Legislature(2001 - 2002)

03/22/2002 01:35 PM Senate HES

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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                    
      SENATE HEALTH, EDUCATION & SOCIAL SERVICES COMMITTEE                                                                    
                         March 22, 2002                                                                                         
                            1:35 p.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyda Green, Chair                                                                                                       
Senator Gary Wilken                                                                                                             
Senator Bettye Davis                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Loren Leman, Vice Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Jerry Ward                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Department of Education and Early Development Overview: ESEA                                                                    
Implementation                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
Dr. Ed McLain                                                                                                                   
Deputy Commissioner                                                                                                             
Department of Education &                                                                                                       
 Early Development                                                                                                              
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801 W 10 St.                                                                                                                    
Juneau, AK  99801-1894                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Dr. P.J. Ford Slack                                                                                                             
Director, Teaching and Learning Support                                                                                         
Department of Education and Early Development                                                                                   
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801 W 10 St., Suite 200                                                                                                         
Juneau, AK  99801-1894                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mark Leal                                                                                                                   
Assessment, Teaching and Learning Support                                                                                       
Department of Education and Early Development                                                                                   
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801 W 10 St., Suite 200                                                                                                         
Juneau, AK  99801-1894                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 02-23, SIDE A                                                                                                            
Number 001                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  LYDA  GREEN  called the  Senate  Health,  Education  &                                                            
Social Services Committee  meeting to order at  1:35 p.m. Senators                                                              
Wilken, Davis and Chairwoman Green  were present. Chairwoman Green                                                              
informed  members they  would hear from  representatives  from the                                                              
Department  of  Education  and Early  Development  (DEED)  on  the                                                              
Elementary  and Secondary  Education  Act (ESEA).  She asked  DEED                                                              
representatives to alert the committee  to anything it needs to be                                                              
aware of as DEED gets ready to implement the ESEA.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Ed McLain, Deputy Commissioner  of DEED, told members that Dr.                                                              
P.J.  Ford   Slack  and  Mr.   Mark  Leal  prepared   a  45-minute                                                              
presentation for committee members.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DR. P.J.  FORD SLACK, Director  of Teaching and  Learning Support,                                                              
DEED, informed  members that the ESEA  is also know as  Public Law                                                              
110,  HR 1,  and the  "No Child  Left  Behind Act."  She made  the                                                              
following comments.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
The  law was  reauthorized  in  December  to ensure  that  states,                                                              
regardless  of individual  state  policy and  philosophy,  provide                                                              
children with a fair, equal and significant  opportunity to obtain                                                              
a high quality  public education. In Alaska, this  law touches all                                                              
public  schools,  charter schools,  correspondence  schools,  head                                                              
start programs and universities.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The law  itself is one  of the most  significant reaches  into the                                                              
states'  rights to  design public  education in  about 200  years.                                                              
While the  law suggests great  flexibility, added dollars  and, in                                                              
truth, the  criteria to qualify for  these title schools  is quite                                                              
tight and  the State  of Alaska  also receives  the second  lowest                                                              
percentage increase  in funds of  all of the states  that received                                                              
increases. The average increase was  13.2 percent. Alaska received                                                              
an 8.9 percent increase.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
She does not believe anyone can find  fault with the spirit of the                                                              
ESEA, however  it has  presented challenges  for all states,  both                                                              
large and small.  There are ten title programs.  This presentation                                                              
will focus largely  on Title 1, Part A, with  some specific pieces                                                              
from Title  9, which  is about dangerousness,  and Title  3, about                                                              
the  requirements  for  limited English  proficient  students  and                                                              
Alaska  Native heritage  students, and  Title 2,  which now  holds                                                              
most of the information about creating high quality educators.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
She and Mr. Leal  have focused on the things  they understand will                                                              
be most challenging  to Alaska at  this point. The ESEA  is a 1200                                                              
page document.  Guidance [from the  U.S. Department  of Education]                                                              
will not be given  until sometime between August  and September on                                                              
only the standards,  accountability, and academic  yearly progress                                                              
therefore, DEED is  still "swimming" through some  sections of the                                                              
ESEA.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DR.  FORD SLACK  explained  that her  presentation  will focus  on                                                              
three areas and Mr. Leal will focus  on the areas that present the                                                              
most   challenges  for   Alaska  so   far:  accountability;   data                                                              
collection; and the assessment piece.  She began her presentation.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     The number  one area that  we are working  on currently,                                                                   
     and  most  of  my  staff  is   working  on,  is  on  the                                                                   
     researched-based  programs  and  practices. This  was  a                                                                   
     call  for  all programs  and  instruction,  specifically                                                                   
     reading,   to   be   scientifically   researched   based                                                                   
     programs. These  programs and practices were  to improve                                                                   
     instruction,  realign  reading   programs  so  that  all                                                                   
     students  would  be  reading  by age  three,  and  focus                                                                   
     resources  and   the  ability  to  inform   parents  and                                                                   
     community.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     The main focus  in this area has been the  early reading                                                                   
     first   program,   the  reading   first   program,   and                                                                   
     proceeding that  was called the Reading  Excellence Act.                                                                   
     When they talk about these programs  - which they're all                                                                   
     really  wonderful  ideas  -  they  talk  about  them,  I                                                                   
     believe,  in terms that  we think that  we can get  them                                                                   
     into  all our  schools.  Unfortunately,  the funding  is                                                                   
     really  quite   tight  and  limited  to   very  specific                                                                   
     criteria  and   while  I  believe,   as  the   State  of                                                                   
     Washington  and the  State of Oregon  have also  learned                                                                   
     because  they're  ahead  of  us  in  implementing  their                                                                   
     Reading Excellence  Act, that all schools  would benefit                                                                   
     from  this currently  as we  begin  the REA  part -  the                                                                   
     Reading  Excellence Act  - and  later  into the  Reading                                                                   
     First.  We will  be limited  to those  schools that  can                                                                   
     indeed  apply  for  the  grant,   agree  to  using  very                                                                   
     prescriptive,  scientifically  based  reading  programs,                                                                   
     and  it  will  be on  a  case-by-case  basis  and  their                                                                   
     specific criteria  and we can  get you that  application                                                                   
     for the Reading Excellence Act districts.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     The funding  for Reading First  is only $2.2  million. I                                                                   
     bring  that up because  at a  recent reading  leadership                                                                   
     conference  in   Washington,  I  was  seated   with  the                                                                   
     assistant  superintendent of  curriculum from  Anchorage                                                                   
     and we were  sitting there calculating what  we could do                                                                   
     if she did  just what she did in Mountain  View with all                                                                   
     the rest  of her elementary  schools and we  figured out                                                                   
     it  would cost  $9.2 million  for  the Anchorage  School                                                                   
     District alone.  So you can see that it's  a great idea.                                                                   
     It  has a lot  of possibilities  but in  order to  train                                                                   
     your staff,  to train your principals, as  Senator Davis                                                                   
     pointed  out in an  earlier piece  she's working on,  to                                                                   
     get your aides trained, to get  the right curriculum in,                                                                   
     and to  do ongoing  comprehensive data collection  does,                                                                   
     indeed, take a lot of time preparation  and some dollars                                                                   
     behind it.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Other  challenges  Alaska  has  [have] to  do  with  the                                                                   
     diversity of our population's  languages. As a state, we                                                                   
     have  the most  diverse  world languages,  although  our                                                                   
     population size with those world  languages is not large                                                                   
     and  we also  have one  of the  most  diverse groups  of                                                                   
     heritage languages. The challenge  for us will be making                                                                   
     sure  that  we  honor the  heritage  languages  and  the                                                                   
     heritage immersion programs  that are currently going on                                                                   
     and being  successful, as well  as providing  support at                                                                   
     those early  years for English language  acquisition and                                                                   
     there is a challenge there.  I've worked in New Zealand.                                                                   
     It was a challenge there to  do that because that is the                                                                   
     time  that a  child  learns  how to  read  and write  in                                                                   
     English  and most  heritage languages  are not the  same                                                                   
     sort of base as an English language  system. There is an                                                                   
     expert  here  in  the  State of  Alaska  that  has  been                                                                   
     involved  with a  longitudinal  study,  Dr. Todd  Risley                                                                   
     [ph]. We're hoping  to get some good advice  from him on                                                                   
     early language  acquisition. He and Dr. Betty  Hart have                                                                   
     done  a wonderful  job and  the  federal government  has                                                                   
     encouraged us  to look at  our local experts  for advice                                                                   
     in that area.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Many of  our districts  would like  the funding for  the                                                                   
     reading support, however our  funds, as I mentioned, are                                                                   
     small and restricted  by the terms of the  Reading First                                                                   
     and the  Reading Excellence Act. However,  because Title                                                                   
     1  in  the  assessment  section  has  encouraged  states                                                                   
     strongly  to develop  a  seamless system  between  their                                                                   
     designations,  it appears that  Alaska would do  well to                                                                   
     consider all of the pieces that  we have for the Title 1                                                                   
     schools  and   look  at  those   as  being  part   of  a                                                                   
     comprehensive program  for all of our schools  to ensure                                                                   
     that  by the year  2014, as  the law  requires, that  we                                                                   
     will  have 100  percent success  by grade  3, or at  the                                                                   
     proficient level.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     I  think that  there are  many issues  with the  reading                                                                   
     piece that  we are all  struggling with. I  believe that                                                                   
     we  have   excellent  staff  in  this  state.   We  have                                                                   
     excellent advice.  We are a state, as you  know, that is                                                                   
     challenged  because of our  distance and our  uniqueness                                                                   
     and  we are  funded  now not  in the  way  we have  been                                                                   
     funded  in  some  of  our  title   programs  before  but                                                                   
     strictly  by  population  and that  will  indeed  become                                                                   
     something   that  we  need   to  wrestle  with   at  the                                                                   
     department,   and  hopefully   with  the   legislature's                                                                   
     support and advice.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Number 2. Assuring  quality teaching. And I  am going to                                                                   
     add this  not only  because I know  that it is  near and                                                                   
     dear to Senator  Davis's heart, but it is  also near and                                                                   
     dear to mine - that includes  also principals and all of                                                                   
     our administrators.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN asked if the handout about implications of HR 1                                                                
contains a reference to quality teachers.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DR. FORD SLACK said that is in Title 2.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN asked if Eisenhower professional development is                                                                
part of that.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR. FORD SLACK said it is in that section.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN informed members it is on page 15 of the                                                                       
handout. She then asked Dr. Ford Slack to continue.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DR. FORD SLACK:                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Title  2, and  I'll  mention it  for  the committee,  is                                                                   
     where  you  may  hear most  of  your  districts  talking                                                                   
     because  that is also  where they  have moved the  class                                                                   
     size  reduction allocation.  I  know that  many of  your                                                                   
     districts are very concerned  about this appearing to be                                                                   
     zeroed out  and I'm going to  try, as clearly as  I can,                                                                   
     to  clearly state  what I  heard  in D.C.,  what I  have                                                                   
     heard the federal government  say to us about this issue                                                                   
     of  class  size  reduction.  And  it  was  moved  in  to                                                                   
     ensuring high quality education  personnel because there                                                                   
     was some  belief in the  House and Senate  that reducing                                                                   
     class  sizes  did not  have  a  research base  to  prove                                                                   
     effectiveness and  was, indeed, not supporting  children                                                                   
     moving toward  the proficient level in  reading, writing                                                                   
     and math.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     So,  what this  particular section  says,  it is  really                                                                   
     about   enhancing  your  teacher   and  your   principal                                                                   
     quality.  It is certainly,  as Dr.  Sclafani said,  also                                                                   
     recognizing  the  need  that   we  need  highly  trained                                                                   
     professionals  in  math  and science.  Again,  and  it's                                                                   
     almost like a repeat, I think,  of the 1960s and some of                                                                   
     us  in this room  may be  old enough  to remember  after                                                                   
     Sputnik, but  it appears that  we are being asked  to do                                                                   
     the same thing. However, they're  not mandating. They're                                                                   
     saying  that they  expect to  see  this. They're  saying                                                                   
     that  if they  have Title  1  schools that  do not  have                                                                   
     highly qualified  teachers, then  they will look  to how                                                                   
     these funds are  being expended or they will  expect the                                                                   
     state to look at how these funds are expended.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     If a  school or a district  decides to use the  funds to                                                                   
     reduce  class size,  then that school  - that  district,                                                                   
     that school  - had best be  able to show that  they have                                                                   
     well trained  math and science teachers, that  they have                                                                   
     highly  qualified principals  that are implementing  the                                                                   
     curriculum,  collecting data,  making sure all  students                                                                   
     can  learn, that their  teachers are  being trained  and                                                                   
     then  there would  never be any  question. If,  however,                                                                   
     you  end up  in a  school improvement  site and  they've                                                                   
     used all of  their funds to reduce class  sizes and they                                                                   
     still say, well  we don't teachers that are  teaching in                                                                   
     science  and math  because we  couldn't get  them or  we                                                                   
     don't have principals that have  stayed with us, then we                                                                   
     as a state are supposed to ask  the question why did you                                                                   
     not use your  Title 2 funds to develop your  staff, your                                                                   
     personnel, to ensure that all students could learn.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN asked  Dr. Ford Slack if teachers  and principals                                                              
are  on  an equal  par  throughout  Title  2  or  if that  is  her                                                              
emphasis.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DR.  FORD  SLACK  said Title  2  specifically  mentions  principal                                                              
training.  She  noted that  teachers  and para-educators  are  the                                                              
number  one  and  two  groups that  are  mentioned  the  most  but                                                              
principals are mentioned.  She said that she did  some research on                                                              
the  Texas  education  system  and learned  it  has  an  extensive                                                              
principal development  program within  school districts.  She said                                                              
she believes  the references  to principals in  Title 2  came from                                                              
the reform efforts in Texas. She  repeated that Title 2 emphasizes                                                              
highly qualified teachers and para-educators.  She noted Alaska is                                                              
facing one of the largest teacher  shortages in 40 years. The fact                                                              
that  Alaska  recruits   from  48  other  states  puts   it  at  a                                                              
disadvantage  and  will require  Alaska  to  be more  creative  in                                                              
recruitment and retention  efforts.  She said the  same applies to                                                              
para-educators  but  she believes  DEED  made  the case  with  Dr.                                                              
Sclafani that the para-educators  in some areas Alaska are some of                                                              
its  most mature  and stable  educational force  so to  go in  and                                                              
unilaterally upturn  that particular group of educators  would not                                                              
be good.  She said Alaska  is very  fortunate that DEED's  special                                                              
education section  was successful  in receiving  a grant  from the                                                              
federal government two  years ago so Mr. Maloney  has been working                                                              
diligently   on  para-educator   training  modules   and  a   more                                                              
interactive and fun way to strengthen  a para-educator in a remote                                                              
site. DEED believes that system can  easily be adapted for Title 1                                                              
and  other para-educators  who need  support.  DEED believes  that                                                              
reading strategies  can be  easily added. It  will also  allow the                                                              
state to  use its own qualification  criteria. She said  that DEED                                                              
recognizes and values its unique para-educator work force.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN asked  Dr. Ford Slack if a  typical para-educator                                                              
would be someone who has not finished  a Bachelor degree and was a                                                              
non-education major.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DR. FORD  SLACK said  that is  correct and  that many times  para-                                                              
educators  do  not  have specific  training  except  for  training                                                              
provided at the  school site. She noted that is not  the case with                                                              
special   education  para-educators   because  state   regulations                                                              
require six hours of training.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN asked  if DEED  is in the  process of  providing                                                              
certification for para-educators.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
DR. FORD  SLACK said  the districts  make the  decisions but  that                                                              
Cindy Curran,  the head of  DEED's teacher certification  program,                                                              
in cooperation with DEED's special  education and title folks, are                                                              
looking  at  different  ways  to  encourage  and  recognize  para-                                                              
educators to see if any might be an option for Alaska.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN  asked if  Alaska passed a  law two or  three years                                                              
ago that  allowed para-educators to  be in the classroom  in their                                                              
home districts or whether it applied to another group.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DR. FORD SLACK said she was not familiar with that law.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN asked if the issue  of para-educators is foreign to                                                              
Alaska in comparison to other states.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DR. FORD SLACK  said what is foreign to the  federal government is                                                              
the fact  that Alaska has  sites as remote  and rural as  it does,                                                              
even in  comparison to Montana and  Wyoming, and that  perhaps the                                                              
para-educator population  in those areas  may not be as  stable as                                                              
Alaska's.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DR. MCLAIN thought the law Senator  Wilken may have been referring                                                              
to  grants special  certification  for some  of Alaska's  language                                                              
specialists  or content  specialists that  may be local  residents                                                              
with a  special skill. He  said when  DEED asked Dr.  Sclafani how                                                              
those  people  should be  treated  under  the ESEA,  Dr.  Sclafani                                                              
emphatically  stated  that those  people  were not  considered  as                                                              
certificated under  federal law.  However, as her  three-day visit                                                              
went on,  he believes Dr.  Sclafani became  open to the  idea that                                                              
she did not have all of the information  for that type of program.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILKEN commented  that the  state would  want to  protect                                                              
those  people  in  the  rural areas  and  not  allow  the  federal                                                              
government to make it hard to hire those types of employees.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. FORD SLACK explained that "para-educator"  is one term that is                                                              
used.  Other categories  of  employees include  special  education                                                              
aides,  instructional  aides, and  language  aides.  She said  she                                                              
appreciated  Senator  Wilken's  question   because  the  issue  of                                                              
whether  a heritage  language  aide who  works  one-on-one with  a                                                              
cognitively  disabled student  would be  required to be  certified                                                              
will have  to be  worked out  with the  legislature and  the State                                                              
Board of Education.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:00 p.m.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN  asked if  some of the  issues could  be semantic                                                              
rather than substantive in nature.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DR. FORD SLACK  said that DEED must submit its  first consolidated                                                              
state plan to Washington, D.C. by  May 28 to receive funds by July                                                              
1 and that  plan will begin  to address specific pieces.  All DEED                                                              
staff  is working  together on  this  plan, rather  than taking  a                                                              
compartmentalized  approach,  so   that  it  can  mesh  all  state                                                              
programs, as well as federal programs.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DR. FORD SLACK continued her presentation:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The  third  piece  that  I   would  like  to  bring  our                                                                   
     attention to,  and then we're  going to let Mr.  Leal go                                                                   
     into  a more in-depth  focus  of where we  are with  our                                                                   
     state accountability,  assessment, data collection,  and                                                                   
     reporting, is actually  the piece that we do  need  your                                                                   
     help with  and that  we will  be struggling with.  We're                                                                   
     not alone  that way.  Dr. Sclafani  was very clear  that                                                                   
     when   the  US   DOE  went   looking   at  states,   and                                                                   
     particularly the  small population states,  they learned                                                                   
     that departments  of education  were no longer  the size                                                                   
     of  some departments  of education  in  the states  that                                                                   
     have  already undertaken  probably 15  years of  reform,                                                                   
     such as  Kentucky or Louisiana  or Texas and  therefore,                                                                   
     the data requirements in this  particular act are large.                                                                   
     And I'm not  here just to say the data  requirements are                                                                   
     large for  the Department of Education. My  concern, and                                                                   
     I  know that Mr.  Leal's concern  is that  we have  data                                                                   
     requirements,  reporting  requirements,  not  only  that                                                                   
     will  drive instruction  and are  important for  driving                                                                   
     instruction  and  looking at  improvement,  but we  have                                                                   
     schools that  don't have the  capacity at all to  do the                                                                   
     type of  data collection,  reporting, analysis  and just                                                                   
     sending a simple [indisc.] to  the department right now.                                                                   
     We're slowly gearing up. We've  been gearing up since we                                                                   
     put in  our testing  requirements here  in the State  of                                                                   
     Alaska. I believe we've been  gearing up since 1994 in a                                                                   
     good,  consistent, slow,  purposeful way.  This law  has                                                                   
     put  us on  a fast  course because  there are  reporting                                                                   
     requirements  that we're  going  to need  to adjust  our                                                                   
     state  reporting requirements  for. There are  reporting                                                                   
     requirements  by  school and  district,  which Mr.  Leal                                                                   
     will go into,  and I think it was very  telling when Dr.                                                                   
     Sclafani said that they found  only six states currently                                                                   
     prepared  to   be  able  to   do  the  data   reporting,                                                                   
     collection and analysis that  this law clearly requires.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     So, we're into  an annual testing plan from  grades 3 to                                                                   
     8, plus  once in grades  10 to 12  and, again,  Mr. Leal                                                                   
     will go into this in some detail.  We have a goal of 100                                                                   
     percent proficiency in 12 years.  We now have a biennial                                                                   
     NAEP testing  requirement in reading and math  in grades                                                                   
     4 and 8 and  that will require the state to  hire a NAEP                                                                   
     coordinator.  That  is  not  with our  funds.  There  is                                                                   
     federal funding  for that position but we  still have to                                                                   
     get a qualified person. We will  have testing in science                                                                   
     and  we'll  have  testing  yearly  for  limited  English                                                                   
     proficient  students and  that means  we need to  select                                                                   
     the test that  all of our districts can use  so that the                                                                   
     data that  comes into the state,  and that we  report to                                                                   
     you  as well  as,  of course,  to  the parents  and  the                                                                   
     general public, is good and  consistent and that we know                                                                   
     what it is.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     We  hope to,  with all  of these  data requirements  and                                                                   
     reporting requirements,  the US DOE and, of  course, the                                                                   
     spirit of No  Child Left Behind, is hoping  to close the                                                                   
     achievement  gap by  using these  particular pieces  and                                                                   
     any pieces that the state might  add, such as monitoring                                                                   
     attendance, participation rates  and testing, graduation                                                                   
     rates,  etcetera.  Data is  the  key  and the  state  is                                                                   
     charged  to  ensure  that  all   districts  and  schools                                                                   
     provide the data required in an accurate manner.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     They believe, and I believe  that most of us believe it,                                                                   
     as soon as  we really get our hands really  around this,                                                                   
     that this data will not only  provide our parents with a                                                                   
     better understanding of how  their schools are doing and                                                                   
     therefore,  of  course,  how  their  children  in  those                                                                   
     schools  are  doing,  it  should   provide  our  elected                                                                   
     officials  a better understanding  of what is  happening                                                                   
     in  their areas  and  across the  state.  It would  also                                                                   
     provide,  we  hope, for  some  analysis that  will  give                                                                   
     feedback to principals  and others on what  is needed to                                                                   
     develop their  teachers, their aides, their  principals,                                                                   
     their own central office folks.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN asked  if any of the reporting  requirements will                                                              
replicate the school designator requirements.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR. FORD SLACK said  it will and that Mr. Leal  will discuss that.                                                              
She  concluded   by  telling   legislators   that  DEED   and  the                                                              
legislature will have  to work as partners. She would  like to see                                                              
a stronger tie between DEED and the  professional organizations so                                                              
that  DEED   can  support   school  districts   in  a   much  more                                                              
comprehensive way. She said she also  believes that the challenges                                                              
that are presented  in the ESEA may provide the  state with better                                                              
instructional strategies  in the long  run. The ESEA  will require                                                              
everyone to be more alert and accountable.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN asked if the ESEA also applies to universities.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DR. FORD SLACK said it does. Pieces  of Title 2 specifically refer                                                              
to   partnerships  between   DEED,  school   districts,  and   the                                                              
university. The university will not  get a lot of money, but it is                                                              
clear  that with  the reauthorization  of  this bill,  the US  DOE                                                              
expects   universities   to  work   in  partnership   with   state                                                              
departments of education  and the districts. She  pointed out that                                                              
Dr.  Sclafani learned  that Alaska  has some  unique features  and                                                              
that   it  does   not   produce  the   amount   of  teachers   and                                                              
administrators  that  many  of the  other  states  do.  Therefore,                                                              
Alaska's ability to impact some of  the many people that it brings                                                              
into  the state  may  require  DEED to  "put  our heads  around  a                                                              
different  interim  delivery  system"  to make  sure  that  people                                                              
brought  into the  state clearly  know  what the  State of  Alaska                                                              
requires.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILKEN  asked  how  much money  the  8  percent  increase                                                              
represents.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR. FORD SLACK  clarified that Alaska received an  increase of 8.9                                                              
percent  for  all  programs,  including   special  and  vocational                                                              
education. DEED believes it will  amount to about $20 million. She                                                              
noted  Alaska is  the test  case right  now just  to see what  its                                                              
district allotments  will be under  Title 1. It  contains features                                                              
that DEED cannot  calculate so the US DOE is  running the figures,                                                              
which should be available next week.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MARK  LEAL,  Director  of  Assessment,  DEED,  distributed  a                                                              
handout to members  that followed the slide presentation  he would                                                              
give. He  affirmed that  Dr. Ford  Slack's response to  Chairwoman                                                              
Green's question about the school  designator requirements is part                                                              
of the  reason DEED  requested an alternative  time line.  DEED is                                                              
not sure  how to  two will  fit. Right  now, DEED  is putting  the                                                              
finishing touches  on the  model. DEED  is proceeding with  status                                                              
and growth  and there  have been some  indications that  the model                                                              
will not fit  very well with the  ESEA. He added that  a number of                                                              
other states are in a similar position.  DEED and the other states                                                              
are  providing input  and waiting  for the  federal government  to                                                              
give direction.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN asked  if the ESEA  makes it  more important  to                                                              
have legislation in place, rather than less important.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LEAL replied,  "It makes  it more  important that  it be  two                                                              
years."  He  then   said  he  would  focus  his   presentation  on                                                              
assessment,  accountability, and  reporting requirements.  He said                                                              
that Dr.  Sclafani gave committee  members a good overview  of the                                                              
ESEA. Now,  DEED is trying to figure  out the details of  what the                                                              
changes in the ESEA mean for districts  and individual schools. He                                                              
said  the phrase,  "The  devil's  in  the details"  is  applicable                                                              
because the ESEA contains many details  that have implications for                                                              
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEAL  began his slide presentation.  He said the  annual tests                                                              
in reading and math  given to students in grades  3 through 8 need                                                              
to be aligned  with the state standards. The test  results are the                                                              
primary piece  of the accountability  system. That system  for the                                                              
state, districts and  schools needs to be based  on performance on                                                              
the  state  assessments  for  all students  and  for  students  in                                                              
subgroups  (race and  ethnic groups,  students with  disabilities,                                                              
students in poverty, and limited English speaking students).                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN asked  if different assessments will  be given to                                                              
the subgroups.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEAL  explained  the same assessments  will  be used but  DEED                                                              
will  report   aggregate   data.  He  then   continued  with   his                                                              
presentation  and said  the requirements  for assessments  mandate                                                              
that  at  least  95  percent  of all  children  in  the  state  be                                                              
assessed, as  well as at least  95 percent of each  subgroup. That                                                              
will have  quite an  effect on  Alaska because  many schools  will                                                              
need 100 percent participation. In  order to not test one student,                                                              
a school  must be able  to test at  least 20 students,  which some                                                              
schools do not have.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEAL discussed the state testing requirements:                                                                              
   · 2002-2005 - Reading and Math: Must test annually in one                                                                    
     grade,  3-5, 6-9,  and 10-12.  He noted  that Alaska  already                                                              
     meets this requirement with the benchmark tests.                                                                           
   · Beginning in 2002-2003 - must annually assess LEP students                                                                 
     on English  language skills. DEED  needs to select a  test to                                                              
     be used for that assessment.                                                                                               
   · Beginning in 2003 - NAEP - Biannual tests in Reading and                                                                   
     Mathematics.  Test random sample  of state students  grades 4                                                              
     and  8.  Scores used  to  confirm  state progress.  Mr.  Leal                                                              
     stated  that  test  will  be  used  to  compare  how  Alaskan                                                              
     students do  based on Alaska  standards to how they  do based                                                              
     on the  federal standards of  NAEP. Grade 8 students  will be                                                              
     given  both  the  NAEP  and the  benchmark  test  which  will                                                              
     provide a clear indication of  how Alaska has established its                                                              
     cut points  for advanced  and proficient  in relation  to the                                                              
     federal government's cut points.                                                                                           
   · Beginning in 2005 - Reading and Math: Must test annually,                                                                  
     every grad 3-8, plus one grad 10-12.                                                                                       
   · Beginning in 2007 - Science: Must test annually in one grad,                                                               
     3-5, 6-9, 10-12.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN asked how the exit exam will fit into the ESEA.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LEAL  told  members  the  exit  exam  raises  an  interesting                                                              
question for  DEED because there  is no federal requirement  for a                                                              
high stakes  exit exam. He added  that DEED has just done  a major                                                              
overhaul of  the high school exit  exam to refocus on  the minimum                                                              
competencies  of essential  skills.  The federal  requirement  for                                                              
that grade  10-12 test is that DEED  be able to identify  at least                                                              
two areas  of high performance so  DEED will need to  administer a                                                              
test in which proficient and advanced  students can be recognized.                                                              
That puts DEED in a box because the  previous test could have been                                                              
used to  identify advanced  students but, if  it is used,  DEED is                                                              
faced with using a high stakes exam  for students. He said one way                                                              
around the dilemma is to administer  the previous test at grade 11                                                              
or 12.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN  asked if  DEED could use  the previous  test for                                                              
the ESEA requirement rather than for the high school exit exam.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEAL said  DEED would need to  be able to go back  and set the                                                              
additional  cut  scores  because   the  new  scores  only  measure                                                              
proficient or  not proficient.  He said the  only problem  he sees                                                              
with using that  exam is that it is extremely  expensive to score.                                                              
He  said  once  DEED  settles  on one  form,  some  of  the  costs                                                              
associated with the high school exit exam would go down a bit.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN asked if it is a  random sample test or a test of                                                              
the entire population.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEAL said  it is for the entire population.  He then continued                                                              
and said there are several requirements  associated with reporting                                                              
results from assessments. They must:                                                                                            
   · Produce individual student interpretive, descriptive and                                                                   
     diagnostic reports.                                                                                                        
   · Disaggregate achievement levels by different groupings.                                                                    
   · Enable itemized score analysis to be produced and reported                                                                 
     to districts and schools. He noted DEED will have to work                                                                  
     with its test contractor on this requirement.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN asked for an explanation.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEAL explained  the test would be scored and  the school would                                                              
receive a report that determined  what percentage of students gave                                                              
the correct answer  to each question. Right now,  DEED can provide                                                              
proficiency levels  and scores on each performance  standard. This                                                              
requirement delineates  one more level  to provide scores  on each                                                              
question.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN  responded, "It would  appear to me that  this is                                                              
the only reason  you would give this  kind of test -  so you could                                                              
go back and  say over in Building  X, or whatever,  those teachers                                                              
aren't teaching fractions worth a  darn...." She asked if the lack                                                              
of a specific skill or concept in  a particular classroom could be                                                              
determined.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEAL  said it  could but  cautioned that  would take  specific                                                              
interpretation at  the school site  because one of the  dangers of                                                              
reporting  at the  itemized  level  is that  if  the test  doesn't                                                              
change, teachers get good at teaching to specific questions.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LEAL  continued  his  presentation  and  said  regarding  the                                                              
testing  of  students  in  English,  students  who  have  attended                                                              
schools in  the U.S. for three  consecutive years in  English must                                                              
be  tested. He  noted  that was  intended  for  states with  large                                                              
immigrant populations. It does not  address the immersion programs                                                              
in  Alaska.  Dr.  Sclafani  indicated  that  it  was  the  federal                                                              
government's view that students should  be able to read in English                                                              
by the third  grade. States with immersion programs  need to split                                                              
those programs so that students learn  English in the early grades                                                              
also.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 02-23, SIDE B                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN asked how Alaska's immersion programs works.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR.  FORD SLACK  told  members  the  immersion programs  that  are                                                              
normally  used  with indigenous  language  groups  are most  often                                                              
based  on the  Kohenga-reo  movement from  New  Zealand, which  is                                                              
known as  the "language  learning nest."  The concept behind  that                                                              
program is that to hold on to a language  that is culturally based                                                              
and different from a European-based  language, speakers must speak                                                              
to children consistently in that  language only. The belief of the                                                              
Maori,  and  later  the  Hawaiians, was  that  the  students  were                                                              
hearing plenty of English elsewhere  so Native languages should be                                                              
used exclusively in the school setting.  In New Zealand the Native                                                              
language  is  used  all  of  the  way  through  high  school  with                                                              
curriculum development in Maori but  New Zealand is bilingual with                                                              
English and Maori holding equal stead.  She noted she has had some                                                              
experience  with the  use  of that  concept  with  the Navajo  and                                                              
Ojibwa  peoples.  Students cannot  be  more than  two  generations                                                              
removed  from the  speaking of  the language.  In Alaska,  current                                                              
generations  speak  their  Native language.  She  believes  school                                                              
districts are  trying to  replicate that  system using  the Native                                                              
language  exclusively from  pre-school through  fourth grade.  She                                                              
noted that  scientifically based  reading programs are  clear that                                                              
English language happen during those  same years, which requires a                                                              
fair  amount of  English to  be spoken  so  DEED is  faced with  a                                                              
challenge in working with districts  that have brought in language                                                              
immersion programs  or are in  the process of developing  programs                                                              
with their Title  7 and Title 3 funds.  She said  DEED and the BIA                                                              
have some  particular issues to  work out and  that the US  DOE is                                                              
not flexible  on its  requirement  that students  be able to  read                                                              
English proficiently by grade 3.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN  asked if  a  student  in an  immersion  program                                                              
through the  fourth grade  would not be  subject to testing  until                                                              
the seventh grade.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEAL said the implications are  that those students would have                                                              
to be tested  every year. The  three-year window would apply  to a                                                              
student  who went  to  school outside  of  the  country. He  noted                                                              
students  in the  language immersion  program in  a public  school                                                              
would not  fall in that  category and would  have to be  tested in                                                              
English.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DAVIS asked if students in  immersion programs now have to                                                              
be tested.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEAL said they do.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DAVIS asked  if the  difference  under the  ESEA is  that                                                              
those students must read proficiently in English by grade 3.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEAL said that is correct.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN commented that will be quite a challenge.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LEAL informed  members  the ESEA  requires  three reports:  a                                                              
state report card;  a state report to the Secretary  of Education;                                                              
and district  report cards. The first  state report card  needs to                                                              
be produced  no later  than the school  year, beginning  next year                                                              
and must contain student achievement  at each proficiency level on                                                              
the aggregate  and disaggregated, comparisons  between achievement                                                              
of  subgroups,   and  the  most   recent  two  year   trend.  DEED                                                              
disaggregated  scores this  last year  but those  scores were  not                                                              
included on  the report card. It  has not compiled  comparisons of                                                              
achievement   of  subgroups.   It   currently  reports   aggregate                                                              
proficiency levels  and the recent  two-year trend. He  noted DEED                                                              
currently reports graduation rates  but not in the way the federal                                                              
government wants  them so that method  will have to be  changed in                                                              
regulation.   Additional  reporting   requirements  will   be  the                                                              
achievement  levels for sub  groups as  compared to annual  goals,                                                              
the percentage  of students not  tested disaggregated  by category                                                              
and  subject, and  an explanation  of  the state's  accountability                                                              
system.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEAL  told members  the state  report card  will also  require                                                              
reporting of:                                                                                                                   
   · the professional qualifications of teachers;                                                                               
   · the percentage of districts making adequate yearly progress;                                                               
     and                                                                                                                        
   · the number and names and schools in improvement.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DEED  will need  to  add those  categories  to  its current  state                                                              
report  card as  those figures  are not  currently identified  and                                                              
reported.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEAL said  the requirements of the report to  the Secretary of                                                              
Education mirror the requirements  of the state report card except                                                              
the  report to  the Secretary  also  requires DEED  to report  the                                                              
results from the  English language proficiency testing  of limited                                                              
English speaking students and drop  out data for all districts and                                                              
schools disaggregated by race and ethnicity.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEAL reviewed the district reporting  requirements as follows.                                                              
Districts will  have to  report virtually the  same items  for the                                                              
district and each  school that receives any federal  funds [slides                                                              
14, 15 and  16] as the items  required in the school  report card.                                                              
He said he can't stress enough that  amassing the information will                                                              
be a huge task.  He noted that even the large  districts that have                                                              
data capabilities  will have  to significantly  change and  add to                                                              
their capacity. A number of districts  do not have the capacity to                                                              
collect and report the information  so DEED will need to work with                                                              
them and figure out a way to verify the information.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN  asked if  the  reports  must  be done  by  next                                                              
Spring.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEAL said  the first year of reporting begins  in September of                                                              
2002.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILKEN asked  if the  federal government  gave the  state                                                              
money to implement those changes.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.   LEAL  said   Alaska  received   $3.5   million  to   develop                                                              
assessments.  The federal  government  has indicated  that if  the                                                              
state has  already developed assessments,  the state can  use some                                                              
of that money for data enhancement.  DEED does not have all of its                                                              
assessments developed yet.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN asked  how many extra personnel  will be required                                                              
in a small, medium and large district  to compile the information.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEAL  said he could  not answer that  question. He  noted that                                                              
DEED should  be able  to set  up and  provide templates  to school                                                              
districts to gather  the information. He surmised  that the larger                                                              
school  districts   will  probably  want  to  develop   their  own                                                              
templates  to fit  their data  capabilities while  others will  be                                                              
asking DEED for the answer.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEAL  referred to page  9 of the handout  and said the  key to                                                              
accountability  for the  ESEA is  the concept  of adequate  yearly                                                              
progress.  States  are  charged   with  defining  adequate  yearly                                                              
progress and  once they set  baselines, they must  establish goals                                                              
so that all students will be proficient  in 12 years. The starting                                                              
point is the number proficient in  the lowest achieving schools or                                                              
the lowest  achieving demographic  subgroup, whichever  is higher.                                                              
He explained  that to  determine the starting  point for  math for                                                              
example, DEED will take all of the  scores statewide for math from                                                              
                    th                                                                                                          
the 3rd,  6th, and 8   grade benchmark  test and list  the schools                                                              
based on  percentage of students  proficient. Therefore,  a school                                                              
with 100  percent of its students  proficient at grade 8  would be                                                              
the number  1 school. All  schools would  be rank ordered  and the                                                              
                  th                                                                                                            
school  at the  20   percentile  would become  Alaska's  baseline.                                                              
DEED is  currently working with  its school designator  contractor                                                              
to create a model based on last year's  data. He said the baseline                                                              
must be established this summer.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEAL referred  the bottom of  page 10 of the handout  and said                                                              
the chart shows the concept in the  ESEA of increasing achievement                                                              
over  time with  the goal  of 100  proficiency  at the  end of  12                                                              
years. He said if DEED finds the  starting point on math this year                                                              
is 40 percent proficient, it will  have to set measurable goals to                                                              
achieve 100 percent proficiency in 12 years.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN asked  if a penalty will be enforced  if there is                                                              
no progress in seven years, for example.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEAL  said the  ESEA contains  sanctions for  each school  and                                                              
each district. He added that each  subgroup will also have to show                                                              
adequate yearly progress.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN commented,  "This makes  the designator  program                                                              
look like a piece of cake."                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LEAL addressed  slide 21  on page  11 of  the handout,  which                                                              
defines the  sanctions. Districts  must identify the  schools that                                                              
fail to  make adequate  yearly progress at  the beginning  of each                                                              
school year. After  two consecutive years of not  meeting adequate                                                              
yearly  progress,  the school  would  be  expected to  develop  an                                                              
improvement  plan to  cover a  two-year period.  The school  would                                                              
receive  technical assistance  from  the district  and they  would                                                              
need to  provide school  choice for which  the district  would pay                                                              
transportation costs.  After three  years of not  meeting adequate                                                              
yearly progress,  the district would need to  provide supplemental                                                              
services  to students from  independent  service providers  at the                                                              
district's expense.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DR. MCLAIN added that to give members  a sense of the immediacy of                                                              
the  ESEA, he  recently signed  letters for  six school  districts                                                              
with  school  sites in  their  second  to  third years  of  making                                                              
inadequate yearly  progress. Those districts will  have to provide                                                              
school choice  and transportation  for students.  Even though  the                                                              
federal  government  cannot  dictate how  districts  will  provide                                                              
transportation,  the law  still applies  even  though the  nearest                                                              
school  might be 100  miles away.  This will  become an  immediate                                                              
issue for Alaska.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEAL referred to page 12 of the  handout, which delineates the                                                              
sanctions  after  four  years of  inadequate  yearly  progress.  A                                                              
school  would  move  into  a  corrective  action  status  and  the                                                              
district would have to implement  at least one action. The list of                                                              
corrective actions includes:                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
   · Replacing staff                                                                                                            
   · Implementing a new curriculum                                                                                              
   · Decreasing management authority at the school level                                                                        
   · Appointing an outside expert                                                                                               
   · Restructuring the internal organization of the school.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
In  addition,  the  district  would  have  to  continue  to  offer                                                              
supplemental services and public school choice to students.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
After  five years  of  inadequate  yearly progress,  the  district                                                              
would  need to  prepare a  plan that  would take  effect within  a                                                              
year.  That plan would require the  district to implement at least                                                              
one of the following options:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
   · Reopen the school as a public charter school                                                                               
   · Replace all or most staff                                                                                                  
   · Enter into a contract with a management company                                                                            
   · Turn over the operation of the school to the state.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He pointed  out that a school  must make adequate  yearly progress                                                              
for two years before any sanctions can be removed.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He  stated  that,  regarding  supplemental  assistance  providers,                                                              
there will be additional responsibilities  to the state. DEED will                                                              
need  to maintain  a  list and  develop  criteria  to measure  the                                                              
effectiveness of the providers.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN asked who would be defined as a provider.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEAL said  DEED will have to develop standards  by regulation.                                                              
Providers  would  include  private  tutors.  DEED will  be  in  an                                                              
awkward  position  because  it wants  to  be  able to  assure  the                                                              
quality  of providers  but  it  does not  want  to  be accused  of                                                              
limiting choice for parents.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN asked  if other states have begun  the process of                                                              
licensing providers.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEAL  said some states are  moving in that direction  but many                                                              
are expressing doubt  about that route. He noted  they are waiting                                                              
for further direction from the US DOE.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEAL noted  the reporting requirements for  schools identified                                                              
as needing  improvement  will provide notification  to parents  no                                                              
later  than the  first  day of  school.  That notification  should                                                              
explain what  identification means,  how the school  compares with                                                              
other  schools  in the  local  attendance  area, the  reasons  for                                                              
identification,  and  what the  school  is  doing to  address  the                                                              
problem. DEED will  annually review the progress  of all districts                                                              
to make sure they are making adequate  yearly progress and it will                                                              
publicize the results of its review.  He pointed out the remainder                                                              
of the handout lists the accountability  provisions for districts.                                                              
He then offered to answer questions.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILKEN asked  if it  would be  possible to  see the  ESEA                                                              
requirements formatted in a timeline from 2003 to 2005.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEAL said  DEED has been working  on a time line  for the next                                                              
three months,  which  is huge, and  eventually  plans to create  a                                                              
timeline for  the next three years.  DEED is looking for  the best                                                              
way to communicate this information to interested parties.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DR. P.J.  FORD SLACK  informed members that  DEED has  always been                                                              
challenged  to  find highly  qualified  people.  Other states  are                                                              
equally challenged and are recruiting from DEED. She commented:                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     So  while departments  of ed haven't  been mentioned  in                                                                   
     this  law, I  believe  that we  are  also an  endangered                                                                   
     species.  I  know  that  some of  the  members  of  this                                                                   
     committee  have seen  me in  other roles  and I  thought                                                                   
     that  I had seen  the federal  law that  would beat  all                                                                   
     federal laws with IDEA and all  of its iterations, but I                                                                   
     must  say that  this  law, in  itself,  if people  don't                                                                   
     retire  they may be  thinking of  a new profession  here                                                                   
     pretty soon.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN said she has heard  many concerns expressed about                                                              
the school  designator  program but its  requirements are  nothing                                                              
compared to the ESEA.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DR. MCLAIN  said her comment brings  close to home the  reason why                                                              
DEED  put  forth legislation  to  align  the  date for  the  state                                                              
accountability   school  designator   program.   He  thanked   the                                                              
committee for its  efforts on that legislation. He  said that DEED                                                              
has been  working on the status  and growth piece, which  has been                                                              
very complicated,  only to find out  now that the US DOE  may have                                                              
some of its own ideas about whether  or not the state can do that.                                                              
Therefore,  DEED is  looking at meshing  all that  it has  already                                                              
done  and,  thankfully,  the  rules  are not  set  in  cement.  He                                                              
commented that Dr.  Ford Slack and Mr. Leal have  been involved in                                                              
the norm referenced/criterion  referenced debate and  did not have                                                              
time to discuss that with the committee  today. On that issue, the                                                              
US DOE has been moving more towards Alaska's position.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN asked if there were any further questions.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
There were none.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN  wished the DEED  representatives well  and asked                                                              
them to keep legislators informed  of any legislative changes that                                                              
may be  on the  horizon. She  then adjourned  the meeting  at 2:52                                                              
p.m.                                                                                                                            

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