ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
          SENATE LABOR AND COMMERCE STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                        
                         April 10, 2014                                                                                         
                           1:30 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Mike Dunleavy, Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Peter Micciche, Vice Chair                                                                                              
Senator Donald Olson                                                                                                            
Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Johnny Ellis                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 189                                                                                                             
"An Act relating to an exemption from the regulation of                                                                         
construction contractors."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSSB 189(L&C) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 193                                                                                                             
"An Act relating to bonds required for contractors."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED SB 193 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 241                                                                                                              
"An Act extending the termination date of the Board of Marital                                                                  
and Family Therapy; and providing for an effective date."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HB 241 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 239                                                                                                              
"An Act extending the termination date of the Board of Examiners                                                                
in Optometry; and providing for an effective date."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HB 239 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 240                                                                                                              
"An Act extending the termination date of the Board of                                                                          
Chiropractic Examiners; and providing for an effective date."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HB 240 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 242                                                                                                              
"An Act extending the termination date of the State Physical                                                                    
Therapy and Occupational Therapy Board; and providing for an                                                                    
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HB 242 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 302(L&C)                                                                                
"An Act relating to rules of professional conduct for the                                                                       
profession of public accounting."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSHB 302(L&C) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 189                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: EXEMPTION: LICENSING OF CONTRACTORS                                                                                
SPONSOR(s): LABOR & COMMERCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
02/21/14       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/21/14       (S)       L&C                                                                                                    
02/25/14       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
02/25/14       (S)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
03/04/14       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
03/04/14       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/04/14       (S)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
03/18/14       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
03/18/14       (S)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
03/20/14       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
03/20/14       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/20/14       (S)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
04/10/14       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 193                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: CONTRACTORS: BONDS; LICENSING                                                                                      
SPONSOR(s): MICCICHE                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
02/21/14       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/21/14       (S)       L&C                                                                                                    
02/27/14       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
02/27/14       (S)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
03/04/14       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
03/04/14       (S)       Scheduled But Not Heard                                                                                
03/11/14       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
03/11/14       (S)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
03/13/14       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
03/13/14       (S)       Scheduled But Not Heard                                                                                
03/18/14       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
03/18/14       (S)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
03/20/14       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
03/20/14       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/20/14       (S)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
04/10/14       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 241                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: EXTEND BOARD OF MARITAL & FAMILY THERAPY                                                                           
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) REINBOLD                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
01/21/14       (H)       PREFILE RELEASED 1/10/14                                                                               
01/21/14       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/21/14       (H)       L&C, FIN                                                                                               
01/29/14       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
01/29/14       (H)       Moved Out of Committee                                                                                 
01/29/14       (H)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
01/30/14       (H)       L&C RPT 4DP                                                                                            
01/30/14       (H)       DP: REINBOLD, SADDLER, JOSEPHSON, OLSON                                                                
02/11/14       (H)       FIN AT 1:30 PM HOUSE FINANCE 519                                                                       
02/11/14       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/11/14       (H)       MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                            
03/13/14       (H)       FIN RPT 8DP                                                                                            
03/13/14       (H)       DP: GUTTENBERG, HOLMES, GARA, MUNOZ,                                                                   
                         NEUMAN, THOMPSON, COSTELLO, STOLTZE                                                                    
03/13/14       (H)       FIN AT 8:30 AM HOUSE FINANCE 519                                                                       
03/13/14       (H)       Moved Out of Committee                                                                                 
03/13/14       (H)       MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                            
03/20/14       (H)       TRANSMITTED TO (S)                                                                                     
03/20/14       (H)       VERSION: HB 241                                                                                        
03/21/14       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/21/14       (S)       L&C, FIN                                                                                               
04/10/14       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 239                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: EXTEND BOARD OF EXAMINERS IN OPTOMETRY                                                                             
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) REINBOLD                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
01/21/14       (H)       PREFILE RELEASED 1/10/14                                                                               
01/21/14       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/21/14       (H)       L&C, FIN                                                                                               
01/29/14       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
01/29/14       (H)       Moved Out of Committee                                                                                 
01/29/14       (H)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
01/30/14       (H)       L&C RPT 5DP                                                                                            
01/30/14       (H)       DP:    HERRON,     REINBOLD,    SADDLER,                                                               
                        JOSEPHSON, OLSON                                                                                        
02/11/14       (H)       FIN AT 1:30 PM HOUSE FINANCE 519                                                                       
02/11/14       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/11/14       (H)       MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                            
03/13/14       (H)       FIN RPT 8DP                                                                                            
03/13/14       (H)       DP: GUTTENBERG, HOLMES, MUNOZ, NEUMAN,                                                                 
                         THOMPSON, GARA, COSTELLO, STOLTZE                                                                      
03/13/14       (H)       FIN AT 8:30 AM HOUSE FINANCE 519                                                                       
03/13/14       (H)       Moved Out of Committee                                                                                 
03/13/14       (H)       MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                            
03/20/14       (H)       TRANSMITTED TO (S)                                                                                     
03/20/14       (H)       VERSION: HB 239                                                                                        
03/21/14       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/21/14       (S)       L&C, FIN                                                                                               
04/10/14       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 240                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: EXTEND BOARD OF CHIROPRACTIC EXAMINERS                                                                             
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) REINBOLD                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
01/21/14       (H)       PREFILE RELEASED 1/10/14                                                                               
01/21/14       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/21/14       (H)       L&C, FIN                                                                                               
01/29/14       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
01/29/14       (H)       Moved Out of Committee                                                                                 
01/29/14       (H)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
01/30/14       (H)       L&C RPT 4DP                                                                                            
01/30/14       (H)       DP: REINBOLD, SADDLER, JOSEPHSON, OLSON                                                                
02/11/14       (H)       FIN AT 1:30 PM HOUSE FINANCE 519                                                                       
02/11/14       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/11/14       (H)       MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                            
03/13/14       (H)       FIN RPT 8DP                                                                                            
03/13/14       (H)       DP: GUTTENBERG, HOLMES, MUNOZ, NEUMAN,                                                                 
                         THOMPSON, GARA, COSTELLO, STOLTZE                                                                      
03/13/14       (H)       FIN AT 8:30 AM HOUSE FINANCE 519                                                                       
03/13/14       (H)       Moved Out of Committee                                                                                 
03/13/14       (H)       MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                            
03/21/14       (H)       TRANSMITTED TO (S)                                                                                     
03/21/14       (H)       VERSION: HB 240                                                                                        
03/24/14       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/24/14       (S)       L&C, FIN                                                                                               
04/10/14       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 242                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: EXTEND PT & OCCUPATIONAL THERAPY BOARD                                                                             
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) REINBOLD                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
01/21/14       (H)       PREFILE RELEASED 1/10/14                                                                               
01/21/14       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/21/14       (H)       L&C, FIN                                                                                               
01/31/14       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
01/31/14       (H)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
02/03/14       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
02/03/14       (H)       Moved Out of Committee                                                                                 
02/03/14       (H)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
02/05/14       (H)       L&C RPT 5DP                                                                                            
02/05/14       (H)       DP:    MILLETT,     HERRON,    REINBOLD,                                                               
                        JOSEPHSON, OLSON                                                                                        
02/11/14       (H)       FIN AT 1:30 PM HOUSE FINANCE 519                                                                       
02/11/14       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/11/14       (H)       MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                            
03/13/14       (H)       FIN RPT 8DP                                                                                            
03/13/14       (H)       DP: GUTTENBERG, HOLMES, GARA, MUNOZ,                                                                   
                         NEUMAN, THOMPSON, COSTELLO, STOLTZE                                                                    
03/13/14       (H)       FIN AT 8:30 AM HOUSE FINANCE 519                                                                       
03/13/14       (H)       Moved Out of Committee                                                                                 
03/13/14       (H)       MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                            
03/21/14       (H)       TRANSMITTED TO (S)                                                                                     
03/21/14       (H)       VERSION: HB 242                                                                                        
03/24/14       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/24/14       (S)       L&C, FIN                                                                                               
04/10/14       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 302                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: PUBLIC ACCOUNTANTS                                                                                                 
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) THOMPSON                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
02/10/14       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/10/14       (H)       L&C                                                                                                    
03/05/14       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/05/14       (H)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
03/28/14       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/28/14       (H)       Moved CSHB 302(L&C) Out of Committee                                                                   
03/28/14       (H)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
03/31/14       (H)       L&C RPT CS(L&C) NT 3DP 3NR                                                                             
03/31/14       (H)       DP: SADDLER, JOSEPHSON, OLSON                                                                          
03/31/14       (H)       NR: CHENAULT, HERRON, JOHNSON                                                                          
04/02/14       (H)       TRANSMITTED TO (S)                                                                                     
04/02/14       (H)       VERSION: CSHB 302(L&C)                                                                                 
04/02/14       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
04/02/14       (S)       L&C                                                                                                    
04/10/14       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
STEVE RICCI, Aide                                                                                                               
Senate Labor & Commerce Committee                                                                                               
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented the changes in Version O for SB                                                                 
189.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
JAMES SQUYRES, representing himself                                                                                             
Delta Junction, Alaska                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 189.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
PAMELA GOODE, representing herself                                                                                              
Delta Junction, Alaska                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 189.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
JEFF HALL, representing himself                                                                                                 
Palmer, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of the original version                                                              
of SB 189.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
PATRICK DALTON, representing himself                                                                                            
Delta, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Expressed concern with SB 189.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SARA CHAMBERS, Director                                                                                                         
Division of Corporations, Business and Professional Licensing                                                                   
Department of Commerce, Community and Economic Development                                                                      
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Provided information and answered questions                                                               
related to SB 189 and HB 241.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MINDY ROWLAND, Staff                                                                                                            
Senator Peter Micciche                                                                                                          
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Provided information on SB 193 on behalf of                                                               
the sponsor.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN MACKINNON, Executive Director                                                                                              
Association of General Contractors of Alaska                                                                                    
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 193.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LORA REINBOLD                                                                                                    
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Sponsor  of HB 239, HB 240 and  HB 241 and HB                                                             
242.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
KRIS CURTIS, Legislative Auditor                                                                                                
Legislative Audit Division                                                                                                      
Legislative Agencies and Offices                                                                                                
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION   STATEMENT:   Presented    the   audit   findings   and                                                             
recommendations  during the  discussions of  HB 239,  HB 240,  HB                                                               
241, and HB 242.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CRYSTAL KOENEMAN, Staff                                                                                                         
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented information on  HB 241 on behalf of                                                             
the sponsor.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LYNETTE BERGH, Staff                                                                                                            
Representative Steve Thompson                                                                                                   
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented HB 302 on behalf of the sponsor.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
KAREN TARVER, Chair                                                                                                             
Alaska Board of Public Accountancy                                                                                              
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Answer questions related to HB 302.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:30:19 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  MIKE  DUNLEAVY  called  the   Senate  Labor  and  Commerce                                                             
Standing Committee meeting  to order at 1:30 p.m.  Present at the                                                               
call to order  were Senators Micciche, Stedman,  Olson, and Chair                                                               
Dunleavy.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
           SB 189-EXEMPTION: LICENSING OF CONTRACTORS                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:31:08 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNLEAVY  announced the  consideration of  SB 189.  "An Act                                                               
relating  to an  exemption  from the  regulation of  construction                                                               
contractors." He noted that this  was the third hearing and there                                                               
was a committee substitute (CS).                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:31:15 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE  moved to adopt  the work  draft CS for  SB 189,                                                               
labeled 28-LS1322\O, as the working document.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DUNLEAVY objected for discussion purposes.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:31:43 PM                                                                                                                    
STEVE RICCI,  Aide, Senate Labor &  Commerce Committee, presented                                                               
the  changes in  Version  O for  SB 189.  He  explained that  the                                                               
changes  to  the   exemption  of  who  is  a   contractor  in  AS                                                               
08.18.161(12)  are confined  to those  who live  in a  home rule,                                                               
first class,  or second class  borough, or  unified municipality.                                                               
The language in  this paragraph was further  amended to recognize                                                               
that  it's not  unusual  for Alaskans  to leave  a  portion of  a                                                               
project unfinished. The phrase "after  the period of construction                                                               
ends" was  amended to say  "after the structure is  completed for                                                               
its  intended  purpose"  thereby  removing the  ambiguity  as  to                                                               
whether construction is complete. If  the person is occupying the                                                               
home, the  assumption is  that it's being  used for  its intended                                                               
purpose  regardless  of the  fact  that  the  home may  still  be                                                               
covered in Tyvek instead of siding.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DUNLEAVY removed his objection.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR RICCI reminded members of the  purpose of SB 189. It addresses                                                               
the issue  that a  growing number  of individuals  are exploiting                                                               
the  owner-builder  exemption  in   AS  08.18.161  to  avoid  the                                                               
licensing,  bonding, and  insurance  requirements  that apply  to                                                               
contractors. Under current statute  the exemption under paragraph                                                               
(12) provides that an owner who  acts as their own contractor may                                                               
construct  one home,  duplex, triplex,  four-plex, or  commercial                                                               
building every  two years. The  bill refines this by  adding that                                                               
someone can sell earlier if  they demonstrate to the satisfaction                                                               
of   the  [Department   of  Commerce,   Community  and   Economic                                                               
Development  (DCCED)] that  an earlier  sale is  not intended  to                                                               
circumvent the requirements under  this chapter. The intention is                                                               
to capture those who are building for income purposes.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON asked about the unorganized borough.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICCI replied  there will be not changes  for the individuals                                                               
living in unorganized boroughs.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DUNLEAVY opened public testimony.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:36:38 PM                                                                                                                    
JAMES  SQUYRES,  representing  himself, Delta  Junction,  Alaska,                                                               
stated that  he and a  number of others  just received a  copy of                                                               
the most recent  version of SB 189 and there  wasn't much time to                                                               
review it. He  noted that this bill was just  scheduled today and                                                               
a  lot  of people  who  might  want  to testify  either  couldn't                                                               
arrange their schedule  on such short notice or  didn't have time                                                               
to prepare  an appropriate response.  He requested  the committee                                                               
allow more  time for  people to  understand the  bill and  how it                                                               
would affect them.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. SQUIRES  expressed concern about the  unintended consequences                                                               
because he reads the exemption in  paragraph (12) to now apply to                                                               
homes  in  the  unorganized  borough and  not  in  the  organized                                                               
borough.  He also  pointed out  that owner-builders  invest their                                                               
own capital which  is a different relationship  than a contractor                                                               
who  is  using capital  from  another  source. This  burdens  the                                                               
owner-builder. He  suggested that  this matter should  be handled                                                               
at the borough  level and further suggested that  the bill raises                                                               
constitutional issues.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:40:43 PM                                                                                                                    
PAMELA  GOODE,  representing   herself,  Delta  Junction,  stated                                                               
agreement with Mr.  Squire that the bill was noticed  at the 11th                                                               
hour  and for  that  reason  alone it  should  be postponed.  She                                                               
described  some  of the  language  in  the sponsor  statement  as                                                               
offensive  and  questioned the  notion  of  the state  protecting                                                               
consumers.  She  offered  her  perspective  that  the  government                                                               
should stay out.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:43:07 PM                                                                                                                    
JEFF  HALL, representing  himself,  Palmer, Alaska,  said he's  a                                                               
homebuilder in  Palmer who  supports the  original version  of SB                                                               
189.  He maintained  that the  owner-builder exemption  should be                                                               
applied statewide.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:44:32 PM                                                                                                                    
PATRICK  DALTON, representing  himself,  Delta Junction,  Alaska,                                                               
expressed  concern that  SB 189  limits  a person's  free use  of                                                               
their private property  when it sets parameters on  when they can                                                               
sell  their home.  He questioned  the  broad application  because                                                               
many  people in  the organized  areas of  the state  are in  very                                                               
remote locations living  out the Alaskan dream  of building their                                                               
own home.  He concluded that  this matter should be  addressed at                                                               
the borough level.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:49:02 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE asked Mr. Ricci  to clarify that the unorganized                                                               
borough is no longer included in this exemption.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICCI  stated that the  limitation to selling one  home every                                                               
two years,  only applies  to construction in  a home  rule, first                                                               
class,  or  second class  borough  or  unified municipality.  The                                                               
additions to the exemption in  paragraph (12) only apply in those                                                               
specific areas.  Owners in  the unorganized  borough are  held to                                                               
existing statute.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MICCICHE summarized  that  licensing and  bonding are  a                                                               
state  responsibility  as  opposed  to building  codes  that  are                                                               
adopted by a municipality.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICCI  confirmed that the [Department  of Commerce, Community                                                               
and Economic Development (DCCED)]  does set licensing and bonding                                                               
requirements.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:50:55 PM                                                                                                                    
SARA CHAMBERS,  Director, Division of Corporations,  Business and                                                               
Professional  Licensing, Department  of  Commerce, Community  and                                                               
Economic Development  (DCCED), clarified for the  record that the                                                               
Department  of  Commerce,   Community  and  Economic  Development                                                               
(DCCED) handles licensing and bonding matters.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE  asked Ms.  Chambers to confirm  that this  is a                                                               
state agency.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.   CHAMBERS  explained   that   the  legislature   establishes                                                               
statewide   licensing   and   bonding  requirements   and   DCCED                                                               
implements these through regulations.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICCI,  responding to  a question  from the  Chair, confirmed                                                               
that the  CS was delivered to  committee members a few  hours ago                                                               
and it  was posted on  BASIS. Staff  was informed of  the changes                                                               
before Version O was released.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DUNLEAVY  found  no  further  questions  or  comments  and                                                               
solicited a motion.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:52:31 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE moved  to report CS for SB 189,  Version O, from                                                               
committee  with individual  recommendations  and attached  fiscal                                                               
note(s).                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DUNLEAVY announced  that without  objection CSSB  189(L&C)                                                               
moved from the Senate Labor & Commerce Standing Committee.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:53:13 PM                                                                                                                    
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              SB 193-CONTRACTORS: BONDS; LICENSING                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:54:35 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  DUNLEAVY   reconvened  the   meeting  and   announced  the                                                               
consideration of SB  193. "An Act relating to  bonds required for                                                               
contractors." This was the third hearing.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:54:39 PM                                                                                                                    
MINDY   ROWLAND,   Staff,    Senator   Micciche,   Alaska   State                                                               
Legislature,  Juneau, Alaska,  sponsor  of SB  193, reminded  the                                                               
committee that the bill increases  the bonding for contractors to                                                               
reflect inflation since the amounts  were set in the early 1980s.                                                               
Bonding amounts will be increased as follows:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
General contractors                                    $25,000                                                                  
Residential endorsement Contractors                    $20,000                                                                  
Mechanical or Specialty Contractors                    $10,000                                                                  
Handyman Contractors performing minimal work           $ 5,000                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
These  bonds provide  recourse for  consumers in  the event  of a                                                               
default or  faulty work, and  the Department of Law  supports the                                                               
increases.  She clarified  that the  handyman provision  does not                                                               
apply to  nonprofessional workers  and reported that  the sponsor                                                               
has heard no opposition to the bill.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DUNLEAVY opened public testimony.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:58:00 PM                                                                                                                    
JOHN  MACKINNON,  Executive   Director,  Association  of  General                                                               
Contractors of Alaska,  Anchorage, Alaska, described SB  193 as a                                                               
consumer protection bill that has  wide support among the various                                                               
construction  trade  associations  in   the  state.  It  provides                                                               
recourse for a  property owner when a  contractor doesn't perform                                                               
properly and  for a  vender when a  contractor doesn't  pay their                                                               
bill. The  bonding rates  were established in  1982 and  the bill                                                               
provides an inflation adjustment.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DUNLEAVY  closed  public  testimony.  Finding  no  further                                                               
questions or comments, he solicited a motion.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:59:59 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE  moved  to  report  SB  193,  Version  N,  from                                                               
committee  with individual  recommendations  and attached  fiscal                                                               
note(s).                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DUNLEAVY  announced that  without  objection,  SB 193  was                                                               
reported from the Senate Labor and Commerce Standing Committee.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:00:35 PM                                                                                                                    
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        HB 241-EXTEND BOARD OF MARITAL & FAMILY THERAPY                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:01:42 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  DUNLEAVY   reconvened  the   meeting  and   announced  the                                                               
consideration of HB  241. "An Act extending  the termination date                                                               
of the Board of Marital and  Family Therapy; and providing for an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:01:46 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  LORA REINBOLD,  Alaska State  Legislature Juneau,                                                               
Alaska,  sponsor of  HB 241,  stated  that the  bill extends  the                                                               
termination  date of  the  Board of  Marital  and Family  Therapy                                                               
(BMFT) until June 30, 2018, based  on an audit by the Division of                                                               
Legislative Audit.  The auditors reviewed the  activities of this                                                               
board and  concluded that the  board should be extended  for just                                                               
four  years because  the board  did not  fully address  two audit                                                               
recommendations  in   the  previous   sunset  audit.   The  first                                                               
recommendation was to develop a  strategy to address the need for                                                               
distance   therapy   and   distance   supervision.   The   second                                                               
recommendation was for  the Office of the Governor  and the board                                                               
to work together  to fill vacant board seats in  a timely manner.                                                               
Working with  the Department  of Law,  the board  determined that                                                               
any  changes to  the  distance therapy  and distance  supervision                                                               
must  be  made statutorily.  The  board  is working  on  drafting                                                               
legislation  to  address  this  issue   and  it  will  likely  be                                                               
introduced next  legislative session. The Office  of the Governor                                                               
has also appointed members to the vacant seats.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD  stated that the Division  of Legislative                                                               
Audit made a  new recommendation for the  Department of Commerce,                                                               
Community and  Economic Development  (DCCED) to  continue efforts                                                               
to  improve the  investigative case  management system  integrity                                                               
and confidentiality. She concluded that  the Board of Marital and                                                               
Family Therapy  is operating in  the best interest of  the public                                                               
to protect and promote public  health, welfare, and the safety of                                                               
Alaskans.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:04:07 PM                                                                                                                    
KRIS  CURTIS, Legislative  Auditor,  Legislative Audit  Division,                                                               
Legislative  Agencies and  Offices, Juneau,  Alaska, stated  that                                                               
the agency conducted an audit of  the Board of Marital and Family                                                               
Therapy and issued  a report on June 2013.  The primary objective                                                               
was to determine  whether the board is operating  in the public's                                                               
interest and  should be  extended. The  audit concluded  that the                                                               
board  is  serving  in  the   public's  interest  by  effectively                                                               
licensing  and  regulating  marital  and  family  therapists  and                                                               
recommended a  four-year extension.  This is  less than  the full                                                               
eight-year  statutory  limit  because  the board  has  not  fully                                                               
addressed  a prior  recommendation to  pursue regulatory  changes                                                               
necessary to protect the public's interest.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
She  said  that while  the  board  had initiated  one  regulatory                                                               
revision, it had not addressed  the need for distance therapy and                                                               
distance   supervision.  Because   marital  and   family  therapy                                                               
services are not  available in many areas of  the state, distance                                                               
therapy and distance  supervision are viewed as  solutions to the                                                               
lack  of  local  services.  During the  audit  period  the  board                                                               
extensively researched  and discussed the topic,  but made little                                                               
progress moving beyond the discussion  phase. The audit therefore                                                               
recommends that the board develop  a strategy to address the need                                                               
for these services.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
The  audit  also  includes two  additional  recommendations.  The                                                               
first is  for the Office  of the Governor  and the board  to work                                                               
together to  fill vacant board  seats. The  second recommendation                                                               
is for  the director  of the  Division of  Corporations, Business                                                               
and  Professional Licensing  to continue  efforts to  improve the                                                               
case management  system integrity and confidentiality.  She noted                                                               
that  this  same   recommendation  is  being  made   in  all  the                                                               
occupational board sunset audits for 2013.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. CURTIS stated that the  division's case management system was                                                               
purchased  with  the expectation  that  it  would be  immediately                                                               
functional  but this  has not  been the  case. DCCED  has pursued                                                               
improvements and  the audit recommendation  is to  continue those                                                               
improvements.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR    MICCICHE   asked    who   reconciles    findings   and                                                               
recommendations with  completions because he is  noticing a trend                                                               
of repeat recommendations.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS CURTIS  replied there  is no  statutory requirement  to follow                                                               
up, but the systematic problems  related to division support will                                                               
be monitored every year.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE asked if there is a way to query findings.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS  CURTIS replied  there is  no  way to  query the  status of  a                                                               
recommendation,  but   the  audit   division  has   compiled  the                                                               
recommendations for the  last two years by  department. These are                                                               
presented at  finance meetings  at the request  of the  chair and                                                               
the division  hopes to  put them online  so they're  available to                                                               
legislators.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE  asked if  an audit has  ever determined  that a                                                               
board or commission is no longer serving a public purpose.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS CURTIS answered yes.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DUNLEAVY asked the sponsor to speak to the fiscal note.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD deferred to her staff.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CRYSTAL  KIENEMAN, Staff,  Representative  Lora Reinbold,  Alaska                                                               
State Legislature,  Juneau, Alaska,  stated that the  fiscal note                                                               
shows an  annual request of  $7,700 for board meeting  travel per                                                               
diem. The analysis section was revised  in the other body to show                                                               
a summary  of the  board's true  revenues and  expenditures since                                                               
they weren't included in the operating line expenditures.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DUNLEAVY asked  her to review the analysis  of revenues and                                                               
expenditures.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. KOENEMAN reported  that the board revenues for  FY12 and FY13                                                               
were $63,165  and the  expenditures were  $85,197, resulted  in a                                                               
biennium deficit  of $22,030. However, the  cumulative surplus is                                                               
$112,195 because there was a  carry forward balance from previous                                                               
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE questioned why a  board surplus isn't zeroed out                                                               
through the budgeting process.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. KOENEMAN deferred the question.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DUNLEAVY asked Ms. Chambers to address the question.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:12:01 PM                                                                                                                    
SARA CHAMBERS,  Director, Division of Corporations,  Business and                                                               
Professional  Licensing, Department  of  Commerce, Community  and                                                               
Economic   Development  (DCCED),   explained   that  boards   and                                                               
commissions  within Title  8 are  allowed to  roll forward  their                                                               
surplus  or  deficit  as  a byproduct  of  the  approximation  of                                                               
licensing fees required in AS 08.01.065.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DUNLEAVY  opened and closed public  testimony and solicited                                                               
a motion.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:13:38 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE moved  to  report HB  242  from committee  with                                                               
individual recommendations and attached fiscal note(s).                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DUNLEAVY  announced  that  without objection  HB  242  was                                                               
reported from the Senate Labor & Commerce Standing Committee.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:13:58 PM                                                                                                                    
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         HB 239-EXTEND BOARD OF EXAMINERS IN OPTOMETRY                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:14:47 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  DUNLEAVY   reconvened  the   meeting  and   announced  the                                                               
consideration of HB  239. "An Act extending  the termination date                                                               
of  the Board  of Examiners  in Optometry;  and providing  for an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:14:51 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  REINBOLD,   Alaska  State   Legislature,  Juneau,                                                               
Alaska, sponsor of  HB 239, explained that this  bill extends the                                                               
Board  of  Examiners  in  Optometry  until  June  30,  2020.  She                                                               
deferred further explanation to Ms. Curtis.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:15:55 PM                                                                                                                    
KRIS  CURTIS, Legislative  Auditor,  Legislative Audit  Division,                                                               
Legislative  Agencies and  Offices, Juneau,  Alaska, stated  that                                                               
the  audit division  conducted a  sunset review  of the  Board of                                                               
Examiners in  Optometry. The primary  objective was  to determine                                                               
whether  it  is serving  the  public's  interest and  whether  it                                                               
should be extended. The overall  conclusion was that the board is                                                               
serving  the  public's  interest  by  effectively  licensing  and                                                               
regulating  optometrists. The  recommendation  is  to extend  the                                                               
termination date the maximum eight  years. One recommendation for                                                               
improvement, which  is directed to  the Director of  the Division                                                               
of  Corporations,  Business  and Professional  Licensing,  is  to                                                               
continue  efforts to  improve the  investigative case  management                                                               
system integrity and confidentiality.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DUNLEAVY opened  and closed  public testimony.  Finding no                                                               
further questions or comments, he solicited a motion.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:17:06 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE moved  to  report HB  239  from committee  with                                                               
individual recommendations and attached fiscal note(s).                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DUNLEAVY  announced  that  without objection  HB  239  was                                                               
reported from the Senate Labor & Commerce Standing Committee.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
         HB 240-EXTEND BOARD OF CHIROPRACTIC EXAMINERS                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:17:24 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNLEAVY  announced the  consideration of  HB 240.  "An Act                                                               
extending  the  termination date  of  the  Board of  Chiropractic                                                               
Examiners; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:17:38 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE LORA  REINBOLD, Alaska State  Legislature, Juneau,                                                               
Alaska, sponsor of  HB 240, explained that this  bill extends the                                                               
termination  date of  the Board  of Chiropractic  Examiners until                                                               
June 30, 2020. She deferred further explanation to Ms. Curtis.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:18:08 PM                                                                                                                    
KRIS  CURTIS, Legislative  Auditor,  Legislative Audit  Division,                                                               
Legislative  Agencies and  Offices, Juneau,  Alaska, stated  that                                                               
the  audit division  conducted a  sunset review  of the  Board of                                                               
Chiropractic  Examiners.  The  main objective  was  to  determine                                                               
whether the  board is serving  the public's interest  and whether                                                               
its  termination date  should be  extended.  The audit  concluded                                                               
that the  board is serving  the public's interest  by effectively                                                               
licensing and regulating chiropractors.  The recommendation is to                                                               
extend the termination  date the maximum eight  years provided in                                                               
statute. The audit makes two  recommendations for improving board                                                               
operations. The first is to the  Office of the Governor to ensure                                                               
the  statutory  requirements for  board  members  are met  before                                                               
appointment.  The audit  found  that the  public  member of  this                                                               
board  is a  licensed  pharmacist, yet  statute prohibits  public                                                               
board  members from  having a  direct financial  interest in  the                                                               
health  care  industry.  The   second  recommendation,  which  is                                                               
directed  to  the  Director  of  the  Division  of  Corporations,                                                               
Business and  Professional Licensing,  is to continue  efforts to                                                               
improve the  investigative case  management system  integrity and                                                               
confidentiality.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DUNLEAVY commented on the  appointment of a pharmacist as a                                                               
public member to the board.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS CURTIS  said she believes  that the prohibition from  having a                                                               
direct  interest in  the  health  care industry  is  so that  the                                                               
member will represent the consumer  perspective as opposed to the                                                               
business perspective.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DUNLEAVY closed public testimony and solicited a motion.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:19:58 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE moved  to  report HB  240  from committee  with                                                               
individual recommendations and attached fiscal note(s).                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DUNLEAVY announced  that  without objection  HB 240  moved                                                               
from the Senate Labor & Commerce Standing Committee.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
         HB 242-EXTEND PT & OCCUPATIONAL THERAPY BOARD                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:20:21 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNLEAVY  announced the  consideration of  HB 242.  "An Act                                                               
extending the termination date of  the State Physical Therapy and                                                               
Occupational  Therapy  Board;  and  providing  for  an  effective                                                               
date."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:20:28 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE LORA  REINBOLD, Alaska State  Legislature, Juneau,                                                               
Alaska, sponsor of  HB 242, explained that this  bill extends the                                                               
termination date  of the Physical and  Occupational Therapy Board                                                               
until  June 30,  2022. She  deferred further  explanation to  Ms.                                                               
Curtis.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:21:06 PM                                                                                                                    
KRIS  CURTIS, Legislative  Auditor,  Legislative Audit  Division,                                                               
Legislative  Agencies and  Offices, Juneau,  Alaska, stated  that                                                               
the  audit division  conducted  an audit  of  the state  Physical                                                               
Therapy and Occupational Therapy Board  and issued a report dated                                                               
June 2013. The purpose of the  audit was to determine whether the                                                               
agency  is operating  in the  public's interest  and whether  its                                                               
termination date should be extended.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
The  audit  concluded that  the  board  is serving  the  public's                                                               
interest  by   effectively  licensing  and   regulating  physical                                                               
therapists,    physical    therapy    assistants,    occupational                                                               
therapists,  and occupational  therapy  assistants. The  division                                                               
recommended  the  board  be  extended  the  maximum  eight  years                                                               
provided in statute. The one  recommendation directs the Director                                                               
of  the  Division  of  Corporations,  Business  and  Professional                                                               
Licensing to  continue efforts to improve  the investigative case                                                               
management system integrity and confidentiality.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE  asked what  the plan  is for  the investigative                                                               
case  management  system  integrity and  confidentiality  because                                                               
it's obviously a common issue.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CURTIS   recalled  that  the  director's   response  to  the                                                               
recommendation was that  the division is working  with the vender                                                               
to implement improvements to the system.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE asked if it's a firewall issue.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. CURTIS  explained that there were  conversion, reporting, and                                                               
security problems  when the new  system was implemented  in 2010.                                                               
Additionally,  there are  issues with  being able  to view  other                                                               
folk's  cases and  investigators reported  the system  freezes up                                                               
and loses information.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DUNLEAVY  opened and closed public  testimony and solicited                                                               
a motion.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:23:19 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE moved  to  report HB  242  from committee  with                                                               
individual recommendations and attached fiscal note(s).                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DUNLEAVY  announced  that  without objection  HB  242  was                                                               
reported from the Senate Labor & Commerce Standing Committee.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                   HB 302-PUBLIC ACCOUNTANTS                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:23:41 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNLEAVY  announced the  consideration of  HB 302.  "An Act                                                               
relating to rules  of professional conduct for  the profession of                                                               
public accounting."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:24:18 PM                                                                                                                    
LYNETTE  BERGH,  Staff,  Representative  Steve  Thompson,  Alaska                                                               
State  Legislature,  Juneau,  Alaska,  stated  that  HB  302  was                                                               
drafted in  response to  the Alaska  Board of  Public Accountancy                                                               
(BPA) FY13  annual report recommendations. The  bill addresses AS                                                               
08.04.080, the  professional rules of conduct  for the profession                                                               
of public accounting.  This section of the statute  sets the time                                                               
that the  BPA must notice the  adoption of any rule  or amendment                                                               
and the effective  date to the holder of a  license or permit. It                                                               
amends the number  of days for noticing from 60  days to 30 days,                                                               
which is  in line with  the statutory guidelines of  the Division                                                               
of Corporations, Business, and Professional Licensing.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:26:18 PM                                                                                                                    
KAREN  TARVER,   Chair,  Alaska  Board  of   Public  Accountancy,                                                               
introduced herself and offered to answer questions.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE asked why this matters.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  TARVER  replied it's  a  housekeeping  matter to  align  the                                                               
board's regulations and the division's regulations.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:26:56 PM                                                                                                                    
At Ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:27:32 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNLEAVY reconvened the meeting.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEDMAN  summarized that  this aligns board  and division                                                               
requirements.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. TARVER  agreed; the differences  came to light in  the annual                                                               
report.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DUNLEAVY  opened and closed public  testimony and solicited                                                               
a motion.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:27:59 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE  moved to report the  CS for HB 302,  Version C,                                                               
from  committee  with  individual  recommendations  and  attached                                                               
fiscal note(s).                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DUNLEAVY  announced that  without objection,  CSHB 302(L&C)                                                               
was  reported  from  the  Senate   Labor  and  Commerce  Standing                                                               
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:28:17 PM                                                                                                                    
There being  no further  business to  come before  the committee,                                                               
Chair  Dunleavy adjourned  the Senate  Labor &  Commerce Standing                                                               
Committee meeting at 2:28 p.m.