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03/04/2025 01:30 PM Senate TRANSPORTATION

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01:42:44 PM Start
01:43:31 PM Presentation(s): Alaska Marine Highway System Long Range Plan
03:03:27 PM Adjourn
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Highway System's Long-range Plan
Craig Tornga, Marine Director, Alaska Marine
Highway System
Dom Pannone, Director of Program Management &
Administration
**Streamed live on AKL.tv**
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
            SENATE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                          
                         March 4, 2025                                                                                          
                           1:42 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Jesse Bjorkman, Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Löki Tobin, Vice Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Jesse Kiehl                                                                                                             
Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                            
Senator Mike Shower                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
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PRESENTATION(S): ALASKA MARINE HIGHWAY SYSTEM LONG: RANGE PLAN                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DOM PANNONE, Director                                                                                                           
Program Management and Administration                                                                                           
Department of Transportation and Public Facilities (DOTPF)                                                                      
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Co-presented Alaska Marine Highway System                                                                 
Long Range Plan.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CRAIG TORNGA, Marine Director                                                                                                   
Alaska Marine Highway System (AMHS)                                                                                             
Department of Transportation and Public Facilities (DOTPF)                                                                      
Ketchikan, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Co-presented Alaska Marine Highway System                                                                 
Long Range Plan.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:42:44 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   BJORKMAN  called   the  Senate   Transportation  Standing                                                               
Committee meeting  to order at 1:42  p.m. Present at the  call to                                                               
order  were  Senators Kiehl,  Tobin,  Stedman,  Shower and  Chair                                                               
Bjorkman.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION(S): ALASKA MARINE HIGHWAY SYSTEM LONG RANGE PLAN                                                                  
 PRESENTATION(S): ALASKA MARINE HIGHWAY SYSTEM LONG RANGE PLAN                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:43:31 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN  announced the presentation Alaska  Marine Highway                                                               
System:  Long  Range Plan  by  Department  of Transportation  and                                                               
Public Facilities  (DOTPF) by Director Craig  Tornga and Director                                                               
Dom Pannone.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:44:07 PM                                                                                                                    
DOM  PANNONE, Director,  Program  Management and  Administration,                                                               
Department  of  Transportation  and  Public  Facilities  (DOTPF),                                                               
Juneau, Alaska, introduced himself.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:44:23 PM                                                                                                                    
CRAIG  TORNGA,  Marine  Director, Alaska  Marine  Highway  System                                                               
(AMHS),  Department  of   Transportation  and  Public  Facilities                                                               
(DOTPF), Ketchikan,  Alaska, introduced  himself and  advanced to                                                               
Slide 2:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                             SAFETY                                                                                           
                                                                                                                              
                       AMHS Safety Goal:                                                                                      
                NO HARM to People, Environment,                                                                               
                         and Equipment                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     2024 Safety Results                                                                                                      
          51 injuries:  14 strains, 13 slip,  trip, or fall,                                                                
          5 struck  or hit  an object, 5  finger, 4  burn, 3                                                            
          other,  2 absorption,  ingestion or  inhalation, 2                                                                
         cut, 1 eye, 1 chest pain, 1 repetitive motion                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     No spills to the water from terminals and vessels                                                                        
     No collisions or allisions                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TORNGA   said  that  AMHS  recently   began  tracking  these                                                               
statistics,  which will  help AMHS  improve operations.  He noted                                                               
six  customer  spills  that  were contained  to  the  vessel.  He                                                               
briefly explained how terminal guards  ensure spills do not reach                                                               
drains.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:46:29 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN asked how customers create spills.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:46:37 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. TORNGA explained that cars  sometimes leak transmission fluid                                                               
or  antifreeze (among  other things).  He  briefly described  the                                                               
tools used  to capture leaks. He  noted that the majority  of the                                                               
spills were at the Whittier  terminal while vehicles were waiting                                                               
to embark.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:47:22 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR TOBIN asked about the finger injuries listed on Slide 2.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:47:45 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  TORNGA  clarified  that  the  slide  is  referring  to  five                                                               
fingers.  He added  that most  individuals  were wearing  gloves,                                                               
which minimizes damage.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:48:30 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. TORNGA advanced to Slide 3 and discussed fleet reliability:                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     RELIABILITY                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
        • Shipyard Delays with steel repairs due to wastage                                                                     
             • LECONTE, TUSTUMENA, AURORA, COLUMBIA                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
        • Implemented   Computer    Maintenance   Management                                                                    
          System (CMMS) in 2024; all vessels are in the                                                                         
          system and using all functions                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
        • 2024 Operational Uptime Percentage         98.51                                                                      
          percent                                                                                                               
             • 35,420.25 operating hours / 527.75 out of                                                                        
               service hours                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. TORNGA said  that many reliability issues are  related to the                                                               
age  of the  fleet.  He  described the  repairs  needed for  each                                                               
vessel  and  offered a  timeline  for  their  return to  use.  He                                                               
described the new computer  maintenance management system (CMMS).                                                               
A  drydock module  is forthcoming.  He said  AMHS recently  began                                                               
tracking reliability  statistics, which  is tracked as  an uptime                                                               
percentage. This percentage applies  to vessels in operation. The                                                               
target uptime percentage is 99 percent.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:51:45 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. TORNGA advanced to Slide 4 and discussed crewing operations:                                                                
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
            2024 CREWING OPERATIONS AND SEPARATIONS                                                                           
                                                                                                                              
     Masters, Mates and Pilots (MMP)                                                                                          
     Hired 7 with 11 Separated                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Marine Engineer's Beneficial Assoc. (MEBA)                                                                               
     Hired 1 with 8 Separated                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Inlandboatmen's Union (IBU) Engine                                                                                       
     Hired 8 with 6 Separated                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Inlandboatmen's Union (IBU) Deck                                                                                         
     Hired 15 with 20 Separated                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Inlandboatmen's Union (IBU) Steward                                                                                      
     Hired 79 with 41 Separated                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     MV Matanuska serving as a hotel ship                                                                                     
        • Meeting     Collective    Bargaining     Agreement                                                                    
          Requirements                                                                                                          
        • Ketchikan and Southeast facing a Housing Shortage                                                                     
        • Temporary housing for training events and new                                                                         
          hires, offsets hotel (if available) and other                                                                         
          quartering costs                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
         Looking for creative solutions to housing and                                                                        
     quartering staff                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     [Slide 4  includes a table  comparing the Base  Pay for                                                                    
     key  AMHS crew  positions  compared with  the Base  Pay                                                                    
     (unverified)   for   Washington    State   Ferry   crew                                                                    
     positions.]                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. TORNGA explained that Masters, Mates, and Pilots (MMP)                                                                      
separations were primarily due to retirement. Engineering                                                                       
separations are related to a national engineering shortage.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:54:57 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL asked whether AMHS  has shared this information has                                                               
with its bargaining units.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:55:17 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. TORNGA replied yes.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:55:30 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  BJORKMAN  asked  about  the  path  to  becoming  a  marine                                                               
engineer.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:55:41 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  TORNGA   briefly  explained  the  process,   which  includes                                                               
completing a  4-year program  or working  up from  an entry-level                                                               
position.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:57:55 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN asked what a wiper does.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. TORNGA  explained that "wiper"  is a term for  an entry-level                                                               
position and refers to the  work of wiping down engines, clearing                                                               
oil,  and  performing  preventative maintenance  to  support  the                                                               
engineers.  He   briefly  explained  the  different   levels  and                                                               
locations for this position.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:58:34 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN  noted previous discussions regarding  the cost to                                                               
maintain the Matanuska  as part of the fleet. He  asked about the                                                               
cost benefit of using the Matanuska as a hotel ship.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:58:51 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. TORNGA  replied that  a fixed facility  for lodging  would be                                                               
more cost-effective.  He said  that using  the ship  for training                                                               
has been  beneficial; however, it  is an expensive  option. Costs                                                               
could  be reduced  by  moving  the ship  into  lay-up status.  He                                                               
briefly discussed the options to lower the cost.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:59:54 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. TORNGA advanced  to Slide 5 and  discussed crewing operations                                                               
by position.  Slide 5 contains a  chart of the needs  and current                                                               
numbers for various positions. He  noted successes with the third                                                               
mate  position and  explained pilotage  requirements. There  have                                                               
been shortages with engineering crew.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:01:41 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  TORNGA advanced  to  Slide 6  and  discussed AMHS  workforce                                                               
initiatives. He  noted that it  can be challenging  for employees                                                               
to  find housing  in  Southeast; hiring  locally  helps to  avoid                                                               
housing  issues.   AMHS  initiatives  include   school  outreach,                                                               
community   partnerships,   and   in-state   travel   (to   avoid                                                               
relocation).                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:04:09 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. TORNGA  briefly discussed career pathways,  job fairs, course                                                               
requirements, and training  grants. There is funding  to create 8                                                               
new licensed positions. This will help to fill position gaps.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:05:37 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEDMAN asked for a synopsis of the hiring process.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:06:12 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  TORNGA said  AMHS has  streamlined the  application process.                                                               
Someone  who has  the required  certificate will  be hired  for a                                                               
position  if  there  is  an  opening.  He  added  that  there  is                                                               
availability  for   the  ordinary  seaman  position.   There  are                                                               
typically  12-15  new  hires  each  month  (primarily  stewards).                                                               
Alaska hires are  the primary focus and there is  a hiring bonus.                                                               
He noted  high overturn.  It is more  difficult to  fill licensed                                                               
positions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:08:08 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEDMAN  asked about the  hiring process for  someone who                                                               
is not a seaman.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:08:30 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. TORNGA explained the process  of obtaining certification. The                                                               
process is  roughly 5-6 weeks,  with some candidates  working and                                                               
training  onboard  while  they obtain  their  certification.  New                                                               
hires  must also  obtain a  Transportation Worker  Identification                                                               
Credential  (TWIC)  card  and   various  training  courses.  AMHS                                                               
partners  with  the  University  of  Alaska  Southeast  (UAS)  in                                                               
Ketchikan  and  Alaska  Vocational Technical  Center  (AVTEC)  to                                                               
provide the necessary training courses.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:10:37 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  PANNONE  advanced  to  Slide  7  and  discussed  operational                                                               
funding  for 2023-2025.  This includes  Infrastructure Investment                                                               
and Jobs  Act (IIJA) Rural  Ferry Grant  Program (49 USC  § 5334)                                                               
and  Formula Programs  (23 USC  §§ 218,  147, 139).  The proposed                                                               
budget  for calendar  year 2026  includes a  $46 million  federal                                                               
grant.   $20.7  AMHS   revenue   funds  and   $61.4  million   of                                                               
unrestricted general funds.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:11:44 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. PANNONE advanced  to Slide 8 and  discussed operating budget,                                                               
expenditure, and  revenue trends from  2016 to present.  He noted                                                               
that  actual expenses  were less  than budgeted  amounts, due  to                                                               
crew  requirements.  AMHS  has relied  significantly  on  federal                                                               
funds,  decreasing the  impact of  reduced  revenues. He  briefly                                                               
discussed the  reduced revenues from  the peak in  2019. Revenues                                                               
have not recovered fully from  Covid-19 shutdowns. Revenues are a                                                               
significant long-range focus.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:12:49 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. PANNONE  advanced to Slide  9 and discussed  AMHS's ridership                                                               
history from  1990 to present.  Slide 9 includes a  graph showing                                                               
passengers, vehicles,  vessels operating, and budget  actuals. He                                                               
said  there  is  a  strong  correlation  between  the  number  of                                                               
available ships  and the amount  of funds  spent. He noted  a dip                                                               
during  the Covid-19  pandemic with  steady  recovery after  that                                                               
time.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:13:38 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL directed  attention  to  Slide 8  and  noted a  $2                                                               
million  AMHS revenue  drop  from 2023-2024.  He  then turned  to                                                               
Slide  9 and  noted  what  appears to  be  a  slight increase  in                                                               
passengers  and  vehicles  in  2024   over  2023.  He  asked  for                                                               
clarification.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:14:04 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. PANNONE said that the  revenue is attributed to the different                                                               
vessels and  routes the ridership  was taking. He  explained that                                                               
in those years,  there was a significant amount  of ridership for                                                               
Southeast-only  routes (as  opposed to  Bellingham routes,  which                                                               
result in  significantly more revenue).  Shorter trips  result in                                                               
lower revenue, even though ridership is up.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:14:34 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. TORNGA  added that in 2024,  the Bellingham route was  run by                                                               
the  Kennicott rather  than  the Columbia.  The  Kennicott has  a                                                               
smaller  vehicle  deck,  which  resulted in  a  decline  in  that                                                               
(higher revenue)  route. The Hubbard  was introduced in  2023 for                                                               
Lynn  Canal,   which  increased  ridership  on   that  route.  He                                                               
explained  that much  of AMHS  revenue is  from vehicles,  rather                                                               
than walk-on passengers.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:15:34 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR   STEDMAN  asked   about  shoreside   infrastructure  and                                                               
personnel in  locations where a  ship is  in port once  every two                                                               
weeks.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:16:09 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  TORNGA  replied  there  is   a  lot  of  downtime  in  those                                                               
locations. He  added that it  has been  a challenge to  keep some                                                               
needed  personnel,  including  port  engineers  and  construction                                                               
engineers. He noted a recent  construction engineer hired for the                                                               
Tustumena replacement vessel.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:18:30 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  PANNONE advanced  to Slide  10 and  discussed Alaska  Marine                                                               
Highway System  Fund (AMHSF) (1076) (AS  19.65.060, AS 37.05.550)                                                               
and the AMHS  Vessel Replacement Fund (1082)  (AS 37.05.550). All                                                               
revenue generated  is deposited into  AMHSF. Slide 10  contains a                                                               
table   showing   the   history  of   balances,   revenues,   and                                                               
expenditures  for 2019  through 2024  and 2025-2026  projections.                                                               
Capital  and   overhaul  expenses  earn  federal   toll  credits,                                                               
allowing   AMHS   to   take    advantage   of   Federal   Transit                                                               
Administration  (FTA) funds.  He briefly  explained how  revenues                                                               
impact funding and AMHS's long-term funding plan.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:20:14 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEDMAN  pointed out  that the  projected 2026  budget is                                                               
negative $8.5 million and asked about the plan to address this.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:20:35 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. PANNONE  explained that  the projected  amounts are  based on                                                               
ridership  and revenues  remaining the  same. Additional  funding                                                               
mechanisms - or a decrease in  AMHS's operating budget - would be                                                               
needed in  this case. AMHS  could also  apply for Title  23 grant                                                               
funds  from  the  Federal   Highway  Administration  (FHWA).  The                                                               
current goal is to increase revenue.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:21:14 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL acknowledged  the  goal of  increased revenue  but                                                               
pointed out that  2026 is fast approaching. He was  if there is a                                                               
plan to increase  revenue by the necessary  amount ($8.5 million)                                                               
in 15 months.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:21:37 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  PANNONE  answered that  the  current  year  has seen  an  18                                                               
percent increase  in revenue.  AMHS needs  around $4  million per                                                               
year to  reach the  revenues needed. He  explained that  AMHS can                                                               
shift the funds it is using.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:22:11 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL surmised  that  the budget  proposal  needs to  be                                                               
adjusted.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:22:18 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. PANNONE replied  that AMHS is focusing  on increasing revenue                                                               
and is not seeking an adjusted budget proposal at this time.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:22:31 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. TORNGA advanced to Slide 11 and discussed capital projects:                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Vessel Projects                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Vessel Capital Improvement Projects                                                                                      
        • TAZLINA Crew Quarters Addition                                                                                        
        • COLUMBIA Controllable Pitch Propellor Upgrade                                                                         
             • Project cancelled following Recent Risk                                                                          
               Assessment                                                                                                       
        • MATANUSKA  Audio Gauge reports at next Alaska                                                                         
          Marine Highway Operations Board (AMHOB) Meeting                                                                       
        • KENNICOTT Generator Upgrades Underway                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. TORNGA  said AMHS has been  working with FTA to  meet program                                                               
and  administrative requirements  for the  Tazlina crew  quarters                                                               
addition.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:26:03 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. TORNGA advanced  to Slide 12 and discussed the  status of the                                                               
various  AMHS Vessels.  Slide 12  contains  information for  each                                                               
vessel, including  current projects,  upgrades, and  age. Planned                                                               
future vessels are also included on this slide.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:27:41 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  TORNGA advanced  to  Slide 13  and  discussed the  Tustumena                                                               
Replacement Vessel Schedule. AMHS  is completing the final design                                                               
for the vehicle  lift. He briefly discussed  the power propulsion                                                               
unit, which  must be  completed before  the Request  for Proposal                                                               
(RFP) can go  out. There is a 30-month  construction timeline. He                                                               
noted that  the "Buy America"  component creates  additional work                                                               
on the front-end.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:29:44 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR   STEDMAN   commented   on   the   Tustumena   wheelhouse                                                               
configuration and asked whether  the design is intentionally old-                                                               
fashioned.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:30:03 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. TORNGA commented  that the replacement vessel  contains a lot                                                               
of  modernization; however,  he said  he understands  the comment                                                               
about the  wheelhouse design. He  explained that  the replacement                                                               
vessel  is  diesel/electric  and  has  redundancy  in  the  power                                                               
system. He briefly  described the power system  and its benefits.                                                               
He  emphasized that  the  new system  would  be more  accessible,                                                               
resulting in greater ease with  maintenance. He also noted that a                                                               
new boiler system.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:33:34 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  TORNGA advanced  to Slide  14 and  continued to  discuss the                                                               
Tustumena replacement  vessel. He explained that  the replacement                                                               
wheelhouse will  have excellent visibility. He  briefly described                                                               
the design process.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:35:04 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  TORNGA advanced  to  Slide 15  and  discussed AMHS  terminal                                                               
infrastructure  improvements.   Improvements  would   total  $170                                                               
million and would include 33  AMHS ports and 12 terminal projects                                                               
(2024-2027).   Slide  15   contains  a   map  of   locations  and                                                               
improvement projects.  He explained  that one long-range  plan is                                                               
to standardize terminals. All funds are managed by DOTPF.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:36:10 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. TORNGA advanced to Slide 16:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Long Range Plan Focus Areas                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Service                                                                                                                  
     Provide a service that is safe, reliable, and connects                                                                     
     our communities                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Fleet and Terminal Infrastructure                                                                                        
     Modernize and update our fleet and terminal assets to                                                                      
     promote resiliency and standardization                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Workforce                                                                                                                
     Continue to build and support a reliable workforce                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Financial Efficiency and Sustainability                                                                                  
     Promote financial efficiency and sustainability                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. TORNGA emphasized the work done regarding service, which                                                                    
included focus groups to better understand community wants and                                                                  
needs.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:37:18 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. TORNGA advanced to Slide 17 and discussed Modernization and                                                                 
Standardization:                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     An Aging Fleet                                                                                                           
     Modernization and Standardization                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     The  AMHS   fleet  is   comprised  of   older  vessels.                                                                    
     Modernizing and replacing  vessels will provide updated                                                                    
     systems and  can decrease  the likelihood  of unplanned                                                                    
     service outages.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Standardization  increases  uniformity and  consistency                                                                    
     of  vessels  in  the  fleet.   A  standard  fleet  also                                                                    
     improves flexibility  and reliability  in the  event of                                                                    
     vessel  technical issues,  as  more  vessels can  serve                                                                    
     more routes.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Recommended Standardization                                                                                                
        • Loading Door Locations                                                                                                
        • Pilothouse Design                                                                                                     
        • Power and Propulsion Systems                                                                                          
        • Berthing and Mooring Structures                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Benefits                                                                                                                   
        • Interoperability                                                                                                      
        • Schedule Flexibility                                                                                                  
        • Easier Crew Training                                                                                                  
        • Simpler Procurement                                                                                                   
        • Reliability                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     30-35: Target age of vessel maintenance life                                                                             
     5: Vessels under the age of 30                                                                                           
     55: Average age of vessels over 30                                                                                       
     61: Oldest AMHS vessel                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:40:00 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  STEDMAN   noted  committee  members'  interest   in  the                                                               
discussion of phasing out older vessels.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:40:17 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  TORNGA related  a story  of how  he sold  the first  boat he                                                               
sailed on and commented that sentimentality can be costly.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:40:48 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. TORNGA advanced to Slide 18 and discussed fleet analysis:                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Components of Fleet Analysis                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Model included considerations/inputs such as:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
        • Capacity                                                                                                              
             • Vehicle Capacity                                                                                                 
             • Passenger Capacity                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
        • Cost                                                                                                                  
             • Fleet Capital Cost                                                                                               
             • Fleet Operational Cost                                                                                           
             • Farebox Recovery Rate                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
        • Route Profile                                                                                                         
             • Distance/Travel time between ports                                                                               
             • Total Workforce Size                                                                                             
             • Vessel Crewing Requirements                                                                                      
             • Level of Service                                                                                                 
             • Fleet Redundancy                                                                                                 
             • Maintenance Weeks                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TORNGA  briefly described  the  process  and tools  used  to                                                               
conduct the fleet analysis.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:42:52 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL asked  about the  degree to  which route  profiles                                                               
considered sea  and weather states  - and the new  ships' ability                                                               
to handle these.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:43:12 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  TORNGA  said   AMHS  did  consider  this.   He  noted  that,                                                               
currently, the Yakutat  route is dependent on  the Kennicott. The                                                               
long-range  plan is  to change  the  Yakutat dock  to a  floating                                                               
dock,  thus allowing  the mainline  ocean-class  vessels to  dock                                                               
there. He  briefly discussed how ships  would be able to  fill in                                                               
for various routes.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:44:56 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  pointed out  that weather  can vary  greatly along                                                               
different routes, particularly in winter.  He said he wants to be                                                               
sure the modeling and profiling is considering this.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:45:34 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. TORNGA agreed  and indicated that the  modeling and profiling                                                               
is considering this.  He reiterated that all the  new vessels are                                                               
diesel/electric and explained why  this redundancy is preferable.                                                               
With  respect to  icing and  spray,  he said  that vessels  would                                                               
still have  an open  deck. He  briefly discussed  how the  bow of                                                               
various vessels is  designed to minimize spray. He  noted ease of                                                               
maintenance and lowered costs.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:48:21 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  STEDMAN commented  that  residents  of Southeast  Alaska                                                               
would like  to take the ferry  to Prince Rupert and/or  Hyder. He                                                               
noted that  many residents  cannot afford to  take the  ferry all                                                               
the way to  Bellingham and would prefer to ferry  to Price Rupert                                                               
and drive  down. He opined  that a  solution is needed  and noted                                                               
that  revenue  is one  consideration.  He  suggested that  Prince                                                               
Rupert  could   be  added  without   cutting  revenue   from  the                                                               
Bellingham route.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:49:09 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  TORNGA  replied that  the  long-range  plan includes  Prince                                                               
Rupert or Hyder.  He indicated that a waiver for  the Buy America                                                               
requirement is  the deciding factor  for this route  addition. If                                                               
AMHS does not receive a  waiver, the necessary federal funds will                                                               
not be accessible.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:49:40 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEDMAN  opined that residents  are less  concerned about                                                               
how they reach Prince Rupert and simply want access.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:50:02 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  TORNGA expressed  understanding  and noted  STIP funding  to                                                               
complete a  study on the  dock at [Prince Rupert].  The resulting                                                               
data would  allow plans to  move forward.  He said that  AMHS has                                                               
considered  potential dock  layouts and  expressed confidence  in                                                               
the  project's feasibility.  AMHS  has  contacted FHWA  regarding                                                               
funds  for a  facility at  [Prince Rupert];  FHWA indicated  that                                                               
this was a possibility.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:51:17 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  STEDMAN  asked  for  confirmation  that  Mr.  Tornga  is                                                               
referring to Prince Rupert and not Hyder.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. TORNGA confirmed that he was referring to Prince Rupert.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:51:30 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. TORNGA advanced  to Slide 19 and provided an  overview of the                                                               
2045 fleet configuration:                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
      The 2045 fleet is a mix of two existing vessels and                                                                       
     six new builds to create a standardized, reliable, and                                                                     
     efficient system.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
        • Low-No I - Shuttle (new)                                                                                              
        • Low-No II - Shuttle (new)                                                                                             
        • TRV - Tustumena Replacement Vessel (new)                                                                              
        • MRV I - Mainliner Replacement Vessel (new)                                                                            
        • MRV II - Mainliner Replacement Vessel (new)                                                                           
        • DB - Dayboat Replacement Vessel (new)                                                                                 
        • Hubbard - Dayboat                                                                                                     
        • Tazlina - Dayboat                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TORNGA  explained that  this  configuration  has the  lowest                                                               
associated cost and ensures that  there are backup vessels across                                                               
the fleet. He briefly discussed speed and coverage improvements.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:53:45 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. TORNGA advanced  to Slide 20 and discussed  the short-, mid-,                                                               
and long-term  plans for vessel  replacements. Slide  20 contains                                                               
an  infographic to  illustrate the  short-,  mid-, and  long-term                                                               
plans   for   vessel    replacement   (breaking   down   contract                                                               
design/contracting  and detail  design/construction) and  the age                                                               
of  each vessel  at the  time of  replacement. He  indicated that                                                               
more  specific  dates are  available.  He  briefly discussed  the                                                               
construction speed for different  vessels. He emphasized the role                                                               
that new vessels play in fleet reliability.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:54:43 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  TORNGA  advanced to  Slide  21  and  discussed the  path  to                                                               
reliability:                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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     Period of Variability: 2025-2028                                                                                           
        • 5,200 Average Annual Port Calls                                                                                       
        • New Vessel Online: Low-No I Shuttle                                                                                   
        • 13 Terminal Projects Ongoing                                                                                          
        • Average Fleet Age: 36                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Initial Success: 2029-2035                                                                                                 
        • 6,300 Average Annual Port Calls                                                                                       
        • New Vessels Online: TRV; MRV I; Dayboat                                                                               
        • 29 Terminal Projects Ongoing                                                                                          
        • Average Fleet Age: 20                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Reliable Expansion: 2036-2045                                                                                              
        • 6,700 Average Annual Port Calls                                                                                       
        • New Vessels Online: MRV II; Low-No II                                                                                 
        • 40 Terminal Projects Ongoing                                                                                          
        • Average Fleet Age: 13                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:56:16 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  SHOWER commented  that Southwest  and Southeast  rely on                                                               
ferries  for transportation  between communities  and funding  is                                                               
necessary. He  asked for confirmation  of his  understanding that                                                               
AMHS is moving toward a  fleet that has greater flexibility, made                                                               
up of more small vessels that run with greater efficiency.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. TORNGA  confirmed this understanding. He  explained that AMHS                                                               
is  considering the  fleet, rather  than  focusing on  individual                                                               
vessels.  Routes are  also  considered, as  long  runs require  a                                                               
large  vessel.   He  added  that  timing,   efficiency  and  crew                                                               
requirements must  be considered in  light of new US  Coast Guard                                                               
(USCG) work-rest  rules. A smaller  fleet also means  that backup                                                               
crews must be  reconfigured. He reiterated that  AMHS is focusing                                                               
on the fleet while ensuring efficiency for the primary task.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:59:07 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. TORNGA advanced to Slide 22 and discussed next steps:                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Next Steps                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     LRP Document Prep and Review                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     30-Day Public Review Period                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Project Completion and Interim Updates                                                                                   
     Once the  draft document is  complete, there will  be a                                                                    
     30-day  public   comment  period.  Once  the   Plan  is                                                                    
     complete, the work won't be  done! The plan is a living                                                                    
     document  and  will  be revisited  every  5  years  for                                                                    
     project updates and implementation reports.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:59:49 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  BJORKMAN thanked  the presenters.  He  encouraged AMHS  to                                                               
work on  increasing ridership.  He said  that a  cross-gulf ferry                                                               
service would  be utilized  by his  constituents. He  stated that                                                               
many  of his  constituents  would take  advantage  of a  reliable                                                               
ferry from Homer  to Kodiak. He emphasized the  need for reliable                                                               
service at intervals that make  sense for Alaskans' travel needs.                                                               
He asked about how ferry routes are determined.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:00:58 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  TORNGA   answered  that  ferry  focus   meetings  emphasized                                                               
schedule  reliability. Businesses  also emphasized  the need  for                                                               
reliability. He expressed understanding  and stated that one goal                                                               
of AMHS is to create a reliable schedule.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:01:42 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN  commented on the  impact that  cancellations have                                                               
on  travelers  -  particularly when  canceled  sailings  are  not                                                               
rescheduled as  soon as  possible. He  criticized AMHS's  lack of                                                               
consideration  for   travelers  impacted  by   cancellations  and                                                               
questioned  the  decision to  not  reschedule  sailings that  and                                                               
leave travelers -  and their belongings -  stranded. He expressed                                                               
frustration  that  AMHS  does  not   uphold  commitments  to  its                                                               
ridership -  and yet is  seeking public support for  the services                                                               
it provides.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:02:37 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. TORNGA  expressed his understanding.  He emphasized  that the                                                               
long-range plan  is to return  to reliable service and  this goal                                                               
can be  achieved with  the necessary  support and  initiatives in                                                               
place.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:03:22 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN thanked the presenters.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:03:27 PM                                                                                                                    
There being  no further  business to  come before  the committee,                                                               
Chair  Bjorkman  adjourned  the  Senate  Transportation  Standing                                                               
Committee meeting at 3:03 p.m.                                                                                                  

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AMHS Overview 2025 03042025.pdf STRA 3/4/2025 1:30:00 PM