Legislature(2025 - 2026)SENATE FINANCE 532

03/14/2025 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE

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09:02:41 AM Start
09:04:17 AM Major Maintenance and School Construction
10:29:17 AM Adjourn
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Mt. Edgecumbe High School
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                 SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                      March 14, 2025                                                                                            
                         9:02 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:02:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman   called  the  Senate   Finance  Committee                                                                    
meeting to order at 9:02 a.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyman Hoffman, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Bert Stedman, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Mike Cronk                                                                                                              
Senator James Kaufman                                                                                                           
Senator Jesse Kiehl                                                                                                             
Senator Kelly Merrick                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Donny Olson, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Michael   Butifoker,  Facilities   Manager,  Department   of                                                                    
Education and  Early Development; Lori Weed,  School Finance                                                                    
Manager, Department of Education  and Early Development; Dr.                                                                    
Lisa Parady,  Executive Director,  Alaska Council  of School                                                                    
Administrators;  Rod   Morrison,  Superintendent,  Southeast                                                                    
Island School District.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Jim  Anderson,  Chief  Operating Officer,  Anchorage  School                                                                    
District.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
^MAJOR MAINTENANCE AND SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:04:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL   BUTIFOKER,  FACILITIES   MANAGER,  DEPARTMENT   OF                                                                    
EDUCATION AND EARLY DEVELOPMENT, (DEED)                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:04:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LORI WEED, SCHOOL FINANCE MANAGER, DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION                                                                      
AND EARLY DEVELOPMENT, discussed "Capital Needs for School                                                                      
Facilities, Senate Finance Committee" (copy on file).                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:05:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed looked at slide 2, "Mission, Vision, and Purpose":                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Mission                                                                                                                    
    An excellent education for every student every day.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Vision                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     All students will succeed in  their education and work,                                                                    
     shape worthwhile  and satisfying lives  for themselves,                                                                    
     exemplify the best values of  society, and be effective                                                                    
     in  improving the  character and  quality of  the world                                                                    
     about them.                                                                                                                
     -Alaska Statute 14.03.015                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Purpose                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     DEED  exists  to  provide information,  resources,  and                                                                    
     leadership to support an  excellent education for every                                                                    
     student every day.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:05:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed addressed slide 3, "Strategic Priorities: Alaska's                                                                     
Education Challenge":                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Five Shared Priorities:                                                                                                    
     1. Support all  students to read at grade  level by the                                                                    
     end of third grade.                                                                                                        
     2. Increase career,  technical, and culturally relevant                                                                    
     education to meet student and workforce needs.                                                                             
     3.  Close the  achievement  gap  by ensuring  equitable                                                                    
     educational rigor and resources.                                                                                           
     4.  Prepare, attract,  and  retain effective  education                                                                    
     professionals.                                                                                                             
     5.  Improve  the  safety  and  well-being  of  students                                                                    
     through    school     partnerships    with    families,                                                                    
     communities, and tribes.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:05:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed pointed to slide 4, "Current Funding Mechanisms":                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     1. School Construction Grant Fund (1990) AS 14.11.005                                                                      
    2. Major Maintenance Grant Fund (1993) AS 14.11.007                                                                         
     3.  Regional  Educational  Attendance Area  (REAA)  and                                                                    
     Small Municipal  School District School Fund  (2010) AS                                                                    
     14.11.030                                                                                                                  
          - Indexed Fund                                                                                                        
          - DR Funding divided by percent of municipal                                                                          
         schools multiplied by 0.244 AS 14.11.025                                                                               
     4. School Debt Reimbursement (DR) Funding AS 14.11.102                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed addressed slide 5, "Current Project Categories (AS                                                                     
14.11.013)(School Construction and Major Maintenance)                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     (A) Avert  imminent danger or  correct life-threatening                                                                    
     situations;                                                                                                                
     (B)  House students  who would  otherwise be  unhoused;                                                                    
     for  purposes   of  this  subparagraph,   students  are                                                                    
     considered unhoused  if the  students attend  school in                                                                    
     temporary facilities;                                                                                                      
     (C)   Protect   the   structure  of   existing   school                                                                    
     facilities;                                                                                                                
     (D)  Correct building  code  deficiencies that  require                                                                    
     major  repair  or  rehabilitation   in  order  for  the                                                                    
     facility  to continue  to be  used for  the educational                                                                    
     program;                                                                                                                   
     (E) Achieve an operating cost savings;                                                                                     
     (F) Modify  or rehabilitate facilities for  the purpose                                                                    
     of improving the instructional program;                                                                                    
     (G) Meet  an educational  need not  specified in  (A)                                                                      
    (F) of this paragraph, identified by the department                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed looked at slide 6, "Capital Improvement Project                                                                        
(CIP) Eligibility":                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     1. Six-year capital improvement plan                                                                                       
    2. Functioning fixed asset inventory system (FAIS)                                                                          
     3. Proof of required property insurance                                                                                    
     4.  Certified   preventive  maintenance   and  facility                                                                    
     management program                                                                                                         
     5. Capital project and not routine maintenance                                                                             
     6. Participating share                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:10:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed discussed slide 7, "Grant Participation and                                                                            
Eligibility":                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     • Capital Improvement Project (CIP) Grant Application                                                                      
          • Due from school districts on or before                                                                              
          September 1 (annually)                                                                                                
          • CIP Application materials are posted on our                                                                         
          website                                                                                                               
          •(https://education.alaska.gov/facilities/facilit                                                                     
          iescip)                                                                                                               
     • Project Ranking                                                                                                          
          • Ranked in accordance with criteria in AS 14.11                                                                      
          and 4 AAC 31                                                                                                          
     • Eligibility                                                                                                              
          • Districts must have a six-year plan, a fixed                                                                        
          asset inventory system, adequate                                                                                      
          • property loss insurance, and a preventive                                                                           
          maintenance and facility                                                                                              
          • management program certified by the department                                                                      
     • CIP Priority Lists                                                                                                       
          • Initial lists are released on November 5                                                                            
          • Final lists are released after any appeals for                                                                      
          reconsideration are finalized                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed pointed to slide 8, "What does it take to fill out                                                                     
an application?"                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Project Justification: Clearly  articulate the need for                                                                    
     the  project,  including  factors  like  facility  age,                                                                    
     condition, and enrollment projections.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Scope of  Work: Provide  a detailed description  of the                                                                    
     proposed   work,  including   preliminary  designs   or                                                                    
     schematics.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Budget:  Present a  comprehensive budget  outlining all                                                                    
     project costs and the district's participating share.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Supporting    Documentation:     Include    educational                                                                    
     specifications,  facility  condition surveys,  and  any                                                                    
     other relevant assessments.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:13:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl asked whether an architect and engineer                                                                           
needed to be hired to submit a successful application.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weed replied  not necessarily.  She said  that she  had                                                                    
seen   successful  applications   that  had   not  hired   a                                                                    
professional engineer.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:14:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl asked whether it  would depend on the scope of                                                                    
the work needed.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:14:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed  replied that  it was  possible and  explained that                                                                    
districts  performed  conditional  surveys  with  their  own                                                                    
staff. She  said that the  best practice  would be to  get a                                                                    
professional opinion to ensure safety.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:15:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weed  discussed  slide   9,  "Grant  Participation  and                                                                    
EligibilityFY2016   FY2026   The  slide contained the FY2016                                                                    
through  FY2026 total  CIP grant  applications. She  noted a                                                                    
drop in FY2019 and FY2020 projects  due to the first uses of                                                                    
departmental authority  to reallocate  funds. She  said that                                                                    
over  the  last  decade  there had  been  approximately  117                                                                    
applications   submitted   annually,   or   a   60   percent                                                                    
participation rate.  She said that  during the  first decade                                                                    
of  the   program  there   had  been   an  average   of  176                                                                    
applications   submitted  annually,   with  an   83  percent                                                                    
participation  rate, which  were 25  percent funded  between                                                                    
the  grant  and  the  debt  programs.  That  percentage  was                                                                    
currently at 16 percent.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed addressed slide 10,  "Total Eligible Grant Projects                                                                    
and Actual  Grant Funding by  Fiscal Year  (whole dollars)                                                                      
The slide listed, in whole  dollars, for school construction                                                                    
grants  and major  maintenance grants.  She  noted that  the                                                                    
years  that showed  requests with  zero funded  amounts were                                                                    
the  years  that  the department  used  their  fund  balance                                                                    
allocation authority.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed looked at slide  11, "School Construction and Major                                                                    
Maintenance Requests  FY 2026 (whole dollars)                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed  displayed slide 12, "Total  Six-Year Plan Requests                                                                    
by FY (whole  dollars)   She said that the  slide provided a                                                                    
snapshot of districts current needs.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:18:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman  wondered,  given  the  magnitude  of  the                                                                    
requests,  whether the  department evaluated  the compliance                                                                    
of the 2011 Kasayulie consent decree.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:18:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weed  replied  that the  department  did  not  evaluate                                                                    
specifically  for the  settlement  but that  the list  rated                                                                    
rural districts as top priority.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:19:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  felt that the  department should  take the                                                                    
decree  into consideration.  He noted  a recent  report that                                                                    
showed deplorable conditions in  St. Paul where students had                                                                    
become ill because  of a faulty HVAC system.  He thought the                                                                    
department should be proactive ahead of another lawsuit.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:20:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed replied that the  department worked to provide safe                                                                    
and  healthy environments  for students  and noted  that the                                                                    
                                 th                                                                                             
school the senator spoke of was 6 on the list.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:21:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Botifoker agreed.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:21:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Hoffman  argued   that  the   request  from   the                                                                    
department  did  not  reflect  the  response  Ms.  Weed  was                                                                    
offering the committee.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:22:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked whether funding for  an airplane had                                                                    
been requested in the governors capital budget.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:22:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman confirmed.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:22:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  expressed concern that  the administration                                                                    
has  requested  zero funds  for  major  maintenance yet  had                                                                    
requested  funding for  an airplane.  He  thought that  HVAC                                                                    
systems  for  students  were  more of  a  priority  than  an                                                                    
airplane.  He asked  whether the  department had  requested,                                                                    
through OMB, to be included in the Capital Budget.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:23:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed  replied that the  department annually put  forth a                                                                    
list tot the governor as part of the statutory process.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:23:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weed  spoke  to  slide  13,  "Recent  Funding  (SB  237                                                                    
Report)":                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     • SB 237 (Chapter 93 SLA 2010)  AS 14.11.035                                                                               
          • Annual report on school construction and major                                                                      
          maintenance funding                                                                                                   
         • First report completed in February 2013                                                                              
     • $1,749,967,541 in project funding 7/1/2010-12/3/2024                                                                     
          • Total project value for Debt projects                                                                               
          • State share value for Grant projects                                                                                
       February 2025 School Capital Project Funding Under                                                                       
     SB237 Report                                                                                                               
          • Project Funding by District (report Appendix A)                                                                     
          • Project Listing by District (report Appendix B)                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:24:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl asked whether the  $1.75 billion was all state                                                                    
funds or if it included municipal tax dollars as well.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:24:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed  responded that  the number  did not  include local                                                                    
contributions.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:24:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl thought  that the  total project  value would                                                                    
include local contributions.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:24:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed  explained that the department  tracked state share                                                                    
for the  grant project and  the approved principal,  but not                                                                    
the state share of the approved principal.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:25:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl  requested that  the  breakout  of local  and                                                                    
state  projects  for  municipalities   be  provided  to  the                                                                    
committee. He understood that  schools not in municipalities                                                                    
were owned by the state.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:25:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed  replied that  according to  AS 14.08.151  the REAA                                                                    
and education  attendance areas could request  by resolution                                                                    
the  titles  to their  buildings.  She  believed there  were                                                                    
currently 66 state owned schools.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:26:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weed  looked  at  slide  14,  "Recommended  and  Funded                                                                    
Capital  Renewal  by FY    She  noted  the marked  shift  in                                                                    
percentage  of capital  funding over  the years  due to  the                                                                    
state budget  crisis. She added  that there continued  to be                                                                    
significant   reduction  in   capital  spending   on  school                                                                    
projects both  through the grant program  and by instituting                                                                    
the moratorium on the debt reimbursement program.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:27:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman asked  whether the  department recommended                                                                    
and extension to the moratorium for an additional 5 years.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:27:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed said that the department would follow statute.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:27:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman   interjected  that  the   department  had                                                                    
proposed extending the moratorium another 5 years.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:27:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weed agreed  that the  moratorium had  been recommended                                                                    
due to the fiscal climate.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:27:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl asked about the  recommended 3 percent capital                                                                    
renewal  and  whether  the condition  of  rural  schools  in                                                                    
Alaska could be categorized as having been maintained.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weed   replied  that  schools  throughout   the  state,                                                                    
regardless of whether they were  rural or urban, were likely                                                                    
not in a properly maintained state.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:28:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl  asked about  the percentage  of the  value of                                                                    
the significantly deteriorated Alaska school facilities.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:28:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed Asked for clarification of the question.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:28:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl  wanted to  know  the  industry standard  for                                                                    
owning a  group of buildings  and the percentage  of capital                                                                    
renewal for  maintaining those buildings. He  argued that if                                                                    
the  buildings   were  older  and  in   poor  condition  the                                                                    
percentage would not be 3 percent.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:29:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed  responded that she  did not have numbers  in front                                                                    
of  her.   She  agreed   that  the  industry   standard  for                                                                    
maintaining older  and crumbling  buildings would  be higher                                                                    
than 3 percent.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:29:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl  contended that  he had  never once  heard the                                                                    
observation that the way to  deal with dilapidated buildings                                                                    
was not to maintain them and let them deteriorate.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman agreed.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:30:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weed discussed  slide 15,  "Mt.  Edgecumbe High  School                                                                    
Deferred Maintenance (MEHS) (whole dollars)":                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     • Current projects funded $11,424,000                                                                                      
     • FY2026 deferred maintenance request $22,842,000                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed  shared that MEHS  did not  fall under the  AS 1411                                                                    
grant  program   and  received   direct  funding   from  the                                                                    
legislature and could received money  from the Department of                                                                    
Transportation  and Public  Facilities deferred  maintenance                                                                    
list.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:30:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman expressed  concern  that  lumping MEHS  in                                                                    
with  all  the buildings  owned  by  the  state would  be  a                                                                    
disadvantage to the  school. He asked who  requested the $22                                                                    
million in funds and how the funds would be used.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:31:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed  replied that the  request was submitted  by DOT&PF                                                                    
on the deferred maintenance list.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:31:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  wondered how the  funds would get  to MEHS                                                                    
from DOT&PF.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:31:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed replied that she did not know.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:32:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  thought that  it was an  educational need,                                                                    
and  that   the  department  should   follow  up   with  the                                                                    
distribution of  the funds so  that the school  was properly                                                                    
maintained. He  surmised that DEED  had let the  funds  slip                                                                    
through  the cracks.   He believed  that  the management  of                                                                    
MEHS   should  be   reevaluated.   He   spoke  to   previous                                                                    
legislation that  made MEHS part  of the  educational system                                                                    
and not managed by DOT&PF.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:33:21 AM                                                                                                                    
Co-Chair  Stedman argued  that MEHS  did not  have a  proper                                                                    
advocate. He expressed  dismay with the lack  of advocacy by                                                                    
DOT&PF  for MEHS.  He felt  that MEHS  was treated  unfairly                                                                    
when compared  to other  schools in  the state.  He lamented                                                                    
that the only  way to fund the deferred  maintenance of MEHS                                                                    
was to  put a line  item in  the budget, which  the governor                                                                    
would  ultimately veto,  which  he described  as unfair  and                                                                    
unequitable.  He  hoped that  the  committee  would look  to                                                                    
legislation that  would give MEHS parity  with other schools                                                                    
in the state.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:36:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  believed that staff was  currently working                                                                    
on legislation.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:36:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kaufman   asked  whether   the  department   had  a                                                                    
mechanism   for   ranking   preservative   maintenance    of                                                                    
buildings to avoid the premature deterioration of systems.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weed   replied  that  part  of   the  requirements  for                                                                    
eligibility  was  that  the districts  have  an  operational                                                                    
preventative    maintenance   program.    She   said    that                                                                    
preventative maintenance  was an  important part  of keeping                                                                    
buildings in good condition.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:38:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Kaufman   thought   that   maintaining   buildings                                                                    
regularly helped in the overall life of the building.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:39:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed  responded that many  school districts in  the last                                                                    
decade  had faced  financial challenges  and that  funds had                                                                    
been  stretched  between  funding  classrooms  and  building                                                                    
maintenance.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:40:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kaufman  expounded on potential risks  and potential                                                                    
returns and  the  efficient frontier   in terms  of building                                                                    
maintenance.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:41:11 AM                                                                                                                    
Ms. Weed addressed slide 6, Additional Resources.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:41:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl noted  that the  administration had  not sent                                                                    
departmental leadership  to the hearing. He  highlighted the                                                                    
inadequate  level of  capital renewal  funding. He  stressed                                                                    
that  the  governor  had requested  no  funding  for  school                                                                    
maintenance  in the  budget. He  hypothesized that  the plan                                                                    
for  funding  was  to  burn down  schools  and  collect  the                                                                    
insurance money.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:42:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  thought that  the state  was in  danger of                                                                    
facing  further  litigation  due  to the  condition  of  the                                                                    
schools.  He contended  that the  quality of  education that                                                                    
schools  provided directly  correlated to  the condition  of                                                                    
the buildings.  He cited the  Kasayulie case where  snow was                                                                    
coming into schools  and toilets were backing  up. He argued                                                                    
that the state  should not wait to end up  in the same legal                                                                    
position that led to that court decision.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:44:23 AM                                                                                                                    
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9:45:48 AM                                                                                                                    
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9:46:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  LISA  PARADY,  EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR,  ALASKA  COUNCIL  OF                                                                    
SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS,  discussed the  presentation, "School                                                                    
District  Major  Maintenance  Sleetmute  School  Foundation,                                                                    
Kuspuk  School District"  (copy on  file). She  detailed her                                                                    
qualifications on slide 2.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Parady   looked  at  slide  3,   "ACSA  Joint  Position                                                                    
Statements - Major Maintenance":                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     ACSA  advocates  for  a  thorough  review  and  updated                                                                    
     process  of  the  Department  of  Education  and  Early                                                                    
     Development's  (DEED)   Major  Maintenance  application                                                                    
     process.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     In  order to  provide  students and  staff  a safe  and                                                                    
     healthy   environment,   we   must   ensure   reliable,                                                                    
     adequate,  and  equitable   funding  through  the  DEED                                                                    
     school  construction process  for capital  projects and                                                                    
    major maintenance to existing district facilities.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Parady pointed  to slide  4, "Alaska  Schools -  by the                                                                    
numbers":                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     129,903 students                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     53 school districts. In business terms, largest                                                                            
     employer in most communities                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     444 school facilities, 63 percent are greater than 40                                                                      
     years old                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Parady addressed slide  5, "Ongoing Challenges: Deferred                                                                    
maintenance                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Growing maintenance needs, limited state funding                                                                           
          - Average building age: 45 years                                                                                      
          - 83 buildings are over 60 years old                                                                                  
     Current backlog: Over $330 million and growing                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:49:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Parady  discussed  slide   6,  "School  District  Major                                                                    
Maintenance":                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     ?    Alaska's   schools    are   facing    a   critical                                                                  
     infrastructure crisis.                                                                                                     
     ? Years of underfunding and deferred maintenance have                                                                    
     left schools in poor condition.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Parady noted  the photo  of  Homer High  School on  the                                                                    
right hand  of the slide,  which showed a rotting  roof. She                                                                    
lamented that many  of the schools on  the major maintenance                                                                    
list had  been on the  list for  many years, with  no action                                                                    
taken, which caused the buildings to further deteriorate.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Parady  looked  at slide  7,  "Recommended  and  Funded                                                                    
Capital Renewal by  Fiscal Year - DEED 2024."  She said that                                                                    
since  2014, the  legislature  had not  funded  half of  the                                                                    
recommended  amount, that  coupled  with  the moratorium  on                                                                    
school  bond debt  had left  boroughs and  municipalities to                                                                    
pay for projects and had left  REAA districts to use flat or                                                                    
underfunded general funds. She  stressed that the moratorium                                                                    
on school bond debt  reimbursement had forced many districts                                                                    
to  defer  school  construction projects  that  resulted  in                                                                    
further  deterioration and  long-term  damage, resulting  in                                                                    
unsafe conditions and higher costs for districts.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Parady  addressed slide 8,  "Projects on the  DEED Major                                                                    
Maintenance List    The slide listed projects  that had been                                                                    
on the DEED  Major Maintenance list since  2018. She pointed                                                                    
out  the projects  in Yupiit  and Kake  that had  been moved                                                                    
down the priority  list over the years. She  said that there                                                                    
were 84  total projects  on this year's  list but  that many                                                                    
schools had not  applied due to the cost  of the application                                                                    
process and that projects were not prioritized on the list.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:52:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Parady looked  at  slide 9,  "Current  State of  Alaska                                                                    
Schools":                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
    ? Structural damage, mold, failing heating systems.                                                                       
     ? Unsafe learning environments.                                                                                          
     ? Impact on student health and academic performance.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Parady  exclaimed  that  the  maintenance  issues  made                                                                    
teacher  recruitment and  retention  challenging. She  noted                                                                    
that  the conditions  were not  conducive  to learning.  The                                                                    
picture  on the  slide showed  the  attic of  the school  in                                                                    
McGrath; a  tarp filled with  ice and catching water  from a                                                                    
leaking  roof. She  related that  this was  an example  of a                                                                    
maintenance need that was not on  the list from DEED but was                                                                    
impacting students.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Parady   addressed  slide  10,  "Effects   of  Deferred                                                                    
maintenance                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Galena School Splitting due to foundation failures -                                                                       
     Galena School District                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Elevator out of service since 2004 - Kuspuk School                                                                         
     District                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Kenny Lake Boilers - Copper River School District                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Parady  said that none  of the schools pictured  were on                                                                    
the DEED Major Maintenance list.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Parady   discussed  slide  11,  "Effects   of  Deferred                                                                    
maintenance                                                                                                                     
     Bathroom Floor in Nikolai School - Iditarod School                                                                         
     District                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Soldotna High School Siding - Kenai School District -                                                                      
     Project 4                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Standing water under Chevak                                                                                                
     School - Kashunamiut School                                                                                                
     District - Project 24                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Parady  revealed that two  of the schools  pictured were                                                                    
on the  DEED Major Maintenance  List at number 4  and number                                                                    
24.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Parady highlighted slide 12, "Proposed Solutions":                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     ? Increase state capital funding.                                                                                        
     ? Develop a long-term maintenance strategy.                                                                              
     ? Ensure equitable resource distribution.                                                                                
     ? Review and update the application process                                                                              
          ? Separate lists for REAA districts and                                                                             
          Municipal/Borough districts                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Parady stated  that DEED  should  provide engineer  and                                                                    
architectural  support to  districts that  did not  have the                                                                    
resources to  complete the  applications. She  stressed that                                                                    
the  lack of  maintenance on  Alaskas  school  was impacting                                                                    
every area of the state.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:57:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Parady thanked the committee.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:57:41 AM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:59:07 AM                                                                                                                    
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9:59:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROD  MORRISON,   SUPERINTENDENT,  SOUTHEAST   ISLAND  SCHOOL                                                                    
DISTRICT (via  teleconference), discussed  the presentation,                                                                    
"School    District   Major    Maintenance   Rod    Morrison                                                                    
Superintendent, Southeast  Island School District"  (copy on                                                                    
file).                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:01:52 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Morrison addressed slide 2, "Southeast Island School                                                                        
District (2577 sq. miles)":                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     REAA - Rural Education Attendance Area                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     1. Kasaan School - 1982 (temporary portable modular -                                                                      
     20 yr)                                                                                                                     
     2. Whale Pass School - 1985 (temporary portable                                                                            
     modular - former logging camp community hub - 20 yr)                                                                       
     3. Port Alexander School - 1982 / 1985                                                                                     
     4. Thorne Bay School - 1989                                                                                                
     5. Naukati School - 2005                                                                                                   
     6. Coffman Cove School - 2009                                                                                              
     7. Hollis School - 2023                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Morrison relayed that all the campuses in the district                                                                      
had greenhouses that grew food for lunch programs and local                                                                     
food banks.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Morrison discussed slide 3, "THORNE BAY SCHOOL                                                                              
UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANK REPLACEMENTS:"                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          CIP: Major Maintenance application submitted                                                                          
          for 18 years.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                       th                                                                                                       
          FY26 rank: 75                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          Requested in 2008: $152,686                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
          Sediment  from degrading  tank  and pipes  clogged                                                                    
          safety devices  and flooded Thorne Bay  Gym Boiler                                                                    
          2  and  boiler  room  with  over  150  gallons  of                                                                    
          diesel.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
          Diesel   completely   filled   boiler   combustion                                                                    
          chamber and  ran out front  boiler door.  Had this                                                                    
          ignited, it could have  destroyed the building and                                                                    
          harmed the patrons in it (October 9, 2024)                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
          The tank and or lines have clearly failed.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
          Amount Requested: $1,182,737                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:04:54 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Morrison pointed to slide 4, "Thorne Bay K-12 Fire                                                                          
Suppression":                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     CIP:  Major Maintenance  application  submitted for  17                                                                    
     years.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     FY26 rank: 38                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Requested in 2009: $1,014,255                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     THORNE   BAY  K-12   SCHOOL  FIRE   SUPPRESSION  SYSTEM                                                                    
     REPLACEMENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Gym System completely inoperable since March 12, 2024                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     During  a  gym  light  replacement  project,  we  found                                                                    
     multiple  lights that  almost caught  fire without  the                                                                    
     fire suppression system working.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Fire system is  beyond repair, and they  no longer make                                                                    
     parts to fix it.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Amount Requested: $1,375,904                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Morrison presented a light  bulb from the gymnasium that                                                                    
had  nearly caught  fire. The  fire  suppression system  had                                                                    
been inoperable.  Replacement of the lights  was expected to                                                                    
be $29,0000.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Morrison pointed to slide 5, "Thorne Bay K-12 School                                                                        
HVAC Mechanical Control":                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     CIP:  Major Maintenance  application  submitted for  18                                                                    
     years.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     FY26 rank: 22                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Requested in 2011: $877,083                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     This  project  will  replace  the  failing  35-year-old                                                                    
     pneumatic HVAC  controls at the school  with modern DDC                                                                    
     control  system  for  greater  reliability  and  energy                                                                    
     efficiency.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Water main leak.  Parts to fix it  were discontinued 15                                                                    
     years ago.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Amount Requested: $1,496,950                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:07:10 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Morrison discussed slide 6, "SISD HVAC Mechanical                                                                           
Controls":                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     FY  2008-2025:   THORNE  BAY  K-12   SCHOOL  MECHANICAL                                                                    
     CONTROL UPGRADES                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     HVAC System  failure -  36 yrs old,  the F1  Supply Fan                                                                    
     for  Secondary Wing  was completely  destroyed when  it                                                                    
     wore out. (Installed June 24,  1988, inoperable on July                                                                    
     29, 2024)                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Morrison noted that he had never seen a fan in such                                                                         
deplorable condition.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Morrison addressed slide 7, "SISD Thorne Bay School -                                                                       
Boiler Room":                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     FY  2008-2025:   THORNE  BAY  K-12   SCHOOL  MECHANICAL                                                                    
     CONTROL UPGRADES                                                                                                           
     Burst  water  fitting,  only  caught  by  happenstance.                                                                    
     Flooded  boiler room  to school  and boiler  electrical                                                                    
     was   underwater.  Clogged   floor  drains   from  pipe                                                                    
     degradation and scaling.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Morrison said that during a walk through in December                                                                        
2024 the boiler room had been flooded. He said that                                                                             
outdated equipment made regular maintenance challenging.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Morrison spoke to slide 8, "Barry Craig Stewart Kasaan                                                                      
K-12 and Whale Pass K-12 School Renovation":                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Capital   Improvement    Project:   Major   Maintenance                                                                    
     application submitted for 18 years.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     FY26 rank: 26                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Requested in 2008: $558,615                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Furnace  deteriorated to  the point  that flame  burned                                                                    
     through burn chamber at the Kasaan School.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Multiple school furnace failures                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Amount Requested: $1,496,950                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Morrison pointed to slide 9, "Thorne Bay K-12 School                                                                        
Campus Roof Replacement":                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     CIP:  Major Maintenance  application  submitted for  14                                                                    
     years.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     FY26 rank: 81                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Requested in 2014: $228,406                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     The  roofing  at  the  school  and  gym  buildings  has                                                                    
     reached the end of its life span and is leaking.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     The roof leaks in several areas.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     We  often have  to  put garbage  cans  in classroom  to                                                                    
     catch  the water.  This is  a major  roof problem  that                                                                    
     recently  flooded the  concession stand  and the  room.                                                                    
     This leak was discovered on a weekend.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Amount Requested: $4,020,847                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Morrison looked at slide 10, "Port Alexander K-12                                                                           
School Upgrades":                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Capital   Improvement    Project:   Major   Maintenance                                                                    
     application submitted for 18 years.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     FY26 rank: 60                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Requested in 2008: $110,152                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     PORT ALEXANDER  K-12 SCHOOL DOMESTIC WATER  SYSTEM PIPE                                                                    
     REPLACEMENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Laundry  Room  floor  has  rotted   out  and  has  been                                                                    
     repaired   several  times.   As   a  result,   multiple                                                                    
     widespread  plumbing  leaks  have occurred  inside  the                                                                    
     insulated  floor  structure,  soaking main  beams,  and                                                                    
     causing  structural integrity  issues.  (June 7,  2024,                                                                    
     and more October 10, 2024)                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Morrison shared that the replacement of two doors at                                                                        
the school had cost $50,000 in general fund dollars.                                                                            
Mr. Morrison  displayed slide 11,  "All of our  schools also                                                                    
serve  the  communities  as gathering  spots  and  emergency                                                                    
shelters."  He  said that  parents  in  his communities  had                                                                    
pulled their  children out of school  citing safety hazards.                                                                    
He  related  that  in  their current  budget  there  was  no                                                                    
funding   for  activity   travel,  school   counselors,  CTE                                                                    
teachers, and one principal oversaw eight different sites.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:12:20 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman thanked Mr.  Morrison for the presentation.                                                                    
He  lamented  that there  was  no  representative from  DEED                                                                    
present at the meeting to  take questions from the committee                                                                    
on  the  conditions  of  the   schools.  He  said  that  the                                                                    
conditions  in Mr.  Morrisons  district  mirrored conditions                                                                    
in many rural areas of the state.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:13:09 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  spoke of  previous funding  for playground                                                                    
fencing at Jack Egnaty School.  He asked whether the fencing                                                                    
was still functional.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:13:34 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Morrison  replied that the fencing  was still functional                                                                    
was  regularly  maintained.  He  added  that  several  other                                                                    
schools did not have playgrounds or gymnasiums.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:14:06 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman appreciated the response.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:14:30 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Morrison  argued  that the  CIP  application  was  near                                                                    
impossible  for smaller  schools to  complete. He  said that                                                                    
his district could not afford  to hire professionals to help                                                                    
complete the  application. He contended that  the CIP system                                                                    
was broken.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:15:18 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  thought that the Capital  Budget chairs in                                                                    
both   bodies   could   request  that   the   administration                                                                    
streamline  and revamp  the  CIP  application system  before                                                                    
January 2026.                                                                                                                   
10:15:49 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Morrison  shared the successes  of his  school district.                                                                    
He noted that  the attendance rate in this  district was the                                                                    
third  highest in  the state.  He shared  that the  students                                                                    
worked hard,  and that staff  retention and hiring  had been                                                                    
successful in the recent school  year. He relayed that eight                                                                    
new CTE classes  had been added to the  curriculum   without                                                                    
adding to the budget.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:18:03 AM                                                                                                                   
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10:19:18 AM                                                                                                                   
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10:19:52 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JIM  ANDERSON,  CHIEF  OPERATING OFFICER,  ANCHORAGE  SCHOOL                                                                    
DISTRICT, discussed, "School  District Major Maintenance Jim                                                                    
Anderson, Anchorage School District" (copy on file).                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Anderson  looked at slide 2,  "Anchorage School District                                                                    
-by the numbers":                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     42,638 students                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     7.8 Million Sq. Ft. of facilities                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     84 school facilities + 6 support facilities Avg Age:                                                                       
     39 years 42 percent are greater than 50 years old                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:20:55 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Anderson   addressed  slide  3,   "Ongoing  Challenges:                                                                    
Deferred  maintenance   The  slide  showed  that State  Bond                                                                    
Debt  Reimbursement  had  ended  in 2015,  resulting  in  an                                                                    
increase in  the facility maintenance  backlog as  the total                                                                    
bond  debt funding  decreased. He  said that  putting the  3                                                                    
percent  annual  maintenance  and operations  costs  of  the                                                                    
replacement  value of  facilities into  building maintenance                                                                    
would  have  significantly   reduced  current  problems.  He                                                                    
expounded  on  the  challenges   of  keeping  up  with  Best                                                                    
Practices and maintaining facilities.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.    Anderson    discussed    slide    4,    "Prioritizing                                                                    
Infrastructure Requirements                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Life Safety & Emergencies                                                                                                
     Security Vestibules                                                                                                        
     Roof & protection of structure                                                                                             
     Heat plant                                                                                                                 
     Intercom/fire                                                                                                              
     Detection/security                                                                                                         
     Building Deterioration                                                                                                     
     Structural/seismic                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Facility Condition Improvements                                                                                          
     Condition and expected life of systems                                                                                     
     Systems that are high demand for frequent corrective                                                                       
     maintenance                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Educational Improvements                                                                                                 
     Address missing educational spaces                                                                                         
     Address deficient educational spaces                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Cost Savings                                                                                                             
     Energy savings                                                                                                             
     Reduce/eliminate costs for outdated systems                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:25:35 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Anderson  highlighted slide  5, "FY26  Major Maintenance                                                                    
Project List   The slide listed  8 of the Anchorage district                                                                    
projects  in the  top 25  on the  states  Major  Maintenance                                                                    
Project List.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Anderson discussed slide 6, "Component Life Cycle                                                                           
Replacement":                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     ? Roofs (3 Roofs per year to maintain) = Avg. of $15                                                                     
     Million/Year                                                                                                               
     ? Boilers (Avg. 3 Boilers/School, or replace 9                                                                           
     Boilers/year) = Avg. of $10 Million/Year                                                                                   
     ? Flooring/Carpeting (3 Schools/year to maintain) =                                                                      
     Avg. of $6 Million/Year                                                                                                    
     ? Lighting and Energy Efficiency Requires up-front                                                                       
     funding but reduces long-term costs. Frequently this                                                                       
     item is low on priority but high in long-term savings                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Anderson pointed to slide 7, "Facility Condition                                                                            
Impacts Education The slide contained photos of depicting                                                                       
deterioration and maintenance issues in several schools.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:28:26 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Anderson thanked the committee and offered to answer                                                                        
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman discussed housekeeping.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
10:29:17 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 10:29 a.m.