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02/24/2025 01:30 PM Senate JUDICIARY

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01:31:04 PM Overview: Alaska Court System
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE JUDICIARY STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                       February 24, 2025                                                                                        
                           1:30 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Matt Claman, Chair                                                                                                      
Senator Jesse Kiehl, Vice Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Robert Myers                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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Senator Gary Stevens                                                                                                            
Senator Löki Tobin                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
NANCY MEADE, General Counsel                                                                                                    
Administrative Offices                                                                                                          
Alaska Court System                                                                                                             
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Delivered an overview of the Alaska Court                                                                 
System.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
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1:30:33 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN called the Senate Judiciary Standing Committee                                                                     
meeting to order at 1:30 p.m. Present at the call to order were                                                                 
Senators Myers, Kiehl, and Chair Claman.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW: ALASKA COURT SYSTEM                                                                                                  
                 OVERVIEW: ALASKA COURT SYSTEM                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:31:04 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN  announced an  overview of  the Alaska  Court System                                                               
presented by  Nancy Meade.  He asked that  Ms. Meade  cover three                                                               
topics:                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
• An update and information on trial delays.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
•  A review of presiding  judge orders on continuances,  which is                                                               
   part of the trial delay discussion.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
•  Information on capital budget  requests from the  Alaska Court                                                               
   System.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN invited  Ms. Meade to put herself on  the record and                                                               
begin her presentation.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:31:58 PM                                                                                                                    
NANCY  MEADE,  General  Counsel, Administrative  Offices,  Alaska                                                               
Court System  (ACS), Anchorage,  Alaska, commenced  the overview,                                                               
focusing  on  the pretrial  population  and  the length  of  time                                                               
criminal  cases  take to  reach  resolution,  known as  "time  to                                                               
disposition" (TTD).                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MEADE  explained  that  the   pretrial  population  has  two                                                               
different  definitions. The  Department of  Corrections maintains                                                               
data on this group of  individuals. The Department of Corrections                                                               
(DOC) defines the   pretrial  population as the  number of people                                                               
in correctional  institutions who have not  been sentenced, which                                                               
it terms  as "unsentenced.  Whereas the  courts define  pretrial                                                                
as cases  that have not  been disposed. She said  the distinction                                                               
is that the unsentenced includes:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
• individuals awaiting disposition, and                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
•  individuals who  have  had  a trial  or  entered  a plea,  are                                                               
   adjudged guilty, and are awaiting their sentencing.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE explained  that felony sentencings do  not always occur                                                               
simultaneous  with   a  verdict   because  DOC  must   prepare  a                                                               
presentence  report  for  the court  to  use  during  sentencing.                                                               
Therefore, if  a jury  finds somebody guilty  of a  felony, there                                                               
can be  a delay between that  moment and the time  that the court                                                               
actually  sentences  the  person.  This process  can  take  three                                                               
months  or longer,  which creates  delays between  conviction and                                                               
sentencing. She  expressed her intention  to set  that population                                                               
aside; the  court system has  little influence over  it. Instead,                                                               
the discussion  will focus on  cases where the time  between case                                                               
initiation and  sentencing, or trial, extends  longer than people                                                               
would like.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:34:36 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MEADE  said that using DOC  data, the court has  observed the                                                               
pretrial population  increasing in recent years.  Within the last                                                               
eight or  nine years,  there has been  significant focus  on this                                                               
issue, beginning  with Senate  Bill 91 in  2016, which  sought to                                                               
change how  the pretrial  population was  managed. At  that time,                                                               
the pretrial population was about  1,300 individuals. By the time                                                               
Senate  Bill  91 was  repealed  in  2019,  the number  had  grown                                                               
slightly to  about 1,500. Following  the repeal, the  number rose                                                               
more sharply, fluctuating over time.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE stated  the number of individuals arrested  and held in                                                               
correctional  institutions  peaked  in  2022,  which  was  partly                                                               
attributable  to delays  in trials  and case  dispositions during                                                               
the pandemic.  The number has  since declined to 2,000  people in                                                               
pretrial  status in  prison, which  is  about 50  percent of  the                                                               
incarcerated population.  She emphasized  that if the  concern is                                                               
with the pretrial  population, the absolute numbers  show a rise,                                                               
with a peak in 2022, followed by a modest decline since then.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:36:57 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  CLAMAN asked  how the  figures  for 2016,  2019, and  2022                                                               
compared as percentages  of the total prison  population in those                                                               
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MEADE replied  that  she  did not  have  all those  figures;                                                               
however, in late  2020, the split was about  50-50. She estimated                                                               
the pretrial population was just more than 55 percent by 2022.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:37:36 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MEADE said  those are the numbers under  discussion. She said                                                               
the  key question  is how  to  adjust the  number of  individuals                                                               
incarcerated   pretrial.   She   explained  that   the   pretrial                                                               
population is a function of several factors:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Arrests with Charges Filed                                                                                                    
The number of people arrested  with charges filed. She said there                                                               
is  probably little  that can  be done  about this  directly. The                                                               
goal should  not be fewer charges  filed, but a lower  crime rate                                                               
overall.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
BAIL                                                                                                                          
Another factor  influencing the pretrial  population is  the bail                                                               
decisions courts must  make. When someone is  arrested, they must                                                               
appear before  a judicial officer  within 24 hours.  Initial bail                                                               
is set in  felonies and other cases, with subsequent  bail set at                                                               
the first felony  appearance. Bail decisions can  be changed, and                                                               
courts  are  routinely asked  to  review  bail, most  often  when                                                               
defendants  cannot meet  conditions for  release. Defendants  can                                                               
request  a bail  review  hearing if  they cannot  pay  or if  new                                                               
information emerges.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MEADE  said  according  to   AS  12.30.001,  bail  decisions                                                               
generally fall into three categories:                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
•  Release on  Recognizance: Defendants  return to  the community                                                             
   without bail and do not add to the pretrial population.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
•  Bail with  Conditions: Courts  may  set conditions,  including                                                             
   dollar amounts. Defendants  that cannot meet  these conditions                                                               
 will likely spend time in jail or a correctional institution.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
•  Pretrial  Enforcement  Division  Supervision:   Created  under                                                             
   Senate Bill 91,  effective in 2018,  and never  repealed, this                                                               
   arm of DOC supervises  defendants released into  the community                                                               
   pretrial. These individuals do  not take up jail  beds, do not                                                               
   count  in  the  pretrial  population,  and  are  monitored  by                                                               
   pretrial  enforcement  officers.  These  officers  follow  the                                                               
   court   orders  in  terms  of administering  tests,  enforcing                                                               
   substance restrictions, and may  impose ankle monitors  or GPS                                                               
   tracking. She emphasized  this tool has  been very  useful for                                                               
   avoiding unnecessary increases in the pretrial population.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:40:48 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS referred to defendants  who fail to adhere to their                                                               
bail conditions of release, specifically  substance use. He asked                                                               
whether  defendants  refuse  that  condition at  the  outset,  or                                                               
whether they  involve violations of release  conditions after the                                                               
fact and are re-jailed.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MEADE replied  that  it is  usually  the latter.  Defendants                                                               
generally  believe at  the outset  that  they can  adhere to  the                                                               
conditions, particularly  with pretrial officers  supervising and                                                               
testing them. However, many violations  of release conditions are                                                               
filed because  defendants are caught using  substances, which can                                                               
result  in a  longer jail  time  than they  otherwise would  have                                                               
served.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:41:37 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS  asked if that  generally results in  an additional                                                               
charge being added to the original charges.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE replied yes, exactly.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:41:52 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MEADE explained that some  individuals remain in the pretrial                                                               
population because they are unable  to meet the monetary or other                                                               
conditions set  by the judge,  or because they incur  new charges                                                               
for  violating  conditions  of  release.  These  individuals  may                                                               
remain incarcerated  longer, causing  strain on DOC  by occupying                                                               
jail space.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE stated that there  are also defendants whose cases take                                                               
a long  time to resolve, for  one reason or another,  and are not                                                               
held in prison  pretrial. She said while  the pretrial population                                                               
is  linked to  the  time  it takes  cases  to reach  disposition,                                                               
delays also  affect cases outside  of that group.  She emphasized                                                               
that lengthy case timelines have  been a concern for decades. She                                                               
recalled  that when  she joined  the  court system  in 2004,  her                                                               
first  assignment was  to work  on forms  and orders  designed to                                                               
expedite  case  processing.  Those  efforts  may  have  had  some                                                               
effect, but she  said cases now take longer to  resolve than they                                                               
did 20 years ago, and no one is satisfied with that.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE reviewed what the court  system is doing, and could do,                                                               
to  reduce  delays.  She acknowledged  concerns  raised  about  a                                                               
backlog but  stated that  the situation  is not  as dire  as some                                                               
media reports suggest. While some  cases have indeed taken seven,                                                               
eight, or even  nine years to resolve, which  is not justifiable,                                                               
the court  measures backlog in  several ways. One is  by tracking                                                               
the  number  of  pending  cases.  As  of  January  1,  2024,  she                                                               
reported, there were over 15,700 pending cases.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:44:25 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   CLAMAN   asked   whether  that   figure   includes   both                                                               
misdemeanors and felonies.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MEADE  replied  that  it  does  and  offered  to  provide  a                                                               
breakdown if desired.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN requested the breakdown.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MEADE provided  a breakdown,  highlighting the  drop in  the                                                               
number of pending cases in one year:                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
• As of January 1, 2024                                                                                                       
   Approximately 15,700 total cases were pending.                                                                               
   6,440 were felony cases.                                                                                                     
   9,313 were misdemeanor cases.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
• As of January 1, 2025                                                                                                       
   Approximately 10,300 total cases were pending.                                                                               
   4,900 were felony cases.                                                                                                     
   6,000 were misdemeanor cases.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MEADE characterized  this as  a substantial  drop and  noted                                                               
that the 2025 figures are lower  than the number of pending cases                                                               
in 2019,  before the  pandemic. She  cautioned against  using the                                                               
term  "backlog," emphasizing  that  the court  will always  carry                                                               
pending cases  and the current  figures are consistent  with pre-                                                               
COVID levels.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:45:42 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  MEADE   mentioned  another   point,  the  median   times  to                                                               
disposition are  fairly good:  less than six  months for  Class A                                                               
misdemeanors and less than four  months for Class B misdemeanors.                                                               
Felonies take  longer: about  six months for  Class C,  10 months                                                               
for Class B,  and 13 months for Class A.  She explained that more                                                               
serious  charges  naturally  involve  more  evidence  and  higher                                                               
stakes, extending the timeline.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE noted that unclassified felonies, which include first-                                                                
degree sexual  assault and first-degree murder,  take the longest                                                               
to  resolve. The  median time  to  disposition in  such cases  is                                                               
three years. She observed that  these cases attract attention and                                                               
were some of the cases highlighted in the media recently.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:46:47 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS  acknowledged that the  medians make sense,  and up                                                               
until  the most  serious categories,  the timelines  sound fairly                                                               
reasonable. He  asked, however, whether the  cases highlighted in                                                               
the media  are true outliers  or whether a significant  number of                                                               
cases extended well  beyond the median. He  expressed interest in                                                               
seeing more data on the distribution of case timelines.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MEADE replied  that the  unclassified  felonies driving  the                                                               
three-year  median  involve  283  cases.  She  said  those  cases                                                               
include  the outliers  most often  highlighted in  the news.  She                                                               
acknowledged  that  there  is  no excuse  for  those  delays  and                                                               
emphasized that no  one wants that outcome.  She stated, however,                                                               
the median provides  the most accurate reflection  of the typical                                                               
experience.  She  said she  would  look  into whether  the  court                                                               
system  can  present  data  that   shows  the  distribution  more                                                               
clearly.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:48:22 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  CLAMAN  referenced  the  statement  about  the  number  of                                                               
pending pretrial  cases in  2025 that  were consistent  with pre-                                                               
COVID levels. He  asked whether pre-2019 figures  were similar or                                                               
whether the  number of  pretrial cases  had been  increasing over                                                               
time.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE replied  that current figures are  slightly higher than                                                               
the 2018 levels.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:49:03 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MEADE  said the last piece  of data that provides  context is                                                               
clearance  rates,  which  measures  the  number  of  cases  filed                                                               
against the  number closed.  The goal is  to exceed  100 percent.                                                               
For  example, if  99  cases are  filed and  101  are closed,  the                                                               
system is reducing the backlog of pending cases.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE  reported that  in 2024 the  felony clearance  rate was                                                               
106  percent, which  she described  as excellent  since it  shows                                                               
progress  in  reducing  pending   cases.  For  misdemeanors,  the                                                               
clearance rate  over the last two  years was 102 percent  and 101                                                               
percent. She  said these figures  are better than even,  which is                                                               
the goal,  and emphasized the  court system's intent  to continue                                                               
improving clearance rates.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:50:11 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MEADE  explained how the  courts will achieve  good clearance                                                               
rates and move cases faster. The  court system relies on a number                                                               
of  policies,  orders, and  rules.  Over  the  past year,  a  new                                                               
committee,  chaired by  a Supreme  Court justice,  was formed  to                                                               
manage time  standards. Its stated  goal is to decrease  the time                                                               
between case  initiation and disposition. The  committee enlisted                                                               
technical assistance  from the National Center  for State Courts,                                                               
whose staff visited Alaska courts,  examined case files, observed                                                               
hearings,  reviewed dockets,  and  made  recommendations. At  the                                                               
annual  Judicial Training  Conference in  October, those  experts                                                               
and  others spent  a full  day with  Alaskan judges,  focusing on                                                               
best  practices for  case management,  including how  to minimize                                                               
repetitive hearings,  handle scheduling,  and reduce  delays. She                                                               
said this renewed focus is one reason for recent improvements.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:51:37 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MEADE  said the courts  have also maintained  a long-standing                                                               
policy that  if the parties are  ready for trial, the  court will                                                               
provide a  judge. To  fulfill this, the  system often  calls back                                                               
retired judges  to serve  pro tempore. These  judges can  take on                                                               
lengthy cases,  such as sexual  assault trials,  allowing sitting                                                               
judges to  manage other proceedings.  She said the  courts adhere                                                               
to this policy 98 percent of  the time. The rare exception occurs                                                               
when  courtrooms are  unavailable, as  has sometimes  happened in                                                               
Palmer.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE explained that the  courts also use trailing calendars.                                                               
A  criminal judge  may  set three  to five  trials  for the  same                                                               
Monday  morning, knowing  that most  cases will  resolve by  plea                                                               
before  trial.  The imminence  of  a  trial date  drives  parties                                                               
toward settlement. If  more than one case remains,  a pro tempore                                                               
judge  is called  in.  She said  trailing  calendars help  ensure                                                               
parties are prepared and that cases move more quickly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:53:22 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MYERS  referenced  a  statement   that  delays  in  case                                                               
processing  have  existed  for  decades and  worsened  in  recent                                                               
years, partly  due to Senate Bill  91 and the pandemic.  He asked                                                               
whether  those delays  have led  to  an increase  in cases  being                                                               
resolved through plea bargains.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE  replied not exactly.  She explained that  the majority                                                               
of  felony  cases have  always  resolved  through plea  bargains.                                                               
There are three ways cases are resolved:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Outright Dismissal                                                                                                            
The  prosecutor initiates  almost  all  outright dismissals.  She                                                               
said  prosecutors  often dismiss  if  they  conclude they  cannot                                                               
prove guilt  beyond a reasonable  doubt for each of  the elements                                                               
of the crime.  About 40 percent of felony  filings are dismissed,                                                               
and roughly 90 percent of those  are by the prosecutor. Over half                                                               
of misdemeanors  filed last  year were  dismissed, nearly  all by                                                               
prosecutors.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Plea Bargains                                                                                                                 
Plea   bargains  account   for   about  58   percent  of   felony                                                               
resolutions. She emphasized this  figure has been consistent over                                                               
time and not the result of  recent delays. She said the trend has                                                               
been  toward  more  dismissals  by  prosecutors  than  more  plea                                                               
bargains.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Resolve through Trial                                                                                                         
About two  and a half percent  of felony cases and  less than one                                                               
percent of misdemeanor cases go to trial.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:55:35 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN  asked whether the  use of trailing  calendars began                                                               
in  response  to recommendations  from  the  National Center  for                                                               
State Courts.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MEADE replied  not exactly.  She recalled  first seeing  the                                                               
practice referenced  in a Supreme  Court order in 2019.  She said                                                               
this has been a practice for  a number of years, though adherence                                                               
has  varied. The  approach can  occasionally disrupt  proceedings                                                               
and there  are logistical  questions, such as  whether to  call a                                                               
judge at  home at 8:00  a.m. on a  Monday morning or  delay until                                                               
Tuesday.  She  said  it  is  a bit  difficult  to  make  trailing                                                               
calendars happen smoothly,  but the direction is to  make it work                                                               
despite  those challenges.  She  emphasized that  the courts  are                                                               
encouraged to use  trailing calendars more than they  ever did in                                                               
the past, but the practice itself is not new.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:56:44 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS asked  whether, with the delays in  the system, the                                                               
number of "time-served" plea bargains has increased.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MEADE  replied that  she  has  no  data  on that  point  and                                                               
suggested the  Department of Law  may have that  information. She                                                               
said, anecdotally, time served can  influence whether a case goes                                                               
to  trial.  If  a  defendant   is  unlikely  to  face  additional                                                               
punishment  beyond  the time  already  served,  the incentive  to                                                               
proceed with a full trial diminishes.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:57:29 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL commented that the  legislature, concerned with the                                                               
rising cost  of electronic monitoring,  instructed DOC  to notify                                                               
the courts  when someone had  been on monitoring longer  than the                                                               
maximum  possible sentence  for the  crime charged.  He said  his                                                               
understanding  is that  some of  those cases  are now  resolving,                                                               
rather  than  keeping people  on  monitoring  past their  longest                                                               
conceivable sentence.  He asked  whether those  dispositions were                                                               
driven  more  by  prosecutors  deciding  "that's  enough"  or  by                                                               
defendants  deciding they  had been  on monitoring  too long  and                                                               
might as well enter a plea.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MEADE replied  that  the  court system  does  not track  why                                                               
people accept  a plea, when  in the process  they do so,  or what                                                               
sentence  they ultimately  receive.  While individual  sentencing                                                               
orders exist,  the terms are  not entered into a  searchable data                                                               
field that could be mined to produce meaningful data.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL observed that  distinguishing dismissals from pleas                                                               
might provide some insight into who was driving the outcomes.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE  responded that  the court  system does  have dismissal                                                               
data. However, it  does not track at which point,  in the life of                                                               
a case,  a dismissal  occurs. She explained  that while  the data                                                               
can identify whether a case  was dismissed, it cannot say whether                                                               
it happened at the beginning, a year in, or two years later.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:59:08 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  CLAMAN  expressed his  belief  that  the [Alaska  Criminal                                                               
Justice Data  Analysis] Commission  had some information  on this                                                               
topic, but the  pandemic complicated the trends.  He said without                                                               
the  pandemic, when  more  people were  held  pretrial and  cases                                                               
resolved  more regularly,  clearer patterns  would have  emerged.                                                               
Instead, pandemic dynamics muddied the data.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:59:43 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  MEADE  explained  that  the   primary  reason  cases  become                                                               
 delayedor    add  to the  time  to disposition,  is not  because                                                               
courts postpone  them on  their own.  Delays almost  always occur                                                               
when  one of  the parties  request  more time,  usually with  the                                                               
agreement  of  the   other  party,  and  the   court  grants  the                                                               
continuance.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE  outlined several common  reasons for  continuances and                                                               
why it is such a difficult problem to solve:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
New  Attorneys: Turnover  and retention  challenges  at both  the                                                             
Public  Defender Agency  and the  Department of  Law have  led to                                                               
younger,  less experienced  attorneys  taking  on complex  felony                                                               
cases. A new attorney  may be assigned to a case on  the eve of a                                                               
trial and  need months,  sometimes up to  two years,  to prepare.                                                               
Conflicts of  interest can also  trigger transfers to  the Office                                                               
of  Public  Advocacy  or  to   private  attorneys,  which  resets                                                               
preparation timelines.  For years  the turnover rates  were high,                                                               
but this is improving.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Treatment  Programs: Defendants  sometimes  seek continuances  to                                                             
complete  treatment programs  that  may influence  how the  court                                                               
views their case.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Motions: Motions, such  as to suppress evidence,  are often filed                                                             
shortly   before  trial,   requiring  evidentiary   hearings  and                                                               
additional time.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
New  Charges:   Defendants  may   incur  violations   of  release                                                             
conditions  or  prosecutors  may   add  charges  related  to  the                                                               
original conduct, creating new discovery requirements.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Discovery  Burdens:  Discovery   has  become  significantly  more                                                             
complex  over   the  past  decade,  largely   due  to  electronic                                                               
evidence. Phone and computer data  dumps can involve terabytes of                                                               
information   that   investigators,  prosecutors,   and   defense                                                               
attorneys must process. This has  made discovery a monumental and                                                               
time-consuming task  nationwide that is difficult  to streamline.                                                               
She said this is a hard one to fix.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:04:25 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN raised the issue  of delays caused by the assignment                                                               
of a  new attorney. He  sought confirmation that such  delays are                                                               
primarily defense requests.  He explained that if  a defendant is                                                               
ready  for trial  but  the prosecutor  handling  the case  leaves                                                               
their position,  the defense can  demand a speedy trial.  In that                                                               
circumstance,  the prosecution  might obtain  a short  extension,                                                               
but  the court  could  not  reasonably grant  a  year to  prepare                                                               
without infringing on the defendant's right to a speedy trial.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE  affirmed his  assessment. She  said when  a prosecutor                                                               
leaves  a  case,  the  court  may take  a  stricter  approach  to                                                               
granting continuances because  of the speedy trial  rule, which a                                                               
defendant  may choose  not  to waive.  She  noted, however,  that                                                               
attorneys  often extend  professional  courtesy  to one  another,                                                               
with  one side  agreeing to  continuances when  requested by  the                                                               
other. She  acknowledged that  while prosecutors  typically agree                                                               
to  defense requests  for  more time,  defense  attorneys do  not                                                               
always agree to  prosecutors' requests, for the  very reasons the                                                               
Chair outlined.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:05:52 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN observed  that late last year into  early this year,                                                               
the municipality faced a severe  shortage of prosecutors. Defense                                                               
attorneys refused  continuances, and prosecutors lacked  staff to                                                               
proceed to trial the next day.  As a result, cases were dismissed                                                               
at a statistically significant rate.  He said this was an example                                                               
of prosecutors requesting continuances  but the defense refusing.                                                               
He  expressed   his  belief   that  generally   continuances  are                                                               
requested by the defense.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE  agreed, clarifying  that in  those municipal  cases it                                                               
was  the  prosecution  dismissing  cases, not  the  court  ruling                                                               
Criminal  Rule 45  had expired.  She explained  that judges  face                                                               
difficult  choices when  new attorneys  appear and  request time,                                                               
citing lack  of discovery  or new motions.  While some  argue the                                                               
court  should deny  continuances, forcing  an unprepared  defense                                                               
attorney to trial  creates a strong appeal  point for ineffective                                                               
assistance  of counsel.  Appeals  add years  of delay,  requiring                                                               
additional attorneys  to review records  and brief the  case, and                                                               
often result  in remand to  the trial court. She  emphasized that                                                               
this outcome  is unsatisfactory for victims,  defendants, and the                                                               
system.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE  stated that although denying  continuances outright is                                                               
rarely a  viable solution, the  court is working to  reduce them.                                                               
She   pointed  to   presiding  judge   orders  included   in  the                                                               
committee's  packet  as evidence  that  courts  are signaling  to                                                               
parties that  continuance requests will be  scrutinized carefully                                                               
and must be well justified.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:08:43 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS  sought clarification about the  difference between                                                               
"off record continuances" and on record continuance                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MEADE  explained  that  an   off-record  continuance  was  a                                                               
practice  that  began during  COVID  when  counsel could  call  a                                                               
judge's chambers  and request more  time, often for  an extension                                                               
of several  months. If  there was no  objection, the  request was                                                               
granted with  less probing or  justification for the  reason. She                                                               
noted this  practice was intended  to minimize  in-person contact                                                               
during  the pandemic  but is  no longer  permitted in  Anchorage,                                                               
which was the main location where it occurred.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:09:57 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MEADE drew  attention to the "Amended PJ  Order #773," issued                                                               
in  2019. She  said this  felony pretrial  order illustrates  the                                                               
court   goal  of reducing case  disposition times  after superior                                                               
court  arraignment,  minimizing  the   number  of  hearings,  and                                                               
setting  realistic trial  schedules. Among  other provisions,  it                                                               
established  deadlines for  when discovery  shall be  provided to                                                               
the  defense.  She emphasized  that  the  pretrial order,  though                                                               
aspirational, allows  for extensions for  good cause, such  as an                                                               
unfinished  evidentiary   analysis  due  to  a   backlog  at  the                                                               
Scientific Crime Detection Laboratory.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE  said the pretrial  order set trial timelines  with the                                                               
expectation that:                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
•  A Class B or C felony involving crimes  against a person would                                                               
   go to trial within 12 months.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
•  A non-person  Class  B  felony would  go  to  trial within  10                                                               
   months.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
• A non-person Class C felony would go to trial within 9 months.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE reiterated that these  standards were set in 2019, then                                                               
the  pandemic  hit,  so  they  were not  adhered  to  very  long,                                                               
limiting their implementation.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:11:38 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MEADE drew  attention to PJ Order #1006. She  said this order                                                               
appears to be  working well in practice. PJ  Order #1006 reflects                                                               
the  Anchorage  Superior  Court  intention  to  follow  the  2019                                                               
pretrial order regarding  trial timeframes for Class  B and Class                                                               
C felony  offenses. It also sets  a maximum 60-day limit  for the                                                               
preindictment hearing (PIH) phase.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MEADE explained  that a  PIH applies  in felony  cases after                                                               
arrest,  whether by  warrant or  not. At  the arraignment,  under                                                               
Criminal  Rule   5,  the  defendant  shall   have  a  preliminary                                                               
examination within  20 days if out  of custody or within  10 days                                                               
if in custody.  This is a time period that  is routinely extended                                                               
during  the initial  10  to  20 days  while  the prosecution  and                                                               
defense review  their files and  negotiate potential  plea deals.                                                               
She said this  preindictment period is what the  court is focused                                                               
on shortening.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE  stated that PJ Order  #1006 limits the PIH  stage to a                                                               
maximum of 60  days, requires discovery to be  provided within 30                                                               
days, and  sets a  90-day deadline  for filing  pretrial motions.                                                               
These provisions are designed to move  Class B and C felony cases                                                               
more  quickly  to  trial  or resolution.  She  said  judges  have                                                               
reported that the order has  been very effective and that parties                                                               
are working to adhere to it.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:13:56 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  CLAMAN   asked  about   Criminal  Rule   5.1,  Preliminary                                                               
Examination,  and  how  it   relates  to  preindictment  hearings                                                               
(PIHs). He  noted that Alaska  differs from other  states because                                                               
the preliminary examination  is not an alternative to  going to a                                                               
grand jury. For example, in  California, the prosecution may take                                                               
a case to  either a preliminary examination or a  grand jury once                                                               
it reaches  a certain  point. In  Alaska, however,  a preliminary                                                               
examination does  not replace the  defendant's right to  be heard                                                               
by  a grand  jury. He  recalled that  when he  was practicing  in                                                               
criminal  courts 25  years  ago,  preliminary examinations  never                                                               
occurred.  If a  defendant requested  one, the  prosecution would                                                               
instead take  the case to a  grand jury because no  agreement had                                                               
been  reached, and  because the  preliminary examination  allowed                                                               
prosecutors  to  hold  a  defendant  in  jail  temporarily  while                                                               
waiting  for  a  grand  jury.   He  reiterated  that  preliminary                                                               
hearings  did  not happen.  He  asked  whether courts  today  are                                                               
actually conducting preliminary  examinations under Criminal Rule                                                               
5.1,  or if  the  practice  remains that  they  rarely occur  and                                                               
simply go to  grand jury if they cannot get  a continuance in the                                                               
preindictment stage.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MEADE  replied  that  at  least  in  Anchorage,  preliminary                                                               
examinations are rarely,  if ever, held for the  reason the Chair                                                               
described.  Prosecutors generally  prefer grand  jury indictments                                                               
because  there is  no defense  counsel  present, proceedings  are                                                               
secret, and they  are very successful at  getting indictments. By                                                               
contrast,   a   preliminary   examination   requires   presenting                                                               
witnesses and more.  She confirmed that if time in  the PIH phase                                                               
is not  extended, the case  will go  to grand jury  and hopefully                                                               
get an indictment.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:16:21 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  CLAMAN asked  a follow  up  question specific  to the  PIH                                                               
schedule. PJ Order  #1006 creates a maximum timeline  for Class B                                                               
and C felonies  in the PIH stage. He asked  whether the court has                                                               
imposed  limits  on Class  A  and  unclassified felonies  at  the                                                               
preindictment stage.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE replied not through any presiding judge orders.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN asked whether she knew why not.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE  replied that those  cases are individually  unique and                                                               
need a  lot more discretion  on the part  of the judge.  She said                                                               
those   cases  are   more  complicated,   with  more   witnesses,                                                               
scheduling problems, and getting  witnesses to show up, requiring                                                               
judges to  offer more  leeway. She  said the  number of  cases in                                                               
each of  these categories decreases  as they become  more severe,                                                               
so the bulk  of cases involve Class B and  C felonies compared to                                                               
Class A and unclassified felonies.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:17:41 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MEADE said  she misspoke and directed  attention to presiding                                                               
judge  order   ending  in  2405   titled   Order   Re:  Anchorage                                                               
Preindictment Hearing  Calendar.  She explained that  Class A and                                                               
unclassified felonies can  remain in the PIH phase  for no longer                                                               
than 180  days. Class B  and C felonies  are limited to  60 days,                                                               
and she  emphasized that  the period  does not  restart if  a new                                                               
public  defender or  new Office  of Public  Advocacy attorney  is                                                               
substituted, which is a change from prior practice.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MEADE stated  the  order also  provides  strict guidance  to                                                               
judges  and  attorneys on  what  constitutes  good cause  for  an                                                               
extension. The order  specifies that good cause  will not include                                                               
a  lack of  plea bargain  offer,  outstanding discovery,  ongoing                                                               
negotiations,  applications to  another  court,  new charges,  or                                                               
other pending  cases. The  order reflects  a strong  intention to                                                               
move cases forward.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:19:42 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL sought  clarification  about  discovery before  an                                                               
indictment.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MEADE replied  that  once a  defendant  has been  arraigned,                                                               
certain information  can be exchanged.  She explained  that under                                                               
the  felony  pretrial  order,  the  prosecution  is  required  to                                                               
provide discovery  no later than  30 days after  arraignment. She                                                               
expressed  uncertainty   about  the  exact  types   of  discovery                                                               
exchanged at that stage, surmising  it includes police reports or                                                               
other  materials.  She  emphasized that  discovery  is  exchanged                                                               
before indictment.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:20:31 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN referenced PJ Order  #1006, dated February 24, 2024,                                                               
and  the  order  ending  in  2405, dated  February  8,  2024.  He                                                               
wondered, with  respect to Class  B and C felonies,  whether they                                                               
are essentially the same.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MEADE replied  that both  orders concern  felonies and  were                                                               
implemented May 1. She expressed  her belief that they complement                                                               
each other.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:22:17 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:25:18 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN  reconvened the meeting  and agreed that  the orders                                                               
complement each other and do not change any requirements.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MEADE addressed  the presiding  judge order  on "off  record                                                               
continuances,"  explaining that  off record  continuances of  PIH                                                               
are no  longer permitted in  any court case. She  emphasized that                                                               
nobody in the  system likes delays, not  victims, not defendants,                                                               
not attorneys, and  not judges. She said everyone  wants to close                                                               
cases, and  the courts are  doing what  they can to  move matters                                                               
along.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:26:31 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL  asked  where the  legislature  should  focus  its                                                               
efforts  next in  determining how  to direct  state resources  to                                                               
reduce the number of pending cases.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MEADE  stated  that  the  court  system  is  not  requesting                                                               
additional  staff  this  year.  She said  in  the  coming  years,                                                               
perhaps  sooner  than  expected,   they  may  request  additional                                                               
superior court judges to handle  matters, particularly in Palmer.                                                               
She noted courtrooms are needed in  Palmer as well. She said that                                                               
depending  on  case  complexity  and  filing  levels,  additional                                                               
resources  may  be  needed  elsewhere.   She  said,  at  present,                                                               
judgeships are  adequate, and she  emphasized that cases  are not                                                               
delayed because of a lack of judges.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:28:05 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL clarified  that he  sought her  input beyond  what                                                               
resources the  court system has  or anticipates needing,  even if                                                               
not included  in this  year's budget  request. He  asked, looking                                                               
more broadly than the Alaska  Court System, where the legislature                                                               
should focus its efforts this year.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MEADE  replied that  she  was  grateful  not  to be  in  the                                                               
position of  making that  determination. She  stated that  if the                                                               
overall justice  system were funded  at a higher level,  and both                                                               
public  defenders and  prosecutors  had  much smaller  caseloads,                                                               
they might  not resign  as quickly  from being  overwhelmed. With                                                               
lighter  caseloads, they  could devote  more time  to each  case,                                                               
face fewer  scheduling conflicts, and review  their files earlier                                                               
in the process.  She summarized that if there were  twice as many                                                               
public defenders  and twice as  many prosecutors, cases  would go                                                               
faster. She  said that this  is probably  all she could  offer on                                                               
the matter.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:29:25 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL expressed  uncertainty that  twice as  many public                                                               
defenders and  prosecutors would  happen; however, he  said there                                                               
are steps the legislature could  take to help reduce turnover. He                                                               
said that could be something the legislature does this year.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:29:40 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS noted that recent  news reports have focused on the                                                               
impact  of  delays on  victims,  which  he  agreed is  a  serious                                                               
problem. He added  that delays also affect  defendants and create                                                               
troubling incentives  for both the  defense and  the prosecution.                                                               
He  emphasized that  while helping  victims is  a completely  and                                                               
totally  laudable  reason  to  address  the  issue,  its  broader                                                               
significance lies in how the  courts mete out justice overall. If                                                               
delays  last  longer than  the  potential  sentence, a  defendant                                                               
might plead guilty  simply to end the process,  even if innocent.                                                               
Conversely,  a  prosecutor  might  dismiss a  case  if  the  time                                                               
already served  equals or  exceeds the  likely sentence.  He said                                                               
either scenario amounts to a  miscarriage of justice. He stressed                                                               
that  no one  wants repeated  continuances or  trials continually                                                               
delayed,  and   that  addressing  this  problem   should  be  the                                                               
legislature's top priority.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MYERS cautioned  that this is one of the  few areas where                                                               
no  entity  outside  of  government   can  resolve  the  caseload                                                               
backlog. He  said that as  elected officials, legislators  have a                                                               
duty to focus on this, emphasizing that nobody else can.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:32:16 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  CLAMAN offered  observations  from his  own legal  career,                                                               
noting  that in  federal  criminal court,  continuances were  far                                                               
more difficult  to obtain than  in state  court. He said  that in                                                               
federal  court,  if a  party  could  demonstrate that  an  expert                                                               
witness was critical  to the trial and needed  months to prepare,                                                               
the  judge might  grant that  time. However,  if the  request was                                                               
based  on  needing  to  review   discovery  or  interview  a  few                                                               
witnesses, the court might only allow a week.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  expressed his belief  that federal courts  could be                                                               
strict because  both prosecution  and defense had  more resources                                                               
available,  especially  on  the  defense  side.  He  stated  that                                                               
federal  cases   tend  to  involve  more   serious  offenses  and                                                               
consequences, which is reflected in  the idiom, "Let's not make a                                                               
federal  case out  of it."  By  contrast, in  state court,  cases                                                               
considered  complex, such  as one  he prosecuted  involving large                                                               
quantities  of  marijuana  production,   were  expected  to  move                                                               
forward more quickly,  often prompting the parties  to reach plea                                                               
agreements. He said that while state  courts do not have the same                                                               
level of resources, sometimes that  lack of flexibility pressures                                                               
parties  to resolve  cases.  He said  this  observation does  not                                                               
fully  solve the  dilemma, but  believes court  management is  an                                                               
important factor, as is, resources.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:34:44 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN  said the written  pretrial orders are  an important                                                               
part of  how work is  conducted in the  courts. He noted  that he                                                               
had  emailed earlier  asking about  other districts  and received                                                               
the impression  that they  largely follow  Anchorage's direction.                                                               
He sought confirmation that this was accurate.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE replied yes.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:35:05 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN said  one of his questions, given the  high level of                                                               
public interest, is why the  pretrial orders, some in place since                                                               
2019, have not yet been  incorporated into the Criminal Rules. He                                                               
said  he  largely views  the  orders  as  good ideas,  and  their                                                               
incorporation  might provide  a uniform  application and  greater                                                               
clarity and  transparency for the  public about rules  that apply                                                               
statewide. He asked  what it would take for the  court to examine                                                               
incorporating the  pretrial orders  into the Criminal  Rules, and                                                               
what would that process look like from the court's perspective.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MEADE  replied  that  the  court  is  currently  considering                                                               
changes  to  Rule   45  based  on  the   presiding  judge  orders                                                               
discussed. She  explained that a  draft exists in prose  form and                                                               
was circulated  to judges for input  a few months ago.  She added                                                               
that the  Committee on Time  Standards plans to finalize  it into                                                               
Rule  language this  month  or in  March and  present  it to  the                                                               
Supreme  Court. She  characterized this  as a  good idea  that is                                                               
already underway.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:36:57 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN asked  when the court expects to  finalize the Court                                                               
Rule change. He  wanted to know if the court  would have it ready                                                               
within the next 15 months.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MEADE replied  that  it  would likely  be  sooner. She  said                                                               
though she  is not  the Court  Rules attorney,  the matter  is on                                                               
that  attorney's desk.  She anticipated  that within  a year,  or                                                               
perhaps even less, a modified rule  would come out of the Supreme                                                               
Court.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:38:01 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  CLAMAN  sought  confirmation  that the  court  intends  to                                                               
incorporate  the various  pretrial orders,  under review  in this                                                               
meeting, into  a Court  Rule amendment.  He clarified  that while                                                               
not  everything  in  the  current  orders  would  necessarily  be                                                               
included, the  rule would cover the  critical elements, providing                                                               
the  public with  assurance that  the court  had addressed  those                                                               
concerns.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE replied that she thought  that was fair. She noted that                                                               
presiding judges  may still  choose to  set shorter  timelines in                                                               
their  own  districts. Once  a  Court  Rule  is adopted  it  will                                                               
provide clear  guidance for judges and  attorneys on expectations                                                               
and procedures.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:38:56 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN introduced the next item, capital budget topics.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE stated  that the number one capital  budget priority is                                                               
renovation  and  expansion of  the  Palmer  Courthouse. The  plan                                                               
calls  for  adding three  new  courtrooms,  each with  a  judge's                                                               
chamber, space  for an assistant, and  a law clerk. She  said the                                                               
court system is seeking $22  million for the project, noting that                                                               
$7.2 million was received last year.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE explained  that the need is evident.  Palmer judges are                                                               
the  busiest  in  the  system. The  courthouse  has  the  highest                                                               
caseload per superior court judge  in the state, with 663 filings                                                               
per  judge,  over  200  more  than  the  statewide  average.  She                                                               
stressed that  the judges  are "busy, busy,  busy" and  could use                                                               
relief through additional courtrooms and judges.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:40:20 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS asked  about the possibility of  moving some trials                                                               
to Anchorage, noting it is only about a 45-minute drive.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE replied  that trials can sometimes be  moved, but venue                                                               
rules apply because parties have the  right to be tried by a jury                                                               
of  their   peers  in  their   community.  She  said   cases  are                                                               
occasionally reassigned,  such as when the  Valdez Superior Court                                                               
judge  or   an  Anchorage  judge  travels   to  Palmer.  However,                                                               
Anchorage judges  also carry  full calendars,  so this  option is                                                               
limited.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE  said the court  system does  not have any  judges with                                                               
excess  capacity;  however,  pro  tempore  judges  are  regularly                                                               
assigned  to Palmer.  One has  served  for three  months, not  to                                                               
replace an absent  judge, but to help take cases.  She noted that                                                               
the  Palmer  Courthouse has  four  superior  court judges,  three                                                               
district  court judges,  and three  magistrates,  but only  eight                                                               
courtrooms  and  four  jury deliberation  rooms.  This  caps  the                                                               
number  of simultaneous  jury  trials at  four  and limits  other                                                               
proceedings to eight at once.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE  said that  because a  judge is  not constantly  on the                                                               
bench, there is a lot of  shuffling and inefficiency. That is why                                                               
the court  system seeks three  additional courtrooms,  to provide                                                               
the capacity needed and reduce those inefficiencies.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:42:24 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  CLAMAN  asked  whether,  if  the  capital  improvement  is                                                               
approved  and  the three  additional  courtrooms  are built,  the                                                               
request would then  be for one additional judge  in Palmer rather                                                               
than three.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE replied that it will  depend on timing. If the money is                                                               
secured and construction is completed  in FY27 or FY28, the court                                                               
system  would request  at  least one  additional  judge. If  case                                                               
filings  continue to  increase, they  might need  to request  two                                                               
Palmer  superior court  judges  at  once or  more.  She said  the                                                               
decision will depend on actual data not yet available.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:43:13 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL said  he  reviewed the  Office  of Management  and                                                               
Budget (OMB) website  and saw limited funding  for court security                                                               
projects.  He  asked whether  the  court  system's full  list  of                                                               
security project requests had been forwarded to the legislature.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE replied  that the court system  submits budget requests                                                               
to OMB  in late  fall for inclusion  in the  governor's operating                                                               
and capital budgets.  Not all of those requests made  it into the                                                               
published documents  for legislative consideration. She  said the                                                               
court system believes its requests  should reach the legislature,                                                               
but the administration apparently disagrees.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:44:11 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL asked  that she  send the  court system's  capital                                                               
budget request, including scope, timing, and price tags, to him.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:44:25 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN requested that she  also send those documents to the                                                               
Judiciary Committee too.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:44:30 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL commented that it  is a longstanding tradition that                                                               
the  governor passes  the court  system operating  budget request                                                               
along to  the legislature  as a courtesy.  He asked  whether that                                                               
was done or if it was also modified.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE replied that it was modified downward.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:44:53 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL asked  to review the court  system's budget request                                                               
that  the administration  forwarded, rather  than those  prepared                                                               
internally by the courts.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE replied that she  would gather those documents and that                                                               
associate  counsel,   from  the  Administrative   Offices,  would                                                               
deliver the information directly to his office.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:45:18 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN requested  those documents be sent  to the Judiciary                                                               
Committee as well.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN asked whether any  of the superior court or district                                                               
court judges in the Juneau  Dimond Courthouse share courtrooms or                                                               
if each judge has their own.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE replied that judges  have their own courtroom in almost                                                               
every courthouse, if  not every single courthouse.  She said this                                                               
allows  judges   the  flexibility   needed  for   scheduling  and                                                               
planning.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:46:02 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN asked specifically  about Juneau, confirming that if                                                               
he  went into  courtroom 3,  the same  judge would  preside there                                                               
except in rare cases.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE replied yes.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN  sought  confirmation  that the  same  is  true  in                                                               
Anchorage. He  asked if he  went into an Anchorage  courtroom, in                                                               
either courthouse,  the same judge would  typically preside there                                                               
99 percent of the time.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE replied yes.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN asked  whether Palmer is the only  courthouse in the                                                               
state where judges must share courtrooms.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE  replied yes and  no. She  said, to her  knowledge, the                                                               
judges in  Palmer generally have assigned  courtrooms, except for                                                               
magistrate  judges,  who  must   locate  an  empty  courtroom  or                                                               
coordinate with another judge who will be away.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:47:05 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS  asked whether there  is a cost  difference between                                                               
employing full-time judges and using  pro tempore judges. He also                                                               
asked whether there are staffing  needs that make one option more                                                               
expensive than the other.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE replied  that superior court judges  receive health and                                                               
retirement  benefits,   which  makes  them  more   expensive.  By                                                               
contrast,  pro tempore  judges  are retired  and  do not  receive                                                               
those same  health benefits. A  superior court judge also  has an                                                               
assistant and a law clerk,  whereas retired judges rarely receive                                                               
law clerk support  and typically rely only  on limited assistance                                                               
for some administrative matters. She  said pro tempore judges are                                                               
cheaper   and   paid  a   capped   daily   rate  established   by                                                               
Administrative Rules, which  is less than what  a full-time judge                                                               
earns.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:48:20 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS  asked about the  role of  a law clerk,  noting his                                                               
interest  in whether  the absence  of  a clerk  could affect  the                                                               
quality  of proceedings.  He  referenced  earlier comments  about                                                               
continuances  and appeals,  and asked  whether a  defendant could                                                               
argue that  a judge lacking a  law clerk meant the  trial was not                                                               
properly conducted or adequately resourced.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MEADE replied  that she  did not  believe so.  She explained                                                               
that a  law clerk is typically  a recent law school  graduate who                                                               
assists a  judge with  legal research and  writing. When  a judge                                                               
serves  in a  pro tempore  capacity,  the law  clerk has  already                                                               
completed most  of the motion  work requiring legal  research. If                                                               
there is  more legal  research and  writing to  be done,  the pro                                                               
tempore judge agrees  to do it, him or herself.  If a novel legal                                                               
issue arises,  the presiding judge  may temporarily assign  a law                                                               
clerk for assistance.  She emphasized that a lack of  a law clerk                                                               
does not  mean a  judge is ill-prepared.  She clarified  that the                                                               
court always provides an in-court  clerk to handle administrative                                                               
duties,  such  as  managing paperwork,  ensuring  the  record  is                                                               
maintained, and operating the phone system.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:49:50 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MEADE continued the discussion  regarding Palmer, noting that                                                               
the area's  population has  increased by  50 percent  since 2006,                                                               
which was the  last time an additional judge  was assigned there.                                                               
Projections  indicate  continued  growth   in  that  region.  She                                                               
reported that  case disposition times for  criminal and child-in-                                                               
need-of-aid matters  in Palmer are in  line with the rest  of the                                                               
state.  However,  family  law  cases  are  significantly  delayed                                                               
because  criminal matters  take priority,  often forcing  custody                                                               
cases  to be  postponed. She  said this  is not  satisfactory for                                                               
anyone involved but  illustrates how busy the  Palmer judges are.                                                               
Domestic  relations  cases  take  nearly  50  percent  longer  to                                                               
resolve in Palmer than in other courts.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE said other capital budget requests include:                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
•  $2.15 million for court security projects.  She noted that the                                                               
   governor's capital budget requested $1 million.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
• $3.525 million for deferred maintenance in state-owned                                                                        
   facilities that the court system operates. She noted that no                                                                 
   deferred maintenance funding was received last year.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE said the court system capital budget does not include:                                                                
                                                                                                                                
• Funding for a courthouse in Sitka; although Sitka needs a new                                                                 
   courthouse, the location previously under consideration is no                                                                
   longer available.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
• Funding for the Bethel Justice Center; this remains an ongoing                                                                
   project under joint exploration with the executive branch, and                                                               
   alternative funding sources are being pursued outside the                                                                    
   current capital budget request.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:52:35 PM                                                                                                                    
There being no further business to come before the committee,                                                                   
Chair Claman adjourned the Senate Judiciary Standing Committee                                                                  
meeting at 2:52 p.m.