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01/27/2025 03:30 PM Senate RESOURCES

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03:30:18 PM Start
03:30:55 PM Presentation(s): Wood Mackenzie – Economic Viability Assessment and Economic Value of Alaska Lng Project – Phase One
04:33:17 PM Presentation(s): Alaska Gasline Development Corporation Report
05:02:16 PM Adjourn
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Costa Swift - Vice President in the Upstream
and Carbon Management Consulting Team
Akira Takiguchi - Managing Consultant, Americas
Consulting
Presentation: Alaska Gasline Development
Corporation by
Frank Richards - President, Alaska Gasline
Development Corporation
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                        January 27, 2025                                                                                        
                            3:30 pm                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Cathy Giessel, Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Bill Wielechowski, Vice Chair                                                                                           
Senator Matt Claman                                                                                                             
Senator Forrest Dunbar                                                                                                          
Senator Scott Kawasaki                                                                                                          
Senator Shelley Hughes                                                                                                          
Senator Robert Myers                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kelly Merrick                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION(S): WOOD MACKENZIE  ECONOMIC VIABILITY ASSESSMENT                                                                  
AND ECONOMIC VALUE OF ALASKA LNG PROJECT  PHASE 1                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION(S): ALASKA GASLINE DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION REPORT                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
FRANK RICHARDS, President                                                                                                       
Alaska Gasline Development Corporation (AGDC)                                                                                   
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Introduced the presentation on the Wood                                                                   
MacKenzie Viability Assessment and Economic Value of Alaska LNG                                                                 
Project - Phase 1.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
COSTA SWIFT, Vice President                                                                                                     
Upstream and Carbon Management Consulting Team                                                                                  
Wood MacKenzie                                                                                                                  
Houston, Texas                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Gave  the  presentation,   Wood  MacKenzie                                                             
Viability Assessment and  Economic Value of Alaska  LNG Project -                                                               
Phase 1.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
FRANK RICHARDS, President                                                                                                       
Alaska Gasline Development Corporation (AGDC)                                                                                   
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Gave  the  presentation,   Alaska  Gasline                                                             
Development Corporation Report.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MATT KISSINGER, Senior Principal                                                                                                
New Business Ventures                                                                                                           
Alaska Gasline Development Corporation (AGDC)                                                                                   
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT: Answered  questions on  the presentation  by                                                             
the Alaska Gasline Development Corporation Report.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:30:18 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  GIESSEL called  the  Senate  Resources Standing  Committee                                                               
meeting to order  at 3:30 p.m. Present at the  call to order were                                                               
Senators  Myers,  Dunbar,  Kawasaki, Hughes,  Claman,  and  Chair                                                               
Giessel. Senator Wielechowski arrived shortly thereafter.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION(S): WOOD MACKENZIE    ECONOMIC VIABILITY ASSESSMENT                                                               
and ECONOMIC VALUE OF ALASKA LNG PROJECT  PHASE One                                                                             
 PRESENTATION(S): WOOD MACKENZIE  ECONOMIC VIABILITY ASSESSMENT                                                             
      and ECONOMIC VALUE OF ALASKA LNG PROJECT  PHASE One                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
3:30:55 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL  announced the presentation titled  Wood MacKenzie,                                                               
Economic Viability  Assessment and  Economic Value of  Alaska LNG                                                               
Project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:31:34 PM                                                                                                                    
FRANK   RICHARDS,    President,   Alaska    Gasline   Development                                                               
Corporation    (AGDC),   Anchorage,    Alaska   introduced    the                                                               
presentation,  Wood MacKenzie  Economic Viability  Assessment and                                                               
Economic Value  of Alaska LNG  Project - Phase One.  He explained                                                               
that the Alaska legislature  requested an independent third-party                                                               
evaluation  of Phase  One of  the  Alaska LNG  project the  prior                                                               
year. The study objective was  to determine the gross value added                                                               
to the state of Alaska should the project proceed.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:32:27 PM                                                                                                                    
Technical issues delayed the presentation.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:33:13 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:38:52 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   GIESSEL   reconvened   the  meeting.   Technical   issues                                                               
persisted.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:40:53 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:43:06 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL reconvened the meeting.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:43:40 PM                                                                                                                    
COSTA  SWIFT,  Vice  President, Upstream  and  Carbon  Management                                                               
Consulting Team,  Wood MacKenzie (WM), Houston,  Texas, began the                                                               
presentation  of  the  Wood MacKenzie  Viability  Assessment  and                                                               
Economic Value  of Alaska LNG Project  - Phase 1 report.  He said                                                               
the  presentation  today was  a  short  version of  the  complete                                                               
report.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:44:55 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWIFT moved to and narrated slide 4.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Project Background                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
     Wood   Mackenzie   has   worked   extensively   as   an                                                                    
     independent consultant on  Alaska's energy issues since                                                                    
     2016 to  provide an economic analysis  of the viability                                                                    
     of  the  cost of  supply  (CoS)  for Alaska  LNG  (also                                                                    
     referred  to  as AK  LNG).  Most  recently in  2021/22,                                                                    
     Alaska Gasline  Development Corporation  (AGDC) engaged                                                                    
     Wood Mackenzie  for an  updated analysis  that included                                                                    
     calculating a  new base CoS,  identifying opportunities                                                                    
     to  optimize  the  CoS,   a  competitive  analysis  and                                                                    
     providing our long-term projections.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:46:01 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWIFT continued to narrate slide 4.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Since  the  last  study, AGDC  has  proposed  a  phased                                                                    
     approach  to developing  Alaska LNG.  Phase 1  involves                                                                    
     developing  the gas  pipeline from  the North  Slope to                                                                    
     Southcentral and  Interior Alaska  markets. As  part of                                                                    
     Phase  1,  ADGC  has  engaged  Wood  Mackenzie  for  an                                                                    
     independent  economic  analysis  of  the  proposed  gas                                                                  
     pipeline  and  an  economic benefit  analysis  for  the                                                                
     state of Alaska.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     The  information on  which this  independent report  is                                                                    
     based has  either come  from our  experience, knowledge                                                                    
     and database  or it  has been supplied  to us  by AGDC.                                                                    
     The  opinions expressed  in this  report  are those  of                                                                    
     Wood  Mackenzie. They  have been  arrived at  following                                                                    
     careful  consideration  and  enquiry,  but  we  do  not                                                                    
     guarantee  their fairness,  completeness, or  accuracy.                                                                    
     The opinions, as  of this date, are  subject to change.                                                                    
     Please note that for this  engagement, we have adjusted                                                                    
     our  standard base  case  to  reflect disclosed  asset-                                                                    
     specific information.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     This Report is structured across 5 sections:                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
       • Southcentral and Interior Alaska market overview                                                                       
        • Delivered cost of piped gas and scenario analysis                                                                     
        • Analysis of LNG imports as an alternative                                                                             
        • Economic impact of Alaska LNG Phase 1                                                                                 
        • Final takeaways and conclusions                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:47:30PM                                                                                                                     
MR. SWIFT moved to and narrated slide 5. Slide 5 includes two                                                                   
graphs:                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
• "Cook Inlet Gas production" depicts the history and the                                                                       
   projected future level of production beginning in 2000 through                                                               
   2070.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
• "Exploration activity in the Cook Inlet Basin" depicts the                                                                    
   results of exploration activities from 2009 through 2023.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Gas supply has been  dwindling, and despite exploration                                                                  
     efforts  by   operators,  no  new  volumes   have  been                                                                  
     discovered in Cook Inlet to replenish the reserves                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
        • Cook Inlet production is expected to be depleted                                                                      
          by the mid-2030s                                                                                                      
        • Exploration success in the Cook inlet has been                                                                        
          limited:                                                                                                              
          • 34 exploration wells drilled in the last 15                                                                       
             years 9 percent success rate with only three                                                                            
             commercial discoveries                                                                                             
          • 270 bcf of reserves discovered in the last 15                                                                     
             years                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:49:21 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWIFT moved to and narrated slide 6, describing two                                                                         
alternatives to replace the declining production in Cook Inlet.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     With Cook  Inlet gas production recovery  proving to be                                                                  
     a challenge,  two main  alternatives to  addressing the                                                                  
     forecast  supply gap  are a  new gas  pipeline and  LNG                                                                  
     imports                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Gas supply  alternatives for Southcentral  and Interior                                                                  
     Alaska market                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     1. Natural gas supply via pipeline                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     In  Phase  1,  a 765-mile,  42-inch  diameter  mainline                                                                    
     pipeline  will connect  the Southcentral  Alaska region                                                                    
     with  the  northern  fields,  providing  a  secure  and                                                                    
     affordable gas  supply. In the beginning,  the pipeline                                                                    
     will  supply  local  and industrial  consumption,  then                                                                    
     expand  to  provide  feed  gas   for  export  into  LNG                                                                    
     markets.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Key stats                                                                                                                
     •  Total capex: From US$10.8 billion to US$14.9 billion                                                                    
        for max capacity                                                                                                        
     • Time to first gas: 2031                                                                                                  
     • Capacity: 3.3 bcfd at max                                                                                                
     •  Ability to expand to cover incremental investment in                                                                    
        subsequent LNG phases                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:50:22 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWIFT continued to narrate slide 6.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     2. LNG imports1  Gas imports via LNG  require regas and                                                                    
     further  downstream infrastructure,  including an  FSRU                                                                    
     dock to  take the  imported gas and  potentially inland                                                                    
     storage  for  operations   optimization  across  yearly                                                                    
     seasonality.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Key stats                                                                                                                
     • Total capex: TBD                                                                                                         
     • Time to first gas: 3 - 4 years post FID2                                                                                 
      • Capacity: 400 to 450 mmcfd fit for current demand                                                                       
        without increased industrial activity                                                                                   
     • Expected utilization: 40  45 percent                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Slide  6  includes   two  maps  illustrating  each   of  the  two                                                               
alternatives described by the slide.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:51:25 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS  noted that  the capex for  "1. Natural  gas supply                                                               
via pipeline" is estimated to be  $10.8 to $14.9 billion. He said                                                               
$40 billion  has been quoted  for around  a decade. He  asked for                                                               
clarification about what "Phase 1" does and does not include.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:51:57 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  SWIFT  answered  that  Phase  One is  only  related  to  the                                                               
pipeline itself.  It includes the  main line of the  pipeline and                                                               
does  not   include  extra  compression,   the  Cook   Inlet  and                                                               
additional [pipeline] section  that would be needed;  it does not                                                               
include the  expansion to Point  Thompson or anything  related to                                                               
the LNG itself. He said Phase 1 was just the main pipeline.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:52:41 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS  sought to  clarify further. He  said, to  fill the                                                               
gap between  the $11 billion  figure in this presentation  to the                                                               
$40 billion that has been quoted in the past would include:                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
• 50-60 miles of pipeline to Point Thompson                                                                                     
• 30-40 miles of pipeline across Cook Inlet                                                                                     
• LNG export plant                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:53:12 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  SWIFT concurred,  though he  acknowledged uncertainty  about                                                               
the  $40  billion figure.  He  said  it  would also  include  gas                                                               
processing at Cook Inlet for LNG volumes.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:53:31 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS commented  that the comparison of  nearly 800 miles                                                               
of  pipeline  to  around  100  miles  of  pipeline,  plus  a  gas                                                               
treatment plant plus a gas  compression facility to re-liquefy it                                                               
did not quite add up.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:54:03 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  CLAMAN referred  to alternative  "2. LNG  imports", "Key                                                               
Stats"   and  asked   for  an   explanation   of  the   "Expected                                                               
utilization: 40-45 percent."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:54:33 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWIFT  said 40-45 percent references  the overall utilization                                                               
of  the facility.  He  said,  because of  the  typical nature  of                                                               
demand, the facility must be built  large enough to meet the peak                                                               
demand. During the low season,  the facility isn't utilized fully                                                               
and spare capacity  is needed in the facility to  be able to take                                                               
in more gas during peak seasons.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:55:13 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL  asked for  greater clarification  of what  was not                                                               
included  in  the estimate  for  Phase  1.  She noted  that  past                                                               
estimates [for  an LNG  pipeline] by  Exxon included  a treatment                                                               
facility on the  North Slope, the pipeline  itself and off-takes,                                                               
for example  to Fairbanks, as well  as an export facility  on the                                                               
[Kenai] Peninsula, which,  she surmised, was how  they arrived at                                                               
$40 billion. She noted that was  ten years ago. She observed that                                                               
there had been  inflation; and she opined that a  pipeline all by                                                               
itself would not meet the need  for gas in southcentral Alaska if                                                               
that  gas hasn't  been  treated on  the North  Slope  to make  it                                                               
consumer ready. She  said Fairbanks needed a  take-off point from                                                               
the pipeline. She asked how the $11 billion would meet the need.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:56:41 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWIFT  said the  assumptions that were  used from  the supply                                                               
perspective  were  that  gas  would  come  from  the  Great  Bear                                                               
Pantheon  field. Part  of the  modeling  was to  verify that  was                                                               
possible at their  selling price. He said the  cost of processing                                                               
and splitting into  the upstream fields was included  in order to                                                               
get  the  minimum  gas  required   to  meet  the  demand  of  the                                                               
southcentral region.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:57:14 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL asked whether Pantheon had gas.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:57:30 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWIFT  affirmed that Pantheon  did some flow testing  and did                                                               
have gas. He described the  model Wood MacKenzie (WM) built based                                                               
on the publicly available flow  test results and according to the                                                               
model, which showed  an increase in the net present  value of the                                                               
asset, it would make sense for Pantheon to sell the gas.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:58:07 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  noted that  AGDC had  previously negotiated                                                               
agreements  with Prudhoe  Bay and  Point  Thompson producers.  He                                                               
asked whether those agreements had expired.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:58:22 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  SWIFT said  he did  not  know whether  those agreements  had                                                               
expired and suggested that would be a question for AGDC.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:58:46 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI  asked  whether  Great  Bear  Pantheon  had                                                               
funding to develop its resources.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWIFT said that was not something WM looked at.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:58:59 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked whether  the agreement with AGDC would                                                               
require the  removal of carbon  dioxide (CO2) to  accommodate the                                                               
design  of  the [pipeline]  system  if  the Great  Bear  Pantheon                                                               
supply is found to contain CO2.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:59:15 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWIFT said he was unable to comment on that.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:59:21 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KAWASAKI referred  to the WM cost of supply  chart from a                                                               
2022 presentation  which addressed the  price for a  pipeline. He                                                               
said the  cost of supply  was noted at $7  MMBtu and the  cost of                                                               
the pipeline  was estimated to  be around $12.7 million.  He said                                                               
the capital  costs mentioned in  the prior presentation,  but not                                                               
in the  current one were  the LNG facility at  approximately $6.8                                                               
billion and the  gas treatment plant on the North  slope would be                                                               
about $9.2 billion.  He asked whether the $40  billion figure may                                                               
have come from that presentation.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:00:11 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWIFT concurred.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:00:26 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWIFT moved to and narrated slide 7.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Four scenarios  were developed and analyzed  to account                                                                  
     for:  existing  gas  demand (baseload),  potential  new                                                                  
     demand   brought   by   gas   availability,   and   the                                                                  
     construction of a 20 [million  tons per annum] mtpa LNG                                                                  
     facility                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Scenario 1: Baseload                                                                                                   
     This  includes  the Current  State  demand  for gas  in                                                                    
     Southcentral  and  Interior  Alaska.  Plus,  additional                                                                    
     demand from  Fairbanks substitution of oil/wood  as gas                                                                    
     becomes  available to  avoid  EPA's nonattainment  area                                                                    
     designation and  finally, the ramp-up from  the Nikiski                                                                    
     Refinery                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Components:                                                                                                              
     Current state (Southcentral + Interior)                                                                                    
      + Fairbanks                                                                                                               
      + Nikiski Refinery                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Average  gas  demand  ([million  cubic  feet  per  day]                                                                  
     mmcfd, 2031-2071)                                                                                                        
     ~190                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Scenario 2: WM Case                                                                                                    
     Baseload   plus   additional   gas  demand   based   on                                                                    
     historical  gas demand  for the  industrial sector  and                                                                    
     population  growth  forecasts. We  estimate  Industrial                                                                    
     demand will reach  48 mmcfd (32 mmcfd  additional to 16                                                                    
                                    1                                                                                           
     mmcfd from the Nikiski Refinery)                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Components:                                                                                                              
     Baseload                                                                                                                   
      + Additional Industrial Activity                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Average gas demand (mmcfd, 2031-2071)                                                                                    
     ~220                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Scenario 3: Additional Industrial demand                                                                               
     This  considers  the  maximum  upside  from  industrial                                                                    
     demand  based  on  high-consuming  facilities  starting                                                                    
     operations.  This  incremental  gas demand  could  come                                                                    
     from  restarting  a   previously  operating  fertilizer                                                                    
     plant, a  new ammonia plant (brownfield  or greenfield)                                                                    
     or new data centers.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Components:                                                                                                              
     WM Case                                                                                                                    
      + High-consuming industrial plant                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Average gas demand (mmcfd, 2031-2071)                                                                                    
     ~320                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Scenario 4: Alaska LNG                                                                                                 
     The 20 mtpa  LNG Facility (Alaska LNG)  will require an                                                                    
                                              2                                                                                 
     additional 2,844  mmcfd at full  capacity.  This demand                                                                    
     was added to the WM Case  and assumed to come online in                                                                    
     2032 with one  6.7 mtpa train and two more  in 2033 and                                                                    
     2034, respectively                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Components:                                                                                                              
     WM Case                                                                                                                    
                  3                                                                                                             
      + Alaska LNG                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Average gas demand (mmcfd, 2031-2071)                                                                                    
     ~2,930                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Source:  Wood Mackenzie  1. In  2001 industrial  demand                                                                    
     reached   185  mmcfd   with  industrial   activity  and                                                                    
     population  at  632,716.   Even  though  population  is                                                                    
     expected   to  peak   in   2033,   WM  expects   enough                                                                    
     demographic base  to support  increased demand  back to                                                                    
     historic levels  via additional uses of  natural gas 2.                                                                    
     Feedgas estimation considers  7.11 percent Liquefaction                                                                    
     Loss,  1.56percent   Transport  Loss,   and  52,000,000                                                                    
     mmbtu/mt and  1,090 [british thermal unit  per standard                                                                    
     cubic foot] Btu/scf  conversions. 3. Additional average                                                                    
     demand is  2,705 for the  40 years due to  phased kick-                                                                    
     off of one train per year.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:02:25 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  SWIFT  moved  to  and   narrated  slide  8,  continuing  the                                                               
comparison of  the four  model scenarios,  specifically comparing                                                               
the projected  costs for each  scenario. Slide 8 also  contains a                                                               
map  illustrating  the  route  of the  proposed  AK  LNG  gasline                                                               
mainline,  the  Point Thompson  Transmission  Line  and the  Cook                                                               
Inlet Crossing                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Costs in the first  three scenarios account for minimum                                                                  
     compression capacity but with  Alaska LNG, the cost for                                                                  
     compression and a  segment to cross Cook  Inlet is also                                                                  
     considered                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska LNG Pipeline capex by scenario                                                                                    
     Real 2024 US$ million                                                                                                      
     [Slide 8 presents the following information in a table                                                                     
     format.]                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Baseload Scenario                                                                                                        
     Capex / Scenarios (2024 US$ million):                                                                                      
                     1                                                                                                          
     Phase 1 mainline $10,769                                                                                                   
     Total Amount $10,769                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     WM Case                                                                                                                  
     Capex / Scenarios (2024 US$ million):                                                                                      
                     1                                                                                                          
     Phase 1 mainline $10,769                                                                                                   
     Total Amount $10,769                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Additional Industrial demand                                                                                             
     Capex / Scenarios (2024 US$ million):                                                                                      
                     1                                                                                                          
     Phase 1 mainline $10,769                                                                                                   
     Total Amount $10,769                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska LNG                                                                                                               
     Capex / Scenarios (2024 US$ million):                                                                                      
                     1                                                                                                          
     Phase 1 mainline $10,769                                                                                                   
     Compression $2,485                                                                                                         
     Cook Inlet + Additional Section $1,131                                                                                     
                                       2                                                                                        
     Point Thompson Expansion $564 N.A.                                                                                         
     Total Amount $14,385                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     [Baseload Scenario, Phase 1 mainline $10,769 million]                                                                      
     • In-state gas demand is burden only by Phase 1 Capex                                                                      
      • Additional cost is considered only for LNG volumes                                                                      
        coming online                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Source: Wood Mackenzie with information from AGDC                                                                          
     1. Considers 20 percent Contingency and US$50 million                                                                      
     of Property Taxes                                                                                                          
     2.  Alaska LNG  Scenario  does not  consider the  Point                                                                    
     Thompson  Expansion cost.  In order  not to  affect the                                                                    
     rest of the  shippers it must be considered  as part of                                                                    
     the purchase gas cost for the LNG facility only.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:03:40 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWIFT  moved to and narrated  slide 9, consisting of  a graph                                                               
comparing   the  four   scenarios'  projected   pipeline  capital                                                               
expenditures  (Capex) and  the delivered  cost of  Gas [price  to                                                               
consumer] from the year 2031 through 2071.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     The scenario  analysis shows an asymmetrical  impact on                                                                  
     the  delivered cost  of  gas from  a  change in  demand                                                                  
     accruing to the consumers' benefit                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     [Slide  9  consists  of  a  graph  comparing  the  four                                                                    
     scenarios'  projected   pipeline  capital  expenditures                                                                    
     (Capex)  and  the  delivered  cost  of  Gas  [price  to                                                                    
     consumer] from the year 2031 through 2071.]                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:04:52 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL commented  that there are decades  between 2031 and                                                               
2071  and  she  opined  that  the figures  may  not  account  for                                                               
inflation  over that  period. She  said she  wouldn't bank  on [a                                                               
consumer price] of $2.32, but said it was a nice idea.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:05:15 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWIFT  moved to and  narrated slide  10. Slide 10  contains a                                                               
table   and  a   tornado   chart   demonstrating  WM's   finding:                                                               
"Additional  sensitivities showed  that securing  a Federal  Loan                                                               
Guarantee and reducing  Property Tax have the most  impact on the                                                               
cost of gas."                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWIFT  explained that the left  side of the table  listed the                                                               
different sensitivities tested,  including debt-to-equity ratios,                                                               
federal  loan  guarantees,  borrowing rates,  return  on  equity,                                                               
property tax,  project life,  gas cost,  Capex, and  supply point                                                               
and the  right side of the  table visualized the impact  of these                                                               
sensitivities  via tornado  chart. He  pointed out  that the  two                                                               
most significant  sensitivities affecting  the cost [of  gas] are                                                               
the federal loan guarantee and property tax.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:07:10 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  SWIFT moved  to and  narrated slide  11. He  noted that  the                                                               
presentation  had focused  on the  gas supply  from the  northern                                                               
part of Alaska and said importing LNG would be the other option.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     The  LNG  import  cost  analysis  considers  four  main                                                                  
     components  (LNG  cost, shipping,  and  regasification)                                                                  
     across the value chain, each  with a potential range of                                                                  
     results                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     LNG import cost components                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     1. LNG Cost                                                                                                              
        • Multiple  alternatives exist  for securing  supply                                                                    
          of  LNG  (i.e.  acquiring the  molecule),  ranging                                                                    
          from spot  market purchases, long-term  supply and                                                                    
          purchase  agreements (SPA),  or  taking a  tolling                                                                    
          position partnering with an LNG developer                                                                             
        • Each alternative provides exposure  to its own set                                                                    
          of market  risks and requires different  levels of                                                                    
          investment and management                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     2. Shipping                                                                                                              
        • LNG  being a  global  commodity provides  multiple                                                                    
          geographical  alternatives  that require  shipping                                                                    
          cost considerations                                                                                                   
        • Alaska's access to  the Pacific means geographical                                                                    
          focus  in  Pacific  facing  projects,  ideally  as                                                                    
          close  as possible  (e.g.  West Canada  projects),                                                                    
          though   other   limitations    arise,   such   as                                                                    
         availability of supply or possible ship sizes                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:09:01 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWIFT continued to narrate slide 11.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     3. Regasification                                                                                                        
        • LNG  requires to  be regasified  (transformed back                                                                    
          to natural gas) to be consumed                                                                                        
        • Regasification  costs  depends upon  configuration                                                                    
          of   the  processing   facility  e.g.:   Land  vs.                                                                    
                                                          1                                                                     
          [Floating Storage  and Regasification Unit] FSRU,                                                                     
          overall  size,  storage  requirements,  levels  of                                                                    
          utilization, etc.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     4. On shore gas reception                                                                                                
        • There  are  potential infrastructure  requirements                                                                    
          depending on specific  circumstances such as costs                                                                    
          to access  the gas  network and/or  requirement to                                                                    
          have a dock that meets  the needs to bring the gas                                                                    
          in-land in the case of an FSRU                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Range of Cost estimated for LNG Imports                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
    Source:   Wood    Mackenzie;   1.    Floating   Storage                                                                     
     Regasification Unit                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:10:21 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  GIESSEL  noted that  ignoring  the  onshore gas  reception                                                               
costs created a significant unknown in WMs estimate.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:10:39 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWIFT concurred  and said the typical costs  for [onshore gas                                                               
reception]  around  the  world  vary from  $50  to  $500  million                                                               
dollars. He said the cost is very site-determinate.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:10:58 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL asked whether WM  looked at the site the [railbelt]                                                               
utility collaborative  was considering  and had reserved  for the                                                               
AK LNG import facility.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:11:18 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWIFT said WM had not.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:11:24 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  SWIFT moved  to and  narrated  slide 12,  which states:  LNG                                                               
imports  estimated at  ~US  $10.2-13.7/mmbtu  plus onshore  costs                                                               
downstream  of regas,  within  range of  the  delivered cost  via                                                               
pipeline. Slide 12 consists of two tables.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWIFT explained the four  components of the first table, "LNG                                                               
Import cost range per value chain component":                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
•    LNG price  - the  LNG market prefers  contracts linked  to a                                                               
          global price, with JKM (North Asian gas price)                                                                        
          preferred over JCC (oil-linked contract) and becoming                                                                 
          more common.                                                                                                          
 •   Shipping - shipping from Mexico results in a $1.40                                                                         
          reduction in costs, while shipping from Australia adds                                                                
          $0.12 to $0.20.                                                                                                       
 •   Regas - FSRU costs range between $1 to $1.50 and often                                                                     
          require longer-term commitments, ten to twenty years.                                                                 
 •   Onshore reception - cost varies greatly depending on the                                                                   
          site                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWIFT  explained the second  table comparing LNG  import cost                                                               
with  the  cost  of  gas  delivered  by  pipeline  and  made  the                                                               
following observations.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Imported LNG:                                                                                                                 
•    The cost of LNG import rises with onshore reception costs.                                                                 
•    The  price range  of  importing LNG  is  between $10.20  and                                                               
     $13.70 without the dock cost.                                                                                              
•    The cost  of imported LNG  does not decrease  with increased                                                               
     demand.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Pipeline delivered Gas:                                                                                                       
•    The   base  load   pipeline  gas   price  is   $12.80,  with                                                               
     incremental demand lowering the price.                                                                                     
        • Industrial demand lowers the price to $8.97, and                                                                      
          additional industrial demand further reduces it to                                                                    
          $2.23.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:14:31 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS said he observed  that futures and projections show                                                               
significant JKM  prices over  the next  decade. He  asked whether                                                               
that was observed by WM and if it was incorporated in the model.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:15:04 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWIFT  said prices for the  model were based on  WM long-term                                                               
forecasts, the most recent for the  model would have been the H-2                                                               
forecast for both JKM and JCC.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:15:34 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DUNBAR  asked  whether   the  $2.23  price  quoted  [for                                                               
pipeline gas]  was the  marginal price of  the average  price. He                                                               
further asked  when that average  price is achieved if  the price                                                               
included all the capital costs.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:16:24 PM                                                                                                                    
Mr. SWIFT  said $2.23  was the  price required  to achieve  a ten                                                               
percent return to  the pipeline owner based on the  level of debt                                                               
and equity used to build the  pipeline. He said that would be the                                                               
price of gas  delivered to the domestic market. He  said sales to                                                               
the domestic market return ten percent to the pipeline owner.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:17:10 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR withheld further questions and comment.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:17:56 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  SWIFT sought  to  clarify  that the  modeling  was based  on                                                               
achieving the required ten percent return on investment.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:18:54 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR  noted the  timeline on slide  9 extended  to 2071                                                               
and observed that all the gas  would not be delivered through the                                                               
pipeline at  the same time.  He asked whether the  model included                                                               
all the gas expected to pass through the pipeline through 2071.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:19:19 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWIFT concurred. He pointed out that scenarios that consider                                                                
the possibility that the pipeline operates until 2051 instead of                                                                
2071 only increases the rate by $0.57.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:19:54 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWIFT moved to and narrated slide 13. He said WM compared                                                                   
the socio-economic benefits of AK LNG - Phase 1 with the socio-                                                                 
economic benefits of imported LNG to Alaska.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     The approach to assess the socio-economics benefits of                                                                   
     Alaska LNG Phase 1 considers four components                                                                             
                                                                                                                              
    Components   Considered    to   Assess   Socio-Economic                                                                   
     Benefits                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                              
     1. Assess standalone capex by project components:                                                                        
                                                                                                                              
        • Total Capital Expenditure for Construction                                                                          
        • Analyze spend directly impacting Alaska                                                                               
             • Direct impact from increased labor, land,                                                                        
               and rights of way activity related to the                                                                        
               project                                                                                                          
        • Additional   implied   benefit    of   access   to                                                                    
          incremental demand and higher probability of AK                                                                       
          LNG                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     2. Assess socio-economic benefits for the lifetime of                                                                    
     the project                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
        • Lifetime operational expenditure (mostly in-state                                                                   
          spend)                                                                                                                
        • Government tax for gas monetization, pipeline                                                                       
          operations, and others                                                                                                
        • Direct job creation by project components                                                                           
             • Construction phase                                                                                               
             • Operations phase                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     3. Assess Indirect and Induced benefits                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
        • Benchmark and select input-output multipliers for                                                                   
          indirect and induced benefits                                                                                     
        • Quantify Indirect & Induced impact on Alaska                                                                      
                                 1                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
       4. Assess potential for savings with access to low-                                                                    
     cost gas supply & other benefits                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
        • Identify expected total state gas consumption                                                                       
        • Compare resulting cost of gas under base case                                                                       
          scenario to alternatives (LNG Imports)                                                                                
        • Project potential for savings across the target                                                                     
          operating period (20312071)                                                                                           
        • Include other benefits, such as Fairbanks gas                                                                         
          adoption                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
         Alaska LNG Phase 1 development: Socio-economic                                                                       
     benefits reflected in GVA, jobs and potential savings                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
      Source: Wood Mackenzie; 1.GVA refers to the lifetime                                                                      
     impact on Alaska's GDP                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:21:20 PM                                                                                                                  
MR. SWIFT  moved to and  narrated slide  14. Slide 14  is titled:                                                               
"Gross Value  Added for Alaska  LNG Phase  1 is estimated  at ~US                                                               
$10.3 billion,  with ~US$ 9.6  billion of direct  economic impact                                                               
from   the   Project's   investment   and   operations   in-state                                                               
expenditure".  The graph  on slide  14  represents the  following                                                               
points:                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
•    Approximately $6 billion  dollars in Capex will  be spent in                                                               
     Alaska                                                                                                                     
•    Over the lifetime  of the project Opex  and Gas monetization                                                               
     are expected to increase economic activity by approximately                                                                
     $3.7 billion.                                                                                                              
•    Direct and inducing state benefits  are expected to add $700                                                               
     billion.                                                                                                                   
•    The total addition to Alaska  Gross Value from these impacts                                                               
     is projected to be $10,335 billion.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:22:39 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWIFT  moved to and  narrated slide 15.  A graph on  slide 15                                                               
illustrates the " Total Economic  Impact Estimated for Alaska LNG                                                               
Phase 1".                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        With potential implied savings (compared to LNG                                                                       
     imports) economic benefits to the state add up to ~US$                                                                   
     16.6 Bn                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     •    Gas via pipeline has additional economic benefits                                                                     
          over the long term.                                                                                                   
        • Lifetime savings from the baseload supplied via                                                                       
          Pipeline, compared to LNG add up to ~US$ 5.7                                                                          
          billion                                                                                                               
        • Savings going back into the economy would also                                                                        
          generate indirect and induced impact.                                                                                 
        • The pipeline provides potential upside for gas                                                                        
          demand and industrial activity                                                                                        
        • Overall potential impact to the state of Alaska                                                                       
          is estimated at ~ US$16.5 billion or 2.8x in-                                                                         
          state capex                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:23:41 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  GIESSEL noted  that  when the  first  Alaska pipeline  was                                                               
built,  there  were  significant   social  costs.  She  said  the                                                               
workforce was  imported and  the workforce  for the  proposed LNG                                                               
pipeline would also require imported  workers because Alaska does                                                               
not possess  the required  skill set  in the  proposed timeframe.                                                               
She  said the  wages would  be  exported and  the social  impacts                                                               
would include housing  requirements, food supply, transportation,                                                               
etc. She  asked how those  considerations were factored  into WMs                                                               
project model.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:24:37 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWIFT said the impact of  social costs on Alaska were divided                                                               
in two  phases, the construction  phase and operations  phase. He                                                               
acknowledged that  only 60 percent  of the jobs are  projected by                                                               
the  model to  originate  in  Alaska, with  people  who have  the                                                               
required  expertise coming  to Alaska.  He  said the  operational                                                               
phase will offer more stable long-term employment opportunities.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:25:55 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL opined that 60 percent was a very high estimate.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:26:20 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWIFT  moved to  and briefly narrated  slide 16  which states                                                               
"The impact in jobs created from  Alaska LNG Phase 1 is 4x larger                                                               
than the LNG imports alternative  mainly due to a larger in-State                                                               
construction scope."  Slide 16  contains two  graphs illustrating                                                               
the expected impacts to the job market in Alaska for the                                                                        
construction phase and operations phase of LNG Imports compared                                                                 
with Alaska LNG - Phase 1.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:26:41 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWIFT moved to and narrated slide 17, addressing the                                                                        
difference to Fairbanks that access to the pipeline and gas                                                                     
could make.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     The substitution  of wood/oil for gas  in Fairbanks for                                                                  
     its energy  needs offers a  range of  benefits: cleaner                                                                  
     air, lower emissions,  removal from EPA's nonattainment                                                                  
     designation, etc.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                          Cleaner air                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Local   emissions   from   wood  stoves   and   burning                                                                    
     distillate oil contribute to particulate pollution                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     With  access  to  gas, a  cleaner  alternative  becomes                                                                    
     available to improve air quality                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                EPA's nonattainment designation                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     A  portion   of  the  Fairbanks  North   Star  Borough,                                                                    
     including the  City of Fairbanks,  was designated  as a                                                                    
     PM2.5 Nonattainment Area in December 2009.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     By  removing the  designation, administrative  expenses                                                                    
     are reduced  as the implementation plans  to attain and                                                                    
     maintain   air  pollutant   emissions  are   no  longer                                                                    
     required.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                             Health                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Air pollution has direct consequences in public health                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     By reducing  air pollution, public health  expenses may                                                                    
     also decrease                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
           Potential access to grants and investment                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     EPA's  nonattainment  designation   may  limit  private                                                                    
     and/or public investment in the region                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
        Source: Wood Mackenzie and Alaska Department of                                                                         
     Environmental Conservation                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:27:50 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  GIESSEL asked  how  much the  pipeline  off-take to  allow                                                               
delivery to Fairbanks would cost.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:28:04 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  SWIFT deferred  to  Alaska  Gasline Development  Corporation                                                               
(AGDC).                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:28:15 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MYERS  referred  to  slide  18  and  asked  whether  the                                                               
baseload  case  at  $12.80  included a  potential  tariff  for  a                                                               
Fairbanks) spur line and the  Capex for expanding the natural gas                                                               
network in the Fairbanks area.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:28:41 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWIFT said  $12.80 was the cost of delivered  gas to the spur                                                               
line. He said there would have to  be an extra tariff to move gas                                                               
from the main pipeline to the spur line and to Fairbanks.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:29:01 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL  said slide  17 and  18 were  not relevant  to WM's                                                               
estimate because of the costs that were not taken into account.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:29:16 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  SWIFT  agreed and  said  the  costs  that WM  accounted  for                                                               
related to the Anchorage region and not to Fairbanks.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:29:55 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  GIESSEL noted  WM's model  did not  take into  account the                                                               
Capex for  expanding the gas  infrastructure in Fairbanks  or the                                                               
tariff for  the off-take. She  suggested, therefore,  that slides                                                               
17 and 18 were not relevant to the study.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:30:25 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWIFT  moved to  slide 18,  however the  telephone connection                                                               
became   significantly  unstable   and  difficult/impossible   to                                                               
discern.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:32:04 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL  noted the disruption  to the transmission  was too                                                               
significant to continue.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:32:14 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:32:23 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL reconvened the meeting.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:32:34 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWIFT attempted to move to slide 19, however the connection                                                                 
could not be re-established.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:33:00 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL concluded the presentation, guiding the committee                                                                 
to read through the summary slide, slide 19.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Gas  supply via  pipeline  provides over  ~US$10 Bn  of                                                                  
     positive economic impact, 2 -  4x more jobs, and access                                                                  
     to  lower delivered  costs vs  LNG  imports, though  it                                                                  
     requires higher capex Cook Inlet  gas  supply  has declined,  and  despite                                                                  
        exploration efforts by operators, no new volumes                                                                      
        have been discovered                                                                                                  
     •  Lack of  reliable and  affordable  gas supply  drove                                                                    
        decline in demand,  however going forward  supply is                                                                
        expected to  drop faster  creating a  demand gap  of                                                                
        ~2.3 tcf (to 2071) projected to begin  by the end of                                                                  
        this decade                                                                                                             
     •  With  Cook  Inlet  gas  production   proving  to  be                                                                    
        challenging, there are two main alternatives to                                                                       
        address the forecasted supply & demand gap:                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                Natural Gas Supply via Pipeline                                                                               
        A 765 mile (Phase 1), 42-inch diameter pipeline                                                                         
       connecting the Southcentral Alaska region with the                                                                       
                       North Slope fields                                                                                       
     • Cost of delivered gas in the US$2.23  $12.8/mmbtu                                                                      
     • Direct, indirect and induced GVA: ~US$ 10.3 Bn                                                                         
                  12,271 jobs created  during construction and 1,138 in                                                                
        operations                                                                                                            
     •                                                                                                                          
                              3                                                                                                 
       Time to first gas 2031                                                                                                   
     •  Provides access  to  upside  demand with  additional                                                                  
        industrial and economic benefits to the state                                                                           
     •  Reducing   emissions   and   removal    from   EPA's                                                                
        nonattainment in Fairbanks via substitution of oil &                                                                
        wood as primary energy source                                                                                           
     • Higher likelihood of full Alaska LNG Project                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                          LNG Imports                                                                                         
        Gas imports via LNG, for which regas and further                                                                        
             downstream infrastructure is required                                                                              
     •  Cost of delivered gas  in the US$10.2    $13.7/mmbtu                                                                  
        (plus onshore costs)                                                                                                  
     •  Lower capex & lower direct, indirect and induced GVA                                                                    
                                   1                                                                                          
        ~US$0.6  1.4 Bn ? 568 jobs during construction and                                                                  
        250 in operations                                                                                                       
                              2                                                                                                 
     •  3-4  Years  post   FID,   though  no   major  permit                                                                    
        applications have been submitted. Permitting and/or                                                                     
        required buildout could delay first gas                                                                                 
     • Focused supply for the Southcentral region                                                                               
     • No Fairbanks or additional industrial demand                                                                             
     • Exposure to higher price volatility for energy needs                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Source:  Wood   Mackenzie;  1.  Direct,   indirect  and                                                                    
     induced  jobs,  average per  year  of  each period;  2.                                                                    
     First  gas for  LNG imports  is dependent  on receiving                                                                    
     all required  permits, and Wood Mackenzie  is uncertain                                                                    
     about the  status of those.  Additionally, as  of March                                                                    
     2024,   Enstar's  (local   gas  distributor)   earliest                                                                    
     estimation  of  first gas  is  2029.  3. The  AGDC  has                                                                    
     indicated that  the pipeline has  all major  permits in                                                                    
     place                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION(S): ALASKA GASLINE DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION REPORT                                                                 
 PRESENTATION(S): ALASKA GASLINE DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION REPORT                                                             
                                                                                                                              
4:33:17 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   GIESSEL  announced   the  presentation,   Alaska  Gasline                                                               
Development Corporation, by Frank Richards.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:33:46 PM                                                                                                                    
FRANK   RICHARDS,    President,   Alaska    Gasline   Development                                                               
Corporation  (AGDC), Anchorage,  Alaska, said  he was  pleased to                                                               
present  this  progress  update  for   the  AK  LNG  project.  He                                                               
reiterated the  Wood MacKenzie  assertion that  AK LNG  Phase One                                                               
pipeline  would be  able  to deliver  long-term  energy needs  to                                                               
Alaskans  and  set the  stage  for  future economic  growth  from                                                               
exports.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:34:20 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. RICHARDS moved to and narrated slide 2.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
AGDC                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     The Alaska Gasline Development Corporation (AGDC)                                                                        
      • Independent, public corporation owned by the State                                                                      
        of Alaska (SOA)                                                                                                         
     • Created by the Alaska State Legislature                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Mission                                                                                                                  
      • Maximize the benefit of Alaska's vast North Slope                                                                       
        natural gas resources through the development of                                                                        
        infrastructure necessary to move the gas to local                                                                       
        and international markets                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Current Owner and Developer of the Alaska LNG Project                                                                    
       • Transitioning project to private ownership under                                                                       
        qualified developers                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:34:53 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. RICHARDS moved to and narrated slide 3. Slide 3 includes a                                                                  
map of Alaska and illustrates the proposed path of the AK LNG                                                                   
pipeline.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska LNG Overview                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     North Slope Gas Supply                                                                                                   
     • 40 Tcf of gas reserves in PBU and PTU                                                                                    
       • 122 Tcf of total "Proved Producing Reserves" in                                                                        
        Alaska*                                                                                                                 
     • Early Supply from Great Bear Pantheon                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Arctic Carbon Capture (ACC)                                                                                              
     • Adjacent to existing PBU gas plants, will remove and                                                                     
        sequester CO 2 from raw gas stream and condition gas                                                                    
        to LNG specifications                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Natural Gas Pipeline                                                                                                     
        • 807-mile pipeline from Prudhoe Bay to Nikiski,                                                                        
        follows existing oil pipeline and highway system,                                                                       
        with gas delivered to Alaska communities and the LNG                                                                    
        plant                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska LNG Facility                                                                                                      
       • 20-MTPA LNG facility located in Nikiski near the                                                                       
        legacy Kenai LNG Plant                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     *https://www.eia.gov/naturalgas/crudeoilreserves/pdf/T                                                                     
     able_8.pdf                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:35:26 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  RICHARDS said  the foundation  of the  AK LNG  plan was  the                                                               
forty trillion  cubic feet  of proven  [natural gas]  reserves in                                                               
Prudhoe Bay  and Point Thompson  with an additional  122 trillion                                                               
cubic feet of proven producing  reserves in Alaska as reported by                                                               
the  energy information  office. He  said this  does not  include                                                               
Great Bear Pantheon's assets.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:35:58 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. RICHARDS  moved to and  narrated slide  4. He said  Phase One                                                               
includes  just  the  mainline  pipe   from  the  North  Slope  to                                                               
Southcentral  Alaska with  the off-take  for  Fairbanks to  allow                                                               
utilization  of existing  gas resources  and  provide the  lowest                                                               
cost gas  to Alaskans at  the lowest possible cost.  The pipeline                                                               
would be the full 42 inch  diameter pipe permitted through the AK                                                               
LNG  project. He  said the  concept for  the AK  LNG project  was                                                               
based on  using the  Great Bear Pantheon  produced gas.  He noted                                                               
the carbon dioxide  (CO2) content of Great bear  Pantheon gas was                                                               
less that  0.5 percent  as opposed  to gas  from Prudhoe  Bay and                                                               
Point  Thompson  which  had  significantly  higher  CO2  content,                                                               
requiring treatment  to achieve  pipeline quality.  He emphasized                                                               
that the AK  LNG project has been fully  permitted and integrated                                                               
through   the   Federal   Energy   Regulatory   Commission,   and                                                               
Environmental Impact review and other federal authorizations.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Phase 1 of Alaska LNG                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska LNG is a fully permitted integrated LNG export,                                                                 
     pipeline, and gas treatment project                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
       Phase 1 is the pre-build of the pipeline from the                                                                      
     North Slope of Alaska to Southcentral Alaska                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
         Phase 2 is the construction of North Slope gas                                                                       
     treatment and LNG export facilities                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
       By phasing Alaska LNG, Alaska can utilize existing                                                                       
        permits to quickly provide gas for Alaskans and                                                                         
     provide  infrastructure  for  future  LNG  exports  and                                                                    
     industrial use                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:37:17 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. RICHARDS  moved to and  narrated slide  5. He said  AGDC came                                                               
before  the  Alaska  legislature  in   2024  to  talk  about  the                                                               
potential  of the  AK LNG  Phase One  project and  that it  would                                                               
require a  major pipeline company  to come in and  execute front-                                                               
end engineering  and design, including cost  estimates, execution                                                               
plans,  and  labor  studies  to  be sure  the  project  could  be                                                               
developed economically.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     2024 Legislative Intent Language                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     "It is  the intent of  the legislature that  the Alaska                                                                    
     Gasline  Development   Corporation  continue   to  work                                                                    
     towards meeting  the critical energy needs  of Alaskans                                                                    
     by advancing  a pipeline  project proposal  which would                                                                    
     deliver North Slope natural  gas to Alaska's utilities,                                                                    
     businesses, and  homeowners. Further, it is  the intent                                                                    
     of the legislature that  the Alaska Gasline Development                                                                    
     Corporation complete an  independent third-party review                                                                    
     of a  project proposal  that would  commercialize North                                                                    
     Slope gas and present  that analysis to the legislature                                                                    
     by December 20,  2024. It is the further  intent of the                                                                  
     legislature that if analysis  shows a positive economic                                                                  
     value  to  the state,  all  parties  would work  toward                                                                  
     Front  End Engineering  and  Design for  Phase  1 of  a                                                                  
     pipeline project."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     At  the  direction  of  the  Alaska  Legislature,  Wood                                                                    
     Mackenzie  was contracted  to  complete an  independent                                                                    
     third-party  economic  assessment  of  the  Alaska  LNG                                                                    
     Phase 1 Pipeline.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     The  analysis shows  a positive  economic value  to the                                                                    
     state.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:38:19 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS asked why AGDC  was requesting $50 million backstop                                                               
funding from  Alaska Industrial Development and  Export Authority                                                               
(AIDEA)  or  the   state  directly  if  the   economics  look  so                                                               
promising.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:38:32 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  RICHARDS said  the  $50 million  backstop  was initiated  by                                                               
North American  Pipeline Services to advance  the entire pipeline                                                               
project,  including  compressor  stations   and  the  Cook  Inlet                                                               
crossing.  He said  the pipeline  company  wanted assurance  that                                                               
they would  be reimbursed  for their  engineering efforts  if the                                                               
project  does not  proceed  to a  final  investment decision.  He                                                               
explained  that the  pipeline company  would execute  preliminary                                                               
work, contract  with engineers and construction  contractors, and                                                               
obtain cost estimates  from pipe mills at their  expense. He said                                                               
the state of  Alaska would then decide whether to  proceed with a                                                               
final investment decision. If the  project moves forward, the $50                                                               
million will be returned to either  AIDEA or the state of Alaska.                                                               
If the  project does  not proceed, the  backstop would  cover the                                                               
pipeline company's  costs. He  said this  approach was  common in                                                               
the  pipeline   industry,  ensuring  that  companies   have  cost                                                               
recovery assurance before proceeding with major projects.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:40:25 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS  asked who normally provides  that backstop funding                                                               
according to industry standard.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:40:36 PM                                                                                                                    
MATT KISSINGER,  Senior Principal, New Business  Ventures, Alaska                                                               
Gasline  Development   Corporation  (AGDC),   Anchorage,  Alaska,                                                               
explained  that it  was standard  practice in  major oil  and gas                                                               
projects for the project sponsor  to provide financial backing, a                                                               
"backstop," to the pipeline company.  He said this helps keep the                                                               
cost  of equity  low for  the pipeline  company, which  typically                                                               
seeks low-risk, low-return investments  to manage the high binary                                                               
risk  associated  with  development  phases. The  state,  as  the                                                               
project sponsor, would assume the higher cost of capital.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:41:35 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  CLAMAN said,  in  the more  traditional  gas market,  it                                                               
would  be the  party that  owns  the gas,  in this  case the  oil                                                               
companies, who  would be  the ones fronting  the $50  million for                                                               
the pipeline. He  said it would be the oil  companies selling the                                                               
gas, it wouldn't  be the local state that might  benefit from the                                                               
gas for its  residents to get the  gas, it would be  the owner of                                                               
the resource.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:42:12 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. KISSINGER said  that, in some cases it would  be the upstream                                                               
parties,  but in  a  lot  of cases  it  would  be the  downstream                                                               
parties that would  provide that support. In this  case, he said,                                                               
the  downstream parties  who would  benefit from  the first  $200                                                               
million are ultimately the residents of Alaska.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:42:30 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN  said, in the  traditional model, it would  be the                                                               
utilities who  would be providing  the money for  development and                                                               
later selling the gas to their  customers. He said it wouldn't be                                                               
the customers putting up the money for development.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:42:53 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  KISSINGER said  it was  often the  utility company.  He also                                                               
said when  an owner-state  or country  was involved,  the country                                                               
would  [provide  the backstop  funding].  He  offered to  provide                                                               
examples for the committee.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:43:08 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  CLAMAN  asked  whether  it was  correct  that  the  Wood                                                               
MacKenzie study was funded by AGDC.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:43:21 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. RICHARDS  said it  was the governor's  office who  funded the                                                               
Wood MacKenzie study.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:43:27 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  CLAMAN  asked whether  the  details  of the  study  were                                                               
arranged by AGDC.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:43:31 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. RICHARDS said  the intent and desire for  [the Wood MacKenzie                                                               
study]  came  from  a  meeting   with  senate  leadership,  house                                                               
leadership  and  co-chairs  of the  finance  committees  of  both                                                               
bodies  with the  governor.  He  said it  was  at  that time  the                                                               
governor  said  he would  be  willing  to  fund the  third  party                                                               
independent analysis by an outside consultant.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:43:57 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  CLAMAN   asked  whether   AGDC  coordinated   [with  the                                                               
governor's office]  to determine  what questions  to ask  and how                                                               
the questions would be answered.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:44:10 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. RICHARDS  said AGDC contracted  with Wood MacKenzie  (WM) and                                                               
gave them  the broad  scope of the  economic evaluation  based on                                                               
the intent language provided by the legislature.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:44:24 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  CLAMAN sought  to  clarify his  question.  He noted  the                                                               
number of questions asked during  this presentation that were not                                                               
answered or addressed by the WM  study. He said the difference in                                                               
cost for the  AK LNG project, $40 billion vs.  $11 billion, was a                                                               
wide gulf and it seems like a  lot of cost factors were not built                                                               
in to  the questions that were  asked in the contract  [with WM].                                                               
He  said the  WM  doesn't  really help  very  much because  there                                                               
appear to be a lot of costs that aren't factored in.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:45:28 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  RICHARDS said  the  intent  was to  provide  answers to  the                                                               
questions around  Phase One of  the AK LNG  project, specifically                                                               
looking at the pipeline to deliver  gas for Alaskans. He said the                                                               
study could have been expanded to  include the entirety of the AK                                                               
LNG project, but that  was not the goal. He said  the goal was to                                                               
develop a  pipeline project designed  to meet Alaskans'  needs as                                                               
opposed to  looking at the  cost of importing LNG  and ultimately                                                               
looking to  see whether [AK  LNG - Phase  One] was going  to have                                                               
good economic value to the state of Alaska.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:46:09 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  RICHARDS said  WM assessed  the overall  AK LNG  project for                                                               
AGDC  in  2021-2022.   They  calculated  a  cost   of  supply  of                                                               
approximately   $6.75  per   unit,  which   included  extraction,                                                               
treatment, pipeline,  liquefaction, and  shipping costs.  He said                                                               
this cost compared favorably to  market rates in the Japan Korean                                                               
market  (JKM) and  against oil-linked  contracts  and Henry  Hub,                                                               
suggesting that the  AK LNG project would  be commercially viable                                                               
and cost-competitive. He  reiterated that the goal  was to ensure                                                               
the project  met Alaska's  needs and  provided economic  value to                                                               
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:47:33 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS  asked whether AGDC  consulted with  the downstream                                                               
utilities and what their position toward the AK LNG project was.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:47:49 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. RICHARDS  said AGDC  consulted the  utilities with  regard to                                                               
their  need  for a  steady  supply  [of  gas]. AGDC  offered  the                                                               
components  of the  AK LNG  project  that would  help meet  their                                                               
needs. He  said the utilities are  rate-based and for them  to go                                                               
on record and hold  a $50 million chit was going  to be more than                                                               
they could afford.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:48:38 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  GIESSEL noted  that  the goal  of the  [WM]  study was  to                                                               
determine the  cost of getting  gas to  Alaskans, yet it  did not                                                               
include  the cost  of getting  gas  to Fairbanks.  She noted  the                                                               
extra steps  required between Nikiski and  Fairbanks and proposed                                                               
that the project as described wouldn't help Fairbanks.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:49:12 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. RICHARDS  said the  legislature directed  AGDC to  develop an                                                               
in-state pipeline with a lateral  into Fairbanks under the Alaska                                                               
standalone pipeline  project. He said after  completing front-end                                                               
engineering design and  securing rights of way  and permits, AGDC                                                               
is ready to proceed.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS explained that the  AK LNG project was different. It                                                               
included  the off-take,  but not  the lateral  [pipeline section]                                                               
leading into  Fairbanks. He said  there would be an  updated cost                                                               
estimate for  about 32 miles of  pipe leading to a  location near                                                               
the  university called  city gate.  He  said it  was assumed  the                                                               
Fairbanks  utility would  then take  on the  distribution of  the                                                               
natural  gas from  city gate  to the  residents of  the Fairbanks                                                               
North Star Borough.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:50:23 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL noted  that she was present when  AGDC provided the                                                               
in-state pipeline numbers.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:50:30 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR  sought to focus  on the $50 million  backstop. He                                                               
asked for clarification  about what would happen  to those funds.                                                               
He  asked  whether  there  was  a  possibility  that  AGDC  would                                                               
approach the  legislature asking  additional funds in  the future                                                               
to prevent  losing the initial  $50 million backstop and  get the                                                               
project to a final investment decision (FID).                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:51:21 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. RICHARDS said  Genfarne would serve as the  lead developer in                                                               
the Alaska  LNG project with  an estimated capital  commitment of                                                               
$150  million.  Prior  to  Glenfarnes  commitment,  Mr.  Richards                                                               
approached the  legislature [in  2024] to  request a  $50 million                                                               
backstop.  He explained  that  AGDC had  yet  to sign  definiteve                                                               
agreements [with Glenfarne] and  intended to meet the legislative                                                               
directive  to  secure  gas  for Alaskans.  He  said  it  appeared                                                               
Glenfarne's  participation would  add value  and lower  costs for                                                               
Alaska and  ADGC was working with  [Alaska Industrial Development                                                               
and   Export  Authority]   (AIDEA)  on   a  development   finance                                                               
agreement.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:53:02 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DUNBAR asked  whether Glenfarne  would  be bringing  the                                                               
mentioned $150  million investment or  if the state  was expected                                                               
to pay that to Glenfarne.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:53:12 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  RICHARDS said  it would  be the  developers who  would bring                                                               
that  money  to  the  table.  The  commercial  negotiations  AGDC                                                               
entered into  were in  recognition of  the tremendous  wealth and                                                               
resources Alaska  has put into  moving [an LNG  pipeline project]                                                               
forward. He  said AGDC developed  the project and is  prepared to                                                               
move forward  with the state of  Alaska as a minority  owner. The                                                               
next phase of work is to be covered by the developers.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:53:58 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI noted  that  in prior  AGDC board  meetings                                                               
Goldman  Sachs   was  reported  to   be  vetting   private  party                                                               
candidates for  the [pipeline] project. He  asked whether Goldman                                                               
Sachs recommended Glenfarne as a preferred candidate.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:54:17 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. RICHARDS  said Goldman  Sachs worked with  AGDC for  a couple                                                               
years  and introduced  them  to  potential development  partners,                                                               
financiers and  international oil  companies. AGDC also  went out                                                               
independently  and  engaged  with   other  parties  who  had  the                                                               
wherewithal,  the interest  and the  balance sheets  to move  the                                                               
project forward. He  said AGDC was first  introduced to Glenfarne                                                               
under their own volition.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:54:55 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  asked whether AGDC  ascertained Glenfarne's                                                               
source of funds.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:55:01 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  RICHARDS   said  due  diligence   had  been  done   and  was                                                               
continuing.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:55:11 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  asked whether  the AGDC board  of directors                                                               
approved the selection of Glenfarne for exclusive negotiations.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:55:17 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. RICHARDS said AGDC informed  the board of directors that they                                                               
were  engaged in  negotiations  with Glenfarne  via  a letter  of                                                               
intent. He  said the  decision whether to  accept Glenfarne  as a                                                               
partner will ultimately be made by the AGDC board of directors.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:55:34 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  said he interpreted  that answer as  a "no"                                                               
and asked  whether the  AGDC board of  directors approved  of the                                                               
execution  of  the  Glenfarne exclusivity  contract  and  whether                                                               
there was a resolution to that effect.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:55:44 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. RICHARDS said the AGDC was informed.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  pressed, asking whether the  board approved                                                               
this.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:55:51 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  RICHARDS said  there was  not  a resolution  from the  board                                                               
directing AGDC to sign the letter of intent.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:56:02 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  noted that statute stipulates  the attorney                                                               
general  acts as  legal counsel  for AGDC.  He asked  whether the                                                               
attorney general  prepared, reviewed or approved  the exclusivity                                                               
agreement with Glenfarne.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:56:13 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  RICHARDS said  AGDC engaged  with the  attorney general  and                                                               
with outside counsel on the letter of intent.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:56:26 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  asked whether  Glenfarne had  developed any                                                               
large pipelines or completed any United States LNG projects.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:56:34 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. RICHARDS said  Glenfarne owns pipelines in  South America, an                                                               
LNG import facility, and they  currently own two projects, one in                                                               
Texas and one in Louisiana that are yet to go to construction.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:56:48 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  noted that Glenfarne acquired  ownership in                                                               
two stalled LNG projects and had  yet to advance them to closure.                                                               
He  asked whether  these  projects would  be  competing with  the                                                               
Alaska LNG project.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:56:59 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  RICHARDS said  the Texas  LNG project  was fully  subscribed                                                               
with by  off-take from large  U.S. natural gas developers  and by                                                               
utilities in  Europe. He  said all  of the  contracts will  be to                                                               
supply LNG  to the utilities  in the  European basin, not  to the                                                               
Asia-Pacific.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:57:27 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  asked whether Glenfarne had  indicated that                                                               
were willing to put the Alaska  project as their top priority for                                                               
development.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:57:41 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. RICHARDS affirmed that it had.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:57:46 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI   noted  the  statute  stipulated   that  a                                                               
contract   negotiated  under   Alaska   law   must  include   the                                                               
requirement that  the state shall  have access to  data developed                                                               
under the  agreement on the  same or substantially  similar terms                                                               
applicable  to any  other  party  in a  north  slope natural  gas                                                               
project. He  asked whether the Glenfarne  agreement included such                                                               
a provision.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:58:07 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. RICHARDS  said he did  not recall that specific  language, so                                                               
he would have to go back and look at the contract.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:58:18 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  whether  any  Alaska companies  were                                                               
considered to  lead the project  and, if  so, were they  given an                                                               
opportunity to submit a proposal.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:58:24 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. RICHARDS  said AGDC  had been out  marketing the  LNG project                                                               
for a number of years  and had received some proposals, including                                                               
one  from   an  Alaska  group.  He   said  it  fell  back   to  a                                                               
determination of  whether they qualified  financially or  had the                                                               
financial capabilities to execute the project.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:58:44 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked how this group fell short.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:58:53 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  RICHARDS  asked  whether  there was  a  specific  group  the                                                               
senator was asking about.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI said  Mr. Richards  said there  was another                                                               
group. He asked who the other group was and how they fell short.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:59:03 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. RICHARDS  said AGDC was  approached by a group  that included                                                               
former governor  Walker, former AGDC  president Keith  Meyer, and                                                               
others who proposed  partnering with AGDC. He  said the challenge                                                               
was that the funding available to them was a commitment to AGDC.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:59:47 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI said there  was apparently funding available                                                               
and  asked what  the problem  with a  funding commitment  to AGDC                                                               
presented.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:59:59 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. RICHARDS said there was  not sufficient funding available. He                                                               
said  the funding  available  was single  digits  of millions  of                                                               
dollars, not hundreds of millions.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
5:00:21 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  whether Glenfarne  had more  funding                                                               
available.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS affirmed that Glenfarne had more funding available.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked how much.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:00:35 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  KISSINGER  explained  that AGDC  was  under  confidentiality                                                               
agreement  constraints and  could not  provide the  exact amount,                                                               
however he confirmed  that Glenfarne has sufficient  cash on hand                                                               
to meet  the commitment they  are making  to take the  project to                                                               
[final investment decision] (FID).                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
5:01:00 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  asked how  much it would  cost to  take the                                                               
[AK LNG] project to FID.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
5:01:05 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. KISSINGER said AGDC's estimate was $150 million.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:01:19 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  GIESSEL noted  comments about  Alaska's investment  in the                                                               
LNG  pipeline   and  said   it  was   estimated  the   state  had                                                               
appropriated approximately  $650 million  dollars to  advance the                                                               
project so far.  She noted that did not include  the decade and a                                                               
half of staffing AGDC.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
5:02:16 PM                                                                                                                    
There being  no further  business to  come before  the committee,                                                               
Chair Giessel  adjourned the Senate Resources  Standing Committee                                                               
meeting at 5:02p.m.