Legislature(2025 - 2026)

04/08/2025 09:01 AM Senate FIN

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                 SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                       April 8, 2025                                                                                            
                         9:01 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:01:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman called the Senate Finance Committee                                                                            
meeting to order at 9:01 a.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyman Hoffman, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Donny Olson, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Bert Stedman, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Mike Cronk                                                                                                              
Senator James Kaufman                                                                                                           
Senator Jesse Kiehl                                                                                                             
Senator Kelly Merrick                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Cathy Giessel.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Eric DeMoulin, Acting Director, Administrative Services                                                                         
Division, Department of Administration, Juneau.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SB 55     TRS CONTR RATE; PERS/TRS SOC SECUR OR SBS                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
          SB 55 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                     
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:02:11 AM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:02:30 AM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:02:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BERT STEDMAN, SPONSOR, introduced the legislation.                                                                      
He highlighted some pertinent points of the bill.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:08:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman discussed the presentation titled, "SB 55                                                                      
Supplemental Employee Benefits" (copy on file). She pointed                                                                     
to slide 2, "Teachers' Retirement System (TRS) Basics":                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     The  Teachers' Retirement  System (TRS)  was the  first                                                                    
     Alaska  retirement system,  developed by  the Territory                                                                    
     of Alaska  in the 1940s  to encourage teachers  to live                                                                    
     and work in Alaska                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Tiers I  and II are  defined benefit plans  that closed                                                                    
     to new employees 6/30/2006                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Tier III  is a  defined contribution  plan, and  is the                                                                    
     plan offered to employees hired after 6/30/2006                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     TRS  employees participate  in neither  SBS nor  Social                                                                    
     Security                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman addressed slide 3, "History of Social                                                                          
Security in Alaska":                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     1935                                                                                                                       
     Social Security established  by the federal government,                                                                    
     available to federal employees only                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     1940s                                                                                                                      
     Teachers'  Retirement  System   (TRS)  created  in  the                                                                    
     Territory of Alaska                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     1950s                                                                                                                      
     A  series  of amendments  to  the  Social Security  Act                                                                    
     allowed   states  and   local  governments   to  enroll                                                                    
     employees in  Social Security by enacting  "Section 218                                                                    
     agreements"                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     1961                                                                                                                       
     The   Public   Employees'  Retirement   System   (PERS)                                                                    
     established for State of Alaska  employees, all of whom                                                                    
     were also enrolled in Social Security                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     1980                                                                                                                       
     The  State  of  Alaska   created  the  SBS  system  and                                                                    
     terminated its Section 218  agreement, moving all state                                                                    
     (PERS)  employees from  Social  Security  into the  SBS                                                                    
     program                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:09:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman recalled efforts of the state in the                                                                           
territorial days through the 1980s to attract employees by                                                                      
offering competitive salaries and benefits.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:12:52 AM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:13:32 AM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:13:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman wondered how the Bureau of Indian                                                                              
Education (BIE) teachers were involved in the system.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman agreed to provide that information.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman continued to address slide 3.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman addressed slide 4, "Employee DC Retirement                                                                     
Savings Comparison: PERS v. TRS":                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     PERS TIER IV (WITH SBS)                                                                                                    
     Employee Contribution: 8 percent                                                                                           
     Employer Contribution: 5 percent                                                                                           
     SBS Employee Contribution: 6.13 percent                                                                                    
     SBS Employer Contribution: 6.13 percent                                                                                    
     Total Retirement Savings: 25.26 percent                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     TRS TIER III                                                                                                               
     Employee Contribution: 8 percent                                                                                           
     Employer Contribution: 7 percent                                                                                           
     SBS Employee Contribution: --                                                                                              
     SBS Employer Contribution:--                                                                                               
     Total Retirement Savings: 15.0 percent                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     PERS employees  who participate in  the SBS  system are                                                                    
     automatically  saving over  10  percent  more of  their                                                                    
     salary than TRS and non-SBS PERS employees.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:18:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman highlighted slide 5:                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     How  can we  improve retirement  for Alaska's  teachers                                                                    
     and other non-state PERS employees?                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman displayed slide 6, "SB 55 Key Provisions":                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     GOAL:   Equalize  retirement   savings  between   State                                                                    
     employees and non-state PERS and TRS employees                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Require PERS  and TRS Employers Provide  a Supplemental                                                                    
     Annuity Plan                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Requires participation  in SBS  if the employer  is not                                                                    
     currently a member of Social Security                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Opens  the  SBS  statute  to  allow  TRS  employers  to                                                                    
    participate in the program alongside PERS employers                                                                         
     Amendment in Senate Labor and Commerce                                                                                     
     Committee                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Establishes a  phased in  approach to  implementing SBS                                                                    
     participation for  members of TRS, with  the Department                                                                    
     of  Administration  providing   employee  and  employer                                                                    
     contributions as follows:                                                                                                  
     * FY27 FY29: 100 percent                                                                                                   
     * FY30 FY33: 66.6 percent                                                                                                  
     * FY34  FY37: 33.3 percent                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman pointed to slide 7, "SB 55 provides an                                                                         
option to improve retirement savings equitywithout                                                                              
implementing an entirely new system":                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Participation in SBS                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
          Could provide additional retirement savings of                                                                        
          12.26 percent                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          Contributions are made equally by employer and                                                                        
          employee, following the phase in when the                                                                             
         department covers a portion of the costs                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
          Does not expose the state to increases in                                                                             
          unfunded liability                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:28:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman stated that the  committee would forego the                                                                    
Sectional Analysis.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl  wondered  whether there  was  a  forthcoming                                                                    
fiscal note for the most recent version of the bill.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:29:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ERIC  DEMOULIN,  ACTING  DIRECTOR,  ADMINISTRATIVE  SERVICES                                                                    
DIVISION,   DEPARTMENT   OF  ADMINISTRATION,   JUNEAU   (via                                                                    
teleconference), agreed to provide that information.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl wondered how many  Alaska school districts had                                                                    
403  accounts with  and employer  match available  for their                                                                    
employees.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman agreed  to provide  that information,  but                                                                    
gave a high level answer.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl   recalled  that   there  were   some  school                                                                    
districts with mandatory participation  in 403Bs, but he did                                                                    
not  know whether  there were  matching funds  available. He                                                                    
wanted to  know the  next most  valuable step  in addressing                                                                    
the retention problem.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:34:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman replied that  it was unfortunate that there                                                                    
was  a timing  issue with  regards to  the discussion  about                                                                    
defined benefits versus defined contributions.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl reviewed the fiscal notes.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SB  55  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in   committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
9:38:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 9:38 a.m.                                                                                          

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