SENATE BILL NO. 178 "An Act relating to the application of the passenger vehicle rental tax; and providing for an effective date." 1:42:13 PM Senator Hoffman inquired how the passenger vehicle rental tax would be implemented, particularly for vehicles rented for use only on the North Slope. MATT FONDER, DIRECTOR, TAX DIVISION, DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE (via teleconference), responded that all vehicles on the North Slope, rented for a period of at least 28 days, would be exempt from the tax. Senator Hoffman surmised that a vehicle rented for 21 days would be subject to the tax. Mr. Fonder replied in the affirmative. Co-Chair Meyer understood that vehicles that were purchased on the North Slope did not need to be registered and were not subject to a registration tax. Mr. Fonder responded that the question was not under the per-view of the Department of Revenue. 1:43:58 PM Senator Olson inquired if Co-Chair Meyer referencing the road system that was maintained by the North Slope Borough. Co-Chair Meyer responded in the affirmative. Senator Olson explained that the North Slope Borough did not require the tax on roads that it owned and maintained, but that not all roads were included; the Dalton Highway, for example, was part of the state system and would require payment of a registration tax. Co-Chair Meyer thought that roads at Prudhoe Bay, Kuparuk, and Alpine were all exempt from having registered vehicles. Senator Olson pointed out that those were private roads. 1:44:33 PM Senator Hoffman inquired whether the legislation applied to all the vehicles that were rented regardless of whether they were driven on borough or state roads. Mr. Fonder believed that there was a provision in existing statute that pertained to driving on a public right-of-way. He thought that if a vehicle was rented in Anchorage for a three week period, traveled up the Dalton Highway to Deadhorse, the passenger vehicle rental tax would be applied regardless of the roads taken. Senator Hoffman requested that DOR clarify the interpretation of the law and get back to him. 1:46:08 PM Co-Chair Meyer thought that if the vehicle was used on private roads on the North Slope, the Department of Motor Vehicles did not require vehicle registration. Vice-Chair Fairclough referenced a prior fiscal note which had proposed a higher cost due to retroactivity. She noted that the current fiscal note before that was zero. Mr. Fonder replied that the original fiscal note had addressed legislation that had a retroactivity of approximately 10 years; the burden would have been on the department to ensure that any taxes paid during that period, that should not have been paid, would be refunded. The current draft of the bill had an immediate effective date, which had resulted in the new fiscal note. 1:48:19 PM Vice-Chair Fairclough understood that individual tax payers had paid vehicle rental tax in the past. Mr. Fonder responded in the affirmative. He and added that the tax was paid through the rental companies and submitted to the department on a quarterly basis. Vice-Chair Fairclough asked if the proposition of retroactivity would mean that the state would be forced to seek individual tax payers, rather than the rental entities. Mr.Fonder said yes. Vice-Chair Fairclough asserted that the tax should be fair and equitable and that the funds from the tax should be used to maintain state roads. Mr. Fonder agreed. Mr. Fonder returned to Senator Hoffman's question regarding the public right-of-way. He stated that current statue defined a passenger vehicle in AS 28.90.990 as a vehicle that was driven, or moved on a highway, or other public right-of-way in the state. Co-Chair Meyer OPENED public testimony. 1:52:03 PM JON COOK, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, AIRPORT EQUIPMENT RENTALS INC., FAIRBANKS (via teleconference), spoke in support of SB 178. He pointed out that the bill addressed several unintended consequences of the original vehicle tax legislation. He believed that issues regarding the rental tax on the North Slope should not be addressed in the bill. He noted that rentals under 28 days out of Deadhorse would be subject to the tax. He asserted that his business was located on a private road system should not be subject to the tax. He believed that the DOR had no right to impose the tax on the North Slope. 1:59:05 PM RUDY VONIMHOF, PRESIDENT, DELTA LEASING, LLC, spoke in support of SB 178. He relayed that his company had been corresponding with DOR on the issue since 2010. In 2013 the department had asked the company to file returns on the tax and the company had responded that they did not need to pay the tax. He noted that he had written a letter to the department detailing the 2010 correspondence (copy on file). He said that on November 2, 2013 his Prudhoe Bay and Anchorage offices were the subject of a raid by the Department of Revenue the results of which were that DOR confiscated 70 boxes of files and computers. The files had not been returned. He opined that BP had written a letter to DOR explaining that the DMV did not consider the greater Prudhoe Bay area taxable for vehicle registration; a map of operations was included with the letter that detailed where state maintenance began and ended on the Dalton Highway. He shared that the checkpoints between public and private roads were monitored by strong security and required badges for access. He expressed concern with the current version of the bill and opined that DOR maintained possession of the files confiscated in 2013. 2:06:24 PM Mr. VonImhof related that his company had never felt that the tax was applicable to its customers and had never collected the tax. 2:08:53 PM Co-Chair Meyer assumed that Mr. VonImhof's business operated out of Deadhorse. Mr. VonImof replied in the affirmative. 2:09:06 PM Senator Olson wondered if the security guards at the checkpoints were armed. Mr. VonImof replied that he was unsure. 2:09:54 PM Senator Hoffman spoke to an intent letter and asked whether the contents of the letter were meant to be included in the legislation. Mr. VonImof believed that an intent letter had been slated to be drafted into the legislation, but that it had not been written into the current version. 2:10:24 PM Vice-Chair Fairclough inquired whether the electronic information seized in the raid had been returned. Mr. VonImhof stated that the company maintained the server, which was imaged. He said that front desk computers and technician computers in the maintenance facility had not been seized. He relayed that the hard drives of three computers had been returned in January 2014. Vice-Chair Fairclough probed whether when the computers were seized, the company had been able to perform a back-up and if the business had been totally disabled by the seizure. Mr. VonImhof replied that the IT conversion had been unexpected. He said that most of the information resided on a server and that his business was allowed to keep its server. Employees personal downloads on work computers had not been returned. 2:12:31 PM Mr. VonImof reiterated that he supported the current bill. Co-Chair Meyer believed that the current bill would still charge a tax on private roads on the North Slope. Mr. VonImhof responded that he was surprised at the Department of Revenue's position on Prudhoe Bay. He expressed concern for that aspect of the legislation. 2:13:25 PM Co-Chair Meyer asked whether the company leased vehicles for longer than a 30 day period. Mr. VonImhof responded that it varied. He offered that the vast majority of business operations were long-term leases, meaning more than 6 months. He opined that there were outstanding issues between industry and DOR on the topic. 2:15:36 PM RANDY JOHNSON, TYLER RENTAL, KETCHIKAN (via teleconference), spoke in support of SB 178. He expressed reservations regarding truck rentals on non-public roads and support for a retroactivity clause. He related that his company had never received notice on the tax since its inception in 2004 and as a result had never collected the tax from its customers. He understood that most of the vehicle rental companies had received notice of the tax and that he could only assume that the reason it was not notified was because it was not originally the intent to tax businesses like Tyler Rental. 2:19:11 PM Co-Chair Meyer CLOSED public testimony. Senator Hoffman questioned whether the sponsor had intended that the legislation would not apply to certain vehicles. 2:19:53 PM Senator Bishop stated that the sponsor's intent was to clarify that Prudhoe Bay would be exempt from the tax. 2:20:21 PM Senator Hoffman offered that if the DOR thought that the intent was that the Prudhoe Bay should be taxed, there needed to be clarification. Senator Olson asked whether only vehicles rented on state maintained roads should be taxed. Senator Bishop noted that the original intent had been for passenger vehicles during the summer tourist season and that it had never been to target rentals in Prudhoe Bay or remote mine sites. 2:21:24 PM Senator Olson inquired if the bill's original intent had been to tax people on private mining roads in Southeast Alaska. Senator Bishop responded that it had not been the intent to do so. Senator Olson stressed the need for further clarification in order to stave future raids on small businesses. 2:22:15 PM Vice-Chair Fairclough asserted that ignorance of the law was not defensible in court and that it would be impossible for the state to notify every single business of every law. Co-Chair Meyer thought that his staff needed to work with Senator Bishop's staff in order to craft a comprehensive piece of legislation. He believed that the 28 day rental period was workable. Vice-Chair Fairclough urged communication with the Department of Law in order to draft language that spoke to the North Slope but also addressed mining operations in Southeast Alaska. Co-Chair Meyer said that DMV already knew which roads were private or public. Vice-Chair Fairclough believed that the work would need to be done by both DOT and DMV. 2:25:55 PM SB 178 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further consideration. 2:26:00 PM AT EASE 2:28:03 PM RECONVENED