ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                 
           SENATE LABOR AND COMMERCE STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                       
                          March 4, 2024                                                                                         
                            1:32 p.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Jesse Bjorkman, Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Click Bishop, Vice Chair                                                                                                
Senator Elvi Gray-Jackson                                                                                                       
Senator Kelly Merrick                                                                                                           
Senator Forrest Dunbar                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 154                                                                                                             
"An Act relating to bidder preferences in state procurement."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 102                                                                                                             
"An  Act   relating  to  refuse   utility  rates  and   Regulatory                                                              
Commission of Alaska  regulations regarding refuse  utilities; and                                                              
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 257                                                                                                             
"An  Act  relating   to  the  Regulatory  Commission   of  Alaska;                                                              
relating  to public  utilities; relating  to electric  reliability                                                              
organizations; relating  to the Alaska Energy  Authority; relating                                                              
to the  Railbelt Transmission Organization;  and providing  for an                                                              
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 44                                                                                                              
"An  Act relating  to the  practice  of naturopathy;  establishing                                                              
the  Naturopathy  Advisory Board;  relating  to the  licensure  of                                                              
naturopaths; relating  to disciplinary sanctions  for naturopaths;                                                              
relating to  the Department of  Commerce, Community,  and Economic                                                              
Development; and providing for an effective date."                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     - BILL HEARING CANCELED                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 154                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: BIDDER PREF MILITARY CAREER SKILLS PROG                                                                            
SPONSOR(s): SENATOR(s) WIELECHOWSKI                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
05/17/23       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
05/17/23       (S)       L&C                                                                                                    
03/04/24       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 102                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: REFUSE UTILITY REGULATIONS                                                                                         
SPONSOR(s): SENATOR(s) MYERS                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
03/15/23       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/15/23       (S)       L&C                                                                                                    
03/04/24       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 257                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: ELECTRIC UTILITY REGULATION                                                                                        
SPONSOR(s): RESOURCES                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
03/01/24       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/01/24       (S)       L&C, RES, FIN                                                                                          
03/01/24       (S)       L&C WAIVED PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE,RULE                                                                  
                         23                                                                                                     
03/04/24       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB  44                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: NATUROPATHS: LICENSING; PRACTICE                                                                                   
SPONSOR(s): SENATOR(s) GIESSEL BY REQUEST                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
01/25/23       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/25/23       (S)       HSS, L&C, FIN                                                                                          
02/23/23       (S)       HSS AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
02/23/23       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/23/23       (S)       MINUTE(HSS)                                                                                            
03/07/23       (S)       HSS AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
03/07/23       (S)       Moved CSSB 44(HSS) Out of Committee                                                                    
03/07/23       (S)       MINUTE(HSS)                                                                                            
03/08/23       (S)       HSS RPT CS 1DP 4NR SAME TITLE                                                                          
03/08/23       (S)       NR: WILSON, TOBIN, KAUFMAN, DUNBAR                                                                     
03/08/23       (S)       DP: GIESSEL                                                                                            
05/15/23       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
05/15/23       (S)       -- Invited & Public Testimony --                                                                       
03/04/24       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BILL WIELECHOWSKI, District K                                                                                           
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Sponsor of SB 154.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
KALEB CALLAHAN, Intern                                                                                                          
Senator Bill Wielechowski                                                                                                       
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented SB 154 on behalf of the sponsor.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
KYLE KAISER, President                                                                                                          
VIPER Transitions                                                                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 154.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ROBERT MYERS, District Q                                                                                                
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Sponsor of SB 102.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DAWSON MANN, Staff                                                                                                              
Senator Robert Myers                                                                                                            
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented the sectional analysis for SB 102.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT DOYLE, Chair                                                                                                             
Regulatory Commission of Alaska                                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions on SB 102.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
KURT FROENING, Division Vice President                                                                                          
Alaska Waste                                                                                                                    
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 102.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR CATHY GIESSEL, District E                                                                                               
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented SB 257 as Co-Chair of the Senate                                                                
Resources Standing Committee.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
GWEN HOLDMANN, Director                                                                                                         
CEM INE Alaska Center of Energy Power                                                                                           
University of Alaska Fairbanks                                                                                                  
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Offered  the   presentation  The   Railbelt                                                            
Transmission Grid (now and future).                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
TONY IZZO, CEO                                                                                                                  
Matanuska Electric Association                                                                                                  
Palmer, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified by invitation on SB 257.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
JOHN BURNS, President and CEO                                                                                                   
Golden Valley Electric Association                                                                                              
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified by invitation on SB 257.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CURTIS THAYER, Executive Director                                                                                               
Alaska Energy Authority (AEA)                                                                                                   
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified by invitation on SB 257.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:32:41 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  JESSE  BJORKMAN  called  the   Senate  Labor  and  Commerce                                                            
Standing Committee  meeting to order  at 1:32 p.m. Present  at the                                                              
call  to  order  were  Senators  Gray-Jackson,   Dunbar,  Merrick,                                                              
Bishop, and Chair Bjorkman.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
          SB 154-BIDDER PREF MILITARY CAREER SKILLS PROG                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:33:55 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  BJORKMAN announced  the consideration  of  SENATE BILL  NO.                                                              
154,   "An  Act   relating   to   bidder  preferences   in   state                                                              
procurement."                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:34:12 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BILL WIELECHOWSKI,  District K, Alaska  State Legislature,                                                              
Juneau, Alaska,  sponsor of SB  154. He gave  a brief overview  of                                                              
SB  154. He  explained  that this  legislation  would establish  a                                                              
bidder preference  for state  contracts for  veterans and  service                                                              
members. It  does this by encouraging  businesses to  hire service                                                              
members who are  taking part in apprentice-type programs.  He said                                                              
that 43 percent  of post-9/11 veterans could not  find work within                                                              
six  months  of transitioning  from  military  service.  Veterans'                                                              
labor force participation  is around 47.7 percent,  compared to 64                                                              
percent  for non-veterans.  He added  that  the unemployment  rate                                                              
for the spouses of active-duty members is around 21 percent.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  stated that  barriers to veteran  employment                                                              
include a  lack of  transition support,  negative experience  with                                                              
support  services,  a feeling  of  completely starting  over,  and                                                              
perceived   employer/societal   stigma  and   discrimination.   He                                                              
reiterated that SB  154 would give bidder preference  to companies                                                              
who hire employees  who have taken part in training  programs that                                                              
are designed  to help  service members  find employment once  they                                                              
have completed their military service.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:36:35 PM                                                                                                                    
KALEB CALLAHAN,  Intern, Senator  Bill Wielechowski, Alaska  State                                                              
Legislature,  Juneau, Alaska, presented  SB 154  on behalf  of the                                                              
sponsor. He explained  that the intent behind this  legislation is                                                              
to close the  transition gap between military service  members who                                                              
have completed  their long military  contracts as they  transition                                                              
into the civilian  workforce. He said he considers SB  154 to be a                                                              
"supporting pipeline"  to aid exiting  service members  in finding                                                              
employment  while also  giving bonuses  to  those businesses  that                                                              
employ them.  He explained that  the programs are  DOD SkillBridge                                                              
and  Army  Career  Service (ACS)  programs,  which  are  completed                                                              
during the  last 180 days of  the servicemember's contract.  These                                                              
programs   offer  apprenticeships,   internships,   and   training                                                              
programs  that  allow the  servicemember  to  transition  directly                                                              
into a career field of their choice.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. CALLAHAN pointed  out that both ACS and SkillBridge  support a                                                              
variety  of professions  and  have locations  across  the state  -                                                              
including  locations at Fort  Richardson, Fort  Wainwright, and  a                                                              
number   of   locations   in  Anchorage   and   Fairbanks.   These                                                              
professions  range   from  those  in   the  medical   industry  to                                                              
mechanics and  heavy equipment operators.  He explained  that this                                                              
would  allow  the  skills  obtained  during  military  service  to                                                              
transfer  more  easily   to  the  civilian  workforce   -  e.g.  a                                                              
Blackhawk mechanic  could find  work in a  Ford factory;  a combat                                                              
medic  could  work  in nursing;  and  Army  construction  officers                                                              
could obtain certifications to be heavy equipment operators.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. CALLAHAN  stated that  SB 154 establishes  a 2 percent  bidder                                                              
preference;  however, the  preference  is capped  at $5  thousand,                                                              
regardless  of  bid  size.  He  opined   that  this  is  a  modest                                                              
expenditure and a  win-win scenario. He stated that  entities that                                                              
have  employed at  least  one person  enrolled  in  - or  recently                                                              
graduated from  - United  States Department  of Defense (US  DOD),                                                              
SkillBridge, or  ACS would be  eligible for bidder  preference. He                                                              
added  that  this  applies  to  both  service  members  and  their                                                              
spouses.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:39:45 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  BISHOP  asked  how  this   compares  to  the  Helmets  to                                                              
Hardhats  (H2H) program.  He  asked for  clarification  on the  $5                                                              
thousand cap  for bidder  preference and how  this would  apply to                                                              
large contracts of $1 million or more.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:40:55 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  CALLAHAN replied  that  the 2  percent  bidder preference  is                                                              
capped  at $5  thousand.  He surmised  that  the  majority of  the                                                              
contracts would  likely be  much less than  $1 million.  He stated                                                              
that  the  intent of  SB  154  is  to use  bidder  preferences  to                                                              
encourage  businesses  to  utilize  the  aforementioned  programs.                                                              
With respect to H2H,  he stated that he is not  familiar with this                                                              
program;  however,   he  said  that  it  sounds  similar   to  DOD                                                              
SkillBridge.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI clarified  that -  in contrast  to H2H -  SB                                                              
154 provides a bidder preference to companies.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BISHOP  shared his understanding  that the goal is  to get                                                              
more skilled people in the workforce.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI replied yes.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:43:11 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  CALLAHAN  noted   that  veteran  preference  is   already  in                                                              
statute; however,  statute does  not mention transitionary  bidder                                                              
preferences.  He explained  that SB  154  works as  a pipeline  by                                                              
giving  preference  for  servicemembers  to  become  veterans  and                                                              
providing  a 2 percent  bidder preference.  This would  eventually                                                              
enable businesses to  employ enough veterans to qualify  for the 5                                                              
percent bidder preference that is already in statute.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:43:53 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN asked  if a company would track how  many employees                                                              
are  within the  two-year graduation  window  from these  programs                                                              
and  submit this  information  in their  bid  packet to  determine                                                              
their eligibility for the bidder preference.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:44:20 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. CALLAHAN  replied yes. He added  that this amount  of tracking                                                              
would  be unnecessary,  as  only one  employee  would  need to  be                                                              
associated  with one  of these programs  in order  to qualify  for                                                              
the bidder preference.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:45:08 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN opened public testimony on SB 154.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:45:23 PM                                                                                                                    
KYLE  KAISER,  President, VIPER  Transitions,  Anchorage,  Alaska,                                                              
testified  in support of  SB 154.  He explained  that part  of the                                                              
problem  for  servicemembers,  veterans,   and  their  spouses  is                                                              
access to  the jobsite.  He noted that  there is  a great  deal of                                                              
discussion  around how  to keep  these  individuals from  pursuing                                                              
careers outside  of Alaska.  He stated that  around 80 percent  of                                                              
servicemen and women  leave Alaska once they have  completed their                                                              
military  career.  He  expressed  a  desire  to  change  this  and                                                              
emphasized  the importance  of addressing  the  issue before  they                                                              
are  completely separated  from the  military.  He emphasized  the                                                              
importance   of  the   180  window   to   determine  where   these                                                              
servicemembers  will  go and  what  career  they will  follow.  He                                                              
added   that   the  apprenticeships   and   other   skill-building                                                              
opportunities will  help them to  step directly into  the civilian                                                              
workforce.  He opined  that SB  154 is  great for  servicemembers,                                                              
businesses,  the  military, and  for  the  state of  Alaska.  With                                                              
respect  to  Helmets  to  Hardhats,  he said  that  SB  154  would                                                              
incentivize  employers to  create more  spots  for apprentices  on                                                              
their  staff,  thus   connecting  more  servicemembers   with  the                                                              
apprenticeship  opportunities that  organizations  like helmets  2                                                              
hardhats advertise.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:48:01 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN held public testimony on SB 154 open.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:48:11 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BISHOP  commented that broadband  expansion in  Alaska has                                                              
a workforce need of 17 thousand people.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:48:52 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN held SB 154 in committee.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:48:56 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                SB 102-REFUSE UTILITY REGULATIONS                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:50:12 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   BJORKMAN  reconvened   the  meeting   and  announced   the                                                              
consideration of SENATE  BILL NO. 102, "An Act relating  to refuse                                                              
utility  rates and  Regulatory  Commission of  Alaska  regulations                                                              
regarding  refuse  utilities;  and   providing  for  an  effective                                                              
date."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:50:34 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR ROBERT MYERS, District Q, Alaska State Legislature,                                                                     
Juneau, Alaska, sponsor of SB 102. He paraphrased the sponsor                                                                   
statement for SB 102:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                    SB 102 - Sponsor Statement                                                                                
                    REFUSE UTILITY REGULATIONS                                                                                  
           "An Act relating to refuse utility rates and                                                                       
      Regulatory Commission of Alaska regulations regarding                                                                   
         refuse utilities; and providing for an effective                                                                     
                              date."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     The  Regulatory   Commission  of  Alaska  (RCA)   is  an                                                                   
     independent,  quasi-judicial  regulatory body  that  was                                                                   
     formed  by  the  legislature  in  1999  to  replace  the                                                                   
     Alaska Public  Utilities Commission. The RCA  is charged                                                                   
     with   regulating   public   utilities    and   pipeline                                                                   
     services.  Among these  regulated  utilities are  refuse                                                                   
     waste   collection  providers   throughout  the   state.                                                                   
     Unfortunately,  due  to workload  and  protracted  legal                                                                   
     processes  it has  been the  experience  of some  refuse                                                                   
     utility  providers that  rate filings  have taken  years                                                                   
     consuming  a large  number  of  resources for  both  the                                                                   
     companies  and the  RCA. The  prolonged filling  process                                                                   
     has also  led to  consumer price shock  due to the  time                                                                   
     lapse  between the  refuse utilities  filling years  and                                                                   
     when new rates take effect.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     SB  102  streamlines  the rate  adjustment  process  for                                                                   
     refuse  utilities by allowing  them to  make use of  the                                                                   
     already  existing  simplified   rate  filing  procedure.                                                                   
     This  procedure  allows  utilities  to  apply  for  rate                                                                   
     adjustments  over  a  specified  period,  provided  they                                                                   
     meet certain regulatory requirements.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The RCA will  be required to adopt specific  regulations                                                                   
     tailored  to  the unique  nature  of  refuse  utilities.                                                                   
     These   regulations   will   include    provisions   for                                                                   
     sufficient  public notice  and meaningful  opportunities                                                                   
     for  ratepayers to  comment on  rate  filings. By  doing                                                                   
     so, the  bill promotes  transparency and  accountability                                                                   
     in   the   rate-setting   process,    safeguarding   the                                                                   
     interests of both consumers and utility providers.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     SB  102 establishes  a balanced  approach to  regulating                                                                   
     refuse utility  rates in Alaska, prioritizing  fairness,                                                                   
     transparency, public participation, and expediency.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:52:17 PM                                                                                                                    
DAWSON MANN, Staff, Senator Robert Myers, Alaska State                                                                          
Legislature, Juneau, Alaska, presented the sectional analysis                                                                   
for SB 102:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                 SB 102 v. A  Sectional Analysis                                                                              
                    REFUSE UTILITY REGULATIONS                                                                                  
           "An Act relating to refuse utility rates and                                                                       
      Regulatory Commission of Alaska regulations regarding                                                                   
         refuse utilities; and providing for an effective                                                                     
                              date."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
     Section 1: Page 1, Lines 4-14, Page 2, Lines 1-4                                                                         
     This section  amends AS  42.05.381(e) to include  refuse                                                                   
     utilities.  AS 42.05.381(e) is  the section of  statutes                                                                   
     that provides for a simplified rate filing procedure.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     This   section  also   outlines   that  the   Regulatory                                                                   
     Commission of Alaska shall adopt regulations                                                                               
     specific  to  refuse  utilities  to  provide  sufficient                                                                   
     public notice  and time  for ratepayers to  meaningfully                                                                   
     comment on rate filings.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Section 2: Page 2, Line 5                                                                                                
     This section establishes an immediate effective date.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:53:19 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR noted that not all waste companies are regulated                                                                 
by the Regulatory Commission of Alaska (RCA) and asked if SB 102                                                                
would change this.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:53:44 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS replied that SB 102 would not change which waste                                                                  
companies are regulated; rather, an existing regulatory process                                                                 
would be applied to waste companies.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:54:01 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DUNBAR  asked  if  Solid Waste  Services  (SWS)  has  any                                                              
expressed any views on SB 102.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:54:29 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  MANN  deferred  to  RCA  representatives   to  speak  to  the                                                              
relationship between RCA and municipal trash collection.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:55:00 PM                                                                                                                    
ROBERT DOYLE, Chair,  Regulatory Commission of  Alaska, Anchorage,                                                              
Alaska, answered  questions on SB 102.  He said that RCA  does not                                                              
regulate specific  landfills but  does regulate refuse  utilities.                                                              
He  stated that  this process  is straightforward  and simple.  He                                                              
explained that this  will avoid costs and save and/or  reduce time                                                              
consuming processes  and make moderate adjustments.  He added that                                                              
the maximum  is controlled can only  be increased 8 percent  in 12                                                              
months or 20 percent  in 36 months. For telecoms, this  would be 6                                                              
percent in  12 months and  15 percent over  36 months.  This would                                                              
keep  the size  of the  increase down.  This  is a  result of  the                                                              
public  comment process.  He  reiterated  that RCA  regulates  the                                                              
refuse collection utilities but does not regulate the landfills.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:56:24 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR  commented that  SWS is unique  in that it  is both                                                              
the collection  utility and  the landfill.  He questioned  how SWS                                                              
would be impacted by this legislation.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:56:44 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  DOYLE replied  that  SWS would  be  impacted  as a  regulated                                                              
entity  for the  refuse  collection portion  of  the business.  He                                                              
noted that  SWS could apply as  for simplified rate  filing (SRF).                                                              
He  clarified that  for any  business  entity, SB  102 would  only                                                              
apply to the refuse collection portion.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:57:16 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GRAY-JACKSON  sought clarification  that SB 102  is adding                                                              
refuse utilities  to the list  of cooperatives and  utilities that                                                              
are regulated by the RCA.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:57:31 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MYERS   clarified  that  refuse  utilities   are  already                                                              
regulated  by RCA.  He explained  that  SB 102  would allow  these                                                              
utilities to use  a simplified rate-filing process.  He noted that                                                              
electrical cooperatives already use this service.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:58:00 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  BJORKMAN  referred  to  subsection (e)  and  asked  if  RCA                                                              
currently regulates local exchange telephone utilities.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:58:25 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DOYLE replied  yes and clarified that many of  these utilities                                                              
are  regulated. He  gave  an example  of  a regulated  utility  in                                                              
Kotzebue. He  said that  there are  local exchange carriers  (LEC)                                                              
and  interstate carriers  as  well  as interstate  and  intrastate                                                              
carriers.  He briefly  noted  the distinction  between  interstate                                                              
and intrastate carriers.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:59:07 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  BJORKMAN  asked  if  RCA  wants  to  change  the  telephone                                                              
utility language.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:59:20 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DOYLE replied  not to his knowledge. He explained  that he was                                                              
on the  Matanuska Electric  Association, Inc.  board for 12  years                                                              
and said  that SRF  filing is  a straightforward  process that  is                                                              
less time-consuming and costly.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:00:25 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN opened public testimony on SB 102.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:00:40 PM                                                                                                                    
KURT FROENING, Division  Vice President, Alaska  Waste, Anchorage,                                                              
Alaska,  testified  in  support  of  SB  102.  He  said  that  the                                                              
simplified  rate-filing  process  would  make it  much  easier  to                                                              
adjust  rates to  current  market  conditions. He  explained  that                                                              
currently,  this is  a 450-day  process;  this means  that by  the                                                              
time  rate  changes  are  enacted,  the  data  and  expenses  have                                                              
changed drastically.  Additionally,  he said  that rate cases  are                                                              
expensive  to prepare  and added that  the most  recent rate  case                                                              
cost Alaska  Waste close  to half  a million  dollars to  prepare.                                                              
This cost  is then passed  along to  ratepayers. He surmised  that                                                              
SB 102 would streamline  this process and make it  less expensive.                                                              
He  pointed  out  that  this  process  is  already  in  place  for                                                              
electrical cooperatives  and local  exchange telephone  utilities;                                                              
SB 102  would simply allow refuse  utilities to also  utilize this                                                              
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:02:31 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN held public testimony on SB 102 open.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:02:53 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN  opined  that SB 102  is "common  sense" and  added                                                              
that refuse  utilities should  be able to  take advantage  of this                                                              
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:03:00 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN held SB 102 in committee.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:03:05 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                SB 257-ELECTRIC UTILITY REGULATION                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:05:44 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   BJORKMAN  reconvened   the  meeting   and  announced   the                                                              
consideration  of SENATE  BILL NO.  257, "An Act  relating to  the                                                              
Regulatory  Commission of  Alaska; relating  to public  utilities;                                                              
relating to  electric reliability  organizations; relating  to the                                                              
Alaska  Energy Authority;  relating to  the Railbelt  Transmission                                                              
Organization; and providing for an effective date."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:06:09 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  CATHY  GIESSEL,  District E,  Alaska  State  Legislature,                                                              
Juneau,  Alaska,  presented  SB  257 as  Co-Chair  of  the  Senate                                                              
Resources  Standing Committee.  She paraphrased  from the  sponsor                                                              
statement:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                         SENATE BILL 257                                                                                      
                Railbelt Transmission Organization                                                                              
                        SPONSOR STATEMENT                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Critical to  Alaska's future is  the need for  low-cost,                                                                   
     reliable   energy  throughout   the   entire  state.   A                                                                   
     reliable  and  efficient  transmission  system  supports                                                                   
     economic growth  by ensuring a stable, affordable  power                                                                   
     supply   for   businesses  and   communities,   and   it                                                                   
     encourages    investment   in    new   industries    and                                                                   
     infrastructure development.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Senate   bill  257   seeks   to  establish   a   strong,                                                                   
     resilient,  and  open-access  transmission  network.  It                                                                   
     will  provide sound  long-term  governance and  planning                                                                   
     to make  it stronger and  better over time. The  network                                                                   
     will  enable and  accelerate  the energy  transition  in                                                                   
     Alaska     a  revolution  in  how  we  generate,  store,                                                                   
     distribute, and consume electricity.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     The   electric   transmission   system   that   provides                                                                   
     electricity  from Homer  to Fairbanks  serves more  than                                                                   
     70  percent  of our  population  along  a  700-mile-long                                                                   
     corridor.  This  system,  however,  is  challenged  with                                                                   
     insufficient  transfer  capacity,  outdated  technology,                                                                   
     and   inefficient  pricing,   all   of  which   threaten                                                                   
     reliability   and  prevents   new,  diverse   generation                                                                   
     sources from  serving ratepayers at the lowest  possible                                                                   
     cost.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:08:33 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GIESSEL continued to paraphrase the sponsor statement:                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     As  we enter into  a new  era of  energy management  and                                                                   
     sustainability,  it is  imperative  we take  bold  steps                                                                   
     toward    modernizing   our    Railbelt's    electricity                                                                   
     transmission system.  Our current energy  infrastructure                                                                   
     is    outdated    and    fragmented,     resulting    in                                                                   
     inefficiencies,  vulnerabilities,  and  obstacles  to  a                                                                   
     more efficient  adoption of alternatives and  lower-cost                                                                   
     electric generation  sources. Larger transmission  lines                                                                   
     and  more efficient  modern  equipment  will enable  the                                                                   
     seamless  integration  into  our  new  energy  mix  with                                                                   
     clean  and renewable  energy  sources such  as  advanced                                                                   
     nuclear,  hydro, solar,  and  wind power.  Planning  and                                                                   
     building that  new energy mix will drive  innovation and                                                                   
     create   high-wage  jobs.  By   truly  integrating   and                                                                   
     upgrading our  electric grid and  pricing it fairly  for                                                                   
     all users, we  can unlock a host of benefits,  including                                                                   
     increased   reliability,   enhanced   flexibility,   and                                                                   
     greater  resilience  against   disruptions  and  natural                                                                   
     disasters.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     An  upgraded Railbelt  electric grid  is an  improvement                                                                   
     for all  Alaskans. The  Power Cost Equalization  program                                                                   
     helps pay  the cost of  electricity in rural and  remote                                                                   
     parts of the  state with an aim to equalize  electricity                                                                   
     rates  by reducing the  economic burden  of high  energy                                                                   
     costs.  The offset is  based on  the difference  between                                                                   
     the  actual cost  of  electricity  and the  target  rate                                                                   
     which is  the weighted  average retail residential  rate                                                                   
     of  electricity  in Anchorage,  Fairbanks,  and  Juneau.                                                                   
     Lowering the cost of electricity in Anchorage through                                                                      
     an upgraded grid provides a commensurate lower cost of                                                                     
     electricity for residents in rural and remote Alaska.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:11:03 PM                                                                                                                    
GWEN HOLDMANN,  Director, CEM INE  Alaska Center of  Energy Power,                                                              
University  of  Alaska  Fairbanks,  Fairbanks,  Alaska,  gave  the                                                              
presentation, "The  Railbelt Transmission Grid (now  and future)."                                                              
She said  that there  is urgency around  the railbelt system.  She                                                              
added that  at this point, the  system can either advance  or slip                                                              
backward.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:11:41 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN advanced to slide 2:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     A Vision for our Railbelt                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
     We want a system that:                                                                                                   
        • Allows cheapest cost power to get to end-users                                                                        
          wherever it is produced, whatever the source is,                                                                      
          and wherever that generation is located.                                                                              
        • Facilitates clean energy projects at scale for                                                                        
          energy security and diversification.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:12:54 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN advanced to slide 3:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Realities of the Railbelt Today                                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
        • Railbelt politics are inherently local                                                                                
        • Our energy sources are becoming more diverse                                                                          
        • Projects are more economical when built at scale                                                                      
        • The Railbelt transmission system needs to be                                                                          
          upgraded. We have an opportunity for federal                                                                          
          funding to help defray those costs.                                                                                   
        • Alaska has avoided transmission deregulation                                                                          
          because we are not grid connected (thus not                                                                           
          subject to FERC)                                                                                                      
        • Finding analogous correlatives to Alaska can be                                                                       
          challenging                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. HOLDMANN said that the markets in Iceland, Texas, and Hawaii are                                                            
most similar to Alaska's market and SB 257 includes elements of best                                                            
practices from these three jurisdictions.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:16:04 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN advanced to slide 5:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Three Goals:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
        • Eliminate pancaking wheeling rates and establish                                                                      
          a framework for how transmission costs will be                                                                        
          recovered and allocated                                                                                               
        • Create an organization that can oversee, manage                                                                       
          and develop backbone transmission assets and that                                                                     
          is subject to appropriate regulation                                                                                  
        • Re-imagining a planning process that uses a                                                                           
          whole-system approach (transmission, generation,                                                                      
          and distribution)                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:17:31 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MERRICK asked whether Grid Resilience and Innovation                                                                    
Partnerships (GRIP) fund payouts would be better made in a lump sum                                                             
or made over several years.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:17:49 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN replied that while she is not prepared to speak to this                                                            
issue, it is important to signal to the federal government that                                                                 
Alaska is serious about matching these types of federal funds. She                                                              
stated that she would like to see Alaska  benefit as much as possible                                                           
from these types of federal opportunities  and not having a clear path                                                          
and process to match these funds makes  the state less competitive in                                                           
this area. She expressed concern about this and added that GRIP                                                                 
funding is not the only funding source. She listed several types of                                                             
energy sources and stated that Alaska must show that it is serious                                                              
about developing these types of projects in partnership with the                                                                
federal government.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:19:07 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MERRICK commented that she and Senator Bishop would likely                                                              
dig deeper into this when SB 257 is heard in the Senate Finance                                                                 
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:19:18 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN advanced to slide 6:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Goal # 1: Remove pancaking wheeling rates                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        • Decisions about investment in projects or                                                                             
          economic dispatch should not be inhibited by the                                                                      
          cost of transmission, or the need to move power                                                                       
          across transmission lines with different                                                                              
          ownership                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:20:58 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN advanced to slide 7:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Goal 1: Remove pancaking wheeling rates and establish                                                                    
     a framework for how costs will be recovered and                                                                          
     allocated                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        • "Pool backbone transmission system costs and                                                                          
          allocate those costs based on a coincident peak                                                                       
          or load share ratio basis" (Adapted from Texas                                                                        
          Substantive Rule 25.192)                                                                                              
        • Coincident peak demand - period when electricity                                                                    
          usage (demand) is at its highest across the                                                                           
          entire system                                                                                                         
        • Load share ratio - considers users' overall                                                                         
          energy consumption over a specific period                                                                             
        • Transmission lines (like highways) are typically                                                                      
          built for peak demand, not how much energy                                                                            
          (traffic) flows through the system.                                                                                   
        • Texas operates as an electrical "island" and                                                                          
          because power generated in Texas is not sent                                                                          
          outside of the state, Texas is exempt from                                                                            
          federal FERC regulation (like Alaska and Hawaii)                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:22:51 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR commented that Texas has become notorious for failures                                                           
of the energy grid system that led to freezing deaths. He asked for                                                             
reassurance that SB 257 would not cause the kinds of problems that                                                              
Texas has experienced.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:23:40 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN agreed that there are many challenges associated with                                                              
Texas's grid; however, the issuing being referenced was not an issue                                                            
with the grid but with the energy generation sources, which were not                                                            
able to operate in the cold temperatures  and weather conditions that                                                           
Texas experienced. She stated that this is a separate issue and                                                                 
pointed out that Texas is an open market,  and this is one example of                                                           
why Alaska is not completely analogous  to any other jurisdiction. She                                                          
explained that Texas is two orders  of magnitude larger than Alaska's                                                           
railbelt grid in terms of the number of kilowatt hours sold on an                                                               
annual basis. Therefore, the open grid system does not easily                                                                   
translate to use in Alaska. She said that the Railbelt Reliability                                                              
Council (RRC) - Alaska's electric reliability  organization (ERO) - is                                                          
an important piece of the bigger picture  in Alaska, where the need is                                                          
not only cheap power but also ensuring that the power is reliable.                                                              
She said that SB 257 allows RCA to  consider actions that will have a                                                           
positive long-term impact on Alaska's energy supply.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:25:44 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR asked if RRC has a specific role in the Railbelt                                                                 
Transmission Organization (RTO).                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:25:51 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN replied yes. She said that SB 257 attempts to clarify                                                              
the roles and responsibilities of the  two organizations in relation                                                            
to one-another. She explained that in most jurisdictions, a                                                                     
reliability organization is not responsible  for planning - it focuses                                                          
on reliability and enforcement of reliability  standards. She said                                                              
they do not want planning to occur  in two different places. SB 257                                                             
moves planning function to the RTO, though RRC would still play an                                                              
important role in the planning process.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:26:48 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN asked what work products  and outcomes can be expected                                                           
from RRC. He questioned the purpose of having an ERO given that RTO                                                             
would be responsible for planning.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:27:22 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN replied that reliability  is an important component of a                                                           
functioning system. She explained that the failure in Texas was not                                                             
related to cheap power - which they  had. Instead, the failure was a                                                            
result of inadequate reliability standards  to ensure that the cheap                                                            
power was available to consumers. She  reiterated that reliability is                                                           
an important function and therefore an ERO would be established as                                                              
part of this process.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:28:21 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN advanced to slide 8:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Goal 2: Create an organization that can oversee,                                                                         
     manage and develop backbone transmission assets and                                                                    
     that is subject to appropriate regulation                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        • Iceland provides an interesting analog to                                                                             
          Alaska's Railbelt due to similar transmission                                                                         
          length, population served, and high prevalence of                                                                     
          public power.                                                                                                         
        • Iceland has a competitive energy market, with                                                                         
          Landsnet as the national transmission system                                                                          
          operator, overseeing the country's transmission                                                                       
          infrastructure. Examining Iceland's governance                                                                        
          and asset management strategies, particularly                                                                         
          their evolution over the past three decades,                                                                          
          presents an invaluable learning opportunity for                                                                       
          Alaska.                                                                                                               
        • Iceland's electricity sector. Most distribution                                                                     
          utilities also operate generation assets, similar                                                                     
          to the Railbelt utilities.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:30:39 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN advanced to slide 9:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Goal 2: Create an organization that can oversee,                                                                         
     manage and develop backbone transmission assets and                                                                    
     that is subject to appropriate regulation                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        • Borrow from a simple governance structure that                                                                        
          has passed the test of time (in Alaska)                                                                               
        • The transmission tariff that establishes the rate                                                                     
          that consumers pay should be subject to                                                                               
          regulation (the Bradley Project is exempt)                                                                            
        • The Bradley Lake Project Management Committee                                                                         
          governance structure can be used as a starting                                                                        
          point to design a Railbelt Transmission                                                                               
          Organization                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:32:36 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR asked if existing transmission assets held by                                                                    
other railbelt utilities would be transferred to RTO and, if so,                                                                
how the utilities would be compensated.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:33:32 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN replied that existing assets do not need to be                                                                     
sold. She surmised that assets owned by the state of Alaska                                                                     
would be rolled into RTO. She said  that assets owned by utility                                                                
companies could be sold or leased -  this would be decided by the                                                               
utility. She noted that this is similar to what was done in                                                                     
Iceland. She pointed out that oftentimes, these assets are                                                                      
rolled up in long-term debt held by  the utility and separating                                                                 
these assets would create challenges. She reiterated that each                                                                  
utility would decide how to interact with RTO in terms of                                                                       
ownership and management of the assets  that they currently hold.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:34:38 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN asked who determines the difference between                                                                      
"transmission" and "delivery" - and  what process would be used.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:35:20 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN replied that there are specific rules that are                                                                     
accepted by the industry to differentiate  "backbone transmission                                                               
assets" (which is what SB 257 addresses)  from "radial assets" -                                                                
and to distinguish these from "distribution assets." She said                                                                   
that SB 257 leaves it to the RCA to  define what constitutes the                                                                
railbelt backbone grid.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:35:56 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BISHOP surmised that there  would be a kilowatt number to                                                               
define "transmission" and a kilowatt number to define                                                                           
"distribution."                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:36:30 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN replied that this is true; however, she explained                                                                  
that this question deals more with  the radial transmission line                                                                
serving a specific utility - or a portion of their service                                                                      
territory. She clarified that this  is not part of the backbone                                                                 
transmission addressed by SB 257. She  emphasized the importance                                                                
of distinguishing between the "highway"  and what constitutes a                                                                 
"side road" - even if it is at the same transmission size.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:37:06 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN commented that in Alaska, one "road" from Homer                                                                  
to Healy would be the goal - and there  is not a big grid there,                                                                
just one wire. He asked if this interpretation is correct.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:37:28 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN replied yes and clarified  that it may be one or two                                                               
transmission lines.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:37:34 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN advanced to slide 10:                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Goal 3: Design a planning process that uses a whole-                                                                     
     system approach                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
     Integrated Grid Planning (IGP) is a successor concept                                                                      
     to Integrated Resource Planning. IGP emphasizes whole                                                                      
     system planning across generation,  transmission, and                                                                      
     distribution resources.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Hawaii was an early adopter of IGP and may have coined                                                                   
     the term. According to the Hawaii Public Utilities                                                                         
     Commission, in 2018, the Hawaii Public Utilities                                                                           
     Commission opened the Integrated Grid Planning (IGP)                                                                       
     Docket (2018-0165) to replace earlier grid planning                                                                        
     efforts, namely Hawaiian Electric's Integrated                                                                             
     Resource Planning (19902014) and Power Supply                                                                              
     Improvement Planning (20142017)                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
        • Hawaii differs from Alaska in that power is not                                                                       
          transmitted over long distances, and it is                                                                            
          primarily served by a single investor-owned                                                                           
          utility, HECO, which also owns the transmission                                                                       
          assets (with the exception of Kauai).                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:38:38 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN advanced to slide 11:                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Three Goals: SB 257                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
        • Eliminate pancaking wheeling rates and establish                                                                      
          a framework for how transmission costs will be                                                                        
          recovered and allocated                                                                                               
        • Create an organization that can oversee, manage                                                                       
          and develop backbone transmission assets and that                                                                   
          is subject to appropriate regulation                                                                                  
        • Re-imagining a planning process that uses a                                                                           
          whole-system approach (transmission, generation,                                                                      
          and distribution)                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:40:11 PM                                                                                                                    
TONY IZZO, CEO, Matanuska Electric Association, Palmer, Alaska,                                                                 
testified by invitation on SB 257. He said that he also speaks                                                                  
as a co-chair of the Governor's Energy Security Taskforce, co-                                                                  
chair of the railbelt subcommittee. He said he has been in the                                                                  
utility business for 43 years. He stated that there are                                                                         
immediate and secondary energy issues that need to be addressed.                                                                
He opined that the immediate issues are being addressed,                                                                        
including the diversification of the  fuel supply, renewable                                                                    
energy, clean energy, etc.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:43:32 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. IZZO said that SB 257 addresses a critical, parallel                                                                        
process. He shared his belief that while triage is being done on                                                                
the immediate situation, work needs  to be done to shift the                                                                    
paradigm in order to avoid returning  to the same problematic                                                                   
cycle in ten years. He said that he has seen these cycles play                                                                  
out numerous times over the years.  He stated that the energy                                                                   
taskforce looked at its work - based on the Governor's                                                                          
instructions - to seek out a rate of 10 cents per kilowatt-hour.                                                                
He added that his utility is roughly 20 cents per kilowatt-hour.                                                                
He explained that the largest component  of power is the fuel                                                                   
cost - and the taskforce determined that 10 cents per kilowatt-                                                                 
hour is not feasible at this time.  Therefore, the taskforce                                                                    
shifted its focus to determining ways to get to a future in                                                                     
which it is possible.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. IZZO explained the three taskforce  goals, which included                                                                   
unifying and upgrading transmission assets; diversifying                                                                        
generation; and increasing demand. He shared how visiting                                                                       
Iceland allowed the taskforce to see how these goals could                                                                      
successfully play out 30 years down the road. He stated that the                                                                
taskforce's intent for the transmission goal was to provide a                                                                   
strong transmission system which would  enable new generation                                                                   
projects to integrate into the grid. He said that investing in                                                                  
transmission and infrastructure - and unifying assets - would                                                                   
enable the long-term goal of diversifying railbelt generation.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:47:17 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. IZZO briefly discussed the differences  between investor-                                                                   
owned utilities and cooperatives and  the system that resulted                                                                  
from this structure. He explained how  the GRIP funding would                                                                   
solve some of the problems by creating  an electron highway.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:49:41 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN asked what type of savings utilities like                                                                        
Matanuska Electric Association would experience by eliminating                                                                  
part of the spending reserve.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:50:00 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. IZZO answered that he does not have a calculation. He said                                                                  
this would be a low-cost operation, managed by the utilities.                                                                   
Each utility brings its labor in kind. He expressed concern                                                                     
about the ERO projected costs. He said that SB 257 needs to                                                                     
separate the transmission in a utility  from the backbone - e.g.                                                                
what is the transmission for MEA, with  over 4800 miles of line -                                                               
104 miles is transmission serving the purpose of moving power                                                                   
north and south. He said that if these  assets were combined with                                                               
the state - and combined with large scale renewable energy                                                                      
sources - the material benefit would  come from lower-cost power                                                                
in the future.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:51:58 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN asked if there is broad  agreement on the 104 mile                                                               
number.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:52:07 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. IZZO replied that this is the number  for Matanuska Electric                                                                
and he does not know what the other utilities' components will                                                                  
be. He asserted that no utilities should  be financially harmed                                                                 
in this process and emphasized that the taskforce was very                                                                      
specific that it was not taking from utilities, that no debt                                                                    
covenants would be violated, and that  revenue requirements must                                                                
be met. However, utilities would need to split out their                                                                        
"backbone" from the rest of transmission. He shared his belief                                                                  
that a third-party engineering firm would be best suited to                                                                     
define what this is. He added that  MEA would recover its revenue                                                               
requirement on the 104 miles through the backbone and the rest                                                                  
would be made up through membership.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:53:19 PM                                                                                                                    
JOHN BURNS, President and CEO, Golden Valley Electric                                                                           
Association, Fairbanks, Alaska, testified by invitation on SB                                                                   
257. He said that he is in support  of this legislation and that                                                                
its comprehensive nature aligns with  the recommendations of the                                                                
Alaska Energy Security Taskforce. Specifically, it relates to                                                                   
priority A of the Railbelt Transmission,  Generation, and Storage                                                               
subcommittee. He shared some of the benefits noted by the                                                                       
subcommittee, including reducing transmission  constraints on the                                                               
railbelt grid while allowing for faster integration of clean                                                                    
energy generation; system redundancy resilience; benefitting                                                                    
utilities and ratepayers by sharing  power throughout the region;                                                               
and reducing cost and promoting job creation, among other                                                                       
benefits. He said that the goal of  SB 257 is to ensure that the                                                                
lowest cost electron - from whatever  source - can be transmitted                                                               
across the railbelt to wherever it  is needed, unconstrained, and                                                               
at a single flat rate. He asserted  that this is the only way to                                                                
lower costs across the railbelt. He noted that this legislation                                                                 
is modeled after Iceland and pointed out that Iceland went from                                                                 
economically challenged and importing much of its power to a                                                                    
thriving country where younger generations choose to stay. He                                                                   
summed up by saying that SB 257 provides  not only the structure,                                                               
but also the funding and planning mechanisms - along with the                                                                   
powers and duties - of the railbelt organization.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:57:06 PM                                                                                                                    
CURTIS THAYER, Executive Director, Alaska Energy Authority                                                                      
(AEA), Anchorage, Alaska, testified by invitation on SB 257. He                                                                 
said that many of the transmission lines were constructed 40-60                                                                 
years ago. Since their construction, the demands on the power                                                                   
grid have increased significantly - and total energy sales for                                                                  
the railbelt have nearly tripled over  the past 20 years. He also                                                               
pointed to concerns about the availability of Cook Inlet natural                                                                
gas. He surmised that growth in total  energy sales will continue                                                               
- and renewable energy sources will be needed. He stated that a                                                                 
robust, resilient, and reliable electrical transmission grid is                                                                 
essential for the future of Alaska. He added that a well-                                                                       
functioning transmission system depends on several basic                                                                        
characteristics: reliability and resilience  (to reduce and avoid                                                               
outages); ability to meet growing energy demands; flexibility to                                                                
adapt to changing loads; and cost-effectiveness.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:58:35 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN said  that it is imperative that customers  get the                                                              
lowest  cost  power  possible,  in   order  to  move  the  economy                                                              
forward.  He added  that it  is also  imperative that  all of  the                                                              
utilities work  together to make  the utility system  better. This                                                              
would  also empower  the  gains  made from  a  GRIP match  into  a                                                              
system like the one  in SB 257. He surmised that  if the utilities                                                              
are asking  Alaskans to allocate $100s  of millions over  the next                                                              
ten  years for  a project  that  creates redundancy  and  security                                                              
from Homer  to Healy,  it is fair  for the  Alaskan people  to ask                                                              
for accountability,  modernization, and  for all the  utilities to                                                              
work together.  He expressed  his understanding  that natural  gas                                                              
is  preferred by  many;  however, he  expressed  doubt about  this                                                              
possibility, particularly  in the short or medium-term.  He stated                                                              
that something  needs  to be  done and he  would like  to see  all                                                              
utilities working  together on this  project and added that  if no                                                              
action is  taken, homes will  be cold and  have no lights  because                                                              
there is  not enough fuel.  He stated that  the current  system is                                                              
not capable  of moving the energy  that is needed. He  opined that                                                              
the time to  act is now and  emphasized that doing nothing  is not                                                              
an option. He noted  that there are principles in  place that must                                                              
be kept in  mind and costs should  be fairly distributed.  He said                                                              
that  open access  means  open  access  for cheap  generation  and                                                              
these benefits should  be available to everyone. He  asserted that                                                              
these  conversations need  to happen  and  encouraged everyone  to                                                              
participate. He stressed  the need for accountability  during this                                                              
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:02:32 PM                                                                                                                    
[CHAIR BJORKMAN held SB 257 in committee.]                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:02:43 PM                                                                                                                    
There being no further business to come before the committee,                                                                   
Chair Bjorkman adjourned the Senate Labor and Commerce Standing                                                                 
Committee meeting at 3:02 p.m.