SENATOR TAYLOR began the meeting with no quorum, but chose to hear the initial testimony on SJR 8 (CAPITAL PROJECTS AND EXPENDITURE LIMIT) sponsored by SENATOR RANDY PHILLIPS, who gave an opening statement. SENATOR PHILLIPS explained it would be a constitutional amendment to be considered by the voters in the election of 1994. He further explained SJR 8 would set a limit of $2.3 billion for expenditures, and he referred the committee to the bill packet for 9 or 10 different exceptions to that limit. The expenditure limit can be exceeded with a two- thirds vote of both the Senate and the House. Number 039 SENATOR PHILLIPS said SJR 8 would also provide that at least 10% of the $2.3 billion in each fiscal year would be allocated for capital budget. If inflation exceeds 6%, the legislature may appropriate an amount to offset the effect of the inflation that exceeds 6%. He explained that any revenue in excess of the expenditure limit would be deposited in the Constitutional Reserve Fund. SENATOR TAYLOR asked SENATOR PHILLIPS to read the exceptions to the $2.3 billion dollar limit: Appropriations to the Permanent Fund Permanent Fund dividends Appropriations to the Budget Reserve Fund Appropriations of revenue from a tax approved by the voters Bond proceeds The principal and interest on bonds issued by the state Money received in trust for specific purpose Endowment earnings Revenue from public corporations SENATOR TAYLOR questioned whether it included lapsed Federal Highway Funds, and SENATOR PHILLIPS explained it was. SENATOR PHILLIPS gave as his reasons for the bill, was because the legislature collectively does not have the political will to limit itself in the expenditures of money. He said the only way to limit the legislature was by a constitutional amendment, and he said it would restrain the legislature from spending more money than they receive. SENATOR PHILLIPS said it would keep the legislature in line in the budgetary process. In reference to the $600 million from British Petroleum America, he said it would be tempting for the legislature to go on a feeding frenzy. He thought his bill would eliminate the problem, which was his main motivation. Number 096 In reference to page 2, lines 11 and 12, (b), SENATOR HALFORD questioned the consistency of the two-thirds vote of the membership, whereas it takes a three-fourths vote to get money out of the Constitutional Budget Reserve Fund. SENATOR PHILLIPS said he would change to the three-fourths if SENATOR HALFORD wanted. SENATOR HALFORD explained the legislature could go by a two- thirds vote as long as the money could be gotten from other than the Constitutional Budget Reserve Fund, but if the money had to be obtained from the fund, it will not only take two-thirds vote to spend the money, but it would take three-fourths to get it. SENATOR HALFORD thought this would be a good interplay between those two things, because, if there was a big strike in revenue, there would probably be two-thirds to spend some of the money. Number 120 SENATOR PHILLIPS thought his mechanisms were sound but wondered about the limit of $2.3 billion limit. He reviewed the constitutional amendment from about 1982 with a spending limit of about $4.5 billion. SENATOR HALFORD explained the inflation factor of the numbers. After a general discussion on the use of SJR 8 in restraining the legislature, SENATOR TAYLOR adjourned the committee meeting - still with no quorum.