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01/30/2024 03:30 PM Senate HEALTH & SOCIAL SERVICES

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03:31:30 PM Presentation: Alaska's 80th Percentile Regulation by the Division of Insurance
04:33:40 PM Adjourn
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
      SENATE HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                    
                        January 30, 2024                                                                                        
                           3:30 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator David Wilson, Chair                                                                                                     
Senator James Kaufman, Vice Chair                                                                                               
Senator Löki Tobin                                                                                                              
Senator Forrest Dunbar                                                                                                          
Senator Cathy Giessel                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALASKA'S 80TH PERCENTILE REGULATION BY THE DIVISION OF INSURANCE                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
LORI WING-HEIER, Director                                                                                                       
Division of Insurance                                                                                                           
Department of Commerce, Community, and                                                                                          
Economic Development (DCCED)                                                                                                    
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Offered a presentation on Alaska's 80th                                                                   
Percentile Regulation.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:30:57 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DAVID  WILSON called the  Senate Health and  Social Services                                                            
Standing Committee  meeting to order  at 3:30 p.m. Present  at the                                                              
call to order  were Senators Kaufman, Dunbar, Tobin,  Giessel, and                                                              
Chair Wilson.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: ALASKA'S 80TH PERCENTILE REGULATION BY THE                                                                       
DIVISION OF INSURANCE                                                                                                           
                         PRESENTATION:                                                                                      
              ALASKA'S 80TH PERCENTILE REGULATION                                                                           
                  BY THE DIVISION OF INSURANCE                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:31:30 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR WILSON announced the consideration of the presentation                                                                    
Alaska's 80th percentile regulation by the Division of                                                                          
Insurance.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:32:31 PM                                                                                                                    
LORI WING-HEIER, Director, Division of Insurance, Department of                                                                 
Commerce, Community and Economic Development (DCCED), Anchorage,                                                                
Alaska, moved to slide 2 and stated the following:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                  Notice of Pending Litigation                                                                                
          As of late 2023, the Department of Commerce,                                                                          
      Community, and Economic Development and the Division                                                                      
      of Insurance are in active litigation concerning the                                                                      
           repeal of the 80th percentile regulation.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
      Due to the pending litigation, the Assistant Attorneys                                                                    
      General assigned to the lawsuit will be attending this                                                                    
      presentation before Senate Health and Social Services.                                                                    
      If the Director is asked a question that counsel feels                                                                    
       could impact the litigation, they will advise the                                                                        
        chair and ask that the question not be answered.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:33:22 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  WING-HEIER moved  to slide  3 and  began discussing  the                                                                   
who, what, and  where of the 80th percentile  regulation. She                                                                   
stated  that the  discussion would  focus  on the  underlined                                                                   
portion of the regulation.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     What was the 80th Percentile Regulation?                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     3AAC 26.110(a)                                                                                                             
     "a person that provides coverage in this state for                                                                         
     health care services or supplies on an expense                                                                             
     incurred basis for which benefits are based on an                                                                          
     amount that is less than the actual amount billed for                                                                      
     the health care services or supplies shall?.determine                                                                      
     the final payment for a covered service or supply                                                                          
     based on an amount that ?is equal to or greater than                                                                     
     the 80th percentile of charges [based on a                                                                               
     statistically credible profile for each geographical                                                                     
     area] for the health care services or supplies                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. WING-HEIER  explained that the  80th percentile  regulation is                                                              
used in  Alaska to pay out-of-network  claims. She  clarified that                                                              
in-network  healthcare involves  a contract  between the  provider                                                              
and the insurer  or payer, such  as a union trust or  Alaska Care,                                                              
with agreed-upon  rates and fees.  For out-of-network  care, these                                                              
agreed-upon  rates  do  not  exist,  so  plans  regulated  by  the                                                              
Division  of  Insurance are  paid  under  the 80th  percentile,  a                                                              
regulation  in place  since  2004 to  address  concerns about  low                                                              
reimbursements.   This    set   a   minimum   for    health   care                                                              
reimbursements   to   out-of-network   providers.   However,   the                                                              
landscape has  changed, with many  providers now  entering network                                                              
agreements,  making it  rare to  find a provider  without  such an                                                              
agreement.  The  80th percentile  was  not intended  to  eliminate                                                              
balanced  billing,  meaning  consumers  still  face  out-of-pocket                                                              
costs for  out-of-network claims.  Over time, the  80th percentile                                                              
has impacted  the cost of  healthcare, and consequently,  the cost                                                              
of health insurance in Alaska, which concerns the Division.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:35:39 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. WING-HEIER  explained how the  80th percentile  is determined.                                                              
Insurers  can use  their  own data  if they  have  a large  enough                                                              
sample   to  create   a  statistically   credible  profile.   Most                                                              
insurers,  however,  use  an  independent  nonprofit  organization                                                              
based in  New York  called Fair  Health. This organization,  which                                                              
cannot  be  owned  by an  insurance  company,  holds  the  largest                                                              
collection  of private  healthcare  data,  maintaining over  forty                                                              
billion commercial  insurance claims for more than  10,000 Current                                                              
Procedural Terminology  (CPT) codes and adding two  billion claims                                                              
annually.   Fair  Health's   data   is  considered   statistically                                                              
significant in all  50 states and the District of  Columbia. It is                                                              
certified  by  the  Centers for  Medicare  and  Medicaid  Services                                                              
under  the   Department  of  Health   and  Human  Services   as  a                                                              
nationally    qualified   entity,    ensuring   its    statistical                                                              
credibility.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:36:38 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GIESSEL  asked how  many Alaskans  are insured  in-network                                                              
and out-of-network.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:37:00 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. WING-HEIER  moved to  slide 6  and noted that  percentage                                                                   
of  Alaskans insured  in state  regulated plans  is about  15                                                                   
percent,  approximately  100  to  120  thousand  people.  The                                                                   
state has never  exceeded 20 percent. As of 2022,  15 percent                                                                   
of  Alaskans were  in  an insured  plan,  which includes  the                                                                   
individual  market, or a  small or  large group regulated  by                                                                   
the  Division.  The chart  for  the  2022 policy  year  shows                                                                   
Alaska  had   $456  million  in   claims  submitted   in  the                                                                   
individual  and small group  markets. Of  that, $409  million                                                                   
were  in-network   and  $47   million  were   out-of-network,                                                                   
meaning  just over  10 percent of  the claims  paid in  those                                                                   
two markets were  out-of-network. She noted that  the out-of-                                                                   
network  providers are  both in-state  and out-of-state.  She                                                                   
reiterated that while  she does not have the  exact number of                                                                   
Alaskans  in each  network, out-of-network  claims were  just                                                                   
over 10 percent in 2022.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:38:26 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. WING-HEIER moved  to slide 4 and discussed  the following                                                                   
points regarding why the Division repealed the regulation:                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Why did the division repeal the regulation?                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        • The regulation has been criticized for increasing                                                                     
          the cost of health care in the state.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
        • Consumers have new protection under the NO                                                                            
          Surprise Act (NSA) passed by the US Congress in                                                                       
          2020.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
        • 80th Percentile Regulation Repealed effective                                                                         
          January 1, 2024.                                                                                                      
        •                                                                                                                       
MS.  WING-HEIER  stated that  several  studies have  shown  Alaska                                                              
consistently ranks  among the highest  in terms of  healthcare and                                                              
health  insurance  costs.  The Division  of  Insurance  (DOI)  has                                                              
reviewed  data  from  independent  studies  and  academic  groups,                                                              
understanding  that  rising  healthcare costs  are  a  significant                                                              
factor  in increasing  insurance  rates. The  DOI  has taken  this                                                              
seriously,  implementing measures  like  the Reinsurance  Program.                                                              
However,  healthcare  costs  remain  high in  Alaska  compared  to                                                              
other states.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:40:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WING-HEIER reported  hearing  from various  groupsindividual                                                               
market participants,  small groups  (50-100 employees),  and large                                                              
groups (100+  employees)that  the  high cost of insurance  hinders                                                              
their ability  to expand, hire,  or give raises. These  groups are                                                              
required  to provide  healthcare  under  the Affordable  Care  Act                                                              
(ACA).  Providers   acknowledge   the  rising  healthcare   costs,                                                              
attributing  them   to  factors   such  as  inflation   and  staff                                                              
shortages, which affect all jurisdictions, not just Alaska.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. WING-HEIER  highlighted that the  No Surprises Act,  passed in                                                              
2020   under  the   Trump   administration,   aimed  to   increase                                                              
transparency  without eliminating  balanced  billing. It  requires                                                              
providers  to give  upfront  estimates  of charges  and  insurance                                                              
payments,  applicable   to  both  in-network   and  out-of-network                                                              
services.  The Act  also mandates  that  insurers cover  emergency                                                              
services  at  in-network  rates  because  patients  cannot  choose                                                              
providers  during  emergencies.  It  recognizes  situations  where                                                              
patients  might  unknowingly  receive   care  from  out-of-network                                                              
providers   at    in-network   facilities,    providing   consumer                                                              
protections but not eliminating balanced billing.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WING-HEIER emphasized  that  addressing  healthcare costs  in                                                              
Alaska  will involve  some difficulties  for  consumers, who  will                                                              
need to  make informed  decisions  based on the  No Surprises  Act                                                              
and  their  network  plans.  This   might  mean  choosing  between                                                              
continuing  with an  out-of-network  provider or  switching to  an                                                              
in-network   provider  to   manage  costs.   While  this   can  be                                                              
challenging,   especially  for   those  with  long-term   provider                                                              
relationships,  it is  necessary  to balance  the needs  of a  few                                                              
with the broader goal of making healthcare affordable for all.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:43:37 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KAUFMAN asked  if there is evidence showing  the extent to                                                              
which regulation is  the driver for increasing the  cost of health                                                              
care in Alaska,                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:44:36 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  WING-HEIER replied  that although  she has  not drilled  down                                                              
the data to present  it, the DOI has reviewed the  overall cost of                                                              
healthcare  in Alaska,  including out-of-network  claims and  cost                                                              
increases.  She  referenced  a chart  titled  "Annual  Per  Capita                                                              
Physician  & Clinical  Services  Costs by  State and  by Year"  on                                                              
slide  4, developed  by  Risk and  Regulatory  Consulting in  2023                                                              
using  CMS data to  trend healthcare  costs in  Alaska. The  graph                                                              
indicates that in  2004, when the 80th percentile  regulation took                                                              
effect, Alaska's  costs began to rise above the  national average,                                                              
which  coincided  with  an  increase  in  overall  healthcare  and                                                              
insurance costs.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:45:50 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KAUFMAN  noted the significance  of 2004 as  an inflection                                                              
point and expressed  interest in understanding the  drivers behind                                                              
Alaska's high  healthcare costs to  help reduce them. He  asked if                                                              
repealing  the 80th  percentile  regulation would  lower costs  or                                                              
merely  cause  them   to  plateau  above  the   national  average.                                                              
Additionally,  he inquired  about  the specific  areas where  cost                                                              
reductions would occur if the regulation were repealed.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:47:44 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. WING-HEIER  replied that the  primary intent of  repealing the                                                              
80th  percentile  regulation was  to  lower healthcare  costs  and                                                              
align  them more  closely with  national  averages, making  health                                                              
insurance  more affordable  for consumers  and employers.  The DOI                                                              
observed  about a 2  percent impact  on 2024  rate filings  due to                                                              
this  change  and  expects  this trend  to  continue  for  several                                                              
years.  While   costs  may   eventually   plateau,  this   is  not                                                              
anticipated in the near future.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WING-HEIER  mentioned that  Senator  Giessel  had convened  a                                                              
committee  to examine  healthcare  costs, challenging  the DOI  to                                                              
investigate   this  issue.   Close  to   100  Current   Procedural                                                              
Terminology  (CPT)   codes  were  analyzed,  and   an  independent                                                              
consultant  compared  these  costs  to  those  in  Seattle,  North                                                              
Dakota,  Idaho,  and another  state.  The consultants  provided  a                                                              
comparison   as  a   percentage  of   Medicare  costs,   revealing                                                              
significant  disparities.  For instance,  the  cost  of seeing  an                                                              
ear,  nose,  and  throat  specialist  might  be  1500  percent  of                                                              
Medicare  in Alaska,  compared  to 300  percent  in Montana.  This                                                              
data, available on  the DOI's website for years,  could be updated                                                              
for relevancy.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WING-HEIER  expressed hope  that  within 10  years,  Alaska's                                                              
healthcare costs  would be  closer to those  of other  states. She                                                              
said the  selected states for  comparison share similarities  with                                                              
Alaska, such  as being  rural and having  oil and gas  industries,                                                              
and comparable  demographics. Despite  some differences,  the cost                                                              
disparities should not have been as high as they were.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:50:09 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GIESSEL thanked  Ms.  Wing-Heier  for reviewing  the                                                                   
previous  work. She noted  that the  Kenai Peninsula  Borough                                                                   
School  District  sends  people  to  Seattle  for  healthcare                                                                   
because it is  cheaper. She mentioned that the  Alaska Health                                                                   
Care   Commission,  which   operated  for   over  10   years,                                                                   
consistently  identified  the  80th percentile  as  a  factor                                                                   
increasing healthcare  costs in Alaska. She asked  if the DOI                                                                   
has  observed  any   change  in  the  number   of  in-network                                                                   
providers since the repeal was implemented on January 1.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:51:11 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  WING-HEIER  replied  that  the  DOI  is  aware  that  certain                                                              
clinics and  air ambulance services  have reached out  to insurers                                                              
to become  in-network. She said  she could not specify  the number                                                              
but mentioned  that some  have inquired  about forming  contracts.                                                              
Although the  DOI does not  oversee network agreements,  staff can                                                              
facilitate introductions.  She also stated  that she is  not aware                                                              
of any insurer dropping  a provider due to the repeal  of the 80th                                                              
percentile regulation.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:51:41 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GIESSEL  acknowledged   the  difficulty  in  establishing                                                              
causality  but  mentioned  she  has  a  list  of  providers  whose                                                              
contracts  have been  canceled by  insurance  companies. She  said                                                              
she  would  try to  give  names  to DOI,  even  though  it has  no                                                              
control over and does not monitor such contracts.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:52:24 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR TOBIN  noted the  10 year window  cited by Ms.  Wing-Heier                                                              
is a  very long time  and asked  if DOI had  made any  attempts to                                                              
reform,  rather  than  repeal,  the regulation  to  make  it  more                                                              
inclusive  for   seniors  and  veterans   who  use   Medicaid  and                                                              
Medicare.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:53:26 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  WING-HEIER  stated  that  the DOI  has  discussed  the  issue                                                              
extensively  with the  Department  of Health  (DOH)  and found  no                                                              
easy solution.  She noted  that the impact  is small  because most                                                              
providers are  in-network and  the reason  they are in-network  is                                                              
not  due to  the  repeal of  the  80th percentile  regulation  but                                                              
because of  the overall  cost of  health care.  Over the  past 4-5                                                              
years, more  providers have joined  networks. She opined  that the                                                              
small portion  of providers  who remain  out-of-network are  often                                                              
higher  priced due  to their  specialties,  which somewhat  drives                                                              
the increase in costs.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:54:30 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  TOBIN  stated  that  from  the  chart  on  slide  4,  and                                                              
considering reform,  it is clear the No Surprises  Act is intended                                                              
to  provide  some of  the  protections  that the  80th  percentile                                                              
regulation  covered.  She  asked  if  the  Act  provides  all  the                                                              
protections that the regulation covered.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:55:16 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. WING-HEIER replied  that the No Surprises Act  was intended to                                                              
reduce balance billing,  not eliminate it. The Act  places some of                                                              
the onus  back on providers  and consumers, enabling  consumers to                                                              
make more  informed decisions  regarding the  cost of  care. Under                                                              
the  80th  percentile  regulation,  the  consumer  received  care,                                                              
billing went to  the insurer, which paid the  80th percentile, and                                                              
the consumer received  a balance bill without knowing  the cost in                                                              
advance.  Therefore,  the  consumer  could not  make  an  informed                                                              
decision  about whether  they could  afford care  from an  out-of-                                                              
network provider.  Consumers need  to be  assisted in  getting the                                                              
best  value from  their  healthcare  dollars. They  are  examining                                                              
protections under the  No Surprises Act as well  as network versus                                                              
out-of-network providers.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:56:32 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR  said that  when he  looks at slide  4, he  sees an                                                              
inflection starting  in 1996 with  significant deviation  in 2001-                                                              
2002 that  puts Alaska on a  trajectory noticed in 2004.  He asked                                                              
what  changed between  2000-2003  that caused  a  jump before  the                                                              
80th percentile regulation went into effect.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:57:14 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. WING-HEIER  replied that she does  not know but is  willing to                                                              
research what  occurred. She  opined that,  from her knowledge  of                                                              
living  in  Alaska   during  that  time,  the   medical  community                                                              
expanded, which may be a partial reason.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:57:38 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DUNBAR  opined that  the  person  who was  hired  to                                                                   
create  the chart  should  do the  research  and provide  the                                                                   
answer.  He  clarified  that  it   is  not  Ms.  Wing-Heier's                                                                   
responsibility,   but   if   her  team   can   provide   that                                                                   
information,  it would  be helpful.  He  further opined  that                                                                   
whoever  provided  the  graph  misidentified  the  inflection                                                                   
point or perhaps  accurately identified that Alaska  was on a                                                                   
trajectory  that the  80th percentile  rule did  not seem  to                                                                   
change as intended,  which is the most he can  take away from                                                                   
the  chart. He  also  asked, now  that  more  people are  in-                                                                   
network,  what's  to prevent  large  insurers,  like  Premera                                                                   
with  70 percent  of market  share, from  dictating rates  to                                                                   
providers  since  a  mechanism  is no  longer  in  place  for                                                                   
providers to  access people  because costs  would be so  much                                                                   
higher.  He  asked  if the  market  power  had  shifted  from                                                                   
providers to insurers and, if so, what mechanism ensures                                                                        
that insurers pass savings onto consumers if they secure                                                                        
lower rates.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:59:29 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. WING-HEIER replied  that some statutes within  Title 21, which                                                              
is  the DOI,  mandate  that reimbursements  to  providers must  be                                                              
fair.  She  stated  that  while   she  does  not  control  network                                                              
agreements, if a  provider calls and claims  unfair reimbursement,                                                              
such  as  five cents  on  the  dollar,  DOI would  investigate  to                                                              
ensure  fairness.  The intent  of  the  repeal  is not  to  impact                                                              
access  to healthcare  in Alaska.  Title  21 provides  protections                                                              
for both  consumers  and providers,  but they  must inform  DOI of                                                              
the issue  for it  to be  addressed. She  said DOI  is willing  to                                                              
discuss insurance  payments with  both providers and  consumers to                                                              
ensure  payments are  made correctly  and to  correct any  errors.                                                              
However, the 80th percentile floor is no longer in place.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:00:47 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR said  that what she described is  addressing unfair                                                              
billing  after   the  fact,  but  contract  agreements   are  made                                                              
beforehand,  potentially shifting  power  dramatically to  Premera                                                              
and  other  insurers.   He  asked,  regarding   Senator  Kaufman's                                                              
question, what  mechanism ensures  that insurers pass  any savings                                                              
onto consumers  if there  is essentially  a monopoly or  oligopoly                                                              
in this market segment.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:01:28 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  WING-HEIER replied  that to  answer his  question, she  would                                                              
first  discuss the  Affordable Care  Act (ACA).  The ACA  mandates                                                              
that  in  the  small  group  and   individual  markets,  insurance                                                              
companies  must spend  80  percent of  premiums  on healthcare  or                                                              
return  it  to the  payer  or  consumer.  For large  groups,  this                                                              
percentage  is   85  percent.  This  is  federal   law.  Regarding                                                              
healthcare rates  for 2025, which  start coming in late  spring or                                                              
early  summer, filings  will  include  a line  for  "contingency,"                                                              
meaning  profit  for  the  insurance company.  In  her  tenure  as                                                              
director,  she  has never  approved  more than  a  3  - 5  percent                                                              
profit  margin  or contingency  for  a  health care  insurer.  She                                                              
stated that  in the  matter of negotiating  power, insurers  claim                                                              
that with  the 80th percentile rule,  they could either  accept it                                                              
or stay out of  network, so there wasn't much to  push rates down.                                                              
Providers  argue  that insurers  do  not negotiate  fairly.  While                                                              
discussions have  been held with both insurers  and providers, she                                                              
noted  that  she  has  no  statutory  authority  to  enforce  fair                                                              
negotiations, though  she can remind insurers  that reimbursements                                                              
must be fair.  She emphasized that  her role is limited  to having                                                              
conversations without the power to enforce actions.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:03:33 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  WILSON referred  to the  chart on  slide 4  and noted  that                                                              
Alaska  is one  of four  states  where Medicaid  rates are  higher                                                              
than  Medicare rates.  He  wondered if  the  increase in  Medicaid                                                              
rates  started with  the state pay  option and  if the  divergence                                                              
began when the state started changing Medicaid rates.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:04:08 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. WING-HEIER said  the graph on slide 4 is from  a report, which                                                              
she can  review to see  if Medicaid expansion  was a  cost driver.                                                              
She  chose   the  graph   because  it   shows  healthcare   prices                                                              
increasing  more significantly  than  in other  states, which  was                                                              
her point.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:04:54 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  WING-HEIER  moved  to  slide  5  and  stated  that  the  80th                                                              
percentile  is often misunderstood.  It does  not mean  80 percent                                                              
of charges. Instead,  it represents a data point  where 20 percent                                                              
of charges  are above  it and 80  percent are  below. This  is how                                                              
the  80th  percentile  is  computed,   based  on  the  statistical                                                              
distribution of submitted charges.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:05:39 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  WING-HEIER moved  to slide  6  and reiterated  that the  80th                                                              
percentile   regulation   does   not  apply   to   self-insurance,                                                              
AlaskaCare,  union  trusts,  Medicaid,   Medicare,  Indian  Health                                                              
Service, TRICARE,  or the VA.  It affects  only 15 percent  of the                                                              
population,  specifically those  in the  individual, small  group,                                                              
and large group markets regulated by the Division of Insurance.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:06:07 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. WING-HEIER moved  to slide 7 and provided data  on health care                                                              
rates  in Alaska  and DOI's  decision  to repeal.  She noted  that                                                              
when  the ACA  was passed  in 2014,  four insurersPremera,   Moda,                                                              
Aetna,  and  Kelticoffered    plans  in  the   individual  market.                                                              
Alaska's average rate  increase was close to 32  percent the first                                                              
year,  nearly  40 percent  the  second  year,  and by  2017,  only                                                              
Premera  remained. DOI  sought $55  million  from the  legislature                                                              
and the  authority for a Reinsurance  Program, becoming  the first                                                              
state to  secure federal  funding for this  purpose. The  goal was                                                              
to  stabilize  the  market,  not  to  repeal  or  deny  access  to                                                              
healthcare. The  Reinsurance Program initially used  state funding                                                              
and  helped  stabilize rates,  preventing  the  loss of  the  last                                                              
insurer.  She clarified  that  the  Reinsurance Program  does  not                                                              
apply to  the small or  large group markets.   She said  two years                                                              
ago, DOI  considered merging small  and individual groups,  but it                                                              
did  not  suit  Alaska.  She  emphasized  that  DOI  continues  to                                                              
explore  ways to reduce  health  care costs and  remains proud  of                                                              
the Reinsurance  Program's  impact on the  individual market.  She                                                              
stated DOI started  to notice an uptick in the market  in 2022 and                                                              
Moda rejoined Alaska's health care market.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:08:29 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. WING-HEIER moved  to slide 8 and stated that  when DOI came to                                                              
the legislature  for the  $55 million, it  was all state  funding.                                                              
She  described   the  work  needed   for  Alaska  to   obtain  the                                                              
Reinsurance Program.  Oliver Wyman conducted the  required studies                                                              
and predicted  the  amount of money  Alaska would  need each  year                                                              
from  2017 to  2024 to  keep  its market  stable.  She noted  that                                                              
starting in  2019, Alaska had not  used any state funding  and had                                                              
been overfunded  by the  federal government  compared to  what the                                                              
state  expected  to  receive.  She  said  the  federal  government                                                              
allows  the state  to apply  the overfunding  to following  years,                                                              
except for  the amount required by  the waiver for holding  in the                                                              
current year.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The chart  shows that Oliver Wyman  estimated that in  2021 Alaska                                                              
would  need  $74 million  and  Alaska  allocated $80  million;  in                                                              
2022, Alaska  would need $79  million and allocated  $100 million;                                                              
in  2023,  Alaska  would  need  $87  million  and  allocated  $120                                                              
million;  and  in  2024,  Alaska   allocated  almost  $50  million                                                              
additional  dollars  and has  taken  a  16 percent  increase.  She                                                              
stated that DOI  has no money to put into the  Reinsurance Program                                                              
to  stabilize  the  market,  so  they are  trying  to  find  other                                                              
solutions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:10:51 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  WING-HEIER  stated  that  she does  not  know  how  expensive                                                              
Alaska's insurance  would be without the Reinsurance  Program, but                                                              
the  fact  remains  that  DOI will  not  have  an  additional  $50                                                              
million to put in  the fund to bring it to  $190-$200 million. All                                                              
the  federal funding  received in  prior  years has  been used  to                                                              
keep rates as low as possible for consumers.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:11:20 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GIESSEL  asked whether the  repeal of the  80th percentile                                                              
would have an impact on the market's stability.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:11:29 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. WING-HEIER replied  that DOI hopes the repeal  will bring down                                                              
the cost  of claims, which  was the intent.  However, it  will not                                                              
have a direct impact on the Reinsurance Program.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:11:59 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. WING-HEIER  moved to slide  9 and called  it her,  "Where does                                                              
it hurt  slide," which shows insurance  rates. She said  in health                                                              
care everyone in  a family has their own charge.  She provided two                                                              
examples  of  what  consumers  are  paying  for  health  insurance                                                              
costs:                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Example 1                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
Plan: Moda Silver                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Family of 4                                                                                                                     
2 parents age 40                                                                                                                
2 children under age 14                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Monthly Premium - $2758                                                                                                         
Deductible - $4500                                                                                                              
Out-of-Pocket Maximum - $7750 per family member                                                                                 
Copay for Primary Care - $30                                                                                                    
Copay for Specialists - $60                                                                                                     
Additional Coinsurance                                                                                                          
Balance Bill                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Example 2                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
Plan: Moda Bronze                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Family of 5                                                                                                                     
2 parents age 40                                                                                                                
2 children under age 14                                                                                                         
1 child age 20                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Monthly Premium - $2611                                                                                                         
Deductible - $6350                                                                                                              
Out-of-Pocket Maximum - $8700 per family member                                                                                 
Copay for Primary Care - $50                                                                                                    
Copay for Specialists - $100                                                                                                    
Coinsurance - 40 percent in-network 60 percent out-of-network                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
She opined  that people  are going  uninsured because  they cannot                                                              
afford  health care  premiums. She  stated that  DOI must  come up                                                              
with a plan to drive down the cost of health insurance.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:14:09 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR TOBIN  said she would  be remiss  if she didn't  point out                                                              
that she  is very fortunate  to have government  health insurance.                                                              
She asked  how the repeal of  the 80th percentile  regulation will                                                              
affect Alaska's  aging population. She  stated that she  hopes DOI                                                              
has  a  solution  that  will  be  beneficial  but  expressed  deep                                                              
concerns.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:14:46 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. WING-HEIER said she would address the question later in the                                                                 
presentation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:15:00 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. WING-HEIER moved to slide 10:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Health Care is Complex                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
   • Health care  is complex, and  it is fractured    federal                                                                   
     programs,  state  programs,  and commercial  market  are                                                                   
     all  funded   differently   and  subject  to   different                                                                   
     statutes and regulations.                                                                                                  
   • The  cost of  health  care is  a burden  throughout  our                                                                   
     economy,  including federal  and state  budgets as  well                                                                   
     as employers both small and large.                                                                                         
   • Health care  insurance rates, regulated by  the Division                                                                   
     of  Insurance, are  an  indicator of  issues  throughout                                                                   
     the health care system.                                                                                                    
   • The  health  care  industry,   the  insurance  industry,                                                                   
     governmental  entities,  and   stakeholder  groups  have                                                                   
     been working on health care reform for years.                                                                              
   • Once you identify  a problem or reform, it  likely takes                                                                   
     multiple  divisions/departments and  the private  sector                                                                   
     to address.                                                                                                                
   • As policymakers, where should our focus be:                                                                                
   square4 Building a strong primary care system?                                                                               
   square4 Leverage new technologies and expand access to care?                                                                 
   square4 Working with consumers to understand their health care                                                               
     insurance options?                                                                                                         
   • How  are we addressing  health care  needs before  acute                                                                   
     care or hospitalization?  How do we support  people when                                                                   
     they step down from hospitalization?                                                                                       
   • The Division  of Insurance director has  broad authority                                                                   
     to  protect  consumers  but   sometimes  the  regulatory                                                                   
       authority to face some of these challenges is not                                                                        
     within the DOI.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. WING-HEIER  said healthcare is  complex and fixing it  will be                                                              
very challenging.  She noted that  the system is  fragmented, with                                                              
federal  programs,   state  programs,   commercial  markets,   VA,                                                              
TRICARE, and workers'  compensation all operating  differently. It                                                              
often feels like  playing whack-a-mole, addressing  one issue only                                                              
to  have another  arise.  Her responsibility  as  the director  of                                                              
insurance is  to regulate  the market she  oversees, but  she does                                                              
not  control Medicare,  Medicaid,  or VA  programs. Solving  these                                                              
issues will require collaboration from all parties involved.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. WING-HEIER  said that since  her tenure began, she  has worked                                                              
with  various  organizations, including  Commonwealth  North,  the                                                              
Chamber  of Commerce,  the National  Association  of Benefits  and                                                              
Insurance  Professionals, the  Alaska  Health Care  Transformation                                                              
Project,  the Alaska  Health Care  Commission,  the Alaska  Policy                                                              
Forum, Alaskans  Together for  Medicaid, Alaskans for  Sustainable                                                              
Health  Care,  tribal healthcare  partners,  healthcare  insurers,                                                              
and providers. Everyone  has been discussing how  to address these                                                              
challenges. There  is no simple  solution, and what works  for one                                                              
group  may  not  work  for  another.   However,  collaboration  is                                                              
essential.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WING-HEIER said  Alaska currently  lacks  some elements  that                                                              
could  help,  such as  managed  care  and  a greater  emphasis  on                                                              
primary care.  While we can't solve  everything in one  day, there                                                              
are steps we can  take over time to increase  access to healthcare                                                              
and lower overall costs.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:16:58 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. WING-HEIER  moved to slide 11  and stated the  following quote                                                              
speaks  to  the  crux  of  the   problem  in  repealing  the  80th                                                              
percentile regulation:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Cost Shifting                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
     "?the  repeal  could  affect   the  entire  health  care                                                                   
     landscape  in Alaska,  and particularly  those who  rely                                                                   
     on  Medicare  and  Medicaid,  by making  it  harder  for                                                                   
     providers  to subsidize care  for Medicare and  Medicaid                                                                   
     recipients through  their reimbursements  from privately                                                                   
     insured patients."                                                                                                         
     -Dr.  Steve Compton  as quoted  from  January 18,  2024,                                                                   
     ADN Article                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. WING-HEIER stated  that she does not have  a complete solution                                                              
to  the  problem but  for  a  fact knows  that  privately  insured                                                              
patients  can   no  longer  afford   to  subsidize   Medicare  and                                                              
Medicaid.  Cost shifting  is a  real  concern. She  noted that  as                                                              
part of the  repeal, DOI is  working with DOH and  has contributed                                                              
$5  million  to  begin  examining  Medicaid  reimbursement  rates.                                                              
While Medicare is  part of the solution, it needs  to be addressed                                                              
separately.   The   80th  percentile   regulation   allowed   cost                                                              
shifting, and  insured market  employers can  no longer  afford to                                                              
subsidize  Medicare  and Medicaid.  She  expressed  hope that  the                                                              
repeal  does not  have  a negative  impact  but acknowledged  that                                                              
even with the  80th percentile regulation, some  providers did not                                                              
accept Medicare and Medicaid.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:18:36 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. WING-HEIER moved to slide 12 and discussed other                                                                            
agencies that DOI will work with to deal with the high                                                                          
costs of health care and health insurance:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Going Forward                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     What else are we doing?                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     The  Division has  committed $5  million in  FY 2024  to                                                                   
     the Department  of Health  to examine Medicaid  provider                                                                   
     reimbursement methodologies.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     The Division  requested voluntary  agreement from  major                                                                   
     insurance  carriers   in  Alaska  to   leave  in-network                                                                   
     contracts  at  current  reimbursement  rates  until  the                                                                   
     calendar year 2025 to protect providers.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     The  Division required  insurance  companies to  provide                                                                   
     their  out-of-network  payment  calculation  methodology                                                                   
     to be  submitted with their  proposed premium  rates for                                                                   
     2024.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The  Division  continues  to  meet  with  providers  and                                                                   
     insurers  to discuss  alternative minimum  reimbursement                                                                   
     options.  Continuing the  work on our  Health Payment  &                                                                   
     Utilization Database.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:20:01 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. WING-HEIER moved  to slide 13 and said that  in November,                                                                   
the Department of  Commerce and Economic Development  put out                                                                   
a  request  for  information.  Many  groups  have  worked  on                                                                   
healthcare throughout  Alaska. The  department is asking  for                                                                   
proposals  to be  submitted  by  March 1.  The  intent is  to                                                                   
review  the   proposals  and  have  independent   consultants                                                                   
determine  if  there   is  merit  in  taking   the  proposals                                                                   
further.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Request for Information                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
      Request for Input on the Future of Health Care Costs                                                                    
     and Reimbursement in Alaska:                                                                                             
   • DCCED put out a request on November 8, 2023, for                                                                           
     comments.                                                                                                                  
   • Comments will be accepted through March 1, 2024.                                                                           
   • We encourage providers, consumers, employers, etc. to                                                                      
     provide input.                                                                                                             
   • Comments    can    be    submitted    via    email    to                                                                   
     [email protected]   or  through  the   Online  Public                                                                   
     Notice  System.  Scan  the  QR code  below  to  see  the                                                                   
     Public  Notice  and leave  a  comment  or use  the  link                                                                   
     provided.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:20:33 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GIESSEL asked  if  DOI  was going  to  implement an  all-                                                              
payers claims database.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. WING-HEIER  replied no. DOI  received funding, as did  DOH, to                                                              
create   a  health   payment   utilization   database,  which   is                                                              
volunteer. AlaskaCare  and Medicaid  will contribute, and  DOI has                                                              
asked  Premera and  Moda to  participate. However,  because it  is                                                              
volunteer, the  database will  not be as  robust as  an all-payers                                                              
claims database.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GIESSEL  restated that the  volunteer database  is similar                                                              
to but not as  robust as an all-payers claims  database. She asked                                                              
if DOI could also use data from Fair Health.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. WING-HEIER  replied that  Fair Health does  have data,  but it                                                              
is expensive, and  retrieving data would be limited  to a specific                                                              
number of  tries. Previously,  when Fair Health  was used  for CPT                                                              
codes, it was on a contract basis for a specific purpose.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:21:42 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR  recollected that  Premera and  Moda had  agreed to                                                              
participate in the database. He asked if they had participated.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.   WING-HEIER   replied   that   Premera   has   committed   to                                                              
participating, but Moda has not confirmed participation.                                                                        
SENATOR DUNBAR said  a similar conversation took  place last year,                                                              
with Premera agreeing  to provide data. He asked why  it is taking                                                              
so long for them to provide the data.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WING-HEIER  replied that  it  has  taken  time to  build  the                                                              
database  and ensure  it can accept  their data.  She stated  that                                                              
Premera has not dragged its heels in providing the data.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  said he knows the  request for proposal went  out in                                                              
October to  build the database and  find a vendor. He  asked where                                                              
the department is  in terms of building the database  and having a                                                              
platform.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. WING-HEIER  replied that  DOI contracted  with Onpoint  Health                                                              
Data to  build the  database, which is  almost complete.  The data                                                              
entered  needs a  standardized  format. DOI  is  working with  the                                                              
volunteers  to establish  that  format, so  the  data is  relevant                                                              
once it enters the database.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:23:17 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR asked  if the new database and  incoming data might                                                              
change  DOI's  current   course  of  action.  He   questioned  how                                                              
unexpected  data  from Alaska  could  impact the  recent  process,                                                              
noting  that  reinstating  the 80th  percentile  regulation  seems                                                              
unlikely.  He inquired  if  any other  reforms  could result  from                                                              
analyzing the new data.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WING-HEIER   replied  that  as   DOI  has  worked   with  the                                                              
healthcare  transformation project,  the  Health Care  Commission,                                                              
and others  over the  years, reference-based  pricing often  comes                                                              
up as  a solution.  This approach  involves reimbursing  providers                                                              
at a  set percentage of  Medicare rates,  such as 240  percent for                                                              
primary  care.   She  emphasized  that  moving  beyond   the  80th                                                              
percentile   regulation   will   require  a   statewide   program,                                                              
involving  both  the  privately  insured  market  and  government-                                                              
funded  programs  like Medicaid  and  Medicare. All  parties  will                                                              
need  to agree  on  sustainable  payment rates  to  ensure no  one                                                              
party bears a disproportionate share of the costs.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GIESSEL  commented that  in the repeal  bill for  the 80th                                                              
percentile regulation  that she  offered in 2017  - 2018,  she had                                                              
reference-based billing set at 300 percent of Medicare for                                                                      
primary care. She asked if the database would provide                                                                           
verification on the appropriate amount to set healthcare costs.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. WING-HEIER  replied that it is  the intent of DOI  to identify                                                              
reasonable  reimbursement or  payment  for services  based on  the                                                              
charges,  which DOI  expects to  vary,  depending on  the type  of                                                              
care. She  said that analyzing Alaska's  own data will  help those                                                              
working to lower health care costs.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:26:09 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  WING-HEIER moved  to  slide 15  and  stated the  primary                                                                   
role  of DOI  is protecting  consumers. She  stated DOI  took                                                                   
the action  of repealing  the 80th  percentile regulation  to                                                                   
protect consumers  so they  can afford  health insurance  and                                                                   
have  access  to  health  care.   She  stated  the  following                                                                   
information is posted on DOI's website:                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Frequently Asked Questions                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     How do rates or premiums get set?                                                                                          
       • The division is required by Alaska's statutes to                                                                       
        review  all  rate filings  submitted  by health  care                                                                   
        insurers.  In this  process, the division,  utilizing                                                                   
        independent  actuaries, looks to paid  claims, health                                                                   
        care  trends, anticipated  number  of enrollees,  and                                                                   
        the various  financial documents of the  insurer that                                                                   
        establish  financial   solvency.  The  division  must                                                                   
        approve  the  filing  provided  that  the  rates  are                                                                   
        adequate,    not   excessive,   and    not   unfairly                                                                   
        discriminatory.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     How does the Affordable Care Act apply?                                                                                    
      • The Affordable Care Act requires insurance                                                                              
         companies  to spend  at least  85  percent of  their                                                                   
         revenues  on insurance  claims. If  they spend  less                                                                   
         than  that,  they  are  required  to  reimburse  the                                                                   
         difference to their policy holders.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Which health plans did the 80th percentile rule apply                                                                      
     to?                                                                                                                        
       • The 80th percentile rule only applied to out-of-                                                                       
        network  charges in private insurance  plans. Private                                                                   
        insurance  plans make  up roughly  15 percent  of the                                                                   
        insurance  market  in  Alaska.  The  80th  percentile                                                                   
        rule  did  not apply  to Medicare,  Medicaid,  Indian                                                                   
        Health  Services, VA, TriCare, or  self-funded health                                                                   
        plans.                                                                                                                  
     MS. WING-HEIER  said DOI is required by statute  to look                                                                   
     at rates and  ensure they are adequate and  not unfairly                                                                   
     discriminatory.   When  reviewing   filings,  DOI   also                                                                   
     considers healthcare  trends, past payments,  and future                                                                   
     expectations    using    inflationary    figures.    She                                                                   
     emphasized  that the most  important thing the  division                                                                   
     does  is ensure  insurance  companies  are solvent.  DOI                                                                   
     must  always  be  respectful   of  insurance  companies'                                                                   
     financials   when   looking   at   rate   increases   or                                                                   
     decreases,  ensuring  they  can justify  their  book  of                                                                   
     business based  on the rates they have filed.  MS. WING-                                                                   
     HEIER  stated  that she  would  never want  to  be in  a                                                                   
     position  where claims  could  not be  paid because  DOI                                                                   
     approved too  low of a rate filing, causing  the company                                                                   
     to go into  liquidation. She mentioned that  DOI has not                                                                   
     been able to  hire an actuary for a couple  of years, so                                                                   
     they have  contracted actuaries  on staff to  review all                                                                   
     filings.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:28:14 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  WILSON  said the  state  will  pay  for  a person  to  take                                                              
actuarial exams. The  state has a great plan for  anyone who would                                                              
like to become an actuary.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. WING-HEIER  added that  the classification  of an  actuary for                                                              
the department is  now above that of the governor.  Other measures                                                              
have also  been tried to make  the position more  competitive with                                                              
the commercial market.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:28:58                                                                                                                         
CHAIR  WILSON said  he  wanted  to go  back  to a  statement  made                                                              
earlier  about the  health  utilization  database.  He noted  that                                                              
there is  no statute to compel  health entities to  submit claims.                                                              
However,  the more  claims  entered into  the  database, the  more                                                              
useful  the data becomes.  He asked  if the  department might,  in                                                              
later  years,  consider  pursuing  statutes  to  help  incentivize                                                              
healthcare providers to input the data.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:29:26 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. WING-HEIER  replied that  this is  a door  that is  wide open.                                                              
There have  been several attempts  at passing an  All-Payer Claims                                                              
Database (APCD) bill, but none have crossed the finish line.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:29:50 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GIESSEL  replied  that   cost  has  been  an  issue.  She                                                              
wondered  if the  repeal of  the 80th  percentile regulation  will                                                              
help address the  situation where healthcare companies  located in                                                              
the lower  48 were charging based  on the 80th  percentile because                                                              
the  patient was  in  Alaska. She  noted  that  this practice  was                                                              
quite a scam and should be addressed by the repeal.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. WING-HEIER agreed.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DUNBAR  said the  data missing  from the presentation  was                                                              
any projections  on how this repeal  will bend the cost  curve. He                                                              
noted that there  must have been some projections  made to justify                                                              
the repeal  and asked for  an estimate.  He inquired if  there was                                                              
an expected  reduction or  slowdown in  the increase of  premiums,                                                              
asking if  the division had a  projected percentage of  impact. He                                                              
emphasized  that everyone  agrees the  premiums are  too high  and                                                              
sought specific projections from the division.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:31:12 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  WING-HEIER replied  that she  needs to  go back  and look  at                                                              
that question,  clarifying  that she  is not  trying to avoid  it.                                                              
She explained  that while DOI firmly  believes the cost  will come                                                              
down  due  to  the  repeal  of  the  80th  percentile  regulation,                                                              
inflation  could counteract  those savings.  It is challenging  to                                                              
separate  the impacts  of  various factors,  such  as the  repeal,                                                              
technology, and  other influences  on healthcare costs  and rates.                                                              
She stated  that DOI  will review  the data  and provide  a better                                                              
explanation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:31:47 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DUNBAR stated  that Alaska  is dealing  with a  workforce                                                              
shortage. He  asked if there is  any concern that the  repeal will                                                              
lead to  healthcare workers  leaving the state  or an  increase in                                                              
patients going out of state for care.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WING-HEIER replied  that she  hoped  not. She  noted that  10                                                              
percent of the  market consisted of out-of-network  providers, who                                                              
are  impacted  by  this  repeal.  While  acknowledging  that  they                                                              
cannot  compel anyone  to stay in  the state,  she expressed  hope                                                              
that the  impact would  not be  significant.  Given the number  of                                                              
providers already  in-network, she does  not expect the  repeal to                                                              
dramatically impact access to healthcare.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WING-HEIER  thanked  the committee  for  the  opportunity  to                                                              
discuss the repeal of the 80th percentile regulation.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GIESSEL expressed appreciation for Ms. Wing-Heier's                                                                     
work.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:33:02 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR WILSON said Alaska is lucky to have Ms. Wing-Heier with                                                                   
the Division of Insurance. He noted that with the Reinsurance                                                                   
Program she made national news.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:33:40 PM                                                                                                                    
There being no further business to come before the committee,                                                                   
Chair Tobin adjourned the Senate Health and Social Services                                                                     
Standing Committee meeting at 4:33 p.m.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
FAQ 80th Percentile Regulation Updated 1.25.2024.pdf SHSS 1/30/2024 3:30:00 PM
SHSS 1.30.24 DCCED Div of Ins 80th Percentile FAQ
DCCED Division of Insurance Presentation on the 80th Percentile to the Senate Health and Social Services Comm 012924.pdf SHSS 1/30/2024 3:30:00 PM
SHSS 1.30.24 DCCED Div of Ins 80th Percentile Presentation