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02/06/2025 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE

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09:02:07 AM Alaksa Mental Health Trust Authority
10:15:21 AM Adjourn
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                 SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     February 6, 2025                                                                                           
                         9:01 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:01:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman   called  the  Senate   Finance  Committee                                                                    
meeting to order at 9:01 a.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bert Stedman, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Mike Cronk                                                                                                              
Senator James Kaufman                                                                                                           
Senator Jesse Kiehl                                                                                                             
Senator Kelly Merrick                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyman Hoffman, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Donny Olson, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Brent  Fisher,  Chair,  Board  of  Trustees,  Alaska  Mental                                                                    
Health  Trust Authority;  Dr. Mary  Wilson, Chief  Executive                                                                    
Officer,  Alaska   Mental  Health  Trust   Authority;  Julee                                                                    
Farley, chief Financial Officer,  Alaska Mental Health Trust                                                                    
Authority;  Jusdi  Warner,  Executive Director,  Trust  Land                                                                    
Office, Alaska Mental Health  Trust Authority; Katie Baldwin                                                                    
Johnson,  Chief  Operating  Officer,  Alaska  Mental  Health                                                                    
Trust  Authority;   Senator  Cathy  Giessel;   Senator  Gary                                                                    
Stevens.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
^ALAKSA MENTAL HEALTH TRUST AUTHORITY                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:02:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRENT  FISHER,  CHAIR,  BOARD  OF  TRUSTEES,  ALASKA  MENTAL                                                                    
HEALTH TRUST AUTHORITY,  discussed the presentation, "Senate                                                                    
Finance  Committee  February 6,  2025"  (copy  on file).  He                                                                    
looked at slide 2, "Trustees":                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     • Brent Fisher, Chair                                                                                                      
     • Agnes Moran, Vice Chair, Program and Planning                                                                            
     Committee Chair                                                                                                            
     • Rhonda Boyles, Secretary                                                                                                 
    • Corri Feige, Resource Management Committee Chair                                                                          
     • Kevin Fimon, Audit and Risk Committee Chair                                                                              
     • John Morris, Finance Committee Chair                                                                                     
     • Anita Halterman, Trustee                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Fisher relayed  that the board was  an independent board                                                                    
that   provided   governance,   fiduciary   oversight,   and                                                                    
direction to  the organization in  achieving the  mission of                                                                    
the  trust.  Trustees  are appointed  by  the  governor  and                                                                    
confirmed by the legislature.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:03:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Fisher pointed to slide 3, "Trust Beneficiaries":                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Trust beneficiaries include Alaskans who experience:                                                                       
     • Mental illnesses                                                                                                         
     • Intellectual and/or developmental disabilities                                                                           
     • Alzheimer's disease and related dementia                                                                                 
     • Traumatic brain injuries                                                                                                 
     • Substance use disorders                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Fisher  stated that the  trust supported both  youth and                                                                    
adult beneficiaries.  He related that the  trust prioritized                                                                    
individuals  with behavioral  or developmental  disabilities                                                                    
that placed them at risk  of institutionalization if they do                                                                    
not  have proper  community level  support and  services. He                                                                    
said that the trust also considered preventative services.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:04:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Fisher addressed slide 4, "Role of the Trust":                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     • Administer the Mental Health Trust, a perpetual                                                                          
     trust                                                                                                                      
     •   Improve   lives    and   circumstances   of   Trust                                                                    
     beneficiaries                                                                                                              
     • Protect and enhance value of Trust lands while                                                                           
     maximizing revenues from them over time                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Fisher explained that the  AMHTA was a state corporation                                                                    
that administered the perpetual  Alaska Mental Health Trust,                                                                    
meant  to improve  the lives  of beneficiaries.  shared that                                                                    
the  trust held  a  unique place  in  state government;  the                                                                    
trust  is an  independent state  organization that  used the                                                                    
proceeds  of  its  assets  to  ensure  beneficiaries  had  a                                                                    
comprehensive   suite  of   mental  health   and  disability                                                                    
services.  He furthered  that the  trust  used resources  to                                                                    
partner  closely with  the  state,  local governments,  non-                                                                    
profits,  and tribal  governments.  He said  that the  Trust                                                                    
Land  Office  was contracted  exclusively  by  the trust  to                                                                    
manage approximately  1 million  acres of land  and non-cash                                                                    
assets  to  generate  revenue  overtime  that  will  benefit                                                                    
beneficiaries.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:05:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Fisher looked  at slide 5, "About the  Trust", which was                                                                    
a video explaining the Alaska  Mental Health Trust Authority                                                                    
(AMHTA). https://alaskamentalhealthtrust.org/about/                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman  acknowledged  Senator Giessel  and  Former                                                                    
Senate President, Rick Halford, in the gallery.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:09:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  MARY WILSON,  CHIEF  EXECUTIVE  OFFICER, ALASKA  MENTAL                                                                    
HEALTH TRUST AUTHORITY,  pointed to slide 6,  "New CEO Joins                                                                    
the Trust":                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
   Mary Wilson, MD joined the Trust on January 22, 2025                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Wilson provided  a  brief  biography, highlighting  her                                                                    
education,  experience  in  public  health,  and  employment                                                                    
background.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:11:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Wilson discussed  slide  7,  "Financial Position    The                                                                    
slide contained a line graph  that showed the trust invested                                                                    
assets from 1997  through 2024. The bars  showed the corpus,                                                                    
trust  reserves, unrealized  appreciation,  and real  estate                                                                    
equity.  The  slide  contained  a box  in  the  upper  right                                                                    
corner:                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Primary Trust Financial Assets (end of FY24)                                                                           
     Menta Health Trust Fund - $551,221,000                                                                                     
     Trust Reserves - $128,996,766                                                                                              
     Unrealized Appreciation $108,374,000                                                                                       
     Real Estate Investment Equity - $59,846,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Wilson  relayed that  since  the  trusts  inception  in                                                                    
1996, the corpus  had grown due to  revenues from activities                                                                    
on  trust  lands  and   permanent  transfers  for  inflation                                                                    
proofing.  She   said  a  four-year  average   was  used  to                                                                    
calculate the  annual withdrawal  from the fund  and develop                                                                    
the yearly budget. She said  that the trust reserves assured                                                                    
the prudent  spending for  beneficiaries even  during market                                                                    
downturns.  She  stated  that  the  unrealized  appreciation                                                                    
varied from year-to-year  and was based on  market value and                                                                    
was not  available for spending until  realized. She related                                                                    
that the real  estate equity had contributed  to the overall                                                                    
growth of  the trusts  financial investments.  She said that                                                                    
the 1 million  acres of trust lands was not  included in the                                                                    
chart  because it  was challenging  to assess  the financial                                                                    
value of 1 million acres.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:14:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  asked  for  more  information  about  the                                                                    
unrealized appreciation,  and wondered  whether it  was part                                                                    
of  the overall  portfolio that  was used  to calculate  the                                                                    
withdraw rate.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:14:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Wilson asked if the  question was whether the unrealized                                                                    
appreciation went into the spendable calculation.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:14:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  clarified he  wanted a clearer  picture of                                                                    
the  overall market  value of  the corpus  of the  trust. He                                                                    
noted that the  trust portfolio was growing  faster than the                                                                    
corpus Alaska Permanent Fund.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:15:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JULEE FARLEY, CHIEF FINANCIAL  OFFICER, ALASKA MENTAL HEALTH                                                                    
TRUST AUTHORITY, asked for a repeat of the question.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:15:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman said  he was trying to relate  the chart to                                                                    
the actual  management of the  portfolio. He noted  that the                                                                    
growth of the permanent fund  had leveled off. He noted that                                                                    
the withdrawal  rates and the look  back timeframes differed                                                                    
between  the   two  funds.  He  thought   that  the  trusts                                                                     
portfolio  was  performing well,  better  than  that of  the                                                                    
permanent  fund, and  asked if  the unrealized  appreciation                                                                    
was part of the marketable securities in the portfolio.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:16:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Farley  replied   that  unrealized   appreciation  was                                                                    
included  in  the value  of  the  fund,  on which  the  4.25                                                                    
percent payout each year was calculated.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:17:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  thought that  a future  presentation could                                                                    
compare  the  ways  the  two  portfolios  were  managed.  He                                                                    
reiterated that the AMHT portfolio  had been performing very                                                                    
well.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:17:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Wilson highlighted slide 8, "Commercial Real Estate":                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     • Managed as 7 to 20-year investments                                                                                      
     • Trust in the process of disposing of portfolio; 2 of                                                                     
     6 properties sold                                                                                                          
     • Occupancy rate for four remaining Trust owned                                                                            
     properties is currently 92 percent, and the portfolio                                                                      
     is exceeding applicable NCREIF performance benchmarks                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Wilson stated that the assets were managed by                                                                               
professionals at the Trust Land Office. She said that in                                                                        
2024 the trust sold its commercial real estate portfolio                                                                        
since it had met investment objectives. She noted that or                                                                       
the four remaining trust owned properties one was in Alaska                                                                     
and three are in Texas.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:19:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl   asked  about   the  seven   properties.  He                                                                    
reiterated that two  had been sold and  four remained, which                                                                    
added up to 6.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Wilson  explained that  one of  the properties  had been                                                                    
reclassified as  a program real  estate property  because it                                                                    
leased space that benefitted beneficiaries.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:19:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Kiehl  understood   the  property   had  been   an                                                                    
investment and was not a trust office.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:19:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Wilson responded  that she  needed more  information to                                                                    
answer the question.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:20:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JUSDI WARNER, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR,  TRUST LAND OFFICE, ALASKA                                                                    
MENTAL HEALTH  TRUST AUTHORITY, explained that  the property                                                                    
in question  had been reclassified  as program  related real                                                                    
estate and had always held  the Trust Land Office. She added                                                                    
that  it recently  begun  serving beneficiary  organizations                                                                    
that  might  not  be aimed  toward  being  income  producing                                                                    
tenants.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:20:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator    Kiehl   asked    for    documentation   of    the                                                                    
reclassification.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:21:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman called  the matter  a  sticky  wicket  and                                                                    
thought  that the  recent audit  could  provide clarity.  He                                                                    
asked that the tables from  the audit be extended to provide                                                                    
more detail on the cash flow  and sell dates of the existing                                                                    
properties.  He  thought the location that  Sen. Kiehl spoke                                                                    
of was in Alaska and not Texas.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:21:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Warner replied in the affirmative.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:22:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  thought  that updating  the  table  would                                                                    
provide clarity for the committee.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:22:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman  requested  the  updated  table  from  the                                                                    
authority.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:22:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Warner agreed to provide that information.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:22:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Wilson pointed  to slide  9, "FY26  Available Funding                                                                      
The   slide   demonstrated   how   available   funding   was                                                                    
determined,  and the  annual budget  for  the coming  fiscal                                                                    
year. The chart on the  right illustrated that the available                                                                    
funding showed  stable growth.  She noted  that in  FY24 the                                                                    
board  had  approved  an  update  to  the  formula  used  to                                                                    
determine the  annual expenditure amount. She  said that for                                                                    
this and  future revenue  calculations, a  four-year average                                                                    
would be used  for invested assets, but  now the calculation                                                                    
would  use a  two-year  average of  both  Trust Land  Office                                                                    
income and the prior years   unexpended funds. She said that                                                                    
the changes would increase certainty  for the annual revenue                                                                    
calculation.  She relayed  that the  largest portion  of the                                                                    
annual  spend was  funded through  withdrawal from  invested                                                                    
assets, which  was 4.25  percent of  the average  value from                                                                    
the  previous  four years.  She  furthered  that a  two-year                                                                    
average of  prior funds  would be  carried forward  and were                                                                    
grants  from   previous  years  that  had   not  been  fully                                                                    
expended.  Unused  grant funds  were  rolled  back into  the                                                                    
annual  spend calculation.   She  said that  the Trust  Land                                                                    
Office spendable  income contributed to the  available spend                                                                    
estimate.   The  total   estimated  available   funding  was                                                                    
$39,949,400.  The   payout  rate  began  at   3  percent  at                                                                    
inception  and had  slowly  increased  overtime. The  payout                                                                    
rate was currently under discussion.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:24:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman requested  that the  authority notify  the                                                                    
committee once the discussion on the payout rate concluded.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Wilson agreed to provide that information.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:25:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Wilson addressed slide 10, "FY 26 Spending                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Agency Budgets                                                                                                             
     Trust Authority (MHT Admin): $5,306.8                                                                                      
     Trust Land Office (MHTAAR): $5,556.6                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     MHTAAR Grants                                                                                                              
     $10,196.8                                                                                                                  
     Designated grants to state agencies, requires receipt                                                                      
     authority                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Authority Grants                                                                                                           
     $19,119.3                                                                                                                  
     Designated grants to community providers, nonprofits,                                                                      
     local governments and Tribal organizations                                                                                 
     Includes $1.9M in mini grants                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:27:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Wilson looked at slide 11, "MHTAAR Grants, FY26":                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Total: $10,196.8(53 MHTAAR Projects)                                                                                       
          Department of Health ($4,413.9)                                                                                       
          UAA ($1,870.0)                                                                                                        
          AHFC ($1,485.0)                                                                                                       
          Department of Corrections ($1,041.7)                                                                                  
          Department of Family and Community Services                                                                           
          ($587.0)                                                                                                              
          Department of Administration ($355.9)                                                                                 
          Alaska Court System ($158.3)                                                                                          
          Department of Public Safety ($130.0)                                                                                  
          Department of Education and Early Development                                                                         
          ($130.0)                                                                                                              
          Department of Labor and Workforce Development                                                                         
          ($25.0)                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:28:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Wilson   displayed  slide   12,  "Trustee   FY26  GF/MH                                                                    
Recommendations    The  chart  detailed the  FY26  Operating                                                                    
Budget  and Capital  Budget items  recommended by  the trust                                                                    
and compared to the governors proposed budget.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:31:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  noted that the  largest difference  in the                                                                    
trusts  recommendations  and the  governors  request  was in                                                                    
Capital  Budget  items.  He   noted  that  Co-Chair  Stedman                                                                    
chaired   the   Capital   Budget   and   would   be   making                                                                    
recommendations to the committee.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:31:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Wilson pointed to slide 13, "FY26: Trust Focus Areas":                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The Trust develops its budget and engages in grant                                                                         
     making, advocacy, and system improvement efforts                                                                           
     around the following areas:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Established Focus Areas                                                                                                    
     • Disability Justice ($3.6M)                                                                                               
    • Mental Health and Addiction Intervention ($7.0M)                                                                          
    -Includes Behavioral Health Crisis Response ($5.3M)                                                                         
     • Beneficiary Employment and Engagement ($1.7M)                                                                            
     • Housing and Home and Community Based Services                                                                            
     ($4.3M)                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Additional Priorities                                                                                                      
     • Workforce Development ($2.2M)                                                                                            
     • Early Childhood Intervention and Prevention ($3.3M)                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:33:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman expressed  concern  for Alaskas   unhoused                                                                    
community.  He   wondered  whether   the  issue   was  being                                                                    
adequately addressed by the trust.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:33:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr.   Wilson  replied   that   assisting  beneficiaries   in                                                                    
accessing safe living  spaces was a priority.  She said that                                                                    
the trust  partnered with  communities in  the state  on the                                                                    
matter. She believed that there was more work to be done.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:34:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  reiterated his concern. He  hoped that the                                                                    
whole state should be considered  and not just the large and                                                                    
urban  areas.  He  requested that  the  trust  provide  more                                                                    
detail on how  they were working on the  unhoused problem in                                                                    
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:35:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Wilson   agreed  to   provide  more   information.  She                                                                    
explained that if an Alaskan  had been chronically unhoused,                                                                    
they were likely a beneficiary.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:35:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kaufman  asked about  efficiency benchmarks  for the                                                                    
trust and the ratio of overhead relative to assets.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:35:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Wilson asked him to clarify the question.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:36:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kaufman  asked about the  overhead, relative  to the                                                                    
formula.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:36:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Wilson replied that the  trust had been stable. She said                                                                    
that the trust  had gone up 3 percent per  year in spend and                                                                    
had low overhead. She said  that spending had to be analyzed                                                                    
on a continuous basis.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:36:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kaufman  requested further information on  how funds                                                                    
were spent and administered.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:37:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Wilson agreed to provide that information.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:37:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Wilson highlighted slide 14,  "Trust Grant Impacts". The                                                                    
slide indicated that 192 grants  had been awarded throughout                                                                    
the state,  totaling $23,986,574. She noted  that the grants                                                                    
includeing  funds  from  in and  outside  the  state  budget                                                                    
process.  She stated  that  the  grants supported  planning,                                                                    
data  needs, actual  services  and  facilities, and  quality                                                                    
trained  staff  working  directly  with  beneficiaries.  She                                                                    
relayed  that grant  funds were  often leveraged  with other                                                                    
community funders.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:38:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl addressed  slide  15,  "Crisis Now  Community                                                                    
Implementation 2024/25":                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Since the initiative's launch in 2019, the Trust has                                                                       
     invested roughly $20M in planning and grant making                                                                         
     around psychiatric emergency response.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Crisis service planning and implementation underway                                                                        
     in:                                                                                                                        
          Anchorage                                                                                                             
          Mat-Su                                                                                                                
          Fairbanks                                                                                                             
          Juneau                                                                                                                
          Ketchikan                                                                                                             
          Kenai Peninsula                                                                                                       
          Kotzebue                                                                                                              
          Copper Basin                                                                                                          
          Unalaska                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl  asked  whether  major  shifts  in  community                                                                    
grantees   ability to  serve  trust  fund beneficiaries  had                                                                    
occurred within the last year.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:39:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Wilson deferred to Ms. Johnson.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:39:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATIE  BALDWIN  JOHNSON,  CHIEF  OPERATING  OFFICER,  ALASKA                                                                    
MENTAL HEALTH  TRUST AUTHORITY, replied in  the affirmative.                                                                    
She said that  the trust could focus  on supporting capacity                                                                    
of other organizations, which helped  sustain them and their                                                                    
contributions to beneficiaries.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:40:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl wondered  whether Ms.  Johnson could  provide                                                                    
examples  of how  the trust  kept beneficiaries  form losing                                                                    
services.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:40:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Baldwin replied  the  trust  provided support  wherever                                                                    
able. She  said that the  trust was  not a funder  of direct                                                                    
services  but worked  with partners  to  find solutions  for                                                                    
beneficiaries.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:41:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl expressed  concern  for the  coming year  and                                                                    
beneficiaries' ability to receive support.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:42:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Wilson said  that one  of the  key initiatives  for the                                                                    
trust was to improve  behavioral health crisis response. She                                                                    
said that individuals in crisis  should have their needs met                                                                    
in the least  restrictive manner and should  have someone to                                                                    
call and a place to go.  She said that the crisis initiative                                                                    
was meant  to reduce instances of  suicide, hospitalization,                                                                    
and  incarceration.  She  hoped the  trust  could  transform                                                                    
behavioral health  crisis response in Alaksa.  She said that                                                                    
the trust  had seen real  time data that showed  the success                                                                    
of  the   initiative.  She   contended  that   upstream  and                                                                    
downstream  management  was  necessary to  prevent  behavior                                                                    
health crises.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Wilson looked at slide 16, "Trust Land Office":                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     • Maximizes long-term revenue and productivity from                                                                        
     Trust land                                                                                                                 
     • Encourages diverse revenue producing uses of Trust                                                                       
     land                                                                                                                       
     • Manages Trust land prudently, efficiently and with                                                                       
     accountability to the Trust and its beneficiaries                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:45:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Warner further  explained the details of  the Trust Land                                                                    
Office.  She shared  that the  trust  owned approximately  1                                                                    
million  acres statewide.  She stated  that  the office  was                                                                    
within  the   Department  of   Natural  Resources   and  was                                                                    
contracted exclusively with the  trust. She relayed that the                                                                    
land office  had a legal  responsibility to manage  lands to                                                                    
maximize  the  revenue  from the  land  and  resources.  She                                                                    
shared that  several asset classes  were managed  within the                                                                    
portfolio:   forestry,  minerals   and  materials,   energy,                                                                    
commercial  real   estate,  program  related   real  estate,                                                                    
mitigation marketing,  and lands.  She stated  that earnings                                                                    
of $33,308,513  were anticipated  in FY26. She  relayed that                                                                    
revenue was  allocated between principal and  income. It was                                                                    
estimated that principal for FY25  would total $7.4 million.                                                                    
She relayed  that that the  income for FY25 was  expected to                                                                    
be approximately $25 million.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:46:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Hoffman  asked   whether  there   was  a   policy                                                                    
concerning access  to the  million acres  of trust  land for                                                                    
Alaskans.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:47:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Warner replied  that a general land  use policy existed.                                                                    
She  said  that any  day  use  activity, without  commercial                                                                    
purposes, could  be done for  free on trust land.  She added                                                                    
that  overnight, use  of firewood,  and commercial  purposes                                                                    
required a fee.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman asked about hunting and fishing.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Warner replied that there would  be no fee if it was not                                                                    
commercial use.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:47:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman  understood  that   the  land  was  easily                                                                    
accessible.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Warner said  that day use access was  free and overnight                                                                    
access required an over-the-counter fee.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman  understood  that   this  applied  to  all                                                                    
Alaskans.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Warner replied in the affirmative.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:47:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman asked about non-residents.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Warner  responded that  non-residents required  the same                                                                    
general permit.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Hoffman  asked   whether  the   non-resident  and                                                                    
resident permits were of equal cost.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Warner replied in the affirmative.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman requested  a  map of  the  trust lands  so                                                                    
members could see where the land selections had been made.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Warner agreed to provide that information.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:48:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  wondered  whether the  revenue  generated                                                                    
from  Alaskans  subsistence  fishing and  recreation camping                                                                    
was worth the bureaucratic overhead of issuing permits.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:48:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Warner appreciated  the questions.  She noted  that the                                                                    
fees did  not generate  much revenue, which  was why  it was                                                                    
automated. She  said that  overhead was  minimal but  so was                                                                    
the return.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  understood that  the enforcement  was non-                                                                    
existent.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Warner  replied that the  payment for permits  relied on                                                                    
the honor system.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:49:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Warner  discussed   slide  17,   "Trust  Land   Office                                                                    
Highlights FY24":                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     • Generated more than $17M for the Trust                                                                                   
     • Timber sales generated more than $1.9M in revenue                                                                        
     and supported roughly 150 jobs                                                                                             
     • Financed land contracts and outright land purchases                                                                      
     are projected to earn the Trust more than $10.5M                                                                           
     • Subdivisions; 6 were completed and several others                                                                        
     are in various phases of development or prefeasibility                                                                     
     • Renewable energy portfolio                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:51:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  asked how  the subdivision  locations were                                                                    
selected and recommended to the board.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:52:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Warner shared  that the lands were surveyed  at the time                                                                    
and  that  was  what  they  were  selected.  She  said  that                                                                    
feasibility of the project was  explored   particularly what                                                                    
roads and utilities would do to the price point of the lot.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:52:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked what options  were available  to the                                                                    
trust if  a parcel did not  meet the hurdled rate  of return                                                                    
due to the cost of roads and utilities.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:53:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Warner replied  if the economics did not  make a return,                                                                    
the  project would  be  killed.  She said  that  AHFC had  a                                                                    
program  that  could  help  to  fund  some  of  the  riskier                                                                    
projects in the effort to provide housing to Alaskans.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:53:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  noted  that  in  the  previous  year  the                                                                    
committee had  strategized with  the Alaska  Housing Finance                                                                    
Corporation (AHFC)  to craft  a plan to  get the  trust, the                                                                    
University, and  the Department of Natural  Resources, which                                                                    
held  vast real  estate  holding in  the  state, to  develop                                                                    
those  lands to  provide housing  for Alaskans  with minimal                                                                    
risk.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:55:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman thought  that a hearing by  AHFC could help                                                                    
to educate  the direction the  committee had given  them. He                                                                    
asked  about  the  six subdivisions  and  wondered  how  the                                                                    
individuals  were  selected  to  purchase  the  parcels.  He                                                                    
thought that people  with the funds to  purchase the parcels                                                                    
might not be those with the greatest need.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:56:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Warner   said  that  the  trust   looked  for  creative                                                                    
solutions  to meet  the needs  of  communities, while  still                                                                    
meeting the maximization of revenue for the trust.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:57:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Warner continued to discuss  slide 17. She said that the                                                                    
TLO generated revenue through  resource development on trust                                                                    
lands that  included renewable resources. In  FY24 the first                                                                    
renewable  energy  project   ground  lease  diversified  the                                                                    
portfolio  on  trust  lands. The  lease  supported  a  solar                                                                    
energy project  on 680 acres  near Nikiski that  proposed to                                                                    
generate  28.5  mega watts  of  cost  competitive energy  to                                                                    
interconnect  with the  Homer Electric  Association Utility.                                                                    
She said that the project  could generate over $3 million in                                                                    
royalty payment to the trust  and beneficiaries in the first                                                                    
lease.  There is  a  possibility of  a  second lease,  which                                                                    
would generate more money.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:58:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Warner  addressed  slide   18,  "Icy  Cape  Exploration                                                                    
Project":                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     • Large volume placer gold and industrial minerals                                                                         
     district including critical minerals                                                                                       
     • Encouraging assay results and metallurgical test                                                                         
     studies                                                                                                                    
    • On-target (budget and mineral resource estimate)                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Warner relayed  that  the project  was  a large  volume                                                                    
placer  gold  and  industrial  minerals  district  including                                                                    
critical  minerals on  trust  lands  approximately 75  miles                                                                    
northwest  of  Yakutat.  The land  block  was  approximately                                                                    
50,000 acres. She  said that 23,000 acres  were marine shore                                                                    
sediment that  contained gold, and industrial  minerals. She                                                                    
added that  the sediments also contained  critical minerals.                                                                    
She stated that  the project was a placer  gold project with                                                                    
the minerals  being co-products.  She said  that exploration                                                                    
had  focused on  the  Grinder Prospect.  Sample testing  had                                                                    
produced  encouraging results.  She  said  that the  testing                                                                    
work was carried out by  industry experts with experience on                                                                    
these types of deposits.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:00:14 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman requested more  detailed information on the                                                                    
exploration project.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:00:27 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl asked about the  exploration work performed by                                                                    
the trust.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Warner  replied that  the trust was  acting as  a junior                                                                    
mining company.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:01:01 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl  noted that  when  other  state agencies  had                                                                    
prospective  resources,  classically private  companies  had                                                                    
shouldered  the  risk of  exploration.  He  asked about  the                                                                    
trusts decision to take on the risk.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:01:44 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Warner  responded  that  the  TLO  had  an  experienced                                                                    
resource geologist  on staff and had  received approval from                                                                    
the  board to  spend  a  certain number  of  dollars on  the                                                                    
project. She  said that  at any point  the board  could kill                                                                    
the project.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:02:42 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl  asked about  how the  project, as  related to                                                                    
the overall risk portfolio of the trust, was assessed.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:03:05 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Warner  replied that  the project  began in  2015, under                                                                    
basic research by those who  had explored the area. She said                                                                    
that there had  been drilling done, which  had rendered good                                                                    
looking results.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:03:53 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl  asked whether  Ms.  Warner  could share  the                                                                    
trusts  plan for assessing when  and how to move forward and                                                                    
lease to a  producing partner and whether  the trust planned                                                                    
on becoming a mining company.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:04:17 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Warner rebutted that the TLO  did not plan on becoming a                                                                    
mining company. She  said that all the data  would be revied                                                                    
and then an  industry partner would be brough  onboard to do                                                                    
the development.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:05:03 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Warner displayed slide 19, "Opportunity at Icy Cape":                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     • Cost recovery methodology                                                                                                
     • Large gold and industrial minerals district                                                                              
     • Numerous large placer gold discoveries                                                                                   
     • Estimated $100-150M in revenue generation from                                                                           
     Grinder                                                                                                                    
     • Economic activity                                                                                                        
     • Markets support gold and industrial minerals from                                                                        
     Icy Cape                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:06:53 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked whether  the land office had selected                                                                    
the parcel for housing construction or mineral deposits.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:07:04 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Warner agreed  to provide  that information.  She noted                                                                    
that the parcel had be used in various ways.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:07:26 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman   said  that  there  was   no  residential                                                                    
development  on  the parcel.  He  thought  that the  mineral                                                                    
deposit opportunity  was attractive and hoped  it would come                                                                    
to fruition.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:08:16 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman  announced  that   he  had  mines  in  his                                                                    
district, the largest  of which were Pebble  Mine and Donlin                                                                    
Gold Project. He  said that mining was  controversial in the                                                                    
state. He relayed that Alaskans   were concerned about water                                                                    
pollution  clean-up, and  who would  pay for  restoration of                                                                    
lands. He asked who would  be responsible for those concerns                                                                    
at the Icy Cape project.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:08:58 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Warner  explained that the  placer gold  operation would                                                                    
equate to  washing sand with  water.  She said that tailings                                                                    
would  not  be produced.  She  admitted  that the  land  was                                                                    
remote and  that barge  landings would need  to be  built at                                                                    
every tide.  She said  that the  trust had  no environmental                                                                    
concerns that would hamstring the project.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:09:49 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Hoffman  asked   whether  federal   permits  were                                                                    
necessary for the project.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:09:59 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Warner   replied  that  federal  permits   were  always                                                                    
required. She  contended that  this was  a  cleaner   way of                                                                    
mining, which would require less permitting.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:10:35 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman requested  potential market  value of  the                                                                    
real estate and the impact of  the lease up costs. He wanted                                                                    
to be able to track the  assets as they were liquidated over                                                                    
the next few years.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:11:29 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Wilson  agreed to provide that  information. She thanked                                                                    
the committee.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:12:18 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman  asked whether  the  trust  board had  any                                                                    
members from rural Alaska.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:12:24 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Wilson  replied that  the  board  had one  member  from                                                                    
Ketchikan   and  the   other   members   were  from   larger                                                                    
communities.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:12:46 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman  expressed  surprise  at  Ketchikan  being                                                                    
considered rural.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:12:53 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Wilson apologized for the characterization.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:13:01 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman contended  that  Ketchikan  was not  rural                                                                    
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:13:05 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Wilson  said  that  trustees   were  appointed  by  the                                                                    
governor from a list of names submitted by the board.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:13:10 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman argued that if people from rural Alaska                                                                        
were not submitted, they could never be nominated.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:13:12 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Wilson agreed.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:13:17 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman wondered about any proposed legislation by                                                                     
the trust such as updated to Title 47.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:13:38 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Wilson deferred to Ms. Johnson.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:13:51 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Johnson replied that the trust was not moving any                                                                           
active legislation regarding Title 47.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:14:15 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman thought that all the issues the trust delt                                                                     
with could have some solutions that could met through the                                                                       
legislative process.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman discussed the following day's meeting.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
10:15:21 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 10:15 a.m.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                

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