ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE EDUCATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                       February 18, 2013                                                                                        
                           8:02 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Lynn Gattis, Chair                                                                                               
Representative Gabrielle LeDoux                                                                                                 
Representative Dan Saddler                                                                                                      
Representative Paul Seaton                                                                                                      
Representative Peggy Wilson                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Lora Reinbold, Vice Chair                                                                                        
Representative Harriet Drummond                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
OTHER MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Mike Chenault                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 21                                                                                                               
"An Act relating to the length of a school week; and providing                                                                  
for an effective date."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HB 21 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 87                                                                                                               
"An Act extending the special education service agency; and                                                                     
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSHB 87(EDC) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION:  CHARTER SCHOOLS IN ALASKA                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARING POSTPONED TO 2/25/13                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 21                                                                                                                   
SHORT TITLE: FOUR-DAY SCHOOL WEEK                                                                                               
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) P.WILSON, T.WILSON, KREISS-TOMKINS                                                                
                                                                                                                                
01/16/13       (H)       PREFILE RELEASED 1/7/13                                                                                
01/16/13       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/16/13       (H)       EDC, FIN                                                                                               
02/15/13       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
02/15/13       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/15/13       (H)       MINUTE (EDC)                                                                                           
02/18/13       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 87                                                                                                                   
SHORT TITLE: EXTEND SPECIAL EDUCATION SERVICE AGENCY                                                                            
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) HIGGINS                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
01/28/13       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/28/13       (H)       EDC, FIN                                                                                               
02/15/13       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
02/15/13       (H)       Scheduled But Not Heard                                                                                
02/18/13       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TAMMIE WILSON                                                                                                    
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided a review of HB 21, as one of the                                                                
joint prime sponsors.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MIKE HANLEY, Commissioner                                                                                                       
Department of Education and Early  Development (EED)                                                                            
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on HB 21.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CARL ROSE, Executive Director                                                                                                   
Association of Alaska School Boards (AASB)                                                                                      
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of HB 21.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ELAINE PRICE, Member                                                                                                            
School Board                                                                                                                    
Southeast Island School District                                                                                                
Coffman Cove, Alaska                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of HB 21.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE JOHNSON, Executive Director                                                                                               
Alaska Council of School Administrators                                                                                         
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of HB 21.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PETE HIGGINS                                                                                                     
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Introduced HB 87, as prime sponsor.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
TOM STUDLER, Staff                                                                                                              
Representative Pete Higgins                                                                                                     
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented HB 87 and the proposed committee                                                               
substitute (CS), on behalf of Representative Higgins, prime                                                                     
sponsor.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
KRIS CURTIS, Legislative Auditor                                                                                                
Legislative Audit Division                                                                                                      
Legislative Agencies and Offices                                                                                                
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on HB 87.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
PATRICK PILLAI, Executive Director                                                                                              
Special Education Service Agency (SESA)                                                                                         
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 87.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DR. P. J. FORD SLACK, Principal                                                                                                 
Sitka High School                                                                                                               
Sitka, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 87.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ERIC GEBHART, Superintendent                                                                                                    
Nenana City School District                                                                                                     
Nenana, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 87.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CARL ROSE, Executive Director                                                                                                   
Association of Alaska School Boards (AASB)                                                                                      
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 87.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MILLIE RYAN, Director                                                                                                           
Resources Empowerment & Advocacy in the Community & Home, Inc.                                                                  
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 87.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE JOHNSON, Executive Director                                                                                               
Alaska Council of School Administrators                                                                                         
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 87.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:02:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN  GATTIS called the  House Education Standing  Committee                                                            
meeting to order  at 8:02 a.m.  Present at the  call to order were                                                              
Representatives   Gattis,   P.   Wilson,  Seaton,   and   Saddler;                                                              
Representatives LeDoux arrived as the meeting was in progress.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                   HB 21-FOUR-DAY SCHOOL WEEK                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:02:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GATTIS announced  that the first order of  business would be                                                              
HOUSE BILL  NO. 21,  "An Act relating  to the  length of  a school                                                              
week; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:03:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TAMMIE  WILSON, Alaska State  Legislature, speaking                                                              
as one  of the  joint prime  sponsors, recapped  the intent  of HB                                                              
21, which  is to  allow a  four-day school  week opportunity  to a                                                              
specific district.   Provisions in  HB 21 require the  district to                                                              
show that  the majority  of the  community, students and  teachers                                                              
support the  implementation  of this program.   Additionally,  the                                                              
district will  have to prove that  the students are  receiving the                                                              
equivalent  of  a  five-day  school  week.    They  will  also  be                                                              
required  to   file  quarterly   reports  to  the   Department  of                                                              
Education  and Early  Development  (EED)  on student  and  teacher                                                              
performance and the  effectiveness of the program.   An individual                                                              
school within the  district may elect to maintain  a five-day week                                                              
rather than  exercise the  option.  She  stressed that  the intent                                                              
is to extend local control to school districts.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:04:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MIKE  HANLEY,  Commissioner,  Department  of Education  and  Early                                                              
Development  (EED),   said  that  currently  statute   allows  the                                                              
department  to  approve an  acceptable  plan,  as submitted  by  a                                                              
district, to operate  on a four-day per week school  calendar or a                                                              
flexible/alternate  schedule.  The  proposed bill will  change the                                                              
approval authority  for a 30-day period, transferring  approval to                                                              
the office  of the Alaska State  School Board and  Early Learning.                                                              
The authority  is redirected  but the process  is not  altered, he                                                              
pointed out.   Further, it does not prevent the  commissioner from                                                              
approving  a  school  schedule  change,  during  the  same  30-day                                                              
period.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:05:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  asked  for   the  difference  in  criteria                                                              
required  for permit  approval through  the commissioner's  office                                                              
versus the proposed 30-day application period.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY  responded that there are additional  items in                                                              
the bill,  which requires  progress reporting,  once the  proposal                                                              
has  been  accepted.    Existing   statute  allows  the  education                                                              
commissioner  to  approve an  acceptable  plan that  provides  the                                                              
equivalent  of  a five-day  school  week;  the  same as  the  bill                                                              
requires.   However, the bill  stipulates that the  board consider                                                              
additional  criteria,  such  as   community  involvement,  and  he                                                              
paraphrased from  the bill, Sec.  1 paragraphs (2) and  (3); which                                                              
read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     (2) has involved affected students, teachers, and the                                                                      
     community in requesting a four-day school week;                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
          (3) submits public comment to the board that                                                                          
        demonstrates majority community support for the                                                                         
     request                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:06:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SEATON   stated   his  understanding   that   the                                                              
department's  denial  of  the  Craig  School  District's  original                                                              
application was due  to the lack of focus on  student improvement;                                                              
a condition not  stipulated in the bill.  He asked  if the current                                                              
authorizing   criteria   will   require   a   focus   on   student                                                              
improvement.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY  pointed out that statute must  be interpreted                                                              
for  academic  purposes.     The  Craig  district's   request  was                                                              
submitted  indicating an  interest  for a  three-day weekend,  and                                                              
the  academic program  plan was  not presented.   Hence,  approval                                                              
was  withheld pending  an academic  plan, which  the district  was                                                              
hesitant in  preparing prior  to gaining  approval.  He  suggested                                                              
that if  the information  the district is  offering in  support of                                                              
HB  21,  had   been  submitted  with  the  initial   request,  the                                                              
department  would  have  been  in   a  better  position  to  offer                                                              
approval.   He said his  office will always  focus on  the student                                                              
and many questions  remain unanswered, such as:  how  will an hour                                                              
longer day  be structured for  young children; will  special needs                                                              
children  be  able  to  handle an  extended  day;  and  a  student                                                              
missing  an extended  day will have  one and  one-quarter  days to                                                              
makeup - how will that be addressed.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON followed-up  to  note  that the  conditions                                                              
for  approval  proposed  in  HB  21  encompass  criteria  such  as                                                              
flexibility and community  desires, and asked whether  it needs to                                                              
include   academic  achievement   requirements.     He   expressed                                                              
interest  in  understanding  the   exact  difference  between  the                                                              
current  authority, in  statute,  and what  is  proposed, for  the                                                              
single district, in HB 21.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER   HANLEY  stated   his  belief   that  there   is  no                                                              
perceptible difference  in the criteria established  under current                                                              
statute from  what is proposed  in HB 21,  and added  that statute                                                              
does not speak to academic achievement.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:12:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX   hypothesized  whether  approval   of  the                                                              
district's request would  have been approved if HB  21 had been in                                                              
effect when the initial application was under consideration.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY   conjectured  that  the  board   would  have                                                              
considered  the request and  the department  would have  expressed                                                              
concern.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:13:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P. WILSON  commented that  the bill sponsors  have                                                              
noted  concerns and  the bill will  be altered  based on  comments                                                              
from the  previous hearings.   She said that  Craig is one  of the                                                              
top rated, rural  school districts and may have  an advantage over                                                              
other  rural districts  that  are  struggling academically.    The                                                              
plan that the  school district is now submitting  has been crafted                                                              
better  than the  previous request,  she opined,  and agreed  that                                                              
the  commissioner  took  the appropriate  action  on  the  initial                                                              
application.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:14:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER  asked  the  commissioner  for  a  general                                                              
opinion on an altered school week.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER   HANLEY   responded   that  student   outcomes   are                                                              
paramount and  Alaska has a number  of flexible programs  in place                                                              
to meet individual  needs.  In reviewing the  effectiveness of how                                                              
four-day  weeks  perform  in  other   states,  he  said  many  are                                                              
implemented for financial  purposes, not because of  a remote life                                                              
style.   However,  he said  reports are  indicative of  successful                                                              
programs and he stated support for the pilot program.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER clarified that  the programs  are reported                                                              
as successful  with regard  to academic  achievement or  financial                                                              
economy.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY  said  the  financial  aspect  has  not  been                                                              
studied,  but it  would stand  to  reason that  without having  to                                                              
dispatch buses  or provide  food, among  other services  not being                                                              
provided  one day  per  week, an  economic  benefit would  result.                                                              
The  academic  outcomes appear  to  vary,  with first  year  gains                                                              
typically  being  the  highest,   and  as  the  program  continues                                                              
results appear to remain relatively positive.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  asked if  the department has  had frequent                                                              
requests for four-day programs.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY answered  that  Craig district  has been  the                                                              
only one.  To  a follow-up question, he said  the reported results                                                              
of four-day  programs are  based on case  studies, not  data base,                                                              
critical analysis.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:18:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P. WILSON  offered that financial  savings  can be                                                              
substantial,  especially  where bussing  of  children is  routine,                                                              
and added  that a pilot  program could  be helpful, as  a four-day                                                              
schedule has not yet been tried in Alaska.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:19:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  stated support  for  HB 21  and  expressed                                                              
concern  for a  possible rise  in latchkey  attendance if  parents                                                              
have a five-day work week.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON suggested that  the local areas  will be                                                              
able to  directly address the latchkey  situation and it  would be                                                              
part  of  the community  decision,  when  considering  a  four-day                                                              
school week.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:21:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  said  he   does  not  oppose  HB  21,  but                                                              
questions  the  purpose  and  usefulness  of  superseding  current                                                              
statute.    He voiced  support  for  districts  to work  with  the                                                              
commissioner's   office  to   attain   an  alternative,   flexible                                                              
schedule, and  suggested it may  place an unintentional  and undue                                                              
burden on the board or the department.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY  acknowledged that the steps  for approving an                                                              
application through  the board process may be  cumbersome, but not                                                              
overwhelmingly so.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:22:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   GATTIS  expressed   support  for   the  Craig   district's                                                              
community  interest to  operate  a four-day  pilot  program.   She                                                              
then turned to public testimony.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:23:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CARL  ROSE,  Executive  Director,  Association  of  Alaska  School                                                              
Boards (AASB),  stated support for HB  21 and said the  mission of                                                              
the  association   is  to  support  student   achievement  through                                                              
effective  local governance.   The  program may  not work  for all                                                              
districts,  and  he  predicted  that it  would  not  be  requested                                                              
universally;  however,  it is  a  good option  to  have for  areas                                                              
where  it fits community  needs.   He stressed  the importance  of                                                              
allowing and honoring local governance in a district.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:25:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  stated   support  for  local  control  and                                                              
reiterated  that  Craig  is  one  of  the  best  performing  rural                                                              
districts  in the state.   He  theorized that  a lower  performing                                                              
district  might desire  to adopt  the program,  and asked  if AASB                                                              
believes that  the state is in  a position to make  assessments to                                                              
determine the viability and effectiveness of a four-day week.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE said  the association does not adjudicate  these matters,                                                              
but   the  department   and   local   school  boards   will   make                                                              
determinations regarding program effectiveness.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GATTIS commented  that in a low performing  school district,                                                              
whatever  program   a  community  embraces  and   becomes  engaged                                                              
around,   should   be   considered  a   viable   possibility   for                                                              
improvement.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:27:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER   asked  about  the  performance   of  the                                                              
existing alternative schedules in Alaska.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE  reported that  the block  schedule has  been one  of the                                                              
most effective  methods districts  have implemented,  and although                                                              
a  four-day  week has  not  been  tried  in  Alaska, the  plan  is                                                              
interesting to  consider.  Rather  than requesting a  teaching day                                                              
off,  proposals  for the  fifth  day  have  included a  number  of                                                              
options,  such as:   staff development,  additional tutorial  time                                                              
for students,  or an  alternative program that  is not  counted as                                                              
an official school  day but which provides  enrichment activities.                                                              
To a  follow-up question  he explained  that the block  scheduling                                                              
allows focus  and compression of  one subject into a  longer class                                                              
period,  such  as  90 minutes  versus  40  minutes.    Absenteeism                                                              
presents  a  significant  problem  in a  block  schedule,  as  the                                                              
concentrated  time   on  a  subject  is  difficult   to  make  up.                                                              
Attendance policies  need to be tightened when  a district chooses                                                              
to  implement  block  studies.    A  four-day  school  week  would                                                              
present a  similar issue, as each  day would represent  25 percent                                                              
of the week's studies.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:31:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ELAINE  PRICE,  Member,  School  Board,  Southeast  Island  School                                                              
District, stated support  for HB 21 and reported  that the parents                                                              
have led the  initiative for a four-day school  week, and stressed                                                              
that the school  board neither proposed the idea  nor proffered it                                                              
as a  cost saving program.   Regarding  the question  for latchkey                                                              
participants,  she said  the parents  are  a vocal  group and  the                                                              
district will  know if a  problem arises.   The teachers  are also                                                              
in favor  of the  four-day week  and look  forward to  having more                                                              
contact time  with their students,  and expect to be  available on                                                              
the fifth day,  Friday, for special programs.   The superintendent                                                              
appreciates the  flexibility the  schedule will allow,  especially                                                              
in the area  of vocational training.   She said the  standards and                                                              
test scores in the  district are high, and this  proposal has been                                                              
approached  with   concern  to   maintain,  not  compromise,   the                                                              
district's academic standings.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER asked  what  criteria will  be applied  to                                                              
ensure a  high level  of academic  performance is maintained  over                                                              
the duration  of the  pilot plan period,  and in deciding  whether                                                              
or not to continue the four-day schedule.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  PRICE said  test  scores will  be reviewed,  as  well as  the                                                              
minutes of  the ASC meetings.   The meetings are well  attended by                                                              
the  community  and  provide  a clear  understanding  of  what  is                                                              
occurring  in each  school.   A  number of  variables affect  test                                                              
scores,  which  include:    teacher  effectiveness,  special  need                                                              
students,  class   size,  and  attendance.    She   stressed  that                                                              
academic  oversight is  a district  priority  and a  close eye  is                                                              
maintained on  the achievements in  the nine schools;  steps would                                                              
be taken to rectify any backsliding.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:36:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE  JOHNSON,  Executive  Director,  Alaska  Council  of  School                                                              
Administrators,  stated support  for  HB 21.   The  plan has  been                                                              
well thought  out and represents  a serious endeavor,  with little                                                              
risk.   He  said  it  may not  suit  many communities,  but  Craig                                                              
district seems  to be  a fit and  he said it  would be  helpful to                                                              
have  a pilot  program;  the information  gained  can only  become                                                              
useful for  future reference  or application.   The local  control                                                              
aspect is important to respect and support, he finished.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:37:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GATTIS closed public testimony.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P.  WILSON  reported  that the  sponsors  will  be                                                              
incorporating  comments from  the bill hearings  and some  changes                                                              
can  be anticipated  when  it arrives  at  the  next committee  of                                                              
referral.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:38:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  commented that the committee  has supported                                                              
a  policy  for   districts  to  take  a  variety   of  educational                                                              
approaches and  he said this bill  provides potential in  the same                                                              
vein.  He  stated support for  four extended school days  with the                                                              
fifth day  used for  a variety of  enrichment opportunities.   The                                                              
pilot program  will be interesting  to follow, and  if successful,                                                              
the schedule  could  prove helpful  in other  areas of the  state.                                                              
Additionally, the  new assessments that will be  implemented based                                                              
on  intellectual   integration  versus   the  current   rote  fact                                                              
learning method, may be better served by this schedule.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:40:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GATTIS   underscored  the   importance  for   acknowledging                                                              
community support through legislative action.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:41:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON moved  to  report HB  21  out of  committee                                                              
with  individual  recommendations   and  the  accompanying  fiscal                                                              
notes.   There being  no objection,  HB 21  was reported  from the                                                              
House Standing Committee on Education.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:41:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 8:41 a.m. to 8:45 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
         HB 87-EXTEND SPECIAL EDUCATION SERVICE AGENCY                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:45:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GATTIS announced  that the final order of  business would be                                                              
CS FOR HOUSE BILL  NO. 87, "An Act relating to  allocations to the                                                              
special  education  service  agency   and  extending  the  special                                                              
education service agency; and providing for an effective date."                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:45:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PETE HIGGINS, Alaska  State Legislature,  speaking                                                              
as the  prime sponsor, introduced  HB 87 and recommended  that the                                                              
Special Education  Service  Agency (SESA)  program be extended  to                                                              
June 30,  2021.  He stressed  the importance for having  a service                                                              
that provides  support in a child's  village to help  them develop                                                              
abilities and become functional in the community.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:47:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   P.  WILSON  noted   that  the  auditor's   report                                                              
supports continuance  of the program.  It also  indicates that the                                                              
services  provided are  not available  or  duplicated through  any                                                              
other entity.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:48:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TOM  STUDLER, Staff,  Representative  Pete  Higgins, Alaska  State                                                              
Legislature,  paraphrased  testimony  from a  prepared  statement,                                                              
which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
      The Special Education Service Agency (SESA) us a non-                                                                     
      profit organization established by the Alaska State                                                                       
       Legislature in 1986 under Alaska State statute (AS                                                                       
     14.30.600).     SESA's   role  is   to  provide   school                                                                   
     districts   with  training   specific  to  a   student's                                                                   
     disability.     The  availability  of   SESA's  services                                                                   
     allows  students, with  low  incidence disabilities,  to                                                                   
     receive  special   education  services  in   their  home                                                                   
     community  and  keeps  students   with  their  families.                                                                   
     SESA  provided service  to 45 school  districts and  223                                                                   
     students  during  the last  school  year.   During  this                                                                   
     time, SESA  also provided 320 onsite  consultations with                                                                   
     school  districts.    No  other   government  agency  or                                                                   
     private   sector   entity    in   the   State   provides                                                                   
     specialized   assistance   to   school   districts   for                                                                   
     educating students.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     The  Special Education  Service Agency  is scheduled  to                                                                   
     terminate  June  30,  2013.    In  the  opinion  of  the                                                                   
     Legislative   Budget   and   Audit   Committee:      the                                                                   
     termination  date for  this agency  should be  extended.                                                                   
     They recommend  the legislature  extend the  termination                                                                   
     date to  June 30,  2021.  The  Department of Health  and                                                                   
     Social  services  and  The  Department  of  Education  &                                                                   
     Early  Development  both support  the  extension of  the                                                                   
     Sunset date to June 30, 2021.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:51:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KRIS  CURTIS,  Legislative Auditor,  Legislative  Audit  Division,                                                              
Legislative  Agencies and  Offices, paraphrased  testimony from  a                                                              
prepared statement,  which read  as follows [original  punctuation                                                              
provided]:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The  division of  Legislative Audit  conducted a  sunset                                                                   
     review  of the  Special Education  Services Agency  also                                                                   
     known  as SESA  and issued  our report last  year.   The                                                                   
     main  objective of  the audit  was to  determine if  the                                                                   
     agency  was   operating  in  the  public   interest  and                                                                   
     whether its termination date should be extended.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     We conclude  that SESA is serving  a public need  and is                                                                   
     essential in  meeting the Federal law that  requires the                                                                   
     State ensure  that all  children with disabilities  have                                                                   
     available  to them a  free appropriate public  education                                                                   
     that meets  their unique  needs.   SESA serves over  200                                                                   
     students located  in mostly non-urban  locations through                                                                   
     its low incidence disabilities program.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     We  recommend extending  SESA's  termination date  until                                                                   
     June  30,   2021.    However,  our   recommendation  for                                                                   
     extension   comes   with  recommendations   to   improve                                                                   
     collaboration and oversight.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     The biggest  issue facing  SESA is  the flat funding  of                                                                   
     its  Low  Incidence  Disability program.    The  funding                                                                   
     level  is set in  statute and  hasn't been increased  in                                                                   
     14  years  thereby  decreasing  the real  value  of  its                                                                   
     budget by  36 percent.   This has  made it difficult  to                                                                   
     hire  qualified  staff.   SESA's  unique  organizational                                                                   
     structure has  left it with no mechanism for  seeking an                                                                   
     increase  to  its  budget during  the  annual  budgetary                                                                   
     process.   SESA's funding  as identified  in the  public                                                                   
     school funding  statute provides  an amount per  student                                                                   
     as  a "not  less  than" amount.   Since  SESA's  funding                                                                   
     comes  from the public  school funding  statutes, it  is                                                                   
     funded through  DEED.  DEED  could ask for  increases as                                                                   
     part of  its annual  budget process  but has chosen  not                                                                   
     to do  so since SESA  reports to the Governor's  Council                                                                   
     on   Disabilities  and   Special   Education  which   is                                                                   
     organizationally   located  within  the   Department  of                                                                   
     Health and  Social Services.   DEED management  does not                                                                   
     consider their  department's responsible  for monitoring                                                                   
     the adequacy of SESA's budget.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     The  Governor's  council  did   support  legislation  to                                                                   
     increase  SESA's during  the past session  but the  bill                                                                   
     was not successful.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     In  recommendation No.  1 of  the report,  we hold  DEED                                                                   
     management  accountable  for   monitoring  SESA  because                                                                   
     DEED  is  responsible  for fulfilling  the  federal  law                                                                   
     regarding  special  education.    Because  DEED  is  the                                                                   
     entity   the   ultimately    must   meet   the   federal                                                                   
     requirement, it  should be taking a more active  role in                                                                   
     monitoring  SESA.    We recommend  that DEED  management                                                                   
     and  SESA  management  collaborate  to  ensure  SESA  is                                                                   
     operating and funded as intended by the legislature.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     DEED's   commissioner   does    not   agree   with   the                                                                   
     recommendation.   Historically the funding for  SESA has                                                                   
     been a  legislative process  and he sees  no need  for a                                                                   
     change.  DEED  does not want to be held  accountable for                                                                   
     SESA's operations.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     And  we understand  his  viewpoint since  the  oversight                                                                   
     responsibility  for SESA  is  fragmented and  confusing.                                                                   
     Which  brings me to  the Auditor's  Comments section  of                                                                   
     the report.   In the  Auditor's Comments section  of the                                                                   
     report,  we  discuss  SESA's   organizational  structure                                                                   
     which   has   led   to   confusion   as   to   oversight                                                                   
     responsibility for  funding and monitoring SESA.    SESA                                                                   
     is  a  nonprofit  corporation   created  by  statute  to                                                                   
     report  to the  Governor's Council  on Disabilities  and                                                                   
     Special  Education.   It must report  to the  Governor's                                                                   
     Council,  however, the council  does not have  budgetary                                                                   
     authority over  SESA.  As  a component of public  school                                                                   
     funding,   SESA's  main  program,   its  Low   Incidence                                                                   
     Disabilities program, is funded through DEED.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     To   further   complicate   matters,  as   a   nonprofit                                                                   
     corporation, SESA  has its own bylaws and  its own board                                                                   
     of directors.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     The  Auditor's Comments  Section of  the audit  explains                                                                   
     SESA's  organizational  structure   and  highlights  the                                                                   
     need for  legislative clarification  as to which  entity                                                                   
     should be held accountable.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     The  audit contains  a second  recommendation  addressed                                                                   
     to SESA's board  president to revise board  policies and                                                                   
     improve SESA  board oversight.  There has  been a fairly                                                                   
     recent  change in  the executive  director position  and                                                                   
     the  board president  has already  initiated changes  to                                                                   
     help improve oversight.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:55:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P.  WILSON  asked  if there  is  concern  for  the                                                              
changes made by  the board president, and whether  the legislature                                                              
should consider any statutory amendments.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. CURTIS  responded that the changes  have not been  audited but                                                              
opined  that  it  appears  the   board  is  moving  in  the  right                                                              
direction.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  asked what the  pros and cons would  be for                                                              
placing  SESA under  the purview  of the  Department of  Education                                                              
and Early Development (EED).                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. CURTIS  answered that the examination  of that option  was not                                                              
part of  the audit.   She clarified  that the  audit was  based on                                                              
the eleven sunset  criteria, required by statute,  to evaluate the                                                              
agency.   It has been  concluded that the  agency serves  a public                                                              
need and specific issues were identified for further scrutiny.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GATTIS  opined that oversight  is best served when  one foot                                                              
is in each department.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P.   WILSON  agreed,  and  conjectured   that  the                                                              
department would  be challenged to incorporate funding  for a non-                                                              
profit  organization.   She suggested  that  the required  reports                                                              
from SESA  be provided to  both the governor's  office as  well as                                                              
EED.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:58:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON addressed the  topic of accountability  and                                                              
opined that requiring diversified reporting can result in non-                                                                  
accountability, stating  "...when the buck doesn't  stop anywhere,                                                              
it's easy  to push it  off onto somebody else."   He asked  if one                                                              
of the identified  concerns is the lack of one  state agency being                                                              
held accountable.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. CURTIS said  accountability is spread out, and  EED has a role                                                              
regarding  funding  and  oversight  of  some  planning  documents.                                                              
Additionally, the  non-profit board seats  a member of  EED staff.                                                              
However, statute  separates responsibility between  agencies.  The                                                              
department's  response to  the audit highlighted  that any  change                                                              
to  the low  incidence disabilities  budget requires  a change  in                                                              
statute  and   is  addressed  through  the   legislative  process.                                                              
During   the   previous  legislature,   the   governor's   council                                                              
introduced legislation but it was not successful.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:00:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX commented  that "a  bureaucratic mess"  has                                                              
ensued and  suggested returning to  the drawing board  to consider                                                              
redesign options.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:01:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PATRICK  PILLAI,  Executive Director,  Special  Education  Service                                                              
Agency (SESA), introduced his presentation.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:02:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 9:02 a.m. to 9:04 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. PILLAI provided  a video illustrating the work  of the program                                                              
in various Alaskan  school locations, to demonstrate  the outreach                                                              
work performed throughout the state by SESA.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:11:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease at 9:11 a.m.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PILLAI  paraphrased  the agency's  mission  statement,  which                                                              
read:   SESA  provides consultation  and training  to support  the                                                              
unique   educational  needs   of  individuals   and  the   Alaskan                                                              
communities  that   serve  them.     He  then  provided   a  brief                                                              
background  of the  program, to  state  that SESA  was created  in                                                              
1986   as   a   not-for-profit   corporation   to   meet   federal                                                              
requirements  of  Individuals  with   Disabilities  Education  Act                                                              
(IDEA).     Together   with  EED,   SESA  worked   to  create   an                                                              
infrastructure,  in  accordance  with  session  laws,  to  satisfy                                                              
objectives for  providing a public  education to  individuals with                                                              
low incidence  disabilities via  a cadre of itinerant  specialists                                                              
working  throughout  the  school  districts with  an  emphasis  on                                                              
rural  environments.    The  agency  is  governed  by  the  Alaska                                                              
Governor's   Council  on  Disabilities   and  Special   Education.                                                              
Funding   is   received   as   a    low   incidence   disabilities                                                              
appropriation through  statute at a  rate of $15.75  multiplied by                                                              
the  previous year's  average  daily membership  (ADM).   He  said                                                              
there  has not  been a  funding increase  for 15  years, thus  the                                                              
proposal  for  a multiplier  of  36  percent  to come  apace  with                                                              
inflation.    An  annual  one-half   percent  per  year  inflation                                                              
increase  is  requested  for the  ensuing  eight  years  following                                                              
reauthorization.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:14:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. PILLAI  said that  under AS  14.30.630(b)(1) SESA  is required                                                              
to provide  the following services:   itinerant outreach  services                                                              
to students who  are deaf, deaf-blind, mentally  retarded, hearing                                                              
impaired, blind  and visually  impaired, orthopedically  disabled,                                                              
health-impaired  in other  ways,  severely emotionally  disturbed,                                                              
and  to students  with  multiple disabilities;  special  education                                                              
instructional  support  and  training  of  local  school  district                                                              
special  education personnel;  and other  services appropriate  to                                                              
special education  needs.   The agency is  also involved  in other                                                              
services,  which   include:    operation  of  the   Alaska  Autism                                                              
Resource  Center;  facilitation  of  Bring the  Children  Home  to                                                              
repatriate  psychologically  diagnosed   children  who  have  been                                                              
residing in  facilities outside  of Alaska; administration  of the                                                              
state deaf-blind  grant; and an  indicators program to  supply the                                                              
state with data for reporting purposes.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:17:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PILLAI drew  attention to  a map  of the  state with  numbers                                                              
attached  to each  district  to  indicate students  being  served,                                                              
which  total  260.   He  provided  specific examples  of  students                                                              
being  served  by   SESA  specialists.    Additional   to  student                                                              
services, training  is also conducted to educate  teachers, with a                                                              
primary  focus is  on  rural Alaska.   He  pointed  out that  when                                                              
district's  experience   significant  staff  turnover,   the  SESA                                                              
specialist  may   hold  the  continuity  factor   of  a  student's                                                              
individual  education  program  (IEP).    Specific  SESA  services                                                              
include:     on-site   consultation  with   strategies  based   on                                                              
observation/modeling/evidence;     in-service     training     for                                                              
professional   development;   host   the  Alaska   State   Special                                                              
Education  Conference   (ASSEC);  assist  with   specific  courses                                                              
designed  and offered for  university credit;  participate  on the                                                              
Alaska  Deaf Education  Advisory  Board;  and partner  with  other                                                              
non-profit  organizations such as  Stone Soup  and the  Center for                                                              
Human Development at the University of Alaska Anchorage (UAA).                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:23:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PILLAI  directed  attention  to  an  image  provided  in  the                                                              
committee packet  illustrating the SESA  website to point  out the                                                              
user  friendly format  and  how school  districts  can access  the                                                              
necessary forms to  request agency assistance.   He then addressed                                                              
a graph  titled  "SESA FY  12 Student  Consultation by  District,"                                                              
and said it captures  only the 1:1 student work,  not professional                                                              
training,  per district.   He  said  an important  aspect of  SESA                                                              
services  is  the  combination of  evidence  based  practices  and                                                              
targeted  interventions.   A loss  of funding  will result  in the                                                              
reduction  of  these  services,  and  an  allotment  request  will                                                              
accompany  an amendment  to  the  bill when  it  comes before  the                                                              
finance committee.   He  offered other  reasons for the  necessity                                                              
of a  monetary increase,  including the  quality of  professionals                                                              
required for  staff, retention  issues, and  the ability  to offer                                                              
competitive salary/benefit packages.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:28:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GATTIS opened public testimony.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:28:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  P.  J.  FORD SLACK,  Principal,  Sitka  High  School,  stated                                                              
support  for  HB  87  and  urged  members  to  speak  with  anyone                                                              
connected with SESA  in any area of the state,  and predicted that                                                              
positive feedback will result.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:29:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ERIC  GEBHART,   Superintendent,  Nenana  City   School  District,                                                              
stated support  for HB 87  and identified  that he chairs  the 28-                                                              
member   Governor's   Council   for   Disabilities   and   Special                                                              
Education;  the governing  board  of  SESA.   He  said five  board                                                              
members handle  the direct  relationship with  the agency,  and he                                                              
reviewed  the  membership seats.    The  board supports  both  the                                                              
reauthorization  as  well  as the  proposed  funding  increase  to                                                              
$21.50  per  student,  as recommended  by  the  Legislative  Audit                                                              
report.  The capacity  of the service to bring  expertise to every                                                              
area of the state has already been illustrated, he finished.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:32:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CARL  ROSE,  Executive  Director,  Association  of  Alaska  School                                                              
Boards (AASB),  commented that the  creation of special  education                                                              
was  enacted  in 1975  with  the  passage  of [Public  Law  94-142                                                              
(Education  of  All  Handicapped  Children  Act)  also  known  as,                                                              
Individuals  with   Disabilities  Education  Act   (IDEA)].    The                                                              
special education  mandate  has been altered  several times  since                                                              
it was established  and through the reauthorization  process.  The                                                              
means  for meeting  the  mandate  has remained  a  focus, and  the                                                              
original promise  of 40 percent  federal funding has yet  to reach                                                              
that level;  currently the  rate is  approximately 14-16  percent.                                                              
The mandate  is complicated  and been revisited  many times.   The                                                              
administrative burdens  have become extensive with  each reworking                                                              
and  continued  honing   of  the  law  by  advocates   of  special                                                              
education.  Reporting  is provided to the governor's  council, EED                                                              
and  the  federal  authorities,  and,  reiterating  Representative                                                              
Seaton's  sentiment,   he  said,   "If  everybody's   responsible,                                                              
nobody's   responsible."     He  said   the  extensive   reporting                                                              
generates little response  until an audit is performed.   The work                                                              
conducted  by  SESA  remains  the best  solution  to  address  the                                                              
complicated  requirements  of the  special  education mandates  in                                                              
place.    He  addressed  Representative  LeDoux's  suggestion  for                                                              
reworking the  system and  said IDEA has  taken that  approach but                                                              
the result has  been additional administrative requirements.   The                                                              
diversity of  Alaska is immense  and PL 94-142 requires  that "all                                                              
kids will get the  best bite of the apple that we  can give."  The                                                              
mandate   has  continued   to  become   more  complicated,   since                                                              
inception, and  received less attention  and funding, and  SESA is                                                              
the best possibility for meeting the requirements.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:35:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON asked whether there are  oversight steps                                                              
the committee should be considering.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROSE responded  that special  education is  a huge,  involved                                                              
issue, and  assured the committee  that SESA is handling  the bulk                                                              
of the complications.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:36:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MILLIE   RYAN,  Executive   Director,   Resources  Empowerment   &                                                              
Advocacy in  the Community  and Home, Inc.  (REACH), said  she has                                                              
served  in the  past  as a  SESA board  member,  and offered  some                                                              
history  for  how SESA  governance  came  about, adding  that  the                                                              
system has  worked fairly  well with minimal  issues.   A question                                                              
often raised  is whether SESA  duplicates intensive  needs funding                                                              
and she  said there are specific  criteria and close  oversight to                                                              
guard  against  that  happening.    Another  question  that  often                                                              
arises is whether  SESA employees are special  education teachers,                                                              
but special  education teachers  are not  specialists in  specific                                                              
areas  and  are   not  prepared  to  receive  children   with  low                                                              
incidence  disabilities.   Finally, she  said the  good work  that                                                              
SESA provides  is evident  and offered an  anecdote about  a REACH                                                              
student who benefited  and was able to maintain  a residence close                                                              
to family due to the services provided.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:41:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX asked what services REACH provides.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RYAN outlined  the  range of  services  provided through  the                                                              
REACH  agency,  which  include an  infant  learning  program,  and                                                              
respite and in-home services.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  inquired  whether  REACH  works  with  the                                                              
school districts.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RYAN  replied  yes,  very   closely  with  complimentary  and                                                              
transitional  services,  and to  a  follow-up clarified  that  the                                                              
services  are not  duplicative of  the  educational services  SESA                                                              
provides.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:44:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE  JOHNSON,  Executive  Director,  Alaska  Council  of  School                                                              
Administrators,  stated  support for  HB  87 and  said  this is  a                                                              
valued, necessary  service and  districts would  be taxed  to fill                                                              
the void in the absence of SESA's expertise.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GATTIS closed public testimony.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:46:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  moved  to  adopt  the  proposed  committee                                                              
substitute (CS)  for HB 87, Version 28-LS0392\U,  Mischel, 2/8/13,                                                              
as  a working  draft.   There being  no objection,  Version U  was                                                              
before the committee.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:47:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  STUDLER  said the  CS  changes  begin  on  page 1,  line  10,                                                              
represented  in uppercase letters.   He  said this language  would                                                              
be  redacted to  more clearly  reflect  the actuality  of how  the                                                              
retirement system is handled.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON   clarified  the  purpose  of   the  CS  by                                                              
paraphrasing from  the language being proposed for  removal, which                                                              
read [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     THE  AMOUNT ALLOCATED  TO THE  AGENCY  SHALL BE  REDUCED                                                                   
     EACH  FISCAL  YEAR  BY THE  AMOUNT  CONTRIBUTED  BY  THE                                                                   
     DEPARTMENT  TO   THE  TEACHERS  RETIREMENT   SYSTEM  (AS                                                                   
     14.25) OR  THE PUBLIC  EMPLOYEES' RETIREMENT SYSTEM  (AS                                                                   
     39.35) ON BEHALF OF EMPLOYEES OF THE AGENCY.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  inquired whether there would  be any fiscal                                                              
impact by this action.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  STUDLER stated  his understanding  that  the change  reflects                                                              
how the agency conducts  business and does not alter  funding.  He                                                              
then deferred.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. PILLAI  confirmed  that the  proposed CS  does not affect  the                                                              
funding of the agency in any way.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:50:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P. WILSON  moved to  report CSHB  87, Version  28-                                                              
LS0392\U,  Mischel,  2/8/13,  out  of  committee  with  individual                                                              
recommendations, and the accompanying fiscal notes.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  objected,  and  stated  his  understanding                                                              
that one of the  intents of the bill is to remedy  the 15 years of                                                              
flat  funding,  and   noted  that  the  CS  does   not  appear  to                                                              
incorporate  that  intent.   He  expressed concern  for  continued                                                              
flat funding  of SESA and  opined that  without a fiscal  note the                                                              
state obligation  to meet  federal education  requirements  may be                                                              
in jeopardy.   He  proposed that  a [letter  of intent],  from the                                                              
committee, be  forwarded with the  bill, when it comes  before the                                                              
finance committee.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:53:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GATTIS,  hearing no objection,  announced that a  [letter of                                                              
intent] would be forwarded with HB 87.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:53:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON removed his objection.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:53:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 9:53 a.m. to 9:54 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:54:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GATTIS,  hearing  no  further   objection,  announced  that                                                              
CSHB 87(EDC)  was  reported  from  the  House  Education  Standing                                                              
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:54:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being  no further business  before the committee,  the House                                                              
Education Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 9:56 a.m.