Legislature(2023 - 2024)SENATE FINANCE 532

02/19/2024 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE

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09:02:19 AM Governor's Budget Amendments
09:47:48 AM Adjourn
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Governor's Budget Amendments
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                 SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     February 19, 2024                                                                                          
                         9:01 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:01:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman called the Senate Finance Committee                                                                            
meeting to order at 9:01 a.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyman Hoffman, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Donny Olson, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Bert Stedman, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                            
Senator Jesse Kiehl                                                                                                             
Senator Kelly Merrick                                                                                                           
Senator David Wilson                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Lacey Sanders, Director, Office of Management and Budget.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
^GOVERNOR'S BUDGET AMENDMENTS                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:02:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LACEY SANDERS,  DIRECTOR, OFFICE  OF MANAGEMENT  AND BUDGET,                                                                    
(OMB) discussed  the presentation, "State of  Alaska, Office                                                                    
of Management and Budget,  FY2025 Governor's Amended Budget,                                                                    
Senate  Finance  Committee,  February  19,  2024"  (copy  on                                                                    
file).                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders addressed slide 2, "FY 2025 Updated Fiscal                                                                          
Summary":                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Footnotes:                                                                                                                 
     1. Includes $61 million for the approved 2023 Fire                                                                         
     Season Disaster Declaration during FY2024.                                                                                 
     2. The Constitutional Budget Reserve (CBR) Cash                                                                            
     Balance per Department of Revenue.                                                                                         
     3. The Statutory Budget Reserve (SBR) balance reflects                                                                     
     the unobligated balance.                                                                                                   
     4. Percent of Market Value (POMV) from the Earnings                                                                        
     Reserve Account (ERA).                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:05:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman  wondered  how   the  shortfall  would  be                                                                    
addressed in the amendments.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  replied that the governor's  budget would still                                                                    
propose a withdrawal from the CBR and SBR.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  remarked that  the legislature  was highly                                                                    
unlikely to approve a withdrawal  from the CBR, and wondered                                                                    
whether there were alternatives to the CBR.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  replied that the  governor recognized  that the                                                                    
budget was  a process,  and she  stressed that  the proposed                                                                    
budget  had a  draw  from  the CBR.  She  remarked that  the                                                                    
legislature  may  take other  actions,  and  noted that  the                                                                    
governor  was  willing  to  have  conversations  about  that                                                                    
subject.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman wondered how a  change to the payout of the                                                                    
Permanent  Fund Dividend  (PFD)  to 50/50  would change  the                                                                    
deficit number.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders replied  that a 50/50 dividend  would change the                                                                    
deficit  by about  $450  million, so  the  deficit would  be                                                                    
reduced to about $500 million.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman asked  how a  75/25 dividend  would affect                                                                    
the deficit.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders responded that she  believed it would change the                                                                    
deficit to approximately $250 million.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman remarked  that  the  75/25 dividend  would                                                                    
still result in a quarter of a million dollars deficit.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders pointed  to slide  3,  "Updated 10-Year  Fiscal                                                                    
Outlook."  She  remarked  that  the  slide  was  updated  to                                                                    
include the  amendments and  supplemental requests  from the                                                                    
governor.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  discussed slide 4, "Operating  Budget by Agency                                                                    
(UGF)."  She  stated  that  the slide  showed  UGF  and  the                                                                    
management plan budgets  as compared to the  prior year. She                                                                    
noted that  the largest appropriation was  to the Department                                                                    
of Education and Early Development (DEED).                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:10:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  wondered how  adjusted the DEED  budget to                                                                    
the previous year would affect the deficit.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders agreed to follow up with information.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders looked  at slide  5, "Operating  Governor Amend                                                                    
Requests."  She  stated  that   the  following  slides  were                                                                    
divided into operating and capital budgets.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders began  with  the  Department of  Administration                                                                    
(DOA) budget amendments.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders addressed the  Department of Commerce, Community                                                                    
and Economic Development (DCCED) amendments.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  pointed to  the  Department  of Education  and                                                                    
Early Development (DEED) amendments.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:15:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  discussed   the  Department  of  Environmental                                                                    
Conservation (DEC) amendments.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  pointed  to  the   Department  of  Family  and                                                                    
Community Services (DFCS) amendments.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders addressed the Department  of Fish and Game (DFG)                                                                    
amendments.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman wondered  whether  the administration  had                                                                    
considered bringing  forward a  response plan  for assisting                                                                    
the fishing industry.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders replied  that the commissioners of  both DFG and                                                                    
DCCED were working on a plan to address those needs.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  wondered  whether   the  plan  should  be                                                                    
expected to the legislature.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  responded that  she would  follow up  on timing                                                                    
for the plan.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Hoffman  stressed   that   it  was   particularly                                                                    
important because the fishing  industry provided millions of                                                                    
dollars of employment to Alaskans.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  pointed  to the  Department  of  Health  (DOH)                                                                    
amendments.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:20:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders addressed the Department  of Labor and Workforce                                                                    
Development (DLWD) amendments.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  pointed to the Department  of Natural Resources                                                                    
(DNR) amendments.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders discussed the Department  of Public Safety (DPS)                                                                    
amendments.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bishop asked  for the  cost  of the  classification                                                                    
study per PCN.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders agreed to provide that information.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl noted  some proposals  using the  Restorative                                                                    
Justice  Fund providing  valuable resources,  especially for                                                                    
victim  services. He  wondered whether  those requests  were                                                                    
based on  the governor's proposed  PFD level, and  whether a                                                                    
lesser amount would require replacing the authorization.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders replied  that the  Restorative Justice  Account                                                                    
was based on the prior year's PFD.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:25:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Hoffman  thanked   the  governor   for  including                                                                    
additional  Village Public  Safety  Officers  (VPSO) in  the                                                                    
budget, but asked Co-Chair Olson  to investigate whether DPS                                                                    
would provide additional efforts for recruitment.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Olson  agreed that  recruitment and  retention were                                                                    
major issues, and agreed to examine the issue.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  addressed  the  Department  of  Revenue  (DOR)                                                                    
amendments.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders pointed to the  Department of Transportation and                                                                    
Public Facilities (DOT) amendments.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop remarked that  he supported road maintenance,                                                                    
and noted that  Tanana residents drove on the  road that was                                                                    
in dire  need of maintenance.  He felt that there  needed to                                                                    
be the same focus on rural roads as more urban roads.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  remarked  that there  was  a  capital  project                                                                    
proposal for completion of the bridges and roads.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:31:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl wondered whether  there had been conversations                                                                    
with the Department of Law  about meeting the public purpose                                                                    
test  for  non-governmental  roads.  He also  noted  a  fair                                                                    
amount of  whether the  funding for  farming roads  could be                                                                    
used throughout the state, or only for specific areas.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  replied  that  she   had  not  spoken  to  the                                                                    
Department of  Law, but would  follow up on that  issue. She                                                                    
also deferred to  DOT about the areas of  funding covered by                                                                    
the farming roads.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Olson  wondered whether  there would be  an amended                                                                    
supplemental  budget  related  to  Statewide  Transportation                                                                    
Improvement Program (STIP).                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  stated that  it  was  "too premature"  to  say                                                                    
whether there  would be amendments, because  DOT was working                                                                    
on  the STIP  issue. She  furthered that  the STIP  would be                                                                    
addressing future projects.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders looked at the University amendments.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman  noted  conversations about  teachers  and                                                                    
employment   turnover  and   whether   the  University   had                                                                    
addressed that  issue. He asked Senator  Bishop to summarize                                                                    
that conversation.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop  stated that there  was a  serious shortfall,                                                                    
and remarked that he could  not speak to the current levels.                                                                    
He noted that  there had been recruitment  outreach to rural                                                                    
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:35:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman remarked that  the University system should                                                                    
be examining the shortfalls.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  displayed  slide 6,  "Capital  Governor  Amend                                                                    
Requests."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders addressed the DOA amendments.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders pointed to the DCCED amendments.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop  wondered whether  the money was  coming from                                                                    
the Alaska Gasline Inducement Act (AGIA) funds.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders replied in the affirmative.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Bishop  asked   whether  the   administration  was                                                                    
concerned about a "run on a bank" and failure to pay.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders replied  that  there was  not  a concern  about                                                                    
utilizing a small portion of the fund.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders looked at the DEC amendments.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:40:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bishop wondered  whether  the department  employees                                                                    
had  the   wherewithal  to  determine  an   asset  versus  a                                                                    
liability.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman felt  that  marine  surveys were  critical                                                                    
work.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Sanders  addressed   the  Department   of  Law   (LAW)                                                                    
amendments.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  looked  at  the  Department  of  Military  and                                                                    
Veterans Affairs (DMVA) amendments.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders highlighted the DOT budget amendments.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders pointed  to  slide  7, "Operating  Supplemental                                                                    
Requests."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders addressed slide 8, "Capital Supplemental                                                                            
Requests."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman discussed committee business.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
9:47:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 9:47 a.m.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Attachment B - FY2025 Capital Governor Amend Bill Summary Spreadsheet 2.14.2024.pdf SFIN 2/19/2024 9:00:00 AM
Governor's Budget Amendments
021924 Attachment A - FY2025 Governor Amend Operating Summary Spreadsheet - 2.14.2024.pdf SFIN 2/19/2024 9:00:00 AM
Governor's Budget Amendments
Attachment D - FY2024 Capital Supplemental Governor Amend Bill Summary Spreadsheet 2.14.2024.pdf SFIN 2/19/2024 9:00:00 AM
Govenror's Budget Amendments
Attachment C - FY2024 Supplemental Operating Summary Spreadsheet - 2.14.2024.pdf SFIN 2/19/2024 9:00:00 AM
Governor's Budget Amendments
021924 OMB Senate Finance FY2025 Gov Amend Budget Overview.pdf SFIN 2/19/2024 9:00:00 AM
Governor's Budget Amendments