Legislature(2023 - 2024)SENATE FINANCE 532

03/01/2024 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE

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09:01:55 AM Start
09:03:13 AM Update from the Alaska Broadband Office
09:42:00 AM Adjourn
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Thomas Lochner, Director
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                 SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                       March 1, 2024                                                                                            
                         9:01 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:01:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman called the Senate Finance Committee                                                                            
meeting to order at 9:01 a.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Donny Olson, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Bert Stedman, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                            
Senator Jesse Kiehl                                                                                                             
Senator Kelly Merrick                                                                                                           
Senator David Wilson                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyman Hoffman, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Thomas Lochner, Director, Alaska Broadband Office                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
^UPDATE FROM THE ALASKA BROADBAND OFFICE                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:03:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
THOMAS   LOCHNER,   DIRECTOR,   ALASKA   BROADBAND   OFFICE,                                                                    
discussed the presentation, "Alaska Broadband Office,                                                                           
Broadband and Digital Equity Update" (copy on file).                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Lochner addressed slide 2, "Alaska Broadband Office                                                                         
Mission":                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Facilitate access to the full benefits of broadband                                                                        
     for all Alaskans with improved quality of service and                                                                      
     lower costs.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Lochner discussed slide 3, "Alaska Broadband Office":                                                                       
     Director: Thomas Lochner                                                                                                 
     Administrative Specialist: Kalynn Himes                                                                                  
     Tribal Liaison: Melissa Kookesh                                                                                          
     Deputy Director: Lisa Von Bargen                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Lochner detailed his 23 years in the telecommunications                                                                     
field. He provided a background of the experience and                                                                           
duties of his team.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:06:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Lochner pointed to slide 4, "Division of Community and                                                                      
Regional Affairs":                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Division of Community and Regional Affairs                                                                               
          •Grant Administration                                                                                                 
          •Mapping Analytics and Data Resources                                                                                 
     Department of Natural Resources                                                                                          
          •Office of Project Management and Permitting                                                                          
          •Mining, Land and Water                                                                                               
    Department of Transportation and Public Facilities                                                                        
          •Project Coordination                                                                                                 
          •Permitting                                                                                                           
     Department of Environmental Conservation                                                                                 
          •Permitting                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Lochner spoke to the work of the office to streamline                                                                       
the permitting process for efficiency.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:08:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Lochner discussed slide 5, "Major Accomplishments":                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     State of Alaska Digital Equity Plan                                                                                      
          •Evaluates the status of Digital Equity among                                                                         
          eight covered populations                                                                                             
          •Submitted January 27, 2024                                                                                           
          •This makes the State eligible for an allocation                                                                      
          of the $1.44 billion Digital Equity Capacity                                                                          
          Grant funds                                                                                                           
     Broadband Equity Access and Deployment (BEAD) State                                                                      
     Challenge Process                                                                                                        
          •Creates a portal and process for Alaskans to                                                                         
          challenge the internet speeds at their location                                                                       
          •Submitted November 3, 2023                                                                                           
          •This gives Alaskans a voice in where the                                                                             
          infrastructure will be built                                                                                          
     BEAD Broadband Grant Program                                                                                             
          •Creates the program to distribute the BEAD 1                                                                         
          Billion allocation                                                                                                    
          •Submitted December 27, 2023                                                                                          
          •After revision process with the NTIA, ABO will                                                                       
         post the Broadband Grant Program for bids                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:11:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Merrick  wondered  how  Alaskans  without  internet                                                                    
access would access the portal to submit a challenge.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:11:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Lochner replied  that those Alaskans would  have to find                                                                    
internet at  a public location.  He said that the  houses of                                                                    
those without  internet access  would be  marked with  a red                                                                    
dot,  which would  indicate  to the  office  that they  were                                                                    
unserved.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:12:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Olson asked whether there  had been many challenges                                                                    
in internet speed submitted to the office.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:12:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Lochner replied that the  challenge process had received                                                                    
3 public comments, the Digital  Equity Plan had received 112                                                                    
comments, and the grant program had received 30 comments.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Olson  queried Mr.  Lochners  education  history as                                                                    
it pertained to the challenge of broadband in Alaska.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:13:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Lochner  detailed his  experiences that  led him  to the                                                                    
position he currently held. He  relayed that he did not have                                                                    
formal training  in telecommunications  other than  hands on                                                                    
experience.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:14:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Olson  commented that ha appreciated  the work done                                                                    
by Mr. Lochner.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:15:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Lochner  looked at slide  6, "Broadband  Equity, Access,                                                                    
and Deployment" (BEAD):                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     $42.45 Billion For All States And Territories                                                                              
     Alaska's Allocation: $1,017,139,672.42                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Lochner  relayed  that  he had  worked  to  provide  an                                                                    
overview  for  those  in  Washington   D.C.  of  the  unique                                                                    
challenges  facing  Alaskans  in  the  areas  of  broadband,                                                                    
equity, access, and deployment.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:17:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Lochner pointed  to slide  7, "Grants  will follow  the                                                                    
following location priorities":                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     1 - Unserved  less than 25 Megabits per second (Mbps)                                                                    
     download and 3 Mbps upload (25/3)                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     2 - Underserved  More than 25/3, but less than 100                                                                       
     Mbps download/ 20Mbps upload                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     3 - Unserved Community Anchor Institutions - less than                                                                   
     1 Gigabit per second (Gbps) download and 1Gbps upload                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Lochner said  that the  office had  concluded that  the                                                                    
cost to meet the  challenges was approximately $1.8 billion.                                                                    
He  noted that  the  state received  $1  billion in  federal                                                                    
funds but there  were other funds that could  be applied for                                                                    
to make up the delta.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:19:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl  requested more information  on what  the $1.8                                                                    
billion would be spent on.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:19:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Lochner replied  that it  would const  $1.8 billion  to                                                                    
build fiber to every single identified community in Alaska.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:19:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Lochner  addressed slide  8,  "BEAD    State  Challenge                                                                    
Process." The slide listed the  30-day periods, totaling 120                                                                    
days, for  Public Review of Broadband  Serviceable Locations                                                                    
(BSLs), Challenge Period,  Internet Service Providers (ISPs)                                                                    
Rebuttal Period,  and Alaska Broadband Office  (ABO) Mediate                                                                    
Period,   which  comprised   the  State   Challenge  Process                                                                    
(Initial Proposal Volume 1).                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:21:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Lochner looked  at  slide 9,  "BEAD    Broadband  Grant                                                                    
Program." Concurrent  with running of the  challenge process                                                                    
was the  grant program.  The slide illustrated  the timeline                                                                    
for the Broadband Grant Program.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:21:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Lochner pointed  to slide 10, "Digital  Equity   Digital                                                                    
Inclusion  Digital Literacy":                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     $2.75 Billion For All States And Territories                                                                             
     •Planning Grants: $60 Million        Alaska Awarded:                                                                       
     $567,800                                                                                                                 
     •Capacity Grants: $1.44 Billion  Alaska's Award: TBD                                                                     
     •Competitive Grants: $1.25 Billion  Alaska's Award:                                                                        
     TBD                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:23:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Lochner discussed  slide 11,  "Digital  Equity -  Eight                                                                    
Covered Populations":                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     •Aging Individuals                                                                                                         
     •Incarcerated Individuals                                                                                                  
     •Individuals with Disabilities                                                                                             
     •Individuals with a Language Barrier                                                                                       
     •Individuals who are Members of a Racial or Ethnic                                                                         
     Minority                                                                                                                   
     •Individual in Low-Income Households                                                                                       
     •Individuals who Reside in Rural Areas                                                                                     
     •Veterans                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:23:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Lochner  pointed to slide 12,  "Digital Equity Milestone                                                                    
Dates and ABO Timeline."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Jan. 2024     State of Alaska Digital Equity Plan                                                                        
     Completed                                                                                                                  
     April   2024   -    National   Telecommunications   and                                                                  
     Information  Administration  (NTIA)  Publishes  Digital                                                                    
     Equity Capacity  Grant  Notice of  Funding Opportunity                                                                     
     (NOFO)                                                                                                                     
     April  2024    State  Responds  to  the Digital  Equity                                                                  
     Capacity  Grant   Notice  of  Funding   Opportunity  to                                                                    
     Develop Subgrants (60 days)                                                                                                
     Sept. 2024   NTIA  Publishes Digital Equity Competitive                                                                  
     Grant NOFO                                                                                                                 
     Sept. 2024  - Responses  to Digital  Equity Competitive                                                                  
     Grants Notice of Funding Opportunity                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:24:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Lochner looked at slide 13, "Mapping Updates":                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     •FCC Fabric Map                                                                                                            
          •Current Fabric includes all Alaska Communities                                                                       
          •Continuing refinement with the FCC from ISPs and                                                                     
          State Broadband Offices                                                                                               
     •Served, Underserved, and  Unserved Locations in Alaska                                                                    
     and  published in  the National  Broadband Availability                                                                    
     Map (NBAM) (NTIA)                                                                                                          
     •High-Cost and Non-High-Cost  Areas designated based on                                                                    
     Census Block Groups (NTIA)                                                                                                 
     •Evaluated ultra remote  locations within the Non-High-                                                                    
     Cost  Areas and  pursuing  a 25  percent funding  match                                                                    
     waiver (Alaska Broadband Office)                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:26:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Lochner discussed slide  14, "Federally Designated High-                                                                    
Cost Map."  The slide  showed a  map of  the state  with the                                                                    
 High-Cost  Area: 25  percent Match  Requirement Waived   in                                                                    
red and the  Non-High-Cost  Area: 25 percent Match Required.                                                                    
Waivers may be requested in grey.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Olson  asked where the  funding matches  would come                                                                    
from.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Lochner replied that the  match would be by the industry                                                                    
bidder.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:27:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman noted  that Angoon would be a  low cost and                                                                    
Sitka  would  be  high  cost,  which  seemed  backwards.  He                                                                    
wondered about  Port Alexandar. He requested  more detail on                                                                    
the casts per community.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:28:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Lochner   responded   that   the   categorization   of                                                                    
communities could change, and waivers would be considered.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:28:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman   reiterated   his   request   for   more                                                                    
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:28:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Lochner  addressed slide  15, "Technologies."  The slide                                                                    
showed the available, reliable  technologies listed by cost.                                                                    
The most  expensive being fiber, followed  by microwave, low                                                                    
earth  orbit  (LEO)  satellites,  and  geosynchronous  (GEO)                                                                    
satellite. He  said that  Starlink and  unlicensed microwave                                                                    
were considered unreliable by the FCC.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman  asked   why   Starlink  was   considered                                                                    
unreliable.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Lochner replied  that he did not know why,  but that the                                                                    
FCC had categorized it as unreliable.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl asked  about the  term  oversubscription   on                                                                    
the lower left side of the table.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Lochner said  that to optimize capacity  when one person                                                                    
isnt  actively  streaming, another  person can  benefit from                                                                    
the capacity. The idea is  that several people could use the                                                                    
same capacity without any buffering.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:32:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl wondered whether the  high ratio at the bottom                                                                    
of the  chart represented efficiency  or an option  that was                                                                    
problematic.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Lochner responded  that the  high ratio  represented an                                                                    
option  that  was  problematic.  He  said  that  constricted                                                                    
capacity  serving  many  customers   led  to  problems  with                                                                    
connectivity.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:32:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bishop  asked  about  the  workforce  dedicated  to                                                                    
broadband in the state.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:33:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Lochner responded  that numbers  had  been provided  by                                                                    
consultants and were being reviewed by the office.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:33:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop  asked about  workforce numbers  to implement                                                                    
the program.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:33:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Lochner responded that the  anticipated need, across all                                                                    
disciplines, included 17,000 additions  to the labor pool to                                                                    
build all the anticipated projects.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman wondered  where the  workforce would  come                                                                    
from.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Lochner  replied that  the  workforce  would come  from                                                                    
Florida.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:34:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Lochner   furthered  that   in  his   experience,  many                                                                    
technicians were hired out of Florida.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:35:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman remarked that  this could be an opportunity                                                                    
to train Alaskans for the positions.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:35:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Lochner agreed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:35:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop thought  that the delivery method  to train a                                                                    
workforce for  a gasline could  be used to train  an Alaskan                                                                    
workforce for these projects.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:36:50 AM                                                                                                                    
Co-Chair Olson  queried the timeline  for which  the federal                                                                    
grants had to be spent.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:37:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Lochner  responded that there  was a  four-year timeline                                                                    
and the potential for a fifth-year extension.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:37:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Olson  asked when  the project  was expected  to be                                                                    
fully complete.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Lochner said four or five years.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:37:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Olson wondered  what kind  of  paperwork would  be                                                                    
required  if  the projects  were  not  completed within  the                                                                    
four-to-five-year timeline.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:38:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Lochner  replied that  they were  planning for  the best                                                                    
and believed  that extensions would be  granted for projects                                                                    
that took longer to complete.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman discussed housekeeping.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:41:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Olson   asked   Mr.   Lochner   about   bandwidth                                                                    
legislation  and wondered  whether the  passage a  broadband                                                                    
grant  bill currently  making it's  through the  legislature                                                                    
would  have  an  effect  on the  projects  proposed  by  the                                                                    
office.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:41:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Lochner replied  that the legislation would  not have an                                                                    
impact, because  his office handled the  capital investments                                                                    
and  building   out  of  infrastructure,  while   the  other                                                                    
education bill delt with operating and ongoing costs.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
9:42:00 AM                                                                                                                    
The meeting was adjourned at 9:41 a.m.