ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
          HOUSE LABOR AND COMMERCE STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                         
                         March 20, 2024                                                                                         
                           3:18 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Jesse Sumner, Chair                                                                                              
Representative Justin Ruffridge, Vice Chair                                                                                     
Representative Mike Prax                                                                                                        
Representative Dan Saddler                                                                                                      
Representative Stanley Wright                                                                                                   
Representative Ashley Carrick                                                                                                   
Representative Zack Fields                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 203                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to wage payments."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HB 203 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 290                                                                                                              
"An Act relating  to the issuance of certificates  of fitness for                                                               
plumbers and  electricians; relating to fees  for certificates of                                                               
fitness  for  plumbers and  electricians;  and  providing for  an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HB 290 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 285                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to insurance; relating to mammograms; and                                                                      
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HB 285 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 218                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to coverage for disability from diseases for                                                                   
certain firefighters; and providing for an effective date."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 55                                                                                                               
"An Act relating to allocations of funding for the Alaska                                                                       
Workforce Investment Board; and providing for an effective                                                                      
date."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     - SCHEDULED BUT NOT HEARD                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE FOR SENATE BILL NO. 147(L&C)                                                                               
"An Act relating to reemployment rights and benefits; and                                                                       
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     - BILL HEARING RESCHEDULED TO 3/22/24                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 150                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to residential building codes; relating to                                                                     
construction     contractors    and     residential    contractor                                                               
endorsements; and providing for an effective date."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     - SCHEDULED BUT NOT HEARD                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 203                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: PAYMENT OF WAGES; PAYROLL CARD ACCOUNT                                                                             
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) SUMNER                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
05/16/23       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
05/16/23       (H)       L&C                                                                                                    
01/26/24       (H)       BILL REPRINTED                                                                                         
02/09/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
02/09/24       (H)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
02/16/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
02/16/24       (H)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
02/23/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
02/23/24       (H)       Scheduled but Not Heard                                                                                
02/28/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
02/28/24       (H)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
03/01/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/01/24       (H)       Scheduled but Not Heard                                                                                
03/04/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/04/24       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/04/24       (H)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
03/11/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/11/24       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/11/24       (H)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
03/18/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/18/24       (H)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
03/20/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 290                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: CERT. OF FITNESS: PLUMBERS/ELECTRICIANS                                                                            
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
01/24/24       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/24/24       (H)       L&C, FIN                                                                                               
02/19/24       (H)       L&C AT 4:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
02/19/24       (H)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
02/21/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
02/21/24       (H)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
02/26/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
02/26/24       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/26/24       (H)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
03/04/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/04/24       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/04/24       (H)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
03/20/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 285                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: MAMMOGRAMS: INSURANCE COVERAGE                                                                                     
SPONSOR(s): FIELDS                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
01/22/24       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/22/24       (H)       HSS, FIN                                                                                               
01/29/24       (H)       L&C REFERRAL ADDED AFTER HSS                                                                           
01/29/24       (H)       BILL REPRINTED                                                                                         
02/14/24       (H)       HSS REFERRAL MOVED TO AFTER L&C                                                                        
02/21/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
02/21/24       (H)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
02/28/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
02/28/24       (H)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
03/04/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/04/24       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/04/24       (H)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
03/13/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/13/24       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/13/24       (H)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
03/20/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 218                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: FIREFIGHTER WORKERS COMP REQUIREMENTS                                                                              
SPONSOR(s): SADDLER                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
01/16/24       (H)       PREFILE RELEASED 1/8/24                                                                                
01/16/24       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/16/24       (H)       L&C                                                                                                    
02/28/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
02/28/24       (H)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
03/01/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/01/24       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/01/24       (H)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
03/20/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JOHN DELLACROCE, Former Assistant Chief                                                                                         
Chugiak Volunteer Fire Department                                                                                               
Chugiak, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Gave testimony on HB 218.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ADONIS BUZARD, Staff                                                                                                            
Representative Dan Saddler                                                                                                      
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   On behalf of  Representative Saddler, prime                                                             
sponsor, answered committee member's questions on HB 218.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:18:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JESSE SUMNER  called the House Labor  and Commerce Standing                                                             
Committee meeting  to order at  3:18 p.m.   Representatives Prax,                                                               
Ruffridge,  Saddler, Wright,  Carrick,  Fields,  and Sumner  were                                                               
present at the call to order.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
         HB 203-PAYMENT OF WAGES; PAYROLL CARD ACCOUNT                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:19:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SUMNER announced that the  first order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL NO. 203, "An Act relating to wage payments."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:19:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RUFFRIDGE moved to report  HB 203 out of committee                                                               
with  individual  recommendations  and  the  accompanying  fiscal                                                               
notes.  There being no objection,  HB 203 was reported out of the                                                               
House Labor and Commerce Standing Committee.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
         HB 290-CERT. OF FITNESS: PLUMBERS/ELECTRICIANS                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:20:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SUMNER announced  that the next order of  business would be                                                               
HB 290  HOUSE BILL NO. 290,  "An Act relating to  the issuance of                                                               
certificates of  fitness for plumbers and  electricians; relating                                                               
to   fees  for   certificates   of  fitness   for  plumbers   and                                                               
electricians; and providing for an effective date."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:20:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RUFFRIDGE moved to report  HB 290 out of committee                                                               
with  individual  recommendations  and  the  accompanying  fiscal                                                               
notes.  There being no objection,  HB 290 was reported out of the                                                               
House Labor and Commerce Standing Committee.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
              HB 285-MAMMOGRAMS: INSURANCE COVERAGE                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:20:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SUMNER announced  that the next order of  business would be                                                               
HB  285  HOUSE BILL  NO.  285,  "An  Act relating  to  insurance;                                                               
relating to mammograms; and providing for an effective date."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:20:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RUFFRIDGE moved to report  HB 285 out of committee                                                               
with  individual  recommendations  and  the  accompanying  fiscal                                                               
notes.  There being no objection,  HB 285 was reported out of the                                                               
House Labor and Commerce Standing Committee.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
          HB 218-FIREFIGHTER WORKERS COMP REQUIREMENTS                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:21:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SUMNER announced that the  final order of business would be                                                               
HB  218 HOUSE  BILL NO.  218, "An  Act relating  to coverage  for                                                               
disability from diseases for  certain firefighters; and providing                                                               
for an effective date."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:21:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SUMNER opened public testimony on HB 218.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:21:3 PM                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JOHN DELLACROCE,  Former Assistant Chief, Chugiak  Volunteer Fire                                                               
Department, gave testimony on HB 218.   He said that HB 218 would                                                               
affect  all fire  departments in  Alaska.   He said  reducing the                                                               
current requirement for benefits from  seven years to three years                                                               
would improve  retention.  He  concluded his testimony  by adding                                                               
that reducing the  number of medical exams to one  upon entry and                                                               
one  every  five   years  would  be  more   palatable  for  small                                                               
departments with financial constraints.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:23:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX  asked Mr. Dellacroce  if he has  checked his                                                               
specific city's  policy on  workers' compensation  to see  if the                                                               
city would sell the fire  department an insurance policy, if [Mr.                                                               
Dellarcore] were self-insured.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. DELLACROCE answered that his  fire department has not checked                                                               
with its provider regarding insurance premiums.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:23:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FIELDS asked  for clarification  relating to  the                                                               
language  change  on  page  2, line  16,  asking  the  difference                                                               
between  becoming a  firefighter  and becoming  a certified  fire                                                               
fighter.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:24:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SUMNER,  after ascertaining  there  was  no one  else  who                                                               
wished to testify, closed public testimony on HB 218.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:24:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADONIS BUZARD,  Staff, Representative  Dan Saddler,  Alaska State                                                               
Legislature, on  behalf of Representative Saddler,  prime sponsor                                                               
of  HB 218,  said he  did not  have an  answer to  Representative                                                               
Field's question at this time and would follow up later.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FIELDS said  he likes  the language  that reduces                                                               
required  exams  but asked  for  more  explanation regarding  the                                                               
frequency of exams proposed in the bill.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:26:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  said the intent  of HB 218 is  to provide                                                               
more  flexibility  so  that coverage  and  workers'  compensation                                                               
aren't lost because of a time requirement.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:26:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX  said he  would like  to hear  from insurance                                                               
carriers about the  financial risk for their companies.   He said                                                               
that if a  carrier cannot determine the risk, it  could refuse to                                                               
provide  coverage.   He asked  if it  is known  how HB  218 would                                                               
affect coverage.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER answered  that the  risk doesn't  change,                                                               
and he said  he could confirm with insurance  companies about the                                                               
question of coverage.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:28:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE    RUFFRIDGE    gave    his    understanding    of                                                               
Representative  Prax' question  that he  is speaking  not of  the                                                               
risk to  the fire fighter but  the risk to the  insurance company                                                               
and whether it would have to  pay out benefits more frequently if                                                               
HB 218 were to become law.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX confirmed that's correct.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:29:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SADDLER   said   he   would   follow   up   with                                                               
Representative   Fields    about   the    current   credentialing                                                               
organizations and processes.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RUFFRIDGE asked Representative Saddler if someone                                                                
would be delayed in working as  a firefighter if they haven't yet                                                               
become certified.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER responded that while  there might be a gap                                                               
between  certification  and   employment,  the  examinations  are                                                               
spaced out accordingly to the certification programs.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
[HB 218 was held over.]                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:31:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The House Labor and Commerce Standing Committee was recessed at                                                                 
3:31 p.m. to a call of the chair.  [The meeting never                                                                           
reconvened.]