ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE JUDICIARY STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         April 5, 2024                                                                                          
                           1:35 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Matt Claman, Chair                                                                                                      
Senator Jesse Kiehl, Vice Chair                                                                                                 
Senator James Kaufman                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Cathy Giessel                                                                                                           
Senator Löki Tobin                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 134                                                                                                             
"An Act relating to insurance data security; amending Rule 26,                                                                  
Alaska Rules of Civil Procedure, and Rules 402 and 501, Alaska                                                                  
Rules of Evidence; and providing for an effective date."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 3(JUD) AM                                                                                     
Encouraging Congress to pass the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act                                                                
or a similar bill.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED SCS CSHJR 3(JUD) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 134                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: INS. DATA SECURITY; INFO. SECURITY PRGRMS                                                                          
SPONSOR(s): SENATOR(s) KAUFMAN                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
04/21/23       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
04/21/23       (S)       L&C, JUD, FIN                                                                                          
02/05/24       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
02/05/24       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/05/24       (S)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
02/16/24       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
02/16/24       (S)       Moved CSSB 134(L&C) Out of Committee                                                                   
02/16/24       (S)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
02/19/24       (S)       L&C RPT CS 3DP   SAME TITLE                                                                            
02/19/24       (S)       DP: BJORKMAN, DUNBAR, BISHOP                                                                           
02/19/24       (S)       FIN REFERRAL REMOVED                                                                                   
03/18/24       (S)       JUD AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
03/18/24       (S)       <Bill Hearing Rescheduled to 03/20/24>                                                                 
03/20/24       (S)       JUD AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
03/20/24       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/20/24       (S)       MINUTE(JUD)                                                                                            
04/05/24       (S)       JUD AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HJR  3                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: CONCEALED HANDGUN RECIPROCITY B/W STATES                                                                           
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) RAUSCHER                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
02/01/23       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/01/23       (H)       JUD, STA                                                                                               
02/10/23       (H)       JUD AT 1:30 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
02/10/23       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/10/23       (H)       MINUTE(JUD)                                                                                            
02/17/23       (H)       JUD AT 1:30 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
02/17/23       (H)       Moved CSHJR 3(JUD) Out of Committee                                                                    
02/17/23       (H)       MINUTE(JUD)                                                                                            
02/20/23       (H)       JUD RPT CS(JUD) 3DP 4NR                                                                                
02/20/23       (H)       DP: C.JOHNSON, GROH, VANCE                                                                             
02/20/23       (H)       NR: CARPENTER, EASTMAN, GRAY, ALLARD                                                                   
02/28/23       (H)       STA AT 3:00 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
02/28/23       (H)       Scheduled but Not Heard                                                                                
03/02/23       (H)       STA AT 3:00 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
03/02/23       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/02/23       (H)       MINUTE(STA)                                                                                            
03/14/23       (H)       STA AT 3:00 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
03/14/23       (H)       Moved CSHJR 3(JUD) Out of Committee                                                                    
03/14/23       (H)       MINUTE(STA)                                                                                            
03/17/23       (H)       STA RPT CS(JUD) 5DP 1AM                                                                                
03/17/23       (H)       DP:    ALLARD,     WRIGHT,    C.JOHNSON,                                                               
                        CARPENTER, SHAW                                                                                         
03/17/23       (H)       AM: STORY                                                                                              
04/14/23       (H)       DIVIDE THE AMENDMENT PASSED Y24 N15 E1                                                                 
04/19/23       (H)       TRANSMITTED TO (S)                                                                                     
04/19/23       (H)       VERSION: CSHJR 3(JUD) AM                                                                               
04/21/23       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
04/21/23       (S)       STA, JUD                                                                                               
05/04/23       (S)       STA AT 3:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
05/04/23       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
05/04/23       (S)       MINUTE(STA)                                                                                            
05/06/23       (S)       STA AT 9:00 AM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
05/06/23       (S)       Scheduled but Not Heard                                                                                
05/06/23       (S)       STA AT 3:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
05/06/23       (S)       -- Public Testimony <Time Limit May Be                                                                 
                         Set> --                                                                                                
05/12/23       (S)       STA REFERRAL WAIVED                                                                                    
03/20/24       (S)       JUD AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
03/20/24       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/20/24       (S)       MINUTE(JUD)                                                                                            
03/25/24       (S)       JUD AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
03/25/24       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/25/24       (S)       MINUTE(JUD)                                                                                            
04/05/24       (S)       JUD AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BREANNA KAKARUK, Staff                                                                                                          
Senator Matt Claman                                                                                                             
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented the explanation of changes for SB                                                               
134 from version S to version R.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
LORI WING-HEIER, Director                                                                                                       
Division of Insurance                                                                                                           
Department of Commerce, Community & Economic Development                                                                        
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions during the discussion of                                                               
SB 134.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
BREANNA KAKARUK, Staff                                                                                                          
Senator Matt Claman                                                                                                             
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented the explanation of changes for HJR                                                              
3 from version S to R.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:35:01 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MATT CLAMAN called the Senate Judiciary Standing Committee                                                              
meeting to order at 1:35 p.m. Present at the call to order were                                                                 
Senators Kiehl, Kaufman, and Chair Claman.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
        SB 134-INS. DATA SECURITY; INFO. SECURITY PRGRMS                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
             [CSSB 134(L&C) was before the Senate.]                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:35:36 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN announced  the consideration of SENATE  BILL NO. 134                                                               
"An Act  relating to insurance  data security; amending  Rule 26,                                                               
Alaska Rules  of Civil Procedure,  and Rules 402 and  501, Alaska                                                               
Rules of Evidence; and providing for an effective date."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  said this is  the second hearing  of SB 134  in the                                                               
Senate Judiciary  Committee. The  bill sponsor  requested changes                                                               
to  the  bill  and  the  intention is  to  consider  a  committee                                                               
substitute (CS). He  invited Ms. Kakaruk to  identify herself for                                                               
the record and explain the changes.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:36:15 PM                                                                                                                    
BREANNA  KAKARUK,  Staff,  Senator   Matt  Claman,  Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature,  Juneau,   Alaska,  presented  the   explanation  of                                                               
changes for SB 134 from version S to R:                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
       Summary of Changes for SB 134  Bill Version S to R                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Structural Change                                                                                                        
     All  sections of  the bill  moved from  AS 21.96  to AS                                                                    
     21.23. The Legal Services Division  felt that the topic                                                                    
     of the bill  would fit better under  Risk Management in                                                                    
     Alaska Statute.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
       Throughout the bill, changes all references of 72                                                                        
     hours to 3 business days instead.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     All Changes are in Section 1                                                                                             
        • Page 1, Lines 7-14                                                                                                  
          • Adds a new section, Purpose and Construction,                                                                       
             establishing an exclusivity standard.                                                                              
        • Page 2, Lines 1-5                                                                                                   
          • Adds clarifying language regarding the scope of                                                                     
             the risk assessment.                                                                                               
        • Page 4, Lines 1-4                                                                                                   
          • Adds clarifying language to ensure due                                                                              
             diligence of licensees when using externally                                                                       
             developed applications.                                                                                            
        • Page 5, Lines 2-9                                                                                                   
          • Adds clarifying language regarding access to                                                                        
             encrypted nonpublic information.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:37:27 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. KAKARUK continued the explanation of changes for SB 134                                                                     
from version S to R:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
        • Page 8, Lines 8-10                                                                                                  
          • Changes "law enforcement official" to be                                                                            
             exclusively of federal law enforcement. There                                                                      
             were concerns that law enforcement would be too                                                                    
             broad.                                                                                                             
        • Page 8, Lines 25-26                                                                                                 
          • Adds clarifying language regarding notification                                                                     
             to the director by licensees.                                                                                      
        • Page 10, Lines 27-29                                                                                                
          • Provides reporting requirement exemptions for                                                                       
             assuming insurers with exceptions.                                                                                 
        • Page 11, Lines 9-23                                                                                                 
          • Clarifies reporting requirements regarding                                                                          
             insurers and insurance producers.                                                                                  
        • Pages 14-16                                                                                                         
          • Clarifies some definitions. Of note, the                                                                            
             definition of "non-public information" is                                                                          
             expanded upon.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:38:28 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  referred to page  4, recalling that  past practice                                                               
required  procedures  for   evaluating,  assessing,  and  testing                                                               
third-party  applications.  He  expressed  his  belief  that  the                                                               
proposed CS requires only "testing"  and requested an explanation                                                               
for  the   removal  of  "evaluating   and  assessing"   from  the                                                               
procedure.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:39:10 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KAUFMAN  commented that he  would defer to  the expertise                                                               
of Ms.  Wing-Heier as  the committee proceeds  to delve  into the                                                               
specifics of  SB 134. He  replied, speaking broadly, many  of the                                                               
changes in the bill  concern practical implementation, tightening                                                               
where   possible,   and   recognizing  the   realities   of   the                                                               
marketplace,  including  how   contractors  are  managed  through                                                               
contracts. He deferred to Ms. Wing-Heier to further elaborate.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:39:57 PM                                                                                                                    
LORI WING-HEIER,  Director, Division of Insurance,  Department of                                                               
Commerce,  Community &  Economic Development,  Anchorage, Alaska,                                                               
stated  that  the  pared  down  language  was  the  result  of  a                                                               
compromise with  industry. Originally, the language  was probably                                                               
a bit  more stringent. She  recalled that industry wanted  to use                                                               
the term  "to safeguard," but  in discussions with  the sponsor's                                                               
staff,  it  was  determined  that   the  phrase  implied  passive                                                               
protection rather than  active testing and risk  assessment. As a                                                               
result, the CS pares the  language down to testing. The reasoning                                                               
was that  if testing  was required,  it would  inherently involve                                                               
prior procedures and  processes. She reiterated that  she nor the                                                               
bill sponsor agreed to the use of the term "to safeguard."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:41:08 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  sought confirmation  that, as  a direct  result of                                                               
requiring  testing,  procedures  for  assessment  and  evaluation                                                               
would  inherently follow.  He restated  that a  third-party would                                                               
have to assess  and evaluate the system to  determine what should                                                               
be tested.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. WING-HEIER  affirmed that was  her logic. She  explained that                                                               
testing was  the stronger of  the original terms and  would still                                                               
provide a fairly good level of protection.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:41:29 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL referred  to subsection (h) on page 10,  lines 27 -                                                               
29,  and  requested  that  she walk  the  committee  through  the                                                               
difference between an assuming insurer and a ceding insurer.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WING-HEIER  replied  that  an  assuming  insurer  could  be,                                                               
perhaps,  a front-end  company that  takes on  risk on  behalf of                                                               
another   insurer  in   commercial  transactions.   She  used   a                                                               
hypothetical example  to explain  the terminology. If  an Alaskan                                                               
insurer such  as Alaska National  [Insurance Company]  was unable                                                               
to meet  the required coverage  limits for a huge  property risk,                                                               
another insurer  might step in  and quote a share,  thus becoming                                                               
the assuming insurer.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WING-HEIER  stated  that  while  the  arrangement  functions                                                               
somewhat  like   reinsurance,  the  structure  can   differ.  The                                                               
assuming  insurer assumes  a risk  and the  ceding insurer  still                                                               
appears in  the documentation. She  noted that the  division sees                                                               
these   types   of    arrangements   frequently   in   commercial                                                               
transactions but not in personal lines of insurance.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:42:58 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL sought confirmation  that the assuming insurer does                                                               
not have the notice obligations with this change.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. WING-HEIER  confirmed that is  correct. The  insurer actually                                                               
holding the risk  would have the obligation to  provide notice to                                                               
the division.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:43:18 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN  followed up to  clarify which party would  have the                                                               
obligation to notify the division.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. WING-HEIER affirmed the clarification.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:43:47 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  referred to  the exemptions  in subsection  (k) on                                                               
page 11, lines 18   23. He  noted that the proposed CS exempts an                                                               
insurer from notifying an insurance  producer if "the producer is                                                               
not authorized by law or  contract to sell, solicit, or negotiate                                                               
on behalf  of the  insurer." He  asked why  the CS  includes this                                                               
exemption if the  producer is not authorized  to conduct business                                                               
for the insurer.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:44:33 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  WING-HEIER reviewed  subsection (j)  before responding.  She                                                               
explained  the  requirement in  subsection  (j)  by presenting  a                                                               
hypothetical  in which  State Farm  is the  insurer. The  insurer                                                               
shall notify an  insurance producer, the local  captive agent, if                                                               
a  cybersecurity event  occurred or  is suspected.  She explained                                                               
that  these producers  use the  insurer's  computer systems,  not                                                               
their own.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WING-HEIER turned  to subsection  (k),  explaining that  the                                                               
insurer is exempt  from notifying the insurance  producer if "the                                                               
producer is not  authorized by law or contract  to sell, solicit,                                                               
or negotiate  on behalf  of the  insurer." She  noted it  is very                                                               
common  in Alaska  for agencies  to represent  multiple carriers,                                                               
stating  that Allstate  allows insurance  producers to  represent                                                               
other carriers.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. WING-HEIER described a scenario  in which an individual works                                                               
in an Allstate  agency but is licensed to  represent consumers of                                                               
Alaska  National [Insurance  Company],  not Allstate.  In such  a                                                               
case, if  a breach  occurred at  Allstate, the  insurance company                                                               
would  not  be required  to  notify  the  individual who  is  not                                                               
licensed to  sell Allstate products,  even if that  person shares                                                               
an office with someone who is.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:46:00 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  sought confirmation  that the insurer  would still                                                               
have  to  notify the  appropriate  individuals  who represent  it                                                               
within the office.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WING-HEIER  answered  in  the  affirmative,  differentiating                                                               
those from individuals the insurer has not licensed.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:46:24 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KAUFMAN  briefly described the process  SB 134 underwent,                                                               
stating it  is a technical  bill. He said  that he worked  from a                                                               
matrix  of   conditions,  proposals,   statuses,  along   with  a                                                               
spreadsheet to  track how each element  interrelated. He remarked                                                               
that it  was quite  a project  and found  it interesting  to work                                                               
through  its  many  intricacies.  He  expressed  appreciation  to                                                               
Ms. Wing-Heier   for  her   capable  assistance   throughout  the                                                               
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:47:00 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN  stated that SB  134 is model legislation.  He asked                                                               
about the group and model provisions the bill was based on.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WING-HEIER  replied  that it  was  National  Association  of                                                               
Insurance  Commissioners  (NAIC)  Model  [668],  which  has  been                                                               
adopted by  23 states. She said  the change was pursued  not only                                                               
because  it was  beneficial, but  also in  response to  a warning                                                               
from  the federal  government  that  if states  did  not act,  it                                                               
would.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:47:37 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  CLAMAN confirmed  the association  was  NAIC and  re-asked                                                               
about the model number.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:47:40 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. WING-HEIER  expressed her  belief that  the model  number was                                                               
[668] but said she would confirm.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:47:46 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN asked whether SB 134  had a House companion bill. He                                                               
further  asked, from  the  Division  of Insurance's  perspective,                                                               
whether  the  legislature  should  seek to  pass  the  bill  this                                                               
session or  if deferring action  until the next session  would be                                                               
acceptable.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:48:15 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. WING-HEIER replied  that she would appreciate  the passage of                                                               
SB 134  this session,  in part  due to  concern that  the federal                                                               
government  may impose  its  own requirements  on  Alaska if  the                                                               
state does  not act.  She said  Representative Stapp  is carrying                                                               
House companion  bill [HB  324]. She noted  that the  bill passed                                                               
out of  the House Labor and  Commerce Committee and is  headed to                                                               
the House Judiciary Committee.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:48:58 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KAUFMAN expressed appreciation  to everyone who worked on                                                               
SB 134.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:49:14 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN  stated that during  his legislative career,  he had                                                               
carried  several   different  model  acts  and   appreciates  the                                                               
importance of this type of detailed work.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WING-HEIER  reiterated  that  she would  confirm  the  model                                                               
number.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:49:48 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN solicited a motion.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:49:51 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  moved to adopt  the committee substitute  (CS) for                                                               
SB 134, work order 33-LS0253\R, as the working document.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:50:03 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN found  no objection and CSSB 134 was  adopted as the                                                               
working document.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:50:11 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN held SB 134 in committee.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. WING-HEIER said the correct model number is 668.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN reiterated the correct model number is 668.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
        HJR  3-CONCEALED HANDGUN RECIPROCITY B/W STATES                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:50:42 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN  announced the consideration  of CS FOR  HOUSE JOINT                                                               
RESOLUTION  NO.  3(JUD)  am  Encouraging  Congress  to  pass  the                                                               
Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act or a similar bill.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN said  this is  the third  hearing of  HJR 3  in the                                                               
Senate Judiciary Committee. There  is a proposed Senate committee                                                               
substitute. He  invited Ms. Kakaruk  to put herself on  record to                                                               
explain the changes.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:51:34 PM                                                                                                                    
BREANNA  KAKARUK,  Staff,  Senator   Matt  Claman,  Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature,  Juneau,   Alaska,  presented  the   explanation  of                                                               
changes for HJR 3 from version S to R:                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                    House Joint Resolution 3                                                                                  
                     Explanation of Changes                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
       Senate Judiciary Committee: Version S to Version R                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     The  CS  for  House   Joint  Resolution  3  (Judiciary)                                                                    
     version R makes conforming changes  to version S of the                                                                    
     resolution. These  changes include updating  the states                                                                    
     currently  providing  reciprocity for  concealed  carry                                                                    
     permits issued  in other states to  20 states including                                                                    
     the  State  of  Alaska,   updating  the  resolution  to                                                                    
     address the  118th Congress,  and updating  the Speaker                                                                    
     of the U.S. House of Representatives to Mike Johnson.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:52:12 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN solicited a motion.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:52:16 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL moved to adopt the Senate committee substitute                                                                    
(SCS) for CSHJR 3, work order 33-LS0159/R, as the working                                                                       
document.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:52:32 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN found no objection and SCS CSHJR 3 was adopted as                                                                  
the working document.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:52:57 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN solicited the will of the committee.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:52:59 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL moved to report SCS CSHJR 3, 33-LS0159\R, from                                                                    
committee with individual recommendations.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL objected.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:53:15 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN invited Senator Kiehl to speak to his objection.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:53:29 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL said HJR 3 is too problematic to support moving                                                                   
forward. He asserted that the resolution runs counter to what                                                                   
the Alaska State Legislature generally stands for.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL  explained  that  HJR   3  calls  on  the  federal                                                               
government  not  only to  supersede  Alaska's  laws with  federal                                                               
laws, but to allow the  legislatures of other states to supersede                                                               
Alaska laws. He noted that  the federal legislation referenced in                                                               
HJR 3 would  allow any state to  lower its standards for  who may                                                               
carry a  concealed weapon, and  if enacted, would  require Alaska                                                               
to accept those lower standards.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL   stated  that  this  approach   undermines  state                                                               
authority  and the  Alaska State  Constitution,  which vests  the                                                               
power over  such matters with  the Alaska State  Legislature, not                                                               
with Montana, Texas, or Wyoming.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL  said   it  is  important  to  note   that  HJR  3                                                               
potentially poses  threats to Alaska's  public safety.  The state                                                               
has  laws   governing  where  individuals  can   carry  concealed                                                               
weapons,  and  those  restrictions  exist  for  important  public                                                               
safety reasons.  He emphasized that  alcohol and firearms  do not                                                               
mix,  noting that  he had  taught  this principle  many times  in                                                               
hunter  education classes.  He pointed  out that  it is  legal to                                                               
carry a concealed weapon in a  bar in some states. He pointed out                                                               
that HJR  3 calls on  Congress to pass federal  legislation which                                                               
only includes certain carve-outs,  but carrying concealed weapons                                                               
in a bar is not one of them.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL  recommended firmly that committee  members vote no                                                               
on HJR 3.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:55:24 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN found  the objection was maintained and  asked for a                                                               
roll call vote.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken.  Senators Kaufman and Claman voted in                                                               
favor of reporting  SCS CSHJR 3 from committee  and Senator Kiehl                                                               
voted against it. The vote was 2:1.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN announced a vote of 2 yeas and 1 nay.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  reported the  bill out.  There being  no objection,                                                               
SCS  CSHJR 3(JUD)  was reported  from  Senate Judiciary  Standing                                                               
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:56:19 PM                                                                                                                    
There being  no further  business to  come before  the committee,                                                               
Chair Claman  adjourned the  Senate Judiciary  Standing Committee                                                               
meeting at 1:56 p.m.