  the house of  representativesby
  q
  II
 4!I  procla~ation of  the governor  September 3, 1965.
  ;1
 5  j!~~ Sec.. 4..AS  lIt .17.056 is  amended to  read:
  !!
  H
 1
 6HSec.  I J.17.056. BASEINSTRUCTIONALUNIT..tJ.'habase  instructional
  ij
  II
  71! unit  is  ~;~O ~ 300  [;~19 > 250] ..
  ~ i
 811,.Sec.5.This  Act takes eff'ect  July1> 1973.
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  HEALTH,EDUCATION,AND  SOCIAL  SERVICESCOMMITTEEMEETING
  February22,  1973  --  Thursday
  1:30  p.m.
  Present: SenatorsThomas,Croft,  and  Hensley
SB 43Dr.  Rodman  Wilson,Alaska  State Medical Association,
  askedabout  the currentstatus  of  SB 43.
  SenatorThomas  said  the  Committeewas waitingto  hear
  from  the  groups  concerned.  We have  heard  from  the
  Commissioner of  Health  and  Social  Services.
  Dr.  Wilsonsaid  the Associationwas  in  general  agree~
  ment  with  the  rewriting. The  Commissioner rewrote  the
  definition  ofconsumer,and  the Association rewrote  it
) in  a positiveway.No memberof  the CHAC  shouldrepre-
sent a  particulargroup  or  association. The  Commissioner
should  not be  the  chairmanof the  council  whichadvises
  him. The councildoesn't  do  anything;if  the chairman
  were  not  a  government  person,perhaps  morecould  be
  accomplished.  The  bill  providesfor alternating  the
  chairmanship and  vice-chairmanship betweena provider
  and  a  consumer.
  Dr.  Carolyn  Brownsuggestedthat  the Councilshould  be
able to  choose  the  chairman,and  if  the Commissioneris
chosen,  it  should  be okay.
  Dr.  Wilsonsaid  that the  compositionof  the  membership
is  more importantthan  the  chairmanship,and  the  Asso-
ciation  would  trade  one.
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SB  43 Senator  Hensley askedwhat  wasthe  Nixon  position on
con't
 Hill-Burton  money.
 Dr.  Wilsonsaid  therewouldbe no  moremoneyafter
 July  1,  1973.
 Bob  Ogden,ExecutiVe Secreta~y, AlaskaState  Medical
 Association,  said  that  the  Nixonadministrationis
 stressing  the importance of  planning councils,and  will
 not  reducemoneyfor  thesecouncilsacrossthe  country.
 Dr.  Wilsonsaid  it  was  questionable  whethera  member
 of  the  boardof trustees of  a hospital was  a  provider
 or  a consumer.
Mental Dr.  Ray  Langdon, LangdonCl'iJ1.ic,said,regarding  mental
Health
 health,thatlast  year  wasthe  first  timea welfare re-
 cipientcouldsee  a psychiatrist. It  was  made  possible
 throughleft-over  money.TheCommissioner says,
 according to  Dr.  Langdon,he  wouldnot  ask  for  mental
 healthto  be  added  to  Medicaid.  The  Department  is
 evidently not  planningto  do  anything for  mentalhealth
 outsideof  hospitals.
Drug Senato"r  Be;nsJ~:ey  a~~k;~~~Q.}_cwh~Cl:t} I''f?d\  the ASMA' s po sition on
Abuse
  drug  abuse  treatment.
 Dr.Wolf  said  he  hadseen  about300  peoplecome  through
 theLangdonClinic. Mostof  them  had  beenin  the  State
  for  five  yearsor  more. There  has  beenthe  question of
  whether  rne:tha.d:Ql).~~ should be administered throughmeth-
  adone  clinics or through a generalhospital.
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Drug  Abuse Dr. Wolf  added  that it  would  be good  to set  up
con't
a clinic  as a  satellite  of a  general  hospital  for
this  purpose.
Senator  Croft  asked if  a $500,000  appropriation
would  stop drugs  at the  border.
Dr. Wolf  said  that the  wrong  borders  are being  discussed.
Dr. Wilson  said  that  it was  impossible  to police  all
of  Alaska's borders.
Dr. Wolf  said  that the  most  widely used  means  of
getting  drugs  into the  State  is  by air  cargo or 1st
class  mail.
Dr. Brown  pointed  out  that everyoneis avoiding  asking
the most  important  question--  why do people  take
drugs.
SB  125  Senator  Thomas  asked  the doctors'  opinion  about
SB  125,  relating  to abortions.
Dr. Wilson  made  two points:
(1)  The  price  could come  down  if  abortions
were done  in  a doctor's  office.
(2)  How  appropriate  is  it  for the State  to
  regulatethe practice  of  medicine,  and why
single out  this  one issue?
Dr. Brown  said  that  25% of  the abortions  done  in
this  State are  performed  on women  under  19.She
is  in  favor of  maintaining some  standards.
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  SB  125  Senator  Croft said  that there  probably  were  similar
  con't
  statistics  for other  problems,  which  are  regulated
 by  the Medical  PracticesBoard.
 Dr.  Joseph  Johnson,  President  ASMA,  said  that some
 regulationsare practical,and that  the  doctors in
 this  State  need  sufficient  experience  with  the
 problem.
  Dr. Brown  said  that she was  sure  the Committee  would
  ask women  who have  had abortionsto testify  before
  they make  up their  minds.
 Mr.  Ogden  queptioned  whether  the Board  could  set up
  standards.
) Senator  Croft said  that  in  New York during  the first
  trimester  of  pregnancy,  it  is  not required that an
  abortion  be performed  in  a hospital.
  Dr. Wilson  said  that doctors  in  Alaska were  getting
  better and  better  at  performing abortions,and an
  abortion  in  Alaska is  the cheapest  in  the country.
  Certificate Senator  Croft asked  their  opinion  of the  certificate
  of Need
  of  need legislation.
  Dr. Wilson  said  that they  were opposed  to  such legis-
  lation  because it  would  stifle  initiative  and imagina-
  tion.  In  almost  every case  there  will be  one anyway
  because Federalfunds cannot  be collected  withoutone.
  Dr. Wilson  asked  the Committee  not  to forget  about
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Family  theneed  for  moremoneyfor  Family Planning
Planning
SB  88  Senator  Thomas  said  thathe  hadintroduced a  bill
  appropriating$2500for  the  Health Information
  Services.
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 HEALTH~ EDUCATION; AND  SOCIAL  SKRYJ:CE.S CO.lJl!YlITTEE  ~EETING
February  23,1973 Friday
 8:30  a.m.
  Present: SenatorsThomas,  Croft,  and  Sackett
  SB  122  Ed  Frye  from  Clear  testified  about  the  proposed
  legislation  regarding State-Operated Schools.He
said  he had no  objection  to  "draft  #5"  from  SOS
  but  he  did object  to  SB  122.  Some  feel  that  it
  would  be  good  to go  ahead  with twelveregions.
Senator  Thomas  said  that the  bill  providesfor
  district  boards,which  can  give  as much  power  to
  local  boardsas they  wish.
) Mr.  Frye  said  that  there would  be  advisorylocal
  boards  underSB  122.  The  Departmentof  Education
  will  make  the  decisions. Change  should  not  happen
  overnight,but  there  should  be a  limit  of five  years.
Senator  Thomas  asked  if  the Tri-valleyarea  would
  be  ready  now.
  Mr.  Frye  said  yes.
Senator  Croft  asked  about  the suit  with  the  Department
of Education.
  Mr.  Frye  said  that  last  year they  wanted  a full
  high  school  program. The  SOS Board  approvedthe
9th  grade last  year,  so they  will  have  the 9th  grade
  this  year,  the  10th  next,  and the  11th  and  12th  the
  next  year.The  State  Board  passed  the  proposal.
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SB  122 In  May the  peopleweretold  thatthe  Department of
con't
 Education decision  would be  rescinded,  and  they
 wouldget  justthe  10th  grade.  Planninghas  been
  done  for  the  11th  and12th  grades.  The  peoplewere
  given  no  reasonfor  the  decision.
  SenatorThomascommented that  the  problemwas  the
  NenanaHigh  School,because children  were,  bused
  up to  Nenana.
  Mr.  Frye  said  thatthe  1970censusshows  the  same
  population in  Andersonas  in  Nenana.
SB  102 Jim  McClain'.fromthe'Department'of  Health  and, Social
  Serv~ces  said  that he  agreedwith  the  concept of the
) bill. "Psychological  associate"  might notbe the
  best  term  to  use. He  calledattention to the
  two-yearresidency requirement on  pagetwo.He  said
  the  mentalhealthstaff  in  the  Department  feel  the
  bill  is  generally in  agreementwiththeir  personnel
  policies.
  Chuck  Gib~ort,  Senator Sackett's  aide, said  thatthe
  bill  was  originally  from  Genie  Chanceand  FrankGold.
  Thereis  a need  to  register  psycho16gistswith  MA
  degrees.  The  Board  wouldestablish standards, and
  one  would  be  recognized by  the  Board.  The  bill  is
  an  attemptto  establish  professionalstandards and
  guidelines.
  Dr.  Aaron  Wolf,LangdonCl~nic,  said  that he  felt
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  SB 102we should  "wait  and  see."  The  graduate  level  program
  con't
  in  Alaska is  very new.
  Senator  Sackett  said  that the  graduates  are  just
  employed  by firms.
  Dr. Wolf  said  they can't  call  themselves  licensed
  psychologists.
  Senator  Thomas  asked  what the  position  of  the Board
  was.
  Dr. Wolf  said  that two  want  to wait  and see,  Al
  Parker  and one  other.
  Senator  Croft  said  that he understooda majorityof
) the Board  supported  the  bill.Al Parkerand Marie
  Doyle were  the  only  ones who  did not.
  Dr. Wolf  said  theMAlevel  courses  don't give  enough
  breadth.One  needs  a PhDDRegarding  jobs,  many
  people  with an  MA in  psychology  are  up against  those
  with MSWs.
  SB  149  Senator  Sackett  said  that he  introduced  the  bill  on
  request  on the  Enep'ut  Foundation,a day  care center
  in  Fairbanks.
  Mr. McClainsaid that  the  statute is  not broad  enough
  to include  day  care.Day care  suffered  greatly  at
  the loss  of Titles  IV  and XVI.He was  concerned
  about  how much  it would  cost.A quick  estimate,he
  said,  is $.5  million.
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SB  149  Senator  Sackett  asked  how  many  centers  and how  many
con't
children  would  be  affected.
Roger  Lange~  Comptrollerfo~ the  Departmentof Health
and  Social  Services,  said  that  day care  is  provided
for  242 children,178 full  time  and  64 half  time,  in
30 licensedday care  centers. In Southeast,$.75  an
hour  is  paid, and  $.80 per  hour  is  paid in  other
parts  of the  State.He  estimated  that  full  cost  of
care  would  be $22.75  per  full  day and  $11 per  half
day.He took  these  figures  from  proposalsfor
Title  IV grants.
Mr. McOlainsaid  there was  no  question  from  the De-
partment  that  it  was a good  thing.
Senator  Croft  moved  and  asked unanimousconsent  that
the  Committee  send  the bill  on  to the  Finance  Com-
mittee.There  was  no objection,and  it  was so ordered.
SB  35Gordon  Evans  from  Blue  Cross  said  that coverage  for
treatmentof alcoholism  wouldcost 20  cents  per
person  per  month,  and 20  cents  per  month for  the
spouse.It  will  cost $15,000  per  year  for  State
employees. The bill  would  require  that  the  benefit
be made  availableif people  wanted  it.A  proposed
amendment  would  providefor uniformityof licensing
standards  betweenfacilities  in  Alaska  and Outside.
He had  not  yet sent  a copy  to Mr.  Keating.
Senator  Croft  said  that  the critical  part  is  in-
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  5
SB  35 patient treatment~ and  he  didn'tsee  any  problemwith
con't
 the  definition  of  "facility."
 Mr.  Evanssaid  he  wantedto  makesure  that  they're
 qualified  places.
  SenatorThomasasked  if  the  proposed definition  would
 exclude some  facilities in  Juneau,Anchorage~ and
 Fairbanks.Thereis a  doctoron  call  in  the  Juneau
 program, and  it  is  okay.
 Mr.  Evanssaid  thatapproximately  8000  peopleare
  coveredunder  theState  program.  This  includes some
 municipal employees.
 JohnO'Shea,Insurance Division, said  that  he  had
)
 written to  some  of  the  majorcarriers,andsome  are
  already  providing  such  a  service. It  is  somewhat
  akin  to  psychiatric treatment, and  manycarrierstake
  a dim  view. Hospital treatmentis  alreadyincluded.
 He  askedfor  somelead  time  becausethereis  no
 uniformity  in  the regulations  of  otherstates.
  SenatorThomassaid  he  wouldlike  to  spend  moretime
  studyingthe  bill  andwould  liketo talk  with
 Mr.Keatingagain.
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TheEnep'ut  Foundation
Box80452
College,  Alaska 99701
February  5,1973
Mr.Lowell Thomas, Jr.
Chairman,  Health,  Education  andWelfare'
State  Senate
State  of  Alaska
Juneau, Alaska  99801
Dear  Mr. Thomas
A year  and  a  half  ago a  groupofeducated  youngpeople began
a  daycarecenter  for  chl1c.ren-  of.:students  and low-income  families
herein  College. Westarted  in  November of1971  withfive
children  andsoomgrewtothe  limit  of twentyeightkidsestablished
bythe  state  fire  marshall. We  continually  have a  large waiting
list of  families  who  would like  to  have  their  children  enrolled
hereat  Enep·ut.
During our  first  yearof  oneration  wegrewandlearned  a lot  about
thecareoflarge  groups  of  young children  whoare  forced by
theextreme  climate to  remain indoorsmorethan halfthe  year.
Wealsoexperienced  alf3:rge financialloss  during  ourfirst  year
ofbusiness--$20,000.  lhis  waseffset  by  several  large  donations.
Weare  a  non-profitorganization, butwe  cannot continue  to  depend
onlarge  donations to  ensure ou~ survival..
the  familieswhouseour  facilities  are mostly students  ar  the
Universityof  Alaska  and/or low  income families  someof  whom are
enrolled  inthe  state  AFDC  andWInprograms.Thestate  pays  us
only $5.00perday  'perchild  while  our  operating  expenses  are
$9.25  per  ctild  per day. ·We  urgeyouto  workforpassage'of  any
legislation that  would help the  survival  of  daycarecneters  in
AlasY.a, especially  that 'fbi 11  which  would- provide:Ufitll': cost"  of
care  for  children  whoseparents areenrolled'instate  programs •.
If  youhaveanyother sugfestions  as to  wherewemiphtbe  able
toobtain  funding, plea~e advise  us.
Thank you. for  your  support  and  anyinform.8tion.youmight be  able
to  provide  us.
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DermytS.  Mehner
Enen'ut  Foundation
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  HEALTH,  EDUCATION, AND SOCIALSERVICES  COMMITTEEMEETING
  February28, 1973  --  Wednesday
  8:30  a.m.
  Present:  Senators  Thomas,Croft,  and  Hensley
  SB  150Rick  Garnett  and  Peter  Partnow  from  the  Attorney
General'sOffice  testified.
Rick  Garnett  said  that  Sections3 and  5(a)  give
the Department of  Education  the powerto withdraw
schools  from  State-Operated Schools. He suggested
new  language  and  alternativesfor  Sections3, 4,
and  5(a).
Senator  Thomassaid  that we  should  make  sure  no
)
Impact  funds  are  lost  until  action  is  taken  on the
decentralization of  SOS.
Peter  Partnow,looking  at  it  as though  there  were
no other  legislation  pending, said  there  are  three
interpretations!
(1)The boroughtakes  over  the  schools
(a)if  an area is  no  longer  a base
(b)if  the Departmentof  Education
approves  the  operationof the  school
by the  borough
(2)SOS will  run  the  schools
(3)SOS will  operatethe  schools  until  the
Departmentof  Education  decidesotherwise,
whether  on  a base  or  not.
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 2
SB  150 Senator Thomasaskedwhy  notleaveSection5(a)
con't
  as  it  is.
  Senator Croftsuggested  waitingfor  Senator  Rader's
  comments.
  Mr.  _Garnettmentioned theimportance of  the  time
  limit.  Regarding thesuggested language changes,
  he  saidthat"and"  givestheDepartment of  Education
  maximum discrimination,and"or"  meansthat  both
  conditions  must  exist.
  Senator  Thomas  said  thathe  wasopposedto  giving
  theDepartment of  Education the  powerto  makethis
  decision  withoutthe  Legislature.
)
  Mr.Garnettsuggested  striking (2).
  Mr.Partnowsaidit  wouldno  longerpertain  toan
"adjoining  borough"but  wouldbe  partof  it.
  Mr.Garnettsaid  that "or"  maximized SQS'tenure.
Senator  Thomas had  twoconcerns;
(1) to protect Impactfunds
(2) to preserve therightof  the  Legislature
to  makethesedecisions
SenatorCroftsaid  thathe  wouldpassit  out  as  it
is  to getit  out.Thesituation  will  probablychange
  whenwe  decidewhatto  do  aboutSOS.
Senator  Hensley  said  he  didn't  mind passingit  out
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 3
SB  150 as  longas  it  goesto theFinance Committee.
con't
  Senator  Thomas  askedif  everyone was  in  favorof
  an  amendment  incorporating  thechangessuggested
  by  Mr.Garnettand  Mr.Partnow.  TheCommittee
  agreed to  the  amendment and  to  passing out  the
  bill.
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 A MEND MEN  T
BY  THE  HEALTH,EDUCATION AND
IN  THE  SENATESOCIALSERVICES COMMITTEE
 TO:CS  FOR  SENATEBILLNO.  150
Page1,  strike  outlines  25  -  28,  inclusive, and  insert:
  "A  military reservation  within  an  organized boroughis  not  part  of
 the  boroughschooldistrict  until  the military  reservationstatus
 is  terminated and,  thereafter, untilinclusion in the  borough
 school  district is  approvedby  the  Department of  Education."
Page2, line5,  strike  out"Unlessexer- n  and  strike  outlines6- 9,
inclusive, and  insert:
  "A  military reservation  within  an  organized boroughis  not  part  of
 )
 the  boroughschooldistrict  until  the  military  reservation  status
 is  terminated and,  thereafter, untilinclusion in  the borough
 schooldistrictis  approvedby  the  Department of  Education."
Page2,  strike  outlines  13  -  17,  inclusive, and  insert:
  "Theboard  of  thestate-operated  schools  manages and  controls
 schoolson military  reservations located  within an  organizedborough
until  the  military  reservation statusis  terminated and,  thereafter,
 so longas  management and  control  bythe  state-operated  schoolsis
approved by  the  Department of  Education."
Page3,  strikelines  1-2,inclusive, andinsert:
 *Sec;  7. "Notwithstanding  provisions of  this  Act,all  agreements
between organized  boroughs  and  the  Department of  Education for  the
 operationof  schoolson  military  reservations  that  weremade  priorto
 the  effectivedateof  this  Act  remainin  force."
Page3, Add*Sec.  8- "This  Act  takeseffecton  the  day  after  its  passage
 and  approvalor  on  the  day  it  becomeslaw  withoutapproval."~fJfIl'1J
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HEALTH,  EDUCATION,AND SOCIAL SERVICESCOMMITTEE  MEETING
March 1,1973--  Thursday
 Present~Senators  Thomas,  Hensley,Croft, and Sackett.
  SB  154Ge·or~e'" E'~s1.~Y," ·Cbhirrii'sslone·r"ofPUb'iic  Works,  appeared
to  testify  onthebill.
Senator  Hensley  explained  why heintroducedthebill
andasked what doesit mean  if  theFire Code is  being
violatedin  these schools.
Commissioner Easley  said  that  it  wasbetweenState-
OperatedSchools  and  theDepartment ofEducation.
They areassuming  their ownmaintenance.Twoyears
ago, Public Works estimated$2  million  plus tocor~
)  rect deficiencies.Itis  approximately  $2.6million
now.  Most of  thedeficiencies  involve minor  struc-
tural orelectrical  changes.  Thebuildingsshould
meet the  Fire Code.
Mr.Mar·shaTl  :from  Alaska  Btat·e....Op·eratedSehOG'ls was
,  < c .....
prese0t. Hesaid  he hadbeenonthe  job onlythree
weeks andfelt at  a  disadvantage.Hethought  the
money tocorrect  firedeficiencies  hadbeenthrown
outofthebudget.Hesaidtheonly choice wasto
close schools  orcorrect  thedeficiencies.Hesaid
hewould provide  the  membersof  theCommitteewith
information onspecific  deficiencies.
 SB150 ~'_  Senator  Thomas  said  that  theCommissioner of  Education
hadnoproblem  withtheproposedamendmentsonSB  150.
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SB  150Thelast  one  takescare  of  the  situation  in  Kodiak.
con't
 He  askedthe  Committee membersif theypreferred to
 makeindividual recommendations  on  this  bill.
  SenatorsThomas.and Croftrecommended "do  pass  with
  attachedamendment" and  Senator  Hensley recommended
 referring the  bill  to  theFinanceCommittee to review
 thefinancialimplications.
SB  139NatCole,  Department of  Education, said  thatthe
 bill  provides thatthe  State  willgive  backto a
  schooldistrict  haveof  the  second  prior  year's
 moneyspentfor  construction.Now  the  cigarette tax,
 Federal  money,  and  State  moneyare  ,all  deducted,and
  then  that  amountis  dividedin  half. The  amountfor
)FY73-74  is  $12-13  million.  In  SB  114  the  tobacco
  tax  will  be  deducted.
SB  170 SenatorThomassaid  that  regarding SenatorLewis'
 bill  regarding recall of advisory schoolboard
 members, he  would  liketo  wait  untilafter  the
 Department  of Education and  on-baseschoolpeople
 hadgot  together.
SB  171 SenatorSackettaskedif  it wouldprovidemore
 methadone programs.
  SenatorThomassaid  that  it  wouldprovidefor  whatever
  drug  abuse  programs were  appropriate.
  SenatorLewis  said  he  hadstrong  reservations  but
 he  wouldsupportit.
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SB  171  Senator Sackett askedif  it  wouldprovide for
con't
drugabuseeducation inschools.
Senators Thomas and  Hensley replied thatit  would
provide sucheducation on  a  state-wide  basisas  well
as  in  localschools.
Senator Croft  moved to  passthe  bill  out of  committee.
Therewas  noobjection,  and  it  wasso  ordered.
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HEALTH,EDUCATION, SOCIALSERVICES COMMITTEE MEETING
March5,  1973  - Monday
 8:30  a.m.
Present:  All  members of thecommitteeexceptSenator  Young.
 OtherspresentwereMr.  Bill  Overstreet,  Lobbyist,
 Association  of Alaska School  Boards; Mr.  Bob  Cooksey,
 Lobbyist, NEA-Alaskai Mr.DuncanRead,  Legislative
 Chairman of  the  Consortium on  Early  Childhood Educa-
 tioniand  Mr.  MelvinCharlie, Directorof  the  Satellite
  Mr.  Van  Houte)
 Tele-Communications Project.  (Commissioner Lindand  /
 Chairman Thomascalledthe  meetingto  orderand  called
 uponMr.  MelvinCharlieto  testifyon  SenateBill  165.
CHARLIEMr.  Charlie statedthe  Satellite  Tele-Commumcations
SE  165
 Projectwasstartedin  1971  witha ListerHill  Founda-
)
 tionGrant  and  thedecisionwas  madeto putin an
 educational  programinvolving approximately  21 villages.
 He  informed that  federalOEO  fundswouldbe  cut  off
 andSB 165  wasintroduced to continue the  project.
 Senator Croft  movedand  askedunanimousconsent that
 SB  165  passout  of  committeewitha do  pass  recommenda-
 tion p  and  therebeing  no  objection, it wasso  ordered.
  OVERSTREET Mr.  Overstreet  advisedthat  the  Association  of Alaska
  SE 56
 SchoolBoards'position was  that  SB  56  should  be
 changed to provide for  a longerprobationary  period
  SB 50and  elimination  of  the  five  year  evaluation.He  advised
 regarding SB  50  that  he  wouldsuggestit beamendedto
 deleteall  of  proposedparagraph  fouroIt  was  his
 3/5/73
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 OVERSTREET  position  that  most school districts  in  the  next few
')  SB  50
 years are  going to  be  forced to  reduce their staffs
 andtheyshouldbeableto  dismiss teachers  based on
 the
 instructional needs,  rather thandismissing/best  tea-
 chersjustbecause  of  tenure.
 COOKSEY --  Mr.Cooksey testified  thatthe  National  Association
 SCR38  and
 SB  50of  Teachers'  recommendation onSCR  38  wasthatthe
 StateBoard andDepartment  of  Education  dealwith the
 teacher evaluation  procedurethrough regulations.  He
 further commented  thattheassociationdid  notsupport
 SB  50sincethechildren would get  thebruntofreduc-
 ingstaff  and he  hada question  as  to  whowould determine
 instructional needsof  thedistrict  and  thequality of
I') SB  56teachers.Asregards SB  56,Mr.  Cooksey  stated  he
/
 supported  thebill~ position iri connection  with a  five
 yearreview, butfelt  the samelogicshould applyto
 probationaryteachers  --  theevaluation  procedure
 should be  given a trial  periodto  ascertain  howmany
 evaluationstakeplace.
 that
 VANHOUTE Mr.Van  Houterecommended/the  committee  take
 SB  56
 no  action on  SB56  untilanevaluation  process is
 developed.
 LIND--CommissionerMarshall  Lindtestified  thathe  supported
 SCR38
 SCR38  whichwould involve theDepartment  in  establishing
 SB  50a  mandatory  system of  teacher evaluation. Hefurther
 informed  thathe  feltSB  50shouldbegivenmorestudy.
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LIND  --CommissionerLind  stated  he  favored  a three  year
SB  56
  probationaryperiodfor teachers,but did  not  favor
  a  five year  periodicreview  where  tenure  rights  are
  reviewed.
OVERSTREET Mro  Overstreetinformed  that  by definitionall  certi-
  ficated  peopleare teachersunder  tenure  law and  any
  reductionin staff  necessarywould  include  administrators.
STIMSON
SB  56  Mr.  Terry  Stimson,  Directorof District  One  Education,
  said  he  opposed  a three  year  probationaryperiod  and
  recommendedthat  the  committee  not  act on  the bill  at
  the  present  time.
AdjournmentThe  meeting  was  adjourned  at  9:55  a.m.
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HEALTH, EDUCATION,AND SOCIAL  SERVICES  COMMITTEE  MEETING
March  5, 1973  - Monday
  2:15  p.mo
Present:All members  of  the committee  except  Senators  Sackett
  and Young.Others  present  were Mr.  John  O'Shea,
  Director,  Division  of Insurance;Mr. Gordon  Evans,
  Attorney  for Blue  Cross  Insurance  Company;  and Mr.
  John Keating,  Coordinator,State  Office  of  Alcoholism.
SB  35  Chairman  Thomas  called the  meeting  to order  and  called
  upon Mr.  Keating  to comment  on Mr.  Gordon  Evans' pro-
  posed  amendments  to SB  35.
KEATING Mr. Keating  objected  to  Mr. Evarn' proposal  wherein  it
  restricts  treatment  to  24-hour treatmentfacilities
  since most  of the  facilities  in Alaska  courd  not work
  with that  provision.He  informed  that there  are  only
  three  facilities  which  could meet  that definition--
  one in  Juneau,  one in Fairbanks,and one  in Anchorage o
  These three  facilities  would  be  in addition  to hospitals,
  but he  asserted  that most  hospitals  are not  properly
  equipped  to treat  alcoholism  per  se -- they  generally
  just treat  the medicalside effects.He  stated  that
  the
  there would  be  a minimal  effect  on/State  group policy
  because  most people  require  only  out-patient  treatment.
  However,  he thought  that  eventually  regulations  should
  be drawn  which would  permit  coverageof  outpatient
  treatment.
EVANSMr. Evans  informed  that  the insurance  cost  would be
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EVANS approximately 20¢ a  month  per  employee  or~out
SB  35
$15,000.a year  as  far as  the  State's  programwas
concerned.
KEATING  Mr.  Keating,in responseto a  query  by  Senator  Hensley,
said  he wouldresearch  the  questionof  whether  or not
the  Public  Health  Servicewould  be  required  to  treat
people  for  alcoholismunder  SB  35.
O'SHEAMr.  O'Shea  commentedthat  most  insurancecarriers
whom  he  asked  to commenton SB  35 indicatedthat
they  felt  the  legislationshould  limit  treatmentto
hospitalsand  not specialtreatmentcenters. He
recommendedthat  until  it  is determined that  facilities
other  than  hospitalsare  okay,  only  treatmentin hos-
)  pitals  be  covered.
KEATING  Mr.  Keating  stated  that  underSB 35  those  receiving
treatmentin hospitalswould  only  be  treatedfor the
side  effects  of  alcoholismand  then  transferredto
rehabilitation facilitiesfor  treatmentof the  disease
of  alcoholism.
Adjournment The  meeting  was  ~journed at2:50  p.m.
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  HEALTH EDUCATION,AND  SOCIAL SERVICESCOMMITTEE  MEETING
March8, 1973 -  Thursday
  8:40 a.m.
Present:Senators  Thomas,  Sackett  and  Croft.Also present
  were  Commissioner  Fred  McGinnis,  Departmentof Health
  and  Social  Services;  Mr. LawrenceSullivan,  Director,
  Division  of MedicalAssistance;  and  Mr. Ray  Manning,
  Legislative  AffairsAgency.Ms. Jeanette  Pitcherella,
  Acting  Coordinator,Office  of ComprehensivePlanning,
  was  also present.
SB  88 and Before  taking  testimony  from  witnesses,  Chairman
SB  154
  Thomas  moved  and asked  unanimous  consent  that  Senate
  Bill  88 (special  appropriation,Alaska  Health  Sciences
  InformationCenter)  and Senate  Bill  154  (special appro-
) priation,  State  Operated  Schools  to  correct  fire
  inspection  deficiences)be reportedout of  committee
  with  a do pass  recommendation. There  was no  objection
  and  it was  so ordered.
MCGINNISCommissionerMcGinnis  informed  that  the definliion of
SB  43
  consumer  could  be found  on page  four  of Ms.  Pitcherella's
  letter.He  further  stated  that the  Feds take  the posi-
  tion  that a person  who  has been  a provideror is married
  to  a provider  cannot  be categorizedas a consumer,  but
  is  a provider.The  Commissioner  had  no strong  feeling
  on whether  the  bill  should  provide  for 3 or  4 govern-
  ment  members  on the  advisory  council,  but stated  he
  felt  there was  no evidence  that  the  commissioner  as
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MCGINNIS chairman  of  the advisorycouncil  had  been  harmful.
SB  43
Under  Federal  law  51%  of the  advisory  councilhave
to be  consumers.
PITCHERELLA Ms. Pitcherella said the  governmentalmembershipof
SB  43
the councilshould  consist  of  one  from  local  govern-
ment,  one  from state  government,and  one  from  federal
government. The  nongovernmentalmembershipwould  be
composed  of  eleven  providersand thirteenconsumers,
for a  total  membershipof 24.
J).CGINNIS  CommissionerMcGinnisadvised  that  if  a vaaancy  or
SB  43consumer
death  occurred  droppingthe/membershipof  the  council
below  the  federally  required5l~ any  action  of  the
council  during  such  a periodcould  be questioned.
)  SACKETT  Senator  Sackett  movedand asked  unanimousconsent
SB  43Committee  Substitutefor
that/SB  43  be reportedout of  committee  witha do
pass  recommendation. There  was  no  objectionand it
was so  ordered.
MCGINNIS-CommissionerMcGinnis  recommendedthat  SB  196  (relating
SB  196
to medicalassistancefor needy  persons)be passed
since  the additionalwordingnand  intermediate"would
make  it possibleto get  federal  matchingfunds.The
Commissionersaid  if  there were  sufficient  funds
available  the  Departmentwould  recommend~ding mental
 he
and dentalservices  to  the bill,  but/didn'tfeel  such
a recommendation was advisablethis  year.
SULLIVAN Mr. Sullivaninformed  that  intermediatenursinghomes
SB  196
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 SULLIVAN willhave  to  meet  bothstate  andfederalstandards.
 SB 196
  SenatorThomas  movedand  askedunanimous consent
  that  SB  196  be  reportedout  of  committee with  a  do
 passrecommendation;  therebeing  no  objection, it
 wasso ordered.
  section 21 of
MANNINGMr.  Manning recommended that/SB35  (requiring treat-
 SB 35
 mentof  alcoholism be included in  group  healthand
  disabilityinsurance plans)be  left  as  originally
  drafted,but  acceptchangeproposedby  Mr.  Gordon
 Evansto  sectiontwo.
  SenatorThomas  requested that  Mr.Manningre-draft
  Senate  Bill35.
 Dr.Krause  testifying in  supportof  SB  156(relating
 to  bilingual education) stated  thatthe  increased cost
)
  createdby SB  156  wouldnot  be  due  to  loweringthe
 minimumnumberof  pupils (thus  creatingmoreschools
 whichare  eligible to participate  in program), or
 hiringmoreteachers,but  to  building more  schools;
  and thiswould  dependon  how  manyschool  boardsrequest
 a  nativelanguageteacher.
  SenatorThomasstated  SB  156  wouldbe  hold  for  further
  consideration on  a  later  date.
Adjournment  The  meeting was  adjournedat  9!36a.m.
 3/8/73
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 HEALTH, EDUCATION,AND SOCIAL  SERVICES  COMMITTEE  MEETING
  March  17,  1973 - Saturday
 8:45  a.m.
  All members  of the  committee  except Senator  Sackett  were  present.
  The committee  agreed  to pass  out of the  committee  the following
  bills and  resolutions:
 SB  64  do pass  recommendation
 SB  208 do pass  recommendation
 SB  170 Senator  Thomas,  do pass;  Senators  Croft and
Hensley,  no recommendation
 SCR  38 do pass  recommendation
  The meeting  was adjourned  at  9:00 a.~:
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HEALTH, EDUCATION,AND SOCIAL  SERVICES  COMMITTEE  MEETING
  March  20,  1973 - Tuesday
  8:35  a.m.
 Present:Senators  Thomas,  Croft  and Sackett.
 HB  314 The  committee  unanimously  agreed  to report  HB 314
(relating  to medical  assistancefor needy  persons),
which  is identical  to  SB 196  (previously  passed by
the  Senate) out  of committee  with  a do pass  recom-
mendation.
 SB  102 The  committee  considered  Senate  Bill 102  (relating  to
the  licensing  of psychologistsand psychological
associates)  in  view of  receiving  additional  written
testimony,  and  unanimously  agreed  to report  it out
)  of committee  with  a do pass  recommendation. Those
who have  endorsed  SB  102 are The  Department  of Health
and  Social Services;  the  Association  of Psychologists;
Dr. Koutsky,  of  the Alaska  Psychiatric  Institute,and
Dr. Cliff  Hunt  of the BehavioralSciences  Division,
University  of Alaska.
 SB  125 The  committee  also considered  Senate  Bill  125 (relating
to abortions)and passed  it out  of committee  with  the
following  individual  recommendations:
Senator Thomas  - no  recommendation,a JUdiciary
Committeedecision
Senator  Craft - do  pass recommendation
Senator  Sackett -  do pass recommendation
 Adjournment:  The meeting  was  adjourned  at 9:00  a.m.
3/20/73
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 HEALTH,EDUCATION, AND  SOCIALSERVICES COMMITTEE MEETING
\March  21,1973  --  Wednesday
 J 8:45a.m.
 PresentwereSenatorsThomas, Croft,and  Sackett.
 FrankEaton,OlderPersonsActionGroup,testified  before  the
 committee.The  minimumpaymentfor  Old  AgeAssistance has  been
 $250. Afterthe  Federalgovernment takesoverOAA  January1st,
 everyone will  get  only$130. The  peoplewho  need  it  the  most
 aren'tgetting  what they  need. The  minimum paymentneedsto be
  $350.Therehas  beena Housebill  introduced to  provide for
  $350.
 The  FosterGrandparent  Programis  in  jeopardy.  Thirty-two
 peoplehavebeen  involved.  Duringthe  firstsix  monthsof  the
 program, there-has  been  a  93%  attendance rate,five  daysa
 week. The  program has  been  a  successful one. However,the
 )
  $1.65  per  houra personreceives is deducted from  hisOAA
 payment.  Many  peoplewon'tbe  able  to  affordthatdeduction.
 The  Veterans Administration  can  disregard the  longevity  bonus
 forone  year,  but  then  musttakeit  into  consideration  when
 providing benefits.  The  waiverforOAA  was  denied,and  ended
  last  Thursday.  The  longevity bonusis considered income for
 determining  eligibility  for foodstamps,too.
 Mr.  Eatonemphasized  "holding  theline  on  $250."
 The  meeting was  adjourned at  9:15.
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 HESSCOMMITTEE  MEETING
 March 22~  1973 --  Thursday
 9:00a.m.
\
}
  Present:Senators Thomas,  Croft, and  Sackett
 HB255 Representative AndyWarwick testified  on  HB255.
 He  said  that theone  change would clarify  what  was
 passed last  year.  Thebill  affects  about 100teachers
 acrosstheState.It  willcost$100~000 from the
 teachers'  retirement  fundthis  year,butit  willcost
 lesseachyear.  The  actuariansare  notoverly con-
 cerned aboutthecost.
 He  suggested  an  amendment  to  make the  effective  date
 retroactiveto  the1st  of  thisyearwhen the  lawwent
 intoeffect.  Thatwould makeit  moreconsistentwith
 the  intent of  thebill.
 Senator Croft askedwhatwasthe  problem  withthe
 language being deleted.
 Representative Warwick said  that it  would clarify  the
 intent of  the  bill.  It  mayentail a  rateadjustment,
 but  it  wouldn't  be  much.
 Senator  Thomasaskedif the  members agreedto  pass
 out  thebill  with thesuggested  amendment. All  present
 agreed.
  HB  277 Senator Thomas mentioned  thatthis  bill  wouldbe
 of  helpto  Jamie Loveand  hisproject in  Anchorage.
 )
 Marshall Lind, Commissionerof  Education,said  that the
 bill  would begoodfor  foreign  study  programs,for
 contracting  with the  University,andfor  many other
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  2
HB  277  programs.He  stronglysupports the  bill. It  will  be
con't
 especially  helpful  for  smalldistricts.  It  willopen
up  opportunities  fordistricts  totry  newthings.
 Dan  Turnerfrom  Dillingham supports the  bill. It
wouldmakeit  financially feasible for  smallschools
 to  offer  special courses,suchas aviation.It  should
 not  cost  any  moremoney.
 Commissioner Lindadded  thatdistricts  will  have  to
 negotiatewithproviders of  the  educational services.
 It  would  not  increase the  numberof  instructional
 units  to  whicha  districtis  entitled.
 SenatorThomasaskedif the  members agreedto  pass
)the  bill  out  of  committee.All  presentagreed.
 The  meetingwas  adjourned at  9:20  a.m.
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  HEALTH,EDUCATION,  AND  SOCIALSERVICES COMMITTEEMEETING
  March23,  1973-- Friday
  9 : 00 a.m.
Present:SenatorsThomas, Croft,and  Sackett
SB  213 Bill  Overstreet,.  Ass'o'ciatitJno'f AlaskaSchoolBoards,
  said  thatnearlyeveryoneendorses and  supports the
  bill,including schooldistricts,  the JC's,  Native
  associations,  the  National SchoolBoard  Association,
  and  the  StateSchoolBoardAssociation.This  bill
  is  the  biggestbargain in  government.  A  district
  must  havea planacceptable to  the  Department of
  Education in  order  to  receive a grant.
  Marshall Lind,Cbmmissionerbf  Education,  supported
) the  bill.
  SenatorCroftmovedthat  the  bill  besent  to  the
  FinanceCommittee witha unanimous "do  pass"recom-
  mendation.  Therebeingno  objection, it  was  so
  ordered.
  Mr.  Overstreet commented thatthe  Anchorage REFOCUS
  had  recommended  the  concept. A  similar  bill  is still
  in  the  HouseFinanceCommittee; the  onlyopposition
  is  to  the  $375,000.
HCR63Representative  LavellWilsontestified  on his  reso-
  lution.  He presented to  the  Committee a  written
  statement detailing  why Delta  Junction  needs  addi-
  tionalfacilities in  its  highschool. He  said  that
  it  seemsthat  the  mainobjection  tothe  resolution
 ..3/~31'1
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 2
 ,
HCR  63 is  thatit  is  "robbing  Peter to  payPaul." However,
con't
  he  noted,thebond  proposal did  notspecify  the
  locations.
  Senator  Thomas  askedthe  Commissioner  aboutthe
  statusof  thetwelvedesignated areas.
  Commissioner  Lindsaid  thateight  projects  will  be
  started  this summer, and  planning has  beendonefor
  eightor  nineareas. Thisis  the  first  timethata
  bondissuepassedin  November and  the  projects began
  the  nextsummer.  He  said  he  knowstheneed  at  Delta,
  but  hedidn'tthinkthe  moneyshouldcomefrom  this
  already-designated $16  million.He  opposesthe
) resolution.TheDepartment is  goingaheadwith
  planning for  theothersites. He  didn'tknowthe
  feasibility  of  DeltaJunction starting  this summer
  if money wereavailable.
  Senator Sackett  requested  thatthe  resolution  be
  discussed thenext  day.
  Senator Thomasagreed, and  said  thatthe  tenurebills
  wouldbe  helduntillater,also.
  Senator Croftasked  whichprojects willnot  start
  thissummer.
  Commissioner  LindnamedKipnuk,Kwethluk,  St.  Lawrence
  Island, Nunapitchuk,  and  NelsonIsland.  He  saidthat
  planning andsite  acquisition  will  go  ahead.  Usually
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3
  HCR 63  there  is a  36 month  time period  from  passing  of a
  con't
 bond  issue  to completion. There  is  no high school
 facility  in  nearly  every  location  on the  list  of
 twelve  sites.If  $1.5 million  comes  out  for Delta
 Junction,Commissioner  Lind  felt that  the  Committee
 should  also  recommend  which  location  will  not get
 its  school.
 Senator  Croft  mentioned  the  bill  to correct  fire
 deficienciesin State-operatedschools,  and  said
 that  the bill,  requiring$2 million,  probably  won't
 come  out  of Finance.There  are  143 communities  which
 don't  have  any school  at  all.  It  is  a question of
 priorities.
)Senator  Thomas  asked  what  effect  a merger  or contrac-
 tual  arrangement  between  Ft.  Greeley  and  Delta
 Junction  would  have  on this  problem.
 CommissionerLind  replied  that it would  not  help.
 New  money  is  needed for Delta  Junction.
  SB 225  By  unanimous  agreement  of  the Committee,SB 225
 was  passed  out of  the Committee.
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  HEALTH,EDUCATION,  AND  SOCIALSERVICES COMMITTEE MEETING
  March24,  1973--  Saturday
"\
 J
 9:00  a.m.
 Present:Senators Thomas,Croft,and  Sackett.
 C8HB181am  Stuart  Hall,.  Legislat"iVeAffairs  Agency,explained
the  changes the  bill  wouldmake:
 (1)Therewould  bea policycommittee, rather
 than  a  selection  committee.
 (2)Membersappointed  by theGovernorwould
 serve  at  his  pleasure.
The  committee's  name  is  changed throughout.  The
committee was  not  to  be  subject to theAdministra~
tiveProcedures Act  becausethechairmanof  the
subcommittee  for  HigherEducation, Ed  Merdes,
thought it  would  be  too  cumbersome forthis  com-
mittee.  As  long  as  the  students get  a  summary,it
is  sufficient.
Senator Croft  thought the  APA  shouldapply.
Mr.  Hallsaid  thatSection6  was  a matter of clarifi-
cation.  The  changein  Section7  was  because students
at  Sheldon  Jackson  paid  lessin  fees  thanstudents
at  the  community college in Sitka.  The  new  language
in  Section 8 provides for  a fiscalcommittee.The
changein  Section 9 clarifies language.  In  Section 10
"non-public  sources"is  moreclearlydefined.
RepresentativeBeirnesaid  that"tuition, fees,  room
and  board" should  notbe  includedin  "non-public
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  3
CSHB  181am than  the grantitself  is  worth.Section  16 defines
con't
a consortium.  Add betweenlines  28 and  29 a  technical
amendment,to  change  the name  of  the committee.
SenatorSackett  asked  about  reducing  22.5%  to  20%.
Mr.  Hall  said  that the  figure  was  a compromiseone.
SenatorGroh had  felt  that  15% was  right  to  Sheldon
Jackson  becauseit  is  a small school.
CSHB  180Mr.  Hall  said  that under  this  bill  the  Commissionis
(Finance)am
authorizedto  appoint  an executiveofficer  and  staff
as  it  feels are  appropriate. There  is  a question
about  the  legislatorson the  Commission. The  Finance
Committeereduced  the  number  of public  membersto
includetwo legislators. Legislators should  be added
to  the Commission,which  would  raise  the  membership
to  13.The State  must  have  such  a Commissionin  order
to  receive  Federal  planning  money,especially  for
vooationaland  technical  courses. In  the past,  the
directorsof  the higher  educationalinstitutions  have
gotten  togetheronly  as the  result  of  crisis  or on  a
whim.This  will  be  the first  voice  communitycolleges
will  have  had.The  fiscal  note  for the  House  Finance
Committeeincludes  three  positions. The  Tuition  Grant
Programwould  come under  the  Commission.
Charles  Ferguson,UniVers'ity  of  Alaska,  said  that  the
U  of  A  would support  the bill  but  that  they have
 several  concerns  about  the  version  which  was  passed
by  the House. He ~as particularly concernedabout
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4
 CSHB 180the language  on page  4 (b)  (1) which  says that the
 (Finance)am
-\
  ) con'tCommission  "shall"  assist in  the development  of  a
comprehensive  coordinated  plan.
Senators  Croft and  Thomas  suggested changing  "coor-
dinated"  to "coordinating"on page 4,  line 29.
Mr. Ferguson  said  that he favored  five  at-large  or
lay representatives.
Mr. Hall  said  that there was  a problem  with having
all  the members  confirmed by  the Legislature  because
at least  two~  and perhaps three,  members  would already
have been  confirmed.He  said  that  members should
serve  at the pleasure  of  whoever has  appointed them.
He suggested  an amendment  on  page 3~  to line 2  (b).
Senator  Thomas asked  if  there were any  objections  to
the amendment.There  were none,  and  it  was adopted.
Mr. Hall  said  that no interest  group had  been left
out in  the drafting  of this  legislation.
Senator  Thomas, with  the concurrenceof  the members,
held both  the bills  until the  Committee  could meet
again.
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 HEALTH,  EDUCATION,  AND SOCIAL  SERVICES  COMMITTEE  MEETING
  March  29,  1973 - Thursday
  8:40  a.m.
Present:  Senators  Thomas,  Croft  and Hensley.Others  present
 were  Representatives  Fritz,  Specking,  Haugen,  and  Dr.
 Roy  Box, an optometrist  practicingin Juneau.
 Chairman  Thomas  called  the meeting  to order  and called
 upon  Representative  Ernie  Haugen  to comment  on CSHB  42
 (Fin.)  amended.
HAUGEN  - RepresentativeHaugen  stated that  the original  request
CSHB 42
~ended for  each community  owned  hospital  was for  $25,000,  but
 sometime  thereafter  the  formula  of $1,000  per bed was
 developed.He  advised  that the  Alaska State  Hospital
 Association,  The  Alaska  State  Medical Association,and
)the  Department  of Health  and Social  Services  all  fully
 supported  CSHB  42 (Fin.)  amended  (revenue  sharing  for
 hospitals  and  health  facilities).CSHB 42  amended  will
 cost  approximately  $300,000  and  it  specifies in the
 definition  of hospitalthat the  Department  of Health  and
 Social  Services  determines  what  constitutes  a general
 hospital.
FRITZ -RepresentativeMilo Fritz  said  that passage  of CSHB  33
CSHB 33
amendedamended  is  needed so that  a board  can be  established  for
 the  licensing  of dispensing  opticians.At  the present
 time  anybody  can legally  advertize  himself  as an optician
 and with  a prescriptionmake artificlil eyes  and fit  con-
 tact  lenses.The bil~ through  establishmentof a boar~
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 'r \
FRITZ - setsup  basic educational,professional and  technical
CSHB 33
 amendedrequirements for  opticians,and  thereby  protects  the
  public against  amateurs.Representative Fritz further
  informed  thatthere is  presently  no  control overwho
  canfillcontact lenses andeyeglasses  prescriptions.
  Also, the  bill  requiresno  funding.
BOX- Dr.Boxcommented  thatthe  optometrylaw  implies  that
CSHB 33
amended people,suchas  opticians,whofit  contact  lenses cannot
  doso  without a  license  (an  optometric  license),  however,
  theAttorney  General refused to  prosecute.  (Dr.  Box
  readanexcerpt froma  letter  and presented  proposed
  amendmen~to thebill--  both of  theseareattached.)
  Dr.Boxstated  he couldonlysupport CSHB 33  amended
) withhisamendments  making it  illegal  for  opticiansto
  fit  contact  lenses,  since professional judgments  were
  required  in  thefitting of  contact  lenses,  andopticians
  arenot  trained  or  qualified  to  makesuchjudgments.
FRITZ - Representative Fritz testified  thathe  wanted the  bill
CSHB33
amended left  the waythe  committee  received  it  since it now
  provides  thatopticians  areto  be  under the  general
  supervisionof  a  licensed  optometristor  opthamalogist.
  He  stated  the  bill  would upgrade  opticians,  butwould
  notgivethemanything they don'talready have --  they
  cannot diagnose;  theycanonlyfill  prescriptions.~
 """'" GIIltA~
CSHB33  am By  unanimous  consent thecommittee  passed CSHB33  am~and
and
CSHB42  am CSHB42  am  outwitha  do  passrecommendation.
AdjournmentMeeting adjourned  at  9:32 a.m.,reconvened  at1:50  p.m.,
  and  then adjourned  at  2:17p.m.
  3/29/73
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  PHONE 586 :2  13~
OR 586 25U!
  DR.  ROY  A~ BOX  andDR.  GILBERT H.  KEMP
  OPTOMETRISTS
  61 1 WiLLOUGHBY  A VO'.JUE j\Y--JEAU AL/~SKA 9980 i'
 -3-
 Page7,  line  29  is  probably the mostimportant sentence in  th~ entire
 legislation.and  would allow  a  layman  toassumeprofessional  responsibility
 for  whichhe  is  not  trained.  Thereis  no  requirement to  showcompetency
 underthisact  to  fit  contactlenses.  Coursesgiven  bycontactlens
 companies do  not  provide adequatetraining  in this  fieldand  usually are
 a  salestype  of  program.  The  fitting of  contattlensesrequires a high
 degreeof  professional  skill  andknowledge whichin  my  opinioncan  not
 be  learned  by the  apprenticeship  method.  If  you  will  examine the  previous
 testimony presented to  the  Healthand  Welfare Corrnnittee  concerning the
 fitting  of contactlensesit  is  considered to  bea  mechanicalprocessby
 theopticianthe  sameas  assembling a pairof  glassesis  a  mechanical
 process.  Anytime  a personwhoattempts to adapta  foreignbodyto  the
 tissuesuchas'thecornea  which has  a highly complexand  sensative:system
 of  metabol.ism considersthisa mechanical  processthereis  demonstrated
 lackof  appreciation  for  the  function of  this  tissueand  certainly a  lack
 of  sophistication  inthe  approachto  the  problem.  The  problem of  who
 shallfit  contact lensesis  furthercomplicated by  a  relatively complex
 formof  contactlensfittingcalledOrthoKaratology.This  is  a  rapidly
)developing  field  wherein a seriesof  contact lensesare  fit  overa period
 of  timeto  reducerefractive errors.  The  practioner  who fitscontact.lenses
 to  purposely changetheshape  of  the  anterior segmentof  the  eye,the  cornea,
 mustbe  a welltrainedhighlyskilled individual.  Do  theopticians intend
  to engage in thisfieldof con~act lens  fitting if  this  bill  is  passedas
 it  is  presently  writteri.
  If  this  legislation  were  rewritten to  eliminate someof  discrepancies
  so thatwho  may  and  may  nottake  the  examination  for  opticianary  and  the
 requirementsfor  examination  were  specifically  stated  so  thatthereis
 no  opportunity  by  the  Boardof  Opticianary to  decide  whois  and  whois  not
  qualified to  take  the  examination,  and;  if  the  grandfather  clause  were
 written so  that  the  persons grahtedlicensure underthe  grandfather  rights
 hadat  leastthe  same  qualificationsas the  person applyingfor  licensure
  then  it  approaches a  point  whereit would be  acceptable to  the  profession
  of optometry.Thislegislation  certainly  is  also  not acceptable if  the
  opticians  with no  academic trainingor  background in  thefeildof  health
  care  is  allowedto  engagein  the  art  andscienceof  contactlensfitting
 because he  considers a contact lens  a  highlyvaluablepieceof  meichandi~e.
  Whenlicensure is  grantedto barbers, beauticians,  etc.they  must
 meetspecific  academic  ·requirements  and theirtraining is  uniformthrough
  out  the  nationas  is  the  training for  .the  ~ajor health care  professions.
 Thislegislation  does  not  require any  uniformity of  training  which in  my
 opinion is  vitally  necessary  if  the  Stateis  goingto  licenseopticians
 \  ,as a  gr~up of people. No  other  profession  or  licensed  vocatiqn  presently
 hasthis  latitude in  our  State.
 *If  the  grandfather  rightclauseis  held  iri its  presentformI could
 applyforlicense? Afterall  I  have  pastexperience in  yourofficeand.
 we  havea  lab.  Gayle  Bodda3/:).,Q/13 t.JE~S·~
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The
  ALASKA  OPTOMETRICASSOCIATION
 )  "  ......ILI"TED WITH
 AMERICAN OPTOMETRIC  AS.OCIATION
 i
  ProposedAmmendments For  HB No.  33
  Submitted  by the Alaska  Optometric  Association
  Page3, line  6 delete  following: Contactlenstechnology,
  Page8, line25 add period 'after  humaney~ delete  remainderof  line
  Page8, line  26  throughline  29 delete
  Page9, lineland  2delete
  Page8, line25after  above  deletion  add: Thisact  shall not  be interpreted
to allow the fitting  of  contactlenses  by anyone  otherthan
an optometristor  physician.
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 A  MEN D MEN  T
  )
 Offeredin  theSENATE  By H(~al th I Education· and
 Social Services Commjttee
 To:  SENATE  BILL  NO.
cs HOUSE BILL  NO.33
.Af·IENDMENT :Page  3Line14'~J. q
Dente items"(1) through (4) ,.a:ldrenumber accordingly.
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  HEALTH,  EDUCATION,  AND  SOCIAL  SERVICES  COMMITTEE  MEETING
  March  31,  1973  - Saturday
10:00 a.m.
Present:Senators  Croft,  Hensley  and  Thomas.Also  present
  were  RepresentativeMilo Fritz;  Dr.  Don Dafoe,  Vice
  President  for  Public  Service,  Universityof Alaska;
  and Mr.  Don  Magnuson,  Lobbyist  for  Alaska  Retail
  Association.
  Chairman  Thomas  called  the  meeting  to order  for
  considerationof House  Bill  161  (relating  to eyeglass
  and  sunglass  lenses)  and House  Bill  216  (relating  to
  separate  statewideadminiaration,U of A).
FRITZ  --  RepresentativeFritz  stated  HB 161  would bring  our
HB  161
  safety  lenses  and glass  lefise~  into conformity  with
  new  federal  regulations.
HB  161 andThe  committee  unanimously  voted  to  pass HB  161 and
CSHB  151
  CSHB  151  (Alaska Council  on  the Arts  -- Grants  for
  youth  cultural  activities)out of  committee  with  do
  pass  recommendations.
DAFOE  --  Dr.  Don Dafoe  testified  in  support  of HB 216  (relating
HB 216
  to  separate  statewide  administration,U of  A).
AdjournmentThe meeting  was  adjournedat 10:30  a.m.
  3/31/73
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HEALTH, EDUCATION, ANDSOCIALSERVICES COMMITTEE MEETING
---\
/ ( April1,  1973--  Sunday
 1:00  p.m.
 Present:Senators Thomas, Hensley, Croft,andSackett.
 GSHB86  RepresentativeChance said  thatthe  bill  allows the
Boardof  Nursing to  hirea personwithout a  BA  degree
as  theirexecutive  officer.
RepresentativeBeirne said  thatthe  bill  alsopro-
videsfora nurseto  become a sortof  physician's
assistant.
Therewereno  objections  to  passingthe  bill  out of
Committee;  it  was  so  ordered.
)
 CSHB128 RepresentativeBeirne explained the  bill.  It  defines
 "group  home" and  allowsthe  Department  of  Health and
Social Services to  make  regulations  especially  for
grouphomes.  All  licenses willbe  issuedfora period
of  oneyear  andthey  mustthenbe renewed.A  license
maybe  revokedat  anytime  without noticewhenthe
 "health  orwell-being  of  children  is  in  jeopardy."
Otherwise  the  Department mustgive30  (instead of  90)
days'notice.
Therewereno  objections  to passing the  bill  out of
Committee;  it  was  so  ordered.
 HB  70amRepresentativeChance said  thatthe  bill  hadbeen
worked on  for  two  yearsby  theJuneauBar  Association
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2
HB  70amand  theadoptions people.  It  is  endorsedby  the
con't
  American Bar  Association  and  by  the  Department  of
  HealthandSocialServices.  A  position  paper by  the
  Department  is  attached.
  BarryJacksonpresented  an  amendment which  wouldallow
  an  adopted child  to  inherit from  hisnaturalparents.
  Senator Croftsaid  thathe wouldreally like  to  get
  to  thisbill  thisyear. He  thoughtMr.Jackson's
  pointwas  a  very  goodone  and  wouldliketo  see  it
  considered.
  RepresentativeBeirnesaidthat  the  billstill  allows
  for  private adoptions, butit  says  "a  person" should
  lookover  the  home.
)
  RepresentativeChancesaid  thatthe  Department  approves
  of  the  bill  andit  has  beenstudied  bya  numberof
  groups aroundthe  State.
  Senator Croft  movedto  passthe  bill  andMr.  Jackson's
  amendment outof  the  Committee.  Therewereno  objec-
  tions, and  it wasso  ordered.
HCR79The  members of  the  Committee ag~eed to passout  of
  Committee HCR79.
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POSITION  PAPER  RELATIVETO
  HOUSE  BILL  70
The  Departmentis  in  favor  of House  Bill70 becauseit is  comprehensive,
pertinent, and  speaks  to ,the  needs of  children. House  Bill  70  is  based
 on  a  revised  uniform  adoption  act  drafted by  the  National Conference  of
 Corrnnissioners on  uniform  state  laws. It  also  received  approvalof  the
American  Bar Association.
 Several  sections  of  this  bill  attempt  to  deal  with  the  so-called  '~lack
market"operationsin  children. While  the  bill  does  not  prohibit  private
placementof  children,it attemptsto  discourage  black  market adoptions
 and  cavalier planning  when a  child's  future  life  is  at  stake.
 Section  20.15.100established  the  procedure for  investigations.  In private
placements, the  first  opportunity  to  secure  knowledge of  the existence 'of
 the child mayarise  as  a  result  of  the adoption petition.The  assumption  :
 of  this  section  is  that  the court  is  entitled to  the"expert'I judgementof .,
the  placementagency  or  ,other  official  making  the  investigation.It  speaks
 to fue rights  of  the child  to  have  an  obj ective  opinion  that  related  to  his
 future  welfare.
)Only 'one-seventh  of  the  total  numberof  adoptions  in Alaska  areagency  related.
 In  other  states,  the  reverse  is  true  because  they  have  statutes  that  offer
 some  safeguardsto the  placementof  children.
The  total  number  of  completed  adoptions in  1970  in Alaska  was742.Of  this
number,only  106 werethrough  the  aegis  of  an  agency. (For 1971  a  total
 of  733 adoptions  werecompleted.)
  'Breakdown  by  Court
All  Cases  Agency  Cases
Juneau  49  7
Ketchikan  34  4
Anchorage466 64
Fairbanks 15227
Nome  ':-414
742106
Of  the  742,  321  had a  step-parent  involved  in  adopting  the  child of  their
 spouse.  , This section  of  the  bill  is  not concerned with this  group  but  with
the  315  cases  that  neither  an  agency  or  a  step-parent were involved.
The  finalsections  of  the  bill  relate  to  subsidized  adoption.  (Section
 20.15.190- 20.15.240),
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  -2-
  Subsidized  adoption  must  be  seen  asan  adoption  case,  not as· a  case  of·
  continued  foster  care.An  evaluation  of  thefamily's capacity  to  be
  adoptive  parentsis  theessential  first  step.  Consideration  of  the  need
  forsubsidy  should  follow  the evaluation,  not  precede  it,  and become  the
  determining  factor.
  Whoare  someof  thechildren  in Alaska who  could benefit  bythe  passage
  of  thislaw?
'~~'-" ..
Two  brothers,  ages14  and  16 years ,  Native  Alaskan  and  Caucasian,
 .......wholived  in  one  home  for  the  past five  years.  Yhrit godyrt
mother.  nolonger  has a husband  and  she  cannot  afford  to  raise  the
children without financial  help. But  she  would be  willing  to
adopt  them  and  they  look  on  her  as their mother.
  Aneight year  old  Caucasian  girl. Hercentral  nervoussystem was
extensively  damaged  by a  difficult birth.  Thefirst  two  years  of
her  life  she was  grossly  neglected  by  immature  parents. She  was
  placed  in her present  foster. home  whenshe  was2-1/2  years old
but  she  tested  at  the  mental  age of  three  months.Her  foster
mother  became  involved  in  an  educational  coursedealing with  neu-
rologically  impaired  children.  BySeptember  1969,  the  child's
vocabulary  included  several  hundred  wordsand  she  knew  the  lyrics
 } of  40  songs.  Shecan  spell many  wordsand  count  to 50. Her
speech  is  labored  and  stilted and  she  is  on  medication  for  the
convulsions  that  she  occasionally  experiences.Therelationship
between  this  little girl and her  foster father  is  necessaryfor
., her  survival.They  would  like  to  legally  adopt  her,but  they  have
five  biologicalchildren  and  a  modestincome.  Theyfear  that by
 :."."'l...:, •adopting  her,  they  would  deprive  her  of  advantagesof  special
schooling  and  tn1limi ted medical  care.
Society has  assumed  the  responsibility  for  protecting  children who lack
families of  their  own.  Manychildren have  been legally  and  permanently
separated  from  their  biological  parents  for  years.  They  face a  bleak
futureas  they  grow  up in  institutionsand  agency  boarding  homes.They
are  stmject  to  the  hazardsof  multiple  placements  involving'new  adjust-
  ments.and  to  feelings of  rootless  and  beingdifferent.
There  would  be  no increased  cost  to  theState, since  the  public  findsare
already  availableand  in use for  foster  care.There is  also  strong  evi-
  dence  that  subsidized  adoption would  representsavings in  community  money
  nowspent  to  repair  the  damage children  sustain when  deprived  of pennanent
family  ties.
  KS/amc
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 HEALTH, EDUCATION,AND  SOCIALSERVICES COMMITTEEMEETING
  April6,1973  -  Friday
 1:35  p.m.
  Present:Senators,  Croft,Harris, Hensley,  Sackett and Thomas.
Also  present was RepresentativeHelenBeirne.
 Chairman Thomas calledthemeeting to order  for con-
 sideration  of SenateBill  256 (exclusionofcertain
 incomefrom the  computationofstate  old  age assistance),
 and SB258 (administrationof theprogram  ofaid for
preschoolexceptional children).
  SB256SenatorCroftoffered anamendment  to SenateBill  256
whichatline  17woulddelete"as a  stipend  by  parti-
 cipation inafostergrandparent orsimilar  program."
 andreplace with  "in any manner."
)
 The committee  byunanimousconsentvotedtoreport
 SB256 out ofcommittee  with  a  dopass  as amended,
 and it wassoordered.
  SB258Informationreceived  onSenateBill  258 indicates
 '.
 "<~~
 that it  transfers funds  from  the DepartmentofHealth»",
 ;..
 and SocialServices tothe Departmentof Education,
 if  any  funds  are available.  The DepartmentofHealth
 andSocial Services and the DepartmentofEducation
 supportthe bill,and there  isno cost involved.*
 AdjournmentThe meeting was adjournedat  2:05  p.m.
 *  SenateBill  258was,  by  unanimous  consent,passedout
of committee  with  a  dopass  recommendation.
)
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I.
 HEALTH, EDUCATION,ANDSOCIALSERVICES  COMMITTEE  MEETING
January  23,1974
  9:00a.m.
Present:Senators  Thomas, Croft and  Hensley
GENERAL:Priorto  meeting being called toorder,there was
  a general  discussion.betweenSenators  Thomas and
  Croftconcerningthe  runaway  children's  billand
  drunkin  public' bill. Richard  Hackett, the
  Committee'sStaff  Assistant, wasaskedto  obtain
  current informationon  these~roblems and present
  it  to  thecommittee.
  The  meeting  comme~ced with a  general discussionof
 bills in  committee  from last  sesslOllt with~enator
  Thomas askingthe·· members togo  overthe ..list  to
  see  which onesshouldreceive  immediate  attention.
SB  263 Senator Thomas'askedSenator  Croftif  there would
 bean  appropriation  bill  to  go  with SB  263,and
  Senator Croftstated  that  hadnot  be~n resolved as
 yetandthathe  wouldha~e Ken  Humphriesin  Legis-
  lativeAffairs  checkonit.
SB  15& Senator Thomas.stated  that  Senator Harris hadcome
SB  30
  in  priorto  themeeting.--he  was  presentlyattending
  another committee  meeting  --  arid Senator Har~is had
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  indicated  he would  like to  rliscuss SB 15 and  SB 30
) at a  subsequent  committee  meeting.Senator Croft
  asked  if  SB 30 had not been  indefinitely  postponed
  at one  of the committee  meetings  last  year and
  requested  the secretary  to  check on  that.  He  also
  stated  that  he would have  no objection  if Senator
  Harris  wished to  bring the  bill  up before the
  committee  again.(NOTE:Secretary  found that  on
  February  12,  1973, a motion  was made  and unanimously
  pa~sed to  indefinitely  postpone  handling  of SB  30.)
  EXECUTIVESenator  Thomas  informed the  committee  that Commis-
  ORDER  NO. 34'
  sioner  Lind would  appear before  the  committee  at a
  meeting  on January  24 in  Committee Room  No.5at
)
  9:00  a.m., to testify  concerning  Executive  Order  No.
  34.  He  said  he had talked  briefly with  Comm.  Lind
  over the  telephone,  and that  Commi~sioner Linddid
  not seem  to have  any objections  to  the transfer  of
  the Museum  to the  Department  of Education,  that  it
  seemed  to be a  good idea because  of  the educational
  aspects  involved.Senator  Thomas stated  that  unless
  someone  had an  objection, he  would  suggest taking  no
  action  on E.O.  34.  He stated  that  ~f  the committee
  did not  take any  action  within 60 days,  the order
  would  automatically  go into  effect.Senator Thomas
  also remarked  that  if  any of the members  had any
) other  questions  to pose to  Commissioner  Lind,  con-
  cerning  other  matters, they  would be  able to do  so
  at tomorrow's  meeting.
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 SOSSenator  Hensley  asked what resulted  from the
  I
 hearing  in  Anchorage on  SOSashe  wasinWashington
 andnotable to  attend  the  meeting.
 Senator  Thomas  said  hehadbeen unable  to  attend
 thatmeetingalso,but thatthecommitteewould
 have a  fullreport  fromDr.Darnell,Center for
 NorthernEducational Research,about thefirst  week
 in  February.  Healsostated  that  he felt  the
 co~mittee's  first  task,  after receivingthis report,
 would beto  decide what action  should  be  taken, but
 hedidnotseehowthecommitteecould be  very
 effectiveinthisregard  until thereport  was
 received.  Senator  Thomas stated  he  felt thelargest
)
 issue inthecommitteeright  now  wasrural schools
 andSOSandhowtorestructure thatentity.
 SB264 Senator  Thomas  asked if  SB264  had theGovernor's
 approvalandSenator  Croft saidthat it  did.
 SB265 Senator  Croft asked if  anyone  knew whattheback-
 ground  wason  Senator  Ray's bill, SB265.  Senator
 Thomas  asked theStaff  Assistant  tolalk  toSenator
 Rayandobtain  anybackgroundmaterial  hemight
 have f6rthecommitteeon  SB265.
 SB267 Senator  Croft explainedthat  he had,  been requested
 byDr.Carol Brown to  introduceth~s bill, and
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  suggested  that the  committee  hold  this bill  for
  consideiation  until  such  time as Dr.  Brown  could
  come to  Juneau to  testify.There was  no objection.
  SCR 2 Senator  Hensley referredto SCR 2  and asked  if  this
  had not been  taken  care of  previously  and Senator
  Croft stated  that  he understood  it had  been.Senator
  Thomas  said  he felt it  was related  to the longevit~
  bonus.
  SB 274Senator  Thomas explainedthat  he had been requested
  to introduce  SB  274, that  it related  to diseases  in
  horses that  are broughtin from out  of State  and
) then contaminateshorses  already in  Alaska.He
  suggested  that the  committee  defer  consideration  of
  this bill  until  the interested  parties  could  appear
  before  the committee  to testify.Senato~ Croftsuggested
  that some  of the  guides might  be interestedin testify-
  ing on this  bill  also.Senator Thomas  said  that some
  of the guides  brought  in horses  from  Canada,  which
  was a problem,  and  also that  some guides  turned  horses
  loose during  the winterand if  they  ftid not survive,
  brought  more in  from Canada  in the  spring.  He  also
  stated  that another  bill  relating to  humane  treatment
  of animals  was being  introduced  in  ihe ~ession today
  and suggested  that  both bills  be taken  up by  the
  committee  at the  same time,  at a later  date.
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SB  275Senator Croft referred toSB  275and  stated  that  he
  }
 wasintroducinga billtoday~  alsoconcerning  the
 Professional Teaching Practices  Commission. Senator
 Thomas stated  he understood  there wassometrouble
 concerningthe  relationship of  theschool  board and
 teachers,  butSenator Croft said  hedid  notthink
 it  would change the  relationship of  the  school board
 withteachers.
SB  277Senator Thomas referred  to  SB  277,asking if  this
 wereforfunding of  library  facilities,  or  what, and
  Senator Croftstated  he understood  this  was for
 buildings  in  Anchorageand  Fairbanks--resource
) libraries,  etc. Senator Thomas stated  the  committee
  couldask  Commissioner Lindaboutthisat  the  meeting
 tomorrow  morning.
 Meeting  adjourned  at  9:40a.m.
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-)  SB 282,  SB 283  Senaior  Thomas  stated that  the Committeehad been
 & SB 284
scheduled  to consider  ~B  282, SB  283, and  SB 284,
but that  the interested  partiesin these bills  were
unable  to testify  at this  time,  and that  the bills
  would  be  taken up  at a  later  meeting.
 SB 288  Senator  Thomas  said  he had talked  to Commissioner
McGinnis  concerning  Senator  K. Miller's  bill,  SB 288,
rel~~ing to  the  creation  of a Departmentof Health,
and that  Commissioner  McGinnis  was  not ready  to testify
on the bill  at  this time,  but would  like  to testify  in
the very  near future.
)
 SB 265  Senator  Thomas  said  he discussed  Senator  Ray's bill,
SB 265,  relating  to standardizingassistance  payments
for child  care, with  CommissionerMcGinnis,  and that
the Commissionerwould  like to  appe~r before  the
committee  tomorrow·  morning (February  I,  1974·) and give
testimony  concerning  this  bill.
 GENERAL Senator  Thomas  said  he felt the  Committee  should  divide
the work  load by  each  Senator taking  certain  bills  and
doing  the necessary  background  work  and  then report  to
the full-Committeeon their  recommendationsas to  hand-
ling of  the bills.·It was agreed  each  Senator  would
look over  the  list  of bills in  committee  and would
indicate  at tomorrow's  meeting  which  bills  they would
prefer  to work  on.
Meeting  adjourned  at  9:15 a.m.
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  HEALTH,  EDUC~TION, AND.  SOCIAL  SERVICES  COMMITTEE  MEETING
  January  24, 1974
  9:00  a.m.
 PRESENT:All  members  of the  committee.Also present  were  Commissioner
Marshall  Lind,  Department  of  Education,  W. D.  Overstreet,
~ssociation ofAlaska  School  Boards,  Robert Van  Houte, NEA-
Alaska,  William  W.  Hopkins, A~aska oil& Gas  Association,
 and other  i~terested guests.
 Senator Thomas  called  the meeting  to  order and  stat~the
purpose  of  the meeting  was to  talk to  Commissioner  Lind  and
 listen  to his thoughts  on educationfor this  year.  He  asked
)Commissioner  Lind  to give the  committee  his general  view  or
 comments  on education  throughout  the  State,  and also perhaps
 on bills  that might  be of particularinterest  to the Depart-
 mente  He  also requested  the  Commissioner  to  inform the
 committee  on his view  concerning  the  transfer  of the  State
 Museum to  the Department  of  Education.
  EXEC.Commissioner  Lind  stated  that the Departmentof Education  felt
  ORDR.
 NO.  34  that since  the prim~ry functionof the  museu~ was  educational,
 that it was  logical  fo have  it  transferred to  the Department
 of Education.He  stated  there was one  program  in particular
 that he  felt  was very effective  and would  like  to see  its
 services  increased,  and that  is the  traveling  school.He felt
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 he  had, but  that  SenatorRay had  declined--said it  was a
 simple  bill,and he  did not  feel  he  needed  to  testify  on  it.
SB  265  &Mr.  McClain  statedthat  Senator  Ray's  concern  was  justified--
SB  310
 that  there  were  inequitiesih  the AFDC  and  Foster  Children
 Programs. Many  times  the  mothersfeel there  is  more  incen-
 tive'  to place  their  childrenin foster  homes  becausethere
 would  be  more  monies  providedto take  care  of  a child  than
 under  the  AFDC  Program. He felt  these  inadequacies had
 come  about  becauseof the  fact  that  the AFDC  Programhad
 not  been  reviewedsince July1970, whereasthe  foster
 children'sprogramwas reviewedannually,there  had. been  an
 increasein the  foster  care  rates  annually--rate hearings
  the
)a~e heldin Februaryof  each yearfor/fostercare program.
 He  submittedto the  Committee(copies  attached)tables
 showingthe presentrates  and  proposed  rates  underSB 265
 and  SB  310 for  the AFDC  programs,and  also  the  rate  struc-
 ture  for  the  foster  home  program.Mr.  McClainstated  the
 Departmentfelt  there  should  be  some  upward  adjustmentin
 the  AFDC  rate  structure. He  said there  is  an  increase  in
 the  budget  this  year  to makesome upwardadjustmentto the
 AFDC  rates  and  he  felt this  would  help  correctthe  inequities
 betweenthe two  programs.
 There  was  then  a generaldiscussionconcerningthe
 minimumand maximumrates  listed  on  the tables,and how
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they were  ;applied.  Mr. McClain  pointed  out  that the
variance  in the  two figures  was based  on what  area of
the State  the child  resided  in.
Senator  Sackett  said  he felt  there was still  a policy
decision  to be made  as to whether  AFDC  and  foster program
rates should  be kept  on the  same level  or keep  them
separate  and raise  both of  them.
Mr. Harris  explained  one reason  foster  parents  receive
more funds  was because  of  "supply and  demand"  and the
fact that  the rates  were reviewed  annually  and  reflected
increased  living  cost adjustments.Mr.  McClain  said  he
)  felt the  foster parents  program  was  a good one,  it  was
more desirable,and that  it  was actually less  costly than
institutional  programs,  so  they had  tried to  keep the  rates
high for  that reason.He  felt that  comparing  the costs
between  foster plan  and AFDC  plan might  not be  fair in  that
the costs  would be  more,  for instance,  in putting  a teenager
into a  foster parents  home,  as opposed  to the  costs under
the AFDC  plan where  the child  was already  in  the home--costs
of living,  i.e. under  foster'parents  plan--child  must  have
private  sleeping  quarters, whereas  under  AFDC  he may share
room with  other  members of  the family.
Senator  Thomas asked  if  there was an  appropriation  bill
to go with  SB 310,  and Mr. McClain  said  the money  was  in
the budget,  half  of whi~h would  be  federal funds.Senator
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Thomas askedMr.  McClain if  he  thought partof  SB  265
 shouldbe  incorporatedinto  SB  310,and  Mr.McClain said
he  would like  to  talkto  Senator Rayabout  thebilland
study it  a little  more.
 SenatorCroftbrought up  the  point thatfor  yearsthere
 ~;C:/)ve~
hasnot  beenenoughmonies available in  thej~Le88Fe
program to  adequately  carefor  a  childand  thatSB  310
would not  provide enough--less  thanhalfof  what  would
be  necessary  to  properly carefor  a  child.
 SenatorSackett askedMr.  McClain if  SB310  followed the
 OEO  guidelines. There  wasextensive discussion  concerning
)the  OEO  guidelines  for  Alaska, particularlyconcerning  the
 estimated 15%increase as  of May1974whichthe  Department
hadusedin  settinguptheirtable~ Thequestion was
brought up  by  Senator Sackett as  to  whether thereshouldn't
bea costdifferential  within Alaska, sincecostswereso
varied throughout  the  State.  Senator Thomasmentioned  the
 cost  differentialusedin teachers  salaries and  feltthis
 same  basis could  be  usedin  thiscase. Mr.McClain said
hefelt  thiswasa validconsideration.  Senator Sackett
 said  thereasonhe  had  brought thisup  was  thatin  his
 villages, it  seemed the  minimum paymentof$125  fora mother
 and  one  childwastoo  low  where the  costof  livingwasso
muchgreater as  compared to  otherareasof  theState. Mr.
 Harrisexplained  that  thispayment structure wasset  by  law,
 according to  theage  of  the  child, i.e.a childunder5
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  $125,  age~ 5  to 13 $150, and  over  13 = $175.SB 310
  would  alleviate  this problem. Senator  Thomas  asked Mr.
  McClain  to  check into  the cost  differentialthroughout
  the  State and  see if  something  could be  work~d out  and
  possibly  be  incorporated  into  the bill.Mr. McClainsaid
  he  would do  so.
  GROUP Senator  Hensley  asked  Mr. MqClain  about  the Group  Foster
  FOSTER
  HOMES Home  program--how  many  children  were  in these  homes, whether
  the  Department  felt  it  was a good program,  etc.Mr. Harris
  said  there were  between  5 and  10 ch±ldren  in  these group
  homes  and that  adolescents  seemed  to  -do very well in them.
  Mr.  McClain  said  he felt the  ones in  the northern  portion
) of  the State  were very  good programsand it was  a much
  better  solution,  rather  than  taking  the children  to Anchorage
  or  elsewhere--he  felt  there was  a great  advantage  in placing
  them  close to  their homes.
  SCR  2Senator  Thoams  stated  that Senator  Ziegler  had  introduced
  a  resolution,  SCR 2,  for a study  on the  aged  and asked  if
  th~ Departmentfelt  there was  a need  for such  a study.Mr.
  McClain  said  he felt  there would  be value  in the  study,
  especiallyin relation  to the  longevity  bonus.He explained
  that  the waiver  of the  longevity  bonus  as income  was to  have
  been-terminatedin December73, but that  new  legislation  was
  passed  in Congress  the  first  of the year  which  amended
certain portions  of  the Social  Security  Act which  includes
a provision  for continuationof certain  demonstration  projects,
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He stated  that Governor  Egan  had written  to the  Secretary
of Health,  Education  & Welfare  and asked  for consideration
of continuing  this  particular,demonstration project,  thus
allowing  the waiver  for the  longevity  bonus to remain  in
effect  for Alaska.Mr. McClain  had  talked to people  in
Region  10 and they  were optimistic  that  the waiver  will be
continued  and have  extended  the waiver  to cover  January  and
February,  pending  a final  decisionoThere has been  no
decision  as yet  as to whether  the waiver  will be  extended
on a permanent  basis,  or even  beyond February1974.
Senator  Thomas  asked the committee  if  they would  be agreeable
to passing  this  Resolution  out of committee. Senator Sackett
)  pointed  out the~portance of keeping  the aged  in the State
and the  housing problem  they  have.Senator Croft  indicated
he would  like to  prepare an  amendment  to the resolution
specifying  the problem  and how  it  affects the longevity  bonus,
and  Senator Thomas  asked him  to prepare  such an  amendment.
Senator  Harris  said  he would like to prepare  an  amendment
to reflect  the importance  of  keeping  the older people  in
Alaska  so that we  may have  the benefit  of their  experience,
knowledge,  and ~articipation onadvisory  boards,  etc.  Senator
Thomas'  asked him to prepare  such an amendment. The Committee
agreed  without objection  to  pass SCR  2 out of committee  with
the  amendments discussed.
SB 263Senator  Croft asked  the Chairman  if  he wanted to  discuss  the
old  aged assistance  bill at  this time--raising  the  assistance
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from  $250 ,to $350,  and Senator  Thomas  asked  Mr. McClain
if  he had  any comments  on  S8 263.
Mr.  McClain  said  he felt  it was very  necessary,  but  that
the  $350 level  gets  right back  to  the longevity  bonus  issue.
He  also pointed  out  that under  the  present  statute  the pay-
men~s were$250,  as opposed  to the  $125 for  AFDC--that  the
Departmenthad to  set spending  priorities,and that  if  the
old  age assistanceprogram  was extended,then it would
widen  the  gap between  the  two programs.
Senator  Sackett  asked  if  the longevity  bonus  issue  would
be  affected  as long  as Alaska  has  the waiver.Mr.  Pagenkopf
)  said  that  as part  of the  State's  supplement  of HR  I, it  is
not  considered  as  income providedthat the  income  is  based
  NOT
on  need, but  that  the longevity  bonus  says  it  is/based on
need  so those  two  BWS conflict.He  felt  any additional
monies  put  in by  the State  would be  taken  by the  Federal
governmentas income.He  said this  was a  very complex  issue
and  almost  had to  be handled  case  by case  as there  were  other
factors  involved,i.e. the  income  and source  of the  income.
WORKLOAD The  committee  then  discussed  the possibilityof each  Senator
OF BILLS
taking  specific  bills  he might  be  interested  in, researching
them,  and  then reporting  back  to the  committee  as  a whole
with  his recommendations.  Senator  Harris  stated  he was very
iriterested  in bills  relating  to drug  and  alcohol rehabilita-
ion  and treatmentfacilities  and  said  he would like  to start
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 with  SB305,  SB307  and  SB  299. SenatorCroft indicated
 he  wouldlike  to  workon  SB290.Senator Hensley said  he
 felt  SB251  shouldhaveearlyactionand  wouldworkon  this.
 SenatorSackett  was  interested in  billson  higher education
 and  said  he  would work  onSB  123.
 The  meeting adjourned at  9:35a.m.
)
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HEALTH,EDUCATION, AND  SOCIALSERVICESCOMMITTEE MEETING
 January 31,  1974
PRESENT:All  membersof  the  Committeewere  present.  Also
  presentwere  Jay  Hammond, former  President of  the
  Senate,and  Bill  Overstreet, Association of  Alaska
  SchoolBoards.
 HAMMONDSenatorThomascalled  the  meeting to orderat  8:45  a.m.
 TESTIMONY
 RE:  SCHOOL  He  stated  thatformerSenate  President Jay  Hammond
 BOARDPROBLEM
  would  liketo  talk  to  the  Committeeconcerning a prob-
  lem  that  has  arisenin  his  area  in  regardto education.
)
  Mr.  Hammondstated  hiscommunitywas  havinga  problem
  with  the  schoolboard-assembly  relationship, in  that
  the  schoolboard  had  takenactionwhich  willqommit
  the  municipality to  a  large  debt. He  then  gave
  detailed  background  information to  the  effectthat  the
  schoolboard  had  dismissed some  untenured teachers,
  who  then  filedsuit  againstthe  schoolboard. The  case
  went  to  the  SupremeCourt  wherethatcourt  handeddown
  a deci~ion that  the  SchoolBoard  mustgive  the  teachers
  a hearing.  Thereis a  possibility that  a  judgment
  could  be  grantedin  the  amountof  approximately $500,000
  and  that  the  schoolboard  wouldbe  obligatedto  pay  this
)
  judgment,whichthey  couldnot  do  due  to lackof funds,
  and  thus  th~ payment wouldfallon the  municipality.
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  Mr.  Hammond told  the Committee  he  was seeking  some
  kind  of action  that  would help protecta relatively
  unsophisticatedschool  board from  committing  a
  ~unicipality tosuch debts.He  explained  that the
  school  board budget  was  not sufficient  to  cover such
  a judgment,  and  that the  municipality  was  facing
  economic  devastation  in  that area.He requested  that
  the  Committee  consider  drafting  legislation  to take
  care  of this problem--limiting a school board's  powers
  to  commit a municipalityto large  expenditures  of
  monies.He  felt  that the State  should participate
  in this  type  of debt since  the  school board  was acting
  under  State law.
)
  Mr.  Overstreet  was asked  by Chairman  Thomas  to comment
  on this  type  situation.Mr. Overstreetsaid  he was not
  familiar  with  the case.Mr. ~homas  asked  him "if  he
  knew  of any way  to. solve the problem  and he  said  he
  did not.
  Senator  Croft  asked if  there might  be insurance  to  cover
  this  type of problem. Mre Hammond  stated  that school
  superintendentswere bonded  and  asked Mr.  Overstreet  if
  that  would cover  this  type situation.Mr.  Overstreet
  replied  it  did not as  far as he  knew.  Senator  Croft
  suggested  that  possibly  the State  could pick  up insur-
  ance  premiums  to cover  these entities  alloverthe  State.
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SenatorCroftasked  Mr.Hammondwhat  thetotal  school
budgetfor  the  year  wasin hiscommunity and  Mr.  Hammond
repliedthatit wasabout  fiveor  six  hundredthousand
dollarsa  year. Mr.  Croftcommentedthatthe  amountof
the  suit  wasabout  equalto  one  year'stotalbudget.
  ,Mr.  Hammondstated  hefelt  thatif  a judgmen~ was  rendered
againsta  schoolboard  who  hadgotteninto  troubleby
following a  State  law,' thenthe  90-10relationship should
hold  withpayingoff  any  such  judgment.
SenatorThomasaskedthe  Committee if  they  wouldbe
willingto  checkwith  the  Legislative  AffairsAgency
 ) concerning this  problem and  see  if  legislation could
be  draftedto  solvethe  problem. TheCommitteewas  in
agreement and  SenatorThomassaid  he  wouldcheckwith
them. SenatorCroftasked  theCommittee Staff  Assistant
to  checkand  see  what  insurance might  be  available to
coverthis  problem.
  REGIONAL  SenatorThomasinformed the  Committee that  Senator
  HEALTH&
  SOCIALSERVo  Harris,ViceChairman,was  planning to  attenda regional
  MEETINGIN
  SEATTLEmeetingin  Seattle  onFebruary 7, regarding healthand
socialservices--Mrs.  Beirnewill  be  attending to  repre-
sent  the  HouseHESSCommittee--and  asked  if  therewere
othermembersof  the  committeewho  wouldalsolike  to
)
attendthe  meeting.  None  of  the  othermembersof  the
Committee indicated interestin  attending the  meeting.
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 I
'-"  ~
 PRESENT AFDCPROGRr'\H PROPOSED  SB 265PROPOSEDSB310
other  B.nd: MIX H/'-:.X AVER.J\GE HIN l0".u-'\X  AVEfu\GEAVEPJI..CE
  c11:LJ.d $125$175 $150$166$254 $210 $345
  childx'en $175  $275 $225$420 $403
 ... ""t OJ
  ctlJ_.Lcren  $225  $375 $300$630 $460
$1+50$362 /$52'0
  cr.il:::i.:ren. $275  $8 +0
  s-.,-
  cllilc1ren$325  $500 $412  $1050  .::;;::;
  cllildrer1.  $375  $5)0 $L:·62$1260 $633
  c:1iJ_dr e~l$'::~25$600 $512$1162$1778 $1480 $690
 '\.
"'.
 ~l=';lrec~. DYl)i',7isio-;'1ofF2,rf:ily &  Childre::'lServices
i>~pa;~-:':1;:~;!1 ':: of Heal th  &Soci:.:ll Services
Ja~u2ry 31,  1974
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 Il\S J;\~  ALASKA
q-
FOSTER' HO~rE  l'..N.. .ROUPFOSTERHONE  ............ ~" ...,...._....4
 "'-'  '--J'
 R.<\TE  SCHEDULE
 (Effective  July  1, 1973)
 JU:~Ei\U AREA (SE)KETCHIKlu'1  AREA  (SE) SOUTRCENTR:\LAREA~ 0 ~::r ~ ::: ?~\  ?.=c ~
  ( _T""""U,lpc:..  L.,-_ u __ "?=>!"":..l..J __ ..
 FOSTER HO~IES  "":, .
/'
"]:" l.7  ';) ..
 OLnRATE  NEHR:\TE  OLD~\TE  NE\~  RATE  OLDR:,\TE  NE~J  Rt\TE OLDP.... ·\TE  1."_ ....___
 161.00 166.00 166.00 l.:.c;,;:/  167.00  1 -" .,
  & (:'10)170.00 159.00  157.00  ..... J  0 •  \.
5. L 4  . 5.445.49 ...; .,
 icr(D<1Y) 5.29  5.585.23 t  5.16-----
 (:10) . 1t1
&228.00241.00227.00233.00221.00  233.00.235.00r'5/,  248. :
, 7.507.46  7.67 7.73 Q .
 ~r (Day)  7.917.27 7.67 v  •.
 GIZQUI)FOSTERHOHES
  &C-io)  170.00174.00 167.00170.00  164.00  170.00 175.00  lc'J. (
  5.59  5.725.49 5.39  5.58  5.75
 ier\DC1Y)  5.~S5. :
  J.
  &Uto)240.00247.00235.00239.00232.00  239.00248.002S~. (
 Q '
 ~:-(Day)  7.89  8.117.73  7~86 7.63  7.86  8.15 v  •.
 CES:1.{a)Newfosterh08e ratesreflected above  include a 5.5% COLA (Cost  of LivingAdjustment) over current year r~:~s.
 Groupfoster  hO!i1cra.tes are2.5i;above  fosterhome rates.Included  \.Jitllin above  rates  is  alnonthlyclothi~gl
 . , spending  ollo'.\',1oceof  $20. 00  forch iid ren 12 andunde rand $2 5.00  forcbildren13 and'  over-.
  (b)  Initial  plJcc~lent  clothing allowanceremains  at  $150.00 perchild.
2.  CrippledandhJ.ndicapped  childrenplacedin  fosterhomes  by  the  HcnprogrC1r:l  of Divisionof Public He.::.lthare
 e :.: c r:1 p t fro m  p r u vis ion S 0 fn h 0 v esche du 1e .  F0 S t  e r par c n t senr in g  for  the s e s pee i n 1cat ego r ys h 0 r t-  t ~ r;:1 ? 1;;. c e -
 r.: en t s\V  i  11  b c a tl tho r i  zed $ 7 . 9 5 perdayper  chi 1 d\..;r  i  tho u t r e (? a r d to agein theSOU the e n t  r Cl1  Cl 11. d S0 u. t h 2  as t  2 r n
• 0
 Rc ~ i 0  :-" S  ~ T 11 c[ ~ t  ~  0  f $ S • SSpc rday\.J i  11  b cp C1 i din  t 11 c~0  r the r n Re g ion.
J • T11 C <1 b a vcr ':'1t  esch l: J u 1cis  .:l P P 1i c 2. b 1 eon 1 y to  fa s t c r  par en t s  res i din gin  AL1 S k.:\ .The r? t  cst0b (;P .1 i df 0  S t: c r
----.~-"--~. po ren ts··· res i ding' in·,·thc"contiguous- Un i  ted··Stntes ··,(Jill···be.-the-snme.-rare-·-paid. by·-the "ci ty, - s t::l te;'  or CO'.l;:·C y "..-- ..
 ,.,r21 f 2 re  .Dcp[u:tlrlcnt in  which  thefos ter po ren t  resides ..
4.  ThenC\J. r.:J les  app 1y to  the  geo~ r.:iphic  loca t  ion (ci tyor  regional  are;:r) of thefos ter  p.:1 r2n t  -- r.ott  () the
 Districtor Region to whicll thecase is  assigned.Forexample:  the  Southcentral  area r;:rte ~oulJ apply to
 a [oster  parent residingin i\nchoragev:ho  is  c~ring for  aKetchikan districtchild.  Themo.]  linr 3dJress  of
 . -:;.:....:..:..;
 thefosterp.:.lrcntis  thedeterminingfactorin  all  questionaolc  cases •
~
  ....
5.. Petersburg,Kuke andWrangellareconsidered  to be  in  the  Ketchikan ratherthci~  Juneau 3rca~ T!ll~  detcr~i~cti
  t:
I  .shall  apply  to  all  program  divisions,  including Corrections.
)
 ".,
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  Lt.McLaughlindiscussed  thenecessityo~ having  some type
 I
  of  modified  driver's  license,and  requestedtheCommitteeto
  consider  the  possibility of  having  an  occupational license
  rather thana  modified  license. He  explainedthat  with  an
  occupational license,  a  drive~ would be  allowed  to  d~ive to
  andfromworkproviding  hisdri~ing record  remainedclear
  during,theperiod of  timehis license hadbeen suspended.
  If  there is  aninfractionduring thisperiod oftime,his
  occupational license willbetaken awayandhe  will not  be
  allowed todrive at  all.  These are  forthose caseswhere
  it  isconsidereda  "last  chance"is  needed fordrivers  whose
  licenses  havebeensuspendedoneor  more times.  Lt.McLaughlin
  saidthestate  of  Washington  hasresorted  to  this occupational
) licensing  andit  seems to  work quite well.  There wasfurther
  discussionandexplanationof  license  suspensions, modifications
  by  thecourts andhazardousdrivers.Senator  Thomas asked
  Lt.  McLaughlin is  he  would provide  theCommittee  with a  copy
  of  theWashingtonlawand  hesaid  he woulddoso.
  Senator Thomas  askedthemembers  of  theDepartmentof  Health
  andSocial Services  f6rtheirviews onincreasingthe  penalties,
  and  Mr.Adams said'he  had  noqualms about increasingthe
  by  thejudges
  penalties,sincediscretion/wouldstill  be provided. There
  wasextensive  discussionon  penaltiesandtheneedto  remove
  hazardous(multiple  offenders)drivers  fromtheroads.
  Senator Thomas  stated therewasnotimelefttoconsider
  further testimonyor  discussionduetothe  fact it was almost
  timeforthesession.Meeting  adjourned  at9:50a.m.
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Introduced:1/30/74
Referred:Health,Education
  and  SocialServices
  : BY THE  RULESCOHNITTEE BY
 IN  THE  SENATE  REQUEST OF  THE  GOVERNOR
  SENATEBILLNO.  310
 IN  THE  LEGISLATURE  OF  THE  STATEOF  ALASKA
  EIGHTHLEGISLATURE  -  SECONDSESSION
  A BILL
 )
 For  an  Actentitled:  "An  Actrelating to  aid  to  fami:lies'-lith dependent
children; andproviding for  aneffective  date."
 BE  IT  ENACTED BY THELEGISLATURE  OF  THE  STATEOF  AL.A.BKA:
  Section 1.  AS  47.25.320  is  repealed and  re~enacted toread:
, l~d=-  ,f 171 cJ  c(  /-..;,;- c;::,f S'5 r5 / -1,v CcC '
(a)The  department  shall  determine  the  afuountof  assistance  for
  a  dependent childand  therelatives  with  tolhom the  dependent child
)
  is  living, ~vi th regardto  the  resource and  necessary  expendi tures
  of  thefamilyand  the  condition  existing  in  each  case. Assistance
  issufficient if,  \vhen  addedto  all  otherincome and  support
  available  to  the  child,the  child  and relatives havereasonable
  subsistence  compatible  with  decency and  health.,  However, the
  amount of  assistance  ~ay notexceedthe1973state  assistance
standard, established  under  Title  IVA of  the  Social  Secutity  Act
( ttl 2  601) d·"'1
  U.S.C.sec.  et  seq., as  adjusted  by the epc.rtmentIn  ,·ay
  andeffective in  July,of  each  yeartd  reflect the  cost-of-living
changesas  determined bythe  UnitedStated  Departmentof  Labor
statistics.
 )
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 D?on(lSED  2uB~,~Ir-=,ur"[1F  wOP P.2 1.!7. 25.320 (b)
')
(b)  The  amount of  assist2nce fora dependent  child  ~ho is otherwise
eligible  for  ai~ under sees310  --  420  of  thi~  chapter,  or  who  is  de~endent
or  neglected  and  committed by  thecourtto  the  department,  ?nd,who is  p12ced
by  thedepartment in  thehome  of  a  relative otherthana parent (as  listed  in
 sec.  410(3)of  thisc~apter),may not  be  lessthan  theamountestablished,'
underAS  47.95. nlO(14),  by  thedecartmentfor  the careof  a denendent  child
 in a  foster  horne.  ~o beeligihle  for p2yment under  .thissubsection, the
ho~e in 'Wllich thechild  is  placed  must reetDininum foster  home requireMents
as  establish~d bythedepartn~nt.For  addition~l siblings  or  other  related
children  in a  singlehorne,  theadditional  paymentundersees.310  --420  of
thischanter shallcorrespond to  theassistance standards  established  by  the
departr;lent.
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  FOR RELEASE:A.M.  Editions
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u. S.  VillOR DEPARTHENTRAISESINCOHELEVELSDEFINING POOR  FAl'rILlES
 The U.S.Departmentof  Laborhas raisedthefamily income  levelstheManpower
  Administration  uses  in  determining eligibility  for  some  training  programs.
 The ne\Vlevelsrange  upto$250  higher  than  those  published  in  December  1972.
  The level  for a  nonfarm family  offour  in  the  Continental  U. S.increased  from
  $4,200to.$4,300.
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 The  change  follows a  revision ofthe povertyincome guidelines  bytheOffice
  of  Economic  Opportunity.The 1972  &~endments to the Economic Opportunity  Act
  require anannual  or  morefrequent revision ofthe incomeguiqelinesto  reflect
  increases  in  the  cost ofliving.
  Forprogram eli'gf1Jility  purposes, a  personis  considered Door,  or
  ... 05\  f?; (/:) 1?  n n..  ;-r ~
 . "disadvantaged,"if he  or  his  family  receives  welfare  paymentb~r ififl!!tirJiluUl \1'~ 10i
  adjusted gr9sscash income  does  not exceedthefollowing  limits:AUG  07  1973 UdJ
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  2,950 3,6001 ,500 3,820
3  3,450  3,060 4,140 3,520  1
4  4,2003,575 4,3003,655 4,940 it-  -'  2005,380  4,570
5  4,9254,200 5,000  '4,250 5,750 4,890 6,250  5,310
6  5,550  4,725  5,700  4,845  6,560 5,570 7,120  6,050
7  q.,200  5,275 6,4005,440 7,360 6,260 8,000  6,800
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  Income  limits forfamil-ies of  more than seven persons  canbedetermined
 by  adding  forthe  nonfarm  nnd£ann levels these amounts  for eachadditional
 person:$700 and  $600 fortheContinental  U.S.,$800and $680for  Hawaii,
 and$370and$740for  Alaska.
  Theincome guidelines  were  originally  derived froma  definition  of  poverty
 develope'  bytheSocial Security  Administrationin  1964.
 ·The~uidelines are  used in  Federal  programsin which  poverty  level  is  an
 eligibili  yfactor.
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  HEALTH, EDUCATION  & SOCIAL SERVICES COMMITTEE  MEETING
  February  I,  1974
 8:30  a.m.
  PRESENT: All  members of  theCommittee, Alsopresent weremembers
  of  the  Department  of  Health and  Social Services:Deputy
  Commissioner  James F. McClain,  Mr.  Stanley P.  Harris,
  Director of  Division of  Family &  Children Services, and
  Mr.  RayC.  Pagenkopf,  Division of  Family&  Children Services.
  SB  265  Senator Thomascalled·the  meeting to  orderat  8:45a.m.
  and  stited  the committee would hear  testimon~ from the
  representativesof  theDepartment  of  Health&  Social
~\
 )
  Services on  SB  265,Standardizing Assistance Payments for
  ChildCare,introduced  by  Senator Ray. Senator Thomassaid
  he  had  talked to  Senator Ray  aboutthisbilland  thathe
  understood  that  Senator Ray  wasconcerned  aboutthe  payments
 madetofosterparents in  relation to  relatives,  i~e.  if
  a child is going intoa foster home~-why couldnft a  relative
  (suchas  a  cousinor  uncle) get.  as muchfor  taking care  of
  a childasa totalstranger?Senator Rayfelt  it would be
 better fora childto  be  withrelatives  than  total strangers.
  SenatorThomas agreedwiththis,butsaid  hefelt  SB  265did
 muchmorethanthisand  wouldliketo  haveMr.  McClain's
  comments.on  the  bill.
 )
  SenatorCroft askedif  anyonehadinvitedSenator Rayto
  come  testify on  behalf of  the  bill,andSenator Thomassaid
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 there  were other  things  that  shouldalso be  done,  i.e.  museum
 ifems  should  be taken  out  across  the  State  and  into classrooms.
 GENERAL  Commis s ioner.  Lind then addressed  hims e If to the  Departmen t' s
 view  of educationalpriorities. He  stated  they  had been  doing
 some planningand  assessing  of  what  local  school  districts
 wanted  and  needed  throughout  the  State. He felt  that  in the
 ~ast the  Departmenthad been  too  involvedin regulatory
 functions  and  that  they  needed  to work  with  the  local  communi-
 ties.He  said he  felt educational issues  could  be taken  care
 of withoutadditional  statutoryacts.He  was very  interested
 in standardachievementtesting,  educationalskills,etc., to
 determine  needs  and  prioritiesfor  students.
)  SPECIALHe stated  he  was very  pleasedwith what  is  happeningin the
 EDUCATION
 districtsin regard  to  special  educationexceptionalstudents.
 Each  district  is  on a "plan  of  service,"  whichis an  attempt
 to identifystudents  who  qualify  for  special  educ~tion. He
 stated  the  Department  was  taking  a  different  approach--a
 consultingrole--not  saying  that  you  must  do this  or that,
 but  asking  what are  you  doing  and how  may  we help  you.It  was
 the  Commissioner'sfeeling  that  they  could  not have  the
 expertise  neededon a full  time  basis  to  address  all  the prob-
 lems  of the  local  communities,but  that the  State  does  have
 the necessarytalent  in  teachers  throughoutthe  State,  and that
 they  (the  teachers)  can  be utilizedas consultantsin  different
 districtsthroughout  the  State.He  said  this plan  has  been
 very  receptive  among  teachersthus  far.
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  S.O.s.  CommissionerLind  stated they  have  many  concerns  about  Sos.
 One  of his  concerns  was related  to  the unorganizedboroughs.
 He  felt it was  necessary  to  have  equalized  funding  for  all
 districts.Ee  said  during  the next  year  they would  like  to
 determine  what  the  impact would  be  for some  type  of full
 State  funding  that  would  apply equally  to  all areas.
 Senator  Thomas  made  the comment  that  the  committee  was
 awaiting  a reportfrom Dr.  Darnell,  and that  it was  expected
 during  the  first  week in February.
 CommissionerLind  felt that  as areas  assess  their  prriblems,
 they  must take  into  account  what  services  they want  to pro-
(  )other  than educational.
  ON-BASE The  Commissioner  stated  that  an early  decisionin regard  to
  SCHOOLS
 on-base  schools  would  be very  helpful,  especiallyfor the
 Fairbanks  and  Anchorage  areas,  because  of  the costs  and  lead
 time  necessary  to make  an  orderly  transition~He  said  that
 Fairbanks  has  indicated  they  do not  want  to assume  the Fort
 Wainwrightand Eielson  schools  because  of  the pipelineimpact,
 and  the Commissioner. plansto meet  with Fairbanksand get
 their  specjfic  views  andfuformationin the  near  future.
  DOMESTICCommissionerLind  stated that  there  were  six area  high schools
  SCHOOL
  PROGRAM under  constructionnow and  there would  be  others.He stated
 the  Bethel  dormitory  was being  used  by the  local  native
 corporationand that  the program  was  doing  very well.He
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 stated  the Same  kind  of thing  was also  being  done at  Kodiak.
)
 RURAL Cc~missioner Lindsaid  he felt  that the  rural  secondary
 SECONDARY
 EDUCATIONeducation  is' one of  the top prioritiesof the  State.  He
 said  they were  looking  for ways  of educatingstudents  at
 home  without  a shoddy  program  and he  felt that  in a matter
 of  a couple  of years  that the  satellite  program  could be
 .developed.He said  in the communitieswhere  there are  only
 ten  to fifteen  students,  they  would not  be able  to have  a
 full  scale program,  but  other  means were  available  --  such
 as  correspondence  courses,  itinerantteachers,  etc.,  what-
 ever  possible~He  felt good  programs  can be  developed  for
 these  students  in rural  areas,  but it will  take  imagination
 and  hard work.
 Senator  Hensley  asked  the Commissionerif  the Governor  had
 included  funding  for  this in his  budget.The  Commissioner
 said  he could  not say,  but that  the  State  Board did request
 funding.Senator  Hensley  asked  if  additional  funding had
 been  requested  for the  SOS program  and  the Commissionersaid
 that  it  had been.  He  said  he thought  they were  thinking  of
 seventeen  new  commun~ties or  programsin varying  parts  of
 the  state;  adding 9th  and 10th  grades,  or adding  on an
 additional  grade  where  they  already have  a 9th  and 10th  grade
 and have  enough  students  to justify  it.
 Senator  Thomas  asked  the Commissionerto elaborate  on fuller
 State  support  as in Nome,  and  Commissioner  Lind  said  what he
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 meant  wasthatif  fundingwas  madeavailable for  small
 secondary programs aroundthe  State,hefelt  theState's
 levelof  supporthadto be  equalto  whatthey  weredoing
 at  such  places as Nome.  He  felt  theyhad  to  workfor  a
 degreeof  equality in  funding.  Also,alongwith  this,he.
 said  he  feltit was'  necessary to  lookat  the  BIA  schools
 and  workout  an  arrangement  to pickup  thoseschools so
.that  thereis  nota big  loaddropped on  the  Stateat  one
 time.
 SenatorThomas askedif  the  Governorwasgoingto  ask  for
 one  hundredpercent support for  the  foundation  programthis
 year  andCommissioner  Lind  saidno  --  therewere  verycomplex
\  )issuesinvolved in  this. He  felt  thebiggestproblem was  how
 ~
 they  wouldworkout  the  equalizationformula.
  EDUCA-  SenatorCroftaskedCommissioner  Lindif  he  wouldcare  to
  TIONAL
  T.V. commenton  educational  T.V. Commissioner  Lindsaid  theywere
 workingclosely  with ATSF,whichis  beinghandled out  of  the
 Governor's office and  are  extremely interested  in  it  from
 two  st~ndpoints: (1)  How  doesthe  te~hnology lenditself  to
 educational  use  throughout Alaska, and(2) whatkindof re-
 actionis  ~eceived from  teachers andstudents.  He  said  they
 were  alsolooking for  ways  to  tieinto  the  Canadian Satellite
 system.  He  said  he  wouldliketo  see  one  State-wide  system
 for  mediadistribution  in  one  central location, and  he  felt
)
 it  shouldbe  a  centrallibrary--he  did  not  feellibraries were
 for  booksonly.
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-) PIPELINE  Senator  Croft  said  the Anchorage  Senators  had met  recently
  IMPACT  RE:
  EDUCATION  with  representativesof the Borough  School  District  about
 their  legislative  program  and  they had  given the  senators
 var~ous  figures  about  increased  costs,  etc. I but did not
 really  address  the  impact of pipelineconstruction  or influx
 of  st~dents .... they felt they  did not have  enough  information
 for  this, and  several  legislators  asked  them to  get the  facts.
 Senator  Croft  asked  if  the Department was  working  on costs
 along  these  lines.Commissioner  Lind replied  that  they were
 working  with  the office  of planning  and  research  and Governor's
 office,  and  were trying  to estimate  the  number  of additional
 students  for  various  areas.He then discussed  possiblesolu-
 tions  to the  impact problem,such as double-shifting,opera-
)tional  cost  determination  and  distribution  of  funds, construc-
 tion  of buildings  in  Valdez and  other  areas, and  stated that
 he  felt the  impact would  be greatest  in  Valdez  'and Fairbanks.
  RURALSenator  Hensley  asked  if  there was redrafting  being  done  on
  SCHOOLS
 the  agreement  between  the State  and BrA  on the rural  schools?
 CommissionerLind said  it was being  examined  and  needed to  be
 redrafted  as  the last  edition  was 1968.
  S.O.S.  Senator  Hensley  asked  about the  schools  in the Kobuk  Valley--
 if  SOS was going  to try  and ge~ moniesin the budget  for
 necessary  materialsfor the schools  during  this  session.
 CommissionerLind said  yes, and  that they  were working  on
 plans  as to how  to tie  these three  schools  together.He  said
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)it would  be  'necessary to  have a  sharing  and transferof
 people  to  be able  to have  the type  of programthey want.
 Teacherscould be  shared  between  the schoolsso that  adequate
 programscould be  available  to the  studentsa Senator  Hensley
 asked  if  a bond issue  had  been recommendedthis  year  and the
 Commissionersaid  no, but  there was  a requestfrom SOS  for
 constr~ction of additional  facilities. Senator  sackett  asked
 if  that  was where  requests  usually  come  from  and the  Commissioner
 ~aid yes. Senator  Sackett  asked  if  the Department  had  any
 schools  this  year  that  will be transferredto  the BIA  and the
 Commissionersaid  he was  not sure  but thoughtsos and  the
 Bureau  would  be  entering  into a  transfer  agreement  in  those
 communitieswhere  the high  schools  would  be opening  next  year.
)
 Senator  Thomas  said  that  since  it was  almost time  for  the
 Session  to  begin,  it would  be necessaryto adjou~n themeeting.
 Meeting  adjournedat 9:55  a.m.
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  HEALTH,EDUCATION&  SOCIAL  SERVICESCOMMITTEEMEETING
 February7, 1974
  8:30  a.m.'
PRESENT: Senators  Thomas,Croft,  Sackettand  Hensley. Also  present
  was  Mr.  John  Spencer,attorneyfrom  Anchorage.
SB 305Senator  Thomascalled  the  meetingto order  at  8:40  a.m.  and
asked  the  Committee  whatthey  would  like  to  do aboutSB  305
and SB  307  in lightof the  testimonygivenat the  committee
  meetingon  February5.  He  suggestedthat  the  terminology
in SB  305°to  include"narcotic,stimulant,hallucinogenic,
or depressantdrugs"not  be includedas  he  felt it wouldbe
unworkable. He  suggestedthat  the  current  language (driving
)
a motor  vehiclewhile  under  the  influenceof  intoxicating
liquor)  be  retainedand possiblyincreasethe  penalties.
  'Senator  Croftsaid he  would  like  to  have  one  of the  city
court  judges  from  Anchorageappearbefore  the  Committeeand
give his  views. There  was  discussionas  "to whether  one  of
the Judgeswould  be  able  to come  to  Juneau  to  testify.
Senator  Thomasasked  the  Staff  Assistantto  check  on this,
and alsosuggested  that  a  local  judge  be  asked  to  come  testify.
Senator  Croftstated  he wouldalso  like  to have  someonefrom
the Officeof Alcoholism testify  on  this  bill.Therewas
some  discussionof possiblechangesto  the penaltysection,
  but  it wasdecided  to  withholdaction  untiltestimonycould
be heardfrom  a local  and/or  Anchoragejudge.
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  SB 307  Seriator Thomas asked  what was being  rihanged specifically  in
 SB 307 and  the Staff  Assistant  stated  the wording  "not less
 tha~"  was being inserted,  and  the penalties  were Broken  down
 for first,  second  and subsequent  offenses  rather than  con-
 solidated.Senator  Thomas said  he felt  this should  be
 deferred  until such  time as testimony  was  obtained  from the
judges. The committee  was in  agreement.
  SB 264  Senator Thomas  directed  the Comm~ttee's attention t6 SB 264
 relating  to an appropriationfor WAMI and  asked the  Committee
 for their  opinion  on this bill.Senator  Croft'stated  the
 University  of Washington  is becoming  crowded  and there  had
 been some  pressure  to restrict  attendance  to Washington  State
)residents  only.  The  thinking behind  this  bill  was that if
 Alaska continued  participationin"the program  by' this appro-
 priation  of $100,000,  attendance  for Alaskan  students  would
 be assured.It  was pointed out  that there  are ten  students
 participating  in the  medical  studies ~t  the University  of
 Washington  this year.The  Staff  Assistant passed  out ccipies
 of figures  showing  how monies  had been  allocated  for the
 University  of Alaska  and WAMI  and said  in the past  it had
 been difficult  to  determine where  monies  allocated  to U. of A.
 for WAMI  had been  spent.  Senator  Cro£t  explained to  the
 Committee  that this  special  approprjation'would  allow  the
 Department  of Administrationto have some  control over  the
 monies  for WAMI,  and he moved  that the bill  be passed  out of
 Committee  with a  do pass recommendation ..! The Committee  was
 in unanimous  agreement.
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  SB344  SenatorThomas  said he  had beenunableto  reach. Senator  Palmer
tohave himtestifyonSB  344, andsince  Senator  Harris,one
oftheco-sponsors  ofthebill  was  out o£  town,  that discussion
ofthis'bill should bedeferred until thenext meetingof  the
Committee.Other memberswere inagreement.
  SB327  SenatorThomas  stated  that SB327  ~as similar.  to  SenatorRay's
  &SB  310
bill,  SB  310, and felt  this  bill could bediscussed andhandled
when theCommittee takes upSB310next week.There was some
discussion  conce~ning paragraph (b)oftheproposedsubstitute
 (by  the Department ofHealth  &  Social  Services) forSB310.
SenatorSackettfelt  paragraph  (b)changedtheconceptof
paymentsand hestated  he  wanted  tobesurea  minimumpayment
was includedin  the bill.There wasfurtherdiscussion
)  concerning paragraph  (b),andit was  agreed  furtherresearch
wasnecessary.onthis subject.  It  was alsopointedoutthat
\
it wouldbenecessary to  wait until  thefiscal  note waspre-
pared  before  further  discussion  of  thebill.
  HB398  SenatorThomas  introduced Mr.John Spencer,anattorneyfrom
Anchorage,  andstated  Mr.Spencer  would  like togivehis views
onthealcoholic  problem. Senator  Thomas  stated  it was  his
understandingthat theMunicipal Le~gue was preparing proposed
legislation  concerning this problem.  Hesaidthe Committee
hadHB398beforeit,  which  seemed  toturn thewhole thing
around  sotheDepartment would  nolonger beobligated totake
)  care ofalcoholics,  andalso that arrests  and/or  detention of
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 aldoholics  by  peaceofficers  would  be  at  theirdiscretion.
 He  askedMr.Spencerto  givethe  Committee  the  city's  views
 on  thisproblem ..
 Mr.Spencerstated  his comments wouldnot  be  restricted  to
 thecity's  viewpoint,since  he  wasalso  Chairman  of  the
 Legislative  Committee  of theMunicipal League, and  a  bill
 was  being draftedwhichexpressed their solution to  these
 problems.He  statedthe  proposed legislationshouldbe  ready
 in  a  few  days. Mr.Spencer statedtheirattitude  was notto
 repeal the  UniformAlcoholism  Act  butto  makeit moreworkable
 as  theyfeltthe  Department of  Health &  SocialServices was
 notdoingtheir  job.  He  said  he  had  talked to  Commissioner
 McGinnis aboutthisand  thatthe  Commissionertold  himthere
)
 werenot  enough fundsavailable to  handlethe  problems
 effectively. Mr.  Spencer gave  extensiye  testimony concerning
 the  problems  of  caringfor  alcoholics.Hefelt  facilities
 wereneededwhereintoxicated  people~ould be  takencare  of
 without beingarrested and  placedin  jailforsome  alcohol-
 related infraction ofthe  law. He. fel t  the _doctors and  hospi-
 talswerenot  receptive to  thefact  thatalcoholism wasan
 illness and  did  notwantto treat alcoholics.Mr.  Spencer
  statedit wasnecessary forfunds  to  be  provided  for  treatment
 centers wherecounseling  and  medicalhelpwouldbe  available.
 Hefelt  if  this  wasdone,many  of  theproblems withthe  present
  statutes  would be  minimized.Senator Croftstated  hehad
 requested  draftingbedone  on  a  billto provide fundsforsuch
  facilities, andSenatorThomas said  theCommittee shouldask
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  Commissioner McGinnis  if  any monies had"been  putinto  his
  budgetthis yearforsuchtreatment centers.
  Meeting adjournedat  9:30a.m.
  SECRETARY'S  NOTE: Prior  to themeeting,  Senator Hensley requested
ameeting of  the  Committee for  Tuesday morning,
February12,  to hear testimonyon  SB 320.
)
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  HEALTH,  EDUCATION  &  saCIAL SERVICES  COMMITTEE  MEETING
 February  II,1974
  9:00a.m.
PRESENT: AllSenators  present.Alsopresent  totestify fromthe
 Department  ofHealth &  Social Services  were:  Commissioner
 Frederick  P.  McGinnis,  Deputy  CommissionerJames F.  McClain,
 and  Charles  Ramage, AlcoholismOffice.
HB398  Senator Thomas called themeeting  to  order at  9~15  a.m.
 and  asked theCommissioner, Mr.  McGinnis,to  give the
 Committee  his  ~iews onHB  398.  The  Co~missioner stated it
 was  hiaunderstanding thatHB398  wasdeveloped  bythe
 HouseHESSCommitteeand  that therewasDepartmental concern
 as  to  whether  the  State should render direct aidor  provide
 localentities  funds to  provide  foraid  tocombat alcoh6lism
problems. Hestated another concern  wasfromlawenforcement
 officials,  having todo  withtheir ability  to  holdsomeone
 ~or  a  48  hourperiod. The  Commissioner discussedthesepoints
 androId theCommittee  hefelt  the Statewould be  veryill
 advised to  render direct  aid  orservices,  butshouldprovide
 fundsforlocal communitiesto  doso. Senator Thomas told
 the  Commissioner thattheintent  of the  bill  had  beento  have
 theStateresponsible.  TheCommissioner did  notseemto  be
 awarethatthishadbeentheintent ofthe  bill, andstated
 thiswouldrequire  newfunding proceduresanda newlookat
 the  problem  fromtheDepartment1sviewpoint.  Sen~tor Thomas
 askedtheCommissioner whataffect  there  would be  onthe
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  Federal matching fund~ and Mr.Ramageresponded  that  the
  HughesActdoes  notrequiretheState's to  renderdirect
  aid.
  Senator Croftaskedthe  Commissionerto  givethe  Committee
  his  reasons for  notwantingtheStateto  render directaid.
  Commissioner  McGinnis  felt  thelocalcommunities  wouldbe
  moreawareof  the  problems in  theirarea, and  thus  wouldbe
  morecapableof  handling  them  thancouldbe  donefromJuneau.
  He  feltthe  Statecouldsetstandards and  manage the  funding,
  but  thatthe  actual directservices should be  doneon  a local
  level.  Therewas  extensive  discussion. concerning local
  communities  whereit was dssiredthatStateassumerespon-
) sibility  for various reasons, primarily  lack  offinances and
  facilities. SenatorSackett askedwhatpercentage matching
  fundswererequired by  localcommunities  and  Mr.Ramagestated
  it was25  percent.
  Senator Croftstated  hefeltsocie kindof  grant  program  'to
  enablethecommunities  to  provide facilities wasnecessary.
  Commissioner  McGinnis  statedif  fundswereavailable to  assist
  thelocal  governmentsin building  facilities,  the  Department
  wouldhaveno  objection, buthe  did  notwantto  see  the  State
  be  responsible  for  direct treatment.Therewasextensive
  discussion  concerning building  facilities,  cooperating  with
 )otheragencies and  sharing of  facilities,  andthen  discussion
  of  the.problem  whereno  otherfacilities  wereava~lable •
. ~
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) SenatorThomas askedtheCommissioner  to  givehisviewson
 J
 theportion of  tne  bill  pertainingto  arrests,  and  if  he
 thought theyhadfoundsomesolution to  thisproblem.The
 Commissionerstated  he'felt  thecommittee  should solicit
 inf6rmationfromlaw  enforcementofficials as  he  hadnot
 heard anything in  the  pastfewmonthsin  regard to  this
 problem.Senator Harris statedthathearings hadbeen  held
 last  summer  by  the  DrugAbuseCommittee  andit wasevident
 atthat  timethatthisstill was verymucha  problem for
 lawenforcement  agencies.
 There was  further discussion  concerning  the  25  percent matching
  fundsby; localcommunities  andCommissioner  McGinnis  stated
 that  percentagewasnot  necessarilya cashmatch, but  "in  kind ll  •
 Healsostated  that the  percentage  figure mi~ht be adjusted
 ona population  basis, whichwouldhelpthesmallvillages.
 HestatedtheDepartment would have  noobjection to  a  change
 inthe  formula so  thatthe  smaller  villages  would  be  ableto
  come  up  withmatching  fundsin  some  proportion.
 Meeting adjourned  at  10:00a.m.
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I
 HEALTH,EDUC'ATION& SOCIALSERVICES COMMITTEE MEETING
 February12,  1974
  8:30  a.m.
 PRESENT:  AllCommitteemembers.  Presentto  testify on SB  320  were
  Mr.  LeeHayes  fromS.O.S.,Mr.  Emil  Kowalczyk, AreaDirector
  of  the  B.I.A., and  Mr.  Bill  Thompson from  the  Department of
  Education.Also  present to testify from  the  Department of
  Health&  SocialServiceswereCommissioner McGinnis and
  DeputyCommissioner  McClain.
  SB  320Senator Thomascalledthe meeting to  order  andstated  the
Committee wouldfirst  consider SB  320.He  askedwhy  the
 )
Statesh~uld rebuild  thisschoolif  it was  a  BIA  school.
Mr.  Hayesexplained that  SOS  hadthe  schoolunder  a  use
permitwLththe  BIA,  and  thatthe  terms  oj  the  permitwere
suchthat  the  State  mustcarrya  certainamountof  insur-
ance(in  this  case$60,000)and  thatafter  a  catastrophe
of  thissort,  the  BIAhad  no moniesotherthan  theinsur-
ancewith  whichthe  schoolat  Deeringcouldbe rebuilt.
Mr.  Kowalczyk statedthatthe  BIA  was  unableto  transfer
title  tothe  schooluntillegal  issueswereresolved (Alaska
NativeClaimsSettlement  Act),  but  had  issuedthe  Statea
'use permit.  Underthe  terms  of  this  permit, the  State  was
responsible  for  damagesto  the  school. Mr.Hayes  toldthe
Committee he  understood from  the  Department  of Administration
thateven  though$60,000insurance had  beenrequired,that
actually therehad  been  closeto  $130,000in  insurance and
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I
  that  moneywasava~lable totheStateforreconstruction
  )
  of  the  school.SenatorHensley  expressed  concernabout
  construction  of  theschool, and  whether  it would be  possible
  to  havea facility  available foruse  bynextfall. He
  askedif  the$400,000would be  sufficient  to  provide adequate
  facilities  and  Mr.  Hayes gaveapproximatecost  figures for
  the  structure,  roughly $100to  $120persquarefoot.  He
 wasconcerned  aboutbeingableto  bring waterand  sewer
  facilities  up  to  Statestandards. Therewasfurtherdis-
  cussion concerning whatwasbeingdonenowwiththe  students
  and  it was explained thatonebuilding hadnot  burned and
  classeswerebeingheld--double shifting--in  that  building.
 )Senator Croftmovedthatthe  bill  bepassed outof  Committee
 with a do  passrecommendation.Therewereno  objections.
  GENERAL  Senator Thomassaid  hehadaskedCommissionerMcGinnis to
  HEALTH &
  SOCIALappearandgive  testimony  on  someof  thebills  before  the
  SERVICES
  Committee,  as  wellas  his  general viewof  Health &  Social
  Service legislation. He  askedtheCommissionerfor  his
  viewson  the  runaway minorbill  which  is  now  inSenator
  (SB  45) Ziegler's JUdiciary  Committee.Mr.McGinnis  stated  hefelt
  the  chronic runaway was  a  difficult  problem andshould  be
  dealt  with, but  he  didnotfeel  theoccasional  runaway
  should  bearrested  and  dealt  with in  thesamemanneras  the
  chronic runaway.  Senator Thomas askedMr.  McGinnis  to  give
 )
 histho~ghts to  Senator Ziegler.
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I
  (Medicaid) SenatorThomas  asked  the  Commissionerto give  the  Committee
  ~-~
 his  thoughts  on  Medicaid. The  Commissionersaid  he felt  it
 was  good--thatmore  people  were  getting  more  serviceson a
 more  equitablebasis  than  ever before,at  less  cost to  the
 State. He gave  the  Committ~e somefacts  and  figuieson this
 subjectand statedthat a  comprehensive~eport onMedicaid
 would  be  submittedto the  Committee  withina few  days--the.
 reportis now  at the  printers.
  (Pipeline  SenatorThomas  asked  the  Commissionerwhat  the  Department
  Impact)
 was  doing  about  pipelineimpact.Mr.  McGinnisstated  they
 had  requestedadditionalspace  and stafffor the  Anchorage
  area, they  have  started  intensivetrainingfor both  new  and
 )  old  staff,  and  they  were  planning  to  request  the  same  for
 the  Fairbanksarea.The  Department  was  tryingto plan  ahead
 and  determinewhich  communitieswould  actually  be  impacted
  and what  their  needs  would  be.
 SB  251Senator  Thomas  asked  about  Health  MaintenanceOrganizations
  and Mr.  McGinnis  statedthe Departmenthad  no objectionto
  the bill,  but  commentedthat the  cash  reserve  neededto set
  up HMO's  might  be excessivein  some  cases  and suggesteda
 bond  might  be  written  to  cover  this,  without  having  to  tie
  up cash  reserves. He stated  he  felt  that  HMO's  could  actually
 be  formed  under  existingstatutes,  but  he  had no  objection
  to the  bill  and felt  every  Stat~ shouldbe  able  to organize
) HMO's.
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Langdon SenatorCroftaskedCommissioner McGinnis aboutthe  Langdon
\  Clinic&
  )Methodone  Clinicin  Anchorage and  if  it wasnow  operating.
Treatment
  statedthey  had  beengivenan  extensionsincethe  last  in-
  spection showedthe  clinic  hadclearedup  the  deficiencies,
  and  thatthe  Department wouldextendfundinguntilJune  30
  if  no  new  problemsarose.  There  wasextensivediscussion on
  the  clinicand  methodone as  a  treatment.  The  Commissioner
  pointedout  thatthe  clinicdealswith  only  25  peopleand
  that  according to  the  Anchorage Boroughthereare  approxi-
  mately500  heroinaddictsneeding treatment.  He  said  he
  had  talkedto  officials in  .the boroughin  Anchorage to  see
  what  theywere  goingto  do  about  the  problem, but  no  answers
  were  forthcoming  at  the  presenttime. He  stated  hefelt  the
  Department shouldsupplyfunding, when  available, and  set
  )
  standards, but  thatthe  localcommunities shouldbe  giving
  directaid. SenatorCroftasked  if  the  Department hadany
  figureson  expenseper  person for  the  LangdonClinicand. the
  Commissioner  indicated the  Department wouldfurnishthis
  information to  the  Committee.
SB  288 SenatorThomasaskedthe  Commissioner  for  his  viewson
  creating a Department of  Healthand  Mr.  McGinnis said  he
  did  not  feelit wasin  the  publicinterest  tocreatea new
  Department.He  felt  this  wouldbe  a  step  backward20  years.
  There  wasextensive discussion on  a separate department and
  th~ administrationof  suchdepartment being  in  the  handsof
  )  doctorsvs.administrators.He  gave  the  Committee statistics
  on  states  whopresently have  departments  of  health  vs.  those
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 under  the  "umbrella"  concept  as Alaska  is now,  and the
 Commissionerdid not  feel  it was in the  State's  best
 interest  to  pass this  bill.(36 states  have  "umbrella"
 agency;  19  of the  36 have health  departmentas part of
 the  "umbrella"  agency i rest  of States  have separate
 departmentof health.)
  SB 299  Senator  Thomas  asked  about work  furloughs  for  prisoners
 and  Mr. McGinnis  stated  he did  not feel  the  Court should
 make  those  decisions--he  did  not feel  they were  adequat~ly
 staffed  to handlesuch a program.He  stated  the Department
 would  hav~ a  report  on this program  within  a week  or  ten
 days,  which  would be  made available  to  the Committee.
) SB 321  Senator  Thomas  asked  for comments  on  amending  the Uniform
 Narcotic  Drug  Act  and Commissioner  McGinnisstated  he would
 like  to defer  testimony  on that  bill  until he  was able  to
 study  it  further.There was  no objection  by  the Committee.
  SB 328  Senator  Thomas  asked  for comments  on  SB 328  and the
 Commissionerstated  he was wholeheartedlyin  agreement  with
 this  bill.He felt  it was  imperative  to have  funds pro-
 vided  for researchand planning F especiallyin a Department
 where  so many  different  programs  were  carried  out.  There
 was  discussiQn  pertaining  to  the percentage  of  budget  that
 should  be used  for  planning  and evaluation,and whether  this
 should  apply  only  to the Department  of  Health  & Social
 Services  or  all Departments;whether  the percentage  should
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  be  2%,1%or  0.5%.  After furtherdiscussion, Senator
 j
  Croft moved thatthebill  be passed outofCommittee  with
  individualrecommendations.  There wasno  object~on.
 SCR14  Senator  Croft asked for  commentsonSCR14  andMr.McGinnis
  stated theDepartmentwasinsupport  of  thebill  and  felt"
  sucha  study waslongoverdue.  senator Croft  movedthat
  theCommittee  pass thisResolution outofcommittee  with
  a  do  pass recommendation  withanamendmenttoadd: "and
  to  theFirst Session  of  theNinth  StateLegislatur€"  on
  Page2,Line1. There werenoobjections.
 GENERALCommissioner McGinnisstated  the  Departmentwould prepare
 (SB310
)~  SB  344)  position  papers  on  thevarious  bills in  Committee.  Senator
  Thomas remindedDeputy Commissioner McClainthattheCom-
  mittee waswaiting  forthefiscal note forSB  310,.and  Mr.
  McClain  saidit would  beavailablein  a  fewdays.Senator
  Thomas asked about SB344  andMr.McClain  said therewasa
  slight change  in  thelanguage  ofthebillthat theDepartment
  would liketosubmit forconsideration  by  theCommitteeand
  it would  beready for  review  ina  couple of  days.
  Meeting  adjournedat  9:50 a.m.
)
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 JOINT  HEALTH,EDUCATION &  SOCIAL  SERVICES COMMITTEES MEETING
Februaryl~,  1974
  1:30  p.m.
 PRESENT: SenateHESS: All  members;HouseHESS: Mrs.BeLrne r  Dr.
Fritz,  Mr.  Wingrove, Mrs.  Chance (possibly otherscame  in}
Mrs.  Beirnecalledthe  meetingto  orderand  Lntroduced
Mrs.  MarionLampmanof  the  Association of  HospLtals, who
introducedMr.  PaulRame~ asking hLmto  explainthe  pro-
  posedhealthagencycenter.
  Mr.Ramey  saidin effect  they wouldconstruct  abuLlding
) whichwouldhouseall  health  agencies--specifically  designed
and  located,and  rest~icted to  use  of-health agencies.  He
went  into  greatdetailconcerning the  concept,pla~nLng,
designingand  fundingof  sucha center.  He  stated  that  if
the  State  wouldfund  the  feasibility  study,the  actual
fundingfor  the  rest  of  the  projectcouldbe  acquired  from
nationalphilanthropic  organizations  and  the  federal  govern-
  mente
Mrs.  Lampmanthen  introduced theirLegislatLve ChaLrman,-
-WIIN62.Jc10hd'  d . b' 11  dh' ..
Gary  n  .  N,w 0l.scussevarl.OUS l.  s  ant el.r opl.nl.ons
concerningthosebills. Summaryof  hiscommentsis  listed
below:
SB  32 -  Indicated support
HB  114  - Do  not  support.
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HB  280 - Extremelyexpensive  bill to  administer  so
 do  not support ..
HB  285 - Support  this  program.  (Passed  both bodies  and
sent  to Governor.)
HB  288 - Endorse  this  program.
HB  302 - Felt  this  not needed.
HB  552 - Good  concept  but not  needed.
HB  306 - Do  not support  this  bill.
HB  307 - Do  not support  this' bill.
HB  35& -  Would like  to drop  this one  and replace  it
 with  HB 549  or SB  329.
HB  438 and/or  SB 438  - Do not  support.
HB  548 and/or  SB 328  - Support  on preliminarybasis.
HB  440 and/or  SB 264  - Endorse  this bill.
)  HB  441 and/or  SB 263 Endorse  this bill.
HB  112 (also  proposed  Hospital  Assoc.  Bill)  - Certificate
  of Need  -  Support this--feelit very necessary_
 (Senator  Thomas  and secretary  had  to leave  meeting  at  this
  point  -- Association  of  Hospitals  supposed  to furnish  their
writtencomments  on above  legislation  and  any other  discussed
 at  meeting after  we left.)
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 JOINT  HEALTH,EDUCATION &  SOCIAL  SERVICES COMMITTEES MEETING
February14,  1974
 1:30  p.m ..
 PRESENT:Senate  Hess: All  membersi House  Hess: Rep.  Beirne, Fritz,
  Wingrove, Malone,Hackney & Hartig.
SenatorThomascalled  the  meetingto  orderand  introduced
Dr.  Darnellof theCenterfor Northern Educational Research,
Universityof  Alaska,who  prepared the  InterimCommittee
on Prehigher Education reportand recommendations.
Dr.  Darnellwent  over  the  reportand  recommendationsbriefly
)  for  the  Committee.  Dr.  Darnellfelt  it wasimportant for
the  Legislature to  give  direction to the  Departments--possibly
througha Resolution--but  recommended  that  legislation  per se
not  be drawnup  at  this  time. He  felt  that  the  Departments
of Education and  Community & RegionalAffairs could  work
togetherto  implementthe  recommendationsin  the  report.
He alsosuggestedthatthe  Departmentof  Education set  up  a
separatedivisionto  handlethis  problem.  He  felt  it was
necessaryfor  representativesfrom  each  Department to  work
togetherout  "in  the  field"to  instructthe  localcommunities
in how  to  set  up  schooldistricts, how  to  organize,to  teach
them  the  mechanics and  bookkeeping necessary, etc.,  but  that
the  decisionsas  to  the  form  of  educational priorities and
schooldistrictsshouldcome  fromthe  local  communities  and
not  be  directed  bythe  State.
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 Commissioner Lindstated  hefelt  the  reportand  recommendations
 were  excellent and  agreedwith  Dr.Darnellthat  the  matter
 could  be  handled withoutspecificlegislation;  possiblya
 Resolution that  woulddirectthe  Department.  Mr.Lind  felt
 there  wasa largeproblemwiththe  on-baseschoolsand  dis-
 cussedtheir  problems, the  concern of the  military in  general,
 and  how  their  problems and  concerns could  be  alleviated.
 He  then  discussed the  fundingnecessary, and  the  complications
 with  federal funds. He  felt  that  SOS  couldcontinue applying
 for  the  fundsuntilsuch  time  as  they  are  phasedout  of  con-
 trol  and  at  thattime  the  Department of  Education could  apply
 for  the  874  funds. He  did  notsee  any problem wi th  'this
 arrangement.There  wasextensivediscussion concerning the
 on-baseschools, decentralization  of  SOS  and  how  bestthis
 )
 could  be  accomplished.
 Mr.  Stan  Freese stated  the  military did  not  want  to  merge
 into  civilian schools,but  wantedto  have  theirown  schools
 with  localcontrol.  There  wasextensivediscussion concern-
 ing  the  military, on-baseschoolproblem.
 Mr.  PeterPartrowf~om theDepartment of  Law  testified  that
 in  his  opinionthe  existing statutesallowthe  Department of
 Education to  contract  withanother Departmentor  school
 districts for  services, so thatth~~ recommendationcould
 be  implemented.He hadreservations on  fundingproblems and
)other  problem areasand  felt  a  Resolutionshouldbe  drawnto
 show  legislative  intent,as  well  as  havinga committee report
 attached.
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  There  was  extensiv~ discussion concerningthe  mechanics
  of  solving  the  SOS decentralization, the  phasing  out  of
  BIA  schools,  the  local  entities  assuminglocal  control,
  and  funding  matters.
  Dr.  Darnell  told  the  Committee  he  felt  C.N.E.R.  should
  do  a £inancialstudy  of the  schools  and  discussed  the
  possibilitiesof  undertakingsuch  a.study.
 'Meetingadjourned  at  2:50 p.m.
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HEALTH, EDUCATION  & SOCIAL SERVICES COMMITTEE  MEETING
  February 15,1974
  /
8:30a.m.
PRESENT:  Allcommittee members.Alsonresent wereDr." FrankDarnell,
E.  DeanCoon& KathyHecht of  CenterforNorthern Educational
Research, University  of  Alaska; ByronMallott  and  Jack
Chenoweth of  theDepartment  of  Community  and  Regional  Affairs;
RobertIssac, Department  of  Education;  PeterPartrow,  Depart-
  ment of  Law;  Peter E.  Flisock, Galena CitySchools;"E.  W.
Borgen, Sr.,  Ketchikan  PulpCompany, andJanetBorgen; Stuart
Hall,Legislative  Affairs;  and  BillOverstreet,  Association
of  Alaska SchoolBoards.
)
RURAL Senator Thomasstated thatthis  meeting wouldbea continua-
SCHOOL
PROBLEMS tionof  the  discussion  heldduringtheJointH.E.S.S.
Committee M~eting on  February  14, "concerning  theruralschool
problem.  Senator Thomas askedwhy  theNativeRegional
Corporationsdid  notform  boroughs  and  takethe  education
problem in  hand. He  stated someof  the  urban areasdo  not
understand  why  theydo  not  wanttoform  a  tax  base.
Dr.  Darnell stated  the regional corporationboundaries  might
not  workforschooldistricts,  thatthe  regional  corporations
wereset  up  ~ith profit  motive in  mind,thatth~y have  other
charges to  dealwith,and  arenot  necessarilysocialagencies.
He  feltthat  while the  boundaries  of  regional  corporations
are  recognized  to  be  themostlogical divisions of  Alaska,
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  that  they are  not necessarily  what  school  district  boundaries
  should  be. i He felt  local interests  in the  larger  corpora-
  tions  vary quite  widely  and that  the school  districts  should
  not  cut across  regional  corporation  lines.
  Senator  Thomas  stated  that the  recommendations  in the  report
  were  broken  down in three  phases  with two  years as  a transitional
  period  and he  wondered  why this  shouldn't  move more  quickly.
  Dr.  Darnell  felt  that a two year  period was  needed  for special
  physical  considerations,time  for the communitiesto establish
  its  needs and  desires,  adequate  training  for those  who will be
  in  charge to  know what  school operationsentail,  and time for
  the  whole community  to  become  involved and  know what  to expect.
) He  said  he felt it was  very important  that  a special  division
  within  the Departmentof Education  be organized  and  that it
  be  independent  of the  rest of the  Departmental  functions  so
  it would  not  be bogged  down with  other functions  in·the  Depart-
  ment--and  suggested  that  this Division(or whatever  it  is called)
  might  even be  located  out of Juneau.
  There  was extensive  discussionconcerning  areas that  were
  ready  for immediateacceptance  of responsibility  for  ed~cation;
  the  pros and  cons of  areas establishing  second  class  cities
  for  purposes  of taking  on school  districts  only; and  possibility
  of  changing  requirements  of first  class cities  on a population
) basis  so that  the basic  s~ructuring of  first  and second  class
  cities  would'remainthe ~~me, but  the criteria  would  be less
  for  becoming  first  class cities--as  that relates  to  educational
  needs.
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 SenatorCroftaskedif  an  analysishadbeen  madein  regard
 to  the  legalaspects-  of  the  problem in  'regard  to  equalization
 of  education.  Dr.Darnellsaidthat  it hadbeentaken  into
 consideration,  especially  in  the  provisions of  the  localareas
 assuming authority, but  thatfinancing was  a problem and  that
 this  hadnot  been  adequately  studied.  He  wouldlike  to  see
 a  financial study  doneas  a sequelto  thisreport.  There  was
 furtherdiscussion onschool  boards askingfor  moniesfrom
 the  legislature,  but  not  wan~ing any  controls over  wherethe
 monieswerespent.
 SenatorCroftindicated he  wouldbe  interested in  seeingan
 evaluation of  the  success of  SOS  in  termsof  educational
 attainment,  comparedwithBIA  schools, rural~chool districts,
)
 with  Anchorage schools--oti a  quantative basis. Dr.  Darnell
 feltit wouldbe  very  difficult  to  comparethe  effectiveness
 of  urbanareas  andrural  areasgenerally;  that  it might be
 possible to  comparespecific  things,  but  felta comparison
 mightbe  more  of  a  disservice thanservice.
 SenatorHensley said  he  was  concerned  ab9ut  the'  possibility
 of  ~mall districts  rather than  largeones,becausethe  larger
 districts  might  be,  more effective in  getting things  done~
 Dr.  Darnell agreed  withthatand  said  he  did  notwant  to
 implythat  the  emergence of  smalldistricts ratherthanlarge
 borough districts  would be  better--that  one  type  wouldbe
 betterthanthe  other--but  what  they  wantedto  emphasize was
 thatthe  emergence of  schooldistricts  needs  to be  field
 initiated  rather  thanlaid  down  bythe  State.
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Senator Th6mas askedif  thatdecision wouldn't  actually
comefromthe  Departmentof  Community  & Regional  Affairs,
and  Dr.Darnell answered  in  the  affirmativeandexplained
thiswas  whytheyfeltit  imperative  theDepartmen~ of
Community  & Regional  Affairs and  Departmentof  Education
workclosely together.
Mr.  Mallott expressedconcern aboutthe  possibilityof
establishinglocalgovernmentsto  handle onlyeducational
needsandhe  feltthe  problem hadto  be  looked atin  the
wholecontext ofthe  wellbeingof  thepeople in  the
community.He  wasconcerned  aboutthird classboroughs
thatcarryon  onlyeducationalfunctions  and  donot
)
address the  problem  of  whatthesearea  will needin  other
service areas.  Senator Thomas askedMr.Mallott if  he
did  notthinkthethird.class  borough might leadon  toa
 ~
full  borough. Mr.  Mallot said  hewasn't against this
onlyconcerned  whether a  third 'class borough  in  this
concept hadany  realmeaning,  and  if  it  shouldn't  bea
transitional  measure.
Senator Thomas said  hehad  thefeeling thatif  thelegislature
was  notdefinite  in  defining the  wayit wanted  thetwo
Departmentsto  act,thatone  mightwanttoset  up  entities
to  handle education  and  theothermightholdoutuntil all
othergovernmentalservices  couldbe  supplied,  andthat  might
takeforever.Mr.  Mallott said  hewasnotopposed to  the
mechanism  that  would allowthese needsto  be  met,butwas
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 opposedto  imethods  that  wouldstopthat  development.
 SenatorThomasasked  Mr.  Mallott if  he  felt  thetwo
 Departments could  worktogether on  this  problem and Mr.
Mallott said his  Department had  workedwiththe  Education
 Department in the  past--  that  hisDepartmental policy
hadalways  beento  gatherinformation  and  providehelp
whichwouldenablethe  localentities to  settle  their
 own problems --  and  he  did  not  foresee any  problemsin
working with  the  Department of  Education.
 SenatorSackettintroduced  Mr. PeterFl~sock from  Galena
 City  Schoolsand  askedhim  to  tellthe  Committee the
problems his  area  wasexperiencing.Mr.  Flisock gave
)
 extensivetestimony on  the  problems in  Galena: why  they
 becamea firstclass  ci ty i fundingproblems;  conce.rn  of
 being  incorporated  into  a  thirdclass  borough; difficulty
 of operating schools, etc.;and  expressed a desirefor
 legislation that  wouldenable~ny school underthe  size
 of twelve instructional unitsto  receive $50,000from  the
 State  to  helptake  care  of  utility costs  in  the  schools.
 He ~lso expressedthe  opinionthatforcingschoolboundaries
 on thelocal  peoplewouldbe  a disastrous  step  for  the
 State  to  take.  He  alsosuggested that  a program be  set
 up  at the  University of  Alaskawhereby individuals from
 communities arourid  the  statecouldcome  and  learnhow  to
 cope  with  the  problems and  technicalitiesof theschools
 the
 and  then  returnto  theirlocal  communities  and  inform/rest
 of  their  community --  this  in  lieuof thetwo  Departments
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  sending peqple  from-their  respective  Departments  to  the
  local communities. Senator Thomas  said  the Committee  would
  take this  suggestion  under consideratio~.
  Senator  Thomas said  he would like  the Departments  of  Education
  and Community  & Regional  Aff~irs get  together  and propose
  draft  legislation, whether  by Resolutionor otherwise,  to
  implement  the recommendationscontained  in the report.
  Dr. Darnell  gave the  Committee  copies of  a CNER proposal
  for a  study of School  Finance Planning  and  also copies  of
  a proposed  Resolution  for that  study.Senator Sackett  asked
  Dr. Darnell  if  he had draft legislation  based  on the
) recommendations  in  the report,  and Senator  Thomas expl~ined
  that  Stuart Hall of  Legislative  Affairs had  been assigned  to
  help the  Committee with  this problem.
  Meeting  adjourned  at 9:45 a.m ..
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 I
  HEALTH,  EDUCATION ANDSOCIAL  SERVICESCOMMITTEEMEETING
February19,1974
9:00 aom.
PRESENT:  SenatorsThomas,  Harris,  Sackett&  Croft.
 SB  324  Senator  Thomas  called  themeeting  toorder andasked the
 committeetoconsiderSB324. There  wasa  verybrief
 discussion of  thebill andSenatorHarris moved that it
 be  passed  outofcommitteewith a  dopassrecommendation.
 There wasnoobjection.
 SB  344  Senator  Thomas  then asked thecommitteetoconsiderSB  344.
)
 Hegavethe committeemembers  copies  of  suggested changes
 in  the languageof  thebill  received  fromCommissioner
 McGinnis.  There wasdiscussion onthechanges  inthe
 languageandit was  decided  toamend thelanguage.  Senator
 Harris moved  that thecommitteedraft a  Committee Substitute
 toincorporate thelanguagesuggestedbytheDepartment of
 Health  andSocial  Services  andpass CSSB 344outofcommittee
 with a  do  pass recommendation.  There were no  objections.
 SB  321  Senator  Thomas  brought  upSB321,AmendingtheUniform
 NarcoticDrugAct, andsaid there hadbeen discussion in  a
 previousmeeting  concerning having  a  hearing  on  this.He
 asked thecommittee fortheir thoughtson  having  such a
 hearing  inAnchoragerather  than in  Juneau  so  that it might
 be  possible to  have someofthejudges  in  attendance to
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 testify on their  views  concerning  the drug problems. There
--~was  further  idiscussion on this matter  and a  tentative  date
was  set for  a hearing  in Anchorage  by both Senate  and  House
HESS  Committees  on March  1.  The  Staff  Assistant was requested·
 to contact the  House HESS  Committee  to see if  this would  be
 agreeable with  them; to  contact Jamie  Love, Family  House,  and
 the Department  of Health  & Social  Services.Senator Harris
 stated  he would contact  the judges  in Anchorage.The  Staff
Assistant  will  also obtain  a place  for the meeting.andmake
 ~ll  arrangements for the  hearing.
 Senator Thomas  then reminded  the  Committee of  upcoming
meetings:with  the vocational  Advisory  Council  at 8:00  a.m.,
February  20i  Joint HESS  meeting with  the State  Medica1  Associa-
 )
 tion on February  21; and  also informed  the committee  that  he
 and Mrs. Beirne  would be  meeting with  the SOS  Board at  1:30  p.m.
 today and  any member of  the committee  would be  welcome  to
 attend.
 Senator Thomas  informed  the Committee  he had  asked for  a
 study on teachers'  retirement  fund  from the Departmentof
 Education and  the study  is supposed  to be furnished  by  the
 end of this week.This  was due to  the fact that  there
~re  several  teachers' retirement  bills  pending  before th~
 Committee at  the present  time.
Meeting  adjourned  at 9:15  a.m.
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 JOINT  HEALTH,  EDUCATION  & SOCIAL  SERVICES  COMMITTEESMEETING
 Fe~ruary 21,1974
  1:30 p.m.
  PRESENT:SENATE  HESS:Senators  Thomas  .and Harris
 HOUSE  HESS: Reps.  Beirne,  Fritz,  Hackn~y &  Petersen
 ALASK~ MEDICALASSOCIATION: Dr.  Rod Wilson,  Chairman  of
 LegislativeCommittee,  and  Doctors  Albrecht,  Fraser,  Langdon,
 and  Wallner  of Anchorage;Dr. Hedges  of Juneau
 DEPARTMENTOF HEALTH  & SOCIAL  SERVICES: Commissioner  McGinnis,
 Deputy  CommissionerMcClain,  and  Dr. Donald  K. Freedman,
 Directorof Division  of Public  Health.
)Senator  Thomas  called  the  meeting  to order.  Introductions
 were  made  and then  Dr. Wilson  gave  a brief  summary  of the
 topics  to  be discussed.
 No-faultinsurance  - Dr. Wilsonstated the  Association  hoped
 this  would  pass.He expressed  concernedthat the  free con-
  ference committeemight rewrite  the  dollar  amount  in the bill,
 and  felt  if  lowered it  could no  longer be  considered"nofault".
 He  also expressedconcern  that the  torte  ceiling  might be
 changed ..
  SB  35  Treatmentof alcoholism  in  group health  plan~ -  D~.  Wilson
 said  the Associationfavored  this  bill except  for  some minor
 changes  in  wording  concerning  hospitals.
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  SB  359 Coveragefor newborns  - The  Association  is in  favor of  this
 bill  and  stated it  was their  understanding  there  would  be
 no  great increasesin the costs,  bas€d  on" information  from
 other  states.They  would like  to have  the bill  passed  this
 year.Senator  Thomas  requested  Dr. Wilson  to  furriish the
  committee with  statistics  from  other  states on  costs,  etc.
SB 264 WAMI  Program  - Dr.  Wilson stated  he hoped  the  committees
  continued  to look with  favor  on the WAMI  program;  that  in
 the  future  the State  would probably  be  asked  to participate
 to  a larger  extent  in the program. Senator Thomas  said  the
 bill  had passed  out  of Senate  HESS and  was now  in Senate
 Finance  Committee. Representative  Beirne  said  there was
) also a bill  in the  House.
 Alaska  Health  Sciences  Information  Center  (Medical  Library)
  Dr. Wilson  felt this  facility  was used  by many  different
  agencies,  not just  the medical  profession,  and  was a very
  important  contribution  to Anchorage. He said  it had been
 mostly  funded  by the  Public  Health Service;  some  funds  from
  other sources,  such  as the National  Library  of  Medicine;  but
  funds from  State a~e  increasing  each year~Total  amount
  needed this  year  is $47,000,  thus a  supplemental  appropria-
  tion has been  requested  for  an additional  $17,000  (only
  $30,000  in budget)  which will  provide  the sa~aries fortwo
  of the six  employees  (other  salaries  are funded  from other
  sources).Dr. Wilson  said  the facility  is used  by all
  Alaskans  in all  walks of  life.  Dr. Beirne  asked  Dr. Wilson
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to  furnish the  commit~ee withstatistics  showinghowmany
doctors use  thefacility, from  whatpartsof  theState
and  Dr.Wilsonstatedthat80  percent of  the  doctors in  the
Stateuse  thelibrary.  He  felt  thiswasa verylargeper-
centage indeed,andhopedthe  committee would look  favorably
  ~
on  thisfacility in  light  of  extrad~dinary benefitsforlow
cost.
Medicaid -  Dr.  Wilsondistributed  copies of  a result 'of a
surveydoneby  the  Chairman of  theirMedicaid  Committee,
Dr.  Robert Whaley,on  attitudes  concerning theMedicaid
program.  Report showedpatients represented  aboutfiveto
six  percent of  the  doctors' practice.Alsoshowedthatthe
doctors' billsare  discounted  by  20  to  30  percent.  It
)  wasalso  indicated thatpayments to  doctors were  "low  and
 survey
slow".  Therewas  discussion  concerning the/report  and  was
determined  at  the  timethe  surveywasmade,payments to
doctors wereslow,  butthe  problem had  beenrectified and
at  the  present time,payments are  madewithin elevendays
of  receipt of  bills. Therewasfurtherdiscussion  concerning
thedoctorsgetting their  bills in  soonerfor  payment, par-
ticularly  at  the  end  of  the  year.  Dr.  JohnDalton,Medical
Officer for  the  Division of  Medical Assistance  statedthat
thelaw  requires that  theypay  no  morethanwhat  Medicare
paysfor  similiar services and  theydo  pay100  percerit  of
thatfigure.
  SB  74  & Coroner's  Inquests - Dr.  Wilson saidthis  bill  would replace
  HB  44
 coronersdetermining  causeof  deathwitha modern medical
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 examiner.H'e  felt  thebillshould  bedelayed fora year
 toenablethe  Associati~n to workon  the  billa  little
 more.  Theywere  notsatisfied  with  it  asit was.
SB  251H.M.O.'s  - Dr.Wilsonstated the  Associationwas  against
 thisbillas  it  is  written.They  werenotagainst H.M.O.'s
 andencourage thedeve~opment ofH.M.O.  IS,but  didnot  feel
 thebill  wasneeded.  Hefelt  thefederal legislation  would-
 supersede  thestatelegislation  anyway, and  hefelt  this
 particular  bill  would discourage  rather thanencourage H.M.Oels.
 Rep.Beirne statedthattheLegislative  Council is  working
 onthis--that Region 10  hadindicated thefederal legislation
 didnot  prohibit  state's from  having an  enabling actand
)
 guidelines. Therewasfurther discussion  concerning  this
  subject--  CommissionerMcGinnis  stated  hehad  beentold
 thebill  wasneeded, thatstateguidelines  wereneededin
  formation of  H.M.O.'s.
HB  280Alaska health security  plan  for  catastrophe  health insurance;
  establishing  Health Security Commission  -Dr.  Wilson stated
 theAssociation  wasagainst this  bill.  He  feltit wasunwise
  for  the  statetoget  in  thisbusiness thisyear  because  of
 pending federal legislation.
HB  112 Certificate  of  Need- TheAssociation  disfavors  this  bill.
SB  288 Creation of  separate Department  of  Health - Extensive  testimony
 wasgivenby  Dr.C.  EarlAlbrecht (copyattached).Dr.Langdon
 A
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stated therewere di1£erencesofopinion  in  theAssociation
concerningthisbill.  Some support  the  bill, others  do  not.
  Hefeltthere were-  twopoints ofcontentioninthebill:  one
  wastheAdministrative  Board concept  andtheother  was  taking
the  part of  theDepartmentjhowever  hefelttheBoard wasthe
  rna j 0  r J? 1;0bl em. Hefeltit was imperativethat theBoard
  members  should not serveatthe  pleasureof  theGovernor,but
should serve forfiveor  six  year  terms and.  onlybe  removed
forcause.  "He  felt  the Departmentshould bekepttogether
as  the"umbrella"concept,  withpossiblya  policy making
  board. Senator Thomas asked about theadvisory  board the
Departmenthadnow  under thepresent  set-up,  andDr.Langdon
stated  he wastalking  about an  administrative  board--a  policy
)
  making  board.Senator Thomas  asked how  many states had
separate  DepartmentsofHealth nowandwhat the  trend was.
Dr.  Albrechtsaidthere weretwenty-some-oddstates  with
separate  departmentsnow; thatthetrend hadbeentohave
more"umbrella"departments formed buthefelttheir effective-
nesshasgonedown.  There wasfurther  discussionconcerning
funding ofa" separate  deparment,andpresent  budget figures
for  "health programs  in  theDepartment of  Health &  Social
Services. Mr.McGinnis  stated  thatthe  present  budget  for
all  health  programs  wasapproximately  $61,000,000andhe
suspected  that $70,000,000forhealth programsthroughout
theState  would  notbefar  wrong.Rep. Fritzstated  he  felt
thetestimony  given byCommaMcGinnisfavored thecreation
of  a  separate  Department of  Health.Dr.Wilson said in  the
pastDepartments of  Health helped  to  control  infectious
  _  c::: _
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 diseases and  thatis  not  reallyneedednow,and  thatas  new
 programs are  neededit'must  be decidedwhichhad  priority.
 He  felt  it  wasimperative thatthere  bea professional  hoard
 to  determine theseneedsand  priorities.
SB  267Healtheducation -  Dr.  Langdon read  a  statement  preparedby
 his  wife,presently President of  theState  P.T.A., stating
 that  health education was  badlyneededin  theschools,but
 thatshe  felt  SB  267  wouldnot  begin to  accomplish the
 desiredresults.Dr.  Langdonsaidshe  suggested  a Resolution
 encouraging  the  development  of  healtheducation and  making
 fundingpossible wouldbe  moreappropriate  than  a  mandatory
 hill. Dr.  Wilson said  he  felt  health education was  an
)appropriate ,topicin  the  schools,butfeltit waSunwise
 to  specifyfamily or  whateve~ topicso  Hefelt  the  topics
 to  be  discussed in  the  schools shouldbe  anatomy,and
 physiology--structure  and  function of  the  body--studentsshould
 grow  up  knowing whatit  is  and  how  it works? and  thesesubjects
 can  be  taughteffectively  andinterestingly  in  all  gradelevels.
 He  agreedthatthis  shouldbedone  by  Resolution rather than
 mandatory bill. Dr.Fraserstatedshe  feltit wasmost
 important to  havepreventive education--students  shouldlearn
 how  to  takecare  of  themselves,  and  thatthereshould  bea
 closerworking relationship 'betweenthedoctorsand  schools.
 Therewas  extensive discussion  concerning thissubject.
HCR  43Dr.'  Wilson  urged supportfor  several health-related  resolutions,
(1973)
 suchas HCR43  from1973  pertaining to  stretchers  of  a uniform
  -  h -
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 typein  publicbuildings  and  hospitals foruse  in  timesof
 disasters.
GENERALDr.  Wilson saidthey  werealsoin  favorof  havingmore  medical
 programs in  the  pioneer homes; that  the~ssociation wasin
 favorof  theResolution introduced  last  yearconcerning  health
 planning--hefelt  thatall  doctors and  all  health agencies
 shouldbetalkingtogether and  planning what"to do  about"  health
 problems.
HB  358Community mental healthclinics -  Dr.  Langdon stated -the
SB  329
 Association,in  general,wasin  favorof  thisbill,but  he
)personally  did  notfeel  it was neededdue  to  theadventof
 Medicaid.
HCR  43Rep.Beirnestated  that theHospital Association  had  indicated
(1973)
 therewas  noneed  forthis  bill.  Dr.  Fritzexplained this
 wasemergency equipment foruse  in  timesof  disasters.He
 gavean  example of  an  airplane crashwhere  manyliveswere
 lost  because  stretchers  were  not  available  and  theycouldnot
 getthem  in  time.
 Meeting adjourned at3:00  p.m.
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~1\:~8tilnony  by Dr. C.  Earl  '/\lbrechi:, r1.D~  beforethe
COffdni ttc.es considering Bou ~~e Bill  if l}  3 8 It An A:-t Cre.a t  ing
the  Department of  Health, prescribing its  o~ganization)
power8and  duties; a.nd providing, an effective date".
Thankyou  for  the  opportunity  to  .appear  beforethis  committee ..
  By  testimony is  in  su.ppor~ of  this bill  in  princ.iple.  Thereare
some  important,  modificationsor  amendm~nts thatI feel  verystrongly,
  needto  be  changed.  r', Hill direct  myremarksto  theseat  a  later
I a~ testifyingon myoen  behalfand  also  as  thecurrent
  president of  the  Alaska PublicHealthAssocia~ion.In  the  latter
  r;ole  I willbe  veryspecific  asto  the  corrunents  being  madeas
  thepresident of  the  /\laska  PublicHealthAssociation.
)  It  is  my  personalconviction  that  it  wouldbe  desirable for
  ~he Stat~ of  Alaskato  establish  a Boardof  Healthas provided"
  by  theconstitution  1n Section 26.Health is co~sidered by  all
  of  us  as  a  very  precious possession and  onlywhen  we  loseit
temporarily or  for  longerperiods of time,do  we  realize in  very
clear  perspective  ho~ valuable  our  healthhas  been. Thefunction
  of  government  is  clearly  defined  in our  constitution;  namely, that
the  Stateshall  promote and  protectthe  publichealth in  i,ts
  braadest terms.  This  cov~rs the maint€nance  of  healthas  well  as
the  deliveryof  health services.  One  responsibility' of  any
department of  health,therefore,is  to  maintainhealt~ and  to
preventillnessfroIn  becomi ng  rnOY 1 e Sel"J.OUS 01'"\ froJI'.. occurring at all.
The  l'esponsibili.ties,  programsand  activities  assignedto
the  Divisionof  Healthareof  such  importance thata separate
dC'partGent::)'~eras des irable so  that  a  sharperfoelE;  on heal tll  can
be achieved.
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The  promotion  andprotection  of  health 1S  undergoini  rapid
advancement  andcharigenot  onlyin  Alaska butin  everystate  as
health
well  ~s at the  Federal  level.  A greiter~ emphasis is  developing
and  willintensify  in  the·future. For'  example, l1edicarev,Jas
adopted recently,  thencame  Medicaid,  andnow  weare  anticipating
national health lnsurance. Thesenlan~  pressures  for  thechangein
the  delivery  of  health services deserve thehighest fulltime
attention  by  the  executive  bra~ch of  government  as  wellas  the
legislature. Suchmajorresponsibilities  should be  vested
ln  a.cabinet  member as  is  provided forin  thisBill.
Another  reason thatI advocate  thischangeis  thedesirability
of  removing all  ofthehealthprograms  fromthe  othe~ social
servicesand  welfaref~nctions.  No  matter how  muchonetries  there
is  theindelible association  between  health and  welfare whenthey
)
are  ln  thesamedepartment. Theconcept and  theperceptions  that
peoplehave in  general is  thatin  welfare, relief is  given, public
assistance  is  offered toa certain  percentage  of  the  popUlation
who  arein  needandare  deserving  of  thistypeof  assistance.
However, whenit  comes to  theadministration  ofthepublichealth,
.-
thisreaches beyond the  level of  welfare need. It  mustbea serVlce
program to  all  peopl~ ofthe  State  without  regard to  theneedfor
eligibility  forwelfare assistance. An  argument  against such
separation  is  thatsocial services  are  often  needed  by  people who
are  notnecessarilyon  relief  or  receiving assistance  underthe
welfare programs.Theidealis  to  treat any  person or  individual
to  meethisphysical,  socialandp~ychological needs  in  onepackage.
Thereis  noreason~hy ·aseparate Department  of  Health carinotbe
concerned  witha  patient's physical,  mental, psychol6gical and
indeed social service  requirements.  In  manygooddepartments
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  1
for'exaTIlple,the1 e are  medical social serv icestaff  to meet  those'
'., (
  )
special l1l2eds.Thus  it  is  possible  tooff8rthe totalservices  to
any individualneeding the  services  related tohealth.
the HealthDepartment  .can  and wouldcooperatewith  this  Department
ofSocial Services wheneversuch needsexistInapatient  coming
totheirattention.
It  is  myfeeling that  all  of  the health programsshould  be
adminisiered  together  thus  pulling out the health  programs fro~
the Departmentof Healthand  SocialServices. Health is  an  imp~rtant
program and lSnot asmallpart  ofahuge  program asmeasuredin
dollars. I  understand that the  total  Department of  Health  and  Social
Services  budgetthis  year  may be inthe neighbourhoodof  onehundred
 n:.~'-«-~~,",
million dollars,  ~dhereas  the  total  Heal t.h1ie:.t.~~ appropriation
 ) will  beapproximatelysix  milliondollars. This  is  a verj  small
 /
proportionof the total  whichcausesan.overshadowingby The huge
appropriations that  must go into  the so-calledsocial services
or  welfare  programs.  Onthe other  hand, aDepartmentwith  abudget
ofsix  million dollars and the many  responsibilitiesassigned  to
such  a  Department ofHealth  justifies  Cabinet status and special
consideration.  This  wouldnot beasmalldepartment for there
are several rlepartments presentlyinour  AlaskanStato  ~overnment
  .  .
that  are smaller  butwhichdoenjoyCabinet  status.
Another reason fora  Department  ofHealth isthat  this  isa
specialized  type of governmental  program. There  is a  closerelation-
ship  with  all  of  the programsin  health administration whichare
i~cluded in the  Bill before you.All  ofthe Mental Hygiene pro-
gramswould  be carried out inadistinct  Division.  Other[;ealtil
related responsibilities  de~l withalcoholism and drug  abuse.
Health Services  under  Medicare  and Medicaid  wouldbe included  and
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\"hen  Nat iona.l  Health Insurance  becomes a reality thisvlould
naturally  be  administeredhere. Thusall  aspects  of  health would
  ('
be  convenientlyhoused in  one  Department  withtheExecutive  having
Ca.bii1et  status.
 My  opinion andconviction  for  a  separate  department  comes
fromhaving beenan  administratorat  cabinet 6r  assistant  cabinet
levelin  public health 2nd  mental health in  thr~e states  with seven
governors,  fourdemocrats  andthreerepublicaris.I  havealso  had
theopportunity  overtheyear 'ofhavingpersonal  knowledge  of  many
ofotherstate  commissioners ofhealthandam  familiar withtheir
programs. I havepersonal  knowledge ofthe  situation  that  has
 developed  1n  some  states  where  health has  beena  partof  a  large
umbrella  typeDepartment  suchas  we  havein  Alaska.  Rarely do
wefindsupporters  of  thistypelargeadministrativedepartment
)amounghe-a 1th  administrators.  In  Pennsylvaniaattempts  have  been
madeto  bring HealthandWelfare Departmentstogether but  when
 it  was  attempted  it  wasfoundnot  to  besatisfactory  largely
because  of  the  hugewelfare program as  compared  to  the  Health
 Dept.primarily  measured in  dollars expended  for  the  manyvaried
 programs.Whenone  looks at  the  numerous programs  presently
housed l.n Depar~ment of  Health  and  Social Services,  one  is
 amazedat  thebroadscope of  the  manyvaried, complicated~  difficult
 programs to  administer.
 Totestify  .insupport of  thisbill  I  recognize  thatit  is
 pulling out  a  majorportion of  thepresent department. I hesitate
 to  speakso  firmly at· thet ifile \·.,ihen Comrni3sioner FredMcGinnis  1S
 the  l'esponsiblc. cabinet mernberfor  theseprograms.I  havethe
 gredtest respect forhim  andfind  th2.t  he  hasdonean  outs·tanding
 dnd  remarkable  administrative  piece  of  workwiththe  numerous
 responsibilities andvariedprograms  that  he  mustadminister. Not
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everyone can  alwaysagreewithany  administrator  and  leaderandI
am  surethat  ComDlissioner~ UcCinnishas  at  timesnot  had  agreement
 -)of  a.ll  incJ i v idu.als . J But let  me make  it  very  clea-r  tha t any  good
a.oministrator  doing  his  jobis  subjectto  this  in  r'E:_alit~y. I
certainly  \-lishto  commend - COJ1uniss ione.r HcGinnis for  the  br"load
knowledge he  hasof histotaldepartmen~.  I  have  heardhim
 speak  on  severaloccasions whenhe  has  demonstrated  a  grasp  of  this
largeDepartment's  scopeof  responsibility  whichcan  onlybe
considered  extraordinary  and  remarkable.My  testimony todaythat
all  health programs shouldbe  groupedtogether into  a  distinct
Department  has  no  bearingwhatsoever  on the  method that  Comnissioper
McGinnis has  administreredhis  programs.  I am  looking at  the  long
rangevalueto  Alaskacitizens  of -the establishment  of  a  Depar-tment
of  Health.
)As  the  president of  the  AlaskaPublicHealthAssociation  I  have
 I Gt~t~~ 2.Co)
requested  commentsfromthe  membepshi~~nd I have  received a  fair
number who  have  objected to  two  features of  the  bill  In  its  present
 form. One  of  them  dealswiththe  requirement tha~ at  least  four
 of themembersshall  bemedicalor  o~teopathic physicians  licensed
 to practice in  thisstate. On  this  pointtherelS  strongobjection
 that  the  majority of  the  membersbe  physicians.lam  in  agreern~nt.
 The  Boardof Health shouldhave  competent concerned personsrep-
~¢k).
 resenting the  l-1edical ~Tursing, PublicHeal t:1:. and Allied  Health
 professiollSas  wellas  other  deliverers of  medical services such  as
 the  hospitals, nurslnghomesandthe  VoluntaryAgencies.Finally,
 the  consumer or nonprovider should  havea voiceon  thisboard. I
 believethatthere  wouldbe  verylittle  objecTion  if  two  physicians
 were  on  the.board sinceas  a profession  they  are  a  pivotalfactor in
 all  aspectsof  medicine and  the  delivery of  HealthService.  The  mem-
 bershipof  the  Boardof  Health' isa detailof  importance  that  this
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 1egis121ti ve bodycanin.it S \!lisdom  determine  ,  onetoJhich ct~ri:airlly
 ~vill  be  inthebestintcrests  ofl\laska. .
. )
  Theotherpoint about ,\olhi.ch there  is  obj ect ion andin  v:hichI
 concur is  that "the commissioner of  health  shall  be a medical  Or'
 osteopathicphysician.  I  feelthatthissection  should be  amended
 dS  do  ~  substantial  numberof·the  AlaskaPublic Health Association
 membership.  Hereagain, I  feelthat if  a  compe~ent board  is
 appointed  theywill seeksomeone  who  hasadministrative  ability,
 competencein  public health,  in  mental hygiene,  aswellas  the
 otherprogram  fields that he  willadminister.  Morethanlikely
 this  will bea  physician  whohasadministrative experienceand
 competence.  Thishasbeenthepattern  in  the  U.S. for  many years
 at,the state level; in  fact at  thepresent timewith onlyone
 exception_physician administrators  serveasthe  Executivesofthe
)Departmentsof  Health. Whether or  notthequalification  of  the
 Commissioner.of  Health  should be  enumeratedin  thelegislationis  a
 matter forthelegislature  to decide.  Cer~ainly a competent
 Board of  Health will appoint a  wellqualifiedexecutive.
  Insumma.rythen I would sayfor  myself  thatI  am. infavouI")
 of  thepas~age of  HB #438with· the t00changes which I  havesuggested.
 SimilarlyI feel thata  large  numberof  theAlaska Public Health
 Association  membership would bein  favour of  theconcept  of  having
 all  the health programs  of  ourstate  government brought  together·
 intoonenewdepartmentwitha  section  26  board as  theadministrative
 bodywhich would havetheauthority  asstated in  theconstitution
 toappoint the  .executive  officer  withtheapproval  of  thegovernor.
 Someofthe  membership havealsodesired  the  twochanges  be  2ade
 tfhichhavebeendescribedabove.Finally, there ar'e  somemembers of
 theAlaska Public Health  Associationwho  donot  wish any.changefrom
 thepresent  urabroellaconcept and-the  legislature  may indeed hear") from ·them
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  HEALTH, EDUCATION ANDSOCIALSERVICES COMMITTEE MEETING
  )
February 25,1974
8:30  a.m.
PRESENT:All  committee members.Also  present were:  Mr.  RobertGates,
  Retirement  & Benefits Division,  Department of  Administration;
 Mr.RobertC.  Cooksey of  NEA-Alaska;  Mr.wRobert  Van  Houteof
 NEA-Alaska.
  SenatorThomas calledthe  meeting to  orderandintroduced
 Mr.Gates,andaskedhim  to  givethe  committee  information
  on  the  teachers' retirement  bills.
SB  342 Mr.  Gatesaddressed himself first  toSB  342,explaining
  that  thisbillshouldbe  passed in  oiderto  clarify the
 )
  intentof  bills  passed  last  year(SB101  and  HB  65)--there
  was  somedoubtdue  to  timeelement in  passageof  thebills
  last  year--and  SB342 is  merely a clarification  ofintent.
  SenatorThomas askedif  the  samethingcouldn't  be doneby
SB  384 passageofSB  384  and  Mr.Gatessaid  thatit  could,butthat
  therewere  nocost  implicationsin  SB  342,  whereas there
  werein  SB  384--that therewas  a  considerable  costimpact.
  He  stated  the totalcost  of  SB  384  would be  96.6  million;
  it would reducetheretirement agefrom  60  to  55. Senator
  Thomasaskedif  therewasany  way  to  determine  how  many
  teachers wouldbe  eligible to  retireat  age55.Mr.Gates
  state~ there  wouldbe  over900  eligible,  and  further explained
  thatthe  coststo  localschooldistricts  wouldbe  approximately
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$343,000  and  the remainderof $729,000  would  be  the State's
)
responsibility. He  also explainedthat  the percentage  of
1.11  applies  to the  total payrollfigure,  so that  the per-
centage  figure  does  not change,  althoughin future  years  the
dollar  amounts  would  change  as they  are  dependent  on total
payroll.
Senator  Thomas  indicated  he  had been  told  that  the Associa-
tion  of School  Boards  were  in favor  of  SB 384.
Mr.  Cooksey  said  NEA favored  passage  of  SB 384  and also
brought  out  that  the cost  figures  that Mre  Gates  had given
was  based  on the premise  that  all  900 eligibleteachers
)  would  retire  and he  did not  think  they  all  would.
Mr.  Gates  explained  that  there was  no way  to determ~ne just
how  many of  the 900  would  retire,  but that  it was  necessary
to  set  aside the money  in  the event  they  elected  to do so.
 s~ 362  Mr.  Gates  then addressed  himselfto SB  362.  He  stated this
bill. was  somewhat  confusing  as it  showed  a reduction  in
 service  from 30 to  20 years,  when  in reality  it  should be  from
 25 to 20 years--pointing out again  that  SB 342 was  needed  to
 clarify  that point.Mr.  Gates stated  that  under  this bill,
there  was  no change  in employees'contribution,  but  that  the
 employer's  rate would  go  from 11.22  percent  (current)  to
 14.77  percent--an  increase  of 3.55  percent  of covered  payroll
 for $3,429,000. The breakdown  for  local  school  districts
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would be  $1,,097,000  and  theState's  responsibilitywould be
 $2,332,000. Mr.  Gates alsopointed outthatthepresent
 systemenables  a t~acher tohavetenyearsprior service
 in  another State, so  thatthislegislationcould enablea
 teacher who  hastaught in  the  ~tate only10  years, andwho
has10  years priorservice,  to  havefulfilled  thiscredit-
 ableservice requirement.  He  alsopointed outthatthere
 is  presently  a provisionthat  makes thisretroactiveto
 thosewho  have already retired,  so  anyone who  hada  reduc-
 tion  previously,would haveto  beadjusted.
 Senator Croftasked Mr.  Gates if  he  knewhowmanyteachers
would be  eligible  to  retire under this  bill and  he  stated
)therewere512.  Senator Croftpointed outtherewere almost
.  .
 twiceas  manyunder SB  384,butthatSB  362costsmoreand
 askedhimto  explain where SB384  allocates  any  portion ofthe
 increased  costto  theteachers.  and  thathecouldnotunder-
 standthegreatvariance  between thetwo  bills.  Mr.Gates
 responded  thatSB  384doesnot  reduce the  number  of  yearsof
participation.Therewasfurther discussionon  thedifferences
 in  the  twobills.Senator Thomas said  theAnchorage  School
 Boardhadinformed himthiswouldbea bigproblem forthem
 unlesst~e  State  allocated  morefundsas  there was  already  a
 deficit  in their  budget.
Mr.Cooksey  statedthat if  someteachers retired  and  were
 replaced bylowerpaidteachers,  thentheschoolboards might
 not  havea  funding problem.
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 There was  extensive  discussionon whether  to move  all  of
 the teachers'retirement  bills  out of  committee  and on  to
 finance,  or just  one or  two of  them.  After  discussionit'
 was decided  to  hold the  bills  until informationcould be
 obtained  from  the Associationof SchoolvBoardsand teachers
 and other  interested  parties,and then  to try  and combine
 all the  desired  features  of each  bill  into one  bill.
  SB 343  Mr. Gates  s~ated thatSB 343  essentially  removes  a former
 maximum  percentage  that  could be  granted  in the  post-
 retirement  adjustment. He felt  there  was a conflictas to
 what  cost of  living index  was  to be used  in determininga
 cost  of living  raise.Mr. Van  Houte  suggested  that the
)Consumer  Price  Index be  used and  suggested  this  wording
  it
 could  be incorporatedinto the  bill  by adding/after  U.  S.
 Bureau  of Labor  Statistics,  since  the  Constimer Price  Index
 was put  out by  them.Mr. Gates  also  stated that  the bill
 as drafted  would  not presenta funding  problem  as it  is
 not mandatoryfunding  under the  present  law.He did inform
 the  committee  that a bill  introducedin the House  would  make
 -~~the  funding mandatory,but SB  343 does  not.
 Senator  Sackett  asked  if  the different  organizations  that
 are supportingihis bill  realize  it  is not mandatory  and
 Mr. Van  Houte  said he  felt  they wanted  to get  the 1-1/2  per-
 centage  limitation  removed.
 It  was decided  to hold  this bill  also  and to. incorporate  all
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desirable  features,  i£  possible,  into  one bill.
Senator  Thomas  announced  that  the Committee  would  meet  at
8:30  a.m. tomorrow  morning(Feb. 26)  to discuss  the  on-base
school  bills,  SCR 25  and SB 405.
0eeting  adjourned  at  9:20 a.m.
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 HEALTH,  EDUCAiIONAND sacrAL  SERVICES  COMMITTEE  MEETING
  February  26,  1974
 8:30 a.m.
PRESENT: SenatorsThomas,  Sackett,  Croft  and Hensley;  Representatives
Beirne,  Hackney,Wingrove  and Fritz.
Also  present  to  testify  were:Commissioner  Marshall  Lind,
Departmentof Education;William  Overstreet,  Associationof--
School  Boards;and Stuart  Hall,  Legislative  Affairs  Agency.
SCR  25Senator Thomascalled the  meeting  to order  and  asked  if
there  were  any questionson the  resolve  clause  inSCR25.
There  were  none,  so Senator  Thomas  asked  CommissionerLind
 )
 if  the Fairbanks  North  Star Borough  School  District  would
have  to  incorporate  the  on-base  schools  within  their distr~ct
by  next year,  since  there  was nothingto so indicatein the
Resolution. CommissionerLind  stated  he had set  up a meet~ng
with  the NorthStar  Borough School  District  on  Friday,  March
 8th to work  out  the ~roblems  and  make  all arrangments--he
 felt  there would  be no problemsin solving  this  issue.
 Senator  Thomas  asked if  there would  be  100 percent  funding
 of this  absorption  and Commissionersaid  yes--they  were  work-
 ing on that  now.
 Senator  Hensley  expressed  concern  about  any possible  reper-
 cussion  of funding  on rural  schools  and  Commissioner  Lind
 stated  he felt  the opposite  would  be  true.  To  alleviate
 Senator  Hensley's  concern,  Senator  Croft  suggested  an  amendment
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I
 to  SCR  25,  page2,  line  28,  to  read: nprovided that  this
 levelof  fundingwill  notimpactrural  education in  Alaska."
 The  Committee votedunanimously to  passSCR25 out  of
 committee with  a  do  pass  recommendation,with  theabove
 amendment.
  SB  405 SenatorThomasthenbroughtup  SB  405  and  askedstuart  Hall
 to  explainthe  reason for  this  bill. Mr.  Hallwent  into.
 detail  explain~ng that SB  405  was  a  "clean  up"bill  that
 basically revisesthelanguagethat  m£ghthavean  inhibitive
 affecton  a  contract  between thelocal  schooldistri~ts and
 the  on-base schools ..He saidit  also  regularizes  the  election
 of  the  military schoolboardsto  the  same  timeas  the  regular
)borough school  boardelections.
 Therewas  considerable  discussion concernin~ the  membership
 of  the  military advisoryschoolboardand  election to  that
 board. Mr.Hall  broughtout  thefact  that  therewas  a  question
 of  Constitutionalityif  the  Statetriedto regulate membership,
 or  votingof  the  military, in  regardto  the  advisoryboard.
 Afterfurtherdiscussion the  Committee agreedto  an  amendment
 on  page  2,  line1 --  remove"shall"andinsert"only  may".
 The  Committee v6tedunanimously to  passSB  405  out  of  committe~
 witha do  pass  recomm~ndation, with theabove  amendment.
 Meeting adjournedat  9:20a.m.
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 JOINT HEALTH,  EDUCATION &  SOCIAL  SERVICES  COMMITTEEMEETING
February27,1974
  1:30p.m.
  PRESENT:SenatorsThomas,  Sackett,Hen~leyand Cro£t.
 Representatives Beirne,  Fritz, Wingrove, Hackney  andMalone.
 Present  totestify  from theDepartment of  Health  &  Social
 Serviceswere:Commissioner McGinnis, Deputy  Commissioner
 McClain,Stanley  Harris  andRayPagenkopf (Divisionof  Family
 &  ChildrenServices).
 Also present  totestify  were:  Mr. Donald E.Clocksin,Deputy
 Director,Alaska  Legal Services;Mr.Vince  Vitelli,Member
 ofGovernor'sAdvisoryBoard;  andother interested  parties.
  )
 Mrs. Beirne  called themeeting  toorder,  madethe introduc-
 tions,  andasked fortestimonyonthesocial  service  bills.
SOCIAL Mr.Clocksin,Deputy  DirectorforAlaska  Legal Services,said
SERVICE
  BILLShewould like to  give testimonyinreferenceto:  SB  263
  (HB  441),  SB  265, SB  310, SB327(HB547), andSB334(HB554).
 Hefeltit was  imperative that a  standard  ofneed for  Alaskan
\
 assistance paymentsbe  impleme~ted and thatthegrant  levels
 becommensurate with standardof  need.Asexamples,hestated
 thestandardofneedfora  mother  andonechild is  presently
 $300 permonth~  butthatthegrant  levelwas·$125. per month;
 however,theadult  programs  (old ageassistance) iscurrently
 $259 permonth--twice  thatofa  mother  andonechild.Mr.
 Clocksinwent intodetail  on  thedifferences  in  thebills.
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I
 He  stated  hesupported SB  334,with  an  amendment to  reflect
 the  standard of  needand  grantlevel  wouldbethe  same.
 Senator Croft  askedif  figures were  available  that  reflected
 the  increase of  the  various programlevels.  Mr.  Pag-enkopf
 informed the  Committee the  totalfigure for  the  current
 programwas$14,881,000  and  the  totalfigurewouldincrease
 to  $17,730,000,  an  approximate  increase of twomillionin
 the  grantprogram.  Therewas  considerablediscussion con-
 cerningthelevelof  f?nding,the  breakdown  of  this  funding
 as  it  appliedto  SB  310and  SB  265  and  theamountof  increase
 in  the  program.  Partial  breakdownis  as  follows:
  SB  310  -  Moniesin  current  budget$4,600,00
  SB  265  -  If  SB  265  is  incorporated  as  a
  )  portionof  SB  310,with  no  limit
  on  numberof  children - addto
  current  budget  1,301,500
  SB  265  -  If  SB  265  is  incorporated  as  a
 portion of  SB  310,with  a  limit
  of  five  children -  add  to  cur-
  rent  budget  528,300
  Totalneededin  budgetif  SB  310(with  SB  265
incorporated)is passed  $6,698,400
 Therewas  further discussion concerning  these  figures and
 Commissioner  McGinnis statedthe  Department  wouldhave  a
 fiscalnotereadywithina  few- days.
 Mr.  VinceVitelli stated  hefelt  it wasverynecessary for
 the  committees,  whenconsidering thesebills,to  keepin
 minda costof  livingincrease--possibly tied  to  theCon-
 sumersPriceIndex.
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--~B  263 Mrs.Beirne!  askedCommissioner  McGinnis  for  his  viewson
 )(HB  441)
 thesebills.  The  Commissionerstated  hefeltthe  $350  was
 better than  $250per  month,butdid  not  knowwhether the
 statecouldafford the  increase.  Hestateda  temporary
 waiver for  the  longevity bonushadnow  beenobtained,
 extending  it  untilDecember 1974,  pending legislation  in
 Congress to  establish  a permanent waiver for  thelongevity
 bonus.  The  Commissioner  was·  requested to  submit a fiscal
 noteon  thesebills.
  (SenatorThomas and  Secretary left  themeeting at  this  point.)
 )
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  JOINT HEALTH, ~DUCATION,  &"SOCIAL SERVICESCOMMITTEEMEETING
 February28,1974
1:30  p.m.
  • I.
PRESENT:Senators  Hensley,  Harris  andCroft; RepresentativesBelrne,
  Fritz, Wingrove,Peterson,Hackney
  Mental Health Division~  Joyce Munson &  Buddy Eckles;  Dr.
  Schrader,  Directorof  Divisionof  Mental  Healthj  Commissioner
 McGinnis;MargaretWolf fromWelfare  Advisory  Committee, and
  Robert Gregovich,Coordinator,  Office ofDevelopmental
  Disabilities.
  (Minutes  typed fromnotes taken byStaff  Assistant  to  Senate
 )
  HESSCommittee,Richard  Hacker.)
MENTAL  Theconcept ofcommunitymental health  wassupportedby
HEALTH
  everyone  giving testimonyatthemeeting.
SB329Everyone  testifying  "supportedthis bill, includingDepartment
  of  Health &  Social  Services. Mr.Howard  Siple, Consultant
  forInterim Committee submitted  a  proposedamendmentto  SB329
 which would  create an  AdvisoryBoard.There wasdiscussion
  concerningthepossibility of  putting  thepassage  oftheb~ll
  in  jeopardyif  thisamendmentwere included. There wasother
  discussionindicatingamendmentshould  be  included-~that risk,
  of  failure  wasnottoogreat.Commissioner McGinnisindicated
  theDepartmentwasnotagainst  the"amendment,  butfelt the
  trendwasnot to  have advisory  boards.
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.,
 ~ 333  Those  testifyingonthis bill  were insupport ofit.  Mrs.
  Wolf was in supportofthe bill,  butoffered a  proposed
  amendment  setting  out  ~he make-up oftheboardandits
  powers.
  Meeting adjourned  atapproximately  3:30p.m.
  )
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HEALTH,EDUCATION AND  SOCIALSERVICESCOMMITTEE MEETING
MarchI,  1974
 9:00  a.m.
PRESENT:  SenatorsThomas, Harris,and  Hensley
 The  Committee met  brieflyto  go  over  billsthat  wouldbe
 discussed at the  hearing being  heldin Anchorag~ at  2:00  p.m.
 Fridayafternoon (today),and  to~make certainall  arrange-
 mentsfor  the  hearingwere  completed.
 RichardHacker,Staff  Assistant,  told  the  members he would"
 be  takingcopies  of  all  the  billsfor  distribution  a~ the
 hearingto  interested  parties.Mr.Hackerthen  gave  the
 committee a briefsummation of the  textof  the  bills  under
 discussion.  Thesebills  were:
 SB  15Penalties--sale  of  drugs
 SB  120  Penaltyfor  possession of  ca~habis
 SB  305  Drivingwhile  underinfluence of  liquor
 or drugs
 SB  307  Penaltiesfor  drivingwhileunderinfluence
 of liquoror  drugs
 SB  321 Amending the  UniformNarcotic Drug  Act
 HB  89  Publis~ing of  namesof  juveniles for  certain
 offenses
 HB  571 Harboring of  minorsevadinglegalcustody
 HB  572 E~asion of  custody  by  minors
Meeting adj9urned at 9:20a.m.
)
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HEALTH,  EDUCATION& SOCIAL  SERVICES  COMMITTEE  MEETING
  March  5, 1974
8:30 a.m.
PRESENT:Senators  Thomas,  Harris,  Croft  and  Sackett.
Also  present  to testify  were  CommissionerMcGinnis,  Deputy
CommissionerMcClain,  Stanley  Harris  and  Ray Pagenkopfof
the  Department  of  Health  & Social  Services;  and,  Mr. Donald
E.  Clocksin,  Deputy  Director,  Alaska  Legal  Services.
SB  310  Senator  Thomas  called  the meetingto order  and  stated the
Depaitmentof Health  & Social  Services  had  submitted  a
fiscal  note  for SE  310, which  ~hould bediscussed  at this
)  time.He  asked Richard  Hacker,  fue Staff  Assistant,  to  give
the  committee  his  suggestions  concerningthe wording  of  the
bill  and questionshe might  have pertainingto the  fiscal
not~.
Mr.  Hacker  stated  that if  the Committee  desiredto equalize
the  grant  level with  the  State assistancelevel,  the bill
would  have  to be  changed  to reflect  that  intent •. He then
suggestedwo~ding which  would  establish  that  intent  in  the
bill  by establishinga floor  as well  as a  ceiling.
Senator  Thomas  asked  the  Committee  if  they wanted  to consider
having  a  floor  (or minimum  payment)  inserted  in  the bill.
There  was.  considerable discussionconcerning  the  current  and
proposed  paymentsunder  SB 310, and  whether  or not  a floor
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  and  ceiling (minimumand  maximum) shouldbe  incorporated  into
  the  bill. Mr.  Clocksin pointedout  thatunlesswordingwas
  inserted into  the  billconcerning a costof  livingadjustment,
  thatthe  bill  wouldprobablyhaveto be  amended each  year.
  Commissioner  McGinnisstated  hefeltthis  wouldnot  be  a
  problem, and  that  whendealingwith  moniesof  thisamount,it
  probably should  bereviewedeach  yea~.  SenatorCroft  pointed
  out  thatwordingcould"be insertedsuch  as  is  usedin  SB  334,
  settingthe  minimum grantat the  samelevelas  the  OED  guid~­
  lines.
  In  discussing the  increased cost  of  SB  310  as  reflected in
  thefiscal  note,Commissioner McGinnis pointedoutthat  the
  choiceswereeithera supplemental  appropriation,  whichhe
)
  was  notin favorof,  or  the  Legislature wouldhaveto  fund
  the  difference between the  Governor's bill  and  the  proposed
  CSSB310,  incorporating  SenatorRay'sbill,SB 265,and
  recognizing  the  increased case  load  sincethe"  first  estimates
  weremade. The  amountof  this  additional fundingwoulddepend
  on  whethertherewouldbe  a ceilingequalto  the  levelof
  payment for  five  persons ($996,300), or no  ceiling ($1,769,500).
  He  statedthe  Department preferred to  avoidsupplemental
  appropriations  if  at  all  possible.
  Therewas  then.  considerable discussion perta~ning to  the
  $500per  familyassistance standardlistedin  the  proposed
  CSSB310,  ratherthan  using$520  whichis  the  proposed payment
  listedin  the  fiscalnotefor  five  persons.  Mr.  Harrisstated
  that$500  was  usedsimplyas an  arbitrary cut-offfi~ure.  It
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  wasthe  concensus of  the  Committee thatthisshouldbe
changedto  $520.
  Commissioner  McGinnis expressed concern thatsincethe
  Federal regulations  prohibit~eduction in  assistanc~ pay-
  ments, that  theremightbe  futureproblems afterenactment
of th~ bill,  since  anyone applyingforassistance subsequent
to theeffective date  bf  the  billmightbe  receiving lesi
assistance thanthose  whoare  alreadyreceiving assistance.
He didnot  knowof  any  solutionto  thisproblem.
SenatorThomasaskedMr.  Hackerto  gettogetherwiththe
Department of  Health&  SocialServices and  go  over  the
  bill, incorporating  the  changesdiscussed,  and  to  havea
)
Committee Substitute draftedby  Legislative  Affairs; and
  healso  askedthe  Department to  update theirfiscalnote
to  show  the  increase from$500  to  $520. Senator Thomas
suggested the  Committee meetin themorning(March 6) at
8:30  a.m.to  make  finaldisposition  of  the  bill.
Meetingadjourned at  9:25aom.
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  HEALTH,  EDUCATIDN&  SOCIAL SERVICES  COMMITTEEMEETING
  March 6,  1974
8:30 a.m.
  PRESENT: Senators  Thomas,  Ha~ris,  Croft,  Sackett  & Hensley.
  Present  to  testify  from Departmentof  Health  &  Social
  Services  were:Commissioner McGinnis,Deputy Commissioner
  McClain,  Stanley  Harris,  RayPagenkopf,andLawrence
  Sullivan;also, Mr.Donald Clocksin,Deputy Directorfor
  Alaska Legal Services.
  SB  278  Senator  Thomas called  the  meeting  to6rder andasked the
  committeeto  considerSB  278,Humane  Treatmentof  Animals.
  Senator  Thomas stated  thatthebill  would  help protect  the
  health ofanimals,  andwasespeciallydirectedto  those
  people whoturn horses loose during  the  winter  tofendfor~
  themselves.  Senator  Harris  said  hehadnoobjectionto
  thebill, but  would  liketocontact  someone.whom he  knew
  wasinterestedinthebill.  It  was"decided  to  holdthe
  bill  withoutfurther  consideration  until tomorrow  morning's
  meeting.
  SB  221 ·Senator  Thomas asked thecommitteetoc6nsider  SB  277, General
  ObligationBonds forlibraries, andasked Senator Croft if he
  hadanycomments  concerning the  bill~Senator  Croft stated
  thefigures  had'been  supplied  byth~ Library Association.and
  alsoexplainedthat theResources  Library  would,  in  effect,
) be  astorage facilityformicrofilm,etc., forresearch  pur-
 " -
  poses.Senator  Sackett  moved thatthebill  be passed outof
  committeewith a  "do  pass" recommendation.  There was  no
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  objection.
 SB  310Senator ThomasaskedRichardHacker, Staff Assistant,to
  go  overthe  proposed Committee Substitute for  SB  310  and
  pointout  thechangesmadein theCommittee Substitute as'
  discussed in  the  meeting yesterday (March5).Mr.Hacker
  explained thatthe  new  language, beginning on  line16,
  establishes  a  floor(minimum) and  the  furtherlanguage in
  the  nextfew  linesestablishes  a ceiling (maximum).  He
  briefly referred to other  minor changesas  discussed in
  thecommitteemeeting of  Marrih  5.Commissioner  McGinnis
  passedoutcop~es of the  corrected fiscalnotefor  CSSB  310,
  andindicated the  corrections therein.  Senator Croft  moved
) thatthe  committee passSB  310  out  of  committee as  a Committee
  Substitute  for  SB  310,  witha do  passrecommendation. There
  was  no  objection.
 SB  437Senator Thomasrequested the  committee to  consider SB 437,
  and"  asked  Commissioner  McGinnis for  his  viewson  the  bill.
  Mr.  McGinnis stated  the Department was  not  against the  bill
  but  wasconcerned that  theremightbe  futureproBlems since
  the  billcoveredonl~ refractions and  not  purchase of glasses;
  however, he  felt  thatthe  Statecouldnot,  at  thistime,  afford
  to  includepurc~ase of  glasses in thebill. SenatorSackett
  askedthe  Commissioner  how  manypeoplewouldbe  eligiblefor
  refractions  underthis  bill,and  Mr.  McGinnis said  he  would
)
  estimate about10,000. He  said  hefelt  the  "committeecould
  makean  assumption thatof the10,000only  ten  percentwould
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wouldactuallyhaverefractions lat  an  estimated  cost  of
approximately  $35,000.  SenatorSackett stated  that  insome
areasthe  LionsClubs  had  provided glasses for  needy  persona~­
SenatorHarrisaskedif  optometrists  performed refractions
and  was  informed by  Mr.  Sullivan that  theydid  on  persons-
under21 yearsof  age. SenatorHarris said  one  of  his  reasons
for  introducing  this  bill  wasthat  he  had  beentold  only
ophthalmologistscouldperfo~m refractions.  Mr.Sullivan
explained that  optometrists  wereservicing those  under21
and  thatophthalmology  is  designated as  a  serviceunderthe
federalregulations  for  medicaid, and  therefore, ophthalmologists
serviced those  over21  years  of  age. Senator-Harrisstated
he  felt  the  bill  would enablemore  peopleto  obtaineye
)  examinations.Senator Sackett  moved that  theCommittee·pass
SB  437  out  of  committee witha do  pass  recommendation,with
an  amendment to  line  14,  deleting the  words"ophthalmologists
or." There  wasno  objection.
  SB  423SenatorThomasaskedthe  committee to  lookat  SB  423  and
stated  herecalled that  whenthis  programwasinitiated  or
discussed ihat  thefeelingwas  unlessa.communitf  would
participate  at the2~ percent level,they  werenot  willing
to  participate in  a  meaningful way. He  askedif  the  ratio
shouldbe  dropp~d to 10  percentin  viewof  this  and  asked
Commissioner  McGinnis for  the  Department's  view  on  SB  423.
Mr.  McGinnis stated  thisbill  would enablethe  smaller
)
communities  to participate  in  the  programsinceit would
probably be  easierfor  them  to  comeup withten  percent
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/
 insteadof i5  percentmatchingfunds. Therewas  di~cussion
 concerning fundingfor this  billand  SenatorCroft  pointed
 out  that  there  is  a  companionbill  presently in  the  Senate
Finance Committeewhich  provides for  generalobligationbonds
 for  fundingthe bill. SenatorHarrismovedthat  the  bill  be
passedout  of  committeewitha do  pass  recommendation. There
wasno objection.
SB  442·  SenatorThomas  askedCommissioner McGinnisfor  the  Department's
viewon  SB 442. Mr.  McGinnisstated  hefelt  that  physician ~
 assistants  were doing  a  lot  of goodacross  the  country,pro-
vidingsophisticated  first  aid  to  accidentvictims.  Senator
 Thomas  askedthe  Commis~ioner if  he wasin favorof  the bill
  )
 and  Mr.  McGinnisrepliedhe wasnot  againstit.There  was
 furtherdiscussion concerningtrainingof  physician assistants
 or paramedics by  licensed  physicians,  medicalschoolor mili-
 tary  service. Mr.  McGinnis stated  he  would  be  concerned if
 the  trainingof  these  individuals were  by  other  thanlicensed
physicians.Senator  Harrismovedthat  the  bill  be  passed-out
 of committee with  a  do passrecommendation.There  was  no
bbjection.
SB  359SenatorThomas  askedCommissioner McGinnisfor  his  comments
 on SB  359  and  Mr.  McGinnisstated  hehad  not  studiedthe  bill
 thoroughlyand  wouldpreferto defertestimony untila  later
 meeting.
 The  meetingadjournedat  9:30  a.m.
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HEALTH,EDUCATION &  SOCIALSERVICESCOMMITTEE MEETING
·March·7,1974
8:30  a.m.
  PRESENT:  Senators Thomas,Harris;Croft&  Hensley
Also  present to  testify  were:  Mr.  MarshallLind,Commissioner,
and  Dr.  Nathaniel Cole,DeputyCommissioner, Department of
Education; Mr.  RobertVan  Houteand  RobertC.  Cooksey,NEA~
Alaska.
SCR  36  SenatorThomascalledthe  meeting to orderand  askedMr.  Lind
for  his  viewson  SCR  36.The  Commissioner  said  the  Department
was  in  favorof  this  bill;that  a  study  should  bedone;that
)
he  f~lt $20,000 wouldbe  justa beginning, but  that  other·
foundations hadindicated  interest  and  thoughtfurtherfund-
ing  wouldbe  providedthrough foundations.  S'enator  Harris
movedthat  SCR36 be  passedout  of  committee with  a do  pass
recommendation,'  and  an  amendmentto  add  the  word"proposed"
be fore  "decentratization" •There  was  no  objection.
SCR  30  SenatorHarris statad  he  wouldlike  to  have  thecommittee
.considerSCR  30.He  felt  passage of thisbill  was  neededto
insureconstruction  was  begunthis  year,and pointed out  that
if  construction  wou:ld be  delayeduntilnext  year  whenpipeline
construction  is  going  on,it may  wellbe  impossibleto  find
contractors  to do  ariy  school  construction.Commissioner  Lind
pointed out  that  by  usingstandardized  plans  for  schools,
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 muc~ timeand money  could be  sa.ed in  design  and construction
 of  many rural  schools.Senator  Harris  moved  that SCR  30 be
 passed  out  of committee  with  ado  pass  recommendation. There
 was  no objection.
  SB  456 Senator  Thomas  asked  the committee  io  consider  SB 456  and.
 requestedthe Commissionerto give his  views  on this bill~
 Mr.  Lind  stated  he had not had  ,time to fully  analyze this
 bill  and would  like  to d~fer' testimony  until  a later  time.
  SB  457 Senator  Thomas  asked  CommissioIler Lind  for his  views  on SB 457·
 and  Mr. Lind  stated  the Depaitment  recommendedpassage  of the
 bill.He  felt  there were inequitiesin the boarding  home'
 program  in  the State  and that  this bill  would  help solve  those
)inequities. Senator  Thomas  asked if  there was  anyway  to
 estimate  the  fiscal  impact  and th~ Commissionersaid  it would
 be  approximately$150,000;  that they  were working  on  a fiscal
 note.Senator  Harris  moved  that the  bill  be passed out  of
 committeewith a do  pass recommendation,and  hold it  untii
 the  fiscal  note could  be provided. There was  no objection.
  SJR  51  Senator Thomas  asked  the comfuittee what. they  wanted to  do
 about  SJR  51, and M~.  Van Houte  stated  he felt  there was  no
 'need for  this bill  due to  a U. S.  Supreme Court  decision
 handed  down  on a  California  case pertainingto education  in
 Chinese. He further  stated  this decision  was  not based  on'  the
 Constitution  buton the civil  Rights  Act. but  that the  impli-
  cation was  very plain.Senator  Thomas  suggested  tbat  the.bill
 be  held until  Senator  Sackett  returned  from  out-of-town.
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 SB  275 SenatorThomas asked the  committee  to  consider  SB  275  and
said  hethought the  Board'~ feeling onthis  bill  was that
  it  should be  a  State resporisibility  andnotteachers'
  respons~bility,for expenses  incurred.CommissionerLind
  said  hetooktheopposite viewonthis  bill---he  felt  the
  costs shouldbethe  Boa~d's obligation. Hesaid  there were
  onlyfiveteachers  involved andthatas  the  Departmenthad
  hadproblems in  obtainingfundsto  runthe  PCTCas  a
  Commission,th~t the  localschool districts  should  bewilling
  to  pickup  ~hese costs.  Therewasdicsussion  as  to  howmany
  daysperdiemwouldbe  involved,  andthe  Commissioners~id
  he  thought  no  morethanten  to  fifteen days.  Mr.Van  Houte
  stated he  feltfifte.endayswouldbesufficient  inmost  cases i
  thata  principal  or  superintendent  ~ould be automatically
)
  covered,  and  thatnotall  ofthe  staff  would  be  traveling  at
  thesametime. Hedid  notfeelit would be  a  burden for  the
  local schooldistricts  to  bearresponsibility forthisfund-
  ing.  Therewasfurther discussion  andit wasdecided that
  Senator Croft wouldprepare a  Committee  Substitute  forSB  275·
  andpresent it  at  tomorrow's  meeting  for  thecommittee's'
  consideration.
SB290·Senator  Thomas  stated that  hewouldprefer to  delaydiscussion
  ofSB  290  untilMr.Overstreet  returned  to  townand  could
  appear bef'orethe  committee  for  testimony  onthis  hill.  There
  wasno  objection.
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  SB  267SenatorThomas calledthe  attention of  the  committee to  the
proposed substitute for  SB  267,  prepared by  the  Department
of  Education'. Mr.Cole  stated  that the  Department had
previously thought of  holdingout  for  a  Resolution only,but
this  language did  notchangethe  statutes too  muchand  they
feel they  can  live  withthis  language.SenatorCroftasked
if  therewas  a  fiscal  notefor  thisbill,and  Dr.  Colesaid
one  couldbe  provided.  Senator Croft  movedthatthis  bill
be  passedout  of  committee as  a  committee substitute, which
he  wouldhave  prepared this  afternoon  for  presentation  to
the  committee at  its  nextmeeting, and  also  obtain a fiscal
note. Therewas  no  objection.The  committee willconsider
proposed CS  SB 267tomorrowmorning.
)
  SB  342Therewas  briefdiscussion on  SB  342,  concerning  the  fact
thatit wasa "clean-up" billand  should- notbe  heldfor
reviewof  otherteachers' reti~ement bills.  SenatorCroft
movedthat  SB  342  be  passedoutof  committeewitha  do pass
recommendation. Therewas  no  objection.
  SB  343SenatorThomasaskedthecommitteewhatthey  wanted to  do
aboutSB  343  and  SenatorCroftsaid  hethoughtthe  committee
was  'waitingfor  a fiscalnnte.  SenatorHarrismovedthat
the  committee passSB  34i'out  ofcommittee with  a  do  pass
recommendationand  hold  it  for  a  fiscalnote., (NOTE:After
committee meeting, secretary checkedwith  Mr.Gateson  fiscal
)
noteand  was  told  nonewas  necessary for  thisbill  since
therewas  no  mandatory funding~, Theref6re,bill  was  passed
on  to  SenateSecretary on  March7,'l974.)
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SB  384 Senator Thomas asked. the committee  whatthey wanted to  do
  w~th SB 384andSenator  Croft  moved thatthebill  bepassed
  out  ofcommittee  witha  do:. passrecommendation. Therewas
  no  objection.
SB  362 Senator Croftmoved thatSB362  be  passed outofcommittee
  withindivid~al recommendations.  Senator Thomas objected,
  butagreedtopassing it  outwithindividualrecommendations.
SB  389 Senator Thomas asked Senator Croft if  he  would liketo  explain
  SB  389  tothecommittee  andSenat6r Croftstated  the  bill
  did  notactually  require attendanceforstudents ona  four-
  day  basis--that the  title  was misleading;that is,  thestudents
) havefourdaysof  ins'truction  andoneday  ofsomeotherkind
  of  school activity. He  stated  this  had  been triedinschools
  in  thenortheast  andseemedtobe  .workin.gout  verywell.  He
  fe~t this  concept might be  of  helpincoping withimpact
  problems  in  Alaska during constructionof  pipeline. Mr.Lind
  stated  he liked the  poss~b~lities of  thebLIIin  relation  to
  standpointof  teachers  and  st~dents, but did  not feelit would
  helpwithimpact problems.Hestated achievementtests, in
  hisopinion, would showno  differenceLf  taken fromthose
  schools using thisprogram andthoseschools  usLngstandard
  program.Aftermore discussiontSenato~ ~homas suggested  the
..
  committee  holdthisbill  until.  furthert.estimony could  be
  obtained.
GENERAL Senator Thomas stated  he feltthecommitt~e should  takeup
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  the rural school problem--possiblynextMondayor Tuesday.
  He stated  there  wouldbe acommittee meeting  in the morning
  (March 8) at8~30  a.m.and  that  the  committ~e would consider
  the two  commit·teesubstitutes(SB 267andSB 275), aswellas
  the law  and order billst,hatwere discussed at  thehearing
  held  in Anchorage onMarch  1.
  Meeting  adjourned at 9:30  a.m.
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I
 HEALTH,EDUCATION & SOCIALSERVICESCOMMITTEE MEETING
March8,  1974
 8:30a.m.
  PRESENT:SenatorsThomas,Harris, Croft  &  Hensley
 Presentto  testify  wasMrs.  MaryBeth  Hilburn, Coordinator,
 Office  of  DrugAbuse,Department of Health & SocialServices.
  GENERAL SenatorThomascalledthe  meetingto  orderand  statedthe
  DRUG  RE-
  HABILITA-  Committeewoulddiscussthe  l~w andorderbillsthat  had
  TION
received teitimony at  the  Anchoragehearing on  March  1.He
 also  stated  hehad  been  ~mpressed with  the  testimony given
 at thathearingby  TerryStahlmanof  FamilyHouse,as well
 as testimony by  the  two  judges.  SenatorThomassaid  he  now
understood whythe  judgeswantedtough  sentences--so  they
 )  could  forcedrug  addictsto  go  throughFamilyHouseor  some
 other  drug  rehabilitationcenter. He  askedMrs.  Hilburnto
 tell  the  committee about  the  drugprogramscurrently being
presented aroundthe  State.
Mrs.Hilburnstatedshe  felt  treatment of  alcoholism was  not
 too muchdifferent from  treatment of  drug.addiction  and  that
 she  would  liketo  see  facilities treatingbothalcoholism
 and  drug  addiction,. especiallyin  the  smallercommunities
wherefinancing, facilities,  and  staffing  areproblems.  She
 felt  adequateprograms could  be  initiated at  a  savingsin
manyareas. Mrs.  Hilburn statedthat  her  officehad  been
 in the  process of  evaluating  programs  whichcame  underthe
 $500,000appropriation  made  last  year9  She  statedthere
 were  twelveprograms and  each  one  had  beenevaluatedat
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 leas·t twice.She  stated  she had  spent  24 hours  at  Family
 House  to  observe  the whole  routine  there  and  had been  very
 impressedwith  their  program.She  felt Family  House  was
 an  excellent  program  and  should  be expanded,but only  at
 the  rate Mr.  Stahlmanfeels it  should  be ex~anded. She
 stated  she  felt  many addicts,rather  than rehabilitated,
 should  be  habilitated--thatthey  have  never  learned  the
 maturationsteps  other?  have  learned.She  also stated  that
 Family  House  deals  with  "hard  core addicts"and that  there
 was  a definite  need  for  programs  for  those  addicts  who are
 not  II hard core " as yet.  Mrs.  Hilburn  told  the Committee
 about  a proposedintermediate  programwhich  would  last  only
 one  year,  and she  felt  there was  a definiteneed for  such
 a program;however,  due  to lack  of funds,  new  programs  could
)only  be initiatedafter  funding  was providedfor all  current
 programs. Mrs.  Hilburn  said  she had  also spent  24  hours  at
 Arctic  Cache  in  Fairbanks  and  found profounddif~erences in
 that  program  and  Family  House.She  said she  would  have to
 make  several  recommendedchanges  to the  Arctic  Cache  program
 as  it  was not now  adequate.Mrs.  Hilburn  said  she would  like
 to  see additionaldrug programsinitiated,  but  ones  that  will
 do  some good. Senator  Thomas  asked  if  the State should  do
 somethingmore at  this  time, or  wait  until the  evaluations
 of  the present  program  were  completed. Mrs.  Hilburn  stated
 the  programs  now  were to  help  addicts,  and she  felt  there ·was
 a  definite  need  for drug  prevention  programs. Senator  Thomas
 asked  if  this was  something  that  should  be in  the schoolsand
 Senator  Harrisstated that  it  had been  tried  in some  schools
 and  the resultswere oppositeto what  had been  intended.
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 Mrs.  Hilburn  indicated  she  would like  to do  a pilot  program
 around  the  State rather  than  initiate  seve~al prevention
 programsand have  them fail  to do  what was  needed.She said
 the  need  for the programs  was  there,  but it  should  be done
  carefully.Mrs.  Hilburn  also pointed  out  that they. would
 have  $5,000  less  funding  in the budget  this  year, with  two
 new  programs  to be  initiated,  and  she felt  they would  not be
  able to do  any expansion  of  the present  programs. Senator
 Harris  asked  if  Family House  would  be fully  funded  and Mrs.
 Hilburn  stated  she  did not  know--that  she  expected  Family·
 House  -to apply for  twice  as much this  ye ar, and she  did not
 know  how  the Advisory  Board  would  apportion  the funds.Senator
 Harris  stated  he  felt that  rather  than go  into new  programs,
 they  should  fund those  that  are presently  working. Mrs.
)Hilburn  stated  that  was their  first  priority.
  Senator Thomas  stated  the  committee  had two  bills  which dealt
 with  penalties  and  rehabilitationand ·that  this testimony tied
 SB  321in with those  bills,  SB 321  and SB  15.  The  committee  discussed
 the  minor  changes  made by  SB 321 briefly,  and  decided  to direct
 SB  15their  attention  to  SB 15.Senator  Harris  stated  many people
 were  making  a great  deal of  money  selling drugs  and  this bill
 was  directed  at the  pushers.He felt  strong  penalties  were
 needed.He  also pointed  out  that judgSscould force  addicts
 to  enter Family  House  for  two years  where they  could  be
 rehabilitated,or  send them  to jail  for five  years.Senator
  Thomas stated  that  in testimony  during  the  Anchorage  hearing,
 he  understood  the  judges  felt they  should have  the  option of
 placingan addi~t in  a rehabilitationprogram  rather  than  a
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)mandatory  sentence.-Senator Harris  stated  he did not want
 an option  in the  bill for  a defendant  to be  able to choose
 jailor  rehabilitation,but  that he  would not  object to
 leaving  it  to the discretion  ofa judge. Senator  Thomas
 requested  Richard  Hacker to  take the  bill to  Legislative
 Affairs  and have  language  drafted that  would provide  for
 judges  to have the  option  of sentencing  addicts--eitherto
 a rehabilitationcenter or  j~il.
 GENERAL  Senator  Hensley  asked Mrs.  Hilburn how  much had  been budgeted
 for the  drug programs  this  year and  she replied  $500,0000She
 also  stated  that Family House  would  probably receive  approxi-
 mately  $200,000  of that and  stated  more money would  be needed
)if  the current  programs were  to be  funded.  There  was dis-
 cussion  concerning  putting  in a supplementalappropriation
 and in  what amount.The  committee  decided to  have a supple-
 mental  appropriation  drafted  by Legislative  Affairs  in  the
 amount  of $300,000  for drug  rehabilitation  programs.
 SB  15There  was further  discussion  concerning  the definitionsection
 of SB  15, and Richard  Hacker  was requested  to  come up with
 suggested  language  to clear  up the  definition  section of this
 bill.
 SB 305Senator  Thomas  asked the  committee  to look at  the DWI bills,
 SB 305  and 307,  and stated  that the  testimony ·given  previously
 was that  licenses  should be  revoked  if  drunk drivers were  to
 be taken  off the  highways.There was  discussion  concerning
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 theinclusion  of  narcotic,stimulant,  hallucinogenic or
- , depressantdrugs (rather thanjustintoxicatingliquor)  in
 )
 SB  305,andthecommittee  decided toeliminate  "stimulant,
 hallucinogenic ordepressant  drugs" fromSB305,so  thatit
 would dealonlywithintoxicating liquor.  There wasfurther
 discussionconcerning  thepenalty  section of  thisbilland
 Senator Harris pointed  outthatevenif  a  drunkhadhis
 license suspended,it ~id notkeephim  offthehighways  if
 he  wan te d  todri ve. Sen a-tor  Harris suggestedthe  commi ttee-
 defer further discussionof  SB  305anddirect its  attention
 to  SB  307.  Therewasnoobjection.
 SB  307  Therewasdiscussionconcerningeliminationof  any  reference
 to  narcot~c drugs  in  thisbill.  Senator Harris moved that
  ) thereference  to"narcotic  drugs"onlines6  and7,  11  and
I
 l2be  deleted.Therewasno  objection. Richard  Hacker
 pointed outthatbydeleting thereference  to  narcotic  drugs
 in  SB307,it  would alsobe  deleted fromthepresent law.
 Therewasfurther  discussion  andthecommittee  decided to
 delay further consideration of  thebilluntilnextweekwhen
 testimony  could be  taken fromthe  State Troopers,  oneof  the
 judges andanyone elsewho  might be  interestedin  thisbill.
 Themeeting adjournedat  9:30a.m.
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HE~LTH,  EDUCATION  &  SOCIALSERVICESCOMMITTEE MEETING
March12,  1974
 9:00  a.m.
PRESENT:  Senators Thomas,Harris,Croft&  Hensley
 Alsopresentto  testifyfromthe  Department of  Health&
 SocialServices were: Commissioner  McGinnis,Deputy
 Commissioner  McClain, and  Lawrence Sullivan,Director,
 Division of  MedicalAssistance.
SB  275Senator Thomascalledthe  meetingto  orderand  reminqed
 the  members this  bill  hadbeen  discussed at  the  Committee
 Meeting on March7,  and  the  Committee Substitute  prepared
  )
 by  SenatorCroftwas  now  readyfor  consideration. The
 Committee Substitute  was briefly reviewedby  the  members
 and  CSSB275  was  passedout  of  committee with  a  "do  pass"
 recommendation.
SB  307Senator Thomasinformedthe  members that  sinceSB  322  had
 (SB  3"22)
 passedout  of  Senator Ziegler'sJudiciary Committee yesterday
  (March11),  that  he  felt  ther~ was no  needto  furthercon-
 siderSB  307. RichardHackerpassedout  copiesof  a comparison
 sheeton  SB  307  and  SB  322  and  explained the  differences  and
 similarities  of-thetwo  bills. Aftera  brief  discussion,
 Senator Harriscioved thatthe  bill  be  "passed  out  of  committee
 withindividual recommendations. Therewas  no  objection~
 SB 465Senator Thomasasked  the  members to  considerSB  465  and
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I
  stated  the Department  of  Health  & Social Services  had
  recommended  iquick action  on this  bill  to avoid loss of
~
  federal  funds.Mr. Hacker.pointedout that  the last
  sentence  in the  current  statutes  had been left  out of  this
  bill  and a~ked CommissionerMbGinnis  the reason  ·for  this.
  The Commissionerresponded  he felt  it was inadvertently
  left  out during  typing--that  it was  not intended  it be
  omLtted.It  was unanimously  agreed  that this  sentence
  would  be added  to the bill.
  Commissioner  McGinnisstated  the Department  had prepared
  a proposed  Committee  Substitutefor SB.465  and they had
  asked  the Attorney  General's  office-to  prepare  a report
  on the  revised  version  wh±ch should  be available  to the
 )
  Committee  today  or tomorrow.The  Commissioner  stated
  there  was some  necessary  change  in the language  of the
  bill  to conform  to federal  language,  that  they had con-
  tacted  the necessary  people  in Region  10 and  were awaiting
  word  from Washington  before  they  felt they  could prbceed
  with  the Committee  Substitute  for  SB 465.The Commissioner
  also  stated this  bill  would need  a fiscal note  and that  was
  being  prepared.After  further discussion,Senator Thomas
  stated  the Committee  would  hold  SB 465 until  the Department
  had a  corrected  Cdmmittee  Substitute  for SB  465 (after  they
  have heard  fro~ Washington),and would  take  the bill  up for
  considerationat a later  time.
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GENERAL Commissioner McGinnis  statedthe Departmentwould  like  to
DEFINITION
---,  OFhave  legislation  passed clari fying  the defini tion  of  a_
  )HOSP ITAL
"hospital". He stated  th~re wasa  suit  pending  against
  the  Departmentat  the presenttime  concerningthis;  that
  the  currentlaw statesa hospital  provides24 hoursof
  servi~e per week.He  felt  the intentionhad been  that  a  .
  hospitalprovide24 hours  of  service  per  day,  and he  felt
  this  shouldbe cleared  up.The  C6mmissioner stated  the
  Departmentwould  providespe~ific language in  a proposed
  bill,and SenatorThomas  stated  the  Committee  wouldcertainly
consider  it.
GENERAL Commissioner McGinnisstated  another  problem  the  Department
MEDICAID
PAYMENTSwas  having  was  with  Medicaidpayments. He said  physicians
 )were  sendingin billsfor  payment  that  were as  much  as three
  or  four  years  old--that  yesterday (March  11) the  Department
  had  receivedbills  for  services  renderedin April  1971.  He
  pointedout  that  it  takes a  special _legislativeaction  in
  orderto pay  bills  over  two yearsold,  and also  that  it
cr~ates problems in their  budgetingsince  they  have  no way
of knowingin advance  when  these  cld  bills  will  be  submitted;
  They  are  requiredto set  aside  funds  in  their  budget  to
cover  Medicaid  paymentsand  then have  problemswith  these
  -"holdover  funds"  when  billsare not  submitted  promptly. The
current  law  sta~es that  billsshould  be  submitted  promptly,
  but  no  time  limit  is set.Mr.  McGin·nis  stated  he would  like
to see  legislation  passedwhich  would  requirethat  bills be
submittedfor payment  withinsixty  days.He  stated  he has
discussed  this  problemwith_Dr.  RodmanWilson  and  that the
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  doctor had  indicated  he could see  no reason  why sixty  days
 would  not be  a reasonable  length  of time in  which physicians
  should submit  their  billings.  Mr.  McGinnis  stated  they were
 having  trouble  only with  individual  physicians--not  institu-
  tions.  Senator  Thomas  stated the  Co~mittee would  consider
  a proposed bill  if. the Department  would like  to submit  one
 with  specific  language  directed  to  ~his problem.
SB 278  Senator Thomas  requested  the ~ommittee toconside~ SB  278
  and stated  the only  change fro~ present  law  in this bill  was
  the addition  of the word  "shelter"--requiringthat  shelter
 be  provided.Senator  Harris stated  he had  seen horses  turned
  loose during  the winter  by guides  and felt  this bill  was
 )necessary  to stop that  practice.,  Senator Thomas  stated .he
 had  talked  with someone  (Carrol  Martin) from  the Juneau
  Horseman's  Association  and this  gentlemen had  suggested  the
  penalty be  raised from  $100 to  $500, and requested  the
  committee  to consider  an amendment  to that  effect.Senator
  Hensley expressed  concern  that  there was no  definition  shown
  in the bill,  and he  did not feel  shelters  were necessary  for
  husky dogs.After discussion r  Senator Thomas  moved that  the
  committee pass  SB 27B  out of committee  with  an amendment  to
 ~ncrease thepenalty  from $100  to $500, and  with individual
  recommendations.Thera  was no  objection.
  Meeting adjourned  at  9:30 a.m.
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  HEALTH,EDUCATION &  SOCIAL  SERVICES COMMITTEE MEETING
  March13,  1974
9:00  a.m.
 PRESENT:  SenatorsThomas, Harris,Croft  &  Hensley
  Also  present to testify  wasMr.Jamie  Love,Anchorage
  Councilon  Drug  Aid.
 SB  15 SenatorThomascalledthe  meetingto  orderand  askedthe
  Committee to  considerthe  Committee Substitute for  SB  15
  whichhad  been  draftedto  reflecta  provision for  rehabili-
  tation. Mr.  Hacker stated  this  provision  for  rehabilita-
  tion  was  directed to  the  user  of  drugsand  not  the  pusher,
  sincehe was  notaware  of  the  committee's  feelingon  this
)
  point  whenthe  bill  was  beingdrafted.  SenatorThomassaid
  his  feelingwas  thatif  it  could  be  determined that  ~ pusher
  was  also  an  addict,thatthe  pushershouldalso  be  included
  in  the  rehabilitation  provision.  Therewas  discussion
  concerning this  provision and  Mr.  JamieLove  stated  hefelt
  tough  penalties for  usersof  heroinwere  very  necessary and
  did  not  feelthere  wereadequaterehabilitation  programsor
  facilities in  the  state  to  copewith  heroinaddicts.  Mr.
  Hackerstatedthat  by  deletingthe  wording:  "whenhis
  possession or  controlis  for  his  own  use",the  rehabilita-
  tion  provision wouldthen  applyto bothusersand pushers.
  Therewas  no  objectionto  deletingthe  wording sugge~ted by
  Mr.  Hacker.
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 Mr. 'Love pointed  out  to the  Committee  that  all  narcotic drugs
 have  been  "lumped"  together;  that he  was in  favor  of tough
 penalties  for  heroin  addicts,  but  that he  did not  feel tough
 sentences  should  be  imposed  for use  of depressants,balluc~no-
 genic  or stimulentdrugs.He stated  that  some of  the users
 of these  type  drugs  were legitimateusers--that  is,  these  drugs
 had been  prescribedby physicians,and he  felt there  was  a
 double  stand  being  effected--that  hallucinogenic drugs were
 not  a serious  threat  to society.He  did not  feel  mandatory
 penalties  'f~r  these type drugs  would  serve  a useful  purpose.
 Mr.  Love also  pointed  out  that judges  should  have  the option
 to refer  an  addict  to a rehabilitationprogram,  but  even  if
 the judgesdid not make  this  referral,  that  under  the present
 law,  the Departmentof Correctionscould do  so.Senator
)Thomas  pointed  out  that the  judges  do not  have to pay  any
 attention  to  mandatory  sentences,and that  the present  statute
 relating  to  hallucinogenicdrugs providesfpr penalties--and
 asked  the  committee  for their  feelings  of  leaving  the current
 statute  as  it  is.  Senator  Harris  suggested  the committee
 delete  Sections  3,  4, and  5 from the  proposed  Committee
 Substitute,and have  Mr. Hacker  draw  up another  Committee
 Substituteincorporating  the  changes  discussed. There was
 no  objection.
 Meeting  adjournedat 9:30  a.m.
(SB 457)(SECRETARY'S  NOTE:The  fiscal note  for  SB 457 was  received
 today  and  since CommitteeReport  had been  signed  for SB  457,
 the  b~ll was  passed  on to  the Senate  Secretaryfor further
 referral. )
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 BYTEE  HEAltfH ~F.DUCATIO':
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 ErGE~n{ L2CISLA':'URE
 A BILL
Fer  anAct  entitled:  ~l AnAct relating  to  perlalt1esfor  the sale  or  drugs;
  a~nd providing for  ane·ffect1ve  date. t1
 .C:.
t1  Section  1.  AS 11.10.20a(a)1s  amended to  read:
 e  provlsion  relating  to  thf~ keepin~ or records)  uponconviction,  is·
. -'-  pun1sha~)le byt:1 fine  or not more  than$5.000 and  by  imprIsonment  for
 eont~01 of  8  n~rcotie rlru7. when  h19  n05s~ssion or  control  is  forthe
_.,__~... 1If' ~  _ • _.... __~...~  ....... -.-...
V'or asecond offense,or  for  a.first
 offenfH?tIherethe offender  hasprev:t.ouslybeen  convicted  or  a.
.violation  of" th€:la\~·s  or  the  Unit~d States  or  of  any other  state,
 territory  or  district" relating  to  narcoticdrugs,  the offender 1s
 puni sha~)le by  afine  of  not  more than  51 ~ 500  andb:;1 inprisonn:ent  for
 not less  than10  nor  more than  20years..For athird  01" subsequent
 off\;:t1se t  or  if the  orfer:der  has  previously  been  convlcted  t~lO  or
 more  t:t:-~es:  of  a  viol:-t_t:rcn  of  the 10.'l.-r8 or  the  United  States  or  of
 1~~r150~~ent for  notless  than20nor  morethan  40 years.
..  s.~"!e.  2.is  nmendedto read:
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  and prob'lt1on  or  p~role sha.ll  not  be granted  until  the  n1n1m!lM
  tr~qt~ent.
  ------
 * Sec. 3.  AS 17.12.110(b)(1)  is amended to  read:
  ~
  (1)for  the f1rs:t  o:ffense,-hy1mprlson.~~ent for  not ;J?6re
  tha.n or~ by  afine  or' not  mar#!  than  t20, 000 ~ or  'bi" both;
  the  nos;~~ss. on or  control  of  deu!"e3s~nt~ hnlluci~f)r0ni~ O~. stiru.l~pt
 ~.""~~""""......-............ __.-.-....~. •". '"0011, I'"~~__.~.......  . _ ..............._.
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)
 $Bee.  4.to  read:
'7
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  (2).fol"  t.he se·condnnd subsequent of'fqnaf:;s,by 1:rrprisonment
  for  B.ny  tel"m  of  years or  life,  or  by  a  fine  of'not mor~~  than 325,OQO.
 19
  or  by  both;ho-;,:;ever, tr ~. person violate,s  a  prov1 n.1o~"!  or  this  c~ante!'
  ...................., .... I' I ..... ..~_  • ."'. ........ _,4  .... ~
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  relatin~ to  the nosgcssion or  eo~trolof ~enreS~0nt. hRl1uc1~o~en1e
 ___.~~__~.;..,_ "AC..,I11..", ,... ........... _.~_....~~._....""",......,.....____•_____~_......___
 pur,r0s,e:
 nnnin1:'::-2,ble  f0'Pt:'le  fl.~CO!1(~and  sq~r~('u€nt
  <-'_ ..............--......, ........... ~ •. ''I:I.---'--.~~~'"'''''.:'~''''~'''
 * Sec.
  (c)A  p:::rSO!1'who  violates  aprovisic}n  of  th1.s· chapter  by selling
)
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Thin  P.ctta1:es.efrect -on the  daya-fter  its pnssa::e  and
.a:r:rrov2.1 or  on the day it beC07~.es  Itn1  1':1thout  appro~lal.
  )
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)  HEALTH,  EDUCATION  &  SOCIAL  SERVICES COMMITTEEMEETING
March_14,  1974
8:30  a~m.
 PRESENT:Senator  Thomas,  Harris,  Croft  &  Hensley
Also  present  to testify  were  Commissioner  Marshall  Lind,
Departmentof Education,  and  Mr. Robert  Van Houte,  NEA-
Alaska.
 SB  15  The  committee  members  briefly  reviewed  the corrected
CommitteeSubstitute  for SB  15 (see minutes  of  March  13)
and  then signed  the  committee  report  with individual
recommendations. CSSB  15 was  passed  out of Committee.
)
 SB  447 Senator  Thomas  asked  the committee  to  consider  SB 447  and
stated  Mr.  Overstreet  had told  him the  School  Board
Associationdid not  object  to the bill,  but that  he did
not  see any  real need  for it.Senator  Thomas  asked the
Commissionerfor the  Department's  views  on the  bill.  Mr.
Lind  stated  he did  not have  any strong  feelings,  one way
or  the other,  toward  the bill  but that  the school  principals
felt  it was  needed tb  clarify  their  positions.Mr. Lind
pointed  out  that in  some areas  the principalsdo not have
authorittto recommend  that  personnel be  hired  or fired
and  this bill  would  provide principalswith this  authority.
 Senator Harr~s  asked  if  the· principals in remote  areas  now
have  ~he  authority  to hire  and/o~ fire  teachers  or custodtal
personnel. Mr. Lind  stated  that no principalhas tlie
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  authority to  hireand/orfireany  personnel,  but  thatin
  mostareastheycan  make  suchrecommendationsto  the  super-
  intendent orschoolboard. He  explained thattherewere
  someareaswhere,at  the  present time,the  principals  did
  not  havethisauthority to  make  reco~mendations and  that
  was  thereasonthe  Principals  Association  had  passeda
  Resolution  lastfall  to  request this  legislation. It  was
  therecommendation  of  CommissionerLind  thatthe  committee
  deferfurther consideration  of  the  bill  until theywere
  contacted  by thePrincipals Association. SenatorThomas
  stated  that thecommitteewould deferfurtheractionif
  therewareno  objections --  therewerenone.
)SB  353Senator Thomasdirected the  committee's  attention to  SB.353
  andstated  Mr.Overstreet hadexpressed no  objection to  this
  bill.  Commissioner  Lind  stated  the Department hadno
  objection  to  the  bill. Mr.  VanHoutestated  NEA-Ala?ka  was
  in  fullsupportof  thisbill--  that  theyfelt  it was a
"clean-up" bill  whichwouldremove a 1971restriction  on
  teachers'  leavesof  absence.  He  feltthis  restriction  was
  inadvertentlyput  in  the  bill.a  year or  two  ago. Senator
  Thomas askedif  ther~ would be  anyfinancial impact,and
  Mr.  VanHotite  stated  there wouldbe  no  increase in  funding;
  thatthis~ wouldme.rely allowthe  people involved to pay
  themsel v'es.  SenatorHarrismovedthatSB  353  be  passedout
  of  committee witha  "do  pass"recommendation. Therewereno'
)
  ob j  ~ c·tions.
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 Senater  Themas  asked thecemmitteeto. considerSB  456.
 Cemmissiener Lind stated  th~Department did  net  have  any
 o.bjection  to.·  the bill andthatheknew theScheel Beard
 As sociatienwa.s  infaver of  it.  Senater·Thomas  peinted
 eutthatthebill  was  subject  tolegislative apprcpriations.
 Mr.Va~ Houtestated  NEA-Alaskahadnocbjecticnto. the
 bill, butfeltthat legal counsel  sheuld  be  consulted as
 to  whethertherewculd·belanguagein  thebill  that  might
  4
 jeopardizetherelat.j.onshipb etween boreughsandschool
 districts, i.e.inthose areaswhere boroughsarenot
 responsible ferwhat geesonin  sthoel  districts.  It  was
 the·concensus  of  ep~nion of thecommittee, after further
 discussicn, that the  bill should beheld until suchtime
)asCommissiener Lind cculd consult with Peter Partnow
 ccncerning any  possiblelegal ramificaticns  inthebill.
 GENERAL  Senator  Thomas  stated  the  Committeewould meet at8:30a.m.
 RURAL
 SCHOOLS  enMonday morning  to.  takeup  the rural schcol  prcblem.
 Ccmmissioner  Lindstated  he  felt  there  were many things that
 could bedoneandgave a brief  explanation cf  some of  the
 areas thathadbeen considered.Senator  Thcmas said  the
 committeewould like to. have theCommissioner's  thoughts
 onMonday morning  an~ he  agreed to  beatthemeeting.
 Meeting  adjournedat9:20a.m.
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HEALTH,EDUCATION & SOCIALSERVICES COMMITTEEMEETING
  March18,  1974
8:30a.m.
  PRESENT:  SenatorsThomas,Harris,Croft&  Sackett
Also  presentto  testifyfrom  theDepartment of  Education
were  Commissioner  MarshallLind  andNat  Cole;  fromthe
Department of  Community&  RegionalAffairswereCommissioner
Byron  Mallott and  John  Chenoweth; also,Mr.  Bill  Overstreet,
Asso6iation of  SchoolBoards;and  Mr.  Stu  Hall,Legislative
Affairs.
  RURAL  SenatorThomascalledthe  meetingto  orderand  stated  the
  EDUCATION
)  meetingshouldaddressitself  tothe  problemof  rural
education.  It  was  SenatorThomas'feelingthat  boththe
Education Department and  Community&  RegionalAffaiLs
Department had  indicated there  was  no  needfor  new  statutes
to  handlethe problems of  education in the  ruralareas,and
asked  th~m to commenton whatthey  felt  wasneededat this
time.
Commissioner Lindstatedthe resources of  the  Department
were  limitedin  the"  matter  of  goingout  into  -the communities
and- explaining  problems;that  they  wo~ld need additional
peopleand  travelmonies. He  felt  thatthe  local  areas
neededincentivegrantsfor  planning what  levelof  control
)
they  want~d.  The  Commissioner recommended planning grants
basedon a  per  capitaamount. He  also  Buggested that  a
lookat boundaries in  termsof regions for  infor~ational
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 purposes would  be  a  beginning, and  he  feltthat  local
 patterns and  concernswouldforminto  sometype  of  boroughs.
 He  did  not  feelthat  boundaries shouldbe  dictated  by the
 State,and  thatstartingat  the  regionlevelwouldbe  for
 information purposes only. He  felt  thatthesestepsshould
 be  takenover  a  two  or  three  yearperiod,i.e.a planning
 processwhereStatedollarsare  goingout  to  regions for
 planning purposes, after  whichtime  something musthappen
 withinthe  regions --  contracting  with BIAfor  schoolsin
 ·those  areas  untilsuchtime  as  they  canform  a  boroughor
 cityto handletheirown  problems.  He  stated  hehadfound
 thatwhen  peopleunderstand how  the  Statecan  assist them
 to  form  theirown  localcontrol, that  they  arethen  anxious
 )  to  take  hold.
 SenatorThomasaskedCommissioner  Lind  how  he  feltabout
 havinga  separatedivision withinhis  Department  _tohandle
 this,as  was  recommended in  the  CNERreport. Mr.Lind
 stated  hedid  not  feela separate divisionwasnecessary;
 he  felt  thiscould  be  handledby  threeor  four  ·full time
 peopleand  did  notfeel  that  warranted a  separate division.
 Commissioner  Mallottthen  testified thatthe  letter  hehad
 sentto thecommitteewasa policystatement fromthe
 Department.He  statedthe  Department was  trying-now to
 respondto  municipaiities  on  specific  problemsratherthan
)
 a  generaloverallviewof problems and  theywere  having'
 financial difficulties  and  staffing  problems  in  tryi~~' to
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  respondto  the problems, since  they  were  movingbeyond  the
  informational  stage.He  referredto two  recommendations
  contained in his  letter: (1)  th~ thirdclass  boroughs'can
  by  referendumadoptother  servicesthan  educational;'(2)
  thirdclass  boroughschool  districtscouldcontractwith
  communities within  the  boroughsfor  educational services.
  SenatorThomasasked  if  it wouldn'tbe  possibleto havea
  community that  would  be  ideal  for  formationof borough for
  educationpurposes, but  not  for otherservices. Mr.  Mallot
  saidin order  to  do  that,  there  wouldhave  to be  major
  surgerydone  on  the  muncipalcode  because  the  codegoes
  beyondwhat  is  needed  for  educational  purposes,  but  he did
)
  not  feel  this  was  a  large  difficulty.Mr.  Mallottexplained
  that  underthe presentregulations, a petition is  brought
  up  at  the  locallevel and  presentedto  the  local  boundary'
commission,who  have  the  statutoryand  constitut~onal
  responsibility  to make  judgmentson  that  petition.  The
  boundarycommiss~on can modifyboundariesor  expandthe
  powersthat  the  petitionersmightdesire,  with.theunderstanding
  thatit  goes back  to  the  voters  in  the  area  for  final  deter-
  mination.
Senator  Sackettasked  how  much  money  would  b~ needed this
  yearto implementtheserecommendations.  Commiss~oner Lind
)  stated  he  felt  approximately $250,000  wouldbe needed,for
funding  of  positionsand  travel,and  about  $900,000for
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  planning grantsto  lo~al  communities. Mr.  Mallotstated
  he  wouldneedtwo  additional peopleon  his  staff  andpointed
out  that  he  had  referred to HB  404in hisletterto  the
committee -- thit "if  HB  404  werefrinded  it  wouldtake
approximately  $250,000.
Commissioner L~nd pointed  out  that  hisfeelingwas  thatthe
  planning grantswouldgo  to theDepartment of"  Community&
RegionalAffairsratherthanhis  department;  that  these
grants  wouldbe  for  all  services--not  justeducational.
Commissioner Mallott stated  thiswould"allow  the  communities
to lookat  all  servicesand  to  be  ableto  assumethe  initative
)
that  is  required.
There  was  further discussion concerning  "HB404--whether  it
  wouldsufficiently  solvethe  problems, and  Commissioner  Lind
stated  he  feltthat  he  and  Mr.  Mallott could  gettogether
  withStu  Halland  go overthe  billand  suggestany  necessary
changes. Mr.  Mallot stated  he  had  mentioned HB  404  because
it w~s the only  bill  introduced  that  addressed the  problem
of grantsto  the  communities--that the bill  provides  for
ten  dollars  perpersonfor  planning purposes.  Mr.  Mallott
said  the  bill  passedoutof theHouse  Community &  Regional
  Affairs Committee just  last  weekand  he  thoughtit wasnow
in theHouse  Judici~ry Committee.
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  SenatorCroftstated  ~t washis  understanding  fromthe
  testimony given,that  both  Departments  feel  there  is  no
  needfor  significant structural changesin  statutesat
  thistime,  and  thatit  is a· questionof  financingplanning
  grantsto  meet  the  varyingproblems of thecommunities.
  Mr.  Mallotsaid  thatwas  true;  thatthey  felt  the  State
  neededto  createthe properincentive in  the  local
  communities --  thatif  there ~as aneedfor  roads,sewers,
  water,electricity, and  otherservices, that  thesecould
  be  achievedwithproper  planning and  the  State  neededto
  helpthe peoplebe  awareof theiroptionsin  solvingthese
  problems.
)
Senator  Croftasked  howS.O.S.  feltabout  thisand Mr.Lind
stated  he  could  notspeak  for  them,  butfelt  they  wouldbe
  in  agreement with  this  move  towards recognizing local  control.
  He  stated  hefelt  that  the  city  or  boroughformof  government
  worksextremelywelland  could  not  see  any  reasonfor  changing
  it  or  tryingto createsomething else  as  long  as  they  have
  something that  is  workingwell.
  Therewas  furtherdiscussion concerning fundingand  budgeting.
  and  Mr.  Overstreet pointedout  thatif  the State  wasreally
  tryingto  mike  it possible for  the  localcommunities to  serve
  themselves then  theyshould  not  hav~  constraints  put  on  them,
  theyshQuld  be  able  to  use  theirmoniesfor  whatevereducatlonal
  purposes they  need--notprimarily for  teachers' salariesas  it  is
now  stipulated.
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Mr.  Hallasked  what~djustment wouldbe  madein  thoseareas
that  do  not  havea  tax  base-- asfar  as  localeffort  was
concerned.  CommissionerLind  pointed out  thatit  did  not
~~
have  to  be  a  cash  basis lthat  it  couldbe  in  kindservices
and  he  did  notfeel  this  wasa problem at  the  present time.
Mr.  Overstreet  stated  hefelt  thisinformation wasreaching
the  smaller communities and  thatit  is  makingan  impact.
He  felt  thefoundation planning pretty  well recognizes that
most  of  theseareasdo  not  havea tax  base.
SenatorThomas statedthen  thatwhat  was  needed by  the
Departments wasmore  moneyand  thatthe  committee  should
introduce a  Resolution givmg  direction  to  the  departments.
) .He  suggested that  thecommittee draft  a  Resolution;  submit
an  appropriation  measure; and  handlethe  matter of  incentive
planning grants. He  requested StuHall  to  get  together with
Commissioners  Lindand  Mallotand  comeup  with  thenecessary
draftsof  legislation.Thecommitteewasin  agreement with
this  procedure.
Meetingadjourned at  9:45a.m.
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 HEALTH,  EDUCATION  & SOCIAL  SERVICES  COMMITTEE  HEARING
 March  20,  1974
  (8:30 a.m.  & 3:l5.p.m.;  March  21, 1974  @  8:30 a.m.)
 March  20, 8:30  a.m.
 PRESENT: Senators  Thomas,  Harris,  Croft,  Sackett  & Hensley
 Pres~nt to  testify  from  the University  of  Alaska Planning
 Office  were Donald  Moyer  and Richard  Holden.Also present
 were  Morgan DeBoer  and  James Woodard,  Students  from  U. of  A.
 SB 283Senator  Thomas  stated  the committee  had received  a
 recommendationto add  additional  funds to  the G. O.  Bond
 bill  (SB 283)  to allow  the purchase  by the  University  of
 Alaska  of 80  acres of  land owned by  Rogers  & Babler.He
 asked  Mr. Moyer  to explain  why this  land was  needed  and
)where  it was  located.
 Mr. Moyer  stated  it was  the University'sfeeling that
 they  must consider  long  range plans  for the  University
 now  and that  lands for  expansion would  definitely  be
 needed.H~ presented  a  copy of a  small map  to the com-
 mittee  (copy  attached)  and then  showed the  committee  on
 a large  map which  portion  of lands  the University  was
 considering  as  necessary.He stated  they might  possibly
 work  with the  City of Anchorage  on  including  a cultural,
 sport  and research  complex  within  some of  the proposed  land
 for purchase,assuming  it was acquired  by the  Un~versity.
 Basically  the  lands presently  under  consideration  are  -the
 80 -acres owned  by Rogers  &  Babler and for  an additional
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I
 longrangeview,a parcel of  the  northend  of  theCampbell
 airstrip.
 Senator Thomas'  askedhow  muchmoneytheyfelt  wouldbe
 neededto  acquire the  landand  Mr.  Moyer stated  approximately
 4.8  million dollars.
 Mr.  Moyerthenreferred to  the  Proposed FY  1975CapitalBudget
 Statewide andRegional SummaryrepDrt, showing $29,200,000 in
 G.O.Bondsfor  University  of Alaska capital improvements.He
 gaveeach  member of  the  committee a  copy  ofthis  summary
  (copy  attached) andthen  proceeded  to  discussitemslisted
 therein.
 )
 Senator Croftstatedthe  majoritemsof  constructionin the
 Anchorage areadid  notseem  to  be  for  moreacademic facilities,
 and  Mr •. Moyerexplained they  wereexpecting  to havea  bond
 issueeverytwo  years, and  pointed out  thatthereseemedto
 be  a  feelingat  the' pre's'ent  timethat  thepuhlicschool
 facilities  shou~d be used  rather than  providing  more  new
 faci~ities atthis  time. Mr.  Moyer also  pointed out  that
 in  theiroriginal submission  to  the  Governor they  hadin-
 cl uded$4.. 5 m.i.l,lion.fo,r 'a he.al:u.;h~5',c·ie,nc.e.  building but that
 had  beendeleted, so  they  nowhave2.4  million for  a health-
 science building and  1.5  million for  a  maint'enance building
 whichwouldinclude shopsand  a warehouse.  Therewas  dis-
 cussion a~  to  squarefootage of  spaceinvolved in  the  deletion
 of  the4.5  milliondollars~for ahealt~-scieride building  and
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I
 Mr.  Moyerresponded that  originally  there  hadbeen75,000
 squarefeetand  that  had  beencut  to  about30,000square
 feet. Senator Croft  askedmow  muchof  .the deleted45,000
 squarefeet  wouldhavebeen  usedfor  the  Community College
 and  how  muchfor  the  SeniorCollege.  Mr.  Holden responded
 thatthere  wasa theoretical  divisionbetween t~e Community
 Collegeandthe  SeniorCollegebut  thatit wasdi~ficult to
 define.  Mr.  Moyerals6  pointedoutthat  theywere  dealing
 witha philosophy of  whether the  full  college should  have
 theirown  facilities,  or use  public schoolfacilities  which
 wouldbe  available to  them. There  wasfurtherdiscussion
 concerning this--necessities and  convenience  factors,and
 relationship  betweenCommunity College and  SeniorCollege.
 )  SenatorCroftsaid  he  wasnot  convinced thatthe  University
 shouldn't consider usingthe present facilities as  a  stop-
 gap  measure.  andtry  and  findland  in  another locationfor
 a  full  four-year college.  Mr.  Moyerresponded th~y did not
 feelthere  wasanothercentrallocation that  wouldbe  avail-
 able. Therewas  further discussion concerning possible
 locations of  landand  SenatorSackettaskedif  the  University
 couldtra.d,e land  for  landelsewhere.  Mr.  Holden responded
 thatthe  Division 9f Landscontrols all  Unive~sity landsand
 theyhad  indicated.  therewereno  landsin theAnchorage area
 of  comparable valueto  the  presentUniversity  land. Also,
 thatthe  Division of Landsdid  notapproveo~ tra~ing rural
 landfor  urbanland,·  or viceversa. Senator Thomasasked
 why  theUniversity couldn'tmakethat  determinationand  if
 therewas  a  reasonthey  shouldnot  be  allowed to  do  so.
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I
 Mr.  Holdenresponded thatthe  University had  no  powersof
 eminentdomain,butthe  law  couldbe  changed.
 SenatorThomasstated it wouldbe  necessary to  adjournthe
 meetingdue  to  theSenateSessionand  that  thecommittee
 wouldmeet  againat  2:00  p.m.to  continuethe  discussion.
 Meetingadjourned at  9:45a.m.
  SB  283 3:15  p.m.(Couldnot  meetat  2:00  p.m.  due  to  SenateSession.)
  (Cont'd)
  PRESENT:Senators Thomas,Harris,Croft,Hensley --  SenatorHohman,
 Senator  Palmer,  Rep.'  Malone.
 From  theUniversity of  Alaska: Mr.  Moyerand  Mr.  Holden and
 )  also  Dr.Dafoe.
 Senator  Tho~as  statedthat  beforethe  committee asked
 questions, that  Mr.Moyershouldfinish  hispres~ntation
 begunduringthe  meetingthismorning.
 Mr.  Moyerreferred to  the  summaryreportdealingwiththe
 Southcentral  Regionand  pointedout  thatin  additionto  the
 G.O.  Bonds, there  werethree  Revenue Bond  itemsproposed:
 $6  millionfor  a  S±udentCenter; 1.5  millionfor  a  Total
 Energyutilities System;and3 millionfor  a  parkingstructure.
 out
 He  also  pointed/that  therewas  $80,000in  G.Q.  Bondsfor
 site  improvements  andequipmentat  Bethelthat  wereneeded
  )
 for  the  Community College under  construction  there.
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I
 SenatorThomasstated  that  before proceeding  to another
 Region,that  Senator Palmer,SenatorHohmanand  Rep.Malone
wouldliketo  speak  on  concerns in  their  areas.  He  asked
 SenatorPalmerif  he wouldliketo  testifyconcerning Kenai
 Community Collegesinceit was  in  theSouthcentral Region.
 SenatorPalmerstated  hehad  receiveda  recommendation  from
 the  AdvisoryCommittee for  an  expansion of  facilities in  the
 amountof  $1.350  million due  to  studentgrowth.  He  asked
Mr.Moyer  howthe  University felt  aboutthis. Mr.  Moyer
 stated  thatsincethe  time  the  Regents had  submitted their
·requests,therehad  beena tremendous growth in students,
particularly  in  the  KenaiCommunity College.  Dr.  Dafoe
pointed out  thatat the  timethis  reportwas  prepared, they
)did  not  have  thefall  enrollment figures.  Mr.  Moyerstated
 there  was  no  question that  therewas  a  need  for  expansion
 of  facilit~es there.
 SenatorCroftstated  he  wouldliketo enquire about  the
 Phase  IIIthat  appliesto  the  Matanuska-Susitnaarea,and
 Mr.  Moyerstated  tha~ Kodiak,  Kenaiand  Mat-SuCommunity
 Collegeseachhave  PhaseI and  II  constructions--that  both
phases have  beencompletedfor  Mat-Su, and  that  PhaseII's
 are  underconstruction at  Kenaiand  Kodiak--and thatthese
 were  shopfacilities.  He  stated  theywerenow  fac~ngthe
 need  for  Phas~ III construction  to provide more  classrooms,
 librarie.sand  some  ~dditional shopfacilities.  He  also
 pointedout  thatKuskokwimhad  experienced  the  most  phenomenal
 growththey  had  ever experienced --  thatthe  credit  hours
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had  doubled duringthis  yearand  were  expected to  go  higher
nextyear. Dr.  Dafoe  pointed out  thatthis  increase was
in  academicprograms and  didnot  reflectchanges.  in  vocational
programs.SenatorThomasasked  Mr.  Moyerto  relate credit
hoursinto  numbercl students, and  Mr.  Moyerstatedapproximately
189  studen~ this  yearand  about  250  predicted  for  next  year.
SenatorPalmer stated  he  wouldliketo  see  the  figurefor
the  Research Centerin  Homerincreased~rom $300,000to  $2.5
million, as  the  peopleinvolvedhadindicated this  amount
was  neededto  complete facilities  properly.
Therewas  discussion at  this  pointas  to  whetherto  increase
)  the  totalamountof  SB  283  and  let  the  University  decidehow
the  moneywas  to  be  spent,or  whetherit  shouldbe  designa~ed
by  Regions ,.  or how. Dr.  Dafoepointedoutthat  the  lawnow
statesthatthere  be  a  descriptive pavagraph concerning  each
majoritem. Afterfurtherdiscussion SenatorThomas requested
Mr.  Holdento  prepare a list  of  the  projects and  thedollar
amounts for  each  one  thatcould  be  considered  for  incorporation
in  a  Committe~  Substitutefor  SB  283,  and  present it  for  the
Co mm itte e  's con s i  d,e rat ion in th e  m0 r n in g • Mr~  Holden agreed to
do  this.
Therewas  furtherdiscussion of  the  Kenaifacilities  and
Mr.  Holdenstated  their estimate forPhaseIII  construction
at  Kenaiwas  $1.350.
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 Senator  Hohman  stated  Kuskokwim Community  College  also
 needed  additional  facilitie~,  and  stated  a need for $1,620,000
 for Phase  II construction,which would  include  the $80,000
 presently  listed  in the budget  for  site improvements  and
 equipment.There  was discussion  on  how estimates  of space
 were made  and the  relation  to construction  costs  and budget
 preparation,  etc.There was  also discussionconcerning  the
 addition  of Phase  II ,construction for  Kuskokwim,  and Phase
 tIl constructionfor both  Kodiak and  Mat-su.The committee
 agreed  that"the  following  should be  added:
Kuskokwim  ~  Phase II  - $1,620,000
Kodiak  - Phase III  1,000,000
Mat-Su  - Phase III  750,000
)Senator  Croft asked  if  an appropriation  was made  for a law
 school  in Anchorage  if  there would be  any problem  from a
 planning  pO,int of view.  Mr.  Moyer  said from  a planning
 point  of view there  would  be no problem,  brit from a pro~ram.
 view which  they  felt should  precede  facilities,  there might
 be a problem. Dr. Dafoe pointed  out  that President  Hiatt
 had testified  l~st week  that  a study  was being made  in con-
 junction  with the  Criminal  Justice Division  and  he would  like
 to see  a comparable  ~tudy of  a law  school tied  in with that
 so that  there worild be planning  as well  as a  facility.  Dr.
 Dafoe  also stated  that if  the Legislature  appropriated  funds
 for a  law school  the Univ~rsity would  'see that  it was done,
 but they  did not  feel a law  school was  a priority  item.
 There,  was further discussion  concerning  a law  school and
 the WICHE  program.It was  pointed  out that there  weie
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currently ten  studentsparticipating  in  the  WIeHEprogram,
another50  who  had  applied this  year,and  another46  students
beingsupported. under student loans. The  discussion continued
concerning facilities neededand  numberof  studentsthat  might
attenda.lawschool.
Mr.  Moyerreferredto  theStatewideResearch items  listed
in  the  summaryreportandstated  thatSenatorPalmer  had
indicated a needfor  $2.5  million for  the  Homer  Research
Center.  He pointed out  that  $~50,000 in construction  was
just  beingcompleted in  Homer  and  thatthe  agricultural
peoplewho  had  beenworkingon  the  planningfor  that.facility
indicated they  feltthe  $300,000listed  inthe  summaryreport
PhaseII  of
wouldbe  sufficient for/that  project.
)
SenatorHensley asked  if  the  University plannedto  provide
dormitory spacefor  studentsin  Anchorage apd  Mr.  Moyer  said
the  Boardof  Regentsdid  not  want  to  provide for hou~ing
facilities in  this  bondi$sue,but  that  housingfacilities
wereincludedin  the  six-year  plan.  Therewas  considerable
discussion concerning housing facilities, i.e.  apartment-type
complexes ratherthan  dormitory-type  facilities.
SenatorHensley ask~d what the  Universityplanned for  the
Nome,Kotzebue,·Barrow,AnatuvikPass,and  the  rest  of  his
partof thecountry. Dr.  Dafoestated  theUn~versity had  a
fulltime  man  in  Nome  now  and  plansfor  a  small  building
thisSpring. He  stated  hefelt  that  eachof theseareas
shouldhavea fulltime  personand  a  small  center--for a
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beginning  and  see what interest  could  be generatedon the
local  level--that  a request  for a  community  college  had to
come  from the  local level.
Mr. Moyer  then briefly  review~d theitems  for South~astern
Region  contained  in the  summary report  and  then reviewed
the items  in the  Fairbanks  area; pointing  out  that  most of
the items  there  were maintenanceitems with  the exception  of
a warehouse  building.
-Senator Thomas  asked if  Mr. Moyer~d obtained further  informa-
tion  since the  morning meeting  concerning  the  proposed  land
acquisition.Mr.  Moyer  stated  they had received  information
that  the land  in question  was Section  16, that  it was  a school
"trust"  land that  the Legislaturecould not  pass a  statute
transferinq  this  land to  the University,  that  there  would have
to be  a fair  market compensationsince it was  a ntrust"  land.
He stated  the price  discussed  with  the Division  of  Lands was
$400,000  for  160 acres.  (O'Malley Road).
Senator  Thomas  stated  the meeting would.  be continued  in the
morning  (March  21), at 8: 30 a.m. Meeting  adj6urnedat 4:00 p.m.
SB 283March  21, 8:30  a.m. (Present:  Thomas,  Croft,  Hensley,  Sackett
(Cont'd)and Richard  Holden from  U. of  A.)
Senator  Thomas  called the  meeting  to order  and asked  Mr. Ho1~en
to review  the  listing  of items to be  incorporated  into  SB 283
which  he had prepared  l-astnight.
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Mr.  Holden statedthe  totalamountwas  now  $39,448,000  and
pointed out  the  new  items:
  Kotzebue-  Extension Center&  Community
 CollegeBuilding$750,000.
 Anchorage  - HealthOccupations  Building4,500,000
  Bethel- Kuskokwim Community College
 PhaseII1,600.,000
  Kodiak- Community College, PhaseIII 1,000,000
 Mat-SuCommunity College, PhaseIII 750,000
Mr.  Holdenthenbrieflydiscussed theother  itemslisted  and
madea briefexplanation  of  some  of  them.
Senator Thomasasked  theCommittee what  theywouldlike  to
do  withthe  bill  --  if  a  Committee SubstLtute shouldbe
)  drafted to  includeall  of  theseitems  prepared by  Mr.  Holden.
Senator Croft  movedthat$2 millionbe  added  fora lawschool
in  Anchorage.SenatorThomasdid  notagree. Senator  Hensley
stated  hedid  notfeel  someof theother  itemswereneeded,
but  thatif  money  wasappropriated  for  a lawschool,he  felt
a  definiteneedhad  beenshownfor  one.Therewasconsiderable
discussion  concerning the  addition of " a law school, whether
therewas  a  need  for  oneat  the  presenttime,'  etc. After
further discussion SenatorCroftwithdrew his  motionand  made
a  new  motionto  deletethe  Classroom and  Laboratory  Btiilding
in  the  amount~f $2,400,000and  replaceit with a LawSchool
in  the  amountof  $2;000,000.Senator Thomasvoted  no,and
)
Senators Croft,S acke tt  and  Hens ley'  voted  "Yes". Senator
Croftthen  move~ that  the"billbe  passedoutof  committee
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asa  Committee Substitute  withindividual  recommendations.
There  werenoobjections~ (NOTE: Committee substitute
will bedrawn upandCommittee Report  signed  at  time  CSSB28~
isready.)
There  wasbrief  discussion concerning theneed tochange
the amounts  inthebill tocover the sale of  the G.  o.Bonds
and Richard  Hacker  was asked toobtain  correctfigures  from-
Mr.HoldenandLegislative  Affairsandincorporate  that change
into theCommittee Substitute.
 -  ,
SenatorThomas  stated  thecommittee would meet~in the  morning
at8:30 a.m.  Meetingadjourned at9:15a.m.
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 HEALTH,  EDUCATION  & SOCIALSERVICES  COMMITTEE  MEETING
March22,  1974
8:30  a.m.
RRESENT:S~nators Thomas, Harris  & Croft.Also  present  was  Rep.
  Laktonen.
HJR  78Senatqr  Thomas  asked  the Committeeto consider  HJR  78  and
 asked Rep.  Laktonenif  he wished to  comment  on this  bill.
 Rep. Laktonenstated  that-the  purpose  of  the Resolution
 was to  urge Congressto pass  legislationto provide
 funding  to upgrade  native  schools. He said  many  of them
 are in  a deterioratedcondition  or  need replacingand  the
 State  would not  accept  transfer  of  the schoolsin their
)present  condition. Senator  Croft  moved that  the  committee
 pass HJR  78 out  of committeewith  a "do pass"  recommendation.
 There was  no  objection.
HJR  84Rep. Laktonenstated  that HJR  84 was  introduced  becausethe
 school  at Akiak  seemed  to be  in  worse conditionthan any  of
 the others  and  needed  immediate  attention. Senator  Harris
 moved  the committee  pass  HJR  84 out  of committeewith  a
 "do pas s" re commen'da tion.  There was  no objection.
HCR  2 Senator  Thomas  stated  he had  talked  to CommissionerMcGinnis
 concerning  HC~ 2  and  the Departmenthad no  ~bjections to
 the  .bill. Senator  troft  moved  that  HeR 2  be moved  out  of
 Com.mi ttee with a "do  pass n r·ecommendation.There  were  no
 objections.
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SenatorThomasdirected the  attention  of  the  committee to
HJR  88.Aftera  briefdiscussion,  SenatorCroft  moved that
HJR  88  be  passedout  of  Committee witha  lido pass"recommen-
dation. Therewasno  objection.
SB  487  SenatorThomasaskedthecommittee to  considerSB  487,
dealing  with humanetr~atmentof animals,especially dir-
ectedto horses.  Richard Hackerstated  hehad  talked to
Dr.  Honsinger aboutthis  bill,and  he  hadno  objections
to  SB  487--hisobjections  had  beendirectedto  theprevious
"horsebill". Therewasa briefdiscussion of  thebill
and  SenatorHarris movedthe  Committee passSB  487  out
withoutrecommendation. Therewasno  objection.
)
SB  447  SenatorThomas statedthis  bill  hadbeendiscussed previously
and  the  Committee hadbeen  awaiting information  from  the
principals.He  stated  hehad  now  received a  telegram from
the  Principals Association.expressingtheir  desire for
passageof  the  bill:  Testimony given  previously  did  not
show  anyobjection to' the  bill. Senators Harrisand  Croft
were  concerned thatthe  localschooldistricts should
clarify  theposition of  ~he principalsand  npt  by  statute.
SenatorThomasmovedthatthe  bill  be  passed out  of  committee
with  individual  recommendations. Therewas  no  objection.
 ~ENERAL SenatorThomas staeedthat  Commissioner  McGinnis had  indicated
 )
he  could  meetwiththe  Committee at  lO:30a.m.  to  discuss the
Medicaid bill(SB  465),  andasked  thecommittee to  meet  at
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 that time.
 HB 760Senator  Thomas stated  that Rep.  Milo Fritz  wanted to  testify
 concerning  HB 7~O,  but since he  was in session  at the  ti~e,
 the committee  would  consider HB  760 sometime  next week.
 Meeting  adjourned  at  9:00 a.m.
 Senator  Thomas called  the meeting  to order  at 10:30  a.m~
 Present were  Senators  Thomas,  Croft, Hensley,  and  Senator
 Hohman.Also present  was Commissioner  McGinnis.
 SB 465Senator  Thomas asked  the committee  to consider  the proposed
)committee  substitute  for SB 465  which the  Commissioner  had
 passed out  to the members.Mr.  McGinnis  stated  the language
 in the proposed  committee  substitute  had been  approved  by
 the Attorney  General's  office,  Region X people  and  also the
 Washington  people.He stated  the sentence  which had  been
 inadvertently  dropp~d in  the previous  bill  had been put  back
 in and  also a change  in the language  had been  made on  page 2,
 line 12,  as the Attorney  General's  office  felt  this would
 clarify  that in the  future no  groups or services  could  be
 added without  legislative  action.After  further discussion
 Senator  Thomas asked  that a Committee  Substitute  be  drafted
 over the  weekend and  the committee  could take  action  on it
 )  on Monday.Mr. McGinnis  reminded  the committee  that  if  this
 were passed  before March  31, the  State could  apply  for funds
 retroactive  to January  1.
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 (SECRETARY's  NOTE: SB  465.  was  passedout·of  Committeewith
  do pass  .recommendationon  Monday, March25,1974)
 SB  283 Senator Thomas statedthe  Committee  Substitute forSB  283
wasreadyto  be  reviewed.  After a briefdiscussion  it was
movedthatCSSB·283 be  passed out  of  committee witha  lido
pass ll recommendation.
Meeting adjourned  at  11:15a.m.
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-l HEALTH,  EDUCATION  & SOCIAL  SERVICES  COMMITTEE  MEETING
  March  26,  1974
8:30 a.m.
  . PRESENT:Senators  Thomas,  Croft,  Sackett  & Hensley .
Present  to testify  from  the Departmentof Education  were
Commissioner  MarshallLind, Robert  Isaac  and William
Thompson;  from  the Department  of  Community  & Regional
Affairs  were CommissionerByron  Mallott  and John  Chenoweth;
and Stuart  Hall  from LegislativeAffairs.
RURAL Senator  Thomas  called  the meeting  to order  and  asked the
EDUCATION
committee  to review  the  proposed  bills  drafted  by Stuart
Hall as  a result  of the  meeting  of March  18th.He suggested
that the  committee  discuss  each  bill separately.
  )
#1 - Providingfor advisory  school  boards  in borough  school
districts. There  was  considerable  discussionas to whether
this bill  was  actually  needed.Commissioner  Lind  stated  he
felt  it was not  needed  and that  the districtsshould have
latitude  to set  up boards  as they  saw  fit.  Commissioner
Mallott  said  he did not  like the  concept  of advisory  school
boards,  but that  the language  had  been  extracted  from  an
existing  statute.After  further  discussion,  Commissioner
Lind  suggested  incorporating  the  concept  of this  bill into
the present  statute(Sec. 14.14.090),  dealing  with  the  duties
of" local school  boards  which sets  out  six  powers, by ad~ing
a new  section  (#7) stating  the  dist~icts could  providefor
advisory" school  boards,  but leaving  the  mechanics  up to  them.
There  were no  objections.
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 #2  -Providingfor planning, platting andzoningin  third
 classboroughs.Senator Croftasked  if  thiswouldbe
 effective onlyafter  an  area-wide  .election  and  was  assured
 this· was  ·the  case. Therewas  furtherdiscussion  concerning
 the  differences  betweensecondclassand  thirdclass  boroughs
 and  whatservicesare  provided undereach. Senator Thomas
 askedif  there  wereany  objections to  thebill  and  there
 were  none.
 #3  -  Relatingto  schoolboardsin  thirdclassboroughs.
 Mr.  Hallstated  thisbillsimplyallowedthe  boroughs to
 hav~ the size  of  schoolboardthey  desired.There  wasa
 briefdiscussion and  the  committee hadno  objection to this
 bill.
)
 #4  - Prov i  ding  for  s tate  aid  to unin corporate d comm~..n.i ties.
 Mr.  Hallstated  thisbill  wasbasically a  committee sub-
 stitute for  HB  404,  as  discussed last  week. Mr.Mallott
 statedthe  amountshadbeen  changed from  $1,000percommunity
 in  HB  404  to  $1,500in  this  bill,and  $10  percapitain
 HB  404  to  $15.00in  this  bill. He  saidthat  HB  404  was
 presently in  the  HouseJUdiciary Committee.  Therewas
 discussion concerning  the  paymentsection, i.e.  whether
 communities  have  to  be  lncorporated,  etc. SenatorSackett
 expressed concernoyerthis  section of  the  bill,and  stated
 someareas  wereafraidof  incorporating~
 discussion  it  was agreed to inserton  pageI,  line  21  "or
 traditional  councils".  Therewere  no  objections  to  the  bill.
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 Commission~r Lindstated  hewouldliketo  present$ome
 suggestions  to thecommittee in  writtenformwithina  few
 days  pertaining  to  this  bill some  ideason  whatthey
 mightwant  to  do  in  education services and  specific duties.
 He  did  not  thinkit  wouldbe  necessary to  hold  thisbill
 and  had  no  obj€ction to  it.
 #5  - Making a special appropriation  to  the  Department  of
 Community &  RegionalAffairs for  the  unincorporE:ted  communities
 governmental  orga~ization andservices account.Therewas
 a briefdiscussion  of  the  billand  SenatorCroftsuggested
 that 'theeffective date  clausebe  changed to  read"takes
 effecton  the  effective dateof  43.18.500" so  thatif  the
)CS  for  HB  404(bill  #4)  doesnot  pass,then  therewouldnot
 be  a problem with  this.  There  wereno  objections to  the
 change.  There  wasfurtherdiscussion  concerning the  amount
 of  appropriation($700,000), whetherthiswas  for  one,or
 threeyears,and  whether any  surplusshouldlapseintothe
 general fund.Afterfurther discussion it wasthecommittee's
 decision to  leave  thebill  as  drafted as  far  as  the  appropria-
 tionamountwas  concerned.There  wereno  furtherobjections
 to  the  bill.
 #6  - Making specialappropriationsto  the  Depar·tment~~
 Education and  Community &  Regional Affairsfor  thedissemina-
 tionof information  concerning  futurelocal  governmental  'and
)
 schooldis·trict  or~jc1l1iz.at.i.on  to u~ganized communities.
 Commissioner  Lindstatedthe  amountshownin  the  bill($250,000)
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 should  be  reducedto $130,000-- he  felt  thisamount  would
 be sufficient after  making  a  study  since  last  week. He
 also  requestedthat  the  effectivedate  clause  be  changed
 fro~ JulyI,  1974,  to immediately upon· passageas they  had
 already  receivedseveralrequestsand  needed  the  funds  as
 soon  as possible.  There  were  no objections to  these  changes.
 Mr. Hallstated  he  could  have  all  of the  billstyped  by
 this  afternoonand  Senator  Thomassaid  if  it was  agreeable
 the  committeewould  introducethem  tomorrow. Therewere  no
 objections.
 Meeting  adjourned at 9:30  a.m.
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H~ALTH, EDUCATION & SOCIAL  SERVICESCOMMITTEE  MEETING
 March 27,  1974
 8:30  a.m.
 PRESENT:SenatorsThomas,  Harris,  Croft,  Sackett  &  Hensley
Also  present  to  testify  were  RepresentativeMilo  Fritz;
Mrs.  V. Lennonof the  Alaska  ~ursing Boa~d;  Mr.  V. -L.
Iverson  of  Departmentof Health  &  Social  Services;  and
Mrs.  Dorothy  Benson,Administrator,Violent  Crimes
CompensationBoard.
 HB 760  Senator  Thomascalled  the meeting  to  order  and requested
  am
the  Committeeconsider  HB 760am.He  asked  Representative
Fritz  to  testify  on the  bill,  and Rep_.Fritzstated  that
acupuncturewas  a form  of treatmentand anaesthesiathat
)  has  been  practiced  in  the Far  East  for many  centuries
and  has recentlybeen  of interest  in  this  country.He
then  explained  brieflywhy  it was importantto restrict
acupunctureto  licensed  physiciansand dentists,i.e. the
fact  that  it  could be  dangerous  if  not used  correctly.
There  was  considerablediscussionconcerning  the  bill
and  then  Senator  Thomas  moved  that  the bill  be pa~sed out
of  committee  with  individualrecommendat~ons. There  was
no  objection.
 HCR 7Senator  Thomasasked  the Committeeto consider  HCR  7,. and
asked  Mrs.  Val  Lennqn  to testify  concerningthis  bill.
Mrs.  Lennon  passed  out  to the  Committee  a positionpaper
pointingout the  necessityof having  refreshercourses  and
relicensureof  nu~ses  (copy  attached). Senator  Harris
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 asked if  th~  State  presently required  a test of  some sort
 for nurses  .who come into the  State  from other  States and
 Mrs. Lennon  stated  they could  come in  by endorsement  from
 their home  states,  and she  felt this was  one of  the prob~ems,
 i.e. under  the present  law  the Board  cannot deny  a license
 to nurses  who have  come in  under endorsements.·After  further
 discussion,  Senator  Croft  moved that  the bill  be p~ssed out
 of Committee  with  a do pass  recommendation. There was no
 objection.
  SB 477  Senator  Thomas asked  the Committee  to  consider  SB 477 and
 said Mr.  Iverson  and Mrs. Benson  would  like to  testify on
 this bill.Mrs.  Benson passed  out  copies of  a position
)paper  (copy attached)  supporting  recommendedchanges to
 the present  statute.Mrs.  Benson discussed  these  changes
 to be made,  which  is the basis  of SB  477.  She  then explained
 what the  Violent  Crimes CompensationBoard had  been doing
 and gave  each member  a copy  of their  first  annual report.
 The committee  then  reviewed  SB 477 and  suggested  changes,
 as amendments,  were made.Senator Croft  was concerned  with
 the wording  on page  2,. lines I and 2,  referring  to the
 decision  of the board  not  beirig subject to judicial  review-
 and felt  the board  would have  problems  with that  wording.
 It  was agreed that  "and is  not subject  to judicial  review"
 would be  deleted  by amendment.There  was discuss·ion con-
 cerning  Section  3, page 2,  line 5,  and it was  agreed for
 purposes  of clarification  that  after  the-word  "responsible"
 on line  5, that  "or  who had been responsible"would be  added.
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 Also  in  Section3, and  for the  purposeof clarification,
  it  was agreed  to  'delete the  "i ll at the end of  line  6 and
 add  "or  death; ". In  Section  4 on  page  .2, it was  agreed·
 that  in  order  to  give the  Board  necessarydiscretion,.it
 would  be  necessaryon  line 20.todelete  all materialon
 that  line  which  followedthe  comma  and  insert  instead
  "the board  may  requirethat.  he refund".SenatorCroft
 then  moved  that  SB  477,  with  amendments,be passedout  of
  committee  with  a  do pass  recommendation.  There  were  no
 objections.  Mr.  Iverson  stated  that  there  might  be  future
 problemswith  fundingand wantedthe committeeto  be aware
 of  the  fact  that  there  might  possibly  have  to  be  a supple-
 mentalrequest  at  some  time  in the  future,  due  to  the  fact
)that  the  Board  was  receivingmore  claims  than  previously,
 thus  the  workloadof the  board. was  increasing,and  due  to
 the  fact  that  monies  cannotbe encumberedbeyondthe end  of
 the  fiscal  year,thus havingto lapsefor one  particular
 year.
 Meetingwas  adjournedat 9:25  a.m.
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  HEALTH,EDUCATION &  SDCIALSERVICESCOMMITTEE MEETING
  March28,  1974
8:30  a.m.
  PRESENT: Senators Thomas,Harris& Croft.  Also  presentwasSenator
  Hohmani Stuart  Hallfrom  Legislative Affairs; and  Represen-
  tativeGenieChance(who  camein duringdiscussion  on SCR39).
  SB  497  SenatorThomasaskedthe  comm~ttee to  considerSB497 and
  SB  498,  whichweretwo  ofilie billson  ruraleducationthat
  had  beendrawn  up  by  the  committee and  discussed in  the
  meetingon  March26.He  askedthe  membersof  the  committee
  if  therewere  any  questions or  discussion on  SB  497.
  Senator Croft  movedthat  SB  497  be  passedout  of  committee
)
  witha "do  pass"recommendation. There  was  no  objection.
  SB  498SenatorThomasstated  thattestimony given  duringthe
  meeting of March26  on  SB 498  by  Commissioner  Lind  wasthat
  thisbe  includedin  14.14.090.  He  askedStuart  Hallwhy
  the  bill  hadbeen  drawnup  as beingunder  14.12.035.Mr.
  Hallexplainedthat14.14.090 concerneddutieswhichwere
  mand~tory,  and  it was  his  understanding  thatthe  committee
  desired this  to  be piscretionary,and  that  14.12.035  was
concernedwith  discretionary  powers.  The  committee agreed
  unanimously  this  was  the  correct  placement. SenatorCroft
  recommended  that  the  bill  be  passedout  of  committee with
  a  "do  pass"recommendation.Therewas  no  objection.
  SCR  39SenatorThomasasked  the  committee to  consider SCR  39 and
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  asked  Rep.Chance  if  shewould like to  testify  onthebill.
  Rep. Chance ~eclined .to testify  andSenator  Croft stated
  that heand  Rep. Chance hadmetwith several  people  the
  previousafternoonforapproximately  five hours, working
  onHB70  concerning theadoption  code.He  requestedthat
  thecommitteedefer  further  discussionofSCR 39 until.
  such time as  they could complete  work on  a  bill thatwould
  remove  someoftheobjections to  HB70. Senator  Thomas
stated  he would not object to  holdingSCR39fora reason-
  able length  .of time,  ,but that dueto  thesession  nearing
  anend,hedidnotfeel it  should beheld toolong.It
  wasunanimously  agreed to  hold SCR 39  fora  reasonable
leng'th0 f  time.
  9:00 a.m.
) BOARDING PRESENT: Mr.Dan Johnson,  Supervisor of  theDormitory
HOME
  PROGRAM  Program;Mr.Weinberg,RegionalSuperintendent  ofBethel
sch061s;  andMrs.Murphy,representing t~e Native Cdrporations;
(allfrom Bethel, Alaska,  who cametotestify  on  theBoarding
  Home Program);also to  testify  were Commissioner Lind and
  Bill ThompsonfromtheDepartment of  Education.
Senator  Thomas made theappropriate introductions  andasked
for  testimony.  Mrs.,Murphy pointedoutthattheboarding
  home program  would notbefunded byJohnson-O'Malleyfunds
  this year, that the  Johnson-O~Malley Committee (of  whi~h
  ahe is  secretary) andtheRegional  Corporations  felt  that
  the educationof  thechildren  was theresponsibility  ofthe
'\
/.
State.Shesaidtheonlyreason  that Johnson-O'Malleyfunds
  hadbeen usedwas dueto  anemergencysituation  where  about
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)1500 students would  nbt be  able to  go to  school had  not the
funds  been provided  by the  Johnson-O'Ma1leyCommittee.She
said  last  year they had  funded about  $190 per  student.-
Mrs.  Murphy also  stated  another factor  that  enters  into the
picture  is the  fact that  parents do  not want  their  children-
sent  away from  home for  their schooling,  that  they  felt  the
children  should  be educated  at  home whenever  possible.But,
due  to the fact  that there  were not  high  schools in  the
 small villages,  that if  the children  were  sent to Bethel
they  could at  least  have the children  home  on weekends  and
holidays.She  stated they  had, at  parental  request,  also
looked  into the  possibility  of mandatoryattendance  areas
within  the  State.  Mrs.  Murphy stated  they  were requesting
the  H.E.S.S.  Committee  to recommend  an appropriationthat
had  been made  by the Department  of  Education,  but that  also
they  did not  feel the  appropriation  was large  enough,  since
 it was predicated  on several  schools  be~ng completedand
ready  for use  this fall,  and she did  not  feel these  schools
would  be ready  at that  time.
Mr.  Thompson  stated the  Department  had requested  1.8  million
 dollars based  on about  780 students  for the  boarding  home-
program  this  year; that  Johnson-O'Malley  had  funded  about
 2.3 million  dollars for  1100 students,  and  there were  about
 1300 students  in the program  this  year.  He  stated  the figure
 of 780 students  had been  made on the  assumption  that  the new
 high schools  in that  area would be  operating  next year.
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  SenatorThomas  said  thathe  felt  it wouldbe  imperative
) that  they  appearbef~re theFinanceCommittee becauseif
  the  Departmenthad  requested 1.8 million dollars,it would
  be  difficult  toincreasean appropriation  without  justifica-
  tion. The  group  indicatedthey  wouldlike  to  appear  before
  the  FinanceCommitteewhile  they  werein Juneau.
  There  was  considerable discussion concerningthe  boarding
  home  program,i.e.  improvemen~s made  withinthe  last  year
  in  the  dormitoryin Bethel,and  discussion of  the program
  in  general. Mrs.  Murphyreferredto  the reportdone  by
  JudithKleinfeldand  said  she  questioned the validity of
  the  report,that  she  did  not  feel  a reportshouldbe based
  on  a programonly  one  year  old,  and  she  felt  the  report
)
  was  unjustlycritical  ofthe  boardinghome  dormitoryat
  Bethel.
  Mrs.  Murphyalso  pointedout  that  they  realizedit wasnot
  feasibleto  have  high  schoolswhere  onlya few  children
  wouldattend,  but  that  therewere  areas  where50 to  60  stu-
  dentscould  attend  if  schoolswere  availa~le.  She  also
  stated  theywere  very  much  againstthe  correspondence  courses
  in  lieu  of  classroo~ educationi  citingsome  reasonswhy  the
  correspondence  course-typeeducationwas  not  feasible --  no
  adequatelibrariesor  readingmaterials,no  guidanceavailable,
  etc. She  stated  that  educationby  T.V.  and  satellite  was
) .  a possible solutionfor  the  future,  but  theirproblem  was
  immediate and pointedout  that  in  the  long  run  it wouldcost
  the  Stateless moneyto  educate  thesechildren,ratherthan
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 have  them grow  up as  additions  to the  welfare  rolls  or
)overcrowded  jails  and  be supported  by  the  State in  that
 way.
 Mr. Johnsonstated the  Depart~ent ofEducation  was  requesting
 an increasefor boarding  home  students  in Anchorageto $220 1
 and  that the  increase  for Bethel  which  had been  requested  was
 an increaseof only  $36 -- he  felt Bethelshould receive  an
 increase  to  $250 per  student.
 Senator  Hohman  asked  Mr. Thompson  to  explain  why the  Department
 did not  request  funding  for  the dormitoryat Bethel  for this
 year  and Mr.  Thompson  stated  because  of the  high cost  factor
)of the  boarding  home  program  per student  and  because  of the
 social  and academic  problemsresulting  from  living  in an
 institutionalizedsituation. There  was further  discussion
 concerning  the  report  by Judith  Kleinfeld  and  the  .differences
 in the  boarding  home  program  this year  as comparedto last
 year  when the  report  was made.
 Mr.  Weinberg  stated  he felt  the report  was non-scientific; .
 that  in the Bethel.  area it was  based  on 20  students with  no
 prior  background  on  the students;  and  he questionedsome of
 data  contained  in the  report.He then  gave  some comparisons
 of operationof the  dormitory  at Bethel  in the  pa~t y~ar.
 Mr. Weinbergtold the  committee  that,  based  on the period
 between  October  to January,the absentee  rate  at the  high
 school  last  year was  16 percent  --this  yearit was  5%.
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 He  said the ,drop out  rate  last  year had been  26  students,
)
 whereas  this  year  only 10  students  had withdrawnfor
 various  reasons  --  this was  from  a total  of 440  students~
 Mr.  Weinberg  stated  that  during  the first  semester  of  school
 this  year,  students  who were  ~n  school  last  year and returned
 this  year,  those  students  had earned  more  credits  this  .year
 than  iast  over the  same period  of  time.  ·He also  stated  that·
 last  year  they had  serious  drinking  and  drug problems  in
 the  school,  and especiallyat class  dances;  whereas,  this
 year  they have  had  no incidentsat all.
 Senator  Thomas  asked  Mr.  Thompson  to clarify  the  reason
 the  Department  did  not request  sufficient  fundsto operate
)the  boarding  home program--ifit was  based  on the  high
 schools  that  were  to be opened  next  year.Mr. Thompson
 stated  there  was a  note in  the budget  document  that  says
 if  those high  schools  are  not ready,  that  the add£tional
 monies  will  have to  be put  into  the boarding  home  program.
 Senator  Thomas  asked  CommissionerLind if  he could  clarify
 this  further  and Mr.  Lind  stated  it  was a complicated  arrange-
 ment  as to  what was  to be  funded.He pointed  out  that their
 budget  document  had  been preparedlast fall,. and  actually
 started  in  August  and September,and had been  based  on the
 assumptionthat these  schools  would  be ready  ·by n~xt year.
 He  said if  the boarding  school  program  was  to be  funded  for
 next  year  something  would  have to  be done  because  the figures
 were  not  in the budget. Senator  Hohman  asked the  Commissioner.
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)if  the  Department  wouldsupport a request for  additional
 fundingforthe  dormitory  at Bethel, andCommissioner  Lind
 repliedtheywoulddo  everything  theycouldto  see  that
 the  students wereeducated in  Bethel.  Therewas  further
 discussion concerning  thisneedfor  additional  funding.
 SenatorThomas announced thata definite  appointment  had
beenmadefor  thegroupfrom  Bethel withthe  Finance
 Committee for  later  intheday,  andhe  hopedthey  would'
beable  to  explain the  problems to  themembers of  that
 committee.He  stated, that it wasalmosttimeforthe
 sessionto  beginandthat  thediscussi9n would have  to
)come  to  a  closeveryshortly.
 SenatorHohmanpointed outthat  fuere  wasapproximately
C.v
 $7  millionleftfromAbond issuein'72  and  thatconstruction
 had  not  beenstarted, consequently  those funds  werebeing
 erodedby  inflation.Commissioner  Lindstated  that the  bond
 issue($16  million) hadbeen  passed in  the  fall  of1972and
 that  in  thespringof  1973thereweresevenschoolsready
 to  go  out  to  bid. He  saidSOS  had  requested  remaining funds
betransferred  to  them  to  complete projects  alreadyunderway
 and  the  Department  had  transferred  thesefundstoSOS. Since
 that  time,Mr.,  Lind  stated  he had  askedseveral timeswhat
problems  were  beingencounted  and  why  theconstruction  had
 not  beendone. Therewas  somefurther discussion  concerning
 this,  butdue  to  timefactorit  wasdecidedtheissuewould
 be  discussed withSOS  and  theDepartment  at  a later  date.
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  HEALTH,  EDUCATION  & SOCIAL  SERVICES  COMMITTEE  MEETING
 March  29, 1974
 11:10 a.m.
PRESENT: Senators Thomas,  Harris,  Croft & Hensley
  Present  to testify  was Mr.  Alfred  Kehl, Director  of Forest  Lawn
  Memorial  Chapel  & Crematory  in Anchorage.
 CS SB344Senator Thomas  stated  that Mr. Kehl  was appearing  before
 Amended
  the  committee  to give  testimony  concerning CSSB  344 am.
  Mr.  Kehl stated  he would  like to  see this bill  "die" in
committee thi~ session. He said  that while he  did have
the Alaska Funeral  Directors'  Associatio~ approvalof the
) bill,  it was  their feeling  they would  like to  work on
the bill this  year and  have a new  bill introduced  during
  .the next  session that  would be more  understandable.
Senator Croft  asked if  that was the  official  positio~ of
the Association  and Mr.  Kehl replied  that it was. Senator
Hensley moved  that CSSB  344 am be  buried in  committee.
There was no  objection.
  Meeting  adjourned  a~ 11:15  a.m.
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  HEALTH, EDUCATION&  SOCIAL SERVICES  COMMITTEE  MEETING
  April 2,  1974
  8:30a.m.
PRESENT:Senators  Thomas,  Harris, Croft, Sackett  &  Hensley •. Also.
  present totestify  was  Representa~ive Hackney.
HB  796am  Senator Thomas  called the  meeting  tQ  order andaskedthe
  ~ommittee membersto  consider  HB796am.  Hesaid  that
  Rep.H~ckney .wasappearing  td  testify  on  HB796amand
  asked  Mr. Hackney  for  hiscomments.
  Rep.Hackney  stat~d thatHB  796,inits  originalform,
')
  had  been a  mandatory  death bill,but  failed  topassthe
  House; thataneff6rt  had b~en made·  to  putin  a  substitute
  bill;that  had  failed alsoandthe  ·resulting bill is
  HB  796am.·  He  stated  that  intalking  with  judges· in  two
  cities of  theState, he  hadbeentold thei~ feelings oh
  mandatory  death pen~lty wasthatit would  never.be  ~sed
  not  because  thejudges wouldnotuseit~  but bec~use juries
  ·would  notbring in  a  convictionif  they felta  deathpenalty
  wouldbeimposed~Rep.Hackney  stated  he felt  that  if  a
  jurywereto  bring  .inconvictions withlifesentencesin
  mind,that th~y might  occasionally doso,  buthe  felt  they
  wouldnotbring in  ~.  conviction  if  a  death penalty wo~ld
 )be  imposed.Hepointed outthatif  a  jury brings ~n a
  conviction,it  isthe  judge who·  imposes thesentences. Rep.
  Hackney s·aid  hehadbeentoldthatsomeofthese criminals
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 arebackon  the  streets in  fiveor  ten  years.  He  felt
  f
 thepublicis  wo~dering 'aboutourjustice system.
 Therewasfurther discussion  concerning  the  mandatory  death
 pro~ision,  andSenator Thomaspointed out  thattheother
  committee of  referral hadindicated to  himthatthe  bill
 would'  notbe  passed out  of  thatcommittee.Afterfurther
 discussion  Senator Harris movedthatthe  bill  bepassed out
 ofcommittee withindividual  recommendations.  Motion fail~d.
 Senato~ Croft stated  hewouldliketo  knowwhether there
 hadbeenany  instances  in  .the pastten  yearswhere a criminal
 hadbeenconvicted of  anyof  the  crime~  listed  in  thebill
  and  had  notbeengivena  life  sentence.Rep.Hackney stated
 he  hadbeentoldihis  hadhappened but  wasunableto  cite
  specific cases.
 Richard Hacker stated  Mr. Snowden of  the  CourtSystem from
 Anchorage  was  intown  andhad  beenrequested toappearbefore
  the  committee thismorning, buthad  notshownup. Senator
 Croft said  he  would like  toobtainthis' informationbefore
 further considerationof  thebill.
  SenatorThomas askedRichard  .Hacker tocontactMr •. Snowden
  and  ask  himto  appearbefore the  committee  in  themorninq.
SB  290 SenatorCroft askedthat  thecommittee  consider SB  290  on
  Thursday morning, and  it was agreedto  doso.
 Meeting  adjourned at  9:00a.m.
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  HEALTH, EDUCATION &  SOCIALSERVICES COMMITTEE MEETING
April4,  1974
9:00  a.m.
 ?RESENT:  Senators Thomas, Harris,Croft&  Hensley
  Alsopresentto  testify  were CommissionerMarshall Lind
  fromthe  Department  of Education;  RobertVanHoutefrom
  ~EA-Alaska;  PeterPartnQw ~rom Attorney  General's Office;
  and  Robert LintottfromPTPC;Mrs.SharonLobaugh, Juneau
  SchoolBoard.
 SB  290Senator Thomascalledthe  meeting to  orderand  askedthe
  committee to  consider SB  290,and  askedfor  testimony on
  the  bill.
  Mr.  Lintott statedthisbill  hadbeen  requested bythe
  PTPCCommission because they  had had problems in  policing
  thedecisions that  havebeen  madein  casesand  thereseems
  to  be  too  muchdistance betweentheagencies makingthe
  determinationof  casesthat  comebeforethe  PTPCand  the
  agencies thatdeal  outthe  punishment or  whatever is  merited
  in  thecase. He  explained that  theCommission had  requested
  the  bill  because  they  feltthey  needed the  authority to
  suspend or  revokecertificates--not  because  everycasewould
  merita  suspension or  revocation,  but  because thosematters
  of  lesser severityaredifficult to  policeand  theyhave  no
  wayto makesurethe  recommendationsare  carried out. He
\ alsopointedoutthat  theCommission feltthey  shouldhave
)
  thesame  control that  BoardsofControland  Licensures  have
  overtheir  professionalgroups.
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 Mr.  Lintott  pointed out  that the second  half  of this measure
)provides  for bringing  the  PTPC procedures  in  line with the
 Administrative  proceduresand also would  allow  the PTPC  to
 have  legal council  to serve  as a hearing  officer.There  was
 considerable  discussionconcerning  the points  Mr. Lintott
 had brought  up  and then  Senator Thomas  asked  Dr. Lind for
 his views  on the  bill.
 Commissioner  Lind  stated  they did not  feel the  commission
 should  have. the power to  suspend or  revoke these  certificates
 as he  felt that  power would  make them  both judge  and jury
 and  there would  be no process  for review  by another  agency,
 therefore,  their  decision  would be  final.  He  stated  the
 Commission  is relative  new  and there  had been  only one  case
)where  they have  asked for  a revocation,  but that  the Department
 had  revoked four  certificates--only  one  of. which came from
 the  PTPC as a  recommendation.He stated  t~e  Department would
 like  to see this  portion  of the bill  deleted,  and that they
 supported  the rema~nder ofthe bill  completely.
 Mr. Partnow  went  through  the bill and  pointed  out some minor
 technical  changes  that should  be made  for clarification
 purposes.
 Senator  Thomas asked  Commissioner  Lind  if  the letter  the
 committee  had received  from  Mr. Robert  Jacobs was  a Depart-
 mental  view and  the Commissioner  stated  that Mr.  Jacbbs was
 speaking  strictly  for himself--n6tfor the Department  even
 though  he had used  departmental  stationery.
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There  was then  a brief  discussion  as to  the appointmentof
members  to the  PTPC Commission,and Mr.  Van .Houte pointed
out  that any  group of  teachers  could submit  a  list  of names
to the  Governor  for his  considerationfor appointment-~that
there  were no  restrictions  on who  could  submit  the list  of
names.
Mrs.  Lobaugh,  a member  of the Juneau  School  Board,  stated
she  felt the  PTPC should  not have  the  authority  to revoke
or  suspend certificates,and  cited an  example of  a case  in
the  Juneau  School District  that  had been  given  only a
cursory  investigationand no satisfactorysolution  to their
problem.She  felt that  the Commissionerof Education  should
)  have  greater  powers  in dealing  with teacher  problems.Senator
Croft  asked Mrs.  Lobaugh  if  the Juneau  School problem  had
been  brought  to the PTPC  before  or after  it  had obtained  an
Executive  Director  and  Mrs. Lobaugh  stated  it  was before.
There  was further  discussionconcerning  the portion  of the
bill  dealing  with revocation  and  suspension  of teacher's
certificatesand Mr.  Lintott  asked CommissionerLind,. in
order  to assist  the' Commission  in policing  those  findings
of  fact in cases  of  lesser severity  than  revocation,  if  he
would  be willing  to  support an  authority  of suspension  of
some  sort for  i limited  time by  the Commissiori rabher  than
authority  of  revocation  by the  Commission.Commissioner
Lind  replied  that if  the Commissi9n  were  to recommend  a
suspension,and the  Department  could legally  do  so, then
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then  theDepartment I  s  position \",ould be  Il yes ." Mr.  VanHoute
askedthe  Commissioner  if  he  wouldsupport the  billif  the
word"revoke"wereremovedfromthe/bill, and  Mr.Lind  stated
"possibly".
Mr.  Partnow suggested a possible compromise  mightbe  found
by  addinga  fourthparagraph underAS  14.20.030 whichwould
say  in  effect" ••. ethicalor  professional  teacher performance,
contractual  obligations,  and  professional  teaching mis-
conduct, upon  investigationand  recommendationby  the  PTPC ••• "
Afterfurtherdiscussion,  it  was  agreed that  the  bill  would
be  redrafted and  thecommittee wouldmeet  on  April5  at  9:00  a.m.
to  reviewthe  bill.
)
Meetingadjourned  at  9:45  a.m.
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)  HEALTH,  EDUCATION  &  SOCIAL  SERVICES  COMMITTEE  MEETING
AprilS,1974
9:00  a.m.
PRESENT: Senators  Thomas,  Croft  & HensleyoAlso  present  were  Repo
Banfield  and  Rep. Chance;  Robert  Van  Houte,  NEA-Alaska;
Peter  Partnow,  Attorney  General's  Office;and Mr.  Nat Cole,
Department  of  Education.
CSSB  290Senator  Thomas  asked  the committeeto consider  the  redraft
of SB  290, and  after  a brief  discussion,it was  agreed to
move  it  out of committee  as  a committee  substitute. CSSB  290
was passed  out  of committee  with  a  "do pass"  recommendation
with no  objections.
CS  SSHB Senator  Thomas  asked  Rep. Banfieldto commefrt on  CS SSHB  428.
  428
Mrs. Banfieldstated  this legislation  had  been  introducedat
the request  of  local  peopl~ who  had  had problems  with  animals
coming  in on  the ferries,  and  also by  the  local Veterinarian,
Dr. Lobaugh. She stated  that  when the  bill  went  to the House
H.E.S.S.  Committee  they  had  added a  section  "Evidence  of
Ownership",and then  when the  bill  went to  House Judiciary,it
was suggestedby Dre  Honsinger  that  this section  be  removed,
which  it was,  ex~ept  for the  title  on page  I, line  13.  She
requested  that  the Commitieedelete  that wording  by  amendment.
Mrs. Banfieldalso  stated  that specific  diseases  had  not been
listed  in the  bill,  at the  suggestion  of Dr.  Honsinger,  due  to
the  fact that  one or  more might  inadvertentlybe  omitted.
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  After~  brief  discussion, the  committee agreedwithout
-)
  objection to moveCSSSHB428  out  of  committee with  a  "do
  pass"recommendation,  with  amendment to  delete"Evidence
  of  Ownershipllon  page  1,  line  13.
  At  this  timeSenatorHensleyhad  to  leave  the  meeting,
  and  sincethere  was  no  longera  quorum,no  furtherbills
  couldbe  discussed.  SenatorThomasassuredRep.  Chance
  that  thecommitteewoulddiscussCSHB429am next  week,
  sinceshe  had  appearedto  testifyon  that  bill.
  Meetingadjourned at  9:30  a.m.
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HEALTH,EDUCATION  & SOCIALSERVICES COMMITTEEMEETING
April9,  1974
8:30  a.m.
  PRESENT:  Senators Thomas,Harris&  Croft. Also  present was  Rep.
GenieChance.
Presentto  testify on  SB 284  was  Mr.MichaelKennedy,
Director of  State  Museum; Dick  Engenand  otherinterested
persons.  Presentto  testifyon  CSHB429am  wasRep.  Chance
and  Mr.  Morley from  the  Division of EnvironmentalHealth,
Department of  Health  '&  SocialServices.
  SB  284SenatorThomas asked  Mr.  Kennedy for  commentson  SB  284
and  information  concerning the  museumprogram.
Mr.  Kennedy stated  thata  large  portion of thefunds  would
be  usedfor  the  transportation  museumin  Anchorage which
)
had  burnedin  a  fire  last  year.  He  stated  thereweretwo
possible sitesfor  the  new  transportation  museum,onenear
Earthquake Park(whichhe  felt  was  a  dangerous area  due  to
earthquake)  and  approximately  five  acresnear  the  Bicenten-
nialPark  area. Therewas  discussion pertaining to  site
acquisition  and  type  of  museum,i.e."museumof  science"
or  "science of man"which  wouldencompass the  transportation
museumas  wellas otherrelatedcollections.Mr.  Kennedy
alsodiscu~sed the  apallingsecurity situation  which prevails
at  the  present time  in  the  museumin  Anchorage and  stateda
new  wingon  that  buildingwouldrelievethesecurity  problem.
He  said  thatwhen  the  newstudentcenterat  Fairbankswas
completed, the  museumwouldbe  able  to  use  the  oldstudent
center  building  to  house  thecollection that  is  scattered
throughout thecampusat  the present time.
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(
SenatorThomas asked  Mr.Kennedyif  he  and  hisstaff  had
talkedto  the  Finance Committee aboutthis  billand  Mr.
Kennedy said  they  hadnot  as  yet,  though they  planned to
do  so. SenatorThomaspointedoutthat  thebill  would
go  to  Financewhenit  left  the  H.R.S.S. Committee.
Aftera briefdiscussion,  SenatorHarris movedthat  SB  284
be  movedout  of  committee wit~ aHdo  pass"recommendation.
Therewas  no  objection.
  CSHB429am SenatorThomasaskedthe  committee toconsiderCSHB429am
and  askedRep.Chanceto  commenton  the  bill. Mrs.Chance
statedshe  hadintroduced the  bill  asthe  resultof  com-
)  plaints from  constituents  who  had  goneout  to  dinner at a
restaurant whereno  toiletfacilities  were  provided for  the
public.  Afterreceiving the  complaint she  checked with
Legislative  Affairsand  wastold  the  present law  requires
toiletfacilities  for  employees, but  notthe  public.  Mrs."
Chancesaidthe  bill  wasoriginally  drafted  toapply  only
to  restaurants  and  bars;  however, theDivisionof  Environ-
mentalHealthrequested thatthe  bill  beexpandedto  cover-
all  public facilities.  The  HouseB.E.S.S. Committee had
incorporated  the  proposed amendments  into  a  Committee Sub~
stitute, and  then  CSHB429  wasamendedon  the  floorto
include the  wordingconcerning  toiletfacilities  "where
practical y  "  reSUlting in  the  bill  nowbeingconsidered by
SenateH.E.S.S. Rep.  Chancesaidsome  questions wereraised
on  theHouse  floorconcerning whether this  wouldbe  applicable
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  to  a  ~mall  qarnival-type  operation  in  the  parking  lot  of
  a shopping  center, andothersimilar typeoperations,and
  it  was  determinedthatan  operation  of  thissort  would have
  toilet facilities  within the  shopping  center that  would be·
  available  to  the  public  (underthisbill) so  thatthere
 would not  bea  requirementfor  thecarnival or  pony-ride
  typeoperation  to  furnish separate  facilities. Mrs.Ch ance
  statedtherural areassupported  the  bill  during  debate in
  the  House, andthatthe  oneswhoexpressed  concern werethose
 whowereinterestedin  snowmobilingand  motorcycling--they
"_...-
 hadrequested"wherepractical"  be"insertedin  thebill.
  Rep.Chance saida question  hadcome  upconcerning  a  fiscal
 note and  whatfinancial  impact therewould be  and  Mr.Morley
) of  the  Division  of  Environmental Healthhadexplained  there
 would be  nofiscalimpact sincetheywereroutinely  inspecting
  employee-required  toilet facilities  anyway.She  stated  Mr.
 Morley wason  hisway  tothe  meeting andwouldbeavailable
  for  questions  shortly.
  Senator Harris askedMrs.Chance if  it was necessary  to  have
  in  the  billthattheDepartment  ofHealth&  Social Services
 promulgateregulationsregarding  thesefacilities,~nd Mrs.
  Chanceexplained  that someone had  to  enforce  the  requirements
  and  determine  whether thefacilities  werenecessary  in  certain
  cases.
 Mr.Morley cameintothe  meeting  and  whenasked aboutthe
  fiscal impact, stated thatsincethejmakeroutine inspections
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of  toilet facilities. which  are  requiredby1aw  for  employees,
therewouldnot  be  any  additional  financial impactas  they
wouldsimplyinspect the  publicfacilities  at  the  same  time
as  theyinspectthe  employee facilities.Senator Croft
askedMr.  Morley if  he wouldsupplya  written statement to
thecommittee stating  there would  be  nofiscalimpactto  the
bill,and  Mr.  Morley agreedto  do  so.
 Senator  CroftmovedthatCSHB  429ambe  passed out  of  committee
witha  "do  pass"  recommendation.  There  wereno  objections.
Meeting adjourned at  9:35  a.m.
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 HEALTH,EDUCATION &  SDCIAL  SERVICES COMMITTEE MEETING
 April  II,1974
9:00a.m.
 PRESENT: Sena~ors  Thomas,  Harris,Croft  &  Hensley.  Also  present
 was  Commissioner  McGinnisand  Mr.  McCabefromthe  Depart-
 ~ent ofHealth&  SocialServices.
 SB  282  SenatorThomasaskedthe  committee to consider SB  282,
 and  expressed his  concernover  the  position paperthe
 committee had  receivedfromMr.  Jerry  Madden, Office  of
 Comprehensive  HealthPlanning.  Mr.  McGinnisstatedthat
 eventhough  he  had  signedthis  paper,witha qualifying
)
 statement, that  normally a position paperof thistype
 wouldnot  be  circulated--that  it wasthe  viewof Mr.
 Maddenand  the  Commissioner  did  not  concurwith  it.
 SenatorThomasaskedthe  Commissioner to  commenton  the
 bill.
 Commissioner  McGinnispointedout  thatthis  bill  provides
 a  total  amountfor  tenfacilities--it is  not  brokendown
 by  dollaramountsp~r facility  within  the  bill--and due  to
 the  lag  timefrom  .planning  and  designing to  actualconstruc-
 tion,that  costsescalateand  it wouldprobably be  necessary
 to  make  adjustments  in plansfor  the  facilities to  bring
 themwithinthe  dollaramountsavailable.  He  also  pointed
  out  that  all  bond  billsincludethe  statement providingthat
  the  use  of  all  proceedsof  bonds  shall  bedetermined by  the
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  Governor, so'  that wou.ld be  a  furtherrefinement  in deter-
  minationat  thattime. The  Commissioner  stated  the
  Department felt  theseprojects to be  reasonable,  even
  thoughthere  had  beenconsiderable  criticism concerning
  the  fundsfor  Alcantra.  The  Commissioner  gave  lengthy
  testimony concerningAlcantra, pointing out  thathe  could
  not  envisionanytime in the  nearfuturewhenAlcantra,or
  similarStateinstitution, wouldnot  be  neededbecause
  childrenplacedin  privateinstitutions  could  bekickedout,
  or notacceptedat  all,  whereas Alcantrawasfully  responsible
  for  the  children.  He  stated  hehad  pst  received figures
  which  indicated thateighteenchildren presently in  the
  Alcantrafacility  had had  55  previousplacements  and  asked
) if  Alcantra  wereto  be  phasedout,  wherewouldthesechildren
  go  since  therewas  no  whereelse  for  themto  go but  Alcantra?
  The  Commissioner alsopointedout  thatin  some  of  tne  private
  institutions he  had  received evidenceof  physical abuse.
  He  statedthat  placement could  be  ordered at  Alcantra,but
  not  at  a private institution--they  werefree  of  responsibility
  and  couldrefuse  admittance  if  they  so  desired.There  was
  continued discussion concerning the  facility and whether
  additional fundsshould  be  spentfor  additional capital
  improvements in  the  eventit  shouldbe  decidedin  the  near
  futureto phaseout  Alcantra.SenatorHensleypointedout
  that  if  the  Statewere  responslliblefor  the  children, he
  would  rathersee  themin  facilities closerto  their  own
 )
  communities, as  he  felt  rehabilitationwould  be  moreeffective
  in  their  own  environment.The  Commissioner  statedthatthe
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Department was  responsible  for  about2,000childrenat  the
presenttime--that  most  of  theseare  in  fostercare  homes
neartheir  own,but  questioned whatcould  be  done  withthose
who  couldnot  be  placedin  this  typesituation--some  pro-
visionhad  to  be  madefor  these  children and  at  the  present
time  Alcantra was  theonly  facility that  wouldassumefull
responsibility. He  furtherstated  that if  there  was  a
different solution for,dealing with  thesechildren that
wouldprovideresponsibilityand  care,  thenhe  would  be
willingto  go  alongwith  it,  but  he  knewof  no  better
solution.  Afterfurtherdiscussion,  it wasagreedto  defer
discussion of  Alcantra untilthe  committeereviewed some  of
the  testimony.
)
Therewas  then  discussion  of the  APIfacilityin  Anchorage,
the  Ketchikan jailand  other  jailfacilities throughout the
State.  SenatorCroftasked  if  $480,000 would  be  .enough  to
provide a suitable facilityfor  thecriminally insane,and
the  Commissioner  stated  theyhadbeen  toldit wouldtake
about$680,000 to renovate the  wingfor  that  purpose.  He
alsostatedthat  the  jailfacilities throughout the  State
weredeplorable and  stated  thata  greatamountof money
was  goingto  have  to  be  spentin  the  futureto  improvethese
failities.There  wasa briefdiscussion concerning some  of
the  otherfacilities listedin  the  bill,and  thenSenator
Croftstated  hewouldlike  to  deferconsideration of  the
billfor  a coupleof  daysuntil  thecommitteehad  timeto
go  oversome  of  the  testimony.  Therewas  no  objection.
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SB 359  Senator Thomas  asked the  committee  to consider  SB 359  and
  asked Mr. McCabe  if  h~ would like  to comment  on the bill.
 Mr.  MGCabe  stated the bill  would  require insurance  companies
  in the State  to provide  insurance  coverage  for newborris,
  since this was  not a requirementat the present  time.He
  stated some  insurance companies  already  provide  this  coverage.
 Mr.  McCabe  stated  he supported the  bill and  that the' insurance
 could  be  ,provided for low cost, and  that the  incidence  of use
 was  not very  high, but when  p~oblems occur  they  can run  as
 high  as $20  to $25,000.He cited  some costs  which Blue  Cross
 of  California  had provided  to a Doctor  in California  in  1962
 which  showed  a premium  increase of  twenty-five  cents.Even
 though  the  figure was out  of date,  he felt this  would be  a
) "ball  park" figure to give  the committee  some  indication  of
  the low cost  of increase  in premium.He stated  the Committee
 might  want to  talk to the  Director  of Insurance,  wh~m he
 knew  had some  opinions  on the bill.He suggested  the  committee
  consider the bill  carefully  as it  could provide  benefits  for
  low cost.Senator Thomas  said the  committee would  like  to
  get testimony  also from  Blue Cross,  and that  further testimony
  should be deferred  until  that time.There was  no objection.'
CPC At  this time  several members  of the  Citizens Participation
 Conference  Education  Committee  came  in to discuss  problems
 of  rural education  with  the committee.
) Senator Thomas  made 'necessary introductions  and  asked Mr.
 John  Monfor,  Chairman of  the Education  Committee,  if  he
 WOuld  like  to ask questions  or give  testimony.Mr. Monfor
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 stated  the  conference delegateswere concernedwiththe
;
 )
problemof  local tontrol  ofeducationandasked what had
been done to  provide  local control  andwhat wasthestatus
 of  anysuch legislation.
Both SenatorsThomas andHensley  explainedwhat legislation'
hadbeen drafted  andthecurrent  status  ofthebills, and
~xplained theresultingeffect if  the legislation  was  passed.
 (i.e.primarily therural edu'cation  package,SB  495thru 500)
Mr.Monfor  stated  another  concern  wasspecial  or  basic
 training  fornative  students  andexplained there wasa
problem  when native  students  went intothe urban areas
 )  forschooling--thattheywere having trouble  with basic
mathematics  andreading,  etc.  After a  brief  discussion
ofthisproblemSenator  Thomas asked Mr.Monfor  whathe
 thought  about theboarding  home program  andMr.Monfor
repliedtheywould rather  haveschools  inthevillagesso
 it  would notbe  necessary forthechildren  toleave their
homes.
Mr.Monfor  stated  another  problem  with students  wasthat
 therewere no  nativ~ counselors  andtheywould notgoto
 a non-native coun~elor.  Hewondered  if  the State  might·
relax their requirements  oncounselorssothatthere could
besomenative  counselors in  theschools. There wasa
)
brief discussion of  this problem.
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 Mr.  Wal~Fr~nk, member of  the Education  Committee  of  CPC
  from Angoon,  talked  briefly  about  the need 'for teachers'
  aides.  He  felt teachers'aides were  an asset  to the
  schools.Senator  Thomas  stated  he had heard  that after
  they were  trained  as teachers;  they  left  and obtained
 better  teaching  jobs  elsewhere.Mr.  Frank  said he  felt
  this might  be true  of the  tBachers  corps, because  many  of
  them were  Caucasian,  but the  ones he  was speaking  of  were
  the Native  teachers  aides,  and he  felt they were  more
  concerned  with the  children  and stayed  in the  villages
  and small  towns and  did not  leave.
 Mrs.  Fannie  NelLigan,  member  of the  committee  from Klawock,
) stated they  had for  the past  few years  been  trying to  get
  the Commissionerof Education"or an official  from that
  Department,  to come  to Klawock  to discuss  the  problems
 with  them,  but they  had not  been able  to do  so.  She  stated
  they were  always  short of  funds for  teachers  aides and  she
  felt they  were very.much  needed.Mrs.  Nelligan  informed
  the committee  they  have about  80 students  and  they are
 just  completing  a much  needed  multi-purpose  room.She  said
  the students  have been  using  the gym  at the Craig  school,
 which  is  about six  or seven  miles away,  and there  hatte been
 problemsin the past  driving  back and  forth,  i.e. storms,
 mechanicaltroubles  with bus,  etc.She stated  tney were
  asking for  a regional  school  near Klawock,  or  if  that was
  not possible,  they  would  like to. have the present  Klawock
  school, which  is  almost a  new school,  adde~ onto--possibly
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  adding  a  second floor, astheyneeded more space.  Shesaid
  they havea  popuiationnowof  about 250people,  andmoreare
  moving  in  allthetime.  Shestated  both  Cra~g andKlawock
  would be  needing  a  high school bef6re toolong.  Shealso
saidshe  would like to  seemoremoney given to  Craig fortheir
  hotlunch program,  toimprove both quality  and  quantity  of
  thefood, asthe  Craig school  supplies  hotlunches-forthe
  . t
  Klawock  school.
  Mr.LeeStalker  of  Kotzebueaskedwhat thestatus  was  of
  HB 728  andHB  731.  Senator  Thomas informed  Mr.Stalker
thatbothof  these bills  were  intheHouseH.E.S.S.Committee.
) After a  brief general  discussionconcerningthese problems
Senator Thomas thanked  theEducationCommitteefor  appearing
  before  theH.E.S.S.  Committee.
  Meeting  adjournedat10:30a.m.
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HEALTH, EDUCATION & SOCIALSERVICES COMMITTEEMEETING
April12,  1974
 9:00a.m.
  PRESENT:  Senators Thomas,Harris, Croft  &  Hensley.  Also  present
to  testify  were Mr.  RobertCooksey, NEA-Alaska, and  Dr.
Marshall Lind,  Commiss~oner,  Department  of  Education.
  HB  573·  Senator Thomascalledthe  meetingto  orderand  askedthe
committee to  consider HB  573,  and  askedDr.  Lind  for  his
comments on  the  bill. Dr.  Lindstated  thatthe  Department
supported the  bill  because it would allow  the  Department
to  granta transfer of  accumulated sickleave  of  a  teacher
)
who  transferred  from  a  district  into employment with  the
Department.He  explaine~ at  the  presenttim~ the salaries
between a district  and the  Department werecompa~able,  but
thatsick  leavecouldnot  be  transferred, so  if  this  bill
passed, a teacherwouldnot  losea benefitbycoming  to
workfor  the  Department.He  furtherexplained that  if  a
transfer  was presently made  between districts, there  is  no
lossof  sick  leave--that occursonlywhen  transferring  from
a  district  tothe  Department  and  this  bill  willrectify
thatinequity.  Aftera briefdiscussion it  was  movedthat
HB  573  be  passedout  of  committee with  a  "do  pass"recommen-
dation.  There  wasno  objection.
  GENERALTherewas  thena generaldiscussion  of billsrelative to
education thatare  presently  'inother  committees,  or  in
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 the House,  that Dr.  Lind felt  were of  importance  and  should
be  passed prior  to  adjournment  of the  session.Senator
 Thomas suggested  that  Dr. Lind  speak  to the  various chairmen
 of these  committees  concerning  the bills. (Those mentioned
were:Community  schools,  Special  Education,Public  School
FoundationProgram,  and SCR  30.)
  HB796am Senator Thomas  asked  the committee  to  consider  HB 796am,
 and asked  what the  committee  recommended  be done  with  this
bill  to restore  the  original  intent?He read  a portion  of
 a memorandum  from Mr.  Elliott,  pertaining  to  the necessity
 of a 2/3 vote  6f the  membership  to change  court  rules,  and
 there was  a brief  discussion  of the bill.Senator  Thomas
)stated  he would like  to defer  action  on this bill  until  he
 could explore  the possibilityof redrafttng  the  bill  to make
 it more meaningful. There was  no objection.
 Meeting  adjourned  at 9:30 a.m.
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HEALTH, EDUCATION  &SOCIALSERVICES  COMMITTEE  MEETING
April15, 1974
8:30 a.m.
PRESENT: Senator Thomas, Croft,Harris.& Hensley
Also present were  Stuart  Hallfrom  LegislativeAffairs
and Mr. Don Dafoe  and Charles Ferguson  from U. ofA.
CSSB  282Senator Thomascalledthe meeting toorderand informed
the committee  that  the Committee  Substitute forSB 282
had been drafted. It  was  movedandunanimously agreed
topass  CSSB 282 out of committee  with  a"dopass"
recommendation.
)  CSHB  541am Senator Thomas asked  the committee  toconsider  CSHB  541am
/
and asked  Senator Harrisif  he  would  chairthemeeting as
it wasnecessaryfor SenatorThomasto attendanother
meeting.
Mr. Hall passed out tothe committee  some  changes inthe
form  ofanamendment  to CSHB 541am,'  and explainedthat a
new Committee  Substitutecouldbedrafted toincorporate
the changes, or th'ey could  be.done byamendment.
Senator Croft  askedwhat was the purpose ofthe bill  and
Mr. Dafoe  expl'ained  that it would  replace ths old  Community
College Act which  did not actually  definea  community
co l.lege. He stated  they  had been  working onthis  bill  for
about  two yearsand felt  it wasa  greatimprovement.He
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 further  explained  the new  bill  makes distinctions  between
 the community  colleges  and  extension  centers  in low populated
 areas.
 Senator  Croft asked  if  the establishment  of  a community
 college  at the present  time  was determined  by  the Board  of
 Regents  and Mr.  Dafoe answered  that  presently  there has  to
 be 'an application  from a  local community  and  they must  have
 75 high  school  students.Mr. Dafoe  stated  that the new  bill
 would  broaden the  method  for establishing  community  colleges
 and also  pointed  out that  the bill  would clarify  and  simplify
 the budgeting  process.He  explained  that at  the present  time
 the local  government,  as well  as the  community  college,  had
)to keep  separate  books and  separate  budgets,  whereas under
 the new  bill  they would not.He said  the communitiescan
 provide  funds  for certain  programs  (under the  new bill)-,
 however,  the primary  funding  would be  borne by  the State.
 Mr. Hall  pointed  out that  the local  governments  that do
 contribute  funds  for certain  programs  would be  allowed  to
 audit,  but all  funds will  be kept within  the  college books.
 He said  in the past  when monies  had  gone into  the local
 governments'  general  funds,  then the  colleges  had difficulty
 in obtaining  the  funds to pay  for the  cost of  the course  or
 supplies,  and that  the dual  bookkeeping  had been  a problem.
 Senator  Croft asked  what the  local municipalitiesthought
 about  the bill and  Mr. Dafoe  stated  that as  far as he knew
 they were'in  favor  of it.He st~ted they  had  also worked
 ~ith local  school  superintendents  and  they also  seemed to  be
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in  favor  of  the  bill~ He  statedthey  werepleasedwith  the
provision enablingoptional fundingfor  certain  programs  they
are  interest~d in.Mr.  Dafoesaidthe  bill  still provides
for  grouputilization of fucilities, which  he  thoughtwas
very  important becausefacilities shouldbe  utilized  byboth
collegesand  schools since  theywere  Statefunded. Mr.  Dafoe
statedthere  had  beena highdegreeof  cooperation in  develop-
ing  the  legislation.
Mr.  Ferguson stated  he  feltit wasa combination of  a  number
of yearsof  work  withmany  peopleand  everyone seemedto
stronglysupport it.He  felt  it would greatlyimprovethe
overalladministration.
)
SenatorHarrisexpressed concernwith  thesection  beginning
on  line  15,  page2, as  to  who  wouldbe  able  to  requ~st a
community college. Mr.  Dafoeexplained that  partof this
section  wascarriedoverfrom  the  presentlaw,and  this  was
intendedto  providedefinite ways  to  go  aboutobtaininga
community college. Mr.  Hallstatedthis  section  basically
set  out  the  procedures to  be  followedin  establishing  a
community college.
There  wasconsiderable discussion concerning thissection,
and  SenatorsHarris, Croft  and  Hensley expressedconcern
that  unlessthe  Boardof  Regentswanteda community college
)  in  an  area,  thatth~re would be  no wayone  could  be  established,
becauseevenif  the community madea feasibility studyit
would  haveto  be  approvedby  the  Boardof Regents.  It  was
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 also  pointed  out thatsmallercommunities  mightnot  beable
tofund  a  feasibility  study. Senator Croftaskedif  there
hadbeen  a  community college established  thatthe  Boardof
Regents did  notfeel  wasdesirable, and  Mr.Dafoestated
 that  several yearsago  SitkaCommunity College had  been
 createdsimplyby  putting an  amountin  the  budget, and  then
thesanction of  the  Boardof  Regentshadto  be  obtained,
 and  he  felt  it was a poorway  to  establish  a college.  He
 also  stated  that in  the  pastthe  Regents had  beenreluctant
to  provide for  new  programs whenexisting  programswere
having problems, and  thatwas  why  a  feasibility  studywas
 important.
)SenatorCroftstated  hefeltthe  billinsulated the  Board
of  Regents from  political  pressure, but  didprovidethrough
 the  Advisory Boardsome  response fromth~  community;Mr.
Dafoe stated  hefelt  it  gavethe  Legislature  a  better  basis
 for  instituting  a community  college--througha  feasibility
 study  rather than  pressure or  emotion.SenatorCroftpointed
outthat  he  didnot  feel  therehadbeenany  dissatisfaction
 in thepast  within the  Legislature  to  expansion or  establish-
mentof  college facilities, butpossibly dissatisfactionthat
 there  hadnot  beenenoughexpansion or  establishmentof
 facilities.SenatorCroftstated  he felt  thisbill  provided
 two  typesof  vetoesby  the  Boardof  Regents for  establishing
 a community college.
) .
After furtherdiscussion,  it wasdecided to  deferactionon
 the  bill. Meetingadjourned  at  9:40  a.m.
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 HEALTH,  EDUCATION  & SOCIAL  SERVICES  COMMITTEE  MEETING
April  16, 1974
  9:00  a.m.
 PRESENT:Senators  Thomas,  Croft &  Harris.  Also  present  were Dr.
  -Dafoe  from U. of  A., and  Stuart Hall  from Legislative
Affairs
 CSHB  54lam Senator  Thomas  called the  meeting  to order  and asked the
 committee  to consider  CSHB  54lam.
 Dr.  Dafoe stated  he would  like to  explain something  that
 he  did not express  in his  testimony  on the bill  yesterday.
 He  stated that  the bill  was not a proponentof the Univer-
 sity  of Alaska  Board of  Regents, but  had come  out of the
)Interim  Committee  on Higher  Education,  and had  been two
 years  in the making.He  said that  Committee's  reports
 had  consistently  pointdout  the problems· within  the
 pr~sent law,  and particularly  the problems  of  financing,
 concerning  community  colleges.Mr.  Dafoe explained  that
 this  bill could  consolidate  the financing,  but  still  allow
 local  municipalities  a process  for  funding programs  of
 intBrest  to them.He felt  the bill  would provide  for more
 local  involvement  in the  planning  stages and  feasibility
 study,  and that  the bill  is more  specific in  terms of the
 community  advisory  committee  being  involved  in local plan-
 ning  and budgeting.Mr.  Dafoe further  stated  that under
 the  present Act,  the Legislaturecannot establish  a community
  college--they  can appropriate  funds  for one,  but that  there
  still must be  local  community  involvement,  and he reiterated
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  his feelings  of the  importance  of planningand completion
  of a feasibilitystudy.
  Senator  Croft expressed  his  concern  over who  could initiate
  the feasibility  study;  expreased  concern  that  there was  no
  reference  in the bill  to the  purpose  of expanding  higher
  education  throughout  the State;  and  concern that  in the
 past  the  emphasis  for establishingcommunity  colleges  has
  not been  from the  Board of  Regents, but  from  the Legislature~
  and this bill  would  leave it  up to the  Board  of Regents.
  Dr. Dafoe  replied  he did not  feel that  was a  correct  state-
 ment  and  cited as  examples  the community  colleges  at Kodiak
  and Tanana.He also  stated  that they  hoped to  expand  in
) Fort Yukon  and Barrow,  and  are trying  to work  with the  local
 people  to  expand programs  throughoutthat area.
  Senator Croft  stated  he felt  the major  emphasis  in the
 past  has been  from  the"Legislature  and  he felt  this bill
 would  remove  powers  of the  Legislature  insofar  as community
  college  funding for  expansion  of colleges  was  concerned,
  since the  bill specificallysays that  no funds  will be
  appropriated  by the  Legislature  prior  to a feasibility
  study being  completed.He  also pointed  out that  he did
 not  find  any reference  in the  bill to  any obligat~on of
  the Board  of  'Regents to expansion of  colleges.
 Mr.  Dafoe  stated  his reply was  simply  that the  attitude  of
  the Board  of Regents  toward  community  colJege  expansion  had
  changed  considerably.
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  Senator Tho,mas suggested  that the  committee  insert  wording
  to the effect  that the  Legislature  could ~nitiate  a feasi-
 bility  study.There was  considerable  discussion  concerning
  the appropriate  wording  and placement  within  the bill.
  Senator Thomas  requested  Mr  ..Hall to draft appropriate
 wording  and  submit it  to the committee  for  their considera-
  tion.
 Mr.  Dafoe pointed  out  that the Legislaturecould pass  a
  Resolution  directing that  a feasibility  study  be made  if
  there was  an area of  concern in  the future.
  There was  then discussion  concerning  the proposed  amendments
  distributed  to each member  by Stuart  Hall.Mr. Hall  ex-
)plained  that  most of the  amendments  were of  a technical
 nature,  except  for the  three dealing  with page  3, lines  18
  and 29.  He  explained he  had drafted  these propqsed  amend-
 ments  to possibly  alleviate  some  of the concern  of the
  committee members.He  stated  when a decision  was reached
 by  the committee  as to  what changes  should be  made, that
 he  felt a  Committee Substitute  ~hould be  drafted  rather  than
 make  the changes  by amendment.
  There was then  a brief  discussion  concerning  the allocation
  of funding  to the Department  of Education,  or  directly  to
  colleges,  and Mr. Dafoe  stated that  Commissioner  Lind  felt
  the funding  should  be directly to  the community  colleges
  and be a part  of their  budgets rather  than  through the
  Department  of Education.He stated  the CommiSsionerhad
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 indicatedhe  wanted  funding forpilot  programs,  butdid
~
)
 notfeelit  was necessary  tohavefunding  "for  thecolleges
 comethrough  hisDepartment.  Mr.Dafoe stated that the
 funding  would be  allocatedby  thesame formula used at  the
 present  time.
 Meeting  adjournedat  9:45a.m.
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 HEALTH,  EDUCATION  & $OCIAL  SERVICES  COMMITTEEMEETING
April  17,  1974
 9:00 a.m.
  PRESENT:Senators  Thomas,  Croft  & Hensley.Also  present  was Mr.
 Stuart  Hall from  Legislative  Affairs
  CSHB Senator  Thomas  called  the meeting  to order  and  asked Mr.
  541am
 Hall  to explain  changes  in the  new draft  of a  Committee
 Substitute  for  CSHB 54lam.Mr.  Hall  stated  he had tried
 to include  language  in  this new  draft  of the bill  that
 wouid  incorporate  some  of thff-thoughts  expressed  in the
 meeting  yesterday  in regard  to  expanding  the higher
 education  concept  throughout  the  State.He pointed  out
)new wording  on  page  1, lines  15 and  16, and said  he was
 not particularlyhappy  with that  wording,  but  had not
 been  able to  come up with  improved  language  in  the short
 time  he had had  to work  on it.He referred  to  page 2,
 line  19, which  provided  for inclusionOI the Legislature
 in the  listing  of who might  propose  establishmentof a
 community  college  or  extension  center.Mr. Hall  stated
 the languageconcerning  funding  by the  Legislature  had
 been  removed  in thi~  draft, but  that the  requirementfor
 a feasibilitystu~y to  be approved  by  the Board  of Regents
 had been  left  in because  he felt  that was  one  of their
 Constitutionalpowers.
 Senator  Thomas  asked Mr.  Hall who  pays  for the  feasibility
 study  and Mr.  Hall replied  it  was paid  for by  the proponent
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 who contracts  for  the study.Mr. Hall  then  referred to
 page 3,  section  (f),  -and said he had simplified  the section
 by deleting  references  to  other sectiom in  the  bill that
 he felt  were unnecessary_ Mr. Hall  stated  he had also
 incorporated  all  other technical  amendments  which  had been
 submitted  to the  committee  during the  meeting  yesterday,
 and also  had clarified  the wording  pertainingto existing
 .colleges, beginning  on line  27, page  8.
 After a  brief discussion  of  the draft,  Senator  Thomas  said
 he would  like to  see the committee  take  action  on the bill.
 Senator  Croft stated  he would  like to  review  the bill--that
 the eliminationof  the section regarding  funding  had been
 helpful,  and he  did not object  to the  feasibility  study
)since he  felt that  might be  helpful  in expanding  community
 colleges--but  he would  like  to study  the bill  overnight,
 and would  be ready  to act on  it  by tomorrow morning.Mr.
 Hall stated  he would  like to  have Senator  Croft's  advice  on
 the new  language  on page  1, and Senator  Croft  said that was
 one of  the things  he wanted  to study.
 without  objection  it  was agreed to defer  action  on CSHB  541am
 until the  following  morning.
  HB 796amSenator  Thomas stated  this bill  had  a further  referral to
 the Judiciary  Committee  and  he would  like to pass  the bill
 out of  the HESS Committee. Senator  Croft stated  he would
 agree to  the Chairman's  request,  .but he ~as not  in agreement
 with the  bill.  Without  objection,it was agreed  to pass
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 HB  796am out  of committee  with  individual  recommendations
  since it had  further  referral to  the Judiciary  Committee.
SJR 65  Senator Thomas  asked  the committee  to consider  SJR  65,
 relating  to  the quality  of day  care ~rograms.Senator
 Croft  stated  this had  been requested  by the  CPC and  moved
 that  SJR 65  be passed  out of Committee  with  a "do pass"
 recommendation. There  was no objection.
SJR 67  Senator Thomas  asked  the committee  to consider  SJR  67,
 relating  to  the Governor's  Committee  on Education,and
 request  for  a study.He asked the  Committee  Staff  Assis-
 tant  for comments  on  the Resolution.Mr.  Hacker reminded
)the  members  that on March  7 they  had passed  out SCR  36
 asking  for  a study of  the public  school foundation  program,
 as  does SJR  67.  Mr. Hacker  pointed  out that  SCR 36  asks
 the  Department  of Education  to  contract  with CNER to.  do
 the  study  and auth~rizes expenditureof  $20,000 for  the
 contract;  whereas,  SJR  67 asks the  Governor  to order  a
 study  be made  by the Departmentof Education  with SOS  and
 BIA.Mr. Hacker  pointed  that SCR  36 refers  to the decentra-
 lization  of  SOS and 'that SJR 67  requests SOS  be involved
 -in the study.Mr. Hacker  wonder  if  it might be possible
 to  amendSCR36 to expand  the study.After  a brief  dis-
 cussion,  Senator  Thomas  suggested  action should  be deferred
 on  the Resolution  until  the Department  of Educationcould
 be  cdntacted  to obtain  their views  and comments.There  was
 no  objection.
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HJR  81  Senator  Thomas  asked "the  committee  to  considerHJR 81,
amending  the  Social  Security  Act. Senator  Hensley  asked
if  the Conferencereferred  to  in the  Resolutionwas  still
in session  and  was  told  that it  was.After  a brief  dis-
cussion,  it was  unanimouslyagreed  to  pass  HJR  81 out  of
committee  with  a  lido pass" recommendation.
Me~ting adjourned at 9:45  a.m.
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 HEALTH,  EDUCATION  & SOCIAL  SERVICES  COMMITTEE  MEETING
April  20, 1974
  9:00  a.m.
  PRESENT:Senators  Thomas, Croft,  Sackett  & Harris.Also  present  to
 testify  were Commissioner  McGinnisand Deputy  Commissioner
 McClain  of the Departmentof Health  & Social  Services,  and
 Representative  Genie  Chance
  HB 646  Senator  Thomas called  the meeting  to  order and  asked the
 Committee  to consider  HB 646.Commissioner  McGinnis  stated
 at the present  time  the court  makes  the decision  on the
 placement  of a delinquent  minor  and he  felt this  decision
 of placement  should  be made  by the Department. He explained
 that the  Department  contracted  for  child care  services  and
)these contracts  had  to be budgeted;however,  the court has
 in many  instances  in the past  ruled  that a delinquent  minor
 be sent  to an agency  or home  outside  the State,  or ones  inside
 the State,  with which  the Departmentdid not have  contracts,
 or to homes  that had  not been  licensed,  and this  created
 serious problems  within  the  Department,  especially  in their
 budgetary  process.  "Mr. McGinnis  further  stated  he felt  the
 Department  was better  able  to choose  the facility  for a
 delinquent,  and this  was done  by a  classification  committee
 who took  into considerationthe background  of  the minor  and
 specific  problems.There was  considerable  discussion  con-
 cerning  this section  of the  bill and  the Commissioner  cited
 several  examples  to the committee  where  the court's  decision
 to place  a child  in an unlicensed  home  or outside  the State
 had created  severe  problems  within  the Department.
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 Senator  Thomas askedtheCommissioner aboutthechange of
 wording  on  lines '21 and22  pertainingto  therelease of  the
 delinquent,i.e. thatrelease could be  approved  by  the
 Department.  Mr.  McGinnisstatedthis was  inthe  present
 lawandhad  merely beenrepeated  inthisbill.
 There wasthendiscussionconcerning  thechange of  wording
 from "wardof  thecourt" to"wardof  theState" andSenator
 Thomas referred  to  a  letter fromtheAttorney  General's
 Office which stated  this  change wasforclarification  pur-
 poses since "wardof  thecourt" is  notdefined  in  the
 Statutes,  but·"ward  oftheState" is  so  defined.
)There wasthenconsiderablediscussionconcerningthe  change
 \'
 on  page 2,  line5  which states a minor maybe  afforded  the
 h ~
 opportunitytobe  present rather than a minor neednotbe
II
 present. CommissionerMcGinnis  stated  he didnotknowwho
 hadrequested  this change; thathe  could seetheremightbe
 those occasions  whendiscussionsconcerninga  minor should
 notbe  heldinthe  presence  ofthat  minorjbut thathealso
 feltthere weretimes whendecisions  werebeing madethat
 would affect the  minor's  lifethattheminor shouldbe
 present. Senator Harris stated  he didnotfeela  minor
 should be  present  during these discussionsor  decisions
 because  it  mightbeharmful andhinder rehabilita~ion possi-
 bilities  forthe  minor. After further discussionCommissioner
 McG~nnis  stated theDepartment  would rather thelanguage
 inthe  original  bill (Neednotbe  present).beretained.
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Senator Harrismovedthatthe  committee strikethelanguage
on  line5,  page  2,  andrevertto  the  original language.
The  votewas  twofor  and  twoagainst, and  so  the  motion
failed. SenatorHarrisstated  hewouldliketo  talkto
someone in  the  courtsystembefore furtherconsideration
of  the  bill.  SenatorThomas stated  hewoulddelayfurther
considerationuntil2:00  p.m.thisafternoon.
Commissioner  McGinnis askedtheCommittee to  consider that
thelegislation  had  for  the  pastthreeyearsmade  its  way
through the  Legislature  to  thiscommittee and  thenwas
stopped .. He furt~er stated  that if  the  legislation  did
not  pass,hefelt  the  funding for  placement of  minor
delinquents  shouldbe  in  theCourtsystem  budget rather
thanin  the  Department  of  Health&  SocialServicesbudget.
He  did  notfeel  it was rightfor  the  courtto  makethe
determinationsfor  placement  and  the  Department be  r~sponsi-
blefor  the  funding for  theseplacements without any  adjust-
mentspossible to  their  budget.
Mrs.Chancestatedthattherehad  not  beenany  prob~em with
thisplacement of  minorsuntilthe  Legislature  had  passed
thelaw  lowering the  age  of  majority; andat thetime  when
t hat  I a w . was pas sed an d cha."i'}j e s we rem a d e in ex is tin g law s  1
therewas  confusion  createdin  thisdetermination  of  place-
menta Priorto  thattime  theDepartment had  jurisdiction
overthe  placement of  minordelinquents.
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)HB 774 SenatorThomas askedthecommittee  to  consider HB  774
 7'~
 concerning  physical  therapists. He  askedCommissioner
 McGinnis  if  he  hadany  comments  to  makeon  the  billand
 Deputy CommissionerMcClain passed out  a  position paper
 fromtheDepartment  concerning  thebill  which was  made
 bythe  Public HealthDivision.Mr.  ·McClain stated that
 there  was onetechnical  changetheywoul~ like  madSon
 page2,  line 17,  subparagraph(3)  --  theywould like  to
 delete "fromtheprofessionalexamination  service of  the
 American  PublicHealth Association"andreplacewith
  "prepared by  theProfessionalExamination  Service."He
 explained  thatthischangewasto  correct a  nomenclature
 problem;  thatthis  wasa  service located in  New  Yorkthat
 /J prepares  examinationsfor  licenses.
  SenatorThomas askedif  a  fiscal notehad  beenprepared
 forthe  billandwas  toldtherewasnoneaccompaniingthe
 bill.  Senator Sackett saidhe  did  notthinkonewouldbe
 needed.Senator Thomas statedthatMrs.Beirnehadcon-
  siderable testimony  to  giveon  this"bill,  butshe  was
 unavailableat  the  present  time,and  he  would liketo  defer
  further consideratlonuntilthe  me~ting at2:00  p.m.when
  she  mightbe  available. Therewas  noo~jection.
 Meeting  adjourned at  9:50a.m.to  be  reconvenedat 2:00p.m.
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  HEALTH,  EDUCATION  & SOCIAL  SERVICES-COMMITTEE MEETING
April 22,  1974
  9:30  a.m.
  PRESENT: Senators  Thomas,  Harris,  Croft  & Hensley.Also  present
  to testify  were  Commissioner  Lind  and  Deputy  Commissioner
  Cole from  Departmentof Education;  Mr.  Bill Overstreet
  and Mr.  Robert  Van Houte
  CSHB592  Senator  Thomas  asked  the Committee  to  consider  CSHB  592am
 am
  and sta~ed thatthe  fiscal note  for the  amended  bill
  showed  $392,000.CommissionerLind  stated the  bill  would
) allow  school districtsto provide  programs  for  exceptional
  children  at age  three.He said  they were  not  sure how
  many  stUdents would  be  covered  by this  lowering  of age
  to three  years  (present  language  is related  to  kinder-
  garten  students  and above),  but  they had  estimated  the
  fiscal  note should  be  about $392,000. Senator  Harris
  asked how  and who  ~ade the  determinationwhether  or not
  a child  was exceptionaland the  Commissionerstated  that
  there were  various  .evaluation  procedures  that  had to be
  made,  including  a diagnosis  by  a medical  doctor  or
  psychiatrist. Senator  Harris  and Croft  expressed  concern
  about  an exceptionalstudent being  sent  out of  the State
  without  parental  approval  and was  assur~d thatthe present
  law -requires that  approval  be  obtained  not only  from  the
  school  board,  but also  the parents. The Commissione~ was
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 asked  if there  would  be any  objection  to  amending  the bill
 to add  that parentai  approvalmust be  obtained,and the
 Commissionersaid he  certainly  had no  objectionsince it
 was  already  in the  Statutes  and would  merely  be  repeated
 in this  bill.Senator  Thomas .stated  he would  request
 Stuart  Hall of  Legislative  Affairsto draft  an appropriate'
 amendment,  and  Senator  Croft  suggested  that  it be  a separate
 section  (f) on  page  3.  There  were no  objections.
 There  was then  discussion  concerningthe  instructional  units
 for  special  education  and Dr.  Cole  stated  there was  a special
 edu~ation formula, and the only  differencethey had  suggested
 be incorporatedin this  bill  would make  it  almost  three  to
 one,  which is  the nationalfigure for  special  education  pro-
 grams  (it  is now about  two to  one).
 After  further  discussion  it was  moved  that  CSHB 592am"be
 passed  out of  committee  with  a "do pass"  recommendation
 with  amendment.There  was no  objection.
  HCR 91  Senator  Thomas  asked  the committeeto consider  HCR  91.
 CommissionerLind said  the Departmentsupported  the
 Resolution. After-  a brief discussion,  it was  moved  that
 the Resolution(HCR  91) be passed  out  of committeewith a
 "do pass"  recommendation. There  was  no objection.
)1 HCR 13 Senator  Thomas  asked  the committeeto consider  HCR  13
 and  stated  Rep. Fritz  was not  able  to .come testify  on
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  this  Resolutionbut had  stated  that after  the  airline
  crash  in  Anchorage  there  were  not enough  stretchersor
  emergencyequipment  availableto provide  for  those  in-
  jured.After  a  brief discussionit  was moved  the HCR  13
  be  passed  out of  committee  with  a lido pass"  recommendation.
  There  was  no objection.
HCR  86 Senator  Thomasasked the  Committee  to  consider  HCR  86,
  relatingto a study  of  the penal  institutionsin Alaska.
  The  committee  was  in agreementthat  such a study  should
  be  made  and it was  moved  that  HCR 86 be  passed  out of
  committeewith  a "do pass"  recommendation.  There was  no
  objection.
  Meetingadjourned  at  9:55 a.m.
HB  854 NOTE:Prior  to  the 2:00  p.m.  Session,  Senator  Thom~s met
  briefly  with  Senators  Harris,Croft  & Hensley,  and it was
  agreed  to  move HB  854 out  of  committee  with  an amendment
  to  page  1, line  13, deleting"six  months" and  inserting
"90 days."
HB  774am  NOTE:After  the  4:00 p.m.  Session,Senator Thomas  met
  briefly·with  SenatorsHarris,Hensley  & Croft,  and it was
agreed to  move  HB 774am  out of  committee.SenatorsThomas
  and  Hensley  recommended"do pass"  and  Senators  Croft  and
  Harris  had  "no  recommendation."
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I
  HEALTH,  EDUCATION &  SOCIAL SERVICES  COMMITTEEMEETING
 April 23,1974
 2:45p.m.
 PRESENT:Senators  Thomas,  Harris,  Croft, Hensley  &  Sackett
  Also present  to  testify  wasRep. Genie Chance
 HCR3am  Senator Thomas  called themeeting  toorder andrequested
the  committee consider  HCR3am.  Mrs.Chance  explained
thatpresentlyallgroup homes mustbein  compliance with
firecode for  institutions,  andit  was feltthis wasan
  unnecessary restriction insomecases.Shealso explained
  that there hadbeena  number  of  letters  from firemarshalls
  )  opposingthis, butit  wasduetoa  misunderstandingof
  what wasdesired  in  theResolution.Mrs.Chance  stated
  they wanted  firecoderegulations adopted  forgroup homes;
separate  andapart fromregulations forinstitutions. She
 '"
saidat  thepresent  time, if  group  homes do  notmeet fire
codesforinstitutions,  they mustgothrough  a waiver  process
  which isquite lengthy: Shealsoexplainedthat thefire
codesforgroup homes  for  physically handicapped or"mentally
  "retarded  should bemorestringentthan forother grouphomes,
  butthat regulations should bemadeforgroup homes with
  distinctions  forvarious  types of  group homes.After some
discussionon  thematter,  Senator  Harris  moved thatthe
  Committeepass HCR3amoutof  committeewith a  lido pass"
 \
recommendation  withanamendmentto  page 2,  line I,  after
"and ll  insert "where deemed  appropriate".'llhere  wasno
objection.
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  SJR67Senator  Thomas  asked  thecommitteetoconsiderSJR 67,
 )  andstated  that he  had talked  to  CommissionerLindwho
 hadnoobjectiontothebill.It  was moved  thatthe
 committeepass SJR 67  outofcommittee with a  "dopass"
 recommendation.  There  wasnoobjection.
  CSHCR 93Senator  Thomas  asked  thecommitteetoconsiderCSHCR  93
 andread a  portion  ofa  letter  from Commissioner  McGinnis
 concerning theResolution.After  noting  that there was
 a  fiscal  note in  the amount  of  $30,000,it was  moved  that
 thecommitteep~ss CSHCR  93  out ofcommitteewith indivi-
 dual reccmmendations.There wasnoobjection.
'\.  HB 646amSenator  Thomas  requested thecommittee considerHB  646am.
)
 After a  brief  discussion ofthisbill,  Senator  Croft moved
 that a  Committee Substitute forHB  646am  be  draftedby
 Legislative  Affairs,to  includetheSenate  passed  version
 /
 ofSB310am, andthat thebill  be  passed  outofcommittee
 with a  "dopass" recommendation.There wasnoobjection.
  HB778Senator  Thomas  asked  thecommitteetoconsiderHB778and
 stated  th~Commissioner McGinnis didnot feel theDirector
 ofDivisionof  Corrections  should  replace  himonthe
 Commission.After  a brief  discussion it  was moved that an
 amendmentbepreparedtoreinstatethe Commissioner  of
 Health  &  Social  Servicesandalso addDirectorofDivision
 ofCorrections tothis Commission.Thesecretary  was
 instructed toprepar~ the amendment.It  was then moved
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thatHB778· be  passed out  ofcommittee  with a "do pass
l) withamendment" recommendation.There  was  noobjection.
Meeting  adjournedat~:15 p.m.
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