Legislature(1993 - 1994)

01/20/1993 03:37 PM Senate RES

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                   SENATE RESOURCES COMMITTEE                                  
                        January 20, 1993                                       
                            3:37 P.M.                                          
  MEMBERS PRESENT                                                              
  Senator Mike Miller, Chairman                                                
  Senator Loren Leman, Vice Chairman                                           
  Senator Steve Frank                                                          
  Senator Drue Pearce                                                          
  Senator Al Adams                                                             
  Senator Fred Zharoff                                                         
  MEMBERS ABSENT                                                               
  Senator Dave Donley                                                          
  COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                           
  SENATE BILL NO. 43                                                           
  "An   Act   establishing   a  grant   program   relating  to                 
  transplantation of elk."                                                     
  SENATE BILL NO. 30                                                           
  "An  Act  extending  the  termination  date  of  the  Alaska                 
  Minerals Commission."                                                        
  PREVIOUS SENATE COMMITTEE ACTION                                             
  SB 30 - No previous action to record.                                        
  SB 43 - No previous action to record.                                        
  WITNESS REGISTER                                                             
  Senator Bert Sharp                                                           
  State Capitol                                                                
  Juneau, Alaska 99801-1182                                                    
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Sponsor of SB 30.                                       
  Senator Robin Taylor                                                         
  State Capitol                                                                
  Juneau, Alaska 99801-1182                                                    
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Sponsor of SB 43.                                       
  Ron Sommerville, Deputy Commissioner                                         
  Department of Fish and Game                                                  
  P.O. Box 25526                                                               
  Juneau, Alaska 99802-5526                                                    
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Commented on SB 43.                                     
  W. Bruce Dinneford, Management Coordinator                                   
  Southeast Alaska                                                             
  Department of Fish and Game                                                  
  P.O. Box 240020                                                              
  Douglas, Alaska 99824-0020                                                   
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Commented on SB 43.                                     
  ACTION NARRATIVE                                                             
  TAPE 93 - 1, SIDE A                                                          
  Number 001                                                                   
  SENATOR  MILLER called  the  Resources Committee  meeting to                 
  order  at  3:37  p.m.  and  announced  SB 30  EXTEND  ALASKA                 
  MINERALS COMMISSION to be up for consideration.                              
  SENATOR BERT SHARP, Sponsor of SB  30, gave a brief overview                 
  of   the   Minerals  Commission   which   advocates  mineral                 
  development  and  multi-use  of  state  lands.   The  Alaska                 
  Minerals Commission  was created to  make recommendations to                 
  the  Governor  and  Legislature  on  ways  to  mitigate  the                 
  government constraints on development of minerals, including                 
  SENATOR LEMAN asked if the Commission was normally on a five                 
  year sunset cycle.   SENATOR SHARP answered  that he thought                 
  it was.                                                                      
  SENATOR  LEMAN  moved to  pass  SB  30  from Committee  with                 
  individual recommendations.   SENATOR ADAMS objected to  say                 
  that  a  Budget and  Audit  Committee recommendation  was to                 
  increase the sunset cycle to 10 years.  He then  removed his                 
  objection.    There were  no  further objections  and  SB 30                 
  passed from Committee with no further objections.                            
  Number 104                                                                   
  SENATOR MILLER announced  SB 43 GRANTS TO TRANSPLANT  ELK to                 
  be up for consideration.                                                     
  SENATOR ROBIN  TAYLOR,  Prime Sponsor,  said a  total of  50                 
  animals  from  Oregon were  planted  on Etolin  Island.   He                 
  explained  the legislation  would put  $100,000 to act  as a                 
  matching grant fund  so people in Southeast  Alaska who wish                 
  to transplant elk have the opportunity to do so.                             
  SENATOR ZHAROFF said he  was concerned with the loss  of elk                 
  during  the  counting period.    He was  concerned  that the                 
  fiscal note  was $0, but  that the position  paper indicates                 
  there is $1 million needed over a five year period.   He was                 
  also concerned that the Department was given the latitude to                 
  adopt regulations to implement this section which would mean                 
  no legislative review.  He asked  why there was no effective                 
  Number 290                                                                   
  SENATOR ADAMS  asked how he  planned on getting  the funding                 
  for  this program.   SENATOR TAYLOR  answered that  it would                 
  come from the general fund.                                                  
  Number 292                                                                   
  SENATOR ADAMS asked if he had a specific island in  mind for                 
  transplanting elk?   SENATOR  TAYLOR said he  didn't have  a                 
  particular island in mind.                                                   
  Number 313                                                                   
  RON SOMMERVILLE, Deputy Commissioner, Department of Fish and                 
  Game,  said  the  bill  gives  the  Commissioner  a  lot  of                 
  discretion  for  funding.    He  said  the  Administration's                 
  position had not been  finalized, yet.  If this  bill passed                 
  it would  encourage the  possible introduction  of elk  into                 
  Southeast Alaska.                                                            
  Bringing in "exotics"  might create  some problems with  the                 
  Forest Service. There would also  be problems of competition                 
  with  species  that  are  already   here.    Protecting  the                 
  viability of natural species is a mandate of the department.                 
  The legislature chose  to exempt  elk from the  Department's                 
  jurisdiction relative to  farming.  Some Bovine  TB infected                 
  elk were imported which had to be eradicated.                                
  MR.  SOMMERVILLE said the  bill presented no  direct cost to                 
  the  Department  unless  something was  implemented  by  the                 
  legislature.  He offered to alter the fiscal note to reflect                 
  Senator Adams concern.   He could not see any  alternative ,                 
  but to have an environmental  assessment before anything can                 
  be brought in.                                                               
  Number 398                                                                   
  SENATOR PEARCE  asked  if elk  had  ever been  in  Southeast                 
  Alaska?   MR. SOMMERVILLE answered they had  been limited to                 
  parts of the lower 48.                                                       
  Number 410                                                                   
  SENATOR  PEARCE  asked what  the  length of  quarantine time                 
  would be.   MR. SOMMERVILLE  said it depends on  the type of                 
  disease.  Bovine TB  takes up to  six years to develop,  for                 
  Number 420                                                                   
  SENATOR ZHAROFF  asked what the transportation  season would                 
  BRUCE  DINNEFORD,  Management   Coordinator  for   Southeast                 
  Alaska,  explained there had been  a two phase transplant in                 
  January and March of 1987.  He couldn't say for sure if that                 
  was the best time of the year.                                               
  SENATOR  ZHAROFF  asked  what was  an  exotic  animal.   MR.                 
  SOMMERVILLE said in  this case it  would be an animal  whose                 
  range doesn't normally include that area.                                    
  Number 445                                                                   
  SENATOR  TAYLOR  asked  if  there  had been  any  biological                 
  studies done on which to base his statements?  MR. DINNEFORD                 
  said they  didn't have any  studies going on, per  se.  They                 
  have been monitoring the population of the elk and deer.  He                 
  said that changes might not be apparent in the short term, 5                 
  - 10 years.                                                                  
  SENATOR FRANK asked  why elk  wouldn't migrate naturally  to                 
  Alaska from their habitat in the  lower 48?  MR. SOMMERVILLE                 
  answered they are better suited to an interior rather than a                 
  maritime climate.                                                            
  Number 525                                                                   
  SENATOR  ZHAROFF   reiterated  his   concerns  about   ADF&G                 
  generating the  regulations.   He asked  Mr. Sommerville  to                 
  comment on the fiscal note.                                                  
  MR. SOMMERVILLE said they could  change the fiscal note, and                 
  explained   they  didn't  know   if  the  legislature  would                 
  appropriate any money  for a  program.  If  they did,  there                 
  would be the need for some technical support from within the                 
  Number 575                                                                   
  SENATOR ADAMS asked  if he wanted  regulations to come  from                 
  the Department of Fish and Game saying the non-profit had to                 
  come up with  the %50?  SENATOR TAYLOR said  that was right,                 
  because he wanted the local community to have a  significant                 
  investment in the project itself.  SENATOR ADAMS asked if he                 
  was planning to put into the budget a grant to the Ketchikan                 
  Sportsmen's Association.   SENATOR TAYLOR said he  was going                 
  TAPE 92-1, SIDE B                                                            
  Number 580                                                                   
  SENATOR LEMAN asked if there was  a problem with getting the                 
  "exotic species" from  other states.   MR. SOMMERVILLE  said                 
  there wasn't a  problem getting elk.   Because of expansion,                 
  most states are trying to give them away.                                    
  Number 555                                                                   
  SENATOR   ADAMS  asked  if   the  Department   proposed  any                 
  amendments or  further  comments on  the fiscal  note.   MR.                 
  SOMMERVILLE  said  they could  have  a maritime  climate and                 
  delete  the rest  of it,  but they  would still  have  to go                 
  through the process of site selection and assessment.                        
  Number 542                                                                   
  SENATOR  ZHAROFF asked if he  wanted this to include private                 
  land as well as public.  MR. SOMMERVILLE answered yes.                       
  SENATOR MILLER said they would hold the bill until Monday so                 
  the sponsor could get  together with the Department of  Fish                 
  and Game and bring back some changes.                                        
  SENATOR MILLER adjourned the meeting at 4:32 p.m.                            

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