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04/02/2007 08:00 AM Senate SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION


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08:04:35 AM Start
08:07:25 AM Vocational Transitional Skills Program Roll-out
08:58:47 AM Adjourn
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Vocational Transitional Skills Program
Roll-Out
Presentation by Commissioner Sampson
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
             SENATE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION                                                                            
                         April 2, 2007                                                                                          
                           8:04 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Gary Stevens, Chair                                                                                                     
Senator Charlie Huggins, Vice Chair                                                                                             
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bettye Davis                                                                                                            
Senator Gary Wilken                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Overview: Vocational Transitional Skills Program                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
Roger Sampson, Commissioner                                                                                                     
Department of Education and Early Development (DEED)                                                                            
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented overview                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Click Bishop, Commissioner                                                                                                      
Department of Labor and Workforce Development                                                                                   
Juneau, AK                                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT: Participated in overview                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GARY STEVENS called the Senate Special Committee on                                                                     
Education meeting to order at 8:04:35 AM. Present at the call to                                                              
order were Senators Olson, Huggins, and Chair Stevens.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
        ^VOCATIONAL TRANSITIONAL SKILLS PROGRAM ROLL-OUT                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROGER SAMPSON,  Commissioner for the Department  of Education and                                                               
Early  Development  (DEED), said  that  the  department has  been                                                               
looking  for  a  way  to  emphasize  work-ready  skills  in  K-12                                                               
education. He  explained the  differences between  work-ready and                                                               
college-ready skills,  and how they're divided  into foundational                                                               
skills, technical skills, and soft skills.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:07:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He said  that currently  school education  is based  on textbooks                                                               
and theory,  which leads to  non-practicality of skills  for many                                                               
youth;  the  context  of workplaces  and  postsecondary  training                                                               
situations  needs to  be considered.  The  job skills  assessment                                                               
program that he was presenting,  WorkKeys, would provide a way to                                                               
assess  skills, profile  jobs, and  educate  and train  students,                                                               
helping  to  fix  the  gap   between  school  and  post-secondary                                                               
education readiness.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
He explained  that WorkKeys  assesses students'  capabilities for                                                               
particular  jobs on  a  scale of  one to  seven,  based on  their                                                               
capabilities  in three  areas: applied  mathematics, reading  for                                                               
information, and locating information.  He then explained how the                                                               
scoring system would  rate a potential employee or  student for a                                                               
particular  job.  A  curriculum  has  been  developed  to  target                                                               
specific  skills  associated  to  certain jobs.  The  skills  are                                                               
aligned with  Alaskan standards,  and there are  management tools                                                               
for  teachers   and  administration  included;  the   program  is                                                               
proficiency-based,  so   students  don't  advance   just  because                                                               
they've finished a level of the course.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:14:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS asked if Commissioner  Sampson would consider the                                                               
program to be standards-based.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SAMPSON  replied that  he would.  He added  that the                                                               
programs  are available  online or  in hard  copy, and  there are                                                               
informative  assessments  included. He  then  showed  a slide  to                                                               
demonstrate how  the system would  evaluate students  for certain                                                               
jobs including  nurses' assistants and orderlies.  Many employers                                                               
don't have enough of an employee pool from which to choose.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:17:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS asked if Commissioner  Sampson had any statistics                                                               
on workers' compensation.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SAMPSON  replied that  he did have  some information                                                               
provided by  current program users  like the  MidAmerica Pipeline                                                               
Company, who use the program to solve employment issues.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:18:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CLICK  BISHOP,  Commissioner  for  the Department  of  Labor  and                                                               
Workforce  Development  (DLWD), said  that  he  didn't have  such                                                               
information with him.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS said that he  would assume that successful people                                                               
in the workplace would be one of the highlights of the program.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  SAMPSON explained  how a  diagnostic test  could be                                                               
performed on a  middle school student to determine  what kinds of                                                               
jobs  would be  appropriate for  him  or her;  it will  encourage                                                               
students  to reach  a  higher level  of evaluation  so  as to  be                                                               
qualified for more different jobs.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:20:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  SAMPSON said  that  people tend  to  say that  kids                                                               
don't know anything, and so  the high school qualifying exit exam                                                               
was  created  to have  a  benchmark.  However, people  are  still                                                               
opining that kids don't learn  enough, so this program will teach                                                               
them to  learn how to apply  their knowledge in a  more practical                                                               
way.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HUGGINS   asked  if   determination  of   motivation  is                                                               
accounted for in the model.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SAMPSON  replied that that  is part of  the program,                                                               
in a broad  way. It shows to  kids that there's a  huge number of                                                               
professions available for them to aspire to.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:22:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  BISHOP added  that in  visiting many  schools, he's                                                               
seen that once a student  looks at the thousands of opportunities                                                               
available,  they really  see what  the  results of  hard work  in                                                               
school can be.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS said  that the program seems to mesh  well with the                                                               
fact  that  many  people  will have  multiple  careers  in  their                                                               
lifetime.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:23:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SAMPSON  said that on average  people change careers                                                               
14  times by  the age  of  38. The  last section  of the  program                                                               
addresses  this issue  question; better  hiring results  in lower                                                               
job turnover.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:24:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER BISHOP  emphasized that decreased training  time and                                                               
costs are hugely important to businesses.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS said that the  program is similar to the European                                                               
schooling model, and that in  his opinion many people make career                                                               
decisions based  on examples they see  in life and not  on a book                                                               
system.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  BISHOP said  that he  has met  a lot  of school-age                                                               
youth who don't know what they want to do yet.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS  said that maybe  the program  would help a  lot of                                                               
youth determine a career path.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS  said that he  thinks this program would  be more                                                               
effective in addressing truancy than truancy officers.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SAMPSON  said that programs like  WorkKeys have been                                                               
reducing  employee   turnover,  overtime,  training   costs,  and                                                               
improving profit. He  used the example of MidAmerica  to show the                                                               
benefits  of  the  program,  and said  that  the  business  world                                                               
supports this national standardized  curriculum. So far, no state                                                               
has implemented  this program at  the K-12 level, but  those that                                                               
have used it  at secondary schools have seen  increased exit exam                                                               
levels,  SAT and  ACT scores  have improved,  and graduation  and                                                               
attendance rates have improved.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:30:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He said that  employers have made it clear what  they want to see                                                               
in potential employees,  and Alaska needs to  look into different                                                               
ways to  prepare its  graduates; this element  of the  program is                                                               
not as developed as other areas.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS said  that the program reminds him  of an Alaskan                                                               
youth academy,  which was  initially comprised  of kids  who were                                                               
bright  but  directionless.  In  later years,  the  kids  in  the                                                               
program wanted to find a system to give them direction.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:32:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SAMPSON  explained that the WorkKeys  program offers                                                               
a Career  Readiness Certificate (CRC)  that allows  an individual                                                               
to document his  or her skills, and it provides  a measuring tool                                                               
for  employers.  He said  that  education  can  be tied  to  life                                                               
outside  of  and   beyond  school  through  the   CRC,  which  is                                                               
nationally  recognized. Schools  are  frustrated  with trying  to                                                               
remediate students who leave high  school unprepared; the program                                                               
is a  national training tool  that provides a means  of measuring                                                               
skills across the board.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He explained that  incentives for a good program  outcome need to                                                               
be  made available  through job  shadowing, internships,  reduced                                                               
training  fees, and  vouchers  for  post-secondary education.  He                                                               
gave an example  of how schools and businesses  are interested in                                                               
using this  program, and  showed an  example of  how a  CRC would                                                               
benefit a prospective employee.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:37:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He explained  how the program  is really just  another curriculum                                                               
idea, but that it's nationally  recognized and easily measurable.                                                               
He proposed that  the state adopt a regulation to  do a placement                                                               
test  with young  students, and  explained how  the scale  of the                                                               
scoring system works.  The program could be used by  a teacher in                                                               
a variety of ways, even with  young students; if they see reasons                                                               
to increase their scores, they will  try to do so. Requiring this                                                               
certificate will  go a  long way  in getting  students to  try to                                                               
improve their performance.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He suggested that  the CRCs will attract many  students who would                                                               
otherwise fail  in the  later years of  high school.  The program                                                               
would allow emphasis  in technical skills early on  for youth who                                                               
are otherwise  uninterested in  academia; it  can be  managed the                                                               
first few  years through  the Department  of Education  and Early                                                               
Development (DEED), if individual districts  choose not to do so.                                                               
No new staff will need to be hired.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:42:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STEVENS thanked  Commissioner  Sampson and  asked how  the                                                               
WorkKeys  program  will  improve  education,  and  what  sort  of                                                               
category the program fits into.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SAMPSON said  that the program is  being promoted by                                                               
the private sector  as a way to teach kids  the proper skills for                                                               
the  positions for  which they're  hiring.  Districts using  this                                                               
curriculum  have  seen improvements  not  only  in the  technical                                                               
aspects of education but in  general study as well. Many teachers                                                               
don't see the practicality of  technical skills, so WorkKeys will                                                               
provide instructional  guidance for that area.  He explained that                                                               
there  are only  two companies  that have  provided this  sort of                                                               
program in the US so far, and it's relatively inexpensive.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:46:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS  said that  while the  program makes  sense, many                                                               
students do go  to college, and he asked how  the program will be                                                               
kept from following the model of other educational systems.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SAMPSON replied  that subjects can be  taught in two                                                               
different  ways;  teaching the  skill,  and  teaching ability  of                                                               
applying  the  skill. Most  schools  in  the country  just  teach                                                               
knowledge, and not application and analysis.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:48:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS  asked if  any school  principal could  decide to                                                               
use the program, or if an entire district must decide together.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SAMPSON  replied that any student  would have access                                                               
to the program whether their school  utilized it or not. It would                                                               
be more effective with a school-wide  base, but it can be done on                                                               
one's own.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS  asked if school  districts will want to  do this                                                               
program, or if they might not be able to afford it.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SAMPSON  said that ideally  no one new will  have to                                                               
be hired to  do this program, and hopefully schools  will see the                                                               
usefulness of WorkKeys  and will at least  offer students access.                                                               
He  gave an  example  of a  district that  used  the program  and                                                               
explained how  useful the  concept could be  in giving  a student                                                               
direction.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:51:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS asked  for the Board of Education's  opinion of the                                                               
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  SAMPSON said  that the  board is  prepared to  move                                                               
forward with  the program, and  that there's no devaluing  in the                                                               
program  regarding   collegiate  versus   technical  application.                                                               
Commissioner  Bishop is  working on  securing funding  for buying                                                               
the  licensing  and  training,   and  regulation  development  is                                                               
underway.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:53:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STEVENS said  that the  program may  be out  of date  in a                                                               
certain period of time, and asked how this can be avoided.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:54:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SAMPSON  said that  the job  index is  updated every                                                               
five  years, and  the  program is  mostly  about transition,  not                                                               
necessarily  specific job  training; the  skills taught  are core                                                               
skills that will be applicable for a lifetime.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS said that the  program is exciting, and asked where                                                               
support will need to come from.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SAMPSON said  that he sees the program as  a way for                                                               
the DLWD and  DEED to work together, and that  the model needs to                                                               
be  moved forward  without immediately  asking  for funding;  the                                                               
licensing  and  processing  can   be  done  without  a  financial                                                               
commitment  this fiscal  year, and  only minimal  support in  the                                                               
future.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:56:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  BISHOP commented  that  this program  is the  first                                                               
step in an important process.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS agreed  that the program will have a  big impact on                                                               
Alaskan schools.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SAMPSON said that the  truancy issue would be better                                                               
resolved by a program such  as WorkKeys, where the officers could                                                               
spend time  talking to kids  about job possibilities. If  the CRC                                                               
could be made motivating and  stimulating to youth, it would help                                                               
more remain in school and graduate.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
There being  no further  business to  come before  the committee,                                                               
Chair Stevens adjourned the meeting at 8:58:47 AM.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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