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ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE
LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL
JUNE 14, 2024
2:00 PM
MEMBERS PRESENT
Senator Elvi Gray-Jackson, Chair
Representative Kevin McCabe, Vice Chair
Senator Click Bishop
Senator Jesse Kiehl
Senator Donny Olson
Senator Gary Stevens
Representative Bryce Edgmon
Representative Craig Johnson
Representative George Rauscher
Representative Dan Saddler
Representative Cathy Tilton
MEMBERS ABSENT
Senator Matt Claman
Senator Lyman Hoffman
Senator Bert Stedman (alternate)
Representative Sara Hannan
OTHER MEMBERS PRESENT
Senator David Wilson
AGENDA
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
CONTRACT APPROVALS
EXECUTIVE SESSION
COMMITTEE BUSINESS
SPEAKER REGISTER
Jessica Geary, Executive Director, Legislative Affairs
Agency (LAA)
Shay Wilson, Chief Information Officer, LAA
Kate Burkhart, Ombudsman
JC Kestel, Procurement Officer, LAA
Tim Powers, Chief Technology and Outreach Officer, LAA
John Wright, Manager, Print Shop, LAA
I. CALL TO ORDER
2:05:35 PM
CHAIR GRAY-JACKSON called the Legislative Council meeting to
order in the Anchorage Legislative Information Office Denali
Room. Present at the call were: Senators Bishop, Gray-Jackson,
Kiehl, Olson, Stevens; Representatives Edgmon, Johnson,
McCabe, Tilton.
Nine members present.
Representative Saddler joined the meeting at 2:08pm, and
Representative Rauscher joined at 2:17pm.
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
2:07:21 PM
VICE CHAIR MCCABE moved and asked unanimous consent that
Legislative Council approve the agenda as presented.
The motion passed without objection.
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
2:07:36 PM
VICE CHAIR MCCABE moved that Legislative Council approve the
minutes for the April 30, 2024, Legislative Council meeting
as presented.
The motion passed without objection.
IV. CONTRACT APPROVAL
a. State Microsoft Agreement
2:07:58 PM
VICE CHAIR MCCABE moved that Legislative Council approve the
expenditure of $303,000 for the first of five annual
installments to Software House International (SHI) that licenses
the Legislature to use Microsoft's software.
CHAIR GRAY-JACKSON objected for the purpose of discussion and
asked Shay Wilson, Chief Information Officer, to speak to
this item.
SHAY WILSON, Chief Information Officer, Legislative Affairs
Agency (LAA), stated before Council members was a memo regarding
the Microsoft Enterprise Software Agreement. In 2021,
Legislative Council authorized LAA to enter a three-year
contract with Microsoft with annual renewals. That contract ends
at the end of this month.
This software includes a wide range of applications used daily
by legislative employees including computer operating systems;
applications like Outlook, Word, Excel, PowerPoint;
collaboration software Teams; and storage. The licenses also
include software that runs the legislature's servers including
BASIS, file system storage, and the databases required to store
and track the bill process.
This contract was negotiated in conjunction with the executive
and judicial branches and used software reseller SHI to secure
the lowest pricing on this software licensing. The legislative
branch also targeted a five-year enterprise agreement to secure
even further discounts.
The total price for year one of the enterprise agreement is
$303,000 to be paid from Division of Technology and Information
Fiscal Year 2025 operating funds.
There was no further discussion. Chair Gray-Jackson removed her
objection and asked for a roll call vote.
2:10:33 PM
YEAS: Senators Bishop, Gray-Jackson, Kiehl, Olson, Stevens;
Representatives Edgmon, Johnson, McCabe, Saddler
NAYS: None
The motion passed 9-0.
b. Ombudsman Legal Services
2:11:14 PM
VICE CHAIR MCCABE moved that Legislative Council authorize the
expenditure of an amount not to exceed $80,000 to be paid from
existing funds in the Ombudsman operating budget for legal
services provided by Holland and Hart LLP to the Alaska State
Ombudsman in the Thomas Meadows petition matter.
CHAIR GRAY-JACKSON objected for the purpose of discussion and
asked Kate Burkhart, Alaska State Ombudsman, to speak to
this item.
KATE BURKHART, Alaska State Ombudsman, stated that earlier in
the year a complainant was dissatisfied with the investigation
of a complaint they made to the Ombudsman and sought to appeal
to the Alaska Superior Court. Initially the matter was
dismissed, but he refiled in March and that matter is still
pending. The Ombudsman has retained Holland and Hart to
represent their office in this matter. At the time we submitted
the memo to Legislative Council we had expended $36,000 in
attorney fees; since then they have been invoiced and approved
payment for an additional $5,764. The judge has not ruled on the
matter. Ombudsman Burkhart does not know if they will need to
appear in court for a hearing or if the judge will decide on the
pleadings. She said they anticipate the complainant will appeal
whatever the outcome, so they are seeking approval to pay for
attorney fees through the completion of this matter. At her
request, Holland and Hart estimated that, given the briefing
that has already been done, it should come in under $80,000, but
there is no guarantee.
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER asked what is at issue with this lawsuit.
MS. BURKHART responded that the petitioner, Thomas Meadows, made
a complaint to the Ombudsman which was investigated. He did not
agree with the findings so he attempted to file an administrative
appeal to the Superior Court like one would with the executive
branch. The Alaska Ombudsman specifically prevents judicial
review of Ombudsman actions as part of the separation of powers.
Mr. Meadows' first attempt was dismissed, so he filed an
Ombudsman grievance which was considered by someone other than
herself. He was unhappy with that outcome, so Mr. Meadows refiled
the appeal again; it's considered a new matter, which is why it
has a new case number, and it is still pending before the judge.
Ms. Burkhart noted that while Mr. Meadows believes the findings
are inaccurate or unsupported by the evidence, the key legal
issue is whether the Ombudsman's findings in an investigation
are subject to judicial review. Our statute makes it clear they
are not.
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER asked what the original issue was.
MS. BURKHART responded that if the Committee would like to have
a substantive discussion related to this matter, she would ask
that be done in Executive Session due to statutory requirements
related to confidentiality and that this is pending litigation.
There was no further discussion. Chair Gray-Jackson removed her
objection and asked for a roll call vote.
2:15:36 PM
YEAS: Senators Bishop, Gray-Jackson, Kiehl, Olson, Stevens;
Representatives Edgmon, Johnson, McCabe, Saddler, Tilton
NAYS: None
The motion passed 10-0.
c. Fairbanks LIO Lease Extension Renewal
2:16:13 PM
VICE CHAIR MCCABE moved that Legislative Council approve Renewal
No. 4 of the lease for the Fairbanks office space in the amount
of $217,536.24.
CHAIR GRAY-JACKSON objected for the purpose of discussion and
asked JC Kestel, Procurement Officer, LAA to speak to this item.
JC KESTEL, Procurement Officer, LAA, stated that the Agency
leases office space from Global Federal Credit Union in
Fairbanks for the Interior Delegation and the Fairbanks LIO.
That lease is currently in Renewal No. 3, which expires July 31,
2024. He said the Agency is seeking to exercise Renewal No. 4
for the period August 1, 2024, through July 31, 2025. This lease
renewal exceeds $50,000 in one fiscal year, therefore
Legislative Council approval is required.
SENATOR STEVENS stated that at one time, the legislature had a
separate North Pole office and asked if all the Fairbanks area
legislators are now in the Fairbanks LIO.
MR. KESTEL confirmed that was correct with the exception of one
Interior member from Tok who maintains an office in his district.
He added, in response to a question by Vice Chair McCabe, that
there are nine legislative offices, two visiting legislator
offices, and two conference rooms.
There was no further discussion. Chair Gray-Jackson removed her
objection and asked for a roll call vote.
2:19:11 PM
YEAS: Senators Bishop, Gray-Jackson, Kiehl, Olson, Stevens;
Representatives Edgmon, Johnson, McCabe, Rauscher,
Saddler, Tilton
NAYS: None
The motion passed 11-0.
d. Mat-Su LIO Lease Extension Renewal
2:19:51 PM
VICE CHAIR MCCABE moved that Legislative Council approve Renewal
No. 3 of the lease for Mat-Su office space in the amount of
$191,820.72.
CHAIR GRAY-JACKSON objected for the purpose of discussion and
asked, JC Kestel, Procurement Officer, to speak to this item.
MR. KESTEL, Procurement Officer, LAA, stated that the Agency
leases office space from 600 Railroad Ave., LLC, for the Mat-Su
Delegation and LIO in Wasilla. Renewal No. 2 is expiring July
31, 2024, and Renewal No. 3 would be for the period August 1,
2024, through July 31, 2025. This lease renewal exceeds $50,000
in one fiscal year; therefore, Legislative Council approval is
required.
VICE CHAIR MCCABE, as a member of the Mat-Su Delegation, shared
with members that a school was moving out of the facility that
houses the LIO and legislative offices and asked if the lessor
had advised who would be moving into that vacated space.
MR. KESTEL said he has twice asked that question, but the
lessor's property manager has not provided a thorough answer as
there seems to be some uncertainty as to when the school
is leaving.
VICE CHAIR MCCABE shared that legislative parking at the Mat-Su
office has been a concern and suggested that, once a new tenant
has been identified, the property manager communicate a plan
that will accommodate all tenants.
MR. KESTEL said that this lease currently includes ten parking
spaces, and that it may be possible to negotiate additional
parking spaces. He speculated that additional buildings recently
added to the property may also be contributing to that problem.
There was no further discussion. Chair Gray-Jackson removed her
objection and asked for a roll call vote.
2:23:24 PM
YEAS: Senators Bishop, Gray-Jackson, Kiehl, Olson, Stevens;
Representatives Edgmon, Johnson, McCabe, Rauscher,
Saddler, Tilton
NAYS: None
The motion passed 11-0.
V. EXECUTIVE SESSION
a. RFP 668 Alaska State Capitol Audio and Video Equipment
Installation
b. RFP 671 - Alaska State Capitol Audio and Video Equipment
Programming
CHAIR GRAY-JACKSON said Council would go into Executive Session
to consider a notice of intent to award two RFPs: (1) the Alaska
State Capital Audio and Video Equipment Installation and (2) the
Alaska State Capitol Audio and Video Equipment Programming.
2:24:21 PM
VICE CHAIR MCCABE moved and asked unanimous consent that
Legislative Council go into Executive Session under Uniform Rule
22(B)(1), discussion of matters, the immediate knowledge of
which would adversely affect the finances of a government unit
and 22(B)(3), discussion of a matter that may, by law, be
required to be confidential. The following individuals may
remain in the room or online during Executive Session: Jessica
Geary, Megan Wallace, Susie Lemons, Tim Powers, JC Kestel, and
Ernest Daigle; Proposal Evaluation Committee (PEC) members Shay
Wilson, Danea Burns, Amanda Krafft, Matt Simpson, Micaela
Bradner; K2 Audio Engineer Ben Gleason; any legislators not on
Legislative Council; and any staff of Legislative
Council members.
A roll call vote was taken.
2:25:15 PM
YEAS: Senators Bishop, Gray-Jackson, Kiehl, Olson, Stevens;
Representatives Edgmon, Johnson, McCabe, Rauscher,
Saddler, Tilton
NAYS: None
The motion passed 11-0.
2:26:13 PM
Council went into Executive Session.
2:48:53 PM
Council came out of Executive Session.
A roll call vote was taken to establish a quorum.
Present at the call were Senators Bishop, Gray-Jackson, Kiehl,
Olson, Stevens; Representatives Edgmon, Johnson, McCabe,
Rauscher, Saddler, Tilton.
Eleven members present.
2:49:37 PM
VICE CHAIR MCCABE moved that Legislative Council approve the
award of both RFP 668 and RFP 671, to Sound Decisions, LLC, with
a not-to-exceed contract value of $1,295,800 to be paid using
existing capital funds.
CHAIR GRAY-JACKSON objected for the purpose of discussion and
asked, Tim Powers, Chief Technology and Outreach Officer, to
speak to this item.
TIM POWERS, Chief Technology and Outreach Officer, LAA, said
there are two RFPs for consideration: RFP 668 and 671 audio
video (AV) equipment installation and the equipment programming.
He said in December of 2022 the Legislative Council approved a
contract with K2 Audio LLC, an AV consulting firm, to assess and
design a replacement plan for the Capitol's audio and video
systems. This independent review resulted in the two RFPs
presented for consideration today. K2 Audio Engineer Ben Gleason
is available on the phone to answer any technical questions. He
said the rationale for this upgrade is that the current audio
system in the chambers and committee rooms are nearing the end
of their lifespan and are experiencing quality decline. Both
Sergeants-at-Arms can confirm the need for replacement. Existing
limitations with the technology level of the existing audio
systems prevent full integration of projection systems,
presentation computers, LIO audio systems, and they hinder video
conference capabilities through Microsoft Teams. He noted the
temporary solutions implemented during the pandemic to support
the inclusion of video participation resulted in a significant
amount of staff time to maintain and has been unreliable. He
said without this investment, the Division of Technology and
Information cannot replace the failing equipment before a
critical breakdown occurs which would negatively impact the
legislatures productivity and accessibility to the public.
Cost information for this project includes RFP 668 Audio and
Video Equipment Installation at $1,095,946.46, plus a five
percent contingency, and the value of RFP 671 at $144,515.08,
brings the total combined request of $1,295,800.
2:52:11 PM
Council took a brief at-ease.
2:53:36 PM
Council returned from brief at-ease.
2:53:39 PM
VICE CHAIR MCCABE, at the request of the Chair, restated the
motion and moved that Legislative Council approve the award of
both RFP 668 for $1,150,800 and RFP 671 for $145,000 to Sound
Decisions, LLC, with a not-to-exceed contract value totaling
$1,295,800 to be paid using existing capital funds.
CHAIR GRAY-JACKSON again objected for the purpose of discussion.
VICE CHAIR MCCABE said he has experienced some of the problems
resulting from the current audio system, including having to
change rooms mid-committee meeting or canceling a meeting
because the audio wasn't working. He asked Mr. Powers to briefly
explain for the public why the legislature needs to spend this
amount of money.
MR. POWERS explained that audio systems are crucial to the
legislature since the Capital is physically far from many
constituents; the legislature has attempted to "shrink Alaska"
digitally by using technology. The audio systems and
teleconferencing are primarily how Alaskans participate in
committee meetings. When the audio system does not work and
invited testifiers are unable to participate, it is disruptive
to the process. These disruptions and resulting delays are a
frequent occurrence and very problematic. When committees are
discussing matters of importance, technical issues should not
be a factor.
SENATOR BISHOP stated that Representative McCabe raised a good
question. He continued that another factor for consideration is
the dollar amount for the whole legislature to be shut down. The
legislature has 121 days to conduct business and having to cancel
meetings can put essential pieces of legislation in peril.
There was no further discussion. Chair Gray-Jackson removed her
objection and asked for a roll call vote.
2:56:58 PM
YEAS: Senators Bishop, Gray-Jackson, Kiehl, Olson, Stevens;
Representatives Edgmon, Johnson, McCabe, Rauscher,
Saddler, Tilton
NAYS: None
The motion passed 11-0.
VI. COMMITTEE BUSINESS
a. Print Shop Copier Purchase
2:57:57 PM
VICE CHAIR MCCABE moved that Legislative Council authorize the
purchase of a new Print Shop copier in the amount of $90,511.75
from Boynton Office Systems using existing capital funds.
CHAIR GRAY-JACKSON objected for the purpose of discussion and
asked John Wright, Print Shop Manager, to speak to this item.
JOHN WRIGHT, Manager, Print Shop, LAA, stated that the Agency
would like to replace one of the Print Shop's aging, main
production copiers. The current machine is seven years old and
has over 10.5 million prints on it. He said older machines
typically require more frequent service and experience longer
down times.
Mr. Wright noted that service on the existing Xerox machine has
also been an issue. When the Agency purchased it seven years
ago, local Xerox service technicians were available; however,
beginning about two years ago, Xerox has been unable to retain
a local technician. Currently, service is provided by out-of-
state technicians resulting in wait times of up to a month. The
proposed replacement machine is a Canon V900; Canon has local
technicians through Boynton Office Supplies who provide a one-
day response time.
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER asked about the quality of the Canon
copier to ensure the legislature is not losing reliability in
service of cost.
MR. WRIGHT responded that while the Print Shop has not yet had
a Canon, he has worked with Canons in previous jobs and has a
high regard for their products. He said a Canon representative
demonstrated the machine would be very similar to the Xerox
capabilities; in fact, it proved equal in speed and quality. He
said his philosophy is the machine is only as good as the service
provided; service has been lacking from Xerox which is why he
is now considering the Canon.
Mr. Wright, in response to a follow-up question by
Representative Saddler, confirmed that the Canon service
(described as a per-click fee which covers any required
maintenance and parts, as well as toner) and ink cost will be
similar to the Xerox machine.
MR. KESTEL added that the Agency has procured Canon copiers for
use in several other offices. He said that Canon machines are
reliable and the vendor offers great service.
VICE CHAIR MCCABE asked if 10.1 million copies is half-life or
better than half-life for a copier.
MR. WRIGHT said that 10.5 million is common for a copier machine
life span. Machines will still operate at ten to twelve million
prints but require much more frequent service.
There was no further discussion. Chair Gray-Jackson removed her
objection and asked for a roll call vote.
3:04:26 PM
YEAS: Senators Bishop, Gray-Jackson, Kiehl, Olson, Stevens;
Representatives Edgmon, Johnson, McCabe, Rauscher,
Saddler, Tilton
NAYS: None
The motion passed 11-0.
b. Capitol Carpet Replacement
3:05:08 PM
VICE CHAIR MCCABE moved that Legislative Council authorize the
purchase of new carpet for the Capitol in an amount not to exceed
$70,000 from the vendor offering the lowest cost, using existing
capital funds.
CHAIR GRAY-JACKSON objected for the purpose of discussion and
asked Jessica Geary, Executive Director, to speak to this item.
JESSICA GEARY, Executive Director, LAA, said she was speaking
on behalf of Serge Lesh, Facilities Manager, who is on a much-
needed vacation. She stated that the carpet in the Capitol,
specifically on floors one, four, and five, was getting worn and
threadbare in several areas. She said the fourth floor was last
replaced in 2006 and floors one and five in 2007. LAA has patched
and repaired over the years floors one and five; floor four is
the orange floor that was supposed to be red, so many may be
happy see it replaced with blue that matches the other floors.
Currently on floors one and five there is Axminster Crownpoint
Border carpet a photo is included in your packet; under this
proposal, all three floors would have the same carpet.
Initially, the Agency considered just replacing the fifth floor,
however there is a substantial discount when ordering in larger
quantity, and when ordering directly from the carpet
manufacturer Brinton, there is an even larger discount. We
received an initial quote of $65,000 for four rolls of carpet
body and three rolls of carpet border. While procurement is
ongoing, it appears this will be the lowest cost; and pledged
that LAA will ensure the carpet is purchased at the lowest
cost possible.
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER asked if the carpet was manufactured in
the United States.
MR. KESTEL confirmed the carpet was made in the United States
in both New Jersey and Las Vegas.
SENATOR KIEHL asked if the not-to-exceed amount of $70,000
included installation.
MS. GEARY said installation would be an additional cost; current
quotes to install these three floors would be under $50,000
which is the amount required to take before Council.
VICE CHAIR MCCABE stated that his office is on the first floor,
and he has tripped over carpet tears countless times. He
continued that the Capitol receives many visitors and the
current carpet condition presents a safety hazard. The duct tape
over worn areas is not always effective, nor perhaps appropriate
for the Capitol as representative of the State of Alaska.
MS. GEARY, in response to questions from Speaker Tilton,
confirmed the funding for the carpet would come from existing
capital funds and that there were sufficient existing capital
funds to cover all the projects approved today by
Legislative Council.
There was no further discussion. Chair Gray-Jackson removed her
objection and asked for a roll call vote.
3:10:30 PM
YEAS: Senators Bishop, Gray-Jackson, Kiehl, Olson, Stevens;
Representatives Edgmon, Johnson, McCabe, Rauscher,
Saddler, Tilton
NAYS: None
The motion passed 11-0.
3:11:12 PM
Council took a brief at-ease.
3:11:59 PM
Council returned from brief at-ease.
c. Late Travel Reimbursement Request
3:12:32 PM
CHAIR GRAY-JACKSON stated that according to Legislative
Council Travel and Per Diem Policy, a legislator or
legislative employee must request travel per diem or
reimbursement for actual expenses by submitting a claim to LAA
within sixty days after returning from the trip. She said
Representative Prax traveled on November 29, 2023, and submitted
a Travel Reimbursement Claim Form on May 20, 2024; according to
policy, due to the late request, Legislative Council approval
is required to reimburse.
VICE CHAIR MCCABE moved that Legislative Council approve the
late travel reimbursement request submitted by
Representative Prax.
CHAIR GRAY-JACKSON objected for the purpose of discussion. Ms.
Geary is available to answer questions about the travel
reimbursement policy.
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON asked about staff reimbursement and if
they have the same sixty-day requirement.
MS. GEARY stated that is typically only applied to legislators.
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON shared that he had a staff member who was
one day late submitting a staff lodging reimbursement claim and
lost $900 worth of housing reimbursement; this person was not
given an option to come before Legislative Council to have it
approved. He said that to be fair, if someone is late, they're
late and if we are going to deny staff, we should also deny
legislators as well.
MS. GEARY said the [Travel and Per Diem] policy applies to
legislators and staff, and the reason she used the term
typically in her earlier response is that staff travel may be
paid from several different funding sources, not all of which
are governed by the Travel and Per Diem Policy. Travel out of
the Allowance Account or travel related to the Lodging Stipend
or Relocation, have different rules applied, so without knowing
the specific facts in this case, she said she couldn't really
comment as this is the first she had heard about it. However,
staff who travel under the Travel and Per Diem policy who turned
in their travel late would have the same ability to appeal to
this committee as a legislator.
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON said he believed it was housing as
opposed to travel and wanted to understand the difference
in policy.
MS. GEARY said she would be happy to discuss this further offline
as the Staff Lodging Stipend falls under the Moving and Travel
Policy, which is a different policy with different rules.
There was no further discussion. Chair Gray-Jackson removed her
objection, asked for a roll call vote, and recommended a
yes vote.
3:15:42 PM
YEAS: Senators Bishop, Gray-Jackson, Kiehl, Olson, Stevens;
Representatives Edgmon, Johnson, McCabe, Rauscher,
Saddler, Tilton
NAYS: None
The motion passed 11-0.
VII. ADJOURNMENT
CHAIR GRAY-JACKSON, after confirming there were no additional
comments by members, advised that she did not expect to have a
Legislative Council meeting in July. The remaining interim
meetings would likely be August 13 or 14; late September; and
during the week of December 9 through 13. These are all deadline-
driven dates for contracts, leases, and RFPs. The Chair thanked
members, LAA staff, and her staff for their contributions.
3:17:34 PM
With no further business before the committee, the meeting was
adjourned at 3:17 pm.
| Document Name | Date/Time | Subjects |
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| Leg Council Agenda_Final_06.14.24.pdf |
JLEC 6/14/2024 2:00:00 PM |
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| Leg Council Minutes_Draft_04.30.24.pdf |
JLEC 6/14/2024 2:00:00 PM |
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| FY25 SHI Microsoft Software Renewal.pdf |
JLEC 6/14/2024 2:00:00 PM |
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| Ombudsman Memo re Legal Fees 6-6-24.pdf |
JLEC 6/14/2024 2:00:00 PM |
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| Fairbanks Lease Renewal No. 4 request to LEC.pdf |
JLEC 6/14/2024 2:00:00 PM |
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| Mat-Su Lease Renewal No. 3 request to LEC.pdf |
JLEC 6/14/2024 2:00:00 PM |
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| Print Shop Copier Purchase Memo.pdf |
JLEC 6/14/2024 2:00:00 PM |
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| Capitol Carpet Purchase Memo.pdf |
JLEC 6/14/2024 2:00:00 PM |
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| Late Travel Reimbursement Request.pdf |
JLEC 6/14/2024 2:00:00 PM |
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| RFP 668 Capitol Audio and Video Installation - ExecSess Req.pdf |
JLEC 6/14/2024 2:00:00 PM |
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| RFP 671 Capitol Audio and Video Programming - ExecSess Req.pdf |
JLEC 6/14/2024 2:00:00 PM |