Legislature(2023 - 2024)SENATE FINANCE 532

01/25/2024 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE

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09:03:37 AM Fy 25 Budget Overview: Legislative Finance Division
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                 SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     January 25, 2024                                                                                           
                         9:02 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:02:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman called the Senate Finance Committee                                                                            
meeting to order at 9:02 a.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyman Hoffman, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Donny Olson, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Bert Stedman, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                            
Senator Jesse Kiehl                                                                                                             
Senator Kelly Merrick                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator David Wilson                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Alexei Painter, Director, Legislative Finance Division                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
^FY 25 BUDGET OVERVIEW: LEGISLATIVE FINANCE DIVISION                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:03:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ALEXEI PAINTER, DIRECTOR, LEGISLATIVE FINANCE DIVISION,                                                                         
(LFD) discussed the presentation,  "Update on State Employee                                                                    
Vacancies  and  Other  Budget  Issues"  (copy  on  file).  He                                                                   
looked at slide 2, "Outline":                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     • Updated State employee vacancy data                                                                                      
     • How are vacancies addressed?                                                                                             
     • Operating and capital budget crossover                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter addressed  slide  3, "State  of Alaska  Budgeted                                                                   
versus  Filled PCNs,  2015-2023."  He stated  that the  slide                                                                   
showed the  positions from the  state positions.  He remarked                                                                   
that the  budgeted and filled  positions had  decreased since                                                                   
2015. He  remarked that  the number  of filled positions  had                                                                   
decreased more than the budgeted positions.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:05:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter highlighted  slide 4,  "Percentage of  Full-Time                                                                   
State  PCNs Filled,  2015-2023." He  noted that  there was  a                                                                   
decrease   by  nearly   3  percent,   with   only  a   slight                                                                   
improvement  form  the all-time  low.  He stressed  that  the                                                                   
slide only represented the executive branch positions.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bishop  requested a  ballpark  total  number of  all                                                                   
state positions.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter replied  that it was difficult to  do a straight-                                                                   
line comparison.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl  wondered  whether  there was  money  for  the                                                                   
positions represented in the blue line.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter replied  that  generally  there was  a  budgeted                                                                   
vacancy  factor when  budgeting positions.  He stressed  that                                                                   
sometimes  vacancies  caused increased  cost,  and  sometimes                                                                   
the vacancies caused decreased costs.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:09:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  discussed  slide   5,  "Full-Time  PCN  Vacancy                                                                   
Percentages by Agency,  December 2022 and December  2023." He                                                                   
stated  that  the  agencies  were sorted  by  the  number  of                                                                   
positions, comparing  the current year to the  previous year.                                                                   
He noted that  overall there was a 14.5 percent  vacancy rate                                                                   
in  December  2022  and  a  13.8   percent  vacancy  rate  in                                                                   
December  2023. He  noted that  there  was some  improvement,                                                                   
but  it  was  not  a  universal  improvement.  He  noted  the                                                                   
Department  of Corrections  (DOC)  vacancy rate  improvement.                                                                   
He summarized  the remaining  departments represented  in the                                                                   
slide.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  addressed  slide  6,  "Vacancy  Percentages  by                                                                   
Range, December 2022  to December 2023." He  stated that most                                                                   
positions were  in ranges  between 10 and  24. He  noted that                                                                   
there was  not a clear  pattern in the  changes from  year to                                                                   
year.  He remarked  that the  highest vacancy  rates were  at                                                                   
either end  of the spectrum of  the ranges. He  remarked that                                                                   
the trend  in wage growth  happened in  the last year  at the                                                                   
lower end of the pay range.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  looked  at  slide   7,  "Position  Titles  with                                                                   
Highest Vacancy  Rates, December  2023." He pointed  out that                                                                   
the  highest  vacancy  rate was  for  Unemployment  Insurance                                                                   
Techs at a vacancy  rate of around 38 percent.  He noted that                                                                   
there  had been  a longstanding  problem  filling the  public                                                                   
health nurse positions.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:15:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  pointed  to  slide  8,  "Allocations  with  the                                                                   
Highest  Vacancy Rates,  December  2023." He  noted that  the                                                                   
highest  vacancy  rate increase  went  from 23.7  percent  to                                                                   
42.1  percent.  He  detailed   the  vacancy  rate  allocation                                                                   
increases in the other agencies on the slide.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  displayed  slide  9, "What  Is  the  Impact  of                                                                   
Vacancies?"                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     • For some types of employees, the workload is fixed                                                                       
     so vacancies result in higher costs due to overtime.                                                                       
     Examples:                                                                                                                  
             Correctional Officers  earn time-and-a-half  for                                                                   
          overtime,  and  overtime is  often  worked by  more                                                                   
          senior  employees  rather  than  new  recruits,  so                                                                   
          vacancies increase costs substantially.                                                                               
             The work of  two vacant  actuarial positions  in                                                                   
          the  Department  of Commerce  have  been filled  by                                                                   
          contracts  estimated  to  cost between  $500.0  and                                                                   
          $1,000.0 in FY25.                                                                                                     
     • In other cases, vacancies result in work being done                                                                      
     more slowly, services being reduced, or employees                                                                          
     having unsustainable workloads. Examples:                                                                                  
             The  Alaska  Marine   Highway  System  has  been                                                                   
          unable  to  run a  full  schedule  in part  due  to                                                                   
          staffing shortages.                                                                                                   
             There  have been  delays  processing  retirement                                                                   
          paperwork,   due  to   a  shortage  of   Retirement                                                                   
          Technicians  in  the  Division  of  Retirement  and                                                                   
          Benefits.                                                                                                             
             Burnout  appears  to  be  a  problem  in  Public                                                                   
          Assistance,  Public  Defenders,  Public  Guardians,                                                                   
          and  the Division of  Personnel, among  others, due                                                                   
          to unsustainable workloads.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:24:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter addressed slide 10, "How Are Vacancy Issues                                                                         
Addressed?                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     • For  issues that apply  to a broad class  of employees                                                                   
     (such  as  an  entire bargaining  unit),  there  can  be                                                                   
     across-the-board raises.                                                                                                   
             Examples:  Public Safety  Employees  Association                                                                   
          (primarily   representing   State  Troopers)   will                                                                   
          receive increases  of 7 percent in  FY24, 3 percent                                                                   
          in FY25, and 10 percent in FY26.                                                                                      
             The legislature  created a  new salary  schedule                                                                   
          for  attorneys in  2022 that  is 15 percent  higher                                                                   
          than other partially exempt positions.                                                                                
     • For  issues regarding  a particular  position  type, a                                                                   
    classification study (conducted by the Division of                                                                          
     Personnel  and  Labor  Relations  in the  Department  of                                                                   
     Administration)   can  increase   wages  to   match  the                                                                   
     market.                                                                                                                    
            For  example, Public  Health Nurse salaries  were                                                                   
          increased  in  FY22 after  completion  of a  salary                                                                   
          study.                                                                                                                
             However,   there  is  currently   a  substantial                                                                   
          backlog    of    classification     studies.    The                                                                   
          legislature  appropriated $1.0 million in  FY24 for                                                                   
          a   broader  review   of  classification   that  is                                                                   
          expected at the end of the fiscal year.                                                                               
     •  Narrower  issues  can   be  handled  through  regular                                                                   
     contract negotiations, but often are done through                                                                          
     Letters   of  Agreement   (LOAs)  outside  the   regular                                                                   
     contract.                                                                                                                  
            For  example, the Correctional  Officers contract                                                                   
          includes  a provision  providing  a permanent  step                                                                   
          increase  to  employees  who  work  at  the  Spring                                                                   
          Creek  Correctional   Institute  due  to  long-term                                                                   
          vacancy issues in that institution.                                                                                   
             So far  in  FY24, 13  LOAs  with monetary  terms                                                                   
          have  been sent  to the  legislature, ranging  from                                                                   
          applying   to   a  single   person   to  all   AMHS                                                                   
          employees.  These  include bonuses,  overtime  pay,                                                                   
          and extra merit steps.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop requested a ballpark timeline to complete a                                                                      
classification study.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter agreed to provide that information.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop noted  the permanent step increase  for Spring                                                                   
Creek   Correctional  Center,   and   wondered  whether   the                                                                   
increase was because it was a maximum security prison.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter replied  that  there  were some  various  issues                                                                   
with  the  facility. He  remarked  that  it being  a  maximum                                                                   
security  prison   was  a  factor  in  that   permanent  step                                                                   
increase. He stressed that housing was limited in Seward.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:30:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter looked at slide 11, "More about LOAs":                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     •  LOAs including  a monetary  term are  required to  be                                                                   
     approved  by  the  legislature.  In the  FY23  and  FY24                                                                   
     budgets,  the  legislature  has included  language  that                                                                   
     approves  all LOAs provided  that they  are sent  to the                                                                   
     Legislative   Finance   Division  (ensuring   that   the                                                                   
     legislature can review them).                                                                                              
     • Agencies  can often  absorb the costs  of LOAs  due to                                                                   
     the   vacant  positions.   However,   this   is  not   a                                                                   
     sustainable  way to fix the  problems because  LOAs tend                                                                   
     to be temporary measures.                                                                                                  
             The  Division of  Finance  had  an LOA  in  FY23                                                                   
          providing  bonuses to Human Resources  Technicians.                                                                   
          In   June  2023,   the  vacancy   rate  for   these                                                                   
          positions  was  30.4   percent.  The  LOA  did  not                                                                   
          continue  into FY24.  By August  2023, the  vacancy                                                                   
          rate  for these positions  was up to  41.1 percent,                                                                   
          and   in  December   it  was   46.4  percent.   The                                                                   
          Governor's   FY25  budget   includes  funding   for                                                                   
          bonuses again in FY25.                                                                                                
             If positions  are  subsequently filled,  vacancy                                                                   
          can no longer pay for these extra measures.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:35:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl  wondered  who  was working  in  the  systemic                                                                   
solutions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  replied that  that he did  not know  the actions                                                                   
of the administration.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl appreciated  the work on the  issue, but wanted                                                                   
to explore the issue to determine the root of the problem.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop wanted to ensure that help was provided on                                                                       
issue of payroll payments.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter discussed slide 12, "Operating Items in Capital                                                                     
Budget":                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     • AS 37.07.120(4) states:                                                                                                  
          "capital   projects"  and  "capital   improvements"                                                                   
          mean  an allocation  or appropriation  item  for an                                                                   
          asset with  an anticipated life exceeding  one year                                                                   
          and  a  cost  exceeding $25,000  and  include  land                                                                   
          acquisition,        construction,        structural                                                                   
          improvement,   engineering  and   design  for   the                                                                   
          project, and equipment and repair costs                                                                               
     • Operating  budget items  in the numbers  section lapse                                                                   
     at  the  end   of  the  fiscal  year.   Capital  project                                                                   
     appropriations  last  the  life  of  the  project,  some                                                                   
     spanning many  years. This makes capital  appropriations                                                                   
     more flexible for agencies than operating items.                                                                           
     •  When  operating  items  are  placed  in  the  capital                                                                   
     budget,  it can  distort the  true size  of the  State's                                                                   
     ongoing   budgetary   obligations.   Keeping   a   clear                                                                   
     separation  between  the two  budgets  is important  for                                                                   
     maintain  a transparent budget  and for enabling  fiscal                                                                   
     planning.                                                                                                                  
     • The  line between capital  and operating items  is not                                                                   
     always  clear; items  such  as funding  for  maintenance                                                                   
     can be found in both budgets.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:42:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop agreed that the capital item was an asset                                                                        
until it becomes a liability through deferred maintenance.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter looked at slide 13, "Potential Operating Items                                                                      
in the FY25 Governor's Capital Budget."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:51:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl wondered whether there was a way to automated                                                                     
way to put the ongoing cost into the operating budget.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter replied that there were various efforts, but                                                                        
were not necessarily "smooth."                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter noted that there were slides included in the                                                                        
presentation in the appendix.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked for an overview of those slides.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter looked at slide 15, "Appendix":                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     The  following  slides  are  repeated from  a  March  9,                                                                   
     2023, presentation  to the Senate Finance  Committee and                                                                   
     are included at the chair's request.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:53:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter discussed slide 16, " Historical Retention Data                                                                     
  About the Data Source":                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     •  The  Division  of Retirement  and  Benefits  provided                                                                   
     data on employee retention from FY03-22.                                                                                   
     •  The data  shows whether  employees hired  in a  given                                                                   
     fiscal  year  are  still   employed  by  the  same  PERS                                                                   
     employer in subsequent years.                                                                                              
     •  The  data   is  broken  out  by  employer   in  three                                                                   
     categories:  the   State  as  an  employer,   other  SBS                                                                   
     employers, other non-SBS employers.                                                                                        
     • It's  further broken out  for TRS, PERS  public safety                                                                   
     and  fire  employees  (PERS  P/F), and  all  other  PERS                                                                   
     employees.  This  presentation   will  only  cover  PERS                                                                   
     "non-P/F" employees.                                                                                                       
     • Finally,  it distinguishes  between employees in  a DB                                                                   
     or DC system.                                                                                                              
     • One  limitation of  this data:  if an employee  leaves                                                                   
     and  comes back,  they show  up as a  new employee  when                                                                   
     they  return.  This may  skew  the comparisons  for  the                                                                   
     early  years of  the DC  system  if returning  employees                                                                   
     and  new   employees  have  meaningful   differences  in                                                                   
     retention.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter pointed to slide 17, "Retention Rate by Class                                                                       
Year, PERS Non-P/F, State Only."                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:57:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter discussed slide 18, "Year 6 and 11 Retention,                                                                       
PERS All Others, State Only."                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter pointed to slide 19, "Non-State Employers in                                                                        
Social Security/SBS":                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     •  In addition  to the  DB or  DC system,  all State  of                                                                   
     Alaska employees  are in  the Supplemental  Annuity Plan                                                                   
     (SBS),  which  is a  defined  contribution  plan with  a                                                                   
     6.13  percent  employee contribution,  matched  by  6.13                                                                   
     percent employer  contribution. This  system essentially                                                                   
     replaces Social Security for these employees.                                                                              
     •  Non-State  PERS employers  have  varied  supplemental                                                                   
     plans. Of  the 14,163 non-State, non-P/F  PERS employees                                                                   
     in the  DC system, 7,473  are in Social  Security, 1,645                                                                   
     are in SBS, and 5,045 are in neither plan.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter displayed slide 20, "Retention Rate by Class                                                                        
Year, PERS Non-P/F, Non- State, Non-SBS Only."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter highlighted slide 21, "Year 6 and 11 Retention,                                                                     
PERS Non-P/F, Non-State, Non-SBS Only."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:00:32 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter addressed slide 22, "Retention Rate by Employer                                                                     
Type, PERS Non-P/F  FY03-06 (DB) only."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman discussed housekeeping.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
10:04:28 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 10:04 a.m.                                                                                         

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