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02/17/2023 01:30 PM Senate JUDICIARY

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01:31:21 PM Presentation: Public Defender Agency Overview
02:13:39 PM Adjourn
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE JUDICIARY STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                       February 17, 2023                                                                                        
                           1:30 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Matt Claman, Chair                                                                                                      
Senator Jesse Kiehl, Vice Chair                                                                                                 
Senator James Kaufman                                                                                                           
Senator Cathy Giessel                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Löki Tobin                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: PUBLIC DEFENDER AGENCY OVERVIEW                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SAMANTHA CHEROT, Public Defender                                                                                                
Public Defender Agency                                                                                                          
Department of Administration                                                                                                    
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Provided the Public Defender Agency                                                                       
Overview.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:30:43 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MATT CLAMAN called the Senate Judiciary Standing Committee                                                              
meeting to order at 1:30 p.m. Present at the call to order were                                                                 
Senators Kaufman, Giessel, Kiehl and Chair Claman.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: Public Defender Agency Overview                                                                                  
         PRESENTATION: Public Defender Agency Overview                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:31:21 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN announced  the consideration of the  State of Alaska                                                               
Department of Administration Public Defender Agency Overview.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SAMANTHA  CHEROT,   Public  Defender,  Public   Defender  Agency,                                                               
Department   of  Administration,   Anchorage,  Alaska,   provided                                                               
testimony for  the Public Defender  Agency. She began  with slide                                                               
2, "Public Defender Agency: Overview."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
      Mission: To provide constitutionally mandated legal                                                                     
      representation to indigent clients appointed by the                                                                       
     court.                                                                                                                     
        • 83   percent   -85   percent   of   all   indigent                                                                    
          appointments are handled by the Public Defender                                                                       
          Agency                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          Criminal Litigation                                                                                                 
             o Misdemeanors                                                                                                     
             o Felonies                                                                                                         
             o Petitions to revoke                                                                                              
             o probation & parole                                                                                               
             o Juvenile Delinquency                                                                                             
             o 5th Amendment                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
          Civil Litigation                                                                                                    
             o Child in Need of Aid                                                                                             
             o Commitment                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
          Post-Conviction                                                                                                     
             o Appeals                                                                                                          
                  square4 Merit, Bail, Sentence                                                                                 
                  square4 Petitions for postconviction relief                                                                   
                    (PCR)                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
          Administration                                                                                                      
             o Management                                                                                                       
                  square4 Legislation                                                                                           
                  square4 Operations                                                                                            
                  square4 Budget & Accounting                                                                                   
                  square4 Records                                                                                               
                  square4 AmeriCorps/HDP                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHEROT  mentioned partnerships with the  Alaska Mental Health                                                               
Trust and Alaska Legal Services  to address civil issues and non-                                                               
legal barriers.  The services address serious  challenges such as                                                               
food  insecurity, housing  and substance  abuse treatment.  These                                                               
efforts help decrease recidivism.  Funding from the Alaska Mental                                                               
Health Trust contributes  to one position in  Bethel, one serving                                                               
Nome and  Kotzebue and  a future position  for the  Matsu valley.                                                               
She mentioned the  AmeriCorps Program, which is  funded through a                                                               
federal grant providing an additional 10 positions.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:36:03 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. CHEROT moved to slide 3, "Public Defender Agency."                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Office         Attorneys                                                                                                 
     Anchorage      57                                                                                                          
     Bethel         8                                                                                                           
     Dillingham     2                                                                                                           
     Fairbanks      16                                                                                                          
     Juneau         5                                                                                                           
     Kenai          9                                                                                                           
     Ketchikan      4                                                                                                           
     Kodiak         2                                                                                                           
     Kotzebue       2                                                                                                           
     Nome           3                                                                                                           
     Palmer         12                                                                                                          
     Sitka          1                                                                                                           
     Utqiagvik      0                                                                                                           
     Total          121                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:37:28 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. CHEROT continued with slide 4, "Public Defender Agency:                                                                     
Challenges."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Workload                                                                                                                 
   • COVID-19 Backlog                                                                                                           
   • Average number of cases assigned to each attorney in                                                                       
     FY23 with full staffing is projected to be 154 for all                                                                     
     attorneys, 172 for trial attorneys                                                                                         
   • New Caseload standards to be published this year, NAC                                                                      
     set at 150 in the '70s                                                                                                     
   • Juvenile appointments are up 25 percent statewide                                                                          
   • Projected 18,000 new cases appointed to the Public                                                                         
     Defender Agency in 2023                                                                                                    
   • 11,790 cases are open currently                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN asked about increases in juvenile cases.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHEROT opined that the increases in juvenile cases was due                                                                  
to the Covid-19 pandemic. The juvenile filings decreased through                                                                
the pandemic, so the recent increase may reflect a backlog.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:41:23 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  CHEROT  continued with  slide  5,  "Public Defender  Agency:                                                               
Challenges." She  thanked the legislature and  the administration                                                               
for the  impact of  HB 226 on  attorney retention.  She recounted                                                               
several  recent applications  from third-year  law students.  The                                                               
newer attorneys require additional  training and supervision. All                                                               
of the department attorneys are  facing backlogs, which increases                                                               
case complexity.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Retention & Recruitment                                                                                                  
     • ? in highly skilled and experienced attorneys                                                                            
     • ? training and supervision needs                                                                                         
     • ? backlog of misdemeanor & felony cases                                                                                  
     • ? backlog of serious felony trials                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     -  30 percent  of  trial attorneys  have the  necessary                                                                    
     training   and  experience   to  handle   most  serious                                                                    
     felonies  unclassified and A felonies                                                                                      
     - 40  percent of  the agency  attorneys have  been with                                                                    
     the agency  for less than  three years, mostly  for one                                                                    
     to two years                                                                                                               
     -  15 attorney  positions currently  vacant out  of 121                                                                    
     (12 percent).                                                                                                              
     -  9  of  these   vacancies  candidates  have  accepted                                                                    
     positions  and  start  with the  agency  March  through                                                                    
     September 2023                                                                                                             
     - An  additional 4-5 third year  law student applicants                                                                    
     are currently under consideration  or have been offered                                                                    
     positions                                                                                                                  
     -  7  vacant  support  staff positions  out  of  91  (8                                                                    
     percent)                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:45:39 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL  wondered  about hiring  attorneys  without  trial                                                               
experience  during  the  pandemic.   He  asked  about  the  trial                                                               
experience needed to move up in the department.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CHEROT  responded that  various  states  provide data  about                                                               
private attorney  advancement. She explained that  three years of                                                               
criminal defense work was required  before an attorney had enough                                                               
experience to try felonies.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL asked about factors driving attorney promotions.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHEROT  responded that the  agency considers both  the person                                                               
and  their  experience  level  when  considering  promotions.  An                                                               
attorney might be eligible and  interested in a promotion if they                                                               
mastered  a caseload  and feel  prepared for  greater challenges.                                                               
Benefits  of promotion  include reduced  caseloads and  increased                                                               
pay. The promotion criteria is objective.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:49:30 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. CHEROT moved to slide  6, "Public Defender Agency: Bethel and                                                               
Nome Unclassified and Class A Felonies."                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
   • 2/13/23 PDA not accepting new appointments                                                                                 
        o Average of 225 cases per attorney opened in Nome                                                                      
          in FY23 (with full staffing)                                                                                          
        o Average of 199 cases per attorney opened in                                                                           
          Bethel in FY23 (with full staffing)                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
   • Actions to reduce current caseloads                                                                                        
        o Redistribution of cases to other attorneys in the                                                                     
          Agency                                                                                                                
             square4 Increases travel costs                                                                                     
             square4 May impact retention                                                                                       
        o Contract cases to private attorneys                                                                                   
             square4 Increased costs                                                                                            
        o Increase retention of new attorneys so they will                                                                      
         gain the experience to handle these case types                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
   • New case appointments after notice issued:                                                                                 
        o Court may continue to appoint Public Defender                                                                         
          Agency to cases                                                                                                       
        o Court may appoint Office of Public Advocacy                                                                           
        o Court may use Court Rule 12e to appoint private                                                                       
          counsel                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:53:48 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  CLAMAN clarified  the statement  about contract  and staff                                                               
attorneys.  He asked  if the  agency would  offer cases  or staff                                                               
attorneys following the  court assignment. He was  unable to hear                                                               
Ms. Cherot for a brief period of audio technical difficulty.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CHEROT   responded  that  the   court  assignments   may  be                                                               
challenged if staff is unavailable.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:54:37 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  asked about  the caseloads  and staffing  needs in                                                               
Nome and  Bethel. He  wondered about  the average  trial attorney                                                               
caseload.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHEROT replied that she  continues to advocate for additional                                                               
positions, but the challenge lies  in filling vacancies. Nome had                                                               
two attorneys in the office so  the third position is new. Bethel                                                               
added  two  or three  positions.  Filling  vacancies may  require                                                               
remote  staffing,  which  is  not  ideal.  She  added  that  some                                                               
Anchorage attorneys  accept cases in  Bethel and Nome  because of                                                               
staffing shortages.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:56:50 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GIESSEL asked  about establishing a law  school in Alaska                                                               
to help address the attorney shortages.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CHEROT replied  that Seattle  University had  a law  program                                                               
with  Alaskan connections.  She agreed  that a  state law  school                                                               
would  benefit  recruitment  efforts. She  mentioned  efforts  to                                                               
lower the  bar exam  pass score for  state agency  attorneys. The                                                               
effort was  approved by the Board  of Governors and slated  for a                                                               
future  Supreme  Court ruling.  A  reduction  in the  pass  score                                                               
increases the states competitive advantage.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:58:40 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GIESSEL  appreciated  learning about  the  reduced  pass                                                               
score incentive. She  added that other professions  in Alaska are                                                               
also in short supply and advocating for national licensure.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHEROT  opined that the  suggestion of national  licensure is                                                               
advantageous for attorneys. She  mentioned the Universal Bar Exam                                                               
(UBE) that can  be taken in various locations  where scores apply                                                               
nationally.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:00:03 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN offered  to speak more with  Senator Giessel about                                                               
the issue later.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL  asked about  the Public  Defender Agencys   use of                                                               
contract attorneys.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHEROT replied that contractors  are much more expensive than                                                               
staff  attorneys.  Internal  staff attorneys  receive  mentorship                                                               
from  experienced staff.  She noted  that contract  attorneys are                                                               
difficult  to hire,  the  pool is  shrinking.  Many agencies  are                                                               
contracting   with  private   attorneys  because   of  nationwide                                                               
shortages.  She mentioned  efforts  to  notify private  attorneys                                                               
about agency  work opportunities.  She expected the  situation to                                                               
improve by summer or fall of  2023 when the newly hired attorneys                                                               
are available.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL asked how many  cases are contracted out to private                                                               
practice attorneys.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CHEROT replied  that the  agency establishes  contracts with                                                               
private  attorneys  approximately  2  percent of  the  time.  She                                                               
pointed  to  early data  from  FY  23 where  private  contractors                                                               
handled 16 unclassified A felonies,  27 B felonies, 56 D felonies                                                               
and 160 misdemeanors. The agency  requires expertise for the more                                                               
serious cases. The private contracts  are not lucrative, but many                                                               
private attorneys accept cases to help the public defenders.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:04:07 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  CLAMAN asked  if  the agency  is bound  by  the Office  of                                                               
Public  Advocacy  hourly contract  rates.  He  wondered how  much                                                               
contract attorneys are paid.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHEROT replied  that contract rates were similar  to those of                                                               
the Office  of Public Advocacy,  but the  agency is not  bound by                                                               
the same  limitations. The  agency increased  rates significantly                                                               
to remain  competitive with  the federal rate  of $164  per hour.                                                               
The case cap  was also increased; however,  some attorneys prefer                                                               
a flat rate.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:06:08 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KAUFMAN  asked  about a  formally  designed  contracting                                                               
plan. He asked if the plan allows for scalability of staff.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHEROT  replied that  the goal  is to  be fully  staffed. She                                                               
added  that the  agency did  not have  a budget  for contracting.                                                               
Contracting dollars are  reserved for vacancies, but  in light of                                                               
the current  staffing crisis, supplemental funding  is designated                                                               
for private attorneys.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN asked  how the agencys  hourly rate  of $150 dollars                                                               
an  hour  compares  with  hourly  earnings  of  private  practice                                                               
criminal defense attorneys in Alaska.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHEROT replied  that compensation is based  on experience. An                                                               
experienced criminal defense attorney  in the Anchorage community                                                               
charges $300 - $500 per hour.  A new attorney might start at $250                                                               
per hour.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:09:34 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL  spoke  about  the  importance  of  mentoring  new                                                               
attorneys.  He asked  how the  agency  plans to  train the  newly                                                               
hired legal staff.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHEROT responded that the  upcoming supplemental funding will                                                               
provide additional resources for  travel and a training director.                                                               
She  remarked  that  the  most  experienced  attorneys  have  the                                                               
highest caseloads while also  possessing the necessary experience                                                               
for  mentoring.   She  pointed  to  the   agencys   new  attorney                                                               
training,  broken  into  two  segments.  A  thorough  orientation                                                               
followed by  trial-skill workshops.  She anticipated  approval of                                                               
the new training director position.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:13:39 PM                                                                                                                    
There being  no further  business to  come before  the committee,                                                               
Chair Claman  adjourned the  Senate Judiciary  Standing Committee                                                               
meeting at 2:13 PM.                                                                                                             

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Public Defender Agency Overview to Senate Judiciary 2.17.2023.pdf SJUD 2/17/2023 1:30:00 PM