Legislature(2021 - 2022)BUTROVICH 205

04/20/2022 03:30 PM Senate RESOURCES

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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+= SB 180 PASSENGER VESSEL ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLIANCE TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSSB 180(RES) Out of Committee
<Bill Hearing Rescheduled from 04/18/22>
+= SB 177 MICROREACTORS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSSB 177(RES) Out of Committee
+= HB 54 INVASIVE SPECIES MANAGEMENT TELECONFERENCED
Moved SCS CSHB 54(RES) Out of Committee
<Bill Hearing Rescheduled from 04/18/22>
+= SB 219 TRANSFER PERSONAL USE CABIN PERMITS TELECONFERENCED
Moved SB 219 Out of Committee
<Bill Hearing Rescheduled from 04/18/22>
+= SB 227 STATE OWNERSHIP OF SUBMERGED LAND TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
<Bill Hearing Rescheduled from 04/18/22>
+= SB 228 OUTSTANDING NAT'L RESOURCE WATER TELECONFERENCED
Moved SB 228 Out of Committee
+= HCR 2 SUPPORTING ALASKA OCEAN CLUSTER TELECONFERENCED
Moved HCR 2 Out of Committee
+ Alaska Fisheries Presentation TELECONFERENCED
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
**Streamed live on AKL.tv**
                                                                                                                              
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         April 20, 2022                                                                                         
                           3:34 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                             DRAFT                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Joshua Revak, Chair                                                                                                     
Senator Peter Micciche, Vice Chair                                                                                              
Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                            
Senator Gary Stevens                                                                                                            
Senator Natasha von Imhof                                                                                                       
Senator Jesse Kiehl                                                                                                             
Senator Scott Kawasaki                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Geran Tarr                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 180                                                                                                             
"An  Act relating  to commercial  passenger vessel  environmental                                                               
compliance;  relating   to  commercial  passenger   vessel  fees;                                                               
establishing the wastewater  infrastructure grant fund; repealing                                                               
the  authority   for  citizens'  suits  relating   to  commercial                                                               
passenger   vessel   environmental  compliance;   repealing   the                                                               
commercial  passenger vessel  recognition program;  and providing                                                               
for an effective date."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSSB 180(RES) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 177                                                                                                             
"An Act relating to microreactors."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSSB 177(RES) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 219                                                                                                             
"An Act providing for the transfer  of and addition of names to a                                                               
personal  use  cabin  permit  for  a cabin  on  state  land;  and                                                               
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED SB 219 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 227                                                                                                             
"An Act relating to state  ownership of submerged land within and                                                               
adjacent to federal areas; and providing for an effective date."                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 228                                                                                                             
"An  Act  requiring  the   designation  of  outstanding  national                                                               
resource  water  to  occur  only  by  statute;  relating  to  the                                                               
management  of   outstanding  national  resource  water   by  the                                                               
Department of  Environmental Conservation;  and providing  for an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED SB 228 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION NO. 2                                                                                               
Supporting the Alaska Ocean Cluster  in its mission, efforts, and                                                               
vision for a vibrant coastal  economy in the state, its promotion                                                               
of a diversified  and resilient state economy  that creates value                                                               
from ocean resources, and its  building of a statewide integrated                                                               
ecosystem  of innovation  and  entrepreneurship  relating to  the                                                               
state's ocean economy.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HCR 2 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 54(FIN)                                                                                 
"An Act establishing  the Alaska Invasive Species  Council in the                                                               
Department of Fish  and Game; relating to  management of invasive                                                               
species;  relating to  invasive  species  management decals;  and                                                               
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED SCS CSHB 54(RES) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 180                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: PASSENGER VESSEL ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLIANCE                                                                          
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
02/04/22       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/04/22       (S)       RES, FIN                                                                                               
02/14/22       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
02/14/22       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/14/22       (S)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
03/18/22       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
03/18/22       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/18/22       (S)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
04/13/22       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
04/13/22       (S)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
04/18/22       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
04/18/22       (S)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
04/20/22       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 177                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: MICROREACTORS                                                                                                      
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
02/01/22       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/01/22       (S)       CRA, RES                                                                                               
02/15/22       (S)       CRA AT 3:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
02/15/22       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/15/22       (S)       MINUTE(CRA)                                                                                            
02/17/22       (S)       CRA AT 3:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
02/17/22       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/17/22       (S)       MINUTE(CRA)                                                                                            
03/08/22       (S)       CRA AT 3:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
03/08/22       (S)       Moved SB 177 Out of Committee                                                                          
03/08/22       (S)       MINUTE(CRA)                                                                                            
03/09/22       (S)       CRA RPT  1DP 3NR                                                                                       
03/09/22       (S)       DP: HUGHES                                                                                             
03/09/22       (S)       NR: GRAY-JACKSON, MYERS, WILSON                                                                        
03/21/22       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
03/21/22       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/21/22       (S)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
04/06/22       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
04/06/22       (S)       <Bill Hearing Rescheduled to 4/8/22>                                                                   
04/08/22       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
04/08/22       (S)       <Bill Hearing Canceled>                                                                                
04/11/22       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
04/11/22       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
04/11/22       (S)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
04/20/22       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 219                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: TRANSFER PERSONAL USE CABIN PERMITS                                                                                
SPONSOR(s): MICCICHE                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
02/22/22       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/22/22       (S)       RES                                                                                                    
03/14/22       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
03/14/22       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/14/22       (S)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
04/13/22       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
04/13/22       (S)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
04/18/22       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
04/18/22       (S)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
04/20/22       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 227                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: STATE OWNERSHIP OF SUBMERGED LAND                                                                                  
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
03/11/22       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/11/22       (S)       RES                                                                                                    
04/08/22       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
04/08/22       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
04/08/22       (S)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
04/15/22       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
04/15/22       (S)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
04/18/22       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
04/18/22       (S)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
04/20/22       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 228                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: OUTSTANDING NAT'L RESOURCE WATER                                                                                   
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
03/11/22       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/11/22       (S)       RES                                                                                                    
04/06/22       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
04/06/22       (S)       Scheduled but Not Heard                                                                                
04/08/22       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
04/08/22       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
04/08/22       (S)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
04/15/22       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
04/15/22       (S)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
04/20/22       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HCR  2                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: SUPPORTING ALASKA OCEAN CLUSTER                                                                                    
SPONSOR(s): STUTES                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
02/18/21       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/18/21       (H)       FSH, RES                                                                                               
04/08/21       (H)       FSH AT 10:00 AM GRUENBERG 120                                                                          
04/08/21       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
04/08/21       (H)       MINUTE(FSH)                                                                                            
04/13/21       (H)       FSH AT 10:00 AM GRUENBERG 120                                                                          
04/13/21       (H)       Moved HCR 2 Out of Committee                                                                           
04/13/21       (H)       MINUTE(FSH)                                                                                            
04/14/21       (H)       FSH RPT 4DP 2NR                                                                                        
04/14/21       (H)       DP: STORY, KREISS-TOMKINS, ORTIZ, TARR                                                                 
04/14/21       (H)       NR: MCCABE, VANCE                                                                                      
05/03/21       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
05/03/21       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
05/03/21       (H)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
05/05/21       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
05/05/21       (H)       Moved HCR 2 Out of Committee                                                                           
05/05/21       (H)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
05/06/21       (H)       RES RPT 3DP 5NR                                                                                        
05/06/21       (H)       DP: FIELDS, HANNAN, SCHRAGE                                                                            
05/06/21       (H)       NR: MCKAY, CRONK, RAUSCHER, GILLHAM,                                                                   
                         PATKOTAK                                                                                               
02/11/22       (H)       TRANSMITTED TO (S)                                                                                     
02/11/22       (H)       VERSION: HCR  2                                                                                        
02/15/22       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/15/22       (S)       RES                                                                                                    
02/21/22       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
02/21/22       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/21/22       (S)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
04/15/22       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
04/15/22       (S)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
04/20/22       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB  54                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: INVASIVE SPECIES MANAGEMENT                                                                                        
SPONSOR(s): FISHERIES                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
02/18/21       (H)       PREFILE RELEASED 1/15/21                                                                               
02/18/21       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/18/21       (H)       RES, FSH                                                                                               
02/24/21       (H)       RES REFERRAL MOVED TO AFTER FSH                                                                        
02/24/21       (H)       BILL REPRINTED                                                                                         
03/11/21       (H)       FSH AT 11:00 AM GRUENBERG 120                                                                          
03/11/21       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/11/21       (H)       MINUTE(FSH)                                                                                            
03/12/21       (H)       BILL REPRINTED                                                                                         
03/18/21       (H)       FSH AT 11:00 AM GRUENBERG 120                                                                          
03/18/21       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/18/21       (H)       MINUTE(FSH)                                                                                            
03/25/21       (H)       FSH AT 10:30 AM GRUENBERG 120                                                                          
03/25/21       (H)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
03/30/21       (H)       FSH AT 10:00 AM GRUENBERG 120                                                                          
03/30/21       (H)       <Bill Hearing Canceled>                                                                                
04/01/21       (H)       FSH AT 10:00 AM GRUENBERG 120                                                                          
04/01/21       (H)       <Bill Hearing Canceled>                                                                                
04/06/21       (H)       FSH AT 10:00 AM GRUENBERG 120                                                                          
04/06/21       (H)       Moved CSHB 54(FSH) Out of Committee                                                                    
04/06/21       (H)       MINUTE(FSH)                                                                                            
04/07/21       (H)       FSH RPT CS(FSH) 7DP                                                                                    
04/07/21       (H)       DP:   KREISS-TOMKINS,   ORTIZ,   MCCABE,                                                               
                         VANCE, STORY, STUTES, TARR                                                                             
04/16/21       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
04/16/21       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
04/16/21       (H)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
04/21/21       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
04/21/21       (H)       Moved CSHB 54(FSH) Out of Committee                                                                    
04/21/21       (H)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
04/22/21       (H)       RES RPT CS(FSH) 3DP 3DNP 3NR                                                                           
04/22/21       (H)       DP: SCHRAGE, HANNAN, FIELDS                                                                            
04/22/21       (H)       DNP: GILLHAM, RAUSCHER, CRONK                                                                          
04/22/21       (H)       NR: MCKAY, HOPKINS, PATKOTAK                                                                           
04/22/21       (H)       FIN REFERRAL ADDED AFTER RES                                                                           
04/22/21       (H)       BILL REPRINTED                                                                                         
05/11/21       (H)       FIN AT 1:30 PM ADAMS 519                                                                               
05/11/21       (H)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
05/18/21       (H)       FIN AT 1:30 PM ADAMS 519                                                                               
05/18/21       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
05/18/21       (H)       MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                            
02/02/22       (H)       FIN AT 9:00 AM ADAMS 519                                                                               
02/02/22       (H)       Moved CSHB 54(FIN) Out of Committee                                                                    
02/02/22       (H)       MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                            
02/04/22       (H)       FIN RPT CS(FIN) 4DP 3NR                                                                                
02/04/22       (H)       DP: ORTIZ, JOSEPHSON, WOOL, FOSTER                                                                     
02/04/22       (H)       NR: EDGMON, THOMPSON, MERRICK                                                                          
02/17/22       (H)       TRANSMITTED TO (S)                                                                                     
02/17/22       (H)       VERSION: CSHB 54(FIN)                                                                                  
02/22/22       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/22/22       (S)       RES, FIN                                                                                               
03/11/22       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
03/11/22       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/11/22       (S)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
04/13/22       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
04/13/22       (S)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
04/18/22       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
04/18/22       (S)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
04/20/22       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
RANDY BATES, Director                                                                                                           
Division of Water                                                                                                               
Department of Environmental Conservation                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions about the Ocean Ranger                                                                   
Program during the discussion of SB 180.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHRISTINA CARPENTER, Director                                                                                                   
Division of Environmental Health                                                                                                
Department of Environmental Conservation                                                                                        
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions during the discussion of                                                                 
SB 177.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
BEN MULLIGAN, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                               
Alaska Department of Fish and Game                                                                                              
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions during the discussion of                                                                 
SB 227.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
JIM WALKER, Public Access Assertion and Defense Section Chief                                                                   
Division of Mining, Land and Water                                                                                              
Department of Natural Resources                                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions during the discussion of                                                                 
SB 227.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
TIM LAMKIN, Staff                                                                                                               
Senator Gary Stevens                                                                                                            
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Reviewed the Explanation of Changes, from                                                                   
Version N to Version D of HB 54.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MIKE WOOD, Chair                                                                                                                
Mat-Su Fish and Wildlife Commission                                                                                             
Matanuska-Susitna Borough                                                                                                       
Chase, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Co-presented a PowerPoint on Alaska                                                                         
Fisheries on the Mat-Su Fish & Wildlife Commission.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PETE PROBASCO, Member                                                                                                           
Mat-Su Fish and Wildlife Commission                                                                                             
Matanuska-Susitna Borough                                                                                                       
Palmer, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION   STATEMENT:  Co-presented   a   PowerPoint  on   Alaska                                                               
Fisheries on the Mat-Su Fish & Wildlife Commission.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:34:59 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  JOSHUA   REVAK  called   the  Senate   Resources  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting  to order at 3:34  p.m. Present at the  call to                                                               
order  were   Senators  Kiehl,  Stevens,  Micciche,   von  Imhof,                                                               
Kawasaki, and Chair Revak. Senator  Bishop arrived as the meeting                                                               
was in progress.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        SB 180-PASSENGER VESSEL ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLIANCE                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:36:51 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK  announced the consideration  of SENATE BILL  NO. 180                                                               
"An  Act relating  to commercial  passenger vessel  environmental                                                               
compliance;  relating   to  commercial  passenger   vessel  fees;                                                               
establishing the wastewater  infrastructure grant fund; repealing                                                               
the  authority   for  citizens'  suits  relating   to  commercial                                                               
passenger   vessel   environmental  compliance;   repealing   the                                                               
commercial  passenger vessel  recognition program;  and providing                                                               
for an effective date."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
[SB 180 was previously heard on 2/14/22 and 3/18/22.]                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:37:02 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK solicited a motion to adopt an amendment.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:37:27 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:38:36 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK reconvened the meeting and solicited a motion.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:38:47 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL  moved  to  adopt  Amendment  1,  work  order  32-                                                               
GS2493\A.3.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                 32-GS2493\A.3                                                                  
                                                      Radford                                                                   
                                                      3/23/22                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                           AMENDENT 1                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
    OFFERED IN THE SENATE                  BY SENATOR KIEHL                                                                     
          TO:  SB 180                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Page 6, line 13:                                                                                                           
           Delete "and"                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Page 6, line 15, following "passengers":                                                                                   
           Insert "; and                                                                                                        
                        (4)  help port communities adapt to                                                                     
                   increased  demand for seasonal wastewater                                                                    
                   treatment   resulting   from   wastewater                                                                    
                   produced  by commercial passenger vessels                                                                    
                   and passengers"                                                                                              
3:38:56 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK objected for discussion purposes.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:39:02 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL explained  that  Amendment 1  would  add a  fourth                                                               
criterion  for  weighting  grant  applications  for  municipality                                                               
wastewater  improvements.  This  would include  consideration  of                                                               
seasonal needs as a result  of impacts to communities from cruise                                                               
ships.  The  bill  currently  contains  requirements  related  to                                                               
public health,  water quality, and environmental  impact, but the                                                               
expense   of   a    wastewater   treatment   facility   increases                                                               
dramatically with  volume. The facility's capacity  must be built                                                               
for the  peak number of  toilets flushed. A  treatment facility's                                                               
wastewater  processing  capacity  is   a  significant  factor  to                                                               
consider for small towns serving cruise ships.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:40:12 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  REVAK   withdrew  his  objection;  he   found  no  further                                                               
objection, and Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:40:34 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL  moved  to  adopt  Amendment  2,  work  order  32-                                                               
GS2493\A.4.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                 32-GS2493\A.4                                                                  
                                                      Radford                                                                   
                                                      3/28/22                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                          AMENDMENT 2                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
    OFFERED IN THE SENATE                  BY SENATOR KIEHL                                                                     
          TO:  SB 180                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 1, following "compliance;":                                                                                 
          Insert "relating to ocean rangers;"                                                                                 
                                                                                                                              
     Page 3, following line 29:                                                                                                 
          Insert new bill sections to read:                                                                                     
        "* Sec. 9. AS 46.03.476(a) is amended to read:                                                                      
               (a)  An owner or operator of a large                                                                             
          commercial  passenger vessel  entering the  marine                                                                    
          waters of  the state  is required to  allow [HAVE]                                                                
          an  ocean   ranger  hired   or  retained   by  the                                                                    
          department  on  board  the vessel  to  act  as  an                                                                    
          independent   observer   for    the   purpose   of                                                                    
          monitoring   state    and   federal   requirements                                                                    
          pertaining  to  marine   discharge  and  pollution                                                                    
          requirements   and   to   ensure   [INSURE]   that                                                                
          passengers,  crew,  and  residents  at  ports  are                                                                    
          protected  from improper  sanitation, health,  and                                                                    
          safety practices.                                                                                                     
       * Sec. 10. AS 46.03.476 is amended by adding a new                                                                     
     subsection to read:                                                                                                        
               (e)  The department shall ensure an ocean                                                                        
          ranger is present  on not less than  20 percent of                                                                    
          large commercial  passenger vessel voyages  in the                                                                    
          marine waters of the state."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "46.03.490(7),"                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete all material.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete all material.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "Sections 18, 20, and 21 of this Act take"                                                                     
          Insert "Section 21 of this Act takes"                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "secs. 21 and 22"                                                                                              
          Insert "sec. 22                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:40:37 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK objected for discussion purposes.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:40:41 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL stated that Amendment  2 would scale back the ocean                                                               
ranger  program instead  of  repealing it.  He  related that  the                                                               
Alaska Department of Environmental  Conservation (DEC) has shore-                                                               
based,  occasional  ride-along  observers that  provide  periodic                                                               
checks. The  administration strongly argued that  an ocean ranger                                                               
is unnecessary  on every cruise  ship coming to  Alaska. However,                                                               
deleting the  Ocean Ranger  Program fails  to reflect  the strong                                                               
public  sentiment  of  Alaskans   who  support  this  self-funded                                                               
program. He  explained that DEC  would contract to have  an ocean                                                               
ranger on board 1 in 5 cruise ships sailing in Alaska waters.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:42:02 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR VON IMHOF  asked whether this amendment  would change the                                                               
fiscal note on the bill.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL  offered his belief  that Amendment 2  would reduce                                                               
the  savings because  it  would not  eliminate  the Ocean  Ranger                                                               
Program.  He said  this program  should be  able to  operate more                                                               
cheaply and efficiently than the old program.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:42:34 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK maintained his objection.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:42:39 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE stated that he  does not support Amendment 2. He                                                               
said he believes in the spirit  of the bill, which should deliver                                                               
dramatic improvements to  commercial passenger vessel performance                                                               
regarding water quality. He said  he supports other provisions in                                                               
the  bill that  were partially  funded by  eliminating the  Ocean                                                               
Ranger  Program.  He  acknowledged that  the  compliance  program                                                               
worked and has public support, but  the program in SB 180 has the                                                               
potential to deliver more enhanced performance.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:43:37 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  STEVENS  commented that  the  Ocean  Ranger Program  was                                                               
quite successful. He  said he views Amendment 2 as  a step in the                                                               
right  direction  because  it  does  not  eliminate  the  program                                                               
entirely. He spoke in favor of Amendment  2 to have 1 in 5 cruise                                                               
ships  manned, noting  that if  it worked  out well,  the program                                                               
could be phased out entirely.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:44:10 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KAWASAKI stated that he  has an amendment that is similar                                                               
to Amendment 2,  which would have 1 in 4  cruise ships manned. He                                                               
agreed  that   the  Ocean  Ranger  Program   was  successful.  He                                                               
indicated  that   the  department  did  not   provide  sufficient                                                               
justification to  completely eliminate the program.  He suggested                                                               
that  the department  could transition  into  a different  system                                                               
providing  other compliance  checks and  operational verification                                                               
to  ensure  that  cruise vessels  are  performing  the  necessary                                                               
compliance in state  waters. However, he said he  did not believe                                                               
the program  should be eliminated  and that he views  Amendment 2                                                               
as a compromise. He offered his support for Amendment 2.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:45:08 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  VON  IMHOF  asked Senator  Micciche  the  reasons  ocean                                                               
rangers are  unnecessary and how  the compliance  requirements in                                                               
SB 180 would be sufficient.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE deferred  to DEC to respond. He  said was unsure                                                               
whether  members understood  that DEC's  Ocean Ranger  Program is                                                               
not  currently  operating. He  noted  that  the program  was  not                                                               
significantly related to water quality compliance.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:45:51 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:46:14 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK reconvened the meeting.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:46:19 PM                                                                                                                    
RANDY  BATES,   Director,  Division   of  Water,   Department  of                                                               
Environmental  Conservation,   Juneau,  Alaska,   responded  that                                                               
Senator  Micciche  addressed  the   value  of  the  Ocean  Ranger                                                               
Program.  The  program was  established  in  2006 and  served  an                                                               
important  purpose.  He  explained that  ocean  rangers  observed                                                               
activities  on  the  passenger vessels  and  provided  a  written                                                               
report  for  DEC.  DEC  staff would  review  and  evaluate  their                                                               
observations,  but often  their observations  fell outside  DEC's                                                               
authority,  which is  wastewater discharge.  Ocean rangers  had a                                                               
broad  checklist   of  activities,   such  as   observing  vessel                                                               
cleanliness and  reviewing logs. This resulted  in DEC evaluating                                                               
how it  manages its  authorities regarding  cruise ships  and all                                                               
industries  with wastewater  discharges.  DEC considered  whether                                                               
its Ocean  Ranger Program provide the  department knowledge about                                                               
vessel operations.  He related that the  department believes that                                                               
SB 180  appropriately addresses wastewater discharges.  The ocean                                                               
rangers served a purpose when  the program was initiated. He said                                                               
the ocean rangers are not inspectors and do not carry badges.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:48:08 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BATES stated  that the department does not  currently see the                                                               
value  of  the  ocean  rangers as  observational  individuals  on                                                               
cruise vessels. Instead, DEC finds  that its inspection protocols                                                               
conducted on 100 percent of all  vessels early in the cruise ship                                                               
season, following up with  scheduled and unscheduled inspections,                                                               
as necessary.  Further, DEC would  have ride alongs from  port to                                                               
port  for vessels  discharging in  state waters.  This means  DEC                                                               
will have someone on board to observe how the discharges occur.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. BATES explained that DEC  has inspection authority throughout                                                               
the vessel,  which ocean rangers  did not have. He  summarized by                                                               
stating that ocean  rangers provided an important  service at the                                                               
time, that  the department has evaluated  their effectiveness and                                                               
cost,  and developed  a viable  plan going  forward that  ensures                                                               
that the environment and human health are protected.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:49:32 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  VON   IMHOF  asked  him   to  confirm  that   DEC  would                                                               
essentially be  taking over  the Ocean  Ranger Program  by having                                                               
sufficient   staff   to   conduct   scheduled   and   unscheduled                                                               
inspections  and  ride-alongs  from   port  to  port  on  vessels                                                               
discharging wastewater.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BATES  answered  that  is   correct.  He  reviewed  the  DEC                                                               
compliance and inspection  staff, noting that DEC  has one marine                                                               
engineer currently  and plans  to recruit a  second one.  DEC has                                                               
three  full-time, dedicated  inspection staff  and two  part-time                                                               
positions. He  highlighted that DEC  has built and  bolstered its                                                               
program to  monitor large  and small vessels.  He noted  that the                                                               
ocean rangers never monitored small vessels.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:50:40 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BATES noted  that 41 large and 18  small vessels transporting                                                               
1.5  million passengers  plan to  come  to Alaska  this year.  He                                                               
stated that DEC  looks forward to visiting the  cruise ships with                                                               
staff  that  have  enforcement   authority  to  inspect  vessels,                                                               
observe and  sample wastewater discharge, and  examine their logs                                                               
to  ensure that  everything  is operational  and  adheres to  the                                                               
engineering plans. He highlighted that DEC is trained to do so.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:51:15 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE asked when the ocean rangers last operated.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BATES answered that the  last time the ocean rangers operated                                                               
was in 2019.  The Ocean Ranger Program contract  expired in 2020,                                                               
and DEC did not renew it. He  reported that Alaska did not have a                                                               
cruise season in  2020. DEC did not contract out  in 2021 because                                                               
Alaska  had  a limited  season,  and  DEC's staff  could  conduct                                                               
onboard inspections for all of the vessels.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:52:14 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE commented  that he supports the  bill because it                                                               
would use  the funding  for the ocean  ranger program  to address                                                               
water  quality more  effectively. He  highlighted that  the water                                                               
quality has been  exemplary, which is why the  state repealed the                                                               
zero-mixing zone citizen initiative a few years ago.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE  offered his  belief that  the bill  provides an                                                               
opportunity  to  create  a  program   to  help  Southeast  Alaska                                                               
waivered  communities,  which  could significantly  impact  water                                                               
quality.  He  indicated he  would  like  to see  forward  motion,                                                               
moving away from  waivered communities in the  future. He offered                                                               
his view that  the Ocean Ranger Program was a  great program that                                                               
proved that  the state's other  programs were working.  This bill                                                               
will allow DEC to address water  quality issues. He said he would                                                               
not support Amendment 2.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:53:36 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  stated that he  would not  get into why  the state                                                               
does not have  a program since the funding is  available. He said                                                               
this program is  ready for an update.  The committee acknowledged                                                               
the  excellent work  DEC has  done to  improve water  quality. He                                                               
agreed  that  the  ocean  rangers did  more  than  observe  water                                                               
quality.  He  recapped  that  a  citizen's  initiative  gave  the                                                               
program a broader mandate. He said  he agrees that the state does                                                               
not need  to monitor every  single vessel, that the  state should                                                               
use some of  the program's funds to do some  things better as Mr.                                                               
Bates described,  and that the  bill provides new  provisions. He                                                               
argued that these changes could  occur without entirely repealing                                                               
the  program. Amendment  2  would continue  to  reform the  Ocean                                                               
Ranger Program but not end it altogether.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:55:24 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK maintained his objection.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:55:33 PM                                                                                                                    
A  roll  call  vote  was  taken.  Senators  Stevens,  Kiehl,  and                                                               
Kawasaki voted  in favor of  Amendment 2, and  Senators Micciche,                                                               
von Imhof,  and Revak  voted against  it. Therefore,  Amendment 2                                                               
failed by a 3:3 vote.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:56:16 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KAWASAKI stated that two  amendments he intended to offer                                                               
[work order  32-GS2493\A.1 and 32-GS2493\A.2] would  increase the                                                               
ocean ranger presence, so he would not be offering them.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:56:39 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK solicited a motion.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:56:43 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE moved  to report SB 180,  work order 32-GS2493\A                                                               
as amended,  from committee  with individual  recommendations and                                                               
attached fiscal note(s).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:56:55 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL objected.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:57:14 PM                                                                                                                    
A roll  call vote  was taken. Senators  von Imhof,  Micciche, and                                                               
Revak  voted  in  favor  of  reporting SB  180  as  amended  from                                                               
committee,  and  Senators  Stevens,  Kiehl,  and  Kawasaki  voted                                                               
against it.  Therefore, the  motion to report  SB 180  as amended                                                               
from committee failed by a 3:3 vote.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:57:45 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  REVAK  stated that  SB  180  failed  to be  reported  from                                                               
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                      SB 177-MICROREACTORS                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:57:58 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK  announced the consideration  of SENATE BILL  NO. 177                                                               
"An Act relating to microreactors."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
[SB  177  was  previously  heard   on  3/21/2022,  4/6/2022,  and                                                               
4/11/2022.]                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:58:16 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL  moved  to  adopt  Amendment  1,  work  order  32-                                                               
GS2503\A.1.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                 32-GS2503\A.1                                                                  
                                                      Radford                                                                   
                                                       4/5/22                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                          AMENDMENT 1                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
    OFFERED IN THE SENATE                  BY SENATOR KIEHL                                                                     
          TO:  SB 177                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 1, following "Act":                                                                                         
          Insert "relating to nuclear facility siting                                                                         
     permits; and"                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, following line 2:                                                                                                  
          Insert a new bill section to read:                                                                                    
      "* Section 1. AS 18.45.025(c) is amended to read:                                                                     
                (c)  The Department of Environmental                                                                            
           Conservation shall  adopt  regulations  governing                                                                    
           the issuance of  permits required by (a)  of this                                                                    
           section. However,  a  permit  may not  be  issued                                                                    
           until the municipality with jurisdiction over the                                                                    
           proposed facility  site has  approved the  permit                                                                    
           or, if the  proposed facility site is  located in                                                                
           an unorganized borough, until the legislature has                                                                
           approved the permit."                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "Section 1"                                                                                                  
          Insert "Sec. 2"                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:58:21 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:58:24 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL explained  that Amendment  1  addresses a  concern                                                               
discussed at  the last hearing  on SB  177. If a  microreactor is                                                               
proposed  outside of  a municipality,  Amendment  1 will  clarify                                                               
that  the   legislature  must  approve   site  decisions   in  an                                                               
unorganized borough. It would maintain  that the legislature does                                                               
not   decide   on  microreactor   sites   that   fall  within   a                                                               
municipality.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:59:01 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK withdrew his objection.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:59:13 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE  asked if  the  department  had an  opinion  on                                                               
Amendment 1.  He related his  understanding that no  other energy                                                               
facility  has  a  "trump  card"  from  a  municipality  regarding                                                               
permitting capacity. He wondered what impact this might have.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:59:47 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:00:34 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK reconvened the meeting  and asked Senator Micciche to                                                               
restate  the   question  for  the  Department   of  Environmental                                                               
Conservation (DEC).                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:00:38 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE stated  that he knows of no other  cases where a                                                               
community has  a "trump card"  on a facility or  facility siting.                                                               
He  asked  what effect  Amendment  1  would  have on  any  future                                                               
facility located  at a mine  that may  be near a  municipality or                                                               
for a private  entity that is attempting to provide  power but is                                                               
located  near  a municipality.  He  noted  it would  become  very                                                               
dependent on who was currently serving on the city council.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:01:36 PM                                                                                                                    
CHRISTINA CARPENTER, Director,  Division of Environmental Health,                                                               
Department  of  Environmental  Conservation,  Anchorage,  Alaska,                                                               
asked  for  clarification  that   his  question  relates  to  the                                                               
requirement  for   municipal  approval   for  the  siting   of  a                                                               
microreactor.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE answered that is correct.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARPENTER  related that  the statutes  were developed  in the                                                               
1980s  and require  local approval  and legislative  approval for                                                               
any siting  of a microreactor.  She indicated that she  could not                                                               
speak to the legislative intent  when the legislature adopted the                                                               
statutes.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE asked whether  the department supports Amendment                                                               
1 since it would continue to use that approval process.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARPENTER responded that SB  177 would remove the requirement                                                               
for  legislative approval  for siting  a microreactor  unless the                                                               
site  is  in  an unorganized  borough.  The  Alaska  Constitution                                                               
already  refers  back  to  the   legislature  in  an  unorganized                                                               
borough, so  the administration doesn't believe  that Amendment 1                                                               
is necessary but does not oppose it.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:04:10 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:04:42 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK reconvened the meeting.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REVAK withdrew his objection to Amendment 1; he heard no                                                                  
further objection, and Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:05:12 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL moved to adopt Amendment 2, work order                                                                            
32GS2503\A.7.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                 32-GS2503\A.7                                                                  
                                                      Radford                                                                   
                                                      4/14/22                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                          AMENDMENT 2                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
    OFFERED IN THE SENATE                  BY SENATOR KIEHL                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 7:                                                                                                            
          Delete "a new subsection"                                                                                             
          Insert "new subsections"                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, following line 9:                                                                                                  
           Insert a new subsection to read:                                                                                     
                  "(c)  If the Department of Environmental                                                                      
           Conservation receives  notice  that a  person  has                                                                   
           submitted a Nuclear Regulatory Commission  license                                                                   
           application for  a  microreactor  located  in  the                                                                   
           state,    the    Department    of    Environmental                                                                   
           Conservation shall coordinate and submit  comments                                                                   
           from departments  or agencies  under (a)  of  this                                                                   
           section  on  the  Nuclear  Regulatory   Commission                                                                   
           licensing process specific to the microreactor."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:05:16 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK objected for discussion purposes.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:05:20 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  noted that  he had worked  with the  department on                                                               
several iterations  to ensure that  the language  was functional.                                                               
He  stated that  the existing  statutes  provide a  long list  of                                                               
departments that must study aspects  relevant to their department                                                               
for  any   nuclear  proposal.   SB  177   exempts  microreactors.                                                               
Amendment  2 provides  that when  the  state becomes  aware of  a                                                               
nuclear  microreactor   application  submitted  to   the  Nuclear                                                               
Regulatory  Commission (NRC),  DEC would  be the  lead department                                                               
and  coordinate   with  other  departments  to   comment  on  the                                                               
application.  This  would ensure  that  the  State of  Alaska  is                                                               
involved in the federal process  and that Alaskans' interests are                                                               
represented.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:06:28 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  REVAK   removed  his  objection;   he  heard   no  further                                                               
objection, and Amendment 2 was adopted.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:06:54 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE moved  to report SB 177,  work order 32-GS2503\A                                                               
as amended,  from committee  with individual  recommendations and                                                               
attached fiscal note(s).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REVAK  heard no objection,  and CSSB 177(RES)  was reported                                                               
from the Senate Resources Standing Committee.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:07:23 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
           SB 219-TRANSFER PERSONAL USE CABIN PERMITS                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:09:27 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   REVAK   reconvened   the  meeting   and   announced   the                                                               
consideration of  SENATE BILL NO.  219 "An Act providing  for the                                                               
transfer of and addition of names  to a personal use cabin permit                                                               
for a cabin on state land; and providing for an effective date."                                                                
                                                                                                                                
[SB 219 was previously heard on 3/14/2022.]                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:09:49 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE  stated that the  personal use cabin  permits on                                                               
state land  had experienced issues.  He recalled that  bills were                                                               
introduced  in previous  legislatures  designed to  clean up  the                                                               
permitting  process.  He  said that  the  Department  of  Natural                                                               
Resources (DNR) needs  to find solutions. He  highlighted that SB
219 was designed to allow  families that have leased personal use                                                               
cabin sites  from the state,  sometimes for many  generations, to                                                               
retain ownership.  This can occur in  two ways to enable  DNR and                                                               
the legislature  to find long-term  solutions. He stated  that he                                                               
had not heard any opposition from DNR.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:10:43 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE stated that Section 1  of SB 219 would allow any                                                               
living,  personal  use  cabin  permit   holder  a  one-time  only                                                               
transfer to  add a name  of an  immediate family member  to their                                                               
permit. This  would allow the  department time to  find long-term                                                               
solutions  to the  issues.  The  permit would  be  valid for  the                                                               
lifetime  of  the  immediate family  member.  The  second  change                                                               
relates to  a personal use  permit holder  who has died.  In that                                                               
instance, the family  can submit the name of  an immediate family                                                               
member. Still, the  permit term cannot extend  beyond the average                                                               
life expectancy  of the deceased  person's longevity.  This would                                                               
benefit the  permit holder for  a period equal to  the difference                                                               
between the  original permit holder's  age at death and  the life                                                               
expectancy as determined by statute.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:11:39 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BISHOP joined the meeting.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:11:54 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK solicited the will of the committee.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:11:54 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEVENS moved  to report SB 219,  work order 32-LS1224\I,                                                               
from  committee  with  individual  recommendations  and  attached                                                               
fiscal note(s).                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REVAK heard  no objection and SB 219 was  reported from the                                                               
Senate Resources Standing Committee.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:12:21 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
            SB 227-STATE OWNERSHIP OF SUBMERGED LAND                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:15:21 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   REVAK   reconvened   the  meeting   and   announced   the                                                               
consideration of  SENATE BILL NO.  227 "An Act relating  to state                                                               
ownership  of  submerged  land within  and  adjacent  to  federal                                                               
areas; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[SB 227 was previously heard on 4/8/2022.]                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   REVAK  solicited   a  motion   to  adopt   the  committee                                                               
substitute.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:15:43 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE moved  to adopt  the committee  substitute (CS)                                                               
for SB 227, work order 32-GS2561\B, as the working document.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:15:56 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK objected for discussion purposes.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:16:20 PM                                                                                                                    
BEN MULLIGAN, Deputy Commissioner,  Alaska Department of Fish and                                                               
Game, Juneau, Alaska, stated that  the department spoke to Alaska                                                               
National  Interest Lands  Conservation Act  (ANILCA) experts  who                                                               
suggested several changes. He referred  to subsection (j) on page                                                               
4, line 9 of Version B, which read:                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     (j) For  purposes of (b)  and (c) of this  section, the                                                                    
     commissioner    shall   make    a   determination    of                                                                    
     navigability  based  on  evidence consistent  with  the                                                                    
     meaning  given  to "navigable  water"  in  (g) of  this                                                                    
     section, and after considering factors that include                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:17:08 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. MULLIGAN pointed out that  the ANILCA experts interpreted the                                                               
language  in  Version   A  as  too  constraining   and  that  the                                                               
department  could  only  consider   what  was  listed  below  for                                                               
criteria  to  determine  navigability.  He  said  the  department                                                               
suggested  adding   the  language   "that  include"   to  provide                                                               
flexibility in  future situations when  determining navigability.                                                               
Still,  if it  did not  meet the  criteria listed,  the navigable                                                               
water could be brought forward and not constrain the department.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:17:52 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. MULLIGAN  referred to page 4,  line 12 to the  second change,                                                               
which read:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
   (1) a showing that a river is boatable at any time                                                                           
        during the open-water season ....                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. MULLIGAN stated that the  original version of SB 227, Version                                                               
A, read:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
   (1) a showing that a river is boatable at least one-                                                                         
        third of the open water season ...                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MULLIGAN  explained  that  this change  was  made  to  avoid                                                               
restricting the department when  determining navigable waters and                                                               
asserting the state's rights on navigability.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:18:41 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KAWASAKI  referred to the definition  of navigability. He                                                               
asked if  boatable was a term  of art. He further  asked if there                                                               
was a stronger  definition of navigability in  current statute or                                                               
used by federal agencies.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:19:10 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  MULLIGAN deferred  to the  Department  of Natural  Resources                                                               
(DNR).                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:19:44 PM                                                                                                                    
JIM WALKER,  Public Access Assertion  and Defense  Section Chief,                                                               
Division  of  Mining,  Land  and  Water,  Department  of  Natural                                                               
Resources, Anchorage,  Alaska, explained  that the  definition of                                                               
navigability  is largely  found within  case law  for determining                                                               
what it means  for a particular river to be  deemed navigable for                                                               
title  or  ownership  purposes.  As  discussed  in  the  previous                                                               
hearing, navigability can mean different  things depending on the                                                               
context. He indicated  that the term "boatability"  refers to the                                                               
ability  to boat  with  the requisite  criteria  on a  particular                                                               
waterway for the period of the  open water season. He stated that                                                               
boatability is a  useful term for better  understanding the legal                                                               
definition of navigability.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:21:25 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  REVAK   withdrew  his  objection;  he   heard  no  further                                                               
objection, and Version B was adopted as the working document.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:21:44 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:24:28 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  REVAK  reconvened  the  meeting.  He  explained  that  the                                                               
committee would like  to further review some of  the legal issues                                                               
on this bill.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:24:48 PM                                                                                                                    
[SB 227 was held in committee.]                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        SB 180-PASSENGER VESSEL ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLIANCE                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:24:50 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  REVAK moved  to rescind  the previous  action taken  on SB
180.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
[SB 180 failed  to move from committee in a  roll call vote taken                                                               
earlier in the meeting by a vote of 3 yeas and 3 nays.]                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:25:06 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK asked for a roll call vote.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:25:10 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:26:14 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK reconvened the meeting.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REVAK  withdrew  his  motion   to  rescind;  he  heard  no                                                               
objection, and the motion to rescind was withdrawn.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:26:20 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK  moved to reconsider  whether to report SB  180, work                                                               
order GS2493\A as amended from committee.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REVAK explained that a yes  vote would report the bill from                                                               
committee,  and a  no vote  would fail  to report  the bill  from                                                               
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:26:40 PM                                                                                                                    
A  roll  call vote  was  taken.  Senators Micciche,  Bishop,  von                                                               
Imhof,  and Revak  voted to  report  SB 180  from committee,  and                                                               
Senators  Stevens,   Kiehl,  and   Kawasaki  voted   against  it.                                                               
Therefore, CSSB  180(RES) was reported from  the Senate Resources                                                               
Standing Committee on reconsideration by a 4:3 vote.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:27:11 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
            SB 228-OUTSTANDING NAT'L RESOURCE WATER                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:29:30 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   REVAK   reconvened   the  meeting   and   announced   the                                                               
consideration  of  SENATE BILL  NO.  228  "An Act  requiring  the                                                               
designation of outstanding national  resource water to occur only                                                               
by statute;  relating to the  management of  outstanding national                                                               
resource water  by the Department of  Environmental Conservation;                                                               
and providing for an effective date."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
[SB 228 was previously heard on 4/8/2022.]                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:29:57 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  asked whether the  intention was to seek  the will                                                               
of the committee today.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REVAK responded that was correct.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL  stated that he  would not object to  reporting the                                                               
bill out  of committee, but  he had  some concerns. He  said that                                                               
bills  that  authorize  the  legislature  to  pass  a  bill  were                                                               
probably  more  about  making  a   statement  than  changing  the                                                               
process. He suggested  that the method to resolve  Tier III water                                                               
issues in SB 228 was not  the preferred way to establish resource                                                               
policy. He  characterized it as  putting politics into  it rather                                                               
than taking it out.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:30:56 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK solicited the will of the committee.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:30:58 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE moved to report  SB 228, work order 32-GS2492\A,                                                               
from  committee  with  individual  recommendations  and  attached                                                               
fiscal note(s).                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:31:18 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK found no objection, and  SB 228 was reported from the                                                               
Senate Resources Standing Committee.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:31:24 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
             HCR 2-SUPPORTING ALASKA OCEAN CLUSTER                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:33:47 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   REVAK   reconvened   the  meeting   and   announced   the                                                               
consideration  of HOUSE  CONCURRENT RESOLUTION  NO. 2  Supporting                                                               
the Alaska Ocean Cluster in  its mission, efforts, and vision for                                                               
a  vibrant coastal  economy  in  the state,  its  promotion of  a                                                               
diversified and  resilient state economy that  creates value from                                                               
ocean  resources,  and its  building  of  a statewide  integrated                                                               
ecosystem  of innovation  and  entrepreneurship  relating to  the                                                               
state's ocean economy.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
[HCR 2 was previously heard on 2/21/2022.]                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:33:57 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK acknowledged the presence of Representative Tarr.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:34:19 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK solicited the will of the committee.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:34:21 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE moved  to report HCR 2,  work order 32-LS0496\A,                                                               
from  committee  with  individual  recommendations  and  attached                                                               
fiscal note(s).                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:34:33 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK  found no objection and  HCR 2 was reported  from the                                                               
Senate Resources Standing Committee.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                 Alaska Fisheries Presentation                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:34:56 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  REVAK  announced  the presentation  on  Alaska  Fisheries,                                                               
which would focus on Mat-Su fisheries.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:35:29 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:37:42 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK reconvened the meeting.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REVAK rolled  the presentation to the bottom  of the agenda                                                               
in order to take up HB 54.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
               HB 54-INVASIVE SPECIES MANAGEMENT                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:37:48 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  REVAK announced  the consideration  of CS  FOR HOUSE  BILL                                                               
NO. 54(FIN)  "An Act  establishing  the  Alaska Invasive  Species                                                               
Council  in  the  Department  of   Fish  and  Game;  relating  to                                                               
management  of invasive  species;  relating  to invasive  species                                                               
management decals; and providing for an effective date."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
[CSHB 54(Fin) was previously heard on 3/11/2022.]                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:37:50 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK stated that the  committee worked with the sponsor to                                                               
improve certain aspects  of the bill. He then  solicited a motion                                                               
to adopt the Senate Committee Substitute (SCS).                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:38:06 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE  moved to adopt the  Senate Committee Substitute                                                               
(SCS)  for  CSHB  54,  work order  32-LS0057\D,  as  the  working                                                               
document.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:38:19 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL asked whether the motion  was to adopt version B or                                                               
version D.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE clarified  that the motion was  to adopt Version                                                               
D. He restated the motion.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:38:52 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK objected for discussion purposes.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:39:13 PM                                                                                                                    
TIM   LAMKIN,  Staff,   Senator   Gary   Stevens,  Alaska   State                                                               
Legislature, Juneau, Alaska, reviewed  the Explanation of Changes                                                               
for  Version N  to Version  D. He  stated that  Version D  is the                                                               
result of a  request by Senator Stevens to amend  CSHB 54(Fin) in                                                               
conjunction with  an agreement with  the sponsor. He  stated that                                                               
Version D primarily made two substantive changes:                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     1) Version N, Page 2, lines 5 and 6.                                                                                       
     Refer to a fixed $20 dollar fee for decals.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Version D, Page 3, lines 5 and 6.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:39:51 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. LAMKIN paraphrased the changes.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Changes the fixed dollar amount  to an amount recommend                                                                    
     by  the  advisory  council.   It  was  considered  more                                                                    
     flexible  and   appropriate  to  put  fee   setting  in                                                                    
     regulation  rather  than  come before  the  legislature                                                                    
     time  and time  again  to request  fixed dollar  amount                                                                    
     changes.  Especially,  since  the cost  of  decals  may                                                                    
     increase over time.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     2) Version D, Page 4, Lines 13-17.                                                                                         
     Legislative  representation was  added  to include  two                                                                    
     members of  the house  of representatives  appointed by                                                                    
     the speaker of the  house of representatives, including                                                                    
     one member  of the minority organizational  caucus; and                                                                    
     two member so the senate  appointed by the president of                                                                    
     the  senate,  including  one  member  of  the  minority                                                                    
     organizational caucus.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LAMKIN   stated  that  the  legislative   representation  is                                                               
consistent with  the composition of  other task forces set  up by                                                               
the legislature. He  stated that this would  bring the membership                                                               
of  the  council  to  31  members. Since  the  council  would  be                                                               
substantially represented by private  sector members, and because                                                               
it is  a public  policy forum that  conceivably would  use public                                                               
dollars,   the   governor  would   appoint   one   of  the   four                                                               
commissioners as the chair of the council.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:41:06 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. LAMKIN  referred to page 5,  line 4, which read,  "A majority                                                               
of the council constitutes a  quorum." He said this is consistent                                                               
with task  force language.  Finally, on page  5, lines  17-18, "A                                                               
vacancy on the  council shall be 18 filled in  the same manner as                                                               
the original  appointment." He  noted Legislative  Legal Services                                                               
made conforming amendments.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:41:30 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE  asked whether  Senator Stevens  had volunteered                                                               
to serve on the Alaska Invasive Species Task Force [Council].                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:41:48 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEVENS  clarified that the  council was comprised  of 31                                                               
members. He offered his support for Version D.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:42:12 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  REVAK   withdrew  his  objection;  he   heard  no  further                                                               
objection, and Version D was adopted as the working document.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REVAK solicited the will of the committee.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:42:39 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE moved to report  the Senate Committee Substitute                                                               
(SCS) for  CSHB 54, work  order 32-LS0057\D, from  committee with                                                               
individual recommendations and attached fiscal note(s).                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:43:02 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK found  no further objection and SCS  CSHB 54(RES) was                                                               
reported from Senate Resources Standing Committee.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
^ALASKA FISHERIES PRESENTATION                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                 ALASKA FISHERIES PRESENTATION                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:43:11 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK announced the Alaska Fisheries presentation.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:43:36 PM                                                                                                                    
MIKE  WOOD, Chair,  Mat-Su Borough  Fish and  Wildlife Commission                                                               
(MSBFWC),  Chase,  Alaska,  stated  that he  had  served  on  the                                                               
commission for eight years.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:44:00 PM                                                                                                                    
PETE  PROBASCO,   Member,  Mat-Su   Borough  Fish   and  Wildlife                                                               
Commission (MSBFWC),  Matanuska-Susitna Borough,  Palmer, Alaska,                                                               
introduced himself.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WOOD  stated that  the  Matanuska-Susitna  Borough Fish  and                                                               
Wildlife Commission (MSBFWC) is strictly  an advisory body to the                                                               
assembly  and the  political  representatives  in the  Matanuska-                                                               
Susitna Borough (MSB). The MSBFWC  is diverse and has a scientist                                                               
who works  for the Chitlin  Tribal Council and three  members who                                                               
have a  career with the  Alaska Department  of Fish and  Game. He                                                               
said he owns  a small setnet business and is  a Northern District                                                               
setnetter on the Ivan River. The commission uses the science-                                                                   
based information  that the  Alaska Department  of Fish  and Game                                                               
provides to advise the MSB Assembly on fisheries.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WOOD  directed   attention  to  slide  1,   which  showed  a                                                               
photograph of the Mat-Su Borough.  He said the Yentna River flows                                                               
into the Susitna River and the Northern District of Cook Inlet.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:45:37 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. PROBASCO reviewed slide 2, Overview.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     • Who is the MSB FWC?                                                                                                      
     • What do we do?                                                                                                           
     • Our priorities                                                                                                           
     • Why our work matters                                                                                                     
     • Moving forward                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. PROBASCO stated  that the MSBFWC's priorities  are focused on                                                               
fish and  wildlife. He offered his  view that habitat is  the key                                                               
to improving any fish and wildlife population.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:46:02 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WOOD reviewed slide 3, What is the MSB FWC?                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     • Started in 2007                                                                                                          
        • An 8-member MSB commission advocates for sound                                                                        
          fish and wildlife management on behalf of MSB and                                                                     
          its citizens                                                                                                          
        • Uses science & citizen input                                                                                          
        • Provides local expertise to the MSB Assembly,                                                                         
          citizens, regulators                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOD  expressed concern that  the legislature did not  pass a                                                               
bill  to  establish  recreational  rivers  and  recreation  river                                                               
corridors. He stated  that the MSB FWC  supports the recreational                                                               
river corridors  because it provides  a safeguard for  habitat on                                                               
six  recreation rivers.  He noted  that three  of the  six rivers                                                               
have commercial  fishing weirs for  sockeye salmon, at  Jug Lake,                                                               
Larson Lake, and Chelatna Lake.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:47:12 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  WOOD reviewed  slide 4,  What's  at stake  in our  fisheries                                                               
work?                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        • We need better tools in our weirs.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
          • The Mat-Su has been famous for its King and                                                                         
             Coho Salmon runs?                                                                                                  
          • Fishing is important to us  sustenance for the                                                                      
             soul and the body                                                                                                  
          • Fishing provides significant economic contribution                                                                  
             to the Mat-Su                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WOOD stated  that the  emphasis has  been on  enhancing king                                                               
salmon  returns  by  preserving  fish  habitat,  which  has  been                                                               
improving  in the  Mat-Su.  He highlighted  the  need for  better                                                               
tools such as funding for weirs to understand fish returns.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:48:02 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WOOD reviewed slide 5, Economics of Sportfishing in MSB                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
      • In 2017 direct spending on sport fishing in MSB                                                                         
        totaled over $57 million.                                                                                               
        • Though still significant, this level of spending                                                                      
          is down from 2007.                                                                                                    
        • How do   we   maintain   the   robust   economic                                                                      
          contributions of fisheries to the local economy                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOD highlighted  the importance of sport fishing  in MSB. He                                                               
also recognized  that many commercial  fishermen live in  the MSB                                                               
and  setnet  in  the  Northern district.  He  related  that  many                                                               
businesses  are affected  by the  fishing industry.  He indicated                                                               
that  direct spending  could increase  if the  king runs  were to                                                               
improve to the level of the 1980 and early 1990 returns.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:48:33 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  PROBASCO  emphasized  the final  bullet  point,  noting  the                                                               
importance of  maintaining the  robust economic  contributions of                                                               
fisheries to  the local  economy. He  stated that  the key  is to                                                               
focus  on healthy  fish  habitat to  improve  salmon returns.  He                                                               
offered his  view that the  lack of management  research programs                                                               
could help ensure healthy habitat and adequate escapement.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:49:08 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WOOD reviewed slide 6,  The MSB investment in Fisheries: Fish                                                               
Passage                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     • Since 2000, over $20 million invested                                                                                    
     • Over 100 fish passage culverts installed                                                                                 
    •  Restoration of 67 stream miles and 6,224 lake acres                                                                      
        of anadromous fish habitat  we walk our talk!                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WOOD  emphasized  the   rehabilitation  and  restoration  of                                                               
streams and  lakes in the  Mat-Su. He highlighted  the prevention                                                               
measures taken  to eradicate invasive  Elodea and  Northern Pike,                                                               
culvert   work  to   improve  fish   habitat,  and   discouraging                                                               
development in critical habitat areas.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:49:48 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  WOOD reviewed  slide 7,  Fisheries  Investments: Research  &                                                               
Management.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
       • In 2014 the MSB received a $2.5 million state                                                                          
        legislative grant for fisheries work:                                                                                   
        • Fish passage culverts installed                                                                                       
        • Research gap analysis done                                                                                            
        • 13 research and management projects funded                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOD offered  his view that the funding was  spent to enhance                                                               
science. The commission no longer has this level of funding.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:50:21 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. PROBASCO  noted that  $900,000 of the  $2.5 million  went for                                                               
culvert  removal  or upgrade,  and  the  remainder was  spent  on                                                               
research  management  projects.  He said  the  commission  worked                                                               
closely  with the  Alaska Department  of Fish  and Game  (ADF&G).                                                               
Some  private sector  and Native  communities funded  temperature                                                               
and  limnological  studies  to  understand  the  river  and  lake                                                               
systems better.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:51:06 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  WOOD reviewed  slide 8,  Alaska Board  of Fisheries/Wildlife                                                               
Work. The slide  consisted of three maps,  the Northern District,                                                               
the Susitna River and Kenai River, and the harvest zone.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     • We engage in the BOF/BOG meetings to advocate for                                                                        
        science-based management and regulation.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WOOD highlighted  the efforts  the commission  has taken  to                                                               
understand how fish move through  Cook Inlet and the impacts some                                                               
policies have had  on the Mat-Su. The commission  has worked with                                                               
ADF&G's  commercial and  sport fishery  divisions to  restore the                                                               
runs in  the Northern District of  Cook Inlet. He said  this area                                                               
includes  Anchorage and  the Mat-Su.  The habitat  for commercial                                                               
sockeye is not  as robust as the Kenai River  area, partly due to                                                               
the  lakes, but  the Mat-Su  has  thriving king  salmon and  coho                                                               
salmon  spawning   grounds.  He  emphasized  the   importance  of                                                               
ensuring  these  salmon  return  to  the  Northern  District.  He                                                               
highlighted the  importance of working with  ADF&G biologists and                                                               
the  Board  of  Fisheries  to  better  understand  fish  movement                                                               
through Cook Inlet into the Northern District.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:52:25 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  WOOD  commented that  the  commission's  focus would  be  on                                                               
federal management in the coming  year. He stated that the [North                                                               
Pacific   Fishery  Management   Council]  closed   the  Exclusive                                                               
Economic Zone in Cook Inlet. He  was unsure of the impact or what                                                               
management strategies  would be implemented. He  related that the                                                               
focus had  been on the Kenai  River, which has a  robust run. The                                                               
commission is  unsure whether the  closure will be  beneficial or                                                               
hinder fish  movement through Cook  Inlet. He indicated  that the                                                               
commission  would follow  this  closely and  work  with ADF&G  to                                                               
identify  what work  should  be done  better  to understand  this                                                               
shift in Cook Inlet commercial fisheries.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:53:14 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WOOD reviewed slide 9, to  2020 BOF UCI Finfish Meeting: Feb.                                                               
7-19, Egan Center.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     • We worked collaboratively to advance science-based                                                                       
        proposals that benefit fisheries conservation,                                                                          
        traditions, and the public interest.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:53:48 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WOOD reviewed slide 10 Looking for partners and allies.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     • We see common interests                                                                                                  
        • How can we best conserve our fish/wildlife                                                                            
          resources?                                                                                                            
        • How can we maintain and pass on our Alaskan fish                                                                      
          and wildlife cultural traditions?                                                                                     
        • We feel that finding partners and allies around                                                                       
          common interests will benefit fisheries and                                                                           
          wildlife in the MSB and Alaska, now and in the                                                                        
          future.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOD stated that at the  last Board of Fisheries meeting, the                                                               
commission  worked   with  the  Northern  District   to  have  an                                                               
equitable king  salmon catch and release  and commercial fishery.                                                               
He offered his view that the agreement seems to be working well.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOD emphasized the importance  of ADF&G data on genetics and                                                               
escapement. He  expressed that funding  for weirs,  which impacts                                                               
the Mat-Su, should  be increased. He highlighted  that the Mat-Su                                                               
continues  to  grow. He  stressed  that  ADF&G needs  funding  to                                                               
accomplish fish counts over an extended period.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:55:18 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. PROBASCO reviewed slide 11, How can we work together?                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
   • By advocating for sound fisheries/wildlife management,                                                                     
     all can benefit.                                                                                                           
     • Filling knowledge & management gaps:                                                                                     
     • Genetic fish stock analysis in Cook Inlet                                                                                
    • Funding fishing weirs and sonar for better in-season                                                                      
        management                                                                                                              
    • Applying the successful model of commercial fishing                                                                       
        from Bristol Bay in the complex mixed stock fishery                                                                     
        of Cook Inlet                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. PROBASCO emphasized the importance  of legislative funding to                                                               
provide  sufficient   data  to  establish  sound   fisheries  and                                                               
wildlife management.  He stated  that the  MSBFWC has  focused on                                                               
better understanding  sockeye, coho,  and king salmon  passage in                                                               
Cook Inlet to their natal streams.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. PROBASCO related that funding  genetic fish stock analysis in                                                               
Cook Inlet had  helped the commission better  understand the fish                                                               
movement, but more research and  funding are needed. He expressed                                                               
concern  that reduced  funding to  ADF&G  has adversely  impacted                                                               
fish weirs. He  related that ADF&G must shut down  the fish weirs                                                               
before the runs  are completed. He said that  ADF&G must estimate                                                               
escapement  rather  than use  actual  counts.  He emphasized  the                                                               
importance of  ensuring adequate escapement for  a healthy system                                                               
and its effect on future runs.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PROBASCO  advocated  establishing  management  and  research                                                               
programs within the Mat-Su Valley and Cook Inlet region.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:56:47 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WOOD  reviewed slide  12, to A  better future  together? [The                                                               
slide  consisted of  a  photograph of  salmon  harvested and  one                                                               
showing fish packaged for the freezer.]                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
        • Let's work together for the benefit of fish,                                                                          
        wildlife, and each other.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOD expressed concern that  three generations of kids in the                                                               
Mat-Su do  not know what  it is like to  catch a king  salmon. He                                                               
lamented  that the  attachment  to fishing  was  being lost  over                                                               
time.  He   emphasized  the   importance  of   ensuring  adequate                                                               
escapement so  people could  enjoy catching  and eating  fish. He                                                               
highlighted  the  enjoyment  people  could  experience  the  wild                                                               
rivers in Alaska.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:58:05 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK  commented that the  salmon in the  photograph looked                                                               
tasty.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:58:18 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE  encouraged  the  presenters to  reach  out  to                                                               
others in  the watershed.  He stated  that the  Northern District                                                               
was  not  the  only  district   facing  king  salmon  issues.  He                                                               
acknowledged  that  the  Mat-Su  and  the  Kenai  Peninsula  were                                                               
neighbors and  partners. He  said he hoped  that they  could work                                                               
together as partners to solve problems.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:58:57 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  WOOD  emphasized  that  he  enjoyed  sharing  stories  about                                                               
commercial fishing with the Kenai Peninsula setnet fishermen.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:59:26 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  STEVENS  asked  if the  commission  had  identified  any                                                               
culverts that should be replaced.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PROBASCO   highlighted  that  the  early   construction  and                                                               
development  in the  Mat-Su  Valley  did not  meet  the needs  of                                                               
anadromous   fish  streams.   He   stated   that  culverts   were                                                               
constructed  better,  but  more  work was  needed  in  the  upper                                                               
reaches. He  noted that coho  salmon could use water  bodies that                                                               
most people  would not think  supported salmon. He  said culverts                                                               
in subdivisions and  rural roads often do  not adequately provide                                                               
fish passage.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
5:00:27 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WOOD added  that he recently drove on the  Parks Highway, and                                                               
every bridge  from Montana Creek  to Big Lake was  being repaired                                                               
due to  the Infrastructure  Investment and  Jobs Act  funding. He                                                               
noted that Spur Road in Talkeetna needs extensive repairs.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:01:06 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  REVAK  thanked  Mr.  Wood   and  Mr.  Probasco  for  their                                                               
perspective  on the  bill to  establish  recreational rivers  and                                                               
recreation  river  corridors.  He  stated  that  the  issue  that                                                               
brought that  bill before the committee  was access to a  dock on                                                               
Judd  Lake.  He   explained  that  some  lakes   have  a  shallow                                                               
shoreline,  and  the regulations  would  not  allow residents  to                                                               
construct a  dock that  extends far enough  for access.  He noted                                                               
that the  easiest solution  was to  repeal it,  but that  did not                                                               
seem like the right approach.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
5:02:55 PM                                                                                                                    
There being  no further  business to  come before  the committee,                                                               
Chair  Revak adjourned  the Senate  Resources Standing  Committee                                                               
meeting at 5:02 p.m.                                                                                                            

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 180 Written Public Testimony as of 4.20.2022 at 7AM.pdf SRES 4/20/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 180
SB 180.A.1.pdf SRES 4/20/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 180
SB180.A.2.pdf SRES 4/20/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 180
SB180.A.3.pdf SRES 4/20/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 180
SB180.A.4.pdf SRES 4/20/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 180
SB 177 Letter of Opposition Kay Brown.pdf SRES 4/20/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 177
SB177.A.1.pdf SRES 4/20/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 177
SB177.A.7.pdf SRES 4/20/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 177
HB 54 Letter of Support Alisha Asplund.pdf SRES 4/20/2022 3:30:00 PM
HB 54
SB 219 Letter of Support Shirley D. Winther.pdf HRES 5/6/2022 1:00:00 PM
SRES 4/20/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 219
SB 219 Supporting Testimony Documents Shirley D. Winther.pdf SRES 4/20/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 219
SB 219 Letter of Support Cindy Rainey-Bell.pdf HRES 5/6/2022 1:00:00 PM
SRES 4/20/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 219
SB 228 Letter of Opposition Molly Dischner.pdf SRES 4/20/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 228
Alaska Fisheries Presentation, MatSu Fisheries, Mat-Su Fish & Wildlife Commission.pdf SRES 4/20/2022 3:30:00 PM
Alaska Fisheries Presentation, MatSu Fisheries, Mat-Su Fish & Wildlife Comm, Supporting Documents.pdf SRES 4/20/2022 3:30:00 PM
HB 54 Fiscal Note ADF&G 2.2.2022.pdf SRES 4/20/2022 3:30:00 PM
HB 54
HCR 2 Fiscal Note 2.7.2022.pdf SRES 4/20/2022 3:30:00 PM
HCR 2
SB 177 Fiscal Note DEC 1.27.2022.pdf SRES 4/20/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 177
SB 180 Fiscal Note DEC ADMIN 1.28.2022.pdf SRES 4/20/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 180
SB 180 Fiscal Note Fund Transfers 1.28.2022.pdf SRES 4/20/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 180
SB 180 Fiscal Note DEC 1.28.2022.pdf SRES 4/20/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 180
SB 219 Fiscal Note DNR 3.11.2022.pdf SRES 4/20/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 219
SB 180 Fiscal Note DEC ADMIN(2) 1.28.2022.pdf SRES 4/20/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 180
SB 228 Fiscal Note DEC 1.25.2022.pdf SRES 4/20/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 228
SB 227 Fiscal Note DNR 3.10.2022.pdf HFSH 5/12/2022 10:00:00 AM
SRES 4/20/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 227
HB 54 Fiscal Note ADF&G 2.2.2022.pdf SRES 4/20/2022 3:30:00 PM
HB 54
HB 54 v.D.pdf SRES 4/20/2022 3:30:00 PM
HB 54
SB 227 v.B.pdf SRES 4/20/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 227