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03/15/2024 01:30 PM Senate JUDICIARY

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01:30:56 PM Start
01:31:51 PM Confirmations Confirmation Hearings Alaska Police Standards Council
01:43:16 PM Confirmations Confirmation Hearings State Commission for Human Rights
01:54:12 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Consideration of Governor’s Appointees: TELECONFERENCED
Dusty Dumont, Alaska Police Standards Council
Rebecca Carrillo & William Craig,
State Commission for Human Rights
-- Invited & Public Testimony --
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE JUDICIARY STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         March 15, 2024                                                                                         
                           1:30 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Matt Claman, Chair                                                                                                      
Senator Jesse Kiehl, Vice Chair                                                                                                 
Senator James Kaufman                                                                                                           
Senator Löki Tobin                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Cathy Giessel                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CONFIRMATION HEARING(S)                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ALASKA POLICE STANDARDS COUNCIL                                                                                               
Dusty Dumont - Juneau                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATION ADVANCED                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STATE COMMISSION FOR HUMAN RIGHTS                                                                                             
Rebecca Carrillo - Auke Bay                                                                                                     
William Craig - Sitka                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATIONS ADVANCED                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DUSTY DUMONT, Appointee                                                                                                         
Alaska Police Standards Council                                                                                                 
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified as the governor's appointee to the                                                              
Alaska Police Standards Council.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REBECCA CARRILLO, Appointee                                                                                                     
State Commission for Human Rights                                                                                               
Auke Bay, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified as  the governor's appointee to the                                                             
State Commission for Human Rights.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
WILLIAM CRAIG, Appointee                                                                                                        
State Commission for Human Rights                                                                                               
Sitka, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified as  the governor's appointee to the                                                             
State Commission for Human Rights.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:30:56 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MATT CLAMAN called the  Senate Judiciary Standing Committee                                                             
meeting to order  at 1:30 p.m. Present at the  call to order were                                                               
Senators Kaufman, Kiehl, and Chair  Claman. Senator Tobin arrived                                                               
immediately thereafter.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
^confirmations  CONFIRMATION  HEARINGS  ALASKA  POLICE  STANDARDS                                                               
COUNCIL                                                                                                                         
                     CONFIRMATION HEARINGS                                                                                  
                ALASKA POLICE STANDARDS COUNCIL                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:31:51 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN  announced consideration of Dusty  Dumont, appointee                                                               
to the Alaska Police Standards  Council. He invited Ms. Dumont to                                                               
begin her testimony.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:32:14 PM                                                                                                                    
DUSTY  DUMONT,   Appointee,  Alaska  Police   Standards  Council,                                                               
Juneau,  Alaska, testified  as  the governor's  appointee to  the                                                               
Alaska Police  Standards Council.  She provided a  brief overview                                                               
of  her  employment  history,   education,  and  background.  She                                                               
expressed  strong   support  for  the  Alaska   Police  Standards                                                               
Council's mission  and core services,  stating that  her personal                                                               
values align with its goals. She  noted that it has been an honor                                                               
and privilege  to serve  on the  Council and  that she  takes the                                                               
appointment  seriously. She  thanked the  committee for  its time                                                               
and consideration.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:34:13 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR TOBIN joined the meeting.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:34:56 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  CLAMAN  asked  whether  she  is a  new  appointee  to  the                                                               
Council.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. DUMONT replied that this is a new appointment.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN  asked whether  she  is  currently serving  on  the                                                               
Council.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. DUMONT replied in the affirmative.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:35:12 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  asked what the  greatest needs of the  Council are                                                               
in terms of its work.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. DUMONT  replied that the  Council faces  multiple challenges,                                                               
such as:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
- High vacancy rates among probation officers.                                                                                  
  She  stated staffing  shortages has  led  to a  high number  of                                                               
  caseloads, causing  the  Department of  Corrections to  operate                                                               
  more reactively than proactively.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
- Substance abuse plagues communities.                                                                                          
  She highlighted a  successful program in Palmer  called  Crisis                                                               
  Now,  which provides  early intervention services.  The program                                                               
  offers alternatives to incarceration,  peer support, and mental                                                               
  health clinicians who  engage directly with individuals  in the                                                               
  field. She emphasized that expanding similar programs statewide                                                               
  could have  a meaningful  impact. She  expressed hope  that the                                                               
  State would  move in that  direction. She added  that substance                                                               
  abuse treatment  often addresses  underlying issues  beyond the                                                               
  addiction.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:37:08 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL asked  where the legislature should  focus its next                                                               
efforts  with  respect  to  the needs  of  officers  the  Council                                                               
certifies.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DUMONT expressed  her  belief that  officers  not only  need                                                               
initial  training  but  ongoing training  to  maintain  statewide                                                               
standards  for all  Council  certified  officers. She  emphasized                                                               
that training  needs to  hit home, hit  hard, and  be consistent.                                                               
Practices  that  are  repeated  become  natural  to  people.  She                                                               
believes training would be a good focus for the Council.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:38:16 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  TOBIN  referenced  a  past  decline  in  the  number  of                                                               
discretionary  parolees and  asked  for her  perspective on  that                                                               
trend.  She  inquired about  potential  practices  that could  be                                                               
implemented  to  help  ensure individuals  were  successful  once                                                               
discretionary parole was granted.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. DUMONT  replied that supervisors hold  discretionary parolees                                                               
to a  higher standard  and greater  level of  accountability than                                                               
mandatory   parolees   because    discretionary   parole   allows                                                               
individuals to serve part of their sentence in the community.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:39:06 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN sought clarification, asking  which group is held to                                                               
a higher standard and which is supervised more closely.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DUMONT replied  that  mandatory parolees  are  subject to  a                                                               
standard  set  of  conditions,  and  a  few  of  them  apply.  In                                                               
contrast, the State  Board of Parole may  impose other conditions                                                               
on discretionary parolees,  such as placement in  a halfway house                                                               
prior to transitioning to electronic monitoring.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. DUMONT  explained that for  long-term offenders,  a step-down                                                               
program is often  essential. The pace of change  in society, such                                                               
as reliance on  cell phones, can be  overwhelming for individuals                                                               
who  have  spent  extended  periods  of  time  incarcerated.  She                                                               
expressed her  belief that  better equipping  individuals through                                                               
structured transitions  can improve outcomes. She  cited positive                                                               
results with peer-to-peer support programs.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. DUMONT  expressed her belief  that the State Board  of Parole                                                               
should  not grant  discretionary  parole to  every individual  as                                                               
some   should  absolutely   remain  incarcerated.   However,  she                                                               
emphasized  the value  of programming  while in  custody. If  the                                                               
Parole Board  asks individuals to  complete programming  and they                                                               
do  so successfully,  a gradual  transition  through a  step-down                                                               
approach may  be more  effective than  direct release.  She noted                                                               
that  returning   home  can  be  overwhelming;   individuals  are                                                               
immediately  faced  with  bills, family  demands,  and  children.                                                               
There are  expectations that many  are not ready  for, especially                                                               
those who left a little bit  of a destructive path behind them on                                                               
their way to jail.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:41:08 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR TOBIN  remarked that she  had seen a  recommendation last                                                               
year  to lower  the  minimum age  requirement  for Department  of                                                               
Corrections (DOC)  officers. She noted that  individuals entering                                                               
the profession  at a  younger age may  still be  undergoing brain                                                               
development.  This  could  affect their  decision-making  and  it                                                               
raises concerns about  how past behaviors may  surface once hired                                                               
in that  role. She asked  about her thoughts on  age requirements                                                               
and how that dynamic might play out in this line of work.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DUMONT said  these  are important  questions  and should  be                                                               
considered carefully. She  replied that she has  seen very mature                                                               
18-year-olds as  well as very immature  29-year-olds and believes                                                               
the key  focus should be  on the screening and  training process.                                                               
She acknowledged that  there are risks to  hiring individuals who                                                               
may be more impressionable. She stated  that she worked in a jail                                                               
and  the  environment can  be  manipulative.  She  said it  is  a                                                               
business  like  one  she  had   never  seen  and  emphasized  the                                                               
importance of being aware and protective.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DUMONT expressed  her belief  that it  is important  to pair                                                               
young officers  with senior officers  who can help  their juniors                                                               
glean some  expertise and help  them recognize warning  signs and                                                               
patterns  of  inmate  behavior.  She  believes  this  would  help                                                               
prevent younger  staff from becoming involved  in situations that                                                               
could cause  harm. She  expressed her belief  that the  lower age                                                               
requirement  would interest  only a  small population  of younger                                                               
recruits.   Perhaps  those   preparing  for   a  career   in  law                                                               
enforcement but are not yet 21  and old enough to move forward in                                                               
other roles.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^confirmations CONFIRMATION  HEARINGS STATE COMMISSION  FOR HUMAN                                                               
RIGHTS                                                                                                                          
                     CONFIRMATION HEARINGS                                                                                  
               STATE COMMISSION FOR HUMAN RIGHTS                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:43:16 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  CLAMAN   announced  consideration  of   Rebecca  Carrillo,                                                               
appointee to  the State Commission  for Human Rights.  He invited                                                               
Ms. Carrillo  to state her name  for the record and  proceed with                                                               
her testimony.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:43:44 PM                                                                                                                    
REBECCA CARRILLO,  Appointee, State Commission for  Human Rights,                                                               
Auke  Bay, Alaska,  testified as  a governor's  appointee to  the                                                               
State  Commission for  Human Rights.  She  stated that  she is  a                                                               
reappointee.  She provided  a brief  overview  of her  employment                                                               
history, education, and background.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:49:52 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN  expressed appreciation to Ms.  Carrillo for joining                                                               
the committee.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:49:54 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN announced consideration  of William Craig, appointee                                                               
to the  State Commission for  Human Rights. He invited  Mr. Craig                                                               
to state his name for the record and proceed with his testimony.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:50:11 PM                                                                                                                    
WILLIAM  CRAIG, Appointee,  State  Commission  for Human  Rights,                                                               
Sitka, Alaska, testified  as a governor's appointee  to the State                                                               
Commission for Human Rights. He  said this is a reappointment; he                                                               
has served  five years on the  Commission thus far. He  was chair                                                               
for one of  those years. He said  it has been an  honor to serve.                                                               
He provided a brief overview of his employment history.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:50:45 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN  commented that  the committee  had made  efforts to                                                               
obtain a copy  of his resume and confirmed that  it was received.                                                               
He asked whether it was acceptable  for the committee to have the                                                               
resume on file.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. CRAIG replied yes.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:51:10 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN asked him to  share a Commission experience that was                                                               
particularly satisfying  or interesting during his  five years of                                                               
service.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CRAIG  replied that  it  has  been a  personally  satisfying                                                               
period of rebuilding.  He recalled that when he  first joined the                                                               
Commission it was  difficult, explaining at one  point there were                                                               
only two commissioners and no  executive director. The Commission                                                               
now has an  executive director and he  praised Executive Director                                                               
Robert  Corbisier  for doing  an  excellent  job. He  noted  that                                                               
staffing  had  been a  challenge,  as  employees often  left  for                                                               
higher-paying  positions to  support  their  families. He  stated                                                               
that  serving on  the  Commission has  been  satisfying work  and                                                               
shared that  the Commission received  a clean  legislative review                                                               
in 2022, the year he served as chair.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:52:36 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   CLAMAN  opened   public  testimony   on  the   governor's                                                               
appointees; finding none, he closed public testimony.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:53:09 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN solicited a motion.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:53:11 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL stated [that in  accordance with AS 39.05.080,] the                                                               
Senate Judiciary  Standing Committee  reviewed the  following and                                                               
recommends the appointments  be forwarded to a  joint session for                                                               
consideration:                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Alaska Police Standards Council                                                                                               
Dusty Dumont - Juneau                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
State Commission for Human Rights                                                                                             
Rebecca Carrillo - Auke Bay                                                                                                     
William Craig - Sitka                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL  reminded  members   that  signing  the  report(s)                                                               
regarding  appointments  to  boards  and commissions  in  no  way                                                               
reflects  individual  members'  approval or  disapproval  of  the                                                               
appointees;  the nominations  are  merely forwarded  to the  full                                                               
legislature for confirmation or rejection.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:53:40 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN said the appointee's  names will be forwarded to the                                                               
joint session.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:54:12 PM                                                                                                                    
There being  no further  business to  come before  the committee,                                                               
Chair Claman  adjourned the  Senate Judiciary  Standing Committee                                                               
meeting at 1:54 p.m.