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05/16/2025 03:30 PM Senate RESOURCES

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03:31:20 PM Presentation(s): Alaska Railbelt Reliability Council Update
04:34:27 PM Adjourn
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Lou Florence - Board Chair, RRC
Ed Jenkin - CEO, RRC
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                          May 16, 2025                                                                                          
                           3:30 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Cathy Giessel, Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Matt Claman                                                                                                             
Senator Forrest Dunbar                                                                                                          
Senator Scott Kawasaki                                                                                                          
Senator Shelley Hughes                                                                                                          
Senator Robert Myers                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bill Wielechowski, Vice Chair                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ky Holland                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION(S): ALASKA RAILBELT RELIABILITY COUNCIL                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ED JENKIN, President and Chief Executive Officer (CEO)                                                                          
Alaska Railbelt Reliability Council (RRC)                                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Co-presented the Alaska Railbelt Reliability                                                              
Council Update.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
LOU FLORENCE, Chair                                                                                                             
Board of Directors and Executive Committee                                                                                      
Alaska Railbelt Reliability Council (RRC)                                                                                       
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Co-presented the Alaska Railbelt Reliability                                                              
Council Update.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:30:49 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  GIESSEL called  the  Senate  Resources Standing  Committee                                                               
meeting to order  at 3:30 p.m. Present at the  call to order were                                                               
Senators  Myers,  Dunbar,  Hughes,  Claman,  and  Chair  Giessel.                                                               
Senator Kawasaki arrived thereafter.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION(S): ALASKA RAILBELT RELIABILITY COUNCIL UPDATE                                                                    
  PRESENTATION(S): ALASKA RAILBELT RELIABILITY COUNCIL UPDATE                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:31:20 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  GIESSEL   announced  the  presentation,   Alaska  Railbelt                                                               
Reliability Council Update.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:31:54 PM                                                                                                                    
ED JENKIN,  President and Chief  Executive Officer  (CEO), Alaska                                                               
Railbelt   Reliability   Council    (RRC),   Anchorage,   Alaska,                                                               
introduced himself  and provided a  brief history of his  work in                                                               
the utility industry.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:33:28 PM                                                                                                                    
LOU FLORENCE, Chair, Board of  Directors and Executive Committee,                                                               
Alaska  Railbelt Reliability  Council  (RRC), Fairbanks,  Alaska,                                                               
introduced himself  and provided a  brief history of his  work on                                                               
the  RRC  Board of  Directors  (RRC  Board)  and in  the  utility                                                               
industry.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:34:32 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. JENKIN advanced  to slide 2 and explained the  agenda for the                                                               
presentation:                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Agenda                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
        ? The Railbelt Power System                                                                                             
        ? Who is the RRC                                                                                                        
        ? The RRC's Purpose                                                                                                     
        ? Why the RRC was Formed                                                                                                
        ? The RRC and the RTO                                                                                                   
        ? Standards and IRP Development                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:35:12 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  JENKIN advanced  to slide  3,  containing a  map of  various                                                               
electric associations and the City of Seward:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     The Railbelt Bulk Electric System                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
        ? An interconnected network of approx. 700 miles of                                                                     
          high  voltage  transmission   lines,  providing  a                                                                    
          physical path  to serve approximately 750  MW peak                                                                    
          load  from approx.  2 GW  of installed  generating                                                                    
          capacity                                                                                                              
        ? Operated by 5 interconnected public utilities, 1                                                                      
          Department of Defense (DoD) contractor, and the                                                                       
          State of Alaska.                                                                                                      
        ? Encompassing three regions connected by single                                                                        
          transmission lines with stability limits of about                                                                     
          10 percent of the peak load.                                                                                          
        ? Providing electricity for nearly three quarters                                                                       
          of Alaska's population.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENKIN directed  attention to the map on slide  3. He pointed                                                               
out  the   following  three   regions  and   associated  electric                                                               
utilities:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     North: Golden Valley in the North                                                                                        
        Central: Matanuska Electric Association, Chugach                                                                      
     Electric Association the City of Seward                                                                                    
     South: Homer Electric                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JENKIN  explained  how  a  lack  of  regional  planning  has                                                               
impacted  each   utility's  design   and  offered   examples.  He                                                               
emphasized that each utility has  designed its system to meet its                                                               
own needs  within its local region.  He noted a lack  of emphasis                                                               
on  communication  between the  various  regions  and offered  an                                                               
example to illustrate the impact this has on potential projects.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:37:09 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. JENKIN advanced to slide 4:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                        Who is the RRC?                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     A stakeholder organization                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     The RRC is governed by a thirteen voting-member board:                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
        ? 6 utilities (CEA, GVEA, HEA, MEA, Seward, Doyon                                                                       
          Utilities)                                                                                                            
        ? Alaska Energy Authority                                                                                               
        ? 2 Independent Power Producers                                                                                         
        ? 1    seat    advocating   for    residential-small                                                                    
          commercial interests (Alaska Public Interest                                                                          
          Research Group)                                                                                                       
        ? 1 seat advocating for large commercial and/or                                                                         
          industrial users (Fairbanks Gold Mining Inc./                                                                         
          Kinross)                                                                                                              
        ? 1 seat representing electricity consumers who                                                                         
          advocate   in   support   of  the   reduction   of                                                                    
          environmentally  harmful greenhouse  gas emissions                                                                    
          and/or other environmental  concerns regarding the                                                                    
          Railbelt electric system  (Renewable Energy Alaska                                                                    
          Project)                                                                                                              
        ? 1 independent, non-affiliated member                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     The RCA and RAPA each hold one non-voting, ex-officio                                                                    
     seat on the Board.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENKIN noted  that the Regulatory Commission  of Alaska (RCA)                                                               
regulates  RRC,  while  Regulatory Affairs  and  Public  Advocacy                                                               
(RAPA)   intercedes  on   behalf   of  the   public  during   RCA                                                               
proceedings. He  emphasized the  importance of  stakeholder input                                                               
and briefly discussed  the makeup of the board.  He explained the                                                               
board's role in moving plans and projects forward.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GIESSEL asked Mr. Jenkin to define RAPA.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENKIN  could not  recall what RAPA  stands for;  however, he                                                               
said it is  a public advocacy group  that is a part  of the State                                                               
of  Alaska. He  reiterated  that RAPA  advocates  for the  public                                                               
during RCA proceedings.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:39:47 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. JENKIN advanced to slide 5:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Who is the RRC                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
        ? CEO and Staff                                                                                                         
        ? Independent Technical Group (TAC)                                                                                     
        ? Working Groups                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENKIN  explained that he is  the only employee on  the board                                                               
and he  currently has two  staff members.  He shared the  goal of                                                               
having one engineer  and two support staff.  He briefly discussed                                                               
the  plan   for  bringing  RRC   into  compliance   with  adopted                                                               
standards, which will include bringing on additional staff.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:40:28 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. FLORENCE returned to Chair  Giessel's question about RAPA. He                                                               
said that  Regulatory Affairs  and Public  Advocacy (RAPA)  is an                                                               
office of  the Attorney  General within the  State of  Alaska. He                                                               
confirmed  that RAPA  typically intervenes  in matters  that come                                                               
before RCA.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:40:54 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  JENKIN  continued  to  discuss slide  5.  He  described  the                                                               
Technical Advisory  Council (TAC). He  emphasized that TAC  is an                                                               
independent council, providing  independent oversight and product                                                               
development.  He   briefly  discussed   the  working   group  and                                                               
highlighted the  role of stakeholders and  their representatives.                                                               
In addition,  he noted the  process for public  participation and                                                               
comment periods.  He stated  that members can  apply to  become a                                                               
part  of the  working group  and TAC  reviews those  requests. He                                                               
explained that  the working  group is set  up to  ensure balanced                                                               
representation and discussion.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:42:51 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL asked whether TAC members are paid for their work.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENKIN replied yes.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:43:01 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. JENKIN  advanced to slide 6  and provided an overview  of TAC                                                               
members and their  work in the industry. He noted  that RRC would                                                               
add one additional member to TAC  as it moves into the Integrated                                                               
Resource Plan (IRP) process:                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                         Who is the RRC                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     The TAC                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
        ? David   Hilt    -   Founder,    Grid   Reliability                                                                    
          Consulting, LLC, Marion, Illinois. Past NERC VP                                                                       
          responsible   for   the   development   of   their                                                                    
          Compliance and Monitoring Program.                                                                                    
        ? Haider   Naveed    -   Senior    NERC   Compliance                                                                    
          Specialist,  Electric   Power  Engineers,  Austin,                                                                    
          Texas.   15   years  of   international   industry                                                                    
          experience.                                                                                                           
        ? Todd Ponto - Director of OT and NERC Compliance,                                                                      
          ScottMadden,  Raleigh,  North Carolina.  Supported                                                                    
          the   develop  the   Utility  Consensus   Critical                                                                    
          Infrastructure Protection Standards in 2018.                                                                          
        ? David Burlingame - Principal, Electric Power                                                                          
          Systems,   Anchorage,   Alaska.    40   years   of                                                                    
          engineering and operations  experience focusing on                                                                    
          islanded systems.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:45:24 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL asked whether RRC recruited TAC members or whether                                                                
they volunteered.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:45:31 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. JENKIN  replied that  Mr. Burlingame  was hired  to represent                                                               
Seward early  in the formulation of  RRC. RRC reached out  to the                                                               
other members.  He briefly discussed  Mr. Hilt, his role  on TAC,                                                               
and his interest in working with RRC.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:46:15 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. JENKIN advanced to slide 7:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                         Who is the RRC                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Funded by Utility Members                                                                                                
        ? The RRC is funded through a surcharge that is                                                                         
          allocated   to  load-serving   entities  (Railbelt                                                                    
          utilities) through the ERO  tariff. Most LSEs have                                                                    
          implemented  a transparent  per-KWh  line item  on                                                                    
          customer  bills, similar  to  the Regulatory  Cost                                                                    
          Charge.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Regulated by the Regulatory Commission of Alaska                                                                         
        ? The commission shall adopt regulations governing                                                                      
          electric reliability organizations (AS 42.06.770)                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENKIN commented that the surcharge is minimal relative to                                                                  
fuel costs. He opined that if IRP can decrease the cost of fuel,                                                                
the value of RRC to the railbelt will become clear.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:47:32 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL recalled  that RRC must be  certificated. She asked                                                               
why this  is important, what  the certification  process consists                                                               
of, and what this means for RRC.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:47:52 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. JENKIN confirmed that RRC  is certificated. He explained that                                                               
RCA is the  oversight organization for RRC.  He briefly discussed                                                               
the regulatory  requirements RCA  has set  out. He  described the                                                               
certification process. He emphasized  that RRC had to demonstrate                                                               
fitness,  willingness, and  an ability  to perform  the necessary                                                               
tasks.  He said  the dynamic  between  RCA and  RRC reflects  the                                                               
structure   and  process   of  the   Federal  Energy   Regulatory                                                               
Commission (FERC)  and the  [North American  Electric Reliability                                                               
Corporation (NERC)]. He  clarified that Alaska is  not under FERC                                                               
and/or NERC jurisdiction.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:48:07 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KAWASAKI joined the meeting.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:49:38 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. JENKIN advanced to slide 8:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                       The RRC's Purpose                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
    Legislatively    Established    Electric    Reliability                                                                   
     Organization                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
        ? Establish reliability standards through an open                                                                       
          and transparent public process. (AS 42.05.765)                                                                        
        ? Monitor and enforce compliance with reliability                                                                       
          standards, including investigation of alleged and                                                                     
          possible imposition of penalties for confirmed                                                                        
          compliance violations, (AS 42.05.775)                                                                                 
        ? Develop and adopt a comprehensive Integrated                                                                          
          Resource Plan (IRP) for the applicable Bulk                                                                           
          Electric System. (AS 42.05.780)                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENKIN  stated that RRC must  consider transmission alongside                                                               
end-use activities  to improve load  efficiency as  it formulates                                                               
the IRP.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:51:06 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. JENKIN advanced to slide 9:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                          Why the RRC:                                                                                        
                     Reduce Long-Term Costs                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
        ? Generation Planning                                                                                                 
             ? Utility Generation                                                                                               
                  ? CEA 2013: 200MW 3X1 Combined Cycle                                                                          
                    Facility (w/ ML&P)                                                                                          
                  ? MEA 2014: 171MW Reciprocating Engine                                                                        
                    Facility                                                                                                    
                  ? ML&P 2016: 129MW 2X1 Combined Cycle                                                                         
                    Facility                                                                                                    
        ? Transmission System Concerns                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JENKIN explained  that  the utilities  in  this region  were                                                               
highly interconnected,  which allowed  large amounts of  power to                                                               
reliably and firmly  flow between them. He  briefly discussed the                                                               
generation facilities  built by each  utility and the  impact the                                                               
new facilities  had on generation,  fuel usage,  and transmission                                                               
capabilities.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:53:00 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. JENKIN  continued to discuss  the facilities listed  on slide                                                               
9.  He emphasized  the  importance of  efficiency.  He noted  the                                                               
combined  megawatt  generation  of  the  facilities.  He  briefly                                                               
discussed  the role  of RRC  in regional  planning and  in making                                                               
determinations for  future generation  resources, which  can lead                                                               
to  greater generation  and  transmission  efficiency. He  stated                                                               
that RRC ensures  there is a centralized,  regional approach that                                                               
takes  advantage  of  opportunities  to   put  the  best  mix  of                                                               
generation into place for the railbelt.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:55:25 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. JENKIN advanced to slide 10:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                Why the RRC  Ensure Reliability                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Reliability Standards Development and Enforcement                                                                        
        ? System Modeling                                                                                                       
        ? Generation and Load Balancing                                                                                         
        ? Facilities Interconnection                                                                                            
        ? Transmission Planning                                                                                                 
        ? Monitoring and Enforcement                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JENKIN stated  that,  historically, a  lack  of standards  -                                                               
and/or a  lack of enforcement of  standards - has had  a negative                                                               
impact on  the system.  He offered an  example to  illustrate the                                                               
reliability  issues  that  the  development  and  enforcement  of                                                               
standards would address.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:57:55 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. JENKIN advanced to slide 11:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                      The RRC and the RTO                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
        ? The RRC develops a regional Integrated Resource                                                                       
          Plan to provide the greatest value to Railbelt                                                                        
          utility members and customers                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
        ? The RTO administers a regional tariff to recover                                                                      
          transmission costs equally to all Railbelt                                                                            
          utility customers and members                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
        ? Both look at the Railbelt as a single region                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
        ? RRC develops a regional generation plan, and the                                                                      
          RTO removes transmission wheeling rates to                                                                            
          facilitate the operation of the plan                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENKIN offered  an example of wheeling rates,  which are fees                                                               
that one utility  will levy against another to  move power across                                                               
that  utility's  transmission  system.  He  explained  that  this                                                               
creates  a  financial  barrier,   limiting  projects  that  would                                                               
otherwise  be  economic  and  that   would  allow  for  increased                                                               
railbelt efficiency.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:01:00 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  JENKIN continued  to discuss  slide 11.  He stated  that the                                                               
Railbelt  Transmission  Organization  (RTO)  eliminates  wheeling                                                               
rates.  He explained  that transmission  costs are  now collected                                                               
from end  users. He said  that eliminating wheeling  costs allows                                                               
more projects  to move forward  and increases  system efficiency.                                                               
He contrasted  the RTO with  the RRC and the  Integrated Resource                                                               
Plan (IRP). He explained that  the IRP takes a regional approach,                                                               
considering  ways to  develop generation  that is  most efficient                                                               
for the region. He offered  examples to illustrate the benefit of                                                               
a regional approach. He emphasized  the importance of RTO in this                                                               
process,  as removing  wheeling rates  is critical  to developing                                                               
generation  with  regional  efficiency. He  reiterated  that  RRC                                                               
develops  the  IRP  and  RTO  facilitates  the  IRP  by  removing                                                               
barriers. He noted  that this does not require  the operation and                                                               
operating  areas remain  separate. He  explained that  successful                                                               
implementation  of  the  IRP requires  coordination  amongst  the                                                               
various operating areas. He reiterated  the importance of RRC and                                                               
RTO in  developing and  implementing a plan  that is  of greatest                                                               
value to the railbelt.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:03:25 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. JENKIN opined that RTO is  a good organization to address the                                                               
regional  tariff, as  it is  made up  of transmission  owners. He                                                               
reiterated   that  RRC   -  a   stakeholder  organization   -  is                                                               
responsible  for   planning  and   briefly  discussed   the  ways                                                               
stakeholder input benefits planning.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:04:06 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL  expressed appreciation for the  explanation of the                                                               
ways RRC and RTO work together  and of the overall goal of [House                                                               
Bill  307]. She  briefly  discussed the  historical timeline  and                                                               
said the issue ultimately required a legislative solution.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:04:51 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  CLAMAN  noted   that  the  RTO  board  is   made  up  of                                                               
transmission owners and asked who the transmission owners are.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:05:00 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  JENKIN   replied  that  the  transmission   owners  are  the                                                               
following railbelt utilities:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
        ? Golden Valley Electric Association                                                                                    
        ? Matanuska Electric Association, Inc.                                                                                  
        ? Chugach Electric Association                                                                                          
        ? City of Seward                                                                                                        
        ? Homer Electric Association, Inc.                                                                                      
        ? Alaska Energy Authority                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JENKIN noted  that he  is an  ex-officio member  of the  RTO                                                               
board. He clarified that, while he  is a member of the RTO board,                                                               
he is speaking in his capacity  as a representative of RRC and is                                                               
not speaking for RTO.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GIESSEL  commented that  a  future  presentation from  RTO                                                               
could be helpful.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:05:54 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN  observed that there  is some overlap  between RRC                                                               
and RTO board membership.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JENKIN said  this  is correct.  He  said the  aforementioned                                                               
utilities are  also on the  RRC board.  He explained that  RTO is                                                               
being  set  up  in  such  a  way that  the  cost  of  creating  a                                                               
stakeholder organization is reduced.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:06:35 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. FLORENCE agreed  that there is overlap between  the RTO board                                                               
and  the RRC  board membership;  however, he  clarified that  the                                                               
role of members on the RTO  Board and the RRC Board are distinct.                                                               
He  explained that  on the  RTO board,  a representative  for the                                                               
utility represents that utility. He  contrasted this with the RRC                                                               
board,  where   those  same  individuals   represent  stakeholder                                                               
classes  (and not  the  entities with  which  they are  typically                                                               
associated). He said  that the RRC board is  governed by specific                                                               
regulations  that  specify who  the  members  must represent.  He                                                               
emphasized  that the  RRC board  often  discusses board  members'                                                               
duties and  responsibilities and reiterates to  members that they                                                               
are not representing the entities but the stakeholders.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENKIN added that, when acting  on behalf of RRC, members are                                                               
required to represent  the best interest of  the RRC. Conversely,                                                               
members  of the  RTO board  represent  the best  interest of  the                                                               
utility, not the best interest of RTO.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:08:15 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. JENKIN advanced to slide 12:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                 Standards and IRP Development                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Applicable RRC Rules and Policies                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
        ? ER7 - Public Notice and Meetings Rule                                                                               
             ? Notice Content                                                                                                   
             ? Notice Timeline                                                                                                  
        ? ER1 - Product Development Rule                                                                                      
             ? Invitation and Schedule                                                                                          
             ? During Development                                                                                               
             ? Board Submission                                                                                                 
             ? RCA Report                                                                                                       
        ? BPR602 - TAC Structure and Process Procedure                                                                        
             ? Task Order Work Plan and Budget                                                                                  
             ? Formation of the Working Group                                                                                   
             ? Manager's Recommendation                                                                                         
             ? Dissents                                                                                                         
             ? TAC Recommendation                                                                                               
             ? Board Action                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JENKIN  briefly discussed  the  rules  and regulations  that                                                               
govern RRC  processes. The processes of  RRC must be open  to the                                                               
public,  balanced   between  energy  users  and   producers,  and                                                               
balanced between utilities and non-utilities.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:10:30 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. JENKIN  continued to discuss  slide 12. He explained  how the                                                               
package RRC  presents to  RCA lays  out the  public process  in a                                                               
detailed way  that hopefully  gives RCA  confidence that  RRC has                                                               
followed a  robust public process.  He highlighted  BPR602, which                                                               
is an  internal policy  governing TAC  structure and  process. He                                                               
briefly  explained the  process, highlighting  the procedure  for                                                               
recommendation and dissent.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:12:55 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  JENKIN  advanced  to slide  13,  containing  an  infographic                                                               
illustrating  the  various  energy  generation  and  transmission                                                               
sites:                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                 Standards and IRP Development                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Integrated Resource Planning                                                                                             
        ? Board Workshop and Kickoff                                                                                            
        ? Independent Technical Expertise                                                                                       
        ? Policy Development                                                                                                    
        ? Define Objectives and Greatest Value                                                                                  
        ? 2026 Completion                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENKIN  provided an overview  of the IRP planning  process to                                                               
date. The board  workshop included a walk-through  of the process                                                               
that  will  be  used  to  develop  the  IRP.  He  indicated  that                                                               
additional work  is necessary  to finalize  the process.  He said                                                               
this  is similar  to the  TAC process  outlined on  slide 12.  He                                                               
stated that  the IRP process  would kickoff  in May 2025.  RRC is                                                               
developing  the  independent  technical expertise  contracts.  He                                                               
stated  that RRC  is ready  to begin  working group  meetings. He                                                               
provided  a   brief  overview  of  working   group  meetings.  He                                                               
emphasized  the   importance  of   board  approval   and  offered                                                               
examples.  He  stated   that  the  RRC  Board   makes  the  final                                                               
determination regarding  the proposed objectives. He  stated that                                                               
the final plan must produce the greatest value for the railbelt.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:15:04 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR  commented that  plans matter  the most  when they                                                               
change behavior. He asked what  changes Mr. Jenkins foresees as a                                                               
result of the  process. He clarified that he  is primarily asking                                                               
about changes that would impact the utilities.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:15:54 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  JENKIN answered  that  the process  would  drive a  regional                                                               
approach.  He explained  that utilities  currently  do their  own                                                               
transmission  and resource  planning and  briefly discussed  this                                                               
process.  While this  will continue,  it  will become  part of  a                                                               
regional plan.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:18:00 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. JENKIN explained  that the IRP would  consider how individual                                                               
utility's  projects fit  into the  regional approach.  He offered                                                               
examples  to  illustrate  this  change.  He  said  that  projects                                                               
previously developed  by a utility  to meet the  individual needs                                                               
of that utility  would be reconsidered within the  context of the                                                               
regional  approach. This  also applies  to future  railbelt needs                                                               
and future projects.  He pointed out that some  projects will not                                                               
meet  the "greatest  value" requirement,  while  others may  meet                                                               
this requirement  and be included  in the IRP. He  explained that                                                               
projects in the  IRP are considered "justified"  and implied that                                                               
this would increase the likelihood  of receiving RCA approval for                                                               
those projects.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:19:52 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  HUGHES offered  a hypothetical  situation to  illustrate                                                               
the potential  for change between  now and the completion  of the                                                               
plan  in 2026.  She  asked if  the  plan would  be  updated on  a                                                               
regular basis.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:20:20 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. JENKIN  replied yes. He said  RRC will review the  plan every                                                               
two years  (at which  time RRC will  make any  necessary changes)                                                               
and will renew  the plan every four years. He  explained that RRC                                                               
is required  to renew the  plan every  four years unless  RCA has                                                               
approved deferral.  He stated that  the two- and  four-year cycle                                                               
is relatively  short for IRP  creation. He said RRC  would likely                                                               
be continually updating  the IRP and briefly  described what that                                                               
would entail.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:21:13 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  CLAMAN  directed attention  to  slide  9 and  the  power                                                               
plants build between 2013-2016.  He shared his understanding that                                                               
utilizing a  regional approach during  that timeframe  might have                                                               
resulted in the  utilities building fewer power  plants. He asked                                                               
if this is one example in  which a regional approach may have led                                                               
to a different plan.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:21:53 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  JENKIN replied  yes. He  clarified that  he is  not implying                                                               
that three  plants would not  have been built.  However, regional                                                               
planning might have  changed the capacity and design  of each. He                                                               
agreed that  the proposed  projects would  have been  rolled into                                                               
the IRP, and  explained how the IRP guidance  could have informed                                                               
the  utilities' projects.  He  added that  inclusion  in the  IRP                                                               
would have increased the likelihood  of securing RCA approval and                                                               
financing.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:22:42 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES asked who approves project plans.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:23:03 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. JENKIN  replied that RCA  approves project plans  and briefly                                                               
described that process.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:23:19 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES  commented that  RRC would  be very  familiar with                                                               
plans once they  reach the RCA approval stage.  She asked whether                                                               
RRC would make recommendations to RCA regarding project plans.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:23:28 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. JENKIN replied  that RRC would have the  ability to intercede                                                               
in  the RCA  proceeding  and shared  his  understanding that  RRC                                                               
would  then become  a party  to  the proceeding.  RRC could  then                                                               
provide input about the project.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:23:47 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. JENKIN advanced to slide 14:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                 Standards and IRP Development                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Standards Development                                                                                                    
        ? Weekly working group meetings                                                                                         
        ? Four standards before the RCA for approval                                                                            
        ? Two additional standards passed by RRC Board                                                                          
        ? Six standards coming before the Board in June                                                                         
        ? 28 Standards to be approved by the RRC in 2025                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENKIN stated that standards  development is ongoing. He said                                                               
the first  four standards were  noncontroversial and  were chosen                                                               
specifically  to test  the  process and  ensure  it worked  well.                                                               
Those standards  have been approved  by RRC and are  now awaiting                                                               
RCA approval. RRC is waiting  to observe the RCA approval process                                                               
before  submitting additional  standards  for  approval. He  said                                                               
that  RRC   expects  to  see  six   critical  infrastructure  and                                                               
protection standards in July 2025.  He indicated that these are a                                                               
high priority.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:25:21 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS  recalled that RCA  would update the IRP  every two                                                               
years and would create a new  plan every four years. He asked how                                                               
this timeline would integrate with  the RCA approval timeline. He                                                               
shared his understanding  that RCA can take 2-4  years to approve                                                               
rate cases,  which can put  utilities into a continuous  cycle in                                                               
which one  rate case is  approved and  the next is  submitted. He                                                               
asked whether  RRC has  any concerns about  how the  RCA approval                                                               
timeline could potentially impact the IRP process.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:25:57 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. JENKIN replied  that RCA has 180 days to  deliberate and make                                                               
a determination  regarding tariff  revision standards.  He shared                                                               
his  understanding that  RCA can  also take  no action,  in which                                                               
case the  standard would become law  after 45 days. He  said that                                                               
because  RRC has  not yet  sent an  IRP to  RCA for  approval, he                                                               
cannot speak to that timeline and process.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:27:39 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  JENKIN  continued to  discuss  slide  14.  He said  RRC  has                                                               
budgeted for  28 standards in 2025.  There has been a  great deal                                                               
of interaction  amongst stakeholder  groups during  this process,                                                               
which is expected. He opined  that this high level of interaction                                                               
is  good, as  it provides  a final  product that  has been  well-                                                               
vetted amongst all stakeholders.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:28:25 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. FLORENCE  said that the  first task of  the RRC Board  was to                                                               
consider legislative  and regulatory requirements and  to put the                                                               
necessary  rules, procedures,  and processes  in place  to ensure                                                               
that  the  actions of  RRC  are  done  in accordance  with  those                                                               
requirements. He explained that the  RRC Board completed the bulk                                                               
of  that work  prior to  hiring Mr.  Jenkin as  CEO. He  said the                                                               
board's second  task was to  hire the  CEO. He stated  that since                                                               
hiring  Mr. Jenkin,  the work  has picked  up pace.  He explained                                                               
that, at  this time, the RRC  Board is tasked with  ensuring that                                                               
the process is unfolding as planned.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. FLORENCE  emphasized that  the RRC Board  is not  a technical                                                               
board. He  said the board  exists to ensure that  the stakeholder                                                               
engagement  process  is  occurring  - and  that  the  process  is                                                               
aligned with the associated rules  and regulations. He added that                                                               
the conversations with the workings  groups and TAC are technical                                                               
but can become animated. The meetings  are open to the public. He                                                               
said that, from  the board's perspective, the  process is working                                                               
very  well. He  indicated that  the development  of standards  is                                                               
moving forward  at a good  pace. He commented that  the standards                                                               
can be complicated. He said the  IRP process is also coming along                                                               
well. He stated  that the RRC Board is tasked  with ensuring that                                                               
the work  is done  timely, and from  board's perspective  the IRP                                                               
process is going well.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:30:57 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES asked  Mr. Florence to share his  background as it                                                               
relates to these issues.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:31:12 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  FLORENCE said  that most  of his  work history  is in  power                                                               
generation and Alaska  is the third jurisdiction in  which he has                                                               
worked. He  briefly described his work  history, highlighting his                                                               
work  in  the  development   and  implementation  of  reliability                                                               
standards.  He  commented  that  Alaska is  unique  in  that  the                                                               
railbelt  grid is  geographically  large but  electrically it  is                                                               
small. He noted that the RRC  Board has both local and nationwide                                                               
experts. He emphasized that Alaska  requires unique solutions but                                                               
faces  the  same  reliability  and  planning  problems  as  other                                                               
jurisdictions.  He  opined  that,  of the  jurisdictions  he  has                                                               
worked  in, Alaska  is both  the  most challenging  and the  most                                                               
interesting.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:32:49 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL  thanked the presenters.  She noted  the perception                                                               
that  RRC had  been making  slow progress  and observed  that the                                                               
progress  has sped  up significantly  since hiring  the CEO,  Mr.                                                               
Jenkin.  She commented  that  it is  gratifying  to consider  the                                                               
recent  passage of  legislation that  created RTO  and helped  to                                                               
amplify the work of RRC.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:34:27 PM                                                                                                                    
There being no further business to come before the committee,                                                                   
Chair Giessel adjourned the Senate Resources Standing Committee                                                                 
meeting at 4:34 p.m.                                                                                                            

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
RRC Presentation to Senate Resources 05.16.25.pdf SRES 5/16/2025 3:30:00 PM