Legislature(2025 - 2026)SENATE FINANCE 532

04/01/2025 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE

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Heard & Held
-- Invited & Public Testimony --
+ SB 29 BIG GAME COMMERCIAL SERVICES BOARD TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Invited & Public Testimony --
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Heard & Held
-- Invited & Public Testimony --
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                 SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                       April 1, 2025                                                                                            
                         9:01 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:01:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman   called  the  Senate   Finance  Committee                                                                    
meeting to order at 9:01 a.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyman Hoffman, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Donny Olson, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Bert Stedman, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Mike Cronk                                                                                                              
Senator James Kaufman                                                                                                           
Senator Jesse Kiehl                                                                                                             
Senator Kelly Merrick                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Robert   Schmidt,   Director,   Division  of   Banking   and                                                                    
Securities, Department of  Commerce, Community, and Economic                                                                    
Development; Senator  Jesse Bjorkman, Sponsor;  Senator Gary                                                                    
Stevens, Sponsor;  Tim Lamkin, Staff, Senator  Gary Stevens;                                                                    
Dr.  Rob Crane,  Board Chair,  Preventing Tobacco  Addiction                                                                    
Foundation.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Adam  Atlas, Advisor,  Money Services  Business Association,                                                                    
Maryland;   Adam   Fleischer,    Counsel,   Money   Services                                                                    
Roundtable, Washington  DC; Jason  Bunch, Former  Chair, Big                                                                    
Game  Commercial Services  Board, Kodiak;  Aaron Bloomquist,                                                                    
Chair,  Big  Game  Commercial Services  Board,  Palmer;  Sam                                                                    
Rohrer,  Alaska  Professional Hunters  Association,  Kodiak;                                                                    
Mike  Bridges, Community  Advocate, American  Cancer Society                                                                    
and  Retired Brigadier  General,  Anchorage; Trevor  Storrs,                                                                    
President  and Chief  Executive  Officer, Alaska  Children's                                                                    
Trust,  Anchorage;  Rebecca  Cole,  Self,  Wasilla;  Valeria                                                                    
Delgado,  Self, Anchorage;  Mark Sundquist,  Owner, Hillside                                                                    
and  Southside  Chevron,  Anchorage;  Alex  McDonald,  Self,                                                                    
Fairbanks; Beverly  Wooley, Self,  Big Lake;  Shaun D'Sylva,                                                                    
Owner,  Fatboy  Vapors,   Seattle;  Aaron  Osterback,  Self,                                                                    
Anchorage;  Carrie  Nyssen,  Senior  Director  of  Advocacy,                                                                    
American  Lung Association,  Vancouver, Washington;  Annette                                                                    
Vrolyk,  Self, Eagle  River;  Scott  McCumby, Valdez  Police                                                                    
Department,  Valdez;   Don  Enslow,   Volunteer,  Providence                                                                    
Alaska   Hospital,   Anchorage;    Tabitha   Karpow,   Self,                                                                    
Anchorage; Ken Griffin, Self, Wasilla.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SB 24     TOBACCO/NICOTINE/E-CIG AGE; E-CIG TAX                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          SB 24 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                     
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SB 29     BIG GAME COMMERCIAL SERVICES BOARD                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
          SB 29 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                     
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SB 86     MONEY TRANSMISSION; VIRTUAL CURRENCY                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
          SB 86 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                     
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  discussed the  agenda. He relayed  that it                                                                    
was the                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 86                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An   Act   relating   to   the   business   of   money                                                                    
     transmission;   relating   to    licenses   for   money                                                                    
     transmission, licensure  requirements, and registration                                                                    
     through  a  nationwide   multistate  licensing  system;                                                                    
     relating  to  the use  of  virtual  currency for  money                                                                    
     transmission;  relating to  authorized  delegates of  a                                                                    
     licensee;  relating  to  acquisition of  control  of  a                                                                    
     license;  relating to  record  retention and  reporting                                                                    
     requirements; authorizing  the Department  of Commerce,                                                                    
     Community, and  Economic Development to  cooperate with                                                                    
     other states  in the regulation of  money transmission;                                                                    
     relating  to   permissible  investments;   relating  to                                                                    
     violations and enforcement  of money transmission laws;                                                                    
     relating to exemptions  to money transmission licensure                                                                    
     requirements; relating to  payroll processing services;                                                                    
     relating to currency  exchange licenses; amending Rules                                                                    
     79  and  82,  Alaska  Rules  of  Civil  Procedure;  and                                                                    
     providing for an effective date."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:02:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Jesse  Kiehl, Sponsor,  explained that  SB 86  was a                                                                    
modernization   of  laws   related  to   cryptocurrency.  He                                                                    
mentioned  other  customer  protections   in  the  bill.  He                                                                    
discussed  a tiered  fee structure  that would  be based  on                                                                    
volume.  He  thought the  bill  was  well crafted  to  avoid                                                                    
double-regulation.  He clarified  that nothing  in the  bill                                                                    
stifled innovation.  There were  no rules  and no  limits on                                                                    
risk  Alaskans  could take  on  Bitcoin.  He mentioned  that                                                                    
DCCED Director of Banking and Securities was present.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:10:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kaufman  asked if there  was any situation  in which                                                                    
the transfer of money was not included in the bill.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl  used the  example  of  a payroll  processor,                                                                    
which was not included in the bill.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:13:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT   SCHMIDT,   DIRECTOR,   DIVISION  OF   BANKING   AND                                                                    
SECURITIES, DEPARTMENT OF  COMMERCE, COMMUNITY, AND ECONOMIC                                                                    
DEVELOPMENT,  explained that  his  division was  responsible                                                                    
for regulating  the issues outlined  in the bill.  He stated                                                                    
that the  first mobile  payment application was  when PayPal                                                                    
released its  beta version in  2008 for the  Blackberry, and                                                                    
stated that  most of what  was money  transmission currently                                                                    
was not present when the  law was written. He expressed that                                                                    
the current  statutory framework in the  state, and affirmed                                                                    
that  the  bill  would  protect  consumers  as  the  sponsor                                                                    
suggested. He used the example of selling artwork.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:19:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Schmidt addressed  a fiscal note from  DCCED Division of                                                                    
Banking and  Securities, OMB Component 2808.  He was pleased                                                                    
to   report   that   the  program   that   regulated   money                                                                    
transmission  did  not  pay for  itself.  He  described  the                                                                    
industry  as one  of "minnows  and  whales", and  emphasized                                                                    
that the  net effect of the  bill would be positive  for the                                                                    
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:27:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Schmidt  summarized that the  committee would  hear from                                                                    
industry representatives.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman OPENED public testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:28:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADAM  ATLAS, ADVISOR,  MONEY SERVICES  BUSINESS ASSOCIATION,                                                                    
MARYLAND (via  teleconference), testified in support  of the                                                                    
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:32:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADAM   FLEISCHER,   COUNSEL,  MONEY   SERVICES   ROUNDTABLE,                                                                    
WASHINGTON DC (via teleconference),  spoke in support of the                                                                    
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman CLOSED public testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl addressed the fiscal note.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SB  86  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in   committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 29                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to an executive administrator for the                                                                     
     Big Game Commercial Services Board."                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:39:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR    JESSE   BJORKMAN,    SPONSOR,   introduced    the                                                                    
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:42:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JASON  BUNCH, FORMER  CHAIR,  BIG  GAME COMMERCIAL  SERVICES                                                                    
BOARD,  KODIAK  (via   teleconference),  testified  on  some                                                                    
details of the bill.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:45:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kaufman remarked on  some efficiencies referenced by                                                                    
the testifier. He  asked more detail about  the cost drivers                                                                    
related to the bill.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bunch  explained that the  costs would  be investigative                                                                    
costs.   He  explained   that  from   2016   to  2022,   the                                                                    
investigative  costs   were  approximately  35   percent  of                                                                    
revenue.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kaufman surmised  that  the cost  would be  greatly                                                                    
reduced by the efficiencies proposed in the bill.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Bunch  responded  that there  was  some  cost  recovery                                                                    
because of lack of administrative errors by the licensee.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:49:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
AARON  BLOOMQUIST,  CHAIR,   BIG  GAME  COMMERCIAL  SERVICES                                                                    
BOARD,  PALMER (via  teleconference), provided  testimony on                                                                    
the legislation.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman OPENED public testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:52:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SAM ROHRER, ALASKA  PROFESSIONAL HUNTERS ASSOCIATION, KODIAK                                                                    
(via teleconference), spoke in support of the bill.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman CLOSED public testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman reviewed the fiscal note.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bjorkman thanked the committee.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SB  29  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in   committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:55:45 AM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:58:14 AM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 24                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An   Act  relating   to  tobacco,   tobacco  products,                                                                    
     electronic  smoking  products, nicotine,  and  products                                                                    
     containing  nicotine;   raising  the  minimum   age  to                                                                    
     purchase,  exchange,  or  possess  tobacco,  a  product                                                                    
     containing nicotine, or  an electronic smoking product;                                                                    
     relating  to the  tobacco use  education and  cessation                                                                    
     fund; relating  to the  taxation of  electronic smoking                                                                    
     products  and  vapor  products; and  providing  for  an                                                                    
     effective date."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:58:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GARY  STEVENS, SPONSOR,  introduced himself  and the                                                                    
bill. He                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:01:31 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
TIM  LAMKIN,  STAFF,  SENATOR GARY  STEVENS,  explained  the                                                                    
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:05:04 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MIKE  BRIDGES, COMMUNITY  ADVOCATE, AMERICAN  CANCER SOCIETY                                                                    
AND    RETIRED    BRIGADIER    GENERAL,    ANCHORAGE    (via                                                                    
teleconference), spoke in support  and detailed the benefits                                                                    
of the bill.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:08:38 AM                                                                                                                   
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:09:09 AM                                                                                                                   
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:09:17 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR.  ROB CRANE,  BOARD CHAIR,  PREVENTING TOBACCO  ADDICTION                                                                    
FOUNDATION, testified on the bill.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:16:27 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl wondered  when Dr.  Crane had  left the  Ohio                                                                    
State University College of Medicine.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Crane replied that it was three years prior.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:17:11 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
TREVOR  STORRS,  PRESIDENT   AND  CHIEF  EXECUTIVE  OFFICER,                                                                    
ALASKA  CHILDREN'S  TRUST, ANCHORAGE  (via  teleconference),                                                                    
spoke to the bill.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman OPENED public testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:20:10 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REBECCA COLE,  SELF, WASILLA (via teleconference),  spoke in                                                                    
support of the bill.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:21:39 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
VALERIA  DELGADO,  SELF,   ANCHORAGE  (via  teleconference),                                                                    
testified in support of the legislation.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:23:36 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MARK  SUNDQUIST,  OWNER,  HILLSIDE  AND  SOUTHSIDE  CHEVRON,                                                                    
ANCHORAGE (via teleconference), spoke against the bill.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:27:17 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ALEX   MCDONALD,  SELF,   FAIRBANKS  (via   teleconference),                                                                    
testified against the legislation.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:30:26 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
BEVERLY WOOLEY,  SELF, BIG LAKE (via  teleconference), spoke                                                                    
in support of the bill.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:32:47 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SHAUN   D'SYLVA,   OWNER,   FATBOY  VAPORS,   SEATTLE   (via                                                                    
teleconference), testified against the bill.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:35:39 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
AARON  OSTERBACK,  SELF,   ANCHORAGE  (via  teleconference),                                                                    
testified in support of the legislation.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:38:23 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CARRIE NYSSEN,  SENIOR DIRECTOR  OF ADVOCACY,  AMERICAN LUNG                                                                    
ASSOCIATION,  VANCOUVER,  WASHINGTON  (via  teleconference),                                                                    
spoke in support of the bill.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:40:39 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ANNETTE  VROLYK,  SELF,  EAGLE RIVER  (via  teleconference),                                                                    
spoke in opposition to the bill.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:42:25 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SCOTT  MCCUMBY,   VALDEZ  POLICE  DEPARTMENT,   VALDEZ  (via                                                                    
teleconference), testified in support of the legislation.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:44:20 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DON   ENSLOW,   VOLUNTEER,   PROVIDENCE   ALASKA   HOSPITAL,                                                                    
ANCHORAGE  (via teleconference),  spoke  in  support of  the                                                                    
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:46:01 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
TABITHA  KARPOW,   SELF,  ANCHORAGE   (via  teleconference),                                                                    
testified in support of the bill.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:47:57 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
KEN  GRIFFIN,  SELF,  WASILLA  (via  teleconference),  spoke                                                                    
against the bill.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:50:10 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman CLOSED public testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:50:19 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman reviewed the fiscal notes.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:52:00 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stevens  thanked the committee. He  acknowledged the                                                                    
issues that were facing the committee.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman  set an  amendment  deadline  for all  the                                                                    
bills heard on Friday, April  11. He discussed the following                                                                    
day's agenda.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SB  24  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in   committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
10:53:55 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 10:53 a.m.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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SB 86 Bill Presentation 3.12.2025.pdf SFIN 4/1/2025 9:00:00 AM
SB 86
SB 86 ETA Support - AK SB 86.pdf SFIN 4/1/2025 9:00:00 AM
SB 86
SB 86 Letters of Support version I 3.12.2025.pdf SFIN 4/1/2025 9:00:00 AM
SB 86
SB 86 Sectional Analysis version I 3.12.2025.pdf SFIN 4/1/2025 9:00:00 AM
SB 86
SB 86 Sponsor Statement version I 3.12.2025.pdf SFIN 4/1/2025 9:00:00 AM
SB 86
SB 29 Sectional Analysis Version A.pdf SFIN 4/1/2025 9:00:00 AM
SRES 2/17/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 29
SB 29 Sponsor Statement Version A.pdf SFIN 4/1/2025 9:00:00 AM
SRES 2/17/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 29
(S)RES SB29 Follow-Up from DCCED-CBPL (2.10.25).pdf SFIN 4/1/2025 9:00:00 AM
SRES 2/17/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 29
SB 29 BGCSB Audit 06.22.23.pdf SFIN 4/1/2025 9:00:00 AM
SRES 2/17/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 29
SB 29 Public Testimony.pdf SFIN 4/1/2025 9:00:00 AM
SRES 2/17/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 29
SB24 Sponsor Statement 01.25.pdf SFIN 4/1/2025 9:00:00 AM
SL&C 2/24/2025 1:30:00 PM
SB 24
SB24 Supporting Documents-Research - Online Samples 02.20.25.pdf SFIN 4/1/2025 9:00:00 AM
SL&C 2/24/2025 1:30:00 PM
SB 24
SB24 Supporting Documents-Research - Headlines - BBC News 02.21.25.pdf SFIN 4/1/2025 9:00:00 AM
SL&C 2/24/2025 1:30:00 PM
SB 24
SB24 Supporting Documents-Research - Headlines - ABC News 02.21.25.pdf SFIN 4/1/2025 9:00:00 AM
SL&C 2/24/2025 1:30:00 PM
SB 24
SB 24 LOS American Lung Association.pdf SFIN 4/1/2025 9:00:00 AM
SB 24
SB 24 - Summary of Changes - N to i.pdf SFIN 4/1/2025 9:00:00 AM
SB 24
SB 24 - Sectional - version i.pdf SFIN 4/1/2025 9:00:00 AM
SB 24
SB 24 Testimony AKSAM HB 49 SB 24.pdf SFIN 4/1/2025 9:00:00 AM
HB 49
SB 24
SB 24 - Presentation - Slide Two - 3.28.25.pdf SFIN 4/1/2025 9:00:00 AM
SB 24
SB 24 Support Bloom-Keill.pdf SFIN 4/1/2025 9:00:00 AM
SB 24
SB 24 - Presentation-WhitePaper - Dr.Rob Crane - 4.1.25.pdf SFIN 4/1/2025 9:00:00 AM
SB 24