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                  SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                      
                       March 26, 2025                                                                                           
                         9:01 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:01:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman called the Senate Finance Committee                                                                            
meeting to order at 9:01 a.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyman Hoffman, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Donny Olson, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Bert Stedman, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Mike Cronk                                                                                                              
Senator James Kaufman                                                                                                           
Senator Jesse Kiehl                                                                                                             
Senator Kelly Merrick                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Curtis Thayer, Executive Director, Alaska Energy Authority;                                                                     
Tim Sandstrom, Chief Operating Officer, Alaska Energy                                                                           
Authority, Juneau; Senator Cathy Giessel.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
^ALASKA ENERGY AUTHORITY                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:02:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CURTIS  THAYER,  EXECUTIVE  DIRECTOR,   ALASKA  ENERGY AUTHORITY,                                                               
(AEA)  discussed,   "AEA  Progress"  (copy  on  file).  He  looked                                                              
at  slide  2, "AEA  Board  of  Directors."  He  pointed  to  slide                                                              
3, "About AEA":                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
      AEA's  mission   is  to  reduce   the  cost   of  energy  in                                                              
      Alaska.   To  achieve   this   mission,   AEA   strives   to                                                              
      diversify    Alaska's     energy     portfolio     enhancing                                                              
      reliability, resiliency, and redundancy.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
      Railbelt Energy (Owned Assets)                                                                                            
      .notdef Bradley Lake Hydroelectric Project                                                                              
      .notdef Alaska Intertie                                                                                                 
      .notdef Sterling to Quartz Creek Transmission Line                                                                      
      .notdef High Voltage Direct Current Transmission Line                                                                   
      Power Cost Equalization                                                                                                   
      .notdef $48 Million Program                                                                                             
      .notdef 192 Rural Communities                                                                                           
      .notdef 91 Electric Utilities                                                                                           
      .notdef 80,000+ Alaskans                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
      Rural Energy                                                                                                              
      .notdef Bulk Fuel Upgrades                                                                                              
      .notdef Rural Power System Upgrades                                                                                     
      .notdef Circuit Rider Program                                                                                           
      .notdef Electrical Emergency Assistance                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
      Renewable Energy and Energy Efficiency                                                                                    
      .notdef Renewable projects: biomass, electric vehicles,                                                                 
      hydroelectric, solar, and wind                                                                                            
      .notdef Federal programs: NEVI, Solar for All, and Home                                                                 
      Energy and High Efficiency Rebate Allocations                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
      Grants and Loans                                                                                                          
      .notdef Renewable Energy Fund                                                                                           
      .notdef Power Project Fund                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
      Energy Planning                                                                                                           
      .notdef Alaska Energy Security Task Force                                                                               
      .notdef State Energy Security Profile                                                                                   
      .notdef Electronic Library                                                                                              
      .notdef Energy Data Resources                                                                                           
      .notdef 40101(d) Grid Resilience Program                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:07:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer looked at slide 5, "Bradley Lake Hydroelectric                                                                       
Project":                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
      .notdef Energized in 1991, the Bradley Lake Hydroelectric                                                               
      Project is Alaska's largest renewable energy source.                                                                      
      It is located 27 air miles northeast of                                                                                   
      .notdef The 120 MW facility provides low cost energy to                                                                 
      550,000+ people on the Railbelt.                                                                                          
      .notdef Bradley Lake's annual energy production is ~10                                                                  
      percent of Railbelt electricity at                                                                                        
      4.5  cents/kWh   (or  54,400   homes/year)   and   over  $20                                                              
      million in savings per year for                                                                                           
      Railbelt  utilities   from  Bradley   Lake  versus   natural                                                              
      gas.                                                                                                                      
      .notdef The AEA, in partnership with Railbelt utilities,  is                                                            
      studying   the  Dixon   Diversion   Project,   which   would                                                              
      increase  the  annual  energy  production  of  Bradley  Lake                                                              
      by 50  percent  (the  equivalent  of  up to  30,000  Bradley                                                              
      Lake Hydroelectric Project)                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  assumed   that the  4.5  cents/kWh  at  Bradley                                                              
Lake  was the  delivery  rate,  and  not the  rate  to the  meter.                                                              
He stressed   that there  should  be a  comparison  with  the rate                                                              
at the meter and its equivalency.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:10:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer pointed to slide 6, "Dixon Diversion Project":                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
      $342 Million                                                                                                              
      The  AEA  is  studying   the  Dixon  Diversion   Project  to                                                              
      optimize   the   Bradley   Lake   Hydroelectric    Project's                                                              
      energy  potential.   Like   the  West   Fork  Upper   Battle                                                              
      Creek  Diversion  Project,   the  Dixon  Diversion   Project                                                              
      would  divert   water  from   Dixon   Glacier  to   increase                                                              
      Bradley Lake's annual energy production by 50 percent.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
           .notdef Located five miles from Bradley Lake and would                                                             
           utilize existing powerhouse at Bradley Lake.                                                                         
           .notdef Estimated annual energy 100,000 200,000 MWh                                                                
           (the equivalent of up to 30,000                                                                                      
           .notdef Estimated to offset 1.5 billion cubic  feet  of                                                            
           natural  gas  per year  in  Railbelt  power generation                                                               
           (equal  to  7.5  percent  of  Alaska's   unmet  natural                                                              
           gas demand projected for 2030).                                                                                      
           .notdef Estimated completion is 2030.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:11:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A video about the Bradley Lake Project was played for the                                                                       
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman queried the FERT update on the project.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer replied agreed to provide that information.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:15:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer pointed to slide 7, "Grid Resilience and                                                                             
Innovation Partnerships (GRIP): HVDC Line":                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
      .notdef Provides a redundant pathway between   the  Southern                                                            
      (Kenai  Peninsula)  and  Central   (Anchorage  and  Mat  Su)                                                              
      Regions                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
      .notdef Eliminates the single point of failure  inherent  in                                                            
      the previous   system  (the system  will  still  be  subject                                                              
      to single point of failure between Willow and Healy)                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
      .notdef Allows for more renewable power to be  added  to the                                                            
      grid and distributed across the Railbelt                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
      .notdef Increases the ability to share  power   between  the                                                            
      Southern,   Central,    and   Northern    Regions   of   the                                                              
      Railbelt,  allowing   the  most   economical   power  to  be                                                              
      used at  all  times  The  AEA  secured  $206.5  million  for                                                              
      GRIP  Topic  Area  3:  Grid  Innovation   through  the  U.S.                                                              
      Department  of  Energy's  Grid  Deployment  Office.   A cost                                                              
      share  of 100  percent,   or $206.5   million,  is  required                                                              
      for a total project amount of $413 million.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
      The project   includes  constructing   high  voltage  direct                                                              
      current   (HVDC)    submarine    cables   as    a   parallel                                                              
      transmission    route   from   the   Kenai    Peninsula   to                                                              
      Anchorage.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
A video about the Alaska Electric Transmission lines was                                                                        
played for the committee.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:20:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer addressed slide 8, "Sterling to Quartz Creek                                                                         
(SQ) Transmission Lines":                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
      In 2020,   AEA  acquired  the  SQ  Transmission   Lines,  as                                                              
      part of the Bradley Lake Hydroelectric Project.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
      .notdef Location 39.4  miles    of    115   kilovolt    (kV)                                                            
      transmission   and  out  of use  69  kV  transmission   from                                                              
      Sterling to Quartz substation (Kenai Lake).                                                                               
      .notdef Benefits                                                                                                        
      The  AEA   ownership   ensures    better   cost  alignment,                                                               
      reduce  line  losses,   increased   reliability,   and  more                                                              
      timely repairs and upgrades.                                                                                              
      .notdef Status 69 kV line   decommissioned    and   removed;                                                            
      engineers  are   designing  and   are  procuring   equipment                                                              
      for the  upgrade  of the  existing  115 kV  line to  230 kV.                                                              
      Construction has started on the first section.                                                                            
      .notdef Cost Estimated cost to upgrade line is  $90  million                                                            
      for the  SQ  transmission  line  and  Sterling  to  Soldotna                                                              
      transmission line.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer discussed slide 9, "Battery Energy Storage                                                                           
Systems (BESS) for Grid Stabilization":                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
      .notdef Scope                                                                                                           
      The  BESS   projects   consist   of   an   upgrade   to  the                                                              
      existing  BESS system  in  the North,  and  new BESS  in the                                                              
      Southern,   and   Central   regions    of  the   grid.   The                                                              
      Northern  BESS  is  located   at  Fairbanks,   the  Southern                                                              
      BESS is  located  at  Kenai,  and the  Central  Region  BESS                                                              
      will be  located  at  Anchorage.  The  BESS  will be  needed                                                              
      to fully  realize  the  benefits  of  a  230 kV  bulk  power                                                              
      supply    system,     regulate    energy     from    various                                                              
      generation, and increase resilience.                                                                                      
      .notdef Benefits Increase  system    resilience,    transfer                                                            
      capability,  more  efficient   use  of  system,  and  lowers                                                              
      impediments    to    additional     renewable    generation                                                               
      development.                                                                                                              
      .notdef Schedule                                                                                                        
           - Southern (Kenai) In service                                                                                        
           - Central (Anchorage) In service                                                                                     
           - Northern (Fairbanks) Engineering and design                                                                        
      .notdef Budget $28   million    in   services    to   dampen                                                            
      oscillation                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kaufman queried the process for funding the ongoing                                                                     
maintenance. He remarked on the unfunded deferred                                                                               
maintenance needs.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer replied that there was a management committee                                                                        
that oversees that maintenance, and the utilities paid for                                                                      
the maintenance of the assets.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:27:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A video about Rural Alaska Infrastructure played for the                                                                        
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Hoffman   recalled   meeting  with   individuals   from                                                              
Senator   Olson's  district   that  were  concerned   about  their                                                              
fuel  tanks, and  the stress  of the  fines from  the utilities.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:31:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TIM   SANDSTROM,   CHIEF   OPERATING    OFFICER,   ALASKA   ENERGY                                                              
AUTHORITY,  JUNEAU,   replied  that  there  were two  projects  in                                                              
that area to repair the tank.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman wanted to see progress on that issue.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer  highlighted   slide  11,  "Power  Cost  Equalization                                                               
(PCE)":                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
      The PCE  program  was  established  in  1985 as  one  of the                                                              
      components of a statewide energy plan.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
      The cost  of  electricity   for  Alaska's  rural   residents                                                              
      is notably   higher  than  for  urban  residents.   The  PCE                                                              
      lowers  the  cost   of  electric   service  paid   by  rural                                                              
      residents.  Ultimately   ensuring  the  viability  of  rural                                                              
      utilities    and    the    availability      of    reliable,                                                              
      centralized power.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:34:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman  wondered  whether  there  was  an expansion  of                                                              
the Power Cost Equalization (PCE) program.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer replied in the negative.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Thayer   displayed    slide   12,   "Rural    Power   System                                                              
Upgrades":                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
      .notdef The AEA's Rural  Power   Systems   Upgrade   program                                                            
      improves  power generation   in Alaska  villages  with  less                                                              
      than 2,000 people.                                                                                                        
      .notdef Approximately 170 communities are eligible  for  the                                                            
      program,    which     replaces    outdated,     inefficient                                                               
      mechanical  systems   with new  electronically   controlled                                                               
      generator sets.                                                                                                           
      .notdef Due to declining funds, rural power systems  are not                                                            
      upgraded  timely,  and  communities   are  left  with  aging                                                              
      systems at risk of failure.                                                                                               
      .notdef The AEA evaluates several factors when prioritizing                                                             
      projects    for   funding    at    this    time,    deferred                                                              
      maintenance is estimated at $300 million                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked about the cheap gas to the Rail                                                                          
Belt. He requested an update of the comparison of fuel                                                                          
types and cost at the meter.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer responded that he would provide an updated                                                                           
comparative cost.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman asked when the committee could expect that                                                                     
update.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer replied that an updated comparison could be done                                                                     
by the following week.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer addressed slide 13, "Bulk Fuel Upgrades                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
      .notdef The AEA designs and builds modern,  code   compliant                                                            
      bulk  fuel  facilities   through   our  Bulk  Fuel   Upgrade                                                              
      program                                                                                                                   
      .notdef In Alaska, there are over 400 bulk  fuel facilities                                                             
      each sized to support the village.                                                                                        
      .notdef Most of the facilities are older than 40 years, with                                                            
      many  exceeding   50  years  ,  and  they  average   100,000                                                              
      gallons in size.                                                                                                          
      .notdef However, aging infrastructure poses several   safety                                                            
      risks for  rural  communities,  e.g.,  corrosion,   erosion,                                                              
      and environmental.                                                                                                        
      .notdef The AEA maintains  an  inventory    and  assessment                                                             
      priority  need  based  list  so far,  deferred  maintenance                                                               
      is estimated at $1 billion                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:40:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman wondered where the picture was taken.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer replied that he would provide that information.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer pointed to slide 15, "Circuit Rider Program                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer highlighted slide 17, "Grid Resilience Formula                                                                       
Grant Program IIJA 40101(d)":                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
      .notdef Under 40101(d), AEA   anticipates    receiving   $60                                                            
      million  in  federal   formula   grants  to  catalyze   grid                                                              
      resilience   projects.  In   August  2023,   the  first  two                                                              
      years of allocations, $22.2 million , were awarded to                                                                     
      .notdef The AEA's competitively solicited applications   for                                                            
      the  initial   federal   formula  allocation   in   February                                                              
      2024. The  AEA  selected  three  projects  for  sub  awards,                                                              
      totaling $20.9 million.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
      In December   2024,  DOE  issued  final  approvals  for  the                                                              
      sub award  projects.  Due  to  pauses  on funding  for  IIJA                                                              
      programs,  the  issuance   of  sub  award  agreements   have                                                              
      been delayed  but  are anticipated   to be  finalized  in Q2                                                              
      2025.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
      .notdef In August 2024, AEA received $17,627,018 in  federal                                                            
      program  formula  funds  for  fiscal  year  2025,  requiring                                                              
      $2.6  million   in  state   matching   funds.  The   AEA  is                                                              
      working with DOE to determine next steps.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
      .notdef Resilience measures include but are not limited to:                                                             
      - Relocating or reconductoring powerlines                                                                                 
      - Improvements   to  make  the  grid  resistant  to  extreme                                                              
      weather                                                                                                                   
      - Increasing fire resistant components                                                                                    
      -   Integrating    distributed    energy   resources    like                                                              
      microgrids and energy storage                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
      .notdef Formula based funding requires a  15  percent  state                                                            
      match and a 33 percent small utility match                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer pointed to slide 18, "National Electric Vehicle                                                                      
Infrastructure (NEVI) Program":                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
      .notdef The AEA and the Alaska Department of Transportation                                                             
      and Public  Facilities   (DOT  and PF)  continue  to  deploy                                                              
      the State of Alaska NEVI Plan.                                                                                            
      .notdef On November 25, 2024, AEA and DOT  and  PF  received                                                            
      approval  of  the  fiscal  year  2025  plan.  This  unlocked                                                              
      $11 million  in  addition  to  $30  million  available  from                                                              
      previous fiscal years.                                                                                                    
      .notdef In fall 2023, the first round of Alaska NEVI  awards                                                            
      were announced.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
      The  AEA  and  DOT   and  PF  selected   projects   in  nine                                                              
      communities   for  a  total   investment   of  $8   million.                                                              
      Private  entities  will own  and  operate  the new  charging                                                              
      stations.                                                                                                                 
      .notdef Phase 2 will develop charging infrastructure in more                                                            
      than 30 communities along Alaska's Highway System and                                                                     
      the Marine Highway System.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
      National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:44:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman wondered whether there was communication                                                                       
at the federal level that would be in jeopardy.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer replied, "no."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl  recalled  that  the Volkswagen   settlement  funds                                                              
had  gone  into   the  early  stages   of  the  electric   vehicle                                                              
charging,   but  wondered  if  any  funds  remained   to  leverage                                                              
the project.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer replied that those moneys were expanded, so that                                                                     
was how AEA got into the electrical vehicle business.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer discussed slide 19, "Solar for All":                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
      .notdef In April 2024, AEA and the Alaska  Housing   Finance                                                            
      Corporation  (AHFC)   were  selected  for  a  $62.5  million                                                              
      grant from  the  Environmental  Protection   Agency's  Solar                                                              
      for All program.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
           - The AEA is developing community                                                                                    
      solar in disadvantaged communities.                                                                                       
           - The AHFC is developing residential                                                                                 
      rooftop solar for low income households.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
      .notdef Program benefits:                                                                                               
      - Energy cost savings,                                                                                                    
      - Increased resiliency,                                                                                                   
      - Distributed solar energy for low                                                                                        
      income and disadvantaged households,                                                                                      
      - Workforce development, and                                                                                              
      - Reduction in greenhouse gas                                                                                             
      emissions.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
      .notdef No match required for this competitive grant.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer pointed to slide 20, "Home Energy and High                                                                           
Efficiency Rebate Allocations                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
      Home Efficiency Rebates                                                                                                   
      .notdef Rebates for energy efficiency retrofits  range  from                                                            
      $2,000  --$4,000   for  individual  households   and  up  to                                                              
      $400,000 for multifamily buildings.                                                                                       
      .notdef Grants to states  to  provide   rebates   for   home                                                            
      retrofits.                                                                                                                
      .notdef Up to $2,000 for retrofits reducing energy use by 20                                                            
      percent  or more,  and up  to $4,000  for  retrofits  saving                                                              
      35 percent or more.                                                                                                       
      .notdef Maximum rebates amounts are doubled for retrofits of                                                            
      low and moderate income homes.                                                                                            
      .notdef Alaska's allocation: $37.4 million; no  State  match                                                            
      required.                                                                                                                 
      .notdef Funding is estimated   to  be   available    between                                                            
      fall/winter 2025.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
      Home Electrification and Appliance Rebates                                                                                
      .notdef Rebates for low and moderate income   households  to                                                            
      save energy   and  money  toward  energy  upgrades  made  to                                                              
      their primary residence.                                                                                                  
      .notdef Includes means testing and will provide  50  percent                                                            
      of the  project  cost  to residents   with  incomes  between                                                              
      80 to  150 percent.   Rebates  of 100  percent  for  incomes                                                              
      below  80 percent   of area  medium   income,  with  similar                                                              
      tiers for multifamily buildings.                                                                                          
      .notdef Includes a $14,000 cap per household, with an $8,000                                                            
      cap for  heat  pump costs,  $1,750  for  a heat  pump  water                                                              
      heater, and $4,000 for electrical panel/service                                                                           
      .notdef Other eligible rebates  include   electric   stoves,                                                            
      clothes dryers, and insulation/air sealing measures.                                                                      
      .notdef Alaska's allocation: $37.1 million; no  State  match                                                            
      required.                                                                                                                 
      .notdef Funding is estimated   to  be   available    between                                                            
      fall/winter 2025.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer highlighted slide 21, "Black Rapids Training                                                                         
Site    (BRTS)    Defense    Community    Infrastructure     Pilot                                                              
Program":                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
      The   AEA   partnered    with   Golden    Valley    Electric                                                              
      Cooperative  (GVEA)  and was  awarded  this  grant  from the                                                              
      Office  of  Local   Defense  Community   Cooperation   under                                                              
    the Defense Community Infrastructure Pilot Program.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
      Federal  Receipt  authority  of $15.7  million  received  in                                                              
      fiscal year 2024. No State match is required                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
      The GVEA  will  use  the  funds  to  extend  a transmission                                                               
    line 34 miles along the Richardson Highway to BRTS.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
      Currently,  BRTS  is  powered  by three  diesel  generators                                                               
      that are  nearing   the end  of  their  useful  lives.  This                                                              
      extension  will   improve  long   term  sustainability   and                                                              
      reliability  for  BRTS  by  tying  them  into  GVEA's  power                                                              
      grid.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer  addressed  slide  22,  "Federal  Funding  Awards  and                                                              
Pending Applications."                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:50:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer discussed   slide 24,  "Renewable  Energy  Fund  (REF)                                                              
Grand Program":                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
      Established   in   2008,   REF   provides    grant   funding                                                              
      (subject  to   Legislative   approval)   incentivizing   the                                                              
      development   of  qualifying  and  competitively    selected                                                              
      renewable  energy  projects.  The  program  is  designed  to                                                              
      produce  cost  effective  renewable   energy  for  heat  and                                                              
      power to benefit Alaskans statewide.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer  spoke   to  slide  25,  "REF  Round  17  Recommended                                                               
Projects to Legislature                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Hoffman   asked  about   the  work   in  Fairbanks   on                                                              
micronuclear power.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:54:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer   replied  that  AEA   was  supportive   of  exploring                                                              
nuclear energy.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair    Hoffman    remarked   that    people   were    already                                                              
investing in nuclear energy.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer  replied  that  there was  not  a current  investment                                                               
for  nuclear  power  due  to  the  most  immediate  need  of  bulk                                                              
fuel.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Hoffman  wondered   whether  there   could  be  further                                                              
examination   of the  other  entities  and  their  investments  in                                                              
the Lower 48 that were utilizing nuclear energy.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer agreed to provide that information.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Cronk   wondered  how  much   of  the  PCE  earnings  was                                                              
available each year.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer  responded  that  it  was  managed  by  the  Permanent                                                              
Fund  Corporation.   He explained  that  the  first  $48  million,                                                              
and  anything  after that  went  to the  community  assistance  at                                                              
$30  million.  He stated  that  beyond  that  $78  million,  there                                                              
was  a  "cascading   waterfall"   that   allowed  for  additional                                                               
earnings  up  to $25  million  to be  used  for bulk  fuel  loans,                                                              
powerhouse upgrades, or the Renewable Energy Fund.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer thanked the committee.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman discussed committee business.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
10:02:17 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 10:02 a.m.