Legislature(2023 - 2024)SENATE FINANCE 532

02/28/2024 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE

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09:01:00 AM Update: State Transportation Improvement Plan – Department of Transportation
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                  SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                      
                      February 28, 2024                                                                                         
                          9:00 a.m.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:00:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman called the Senate Finance Committee                                                                            
meeting to order at 9:00 a.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyman Hoffman, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Donny Olson, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Bert Stedman, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                            
Senator Jesse Kiehl                                                                                                             
Senator Kelly Merrick                                                                                                           
Senator David Wilson                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ryan Anderson, Commissioner, Department of Transportation                                                                       
and Public Facilities; Sean Lynch, Chief Assistant Attorney                                                                     
General, Transportation Section, Department of Law;                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
UPDATE: STATE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PLAN  DEPARTMENT                                                                       
OF TRANSPORTATION                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
^UPDATE: STATE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PLAN  DEPARTMENT                                                                    
OF TRANSPORTATION                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:01:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman explained  that the  committee would  hear                                                                    
from the Department of  Transportation and Public Facilities                                                                    
(DOT&PF) regarding the  Statewide Transportation Improvement                                                                    
Program (STIP),  which was the  federal funding  process for                                                                    
the  state. He  noted that  there had  been a  "hiccup" that                                                                    
resulted  in  the submission  being  denied  on the  federal                                                                    
level. He  shared that as  the committee was trying  to work                                                                    
through the budget  process, it had asked DOT  to present on                                                                    
the  status  of  the  STIP.   He  wanted  the  committee  to                                                                    
understand the gravity of the situation.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman continued that  Senator Bishop was a former                                                                    
chair of  the Capital  Budget and  Co-Chair Hoffman  was the                                                                    
current  Capital   Budget  chair.   He  asserted   that  the                                                                    
committee was  not endeavoring to  find fault or  blame, but                                                                    
rather to work through the  situation to get things back on-                                                                    
track.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:03:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RYAN  ANDERSON, COMMISSIONER,  DEPARTMENT OF  TRANSPORTATION                                                                    
AND PUBLIC  FACILITIES, introduced  himself and  thanked the                                                                    
committee for allowing DOT to  present. He asserted that the                                                                    
department  had been  working seven  days a  week since  the                                                                    
February    2024   findings    by   the    Federal   Highway                                                                    
Administration.  He  turned  to  the  presentation  entitled                                                                    
"Statewide   Transportation   Improvement   Program   (STIP)                                                                    
Update" (copy on file).                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:05:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Anderson looked  at  slide 2,  "  What is  the                                                                    
Statewide Transportation Improvement Program (STIP)?":                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     • Required under 23 USC 135 and 23 CFR 450.218 and 17                                                                      
     AAC 05.155                                                                                                                 
     • Four-year planning document                                                                                              
     • Includes all federally funded surface transportation                                                                     
     projects                                                                                                                   
     • Fiscally constrained                                                                                                     
     • Contains other projects of regional/statewide                                                                            
     significance                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     https://www.transit.dot.gov/regulationsandguidance/tra                                                                     
     nsportationplanning/statewidetransportationimprovement                                                                     
     -program-stip                                                                                                              
9:06:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bishop referenced  Commissioner Anderson's  mention                                                                    
of working seven days a week  since the decision on the STIP                                                                    
application.  He  asked  whether the  department  had  added                                                                    
staff to handle the workload.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson  answered "yes," and noted  that there                                                                    
would be  additional slides that illustrated  the matter. He                                                                    
discussed  the  various  staff  working  on  the  issue.  He                                                                    
estimated that there was close  to a cumulative 300 years of                                                                    
experience working on the problem.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:07:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson spoke  to slide 3, "How  does the STIP                                                                    
Impact Projects on the Street?                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Project Delivery Continues:                                                                                                
     • Operating under a 2020-2023 STIP Extension until                                                                         
     March 31, 2024                                                                                                             
     • Projects continue to be obligated under the                                                                              
     extension  close to $200M obligated this year                                                                              
     • Carry over projects continue                                                                                             
       Estimated at over $350M                                                                                                  
     • Over $100M in projects currently advertising for                                                                         
     construction this summer                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson addressed the  flow chart shown on the                                                                    
slide,  and  noted that  DOT  obligated  projects by  phase,                                                                    
including design, construction,  maintenance and operations,                                                                    
and planning. He  iterated that a project  started in design                                                                    
was a phase 2  item and had to be in  the STIP. He continued                                                                    
that right-of-way for  projects also had to be  in the STIP,                                                                    
as well as production. He  said that every sequence required                                                                    
STIP documentation.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:10:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked Commissioner  Anderson to address the                                                                    
first bullet  on slide 2,  and whether it required  a 30-day                                                                    
review.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Anderson  explained  that the  STIP  extension                                                                    
until March 31 the deadline for the completed resubmittal.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:10:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman wanted  to convey  the  importance of  the                                                                    
issue  for the  public. He  understood that  Alaska was  the                                                                    
only state  in the current  year that  had been asked  for a                                                                    
resubmittal,  which  he considered  a  drastic  step by  the                                                                    
federal government.  He asked how important  the resubmittal                                                                    
was to the state, so  that state services would continue. He                                                                    
emphasized that  it was hard  to downplay the  importance of                                                                    
the program, and  the request by the  federal government for                                                                    
a  resubmittal.  He stressed  that  the  subject was  not  a                                                                    
trivial matter.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked Mr. Anderson  to give  background on                                                                    
the submittal and resubmittal process.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson  affirmed that  DOT had gone  back and                                                                    
through and  looked at past  STIP requests. He  relayed that                                                                    
the federal  government had  offered recommendations  in the                                                                    
past  but  not  corrective  actions. He  offered  the  usual                                                                    
timeline  regarding  submittals.  He  described  that  other                                                                    
states were doing a "rolling  STIP," in which they submitted                                                                    
a STIP every  year or two years, rather than  four years, so                                                                    
that there was always an active request.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:14:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  understood that  the state's  current STIP                                                                    
situation was rare.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson replied in the affirmative.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:15:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop  wanted to  put a finer  point on  the matter                                                                    
from  a  monetary  perspective. He  asked  whether  DOT  had                                                                    
modelled  and  cash-flow  scenarios. He  asserted  that  the                                                                    
committee was  present to help  the department but  was also                                                                    
tasked with planning.  He did not think he  needed to stress                                                                    
the importance  of the potential impact  on the construction                                                                    
industry in the state.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson  relayed that  the department  had not                                                                    
done  specific modelling.  He  quantified  that the  state's                                                                    
typical award  over a year  was approximately  $750 million.                                                                    
He  thought that  DOT  could look  at  previous numbers  and                                                                    
attempt some modeling.                                                                                                          
9:17:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop  relayed that  he had  always given  kudos to                                                                    
DOT  for its  resource  distribution. He  asked whether  the                                                                    
state would  lose funds that other  states would potentially                                                                    
be able to sweep from Alaska.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson  affirmed that if Alaska  was not able                                                                    
to spend all its  apportionments, other states could receive                                                                    
the funds.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:18:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson  referenced slide 4, "  2024-2027 STIP                                                                    
Timeline Overview,"  which showed  a graphical  timeline and                                                                    
overview:                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska DOT&PF STIP Timeline                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Dec 2021                                                                                                                 
     Work starts on E-SRIP or STIP Manager                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     May 2023  Decision Point                                                                                                 
     DOT&PF moves to a new platform after E-STIP fails                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     July 2023                                                                                                                
     Draft STIP open for public comment from July 20                                                                            
     Sept. 3                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Nov 2023                                                                                                                 
     DIT&PF submits new revised draft per FHWA request,                                                                         
     reflecting federal feedback                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Jan 2024                                                                                                                 
     FHWA asks DOT&PF to soft submit on Jan. 11. DOT&PF                                                                         
     formally submits on Jan. 19                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     FEB 2024                                                                                                                 
     Feb. 12 FHWA provides Formal Finding                                                                                       
     DOT&PF formally resubmits STIP to FHWA                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Anderson   shared  that  the   department  had                                                                    
instituted the  E-STIP  to make  the STIP more accessible to                                                                    
the public and provide a more solid system for employees.                                                                       
He highlighted  step 2 on  the timeline, and  DOT's decision                                                                    
point of moving  to a new platform after the  failure of the                                                                    
E-STIP.  Numbers under  the E-STIP  had been  inaccurate. He                                                                    
contended that the new platform  functioned better. He noted                                                                    
that DOT  had added personnel  in May 2023 to  transition to                                                                    
the new platform.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Anderson   mentioned   a  "fair   amount   of                                                                    
consultation"  with  FHWA  to submit  the  revised  November                                                                    
draft.   Another draft  was requested  in January.  He noted                                                                    
that  consultations  in  January prompted  DOT  to  formally                                                                    
                    th                                                                                                          
submit on January 19.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:23:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  requested, in the spirit  of transparency,                                                                    
a list of  projects obligated under the  extension. He asked                                                                    
for geographical  information on the projects,  for Alaskans                                                                    
to be made  aware of where each project  stood. He addressed                                                                    
the decision  point in May  2023 on the timeline,  and asked                                                                    
Commissioner Anderson to discuss  the new platform. He asked                                                                    
how moving to the new  platform in May affected the decision                                                                    
by the FHWA.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson turned to  slide 5, "The ESTIP Problem                                                                    
(Dec. 2021  April 2023)                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Why a New Platform?                                                                                                        
     •   Previous   STIPs   were   built   from   individual                                                                    
     spreadsheets                                                                                                               
     • Cloud Based                                                                                                              
     • Modern Tool for DOT&PF & MPOs (Metropolitan Planning                                                                     
     Organization)                                                                                                              
       Improved planning functionality                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     • Dec. 2021: RFP signed - work begins                                                                                      
     • April 2022: Certification test shows financial                                                                           
     information not accurate                                                                                                   
     • May 2023: Team stops work on E-STIP given flaws are                                                                      
     deemed beyond correction with remaining time in                                                                            
     federal fiscal year                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Anderson  qualified  that the  department  was                                                                    
building  the platform  themselves and  was reliant  only on                                                                    
internal resources.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked whether the STIP was oversubscribed.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson answered in the affirmative.                                                                              
Co-Chair Stedman  asked whether DOT  had a list  of projects                                                                    
that  had  been  removed  or  reordered  to  adjust  to  the                                                                    
decision from FHWA.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson  did not have the  information at hand                                                                    
but agreed to provide the information.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:27:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman asked about the  new platform and mentioned                                                                    
three regions in  the state. He asked  what participation or                                                                    
involvement by  the regions were present  in the development                                                                    
of the new platform.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman   explained  that  there   were  Northern,                                                                    
Central,  and  Coastal  regions in  the  state,  along  with                                                                    
Fairbanks and Anchorage.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Anderson  stressed   that  DOT  was  providing                                                                    
training  and resources  to ensure  that  the regions  could                                                                    
simultaneously begin documenting  project estimates, scopes,                                                                    
and  schedules. He  said that  staff, project  managers, and                                                                    
directors  could monitor  projects  and  provide input  that                                                                    
would be included in the STIP.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman  asked  that  DOT come  forward  with  the                                                                    
regional  directors, as  he  considered  that the  directors                                                                    
played a critical role in the process.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:29:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bishop  asked  about   the  new  platform.  He  had                                                                    
reviewed submissions  on the platform  and had  noticed that                                                                    
one project was  denied due to a lack of  public comment. He                                                                    
asked  whether the  public could  comment electronically  or                                                                    
whether those comments were given in person.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson  did not recall which  project Senator                                                                    
Bishop referenced.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop  explained that  a project  was at  Manly Hot                                                                    
Springs  and  the  comment  was   that  there  had  been  no                                                                    
interaction with the tribe.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Anderson understood  that tribal  projects had                                                                    
to be incorporated  by reference and were not  listed in the                                                                    
STIP. He considered that the  Manley Bridge had been a great                                                                    
success  for the  state, a  project that  the tribe  and the                                                                    
state had  co-funded. He noted  that MPOs were  not supposed                                                                    
to be listed in the STIP.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked for a definition of MPO.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Anderson   replied    that    MPO    is   the                                                                    
Metropolitan   Planning    Organizations,   which   included                                                                    
Anchorage, Fairbanks, and Mat-Su.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:32:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Anderson  considered   slide  6,   "May  2023                                                                    
Decision Point                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     May  July 2023: New STIP Development                                                                                       
     • Commissioner's office involvement                                                                                        
     • 30 person DOT&PF Multidisciplinary Team                                                                                  
     • Focus on                                                                                                                 
             o Technology                                                                                                       
             o Engagement                                                                                                       
             o Fiscal Constraint                                                                                                
             o Project Delivery                                                                                                 
             o Programming & Planning                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson thought it  was important to note that                                                                    
when building a STIP, there were many disciplines involved.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:33:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Anderson  displayed   slide   7,  "New   STIP                                                                    
Platform: Shift to Modern Tools (timeline reference)":                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Open-Source Platform                                                                                                       
     • Cloud based                                                                                                              
     • Multiple users                                                                                                           
     • Intuitive                                                                                                                
     • Glitches worked out                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     New tools for public and staff                                                                                             
     • Tables                                                                                                                   
     • Dashboards                                                                                                               
     • Spreadsheets                                                                                                             
     • Workflow                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Public could select projects based on region,                                                                              
     investment area, legislative district or type of                                                                           
     project.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Staff tools to link to project delivery, track cost                                                                        
     increases, Legislative Authority.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Modernizing internal process to provide timely,                                                                            
     accurate and transparent communication with the public                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:34:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop went  back to his question  from the previous                                                                    
slide  regarding public  comment.  He  asked whether  public                                                                    
comment was  now all online, or  whether it was in  a public                                                                    
setting.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Anderson  that  there was  an  online  portal,                                                                    
newspaper, radio, and social media  outreach. He said people                                                                    
wrote letters and  there were a handful  of public meetings.                                                                    
He  stated  that  there  had  not  been  significant  public                                                                    
comment in person.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:36:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson  highlighted slide 8, "  45 Day Public                                                                    
Notice (July 20  Sept. 3)                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     STIP Outreach:                                                                                                             
     • Publication in statewide newspapers                                                                                      
     • Statewide STIP mailer                                                                                                    
     • Public meeting                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Targeted outreach:                                                                                                         
     • Presentations to civic, trade groups                                                                                     
     • Direct email to cities, boroughs, tribes                                                                                 
     • Direct email to transportation related NGOs (Non-                                                                        
     Governmental Organizations)                                                                                                
     • Direct contact with underserved communities                                                                              
     • MPOs                                                                                                                     
     • Joint House & Senate Transportation Committee                                                                            
     Presentation                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Mass communication:                                                                                                        
     • Press releases/earned media                                                                                              
     • Social media                                                                                                             
     • Radio PSAs to rural Alaska                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:37:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson looked at slide 9, "Consultations                                                                         
After Public Notice (Sept. 4  Jan.)                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     • Aug. 2023, Dec. 2023, Jan. 2024: MPO Consultations                                                                       
     • Aug. 2023  Jan. 2024: FHWA Consultations                                                                                 
             o FHWA STIP position in Alaska still vacant                                                                        
             o FHWA and MPO Exec Directors meeting without                                                                      
               State involvement                                                                                                
             o FHWA guidance lacked clarity                                                                                     
     • Sept. 4  Nov. 2023: Resolution of 1,200 Public                                                                           
     Comments                                                                                                                   
     • Sept. 15, 2023: FHWA Approves STIP extension                                                                             
     • Nov. 2023: FHWA requests an updated STIP draft                                                                           
     • Jan. 11, 2024: FHWA requests a "soft submittal" to                                                                       
     give feedback                                                                                                              
     • Jan. 18, 2024: FHWA provides no feedback                                                                                 
     • Jan. 18, 2024: Alaska DOT&PF Decision to Submit                                                                          
     Formally                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:40:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman  asked  about  getting  a  copy  of  radio                                                                    
communications   to  rural   Alaska  and   any  other   mass                                                                    
communication the  department may have had  with rural areas                                                                    
of the state.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:40:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson addressed slide 10, " Resolution of                                                                       
Public Comments":                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Project Comments: 1200+                                                                                                    
     • 36% on West Susitna                                                                                                      
     • 11% mention Manh Cho                                                                                                     
     • 6% on Sterling Hwy/Anchor Point                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Other Comments of note:                                                                                                    
     • Mat-Su Area Roads                                                                                                        
     • Anchorage Area Roads                                                                                                     
     • Kenai Area Roads                                                                                                         
     • Southeast Area Roads                                                                                                     
     • AMHS projects                                                                                                            
     • Cascade Point                                                                                                            
     • Juneau North Douglas Crossing                                                                                            
     • Cooper Landing Bypass                                                                                                    
     • Glenn Hwy Highland Interchange                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Public Comments:                                                                                                           
     • 909 Individual                                                                                                           
     • 12 Legislative                                                                                                           
     • 59 Local Government/Tribes                                                                                               
     • 67 Non-Governmental Organizations                                                                                        
     • 86% Alaska based comments                                                                                                
     • 14% Out of State comments                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson explained that  the new platform could                                                                    
separate state and out-of-state comments.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:41:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl asked  whether  the STIP  was  the 413  paged                                                                    
document on the departments website.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Anderson  replied  that   that  was  the  STIP                                                                    
document;  a   supplemental  1,100-page   document  included                                                                    
public engagement.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl referenced  a joint legislative transportation                                                                    
hearing   in   which   he    had   inquired   about   tribal                                                                    
transportation  plans.  He  said  that the  413  paged  STIP                                                                    
document did not  state that they were  listed by reference,                                                                    
only  that they  exist,  and  the state  is  compliant.   He                                                                    
referenced   the    finding   that   stated    that   tribal                                                                    
transportation plans were not included in the STIP.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson  explained that  Tribal Transportation                                                                    
Improvemnet Programs  (TIPS) were a requirement  that had to                                                                    
be adopted by  reference. He said that  the department would                                                                    
incorporate all the TIPS projects into the STIP.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl requested  that someone  from the  department                                                                    
assist him in finding the information on the STIP platform.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:43:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop  understood that  the department  was working                                                                    
got  make  sure  the  current STIP  problem  never  happened                                                                    
again.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson answered affirmatively.                                                                                   
Senator Bishop  asked whether the department  had researched                                                                    
the growth in public comment.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson  relayed that  he liked to  think that                                                                    
DOT   had  an   excellent  communications   team  and   that                                                                    
technological  improvements  had  made  the  public  comment                                                                    
process easier for Alaskans.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:45:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Olson  looked at  the top  of slide  10 and  the 36                                                                    
percent of  public comments pertaining  to the  West Susitna                                                                    
project.  He asked  for  the breakdown  of  the comments  in                                                                    
favor versus against.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Anderson relayed  that  most  of the  comments                                                                    
were  against the  project. He  added that  there were  some                                                                    
comments for the projects.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Olson  asked whether  the department  still planned                                                                    
on  going  forward  with  the  project  despite  the  mostly                                                                    
negative comments.  He thought  the Native corporations that                                                                    
were  in the  area were  not supportive  of the  project and                                                                    
were strongly opposed. He said that  he had seen no proof to                                                                    
the assertion  that there  were resources  in the  area that                                                                    
would be economically viable.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Anderson  relayed  that the  comment  DOT  had                                                                    
received from FHWA and the  project was regarding not having                                                                    
a bridge in the scope.  He said that the department intended                                                                    
to  go ahead  with  the project.  In 2016,  DOT  had done  a                                                                    
reconnaissance study,  which included information  about the                                                                    
benefits   of  the   road.  The   study  addressed   mineral                                                                    
extraction and energy.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:49:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilson added  that the project was  supported by the                                                                    
Matanuska-Susitna Borough.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson answered affirmatively.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilson asked for a  breakdown in the demographics of                                                                    
the public comments.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:49:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl was  familiar with  the $400  million project                                                                    
that included  the bridge,  but that the  bridge was  in the                                                                    
STIP  as a  $73  million  project. He  thought  there was  a                                                                    
crossing project in his district  that had municipal support                                                                    
and a congressional appropriation,  which was listed at $270                                                                    
million in the  STIP. He asked how the decision  was made to                                                                    
list the projects so differently,  with one at a fraction of                                                                    
its cost and one at its total maximum cost.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson thought that  the West Susitna project                                                                    
included  a public  road that  would  open the  area to  the                                                                    
public.  He said  the road  would  be a  basic gravel  road,                                                                    
which would  keep costs  down, and  would provide  access to                                                                    
land west of the Susitna.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman referenced  the tribal  road program,  and                                                                    
asked about the dollar amounts by region.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson agreed to provide the information.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:52:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Anderson  advanced   to  slide   11,  "Fiscal                                                                    
Constraint/Project Delivery Corrections":                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Existing Challenges                                                                                                        
     • Over $3B programmed                                                                                                      
     • Project Estimates & Schedules                                                                                            
     • Inflation and Large Projects                                                                                             
     • Legacy Projects                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     New Challenges                                                                                                             
     • New Interpretations                                                                                                      
     • Fiscal Constraint - Overprogramming                                                                                      
     • NHS routes/MPO TIPs                                                                                                      
     • Amendments and Administrative Modifications                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Anderson expounded  on  the  existing and  new                                                                    
challenges faced by the department.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:57:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  asked for more specific  information about                                                                    
the  fiscal constraints  and  overprogramming  faced by  the                                                                    
department.                                                                                                                     
Commissioner  Anderson explained  that programs  were listed                                                                    
by fund types and portions  of money were applied to certain                                                                    
programs.  He   said  projects  were  bound   by  the  money                                                                    
obligated.  He  said  that funding  flexibility  had  become                                                                    
constrained in 2024.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:59:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl did  not follow  the  comments regarding  the                                                                    
MPOs. He  thought it  sounded as though  there was  an issue                                                                    
with  how the  projects were  listed. He  asked whether  the                                                                    
problem  at the  federal level  was about  how the  projects                                                                    
were  listed, or  whether it  was a  disagreement about  the                                                                    
size of the projects.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson deferred to Mr. Lynch.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:00:33 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SEAN    LYNCH,    CHIEF    ASSISTANT    ATTORNEY    GENERAL,                                                                    
TRANSPORTATION  SECTION, DEPARTMENT  OF LAW,  explained that                                                                    
the  concern on  the federal  level  was how  the MPOs  were                                                                    
listed  and, potentially,  how they  were designed.  He said                                                                    
that the  federal government had  not put their  concerns in                                                                    
writing. He thought that the  institutional culture for both                                                                    
agencies  was  similar.  He  said that  the  STIP  would  be                                                                    
resubmitted  this  week  and  in  six  months  policies  and                                                                    
procedures would  be created that would  invite coordination                                                                    
with all  MPOs. He  stated that all  the projects  that were                                                                    
listed to  be removed  were projects that  had traditionally                                                                    
been  included in  the  STIP. He  said  that the  corrective                                                                    
action  expected  by DOT  was  to  put federal  land  access                                                                    
projects, tribal  transportation projects, and  MPOs outside                                                                    
of the STIP  and incorporated by reference.  He relayed that                                                                    
the details  of the  work going forward  to fix  the problem                                                                    
with STIP funding was still being worked out.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:04:22 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl  had  thought the  cooperative  approach  and                                                                    
splitting  of  influence  on how  things  were  designed  in                                                                    
boroughs had been settled. He  asked whether the approach of                                                                    
working  out which  projects made  it on  the STIP  list had                                                                    
changed recently.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Lynch  could not  address any  specific change.  He said                                                                    
that the STIP  had been submitted to  the federal government                                                                    
in  the usual  manner.  He  did not  know  why  it had  been                                                                    
reported back as problematic. He discussed the MPO process.                                                                     
10:07:07 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked for a  run-down of the Cooper Landing                                                                    
Project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Anderson  explained  that the  Cooper  Landing                                                                    
Bypass Project had  an original estimated cost  in the range                                                                    
of $350 million, which was  increasing incrementally and was                                                                    
approximately $800 million presently.  He said that it would                                                                    
be  2027  before the  bridge  was  completed. He  said  that                                                                    
project completion  had been pushed  out to 2029.  He stated                                                                    
that  the design  team  was  asked to  look  at  extras   to                                                                    
simplify  the  project to  get  the  road  open as  soon  as                                                                    
possible.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:11:03 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  wanted  to  put  a  finer  point  on  the                                                                    
subject.  He  explained  that  if  the  entire  project  was                                                                    
included in  the STIP submission, many  other projects would                                                                    
have to  be removed.  He said that  the committee  needed to                                                                    
focus  on  the  money  coming  in and  the  timing  of  that                                                                    
funding,   particularly   for    upcoming   Capital   Budget                                                                    
discussions.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Anderson relayed  that there  were no  planned                                                                    
expenditures  for Cooper  Landing in  the STIP  between 2024                                                                    
and 2027.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked  whether he could assume  that it was                                                                    
being  removed from  the STIP  and would  be addressed  in a                                                                    
future amendment or in the 2027-2028 STIP.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson answered affirmatively.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked whether  there were any  other major                                                                    
projects that  the commissioner could  recall that  would be                                                                    
pulled  out of  the  STIP  so that  FHWA  would approve  the                                                                    
resubmittal on March 1, 2024.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson relayed that  he could bring forward a                                                                    
list  of projects.  He thought  there were  projects on  the                                                                    
Parks   Highway,  Richardson   Highway,  and   the  Sterling                                                                    
Highway.  He stressed  that the  projects  were  across  the                                                                    
board.   He  related that  he  had  asked that  projects  be                                                                    
broken up  into smaller segments that  required less initial                                                                    
funding.                                                                                                                        
10:14:02 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  thought it  would be  helpful for  the DOT                                                                    
subcommittee and capital budget  to have the lists assembled                                                                    
very soon.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:14:59 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman stressed  that  it was  critical that  the                                                                    
information  be made  available  quickly.  He asked  whether                                                                    
there  were  any  projects in  the  resubmittal  that  would                                                                    
affect the governors current list on the STIP.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson agreed to provide the list.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman asked when he could expect the list.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Anderson replied  that  conversation had  been                                                                    
happening  that would  hopefully  result in  the list  being                                                                    
available soon.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman understood that  the resubmittal would have                                                                    
to go through a 30-day public hearing process.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Anderson  relayed  that the  resubmittal  went                                                                    
straight  to the  FHWA for  30-day review,  bypassing public                                                                    
comment.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman surmised  that the  public would  not have                                                                    
the  opportunity  to  comment on  substantial  changes  that                                                                    
might be made by the department in the resubmittal.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Anderson   responded  that  DOT   always  took                                                                    
comments  but  that there  was  not  another public  comment                                                                    
period for this resubmittal.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  understood that DOT would  take additional                                                                    
public comments into consideration.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson replied in the affirmative.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:17:18 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wilson asked  if any  project partnerships  were at                                                                    
risk due to certain projects being removed from the STIP.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson responded  that fiscal constraints had                                                                    
impacted projects across the board.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Wilson  expressed   concern  about   state  funded                                                                    
projects that  had been  moved to the  STIP and  whether the                                                                    
projects would lose momentum going forward.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson  thought the  primary impacts  were on                                                                    
the  national  highway system  routes.    He recognized  the                                                                    
importance   of    the   department's    partnerships   with                                                                    
municipalities.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:19:33 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bishop asked  about the  eventuality  of the  state                                                                    
having to step in with  General Fund dollars. He asked about                                                                    
the treasury being made whole  should the federal dollars be                                                                    
realized.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Anderson relayed  that  he had  not asked  the                                                                    
question.  He said  that expenses  were  eligible after  the                                                                    
obligation approvals were received;  the state could be made                                                                    
whole after authorities had been received.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop  thought he would  go further into  the issue                                                                    
in subcommittee.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  mentioned  the subcommittee  process  and                                                                    
requested  that future  presentations concentrate  solely on                                                                    
the STIP and cash flow.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:21:33 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wilson wondered  whether  DOT had  a definition  of                                                                    
 consultation  and   coordination,   so  that   all  parties                                                                    
involved were speaking the same language.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Anderson  replied  that the  next  few  slides                                                                    
would speak to Senator Wilsons question.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman requested that  the department discuss Tier                                                                    
2 and Tier 3 as well.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:22:42 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Anderson  looked  at slide  12,  "Formal  STIP                                                                    
Submittal and Federal Findings":                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Corrective Actions - Tier 1                                                                                                
     • Tier 1, Finding 1: MPO and Other Transportation                                                                          
     Improvement Programs                                                                                                       
     • Tier 1, Finding 2: Project Groupings                                                                                     
     • Tier 1, Finding 3: Fiscal Constraint                                                                                     
     • Tier 1, Finding 4: STIP Amendment and Modifications                                                                      
     Corrective action                                                                                                          
     • Tier 1, Finding 5: Self Certifications, Federal                                                                          
     Findings, and Federal Approvals                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Impacts/Issues                                                                                                             
       New interpretations of federal code                                                                                      
     • True Fiscal Constraint                                                                                                   
     • Discretionary grant estimating                                                                                           
     • MVP (Mat-Su Valley Planning) MPO                                                                                         
     • MPO Boundaries                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson  discussed the findings.  He addressed                                                                    
Finding 4 and stated that an  exception could not be made to                                                                    
the threshold  rules. He addressed  the table on  the slide,                                                                    
which  showed STIP  Revision Thresholds.  He explained  that                                                                    
Finding 5 was  about the conformity freeze  in Fairbanks. He                                                                    
stated  that if  there was  a project  that could  be exempt                                                                    
from  the  conformity  freeze  if  it did  not  add  to  air                                                                    
pollution the project could be exempted through a process.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:26:39 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  noted that  Commissioner Anderson  had not                                                                    
touched on advance construction, which  was a concern of the                                                                    
committee.  He  mentioned  previous concerns  about  advance                                                                    
funding for  construction and the creeping  increase of that                                                                    
funding. He understood  that the number had gone  up and was                                                                    
close to double the amount.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Anderson acknowledged  the  increase. He  said                                                                    
that  the federal  government  would  reimburse the  advance                                                                    
construction dollars.  He said  the current number  was $450                                                                    
million  and  the  expenses were  constantly  converted.  He                                                                    
believed  the  advance  funding was  an  important  tool  in                                                                    
managing the overall cash flow for project delivery.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:29:29 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked, from a policy  perspective, whether                                                                    
there  should  be  bookends on  the  process  regarding  the                                                                    
dollars  expended  on  advance construction.  He  reiterated                                                                    
that  the funding  for advance  construction was  increasing                                                                    
regularly  and without  policy discussion.  He wondered  how                                                                    
much flexibility the department was allowed.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Anderson considered  that there  was a  lot of                                                                    
flexibility  in  how  the  department  wanted  to  plan.  He                                                                    
thought  that   $450  million  was   a  good  cap   for  the                                                                    
department.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  asked  how  many  years  in  advance  the                                                                    
department could make funding changes.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson did  not think there was  a rule about                                                                    
the timeline.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:31:53 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Anderson  showed  slide 13,  "Impacts  of  New                                                                    
Federal Interpretations":                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Loss of Flexibility                                                                                                        
     New interpretations of federal code                                                                                        
     True Fiscal Constraint                                                                                                     
     Discretionary grant estimating                                                                                             
     MVP MPO                                                                                                                    
     MPO Boundaries                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:32:12 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson referenced  slide 14, "Moving Forward:                                                                    
Tier 2&3":                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Action Areas:                                                                                                              
     • New DOT&PF Policy Addressing:                                                                                            
             o DOT&PF/MPO Coordination                                                                                          
             o TIP Management  Consistency                                                                                      
             o Performance Targets                                                                                              
     • DOT&PF Dedicated Team focused on MPOs                                                                                    
     • Tackle State of Alaska  MPO Planning Authority                                                                           
     Conflict                                                                                                                   
     •   AMATS   Transportation    Management   Area   (TAM)                                                                    
     Certification Review                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Anderson  relayed  that   within  the  Tier  2                                                                    
aspects of the planning  findings the federal government had                                                                    
stipulated that:                                                                                                                
      the following  federal actions must be  resolved prior                                                                    
     to  Fed. Highway  and FTA  approval of  the first  STIP                                                                    
     amendment or within  6 months of FHWA  and FTA approval                                                                    
     of the STIP, whichever comes first.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Anderson added  that the  department would  be                                                                    
focused on those  stipulations over the next  six months. He                                                                    
stated   that   the   MPOs  and   public   involvement   and                                                                    
consultations   would  be   reexamined  with   a  focus   on                                                                    
coordination  of  interested  parties.  STIP  management  in                                                                    
coordination  with the  TIPS within  the MPO  would also  be                                                                    
investigated for consistency. He  said that further focus on                                                                    
performance  targets would  also  be a  priority. He  shared                                                                    
that there  would be  a dedicated team  working on  the MPOs                                                                    
and  coordinating  with  the  department.  He  related  that                                                                    
planning authority would be discussed. He                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  asked  Commissioner Anderson  to  discuss                                                                    
toll credits and they related to the AMHS.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:35:50 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Anderson  referenced  toll  credits  and  STIP                                                                    
comments with concern  about how DOT had  shown toll credits                                                                    
on  projects and  the  terminology that  had  been used.  He                                                                    
recounted looking at the State  of Washington for formatting                                                                    
design. He  said that  the plan was  being reviewed  and the                                                                    
department was waiting for approval.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked whether the  approval was in the time                                                                    
frame as that of the STIP.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Anderson  responded  that   there  was  not  a                                                                    
timeframe  for  the review.  He  believed  that the  federal                                                                    
government would be responsive.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman stressed that  receiving the information in                                                                    
a timely  manner would be  necessary for a  smooth budgetary                                                                    
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:37:12 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop  asked how  Commissioner Anderson  felt about                                                                    
Tier 2 actions  and whether he thought  they were achievable                                                                    
in the time frame allowed.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson  replied in the affirmative.  He added                                                                    
that it would take a lot of resources and work.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  asked  whether  the  necessary  work  and                                                                    
resources would impact the Operating Budget.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson  thought Co-Chair Stedman had  posed a                                                                    
good  question. He  noted that  the department  had been  so                                                                    
focused on  completing the  STIP it  had not  examined where                                                                    
the  resources would  be drawn  from. From  his perspective,                                                                    
the work would  be internally resourced due to  the need for                                                                    
expertise.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman   suggested    that   DOTs   subcommittee                                                                    
presentation address  the resources necessary to  resubmit a                                                                    
successful application.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:39:08 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman  asked  Commissioner Anderson  to  address                                                                    
what may be impacted by the federal aviation program.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson relayed that  the aviation program was                                                                    
separate from the STIP, and no impacts were anticipated.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:40:01 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson  turned to slide 15,  " Moving Forward                                                                    
  Rolling STIP":                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Rolling STIP                                                                                                               
     Instead  of   every  three   years,  it's   an  ongoing                                                                    
     iterative  process, building  the  capacity inside  the                                                                    
     department and allowing us to  create greater layers of                                                                    
     understanding with the public.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     States with rolling (annual) STIPs:                                                                                        
      Washington:wsdot.wa.gov/business-wsdot/support-local-                                                                     
     programs/deliveringyourproject/statewidetransportation                                                                     
     -improvement-program-stip                                                                                                  
     • Montana: www.mdt.mt.gov/pubinvolve/stip.aspx                                                                             
      California:catc.ca.gov/programs/state-transportation-                                                                     
     improvement-program                                                                                                        
      Nebraska      dot.nebraska.gov/media/21hc2mkm/stip-pd-                                                                    
     guidelines.pdf                                                                                                             
      Minnesota:www.dot.state.mn.us/planning/program/stip.h                                                                     
     tml                                                                                                                        
      Texas           (every            two           years)                                                                    
     :www.txdot.gov/projects/planning/stip.html                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:41:10 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilson  asked about the percentage  of completion to                                                                    
meet the resubmission deadline.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Anderson  estimated  that the  percentage  was                                                                    
approximately 90 percent.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:41:48 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl was  unfamiliar with  rolling STIPs  in other                                                                    
states.  He  asked whether  reauthorizing  a  two year  plan                                                                    
every year would bring the state to this same position.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson replied in the  negative. He said if a                                                                    
new STIP on  a two-year cycle would  remove uncertainty when                                                                    
obligating projects.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl understood it would  be a four-year plan every                                                                    
second year.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Anderson  thanked   the  committee   for  the                                                                    
opportunity  to present.  He recognized  that the  situation                                                                    
was not ideal, and the department took it very seriously.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:43:35 AM                                                                                                                   
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:44:10 AM                                                                                                                   
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked about the  amendment due at  the end                                                                    
of March.  He asked whether  DOT would fully extend the STIP                                                                    
or leave room for adjustments of the MPO process.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Anderson  said  that  if  the  new  STIP  were                                                                    
approved   through  2027,   the  department   would  be   in                                                                    
discussions with the  FHWA on how it was  supposed to manage                                                                    
funds  dedicated to  the national  highway  system. He  said                                                                    
that amendments could be needed to fund some projects.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Anderson  showed   slide   16,  "Thank   You.                                                                    
Questions?":                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Ryan         Anderson,        P.E.         Commissioner                                                                    
     [email protected] 907-465-3900                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:46:21 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  discussed housekeeping. He noted  that the                                                                    
meeting the  following morning would focus  on the Operating                                                                    
Budget  and   how  the  state   would  meet   its  financial                                                                    
obligations.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
10:48:21 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 10:48 a.m.