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05/14/2025 03:30 PM Senate RESOURCES

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03:31:53 PM Start
03:32:28 PM Presentation(s): Railbelt Reliability Council (rrc), Senate Bill 123, House Bill 307, and Where We Go from Here
04:59:16 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
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+ Presentation: Railbelt Reliability Council, TELECONFERENCED
SB 123, HB 307, And Where We Go From Here
Dr. Gwen Holdmann - Alaska Center for Energy
and Power
Dr. Steve Colt - Alaska Center for Energy and
Power
Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled
**Streamed live on AKL.tv**
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                          May 14, 2025                                                                                          
                           3:31 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Cathy Giessel, Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Bill Wielechowski, Vice Chair                                                                                           
Senator Matt Claman                                                                                                             
Senator Forrest Dunbar                                                                                                          
Senator Scott Kawasaki                                                                                                          
Senator Shelley Hughes                                                                                                          
Senator Robert Myers                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION(S): RAILBELT RELIABILITY COUNCIL (RRC), SENATE BILL                                                                
123, HOUSE BILL 307, AND WHERE WE GO FROM HERE                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
GWEN HOLDMANN, Chief Scientist                                                                                                  
Alaska Center for Energy and Power                                                                                              
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Co-presented Railbelt Reliability Council                                                                 
(RRC), SENATE BILL 123, HOUSE BILL 307, And Where We Go from                                                                    
Here.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
STEPHEN COLT, Research Professor                                                                                                
Alaska Center for Energy and Power                                                                                              
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Co-presented Railbelt Reliability Council                                                                 
(RRC), SENATE BILL 123, HOUSE BILL 307, And Where We Go from                                                                    
Here.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:31:53 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  GIESSEL called  the  Senate  Resources Standing  Committee                                                               
meeting to order  at 3:22 p.m. Present at the  call to order were                                                               
Senators  Myers, Kawasaki,  Dunbar,  Hughes,  and Chair  Giessel.                                                               
Senators Claman and Wielechowski arrived thereafter.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION(S):  RAILBELT  RELIABILITY  COUNCIL  (RRC),  SENATE                                                               
BILL 123, HOUSE BILL 307, AND WHERE WE GO FROM HERE                                                                             
 PRESENTATION(S): RAILBELT RELIABILITY COUNCIL (RRC), SENATE BILL                                                           
         123, HOUSE BILL 307, AND WHERE WE GO FROM HERE                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:32:28 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  GIESSEL announced  the presentation,  Railbelt Reliability                                                               
Council (RRC), SENATE  BILL 123, HOUSE BILL 307, And  Where We Go                                                               
From Here.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:33:13 PM                                                                                                                    
GWEN  HOLDMANN, Chief  Scientist,  Alaska Center  for Energy  and                                                               
Power, Fairbanks, Alaska, introduced herself.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:33:34 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMAN advanced to slide 2:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Questions to be addressed                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
        ? What do we need for a healthy electric grid                                                                           
          ecosystem?                                                                                                            
        ? Railbelt Reliability Council (RRC) - How did we                                                                       
          get here?                                                                                                             
        ? What problems was SENATE BILL 123 addressing via                                                                      
          the RRC?                                                                                                              
        ? What does the RRC do?                                                                                                 
        ? Why are reliability standards and integrated                                                                          
          resource planning (IRP) bundled together?                                                                             
       ? What about HOUSE BILL 307 and the Railbelt RTO?                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HOLDMAN  said  the  presentation   would  conclude  with  an                                                               
overview of net metering versus net billing.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:34:56 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMAN advanced to slide 3:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Q1: Ingredients for a healthy grid ecosystem                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     These functions work together to enable:                                                                                   
        ? Efficient, cost-effective investments                                                                                 
        ? Maximum participation from independent generators                                                                     
          and third parties                                                                                                     
        ? System-wide     coordination     that     supports                                                                    
          reliability and ratepayer value                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                     Healthy Grid Ecosystem                                                                                   
              GOAL: affordable and reliable energy                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     System-wide Planning                                                                                                     
     Identifies   long-term   needs   for   generation   and                                                                    
     transmission;    process    should   be    transparent,                                                                    
     inclusive, and data driven.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     System-wide Development (e.g. transmission)                                                                              
     Implements  those long-term  plans by  advancing shared                                                                    
     infrastructure projects                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Independent Regulator                                                                                                    
     Ensures   fair   rates,   enforces   non-discriminatory                                                                    
     access, and protects public interest.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Reliability Standards                                                                                                    
     Maintains  grid  stability   through  technical  rules,                                                                    
     contingency planning, and enforcement mechanisms.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Economic Dispatch Structure                                                                                              
     Optimizes  which generators  run  and when,  minimizing                                                                    
     total  system cost.  (e.g.,  single  GT, ISO,  Transco,                                                                    
     tight power pool)                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Real-time Balancing                                                                                                      
     Maintains second-by-second  balance between  supply and                                                                    
     demand.   Supports  frequency   stability,  coordinates                                                                    
     reserves, and prevents blackouts across defined areas.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
[3:38:01]                                                                                                                       
MS.   HOLDMAN   pointed   out  that,   unlike   most   other   US                                                               
jurisdictions, Alaska is  not part of an  interconnected grid and                                                               
is therefore not subject to  Federal Energy Regulatory Commission                                                               
(FERC)  and  North   American  Electric  Reliability  Corporation                                                               
(NERC)  oversight.  She  commented  that, for  better  or  worse,                                                               
Alaska  must create  its own  institutions and  rules to  perform                                                               
functions that may be more  clearly defined at the federal level.                                                               
She stated  that the Railbelt  Reliability Council (RRC)  and the                                                               
Railbelt  Transmission  Organization   (RTO)  are  Alaska's  grid                                                               
oversight  institutions. She  highlighted  that  the railbelt  is                                                               
served entirely by public power entities and offered examples.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:39:33 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  HOLDMAN said  that the  previous slides  provided high-level                                                               
context and the presentation would  address the issues in greater                                                               
detail.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:40:13 PM                                                                                                                    
STEPHEN COLT,  Research Professor,  Alaska Center for  Energy and                                                               
Power, Fairbanks, Alaska,  advanced to slide 4,  containing a bar                                                               
chart  illustrating  the  railbelt  winter  capability  (includes                                                               
nonfirm wind capacity) from 1952-2019:                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Q2: RRC - How did we get here? Timeline Pre-2015:                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
        2010 - 2015: "$1.5B" of new generation built by                                                                       
     Railbelt utilities, while sales declined                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     May  2014: $250k  capital approp.  to RCA  to determine                                                                  
     "whether  creating an  independent  system operator  or                                                                    
     similar  structure  for  electrical  utilities  in  the                                                                    
     Railbelt  area is  the best  option  for effective  and                                                                    
     efficient electrical transmission"                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     June 2015: RCA recommendations letter                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. COLT  directed attention to  the circle  on the bar  chart on                                                               
slide 4  and explained that  this shows a  significant deployment                                                               
of new gas and oil-fired  generation for the 2010-2015 timeframe.                                                               
He  surmised that  this brought  coordination  issues related  to                                                               
railbelt spending into greater awareness.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:40:50 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN joined the meeting.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. COLT  continued to  discuss slide 4,  containing a  bar chart                                                               
illustrating  the railbelt  winter  capability (includes  nonfirm                                                               
wind capacity) from 1952-2019:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Q2: RRC - How did we get here? Timeline Pre-2015:                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
        2010 - 2015: "$1.5B" of new generation built by                                                                       
     Railbelt utilities, while sales declined                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     May  2014: $250k  capital approp.  to RCA  to determine                                                                  
     "whether  creating an  independent  system operator  or                                                                    
     similar  structure  for  electrical  utilities  in  the                                                                    
     Railbelt  area is  the best  option  for effective  and                                                                    
     efficient electrical transmission"                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     June 2015: RCA recommendations letter                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:44:02 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS noted the various  forms of energy generation shown                                                               
on  the bar  chart on  slide 4.  He acknowledged  that it  may be                                                               
necessary  to  increase  generation  capacity  to  ensure  backup                                                               
energy is  available when  needed. He  asked why  utilities would                                                               
increase generation capacity when sales were declining.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:44:39 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. COLT surmised  that this question was the  primary reason for                                                               
the   2014  capital   appropriation   request.   He  shared   his                                                               
understanding that, at that time,  the utilities built new plants                                                               
to  increase  energy efficiency.  He  added  that the  Regulatory                                                               
Commission  of Alaska  (RCA) held  extensive proceedings  on this                                                               
issue.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:46:02 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR  briefly discussed  the history  of the  George M.                                                               
Sullivan Plant  2-A, which was  built during that  timeframe (and                                                               
owned by Municipal Light & Power  (ML&P)). He noted that ML&P was                                                               
owned  by the  Municipality  of  Anchorage and  did  not have  an                                                               
independent  board.  He  agreed  that  the  plant  was  built  to                                                               
increase efficiency. He said that,  for several years, RCA seized                                                               
the dividend  the Municipality of  Anchorage would  have received                                                               
from ML&P and briefly discussed  the reasoning behind the actions                                                               
of RCA.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:47:10 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS expressed appreciation  for this additional context                                                               
related  to the  Anchorage  area. He  pointed  out that  multiple                                                               
generation  systems   were  added  across  different   areas  and                                                               
expressed confusion  as to  the reasoning.  He indicated  that he                                                               
would seek out additional information related to RCA proceedings                                                                
during that time.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:47:53 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL noted that the presentation would focus on current                                                                
events and acknowledged that the history is important.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:48:05 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. COLT advanced to slide 5:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Timeline: June 2015 RCA recommendations                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Rec 1: Independent transmission company                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     "An   independent   transmission  company   should   be                                                                    
     created"? [and]  RCA should have "siting  authority for                                                                    
     new   generation   and  transmission"   and   "explicit                                                                    
     authority  to  regulate integrated  resource  planning"                                                                    
     for the Railbelt.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Rec  2:  Promote   "system-wide  merit  order  economic                                                                  
     dispatch", by voluntary  action and/or "specific action                                                                    
     steps."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Rec 3: Allow  time for voluntary actions  [about 1 year                                                                  
     for initial filings]                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Rec. 4:  Reliability standard RCA  "strongly encourages                                                                  
     [Railbelt  utilities]  to  develop  a  common  Railbelt                                                                    
     operating and reliability standard"                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Rec 5:  Adequate funding for  RCA (via  Regulatory Cost                                                                  
     Charge)                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:50:04 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. COLT  continued to  discuss slide 5.  He noted  that "system-                                                               
wide merit  order economic  dispatch" means  to use  the cheapest                                                               
generation  available  at  any  given  hour  of  any  given  day,                                                               
regardless of who owns it or where it is located.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:53:01 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. COLT advanced to slide 6:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Timeline: Volunteer efforts through 2019                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
        ? RCA Order 13 in I-15-001, March 2019, recounts:                                                                       
          "Acting  on behalf  of  several Railbelt  electric                                                                    
          utilities,  ARCTEC hired  a consultant  to provide                                                                    
          recommendations  on  establishing an  organization                                                                    
          that  would  act  as the  entity  responsible  for                                                                    
          establishing  and  enforcing Railbelt  reliability                                                                    
          standards  and  (among  other  things)  performing                                                                    
          regional  integrated  resource  planning  for  the                                                                    
          Railbelt."                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
        ? The consultant, GDS, recommended a Railbelt                                                                           
          Reliability Council (RRC) be created:                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
             ? For reliability standards, a miniature                                                                           
               version of federal policy:                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                  ? 2005 Energy Policy Act created the                                                                          
                    concept of ERO                                                                                              
                  ? 2006:     North    American     Electric                                                                    
                    Reliability   Corporation   (NERC)   was                                                                    
                    designated by FERC as the ERO for the                                                                       
                    U.S. Grid.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
             ? For IRP function, GDS apparently followed                                                                        
              Rec. 1 of the June 2015 RCA Letter.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
        ? RRC MOU: On December 18, 2019, six Railbelt                                                                           
          utilities signed  the MOU for the  creation of the                                                                    
          RRC.  [But, for  economic dispatch  GDS said?study                                                                    
          it some more?]                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:57:15 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. COLT advanced to slide 7:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Timeline: 2019: RCA proposes legislative language                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
        ? June 2019: Alaska Railbelt Transmission Co                                                                            
          abandons its application.                                                                                             
        ? RCA feels statutory authority is needed to                                                                            
          implement RRC as an ERO.                                                                                              
        ? March 2019 Order 13, docket I-15-001: "Attached                                                                       
          as an appendix to this order is draft legislative                                                                     
          language that provides us with:                                                                                       
             ? express   authority    to   certificate   and                                                                    
               regulate an ERO                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     [and]                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
        ? "a legislative grant of siting authority for new                                                                      
          generation and  transmission in the  Railbelt, and                                                                    
          explicit   authority    to   regulate   integrated                                                                    
          resource  planning   for  the   Railbelt  electric                                                                    
          system."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. COLT noted that this process  began in 2015 when RCA made its                                                               
recommendations.  He  surmised that,  at  the  end of  2019,  RCA                                                               
requested statutory  authority in an  effort to move  the process                                                               
forward more quickly.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:01:08 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS  recalled discussions  related to  coops throughout                                                               
the railbelt merging.  He noted that this  caused concern amongst                                                               
Fairbanks ratepayers  and therefore  did not  occur. He  asked if                                                               
this was a part of the 2019 deliberations.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:01:39 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. COLT  briefly directed attention  to slide 6,  which included                                                               
mention  of  the  Alaska Railbelt  Cooperative  Transmission  and                                                               
Electrical Company  (ARCTEC)   a cooperative  of cooperatives. He                                                               
explained  that ARCTEC  was an  attempt to  merge the  generation                                                               
function.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:02:54 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. COLT advanced to slide 8:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Timeline: 2020: Senate Bill 123                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
       1/15/2020 Letter from RCA to President Giessel and                                                                       
     Speaker Edgmon                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     3/10/2020 CS Senate Bill 123(RBE) passed Senate 19-0.                                                                      
       (RBE is the Special Committee on Railbelt Electric                                                                       
     System)                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     3/19/2020  CS Senate  Bill 123(RBE)  passed House  33-1                                                                    
     (As amended on H floor)                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
          Note: Amendment 2 broadens  the scope of telephone                                                                    
          utility    cooperatives   to    include   "related                                                                    
          telecommunications  services", and  allows utility                                                                    
          coops  to   use  email,  zoom,  etc.   to  conduct                                                                    
          business and voting.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     3/20/2020 Senate concurs in amendment 17-3.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Essentially, Senate  Bill 123 passed  unanimously, with                                                                  
     minor modifications.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
     And Chugach  merged with Anchorage Municipal  Light and                                                                  
     Power (!)                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. COLT stated that Senate Bill 123 included the proposed                                                                      
legislative language submitted by RCA to the legislature in                                                                     
2019.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:05:19 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. COLT advanced to slide 9:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Q3:  What  problems  was  SENATE  BILL  123  trying  to                                                                  
     address via RRC?                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Going  back  to  the  RCA findings  in  its  June  2015                                                                    
     letter:                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     "Concerns  about the  fragmented, balkanized  and often                                                                    
     contentious   Railbelt  utilities   have  been   raised                                                                    
     numerous times over the past  40 years. Several efforts                                                                    
     have been  made to  reform and reorganize  the Railbelt                                                                    
     electrical system, but none have succeeded."                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     This  preamble led  to the  RCA's 2015  recommendations                                                                    
     and  the  voluntary  actions  during  2015-2019,  which                                                                    
     culminated in RCA's request for legislation.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Along the way, other things fell by the wayside. Thus,                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     SENATE  BILL 123  addressed a  surviving, or  perhaps a                                                                  
     feasible, subset of the 2015 RCA recommendations.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:07:13 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. COLT advanced to slide 10, which highlights the inclusion of                                                                
siting authority, integrated resource planning, and reliability                                                                 
standard in Senate Bill 123:                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Q3,  cont.  Which  2015 Recommendations  survived  into                                                                  
     SENATE BILL 123?                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Rec   1:    Independent   transmission    company   "An                                                                  
     independent  transmission company  should be  created"                                                                     
     [and]  RCA  should  have   "siting  authority  for  new                                                                  
     generation  and transmission"  and "explicit  authority                                                                    
     to  regulate  integrated  resource  planning"  for  the                                                                  
     Railbelt.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Rec  2:  Promote   "system-wide  merit  order  economic                                                                  
     dispatch", by voluntary  action and/or "specific action                                                                    
     steps."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Rec 3: Allow  time for voluntary actions  [about 1 year                                                                  
     for initial filings]                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Rec. 4:  Reliability standard RCA  "strongly encourages                                                                  
     [Railbelt  utilities]  to  develop  a  common  Railbelt                                                                    
     operating and reliability standard"                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Rec 5:  Adequate funding for  RCA (via  Regulatory Cost                                                                  
     Charge)                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. COLT noted that Senate Bill 123 included process                                                                            
implementation. He added that the next slides would discuss the                                                                 
creation of a transmission organization.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:09:10 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMAN advanced to slide 11:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Q4: What does the RRC do? And NOT do?                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     The RRC promulgates  reliability standards and develops                                                                    
     integrated  resource  planning  (IRP)  (which  includes                                                                    
     transmission planning)                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Reliability standards:                                                                                                   
        ? provide   for   "reliable    operation"   of   the                                                                    
          "interconnected" network.                                                                                             
        ? RCA may initiate a standard on its own motion                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     IRP    provide "greatest  value" -  enables reliability                                                                  
     to be traded off against excessive cost                                                                                  
     use   "full    range"   of    resources:   "generation,                                                                    
     transmission,  battery  storage,  and  conservation  or                                                                    
     similar improvements in efficiency?"                                                                                       
     "regardless of the location or ownership" of resources                                                                     
     [Does    this     help    move    us     to    economic                                                                    
     dispatch?....maybe]                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Large project pre-approval - linked to IRP process:                                                                      
        ? Largely between utilities and RCA  i.e., the RRC                                                                      
          does NOT approve large projects                                                                                       
        ? And yet, Projects included in the "preferred                                                                          
          portfolio" of an RCA-approved IRP are deemed                                                                          
          preapproved.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     RRC does  NOT operate  a market or  dispatch resources.                                                                  
     Utilities  maintain control  over  most generation  and                                                                    
     dispatch  decisions  within their  service  territories                                                                    
     (exception Southcentral tight power pool).                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     ERO Rules, created by RCA, are at 3 AAC 46.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. COLT added that AS 42.05.762  and AS 42.05.780 direct the ERO                                                               
to  develop   the  integrated  resource  plan   while  explicitly                                                               
considering  transmission.  He noted  that  this  is unusual.  In                                                               
addition,  ERO  is directed  to  pursue  resources regardless  of                                                               
location  and/or  ownership.  He   opined  that  this  raises  an                                                               
interesting question related to remote energy resources.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:11:03 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI joined the meeting.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:12:26 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMAN advanced to slide 12:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Q5.   Why  are   reliability  standards   and  regional                                                                  
     planning (IRP) bundled together as RRC tasks?                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     This is  somewhat unusual. Reliability  standards under                                                                    
     an ERO mimic U.S. practice,  but IRP function in L48 is                                                                    
     done by numerous individual utilities; transmission by                                                                     
     RTO or ISO.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Functions and Typical U.S. Practice:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Reliability Handled by NERC or regional entities (e.g.                                                                   
     WECC)                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Planning (IRP) Done by individual utilities, overseen                                                                    
     by state regulators                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
        Transmission Planning Often done by RTO/ISO with                                                                      
     utility input                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
        In Alaska (Post-SB123), these functions are all                                                                       
     handled by RRC (ERO)                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
      Reliability standards and IRP are the pruned version                                                                      
     of the larger tree: Original ideas for RRC included:                                                                       
        ? Reliability standards                                                                                                 
        ? Planning                                                                                                              
        ? Interconnection protocols                                                                                             
        ? Further assessment of economic dispatch                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     [ 3) and 4) were deferred/dropped, leaving 1) and 2).]                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. HOLDMAN noted that RRC does not have the authority to build                                                                 
projects or enforce IRP outcomes, which creates the risk of                                                                     
developing plans but not acting on them.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:14:17 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMAN advanced to slide 13:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Key Provisions of AS 44.83.700 (from House Bill 307)                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
        ? Establishes     the      Railbelt     Transmission                                                                    
          Organization (RTO) within AEA, tasked with                                                                            
          managing an open-access transmission tariff for                                                                       
          the Railbelt's backbone transmission system.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
        ? The RTO is responsible for pooling and allocating                                                                     
          backbone transmission costs among load-serving                                                                        
          entities to ensure nondiscriminatory access to                                                                        
          the grid.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
        ? Lays the institutional groundwork for future                                                                          
          coordination.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:15:51 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMAN advanced to slide 14:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Key Provisions of AS 44.83.700 (from House Bill 307)                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Establishes  the   Railbelt  Transmission  Organization                                                                    
     (RTO)  within AEA  for the  purpose of  establishing an                                                                    
     open access transmission tariff that                                                                                       
        ? provides for recovery of transmission costs and                                                                       
          related ancillary services;                                                                                           
        ? replaces wholesale charges assessed by unit by                                                                        
          each utility in the  Railbelt with a new mechanism                                                                    
          that fairly  recovers and equitably  allocates the                                                                    
          costs  of  operating   the  backbone  transmission                                                                    
          system                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     The Alaska RTO, as  currently structured, does not make                                                                    
     decisions   about   future   transmission   investments                                                                    
     (planning),  implement  those decisions  (development),                                                                    
     or  dispatch   resources  (operations).  Its   role  is                                                                    
     focused  on   managing  the   open-access  transmission                                                                    
     tariff   and   cost   allocation   for   the   backbone                                                                    
     transmission system.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. HOLDMAN  noted that  the original version  of House  Bill 307                                                               
included planning  and implementation,  which is  consistent with                                                               
practices  in other  markets. She  recalled discussions  that the                                                               
role  of  RTO in  managing  the  open-access transmission  tariff                                                               
would  remove  pancaking  wheeling  rates  as  power  is  wheeled                                                               
through different utility  jurisdictions and transmission assets.                                                               
She added  that the RTO  is structured in  a way that  allows for                                                               
improved decision-making  with respect to building  larger assets                                                               
where the resources are available  and moving that power to where                                                               
it is needed.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:17:23 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  GIESSEL  expressed gratitude  for  Ms.  Holdman's work  on                                                               
House Bill  307. She highlighted  that the original  structure of                                                               
RTO  included  transmission   planning  and  implementation.  She                                                               
contrasted this with  the tasks of RRC. She asked  Ms. Holdman to                                                               
elaborate further  on the backbone transmission  system and noted                                                               
many  discussions  about  the difference  between  this  and  the                                                               
distribution system.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:18:36 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMAN  agreed that  this is  an important  distinction. She                                                               
said it is  a question of both asset size  and whether the system                                                               
is  moving  power north  and  south  between different  utility's                                                               
systems.  She described  a radial  transmission  system and  said                                                               
this is not  part of the railbelt transmission  system. She noted                                                               
working group  research done prior  to the passage of  House Bill                                                               
307   that  created   a  process   to   distinguish  a   backbone                                                               
transmission asset  from a radial  distribution level  asset. She                                                               
noted  an  upcoming  meeting  of the  RTO  Board  to  potentially                                                               
approve that process.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:20:08 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL commented that this is significant.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. HOLDMAN agreed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GIESSEL asked  Ms. Holdman  to explain  "pancake wheeling"                                                               
and "postage  stamp rates"  for those who  are not  familiar with                                                               
the terms.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:20:33 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  HOLDMAN  said  one  of the  challenges  of  modernizing  the                                                               
railbelt  grid  is  developing  new  generation  assets  (ideally                                                               
developed by an independent power  producer) at scale. This would                                                               
provide  cheaper  power to  consumers.  She  explained that  this                                                               
means building assets  where the resource is  located and offered                                                               
examples. She emphasized  the goal of getting  the cheapest power                                                               
to  customers wherever  the asset  is built.  She explained  that                                                               
when transmission assets  are owned by many  different users, the                                                               
power  must  be  moved  across   those  different  systems  while                                                               
navigating various  transmission agreements.  Those rates  add up                                                               
and are referred  to as "pancaked rates." She  offered an example                                                               
to  illustrate  pancaking  and  the  challenge  this  poses.  She                                                               
explained that the  costs are bundled into  "postage stamp rates"                                                               
and then allocated to end users across the system.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:22:31 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL recalled  that this could be illustrated  by a toll                                                               
road  example.  She shared  her  understanding  that an  electron                                                               
would pay a fee for  passing through various transmission assets,                                                               
which stack  up (i.e.  pancake). She  indicated that  an electron                                                               
could begin  as the least expensive  but then be subject  to many                                                               
additional fees as it passed  through various transmission system                                                               
assets.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:23:29 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMAN said this is correct.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GIESSEL asked for confirmation  of her understanding that a                                                               
key function of the RTO is to level the cost.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:24:39 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMAN replied yes. She  clarified that it is a reallocation                                                               
rather than  a reduction  of costs. Thus,  rather than  tying the                                                               
cost   to  the   specific  transmission   source,  the   cost  is                                                               
distributed across the users of  the transmission system in a way                                                               
that is equitable and fair.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GIESSEL noted  that Iceland's model was used  as a template                                                               
for House  Bill 307. She  asked Ms. Holdman to  discuss Iceland's                                                               
transmission  system   and  how  Iceland  reduced   the  cost  of                                                               
electrons.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. HOLDMAN explained  that Iceland is similar to  Alaska in that                                                               
it  is not  part of  an interconnected  grid system.  She briefly                                                               
discussed  the  history  of  Iceland's  transmission  system  and                                                               
transmission  organization.  She  pointed out  that  Iceland  has                                                               
built  out large  economies  of scale  and  thus has  large-scale                                                               
industrial loads  and a  dynamic market.  She explained  how this                                                               
allows Iceland  to reduce  the costs for  all users  by spreading                                                               
fixed  costs,  despite  having  a  small  residential  population                                                               
relative to the size of the railbelt.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:27:26 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL  commented that the goal  is to have this  level of                                                               
system integration in Alaska.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:27:44 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMAN advanced to slide 15:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                     Healthy Grid Ecosystem                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
              Goal: affordable and reliable energy                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     These functions work together to enable:                                                                                   
        ? Efficient, cost-effective investments                                                                                 
        ? Maximum participation from independent generators                                                                     
          and third parties                                                                                                     
        ? System-wide     coordination     that     supports                                                                    
          reliability and ratepayer value                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     System-wide Planning                                                                                                     
     Identifies   long-term   needs   for   generation   and                                                                    
     transmission;    process    should   be    transparent,                                                                    
     inclusive, and data-driven. (RRC)                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Reliability Standards                                                                                                    
     Maintains  grid  stability   through  technical  rules,                                                                    
     contingency   planning,  and   enforcement  mechanisms.                                                                    
     (RRC)                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Independent Regulator                                                                                                    
     Ensures   fair   rates,   enforces   non-discriminatory                                                                    
     access, and protects public interest (RCA)                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Real-time Balancing                                                                                                      
     Maintains second-by-second  balance between  supply and                                                                    
     demand.   Supports  frequency   stability,  coordinates                                                                    
     reserves, and prevents  blackouts across defined areas.                                                                    
     (RTO, CEA/MEA Tight Pool) [Grey]                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Economic Dispatch Structure                                                                                              
     Optimizes  which generators  run  and when,  minimizing                                                                    
     total  system cost.  (e.g.,  single  GT, ISO,  Transco,                                                                    
     tight power pool) (RTO, CEA/MEA Tight Pool) [Grey]                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     System-wide Development (e.g. transmission)                                                                              
     Implements  those long-term  plans by  advancing shared                                                                    
     infrastructure projects. (?) [Grey]                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Grey  areas: progress  has been  made, but  there exist                                                                    
     opportunities       for        additional       process                                                                    
     improvement/legislative action                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HOLDMAN highlighted  system-wide development,  which is  not                                                               
assigned to  any organization. She  pointed out that  planning is                                                               
assigned  to RRC;  however, no  organization  is responsible  for                                                               
ensuring the  enactment of  those plans.  She surmised  that this                                                               
gap may emerge in the coming  years as RRC moves forward with its                                                               
planning function.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:29:48 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMAN advanced to slide 16:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     RTO - Current Status and Future                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
        ? RTO has been formally certificated by RCA                                                                             
        ? Governance Committee meeting on Friday 5/16 to                                                                        
          consider   Draft   Backbone  Transmission   System                                                                    
          Policy  proposed by  the  Working  Group; list  of                                                                    
          qualifying assets  and considerations  for revenue                                                                    
          mechanism   (Open   Access   Transmission   Tariff                                                                    
          (OATT)).                                                                                                              
        ? The RTO is expected to assume operational control                                                                     
          by July 1, 2026, with ongoing meetings and                                                                            
          stakeholder engagements to refine its structure                                                                       
          and policies.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     RTO also lays the institutional groundwork for greater                                                                     
     future coordination.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:31:28 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  GIESSEL  noted the  potential  for  future legislation  to                                                               
create a more  sophisticated system. She invited  Ms. Holdman and                                                               
Mr. Colt to discuss "net metering" and "net billing."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:32:20 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. COLT  explained that  "net metering"  refers to  the backward                                                               
and forward movement  of the meter as power is  either taken from                                                               
the  grid or  injected onto  the grid.  During this  process, kWh                                                               
produced by  a rooftop solar  panel are traded with  kWh produced                                                               
at a generation plant. He  explained that "net billing" refers to                                                               
anytime kWh are converted into  dollars to complete a transaction                                                               
to  settle the  account. Net  billing requires  a price  for kWh,                                                               
which may be different for buying versus selling kWh.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:35:26 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. COLT advanced to slide 17:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Additional Topics: Net metering versus net billing                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Example 1:                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
      During sunny weeks 1-2, you produce 80 more kWh than                                                                    
       you draw from the grid. You are 80 kWh ahead. Your                                                                       
     meter has run backwards by  80 kWh, shows -80. You have                                                                    
     80 kWh "in the bank."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     During cloudy  weeks 3-4,  you draw  100 kWh  more than                                                                  
     you produce.  The meter  runs forward  100 kWh.  End of                                                                    
     month, it sits at 20.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Billing time!  The meter shows -80  + 100 = 20  for the                                                                  
     month.  The excess  production during  sunny weeks  has                                                                    
     been  netted against  the  "excess" consumption  during                                                                    
     cloudy weeks.  You owe  the utility 20  kWh x  30 cents                                                                    
     per kWh retail rate = $6.00                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     This is  monthly "net metering." Within  the month, one                                                                  
     kWh injected  into the  grid trades  for one  kWh drawn                                                                    
     from the  grid. kWh for kWh.  At the end of  the month,                                                                    
     the net  consumption of 20  kWh turns into a  net bill.                                                                    
     One kWh  trades for 30  cents. kWh for $$.  Some people                                                                    
     might call this monthly net billing (!)                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. COLT  explained that in  example 1, the client  consumes more                                                               
kWh than  the amount  of kWh produced.  He shared  a hypothetical                                                               
scenario  to illustrate  this. He  noted that,  in the  past, the                                                               
meter could potentially run backwards on sunny days.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:37:12 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. COLT continued  to discuss the hypothetical  example shown on                                                               
slide  17. He  explained  the process  of  monthly net  metering,                                                               
which trades  kWh produced  for kWh consumed.  He noted  that the                                                               
utility is not  concerned with the specific details  of the meter                                                               
changes  over  time. Instead,  the  utility  focuses on  the  net                                                               
consumption, which  is then  converted into a  net bill.  He said                                                               
the terms  "monthly net metering"  and "monthly net  billing" can                                                               
become obscured in this case. He  opined that this example can be                                                               
labeled as either and briefly explained his reasoning.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:39:29 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL  noted that utilities have  operational costs (e.g.                                                               
utility line  investment costs and  personnel costs)  in addition                                                               
to the  cost of  generation and electrons.  She pointed  out that                                                               
the  utility user  in  example 1  is not  billed  for the  80-kWh                                                               
generated during the  month - and therefore is not  paying any of                                                               
the  associated  operational  costs.  She asked  who  pays  those                                                               
costs.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:40:23 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  COLT replied  that  this  is an  important  question in  the                                                               
debate  related  to establishing  net  metering  and pricing  the                                                               
output of  a solar  panel. He offered  a hypothetical  example to                                                               
illustrate how primary reliance on  solar panels may result in an                                                               
unfair advantage for those individuals,  as they are hooked up to                                                               
the grid  but do not  pay "fixed cost"  grid fees. He  added that                                                               
this problem  is not  limited to solar  panels and  explained how                                                               
this issue extends to energy efficient appliances.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:43:13 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL  observed that one  concern is related to  the cost                                                               
of installing  solar panels, which  not all users can  afford. In                                                               
this case,  the fixed cost grid  fees are shifted to  those users                                                               
who  cannot afford  solar panels.  She  shared her  understanding                                                               
that  net  billing  allows  the   fixed  cost  grid  fees  to  be                                                               
distributed equally amongst all users.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:44:06 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  COLT confirmed  this understanding  about the  potential for                                                               
allocating and  distributing the  fixed costs  of the  network so                                                               
that  those who  utilize solar  panels also  pay those  costs. He                                                               
pointed out that  Senate Bill 123 includes a  customer charge. He                                                               
explained that one way to address  the distribution of fees is to                                                               
increase  the customer  charge  and relabel  it  to the  "network                                                               
charge"  - which  is the  label used  in other  jurisdictions and                                                               
countries. He briefly  explained that this would  ensure that all                                                               
users  connected to  the network  pay the  associated fixed  cost                                                               
grid  fees -  regardless  of  whether they  use  the network.  He                                                               
commented that this is a very  simple solution but opined that it                                                               
is politically nearly impossible to implement.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  COLT  noted  that  slide   18  contains  an  infographic  to                                                               
illustrate  net  metering  versus  net billing  (example  1).  He                                                               
stated  that this  was discussed  previously (slide  17), and  he                                                               
would continue to slide 19.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:45:59 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. COLT advanced to slide 19:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Net Metering versus net billing:                                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
     Example 2                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     During  sunny weeks  1-2, you  produce  1,000 more  kWh                                                                  
     than you  draw from  the grid;  meter runs  backward to                                                                    
     reach -1000.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     During cloudy  weeks 3-4,  you draw  100 kWh  more than                                                                  
     you produce; meter  runs forward by 100 kWh  to reach -                                                                    
     900.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Billing time! The meter shows  minus 900 for the month.                                                                  
     The sunny  injection of 1,000  has been  netted against                                                                    
     the cloudy  draw of 100.  The utility pays you  for 900                                                                    
     kWh, but at  the avoided cost rate of 6  cents per kWh.                                                                    
     900 x 6 cents = $54.00.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Again, the  monthly net  kWh turns  into a  monthly net                                                                    
     bill.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:48:06 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. COLT  noted that utilities  compensate users who  produce kWh                                                               
for the  grid at a  rate much lower  than retail. He  opined that                                                               
this is  one solution  to the  problem of  solar panel  users not                                                               
paying fixed cost grid fees  and briefly explained his reasoning.                                                               
He emphasized the  difference in the price received  by those who                                                               
sell  kWh to  the  utility  versus those  who  buy  kWh from  the                                                               
utility. He  acknowledged that this  is only a  partial solution,                                                               
as those  who buy less power  continue to contribute less  to the                                                               
fixed costs. He emphasized that,  for net metering, the meter may                                                               
run  backwards; however,  this can  have a  very different  value                                                               
when it comes to net billing.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:50:27 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. COLT advanced to slide 21:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Net Metering versus net billing:                                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
     Example 3                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     What about Annual "Net Metering"                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     During  June sunny  weeks 1-2,  you produce  1,000 more                                                                  
     kWh  than you  draw from  the grid.  You are  1,000 kWh                                                                    
     ahead. Your meter  has run backwards by  1,000 kWh. You                                                                    
     have 1,000 kWh "in the bank."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     During June  cloudy weeks  3-4, you  draw 100  kWh more                                                                  
     than you produce.  Your meter runs forward  100 kWh. It                                                                    
     sits at minus 900.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Under  Annual  "net  metering", you  Roll  Forward  the                                                                  
     credit  into   July.  If  you   pile  up   more  excess                                                                    
     production,  you   roll  the  cumulative   credit  into                                                                    
     August?.and?.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Repeat, while the sun shines?.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:52:32 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. COLT advanced to slide 22:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Net Metering versus net billing:                                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
     Act 3: Annual "Net Metering"                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     During winter,  the meter runs  forward and  the credit                                                                  
     drops, but it  continues to roll forward  from month to                                                                  
     month. Just like eating a stored harvest of sunshine.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Settlement time occurs in March (say). Read the meter:                                                                   
        ? If it has run forward over the entire previous                                                                        
          year, you pay for the net consumption, at the                                                                         
          retail rate.                                                                                                          
        ? If it has run backward, the utility likely pays                                                                       
          you for your net production, at the avoided cost                                                                      
          rate.                                                                                                                 
        ? But the settlement could also occur in other                                                                          
          ways. For example, any accrued credit could                                                                           
          simply expire.                                                                                                        
        ? Some people would call this annual net billing(!)                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Hybrid  arrangements are  possible?e.g.  bank the  July                                                                    
     kWh  injections  as  dollars using  the  summer  retail                                                                    
     rate; withdraw  banked dollars as kWh  using the winter                                                                    
     retail rate.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:55:55 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS  surmised that  annual billing  could result  in an                                                               
unexpected, expensive  bill for  users if  the weather  is cloudy                                                               
for  prolonged   periods.  He  asked  for   confirmation  of  his                                                               
understanding.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:56:31 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  COLT  agreed. He  clarified  that  users would  continue  to                                                               
receive monthly bills  for the customer charge.  He surmised that                                                               
users would  also receive a monthly  bill for any kWh  usage. The                                                               
surplus from  excess kWh produced  during sunny periods  would be                                                               
converted  into dollars  at the  retail rate.  He explained  that                                                               
this would result  in a stock of kWh (converted  to dollars) that                                                               
could  then  be  applied  to future  billing.  He  clarified  his                                                               
earlier answer  and reiterated that, under  annual billing, users                                                               
would  continue to  pay monthly  for any  energy usage  and would                                                               
therefore not be subject to large, unexpected bills.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GIESSEL thanked the presenters.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:59:16 PM                                                                                                                    
There being  no further  business to  come before  the committee,                                                               
Chair Giessel  adjourned the Senate Resources  Standing Committee                                                               
meeting at 4:59 p.m.                                                                                                            

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
ACEP Testimony on RRC RTO Net Metering 5.14.25.pdf SRES 5/14/2025 3:30:00 PM