ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON ENERGY                                                                              
                        February 3, 2015                                                                                        
                           10:17 a.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Jim Colver, Co-Chair                                                                                             
Representative Liz Vazquez, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Benjamin Nageak                                                                                                  
Representative David Talerico                                                                                                   
Representative Cathy Tilton                                                                                                     
Representative Matt Claman                                                                                                      
Representative Adam Wool                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION:  INSTITUTE OF THE NORTH                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 8                                                                                                    
Urging the federal government to empower the state to protect                                                                   
the state's access to affordable and reliable electrical                                                                        
generation.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HJR  8                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: FEDS ALLOW STATE TO MAKE ENERGY CHOICES                                                                            
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) TALERICO                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
01/23/15       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/23/15       (H)       ENE, RES                                                                                               
02/03/15       (H)       ENE AT 10:15 AM CAPITOL 17                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
NILS ANDREASSEN, Executive Director                                                                                             
Institute of the North                                                                                                          
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Provided  a  PowerPoint  presentation  on                                                             
various  Institute of  the North  activities, including  the 2013                                                               
Arctic Energy Summit.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
JOSHUA BANKS, Staff                                                                                                             
Representative Dave Talerico                                                                                                    
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION   STATEMENT:      Introduced   HJR  8   on   behalf   of                                                             
Representative Talerico, prime sponsor.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:17:08 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JIM COLVER called the  House Special Committee on Energy                                                             
meeting  to  order  at  10:17  a.m.    Representatives  Talerico,                                                               
Tilton, Claman,  Wool, Vazquez,  and Colver  were present  at the                                                               
call to order.  Representative  Nageak arrived as the meeting was                                                               
in progress.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION:  INSTITUTE OF THE NORTH                                                                                          
             PRESENTATION:  INSTITUTE OF THE NORTH                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:18:37 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR COLVER announced that the  first order of business would                                                               
be  a  presentation  by   Nils  Andreassen,  Executive  Director,                                                               
Institute of the North.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:18:40 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
NILS  ANDREASSEN, Executive  Director,  Institute  of the  North,                                                               
began  his presentation  with a  review of  Arctic energy  issues                                                               
derived from policy tours and  energy summits hosted by Institute                                                               
of  the  North  ("Institute").     Mr.  Andreassen  informed  the                                                               
committee  the  Institute  is  the  center  for  Alaska's  Arctic                                                               
policy.  The Institute's vision  is:  Effective land and resource                                                               
governance resulting in individual  and collective prosperity - a                                                               
vision that  began with founder  former Governor  Hickel's belief                                                               
in Alaska  as an owner-state.   The  Institute's mission is:   To                                                               
inform public policy  and cultivate an engaged  citizenry - which                                                               
is focused  on understanding and conveying  the opportunities and                                                               
obligations  of  the Arctic.    To  accomplish its  mission,  the                                                               
Institute convenes  different groups  in forums that  include the                                                               
public  sector,  industry,  the  private  sector,  and  community                                                               
leaders.    He  said  fundamental challenges  facing  Alaska  and                                                               
Alaska's  Arctic   are  declining   oil  production   and  price,                                                               
infrastructure  deficit, increasing  changes and  activity, state                                                               
and  national fiscal  constraints,  and increasing  international                                                               
and  national attention,  with a  "huge disconnect  between local                                                               
concerns,   state  concerns,   and  national   attitude."     Mr.                                                               
Andreassen  reviewed four  fundamental  lessons  for Alaska  from                                                               
Iceland:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
   · Choose competitive resources on which to focus.                                                                            
   · Spend time to develop a comprehensive plan on how to                                                                       
     develop the chosen resources.                                                                                              
   · State or national government must own the power grid                                                                       
     infrastructure and allow communities to develop the                                                                        
     resource.                                                                                                                  
   · Export value-added product so that the main industry is                                                                    
     energy intensive.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDREASSEN presented a different model from Norway:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
    ·  Export non-renewable resources - oil and gas - and develop                                                               
      renewables for domestic use.                                                                                              
    ·  Co-invest in production and infrastructure sharing risk                                                                  
      and reward.                                                                                                               
    ·  Build regulatory capacity for effective and efficient                                                                    
      development of resources.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:24:21 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDREASSEN  presented a chart  entitled, "Iceland  and Alaska                                                               
by  the Numbers"  which  illustrated  significant differences  in                                                               
population  and  geography  (slide  4].    He  pointed  out  that                                                               
installed electricity  generation capacity  for both  entities is                                                               
similar, but  power consumption  is much higher  in Iceland.   He                                                               
concluded that  Iceland has  successfully focused  on one  or two                                                               
sources  in its  energy  portfolio,  and Alaska  can  do so  with                                                               
natural gas.    The  energy mix in Iceland  is 80 percent  of its                                                               
primary energy supply from  renewables for electricity production                                                               
and  heating,  and 20  percent  from  imported fossil  fuels  for                                                               
transportation  and fisheries;  Iceland  continues to  transition                                                               
away from fossil  fuels.  In 2010,  Iceland's electricity profile                                                               
indicated  73  percent  of   electricity  supports  the  aluminum                                                               
industry; raw materials are imported  and aluminum is smelted and                                                               
exported.   Hydropower  provides electricity  at $0.02-$0.03  per                                                               
kilowatt  hour  (kWh) which  attracts  industry  to Iceland;  the                                                               
Karahnjukar Hydropower  Plant is  similar to  size and  design of                                                               
the  proposed  Susitna-Watana  Hydro  project  in  Alaska.    The                                                               
Fjardaal Aluminum  Smelter is connected  to the  hydropower plant                                                               
thus  connecting  the energy  resource  to  industry, and  excess                                                               
power  is  returned  to the  electrical  grid.  Energy  intensive                                                               
industries total  one-quarter of Iceland's exports;  another one-                                                               
quarter is fisheries, and another one-quarter is tourism.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:29:27 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDREASSEN returned attention  to comprehensive planning, and                                                               
explained  that  Iceland's  municipalities  and  local  utilities                                                               
drove the  process to  transition from  imported fossil  fuels to                                                               
renewables.   As  an  aside, he  related  that consumers  reduced                                                               
their energy costs  by twelvefold.  Value-added  industry that is                                                               
supported by low-cost geothermal  and hydropower ranges from fish                                                               
to  aquaculture to  biomedical products.   Iceland's  master plan                                                               
for the  utilization of renewable energy  resources was developed                                                               
by  its  university  in  partnership  with  the  government,  and                                                               
evaluated 80  possibilities for  hydropower and  geothermal power                                                               
plants.   He  further described  the evaluation  process and  the                                                               
categorization  of Iceland's  energy resources,  and opined  that                                                               
the plan  is a  fundamental approach  to energy  resources beyond                                                               
policy (slide  10 entitled,  "Iceland Energy  Planning"). Iceland                                                               
has  a circumferential  electric transmission  grid which  serves                                                               
almost  all of  its communities  with  electricity at  a cost  of                                                               
$0.08-$0.11  per  kWh.    Originally  developed  by  the  private                                                               
sector, the  government "took  it over"  and guarantees  power to                                                               
its residents.   He  said guaranteed  access to  the transmission                                                               
system allows competition to occur.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:34:19 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDREASSEN  concluded  that  the  lessons  for  Alaska  from                                                               
Iceland are:                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
   · Fiscal prudence.                                                                                                           
   · A careful approach to projects.                                                                                            
   · The government is a guarantor and not a financier of                                                                       
     projects.                                                                                                                  
   · Long-term   decision-making   on    infrastructure   and   a                                                               
     willingness of the society to sacrifice for future                                                                         
     prosperity.                                                                                                                
   · Strategic planning on an intentional and expert level.                                                                     
   · Export expertise.                                                                                                          
   · Straightforward    economic   development    strategy   with                                                               
     diversification and cluster development.                                                                                   
   · A master plan for energy development provides clarity to                                                                   
     limit delay and litigation.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDREASSEN  then provided a snapshot  of Norway in 2010.   He                                                               
acknowledged  that  Norway  differs   from  Alaska  in  that  its                                                               
population is larger and residents  have a higher income, a lower                                                               
rate of unemployment,  and a very different  social contract with                                                               
their government.  In addition, the  nation has a very high level                                                               
of  taxation  and  a different  method  of  delivering  services;                                                               
however, Alaska can  evaluate some of Norway's  processes, and he                                                               
listed the following factors of Norway's licensing system:                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
   · Selects tracts to license for a six-year initial term after                                                                
     extensive consultations with stakeholders.                                                                                 
   · Conducts initial seismic and publishes the results.                                                                        
   · Instead of bonus bid and royalty, industry submits an                                                                      
     application consisting of a work plan, financials, and                                                                     
     safety record.                                                                                                             
   · Licenses are awarded by the Norwegian Petroleum Directorate                                                                
     (NPD) to an applicant or group of applicants who can                                                                       
     extract the most value; licenses include a six year "drill                                                                 
     or drop" provision.                                                                                                        
   · All approvals are included in the license.                                                                                 
   · Licenses may include Petoro, the state-owned investment                                                                    
     company that contributes upfront capital and participates                                                                  
     as a partner.                                                                                                              
   · Private industry and Petoro are part of the decision                                                                       
     process.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:41:44 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDREASSEN further explained  that through the state's direct                                                               
financial interest (SDFI),  the Norwegian government participates                                                               
directly with  private industry in the  development of resources.                                                               
As  part of  its active  role, the  state substitutes  definitive                                                               
work  and  investment   commitments,  and  active  participation,                                                               
instead  of a  passive,  royalty  role.   He  stressed that  SDFI                                                               
creates  alignment  of  interests   between  the  state  and  the                                                               
producers, who  gain certainty,  stability, co-investment,  and a                                                               
guaranteed rate of  return.  The state gains  an understanding of                                                               
the investment, access to data,  and an understanding of "oil and                                                               
gas process."   In  fact, Norway transitioned  away from  a bonus                                                               
and  royalty  system  because  that  system  impaired  investment                                                               
decisions.   He suggested that SDFI  could be added in  Alaska as                                                               
an option  in new leases with  the creation of an  organization -                                                               
similar to the Alaska Permanent  Fund Corporation - to administer                                                               
the  state's   interests.    Mr.  Andreassen   reviewed  Norway's                                                               
investment  incentives to  development:    reduced risk;  reduced                                                               
upfront  costs;  shared  risk  and  co-investment  through  SDFI;                                                               
alignment between  industry and the state;  predictability; quick                                                               
permitting;  and tax  stability.   He  continued  that the  above                                                               
lessons from  Norway are important  for Alaska's  domestic energy                                                               
and its general  approach to energy resources.   Conclusions from                                                               
the Norway tour are as follows:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
   · NPD  serves  the  purpose  of   the  Department  of  Natural                                                               
     Resources (DNR) and the Alaska Energy Authority (AEA),                                                                     
     Department of Commerce, Community & Economic Development                                                                   
     (DCCED), and carries the public's interest.                                                                                
   · Oil  and gas  for  export; develop  renewables for  domestic                                                               
     energy consumption.                                                                                                        
   · Government  take  maximized through  state-owned  enterprise                                                               
     and investment in infrastructure.                                                                                          
   · Stability plus returns result in private sector confidence.                                                                
   · Postage stamp rate for domestic power greater connectivity.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDREASSEN  opined  a  lesson  learned  by  the  Institute's                                                               
research throughout  the Arctic nations is  that some governments                                                               
have effective criteria and the  ability to judge a project based                                                               
on specific  merits.  This is  an area that could  be explored by                                                               
the committee to develop a plan  to move from the state's current                                                               
energy  policy to  an  implementation plan,  and  then develop  a                                                               
system to track projects and expenditures.   The goal would be to                                                               
improve Alaska's  ability to use  criteria, strategy,  and system                                                               
to  make  decisions and  prioritize  projects,  especially in  an                                                               
environment of  fiscal constraints.   This would  be accomplished                                                               
in concert with state agencies.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:49:45 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDREASSEN then presented the following recommendations:                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
   · Consolidate oversight.                                                                                                     
   · Oversee projects  to ensure state  return on  investment and                                                               
     benefits.                                                                                                                  
   · Standing  committees  of  the  House  Special  Committee  on                                                               
     Energy and the Senate Special Committee on Energy.                                                                         
   · Evaluate   energy   projects   with   a   focus   on   basic                                                               
     infrastructure.                                                                                                            
   · Encourage  better  outreach  and  communication  from  state                                                               
     agencies.                                                                                                                  
   · Encourage and support private investment.                                                                                  
   · Leverage state resources for infrastructure.                                                                               
   · Implement energy strategy as a key element of fiscal                                                                       
     policy.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDREASSEN turned attention to  the 2013 Arctic Energy Summit                                                               
-  hosted  by the  Institute  -  which  presented the  themes  of                                                               
richness,  responsibility, and  resilience.   The  summit took  a                                                               
cross-sectorial  approach,   with  the  understanding   that  the                                                               
private  sector will  lead  energy  development, public  entities                                                               
will  respond,  regulate,  and manage  activity,  and  both  will                                                               
utilize  academia and  non-governmental organizations  to advance                                                               
projects.   Richness  is defined  as renewables,  non-renewables,                                                               
and efficiency and conservation.   Responsibility is a commitment                                                               
from all  eight Arctic  nations to  risk mitigation  and response                                                               
ability.   Resilience  is the  ability  to respond  and adapt  to                                                               
change;  implementing responsibility  in  energy development  now                                                               
will  strengthen  resilience.   From  the  summit, the  following                                                               
research and projects were proposed:                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
   · Grid connectivity research.                                                                                                
   · Measurements of government support from all Arctic nations.                                                                
   · How communities are benefitting from energy development.                                                                   
   · Effective policies for the development of renewable energy.                                                                
   · Financial vehicles to support energy development.                                                                          
   · Guides to northern energy efficiency and conservation.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDREASSEN informed the committee  that the Institute will be                                                               
hosting the  2015 Arctic Energy Summit  in Fairbanks, 9/28-30/15.                                                               
The themes  will be  "Energy Contributing  to a  Lasting Future,"                                                               
"Security," and  "Affordability."  Outcomes  will be  reported to                                                               
the Arctic  Council's Sustainable Development Working  Group.  He                                                               
encouraged members to participate in the summit.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:56:21 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  COLVER  suggested the  committee  may  want to  hold  a                                                               
hearing during the summit.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NAGEAK asked where in  Alaska a real project could                                                               
be researched.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDREASSEN  advised the  Alaska Center  for Energy  and Power                                                               
(ACEP)  has the  ability to  research and  test projects  "on the                                                               
ground" and garner an understanding of costs and benefits.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NAGEAK  recommended  that the  committee  contact                                                               
ACEP.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  COLVER  clarified  that the  committee  could  consider                                                               
contacting   ACEP    regarding   the   implementation    of   the                                                               
recommendations.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WOOL asked  about the  ownership of  the grid  in                                                               
Norway.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDREASSEN was  unsure and offered to provide an  answer.  In                                                               
further response  to Representative Wool, he  said the government                                                               
of  Norway  strives for  a  100  percent  return on  the  state's                                                               
resources,  but  that is  unacceptable  to  industry; factors  in                                                               
garnering the  state's rate of  return are  a 78 percent  tax and                                                               
co-investment.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   WOOL  asked   whether  Norway's   oil  and   gas                                                               
production is comparable to that of Alaska.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDREASSEN  said  he  was  unsure of  the  current  rate  of                                                               
production and offered to provide that information.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  COLVER  expressed  his   understanding  that  only  one                                                               
environmental challenge is allowed on a Norway project.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDREASSEN   explained  that   Norway  minimizes   delay  by                                                               
conducting negotiations  prior to licensing, and  then allows one                                                               
subsequent lawsuit.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
11:01:40 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at ease from 11:01 a.m. to 11:02 a.m.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
         HJR  8-FEDS ALLOW STATE TO MAKE ENERGY CHOICES                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
11:02:04 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR COLVER announced  that the next order  of business would                                                               
be HOUSE  JOINT RESOLUTION NO.  8, Urging the  federal government                                                               
to empower the state to  protect the state's access to affordable                                                               
and reliable electrical generation.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
11:03:19 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JOSHUA BANKS,  Staff, Representative Dave Talerico,  Alaska State                                                               
Legislature,  introduced  HJR  8   on  behalf  of  Representative                                                               
Talerico,   sponsor.     Mr.  Banks   explained  that   the  U.S.                                                               
Environmental Protection  Agency (EPA)  Clean Power  Plan applies                                                               
to all fossil fuel power  plant generation - including coal, gas,                                                               
oil, and naphtha  - by plants that produce power  in excess of 25                                                               
megawatts (MW),  with the exception  of power plants  at military                                                               
bases in Alaska  and at the University of Alaska  (UA).  Although                                                               
well-intentioned,  the  plan would  likely  lead  to much  higher                                                               
electricity  costs as  indicated  by a  study [entitled,  "Energy                                                               
Market  Impacts of  Recent Federal  Regulations  on the  Electric                                                               
Power  Sector," and  dated 11/14]  provided within  the committee                                                               
packet.  He said the study  states that nationwide there could be                                                               
an  increase in  electrical costs  as high  as 37  percent.   The                                                               
Clean  Power  Plan  is  based   on  inaccurate  assumptions;  for                                                               
instance, that the  largest source of carbon  emissions in Alaska                                                               
is from  power plants.  In  fact, power plants in  Alaska account                                                               
for  about 25  percent of  carbon  emissions.   The remaining  75                                                               
percent of stationary source carbon  in Alaska is from operations                                                               
on  the North  Slope.    Another assumption  is  that lower  cost                                                               
natural gas and renewable energy  sources are available; however,                                                               
in  the  near-term  these  sources   are  not  available  in  the                                                               
Interior.    In fact,  even  if  natural  gas were  available  in                                                               
Fairbanks, the current  projected cost is $20.00  per million Btu                                                               
(MMBTU).    The final  purpose  of  HJR  8  would be  to  protect                                                               
Alaska's  sovereignty.     The   Tenth  Amendment  to   the  U.S.                                                               
Constitution states:   "The  powers not  delegated to  the United                                                               
States by the  Constitution, nor prohibited by it  to the States,                                                               
are reserved to the States respectively,  or to the people."  Mr.                                                               
Bates opined  the powers of  Congress or the executive  branch do                                                               
not include  the power to  regulate carbon emissions  in America.                                                               
Therefore, this is the states'  responsibility.  He expressed his                                                               
belief that the  State of Alaska has the means  to make effective                                                               
decisions to deal with the problems  of climate change, and to do                                                               
so without  hurting Alaskans.   The resolution urges  the federal                                                               
government to leave decisions in  regulating energy production at                                                               
the  state  and  local  level  in  order  to  protect  access  to                                                               
affordable and  reliable electrical  generation.  Mr.  Banks said                                                               
he  expected some  changes  would be  made  to HJR  8  as it  was                                                               
currently written.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
11:07:25 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NAGEAK directed  attention to the bill  on page 1,                                                               
lines 9-10, which read:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     WHEREAS the Regulatory Commission of Alaska should be                                                                      
     empowered to make decisions with methodology based on                                                                      
     the lowest production costs for electrical generation;                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NAGEAK   asked  whether  the  rationale   of  the                                                               
resolution was to get more coal generation.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
11:08:14 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TALERICO  was unsure about the  intent to generate                                                               
more coal-fired power, but the intent  was to maintain what is in                                                               
production at  this time.   In the Interior, the  most affordable                                                               
power is from coal.   Although power production is available from                                                               
other  areas  of the  state,  the  "bottleneck"  is the  lack  of                                                               
transmission lines at  the electrical intertie.   He recalled the                                                               
committee's  previous  discussion   of  "pancake"  rate  tariffs.                                                               
Currently in the  Interior, coal-fired power costs  4.9 cents per                                                               
kilowatt hour  (kWh), and hydroelectric  (hydro) power  costs 5.8                                                               
cents per  kWh due to  the pancake tariff rates.   Representative                                                               
Talerico  said his  concern  was  for the  cost  to customers  in                                                               
Fairbanks  which  is  then passed  along  to  surrounding  remote                                                               
communities.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NAGEAK  referred to  testimony last year  that the                                                               
cost of power generation in rural  Alaska could be reduced by the                                                               
use of  microgrids to connect  nearby communities.   He suggested                                                               
considering  the idea  proposed  by the  Alaska Village  Electric                                                               
Cooperative,  Incorporated   (AVEC).    He  then   asked  for  an                                                               
explanation  of the  benefits of  placing  a 1.5  percent cap  on                                                               
electricity rate increases.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TALERICO  said  the  issue of  a  cap  was  being                                                               
discussed  with  state  agencies, the  Regulatory  Commission  of                                                               
Alaska (RCA), and the utilities.   He said he asked the co-chairs                                                               
to hold  the resolution in  order to gather more  information and                                                               
create a better document; furthermore,  various agencies would be                                                               
bringing recommendations to the bill sponsors.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NAGEAK  directed attention to page  1, lines 14-15                                                               
which read:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     WHEREAS   utilities,    communities,   residents,   and                                                                    
     commercial  entities  should   be  protected  from  any                                                                    
     attempts  to  close a  coal-fired  power  plant in  the                                                                    
     state; and                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NAGEAK asked  for examples  of coal-fired  plants                                                               
that would be closed.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TALERICO   referred  to  an   [unidentified]  EPA                                                               
document  provided in  the  committee packet,  noting  it is  300                                                               
pages  long.   His  interpretation  of  the  document -  and  his                                                               
primary concern  - was  that the plan  calls for  reducing carbon                                                               
pollution  by  focusing on  the  power  producing industry.    In                                                               
Alaska, most  of the  carbon produced is  not from  power plants,                                                               
unlike  in the  Lower 48.   Coal  power plants  are the  cheapest                                                               
sources of energy in the Interior,  and if they become "a target"                                                               
the  price of  energy would  rise without  an impact  on Alaska's                                                               
carbon emissions.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
11:14:17 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS  directed attention to page  23 of a study  provided in                                                               
the committee  packet entitled, "Energy Market  Impacts of Recent                                                               
Federal  Regulations  on the  Electric  Power  Sector" and  dated                                                               
11/14.   Energy Ventures  Analysis estimated  a reduction  in the                                                               
generation of  coal from  31 percent  in 2012,  to 20  percent in                                                               
2020,  likely   requiring  the   closure  of   coal-fired  plants                                                               
throughout the country.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NAGEAK observed  his district  has the  cleanest-                                                               
burning coal in  the world and he supports  generating power with                                                               
coal using  the best technology;  however, the industry  needs to                                                               
be proven.  Coal-fired plants  should not be closed, but improved                                                               
for  the  benefit  of  the environment  and  consumers,  and  the                                                               
federal government should help pay.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  VAZQUEZ  informed  the   committee  it  would  hear  an                                                               
upcoming presentation regarding microgrids.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
11:17:18 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  COLVER  opened  public  testimony  on  HJR  8.    After                                                               
ascertaining no one wished to  testify, public testimony was left                                                               
open.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  VAZQUEZ   stressed  the  importance  of   reliable  and                                                               
affordable energy to  the well-being and economic  success of the                                                               
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WOOL  directed attention  to the  bill on  page 2,                                                               
line 2, which read:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     WHEREAS  the  loss   of  other  traditional  electrical                                                                    
     generation methods  may cause natural gas  plants to be                                                                    
     overused or  used in ways that  exceed their engineered                                                                    
     design; and                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WOOL inquired  as  to whether  natural  gas is  a                                                               
traditional method  of electrical generation, and  if natural gas                                                               
plants have been shown to be exceeding their engineered design.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TALERICO  advised that coal-fired  generators have                                                               
been  around in  the Interior  since  before World  War II;  this                                                               
method is  a traditional  source along  with diesel  and naphtha.                                                               
In the event  25 MW of daily production were  shut down in Healy,                                                               
and another  20 MW in Fairbanks,  it would be difficult  - if not                                                               
impossible - to energize the  grid.  He expressed his willingness                                                               
to  make   additions  or  deletions   to  the  language   of  the                                                               
resolution.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WOOL asked  if the  proposed improvements  to the                                                               
electrical grid would change the priorities of HJR 8.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
11:23:30 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TALERICO  opined  improvements to  the  grid  are                                                               
critical  to   the  economy;  however,  affordability   is  still                                                               
important.  The  cost of oil and natural gas  fluctuates, but the                                                               
coal market remains  more stable.  He stressed the  value of many                                                               
diversified  sources  of  energy production  coming  together  to                                                               
provide stability in energy costs.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NAGEAK  expressed   his  passion  about  lowering                                                               
energy  costs.   During  the  previous  legislative session,  the                                                               
committee  discussed  biomass,  natural  gas,  coal,  hydropower,                                                               
tidal, and geothermal  sources of energy that are  available on a                                                               
regional basis; in  fact, most regions have  different sources on                                                               
a  local   basis,  like   biomass,  run-in-the-river,   and  coal                                                               
generation.  He  encouraged the committee to  focus on developing                                                               
resources that are available in each region.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR VAZQUEZ  will request related testimony  from the Alaska                                                               
Power Association.   She urged for research on the use of coal.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
11:29:52 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
HJR 8 was held over.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION:  INSTITUTE OF THE NORTH - CONCLUSION                                                                             
       PRESENTATION:  INSTITUTE OF THE NORTH - CONCLUSION                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
11:30:33 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  summarized from  Institute of  the North's                                                               
presentation that  the state needs  to develop a  long-term plan,                                                               
and to  look seriously at  further investment  in infrastructure,                                                               
as opposed  to investment in  production.   He asked, "How  do we                                                               
fit into the 'live within our means,' to that whole picture?"                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDREASSEN advised that the  state's current energy policy is                                                               
aspirational  and not  directive;  state agencies  have tried  to                                                               
operationalize the policy, but further  clarity is needed on what                                                               
the   legislature   expects   in   terms  of   a   strategy   and                                                               
implementation of the  policy.   Other nations have  been able to                                                               
better  prioritize  how  to move  forward  by  upfront  planning.                                                               
These  steps  can  be taken  through  legislative  committees  to                                                               
develop,  formulate,   and  operationalize  the   energy  policy.                                                               
Better strategic  planning would  result in  a different  kind of                                                               
decision-making  and better  returns.   Regarding infrastructure,                                                               
he  said  all Arctic  nations  are  well-endowed with  resources;                                                               
however, Alaska has not done  as well as others "connecting those                                                               
dots  from  supply  to  market."   Iceland  has  two  priorities:                                                               
investing in  people, and providing  the right  infrastructure so                                                               
that people  can gain prosperity  from economic development.   He                                                               
acknowledged  that   state  investment  in  human   and  physical                                                               
infrastructure  is  challenging  in   an  environment  of  fiscal                                                               
constraint.   Mr. Andreassen related  that Iceland's  solution is                                                               
affordable energy, for which all Arctic states should strive.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
11:35:51 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NAGEAK,  referring to  testimony heard  last year,                                                               
stressed  that  Iceland   has  a  large  amount   of  power  from                                                               
geothermal,  which   allows  it   to  support   energy  intensive                                                               
industry.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
11:36:51 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR VAZQUEZ recalled it was  suggested at a previous hearing                                                               
that  the state  could  form an  energy  infrastructure fund,  in                                                               
partnership with the private sector, to finance projects.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
11:38:42 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Special Committee on Energy meeting was adjourned at 11:38 a.m.