Legislature(2021 - 2022)SENATE FINANCE 532

01/26/2022 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE

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09:02:51 AM Start
09:03:21 AM Presentation: Alaska Permanent Fund Corporation
10:24:50 AM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Alaska Permanent Fund Corporation TELECONFERENCED
Valerie Mertz, Acting CEO & Chief Financial
Officer
Marcus Frampton, Chief Investment Officer
Paulyn Swanson, Director of Communications
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                    SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                    
                        January 26, 2022                                                                                        
                            9:02 a.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:02:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman called the Senate Finance Committee                                                                            
meeting to order at 9:02 a.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Click Bishop, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Bert Stedman, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                           
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
Senator Natasha von Imhof                                                                                                       
Senator Bill Wielechowski                                                                                                       
Senator David Wilson                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Valerie Mertz, Acting Executive Director and Chief                                                                              
Financial Officer, Alaska Permanent Fund Corporation.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Marcus Frampton, Chief Investment Officer, Alaska Permanent                                                                     
Fund Corporation.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: ALASKA PERMANENT FUND CORPORATION                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:03:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman reminded that the Permanent Fund was one                                                                       
of the state's number one assets.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: ALASKA PERMANENT FUND CORPORATION                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:04:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VALERIE    MERTZ,   ACTING    EXECUTIVE    DIRECTOR    AND   CHIEF                                                              
FINANCIAL    OFFICER,   ALASKA   PERMANENT    FUND   CORPORATION,                                                               
introduced  herself  and  discussed  her  background.  She  shared                                                              
she  was  certified  in  the  mid-1990s   as  a Certified   Public                                                              
Accountant.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mertz  assured  the  committee   that  there  was  good  work                                                              
going on at APFC.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:06:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Mertz   discussed    a   presentation,    "APFC   -   Alaska                                                              
Permanent    Fund   Corporation,    Senate   Finance   Committee,                                                               
January  26,  2022"  (copy  on  file).  She  looked  at  slide  2,                                                              
"APFC Alaska Permanent Fund Corporation, Established 1980":                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
      Fiduciary Duty                                                                                                          
      APFC operates as a separate state entity under the                                                                        
      oversight of an independent Board of Trustees who                                                                         
      serve as fiduciaries of the Alaska Permanent Fund                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
      Mission                                                                                                                 
      To manage and invest the assets of the permanent fund                                                                     
      and other funds designated by law in accordance with                                                                      
      AS 37.13.010-37.13.190.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
      Vision                                                                                                                  
      To deliver outstanding returns for the benefit of all                                                                     
      current and future generations of Alaskans.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
      Alaska Permanent Fund                                                                                                     
      Principal                                                                                                                 
      Constitution and AS 37.13.010                                                                                             
      Earnings Reserve Account                                                                                                  
      AS 37.13.145 (a)                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
      Amerada Hess Settlement                                                                                                   
      AS 37.13.145 (d)                                                                                                          
      AK Capital Income Fund AS 37.05.565                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
      Alaska Mental Health Trust Fund                                                                                           
      AS 37.13.300                                                                                                              
      Alaska Mental Health Trust Authority                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:07:07 AM                                                                                                                    
Ms.  Mertz spoke  to  slide 3,  " Fund  Value:  $80,984,300,000  -                                                              
Unaudited  as  of  November  30,  2021,"  which  showed  two  bars                                                              
depicting   the  funds   in  the   principal   and  the   Earnings                                                              
Reserve   Account    (ERA).   She  noted    that  APFC   put   the                                                              
presentation   together   at  the  same  time  as  December   2021                                                              
numbers  were  being  finalized.   She  pointed  out  that  at the                                                              
end  of  November  the  fund  principal   held  $51.1  billion  in                                                              
royalty  deposits  and  other  appropriations  and  $14.2  billion                                                              
in  unrealized   gains.   The  Earnings   Reserve  Account   (ERA)                                                              
held  $8.9  billion   in  uncommitted   realized  earnings,   $3.4                                                              
billion  in  POMV  commitment   for  FY23,  and  $3.4  billion  in                                                              
unrealized   gains.  Unrealized   gains  and  losses  on  invested                                                              
assets  were  held until  an investment   was sold,  then  the net                                                              
realized earnings flowed to the ERA.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:08:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mertz referenced   slide 4,  "Sources  of Change  in  Value -                                                              
FY 21  End to  FY 22  as of November  30,  2021,"  which  showed a                                                              
table  depicting  how  the fund  had changed  in  value since  the                                                              
end  of  the fiscal  year.  She  said  that  at  the  end of  FY21                                                              
the  fund  had  a  value  of  $81.9  billion  and  just  under  $2                                                              
billion in net investment revenue had been added since.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair    Stedman    suggested    that    the   pace    of   the                                                              
presentation increase.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:09:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mertz  turned  to  slide  5, "APFC  Return   on Investment,"                                                               
which  showed  a table  with  graphics  showing  a  comparison  of                                                              
metrics from FY 20 to FY 21.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:09:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mertz   considered   slide  6,  "  A   Renewable  Resource",                                                               
which   showed   a   graphical   representation    of   the   fund                                                              
structure that made up the Permanent Fund:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
      Historically, the Permanent Fund was used as a savings                                                                    
      device to generate revenues and pay dividends.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
      Today,  the   Fund   is  used   as  a  savings   device   to                                                              
      generate  revenues   for  the   General  Fund   through  the                                                              
      POMV Draw  to  support  statewide  services   and  programs,                                                              
      including the dividend.                                                                                                   
9:10:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mertz displayed slide 7, " Principal."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mertz highlighted slide 8, "Principal":                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
      Grows through-                                                                                                            
      Royalty  Deposits     AS  37.13.010  (a)(1)   and  (a)(2)The                                                              
      constitutionally    minimum   required    25%   of   royalty                                                              
      proceeds  and  the statutorily   mandated  deposits   of 50%                                                              
      for leases after 1979.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
      Inflation   Proofing      AS  37.13.145   (c)The   inflation                                                              
      proofing  calculation   is   based  on  deposits   into  the                                                              
      Principal   and   the   inflation    rate   calculated   per                                                              
      statute.   An  appropriation   is  needed  to  fulfill  this                                                              
      statutory obligation.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
      Special    Appropriations          AS   37.13.010     (a)(3)                                                              
      Legislative  Deposits   from  both  the   General  Fund  and                                                              
      the ERA.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
      Constitutionally Established                                                                                              
      .notdefPermanent Savings                                                                                                  
      .notdefUsed only for income-producing investments                                                                         
      .notdefNot available for appropriation                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mertz pointed  out  the table  on  the right-hand  side  that                                                              
showed   the   history   of  inflation    transfer   and   royalty                                                              
deposits by fiscal year 2009 through 2022.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:11:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Wilson   asked   why   Ms.  Mertz   expected    a  large                                                              
increase in royalties in FY22                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mertz  stated  that the  number  on the  table  was  provided                                                              
by DOR as part of the revenue forecast.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  interjected   that the  number  was contingent                                                               
on the price of oil.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:11:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Wielechowski   clarified   that   the  money   that  the                                                              
state  transferred   in  the previous   years  was  designated  as                                                              
inflation  proofing  and  wondered  why  it was  not reflected  on                                                              
the slide.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mertz relayed  that  for  reporting  purposes  the  transfers                                                              
were classified as special appropriations.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Wielechowski   emphasized   that  the  legislature   had                                                              
specifically   designated  $9  billion  over  the last  two  years                                                              
for inflation proofing.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  thought  there  was  some confusion.   He noted                                                              
two  appropriations,  one  for  $4.9 billion  that  was  specified                                                              
toward  inflation  proofing,   and another   for $4  billion  that                                                              
had  not  had  the  specific   language  attached.   He  said  the                                                              
fund    should   be    inflation    proofed    first    and   then                                                              
contributions   should  be  made  to  the  principal   to  protect                                                              
and  grow  the  fund.   He  stressed   clarity  in  appropriation                                                               
language.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:13:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mertz  looked   at slide   9, "  Principal   Contributions,"                                                               
which  showed  a bar  graph  that  illustrated   contributions  to                                                              
the  principal   of the  fund  since  inception.   She  said  that                                                              
the  gold bars  represented  mineral  royalties,   the bring  blue                                                              
bars were inflation proofing, and the royal blue bars were                                                                      
transfers   from  the  ERA  to   the  principal.   She  said  that                                                              
since  inception   $18.4  billion   of  royalty  deposits,   $18.0                                                              
billion  in inflation   proofing,  and  $15.0 billion  in  special                                                              
appropriations had been deposited into the fund.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  noted  that  FY10 showed  negative  inflation.                                                               
He  queried  the numeric  relative   to the  $8 billion  added  in                                                              
2022 for FY16, FY17, FY18 and FY21.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mertz  relayed   that  the  total  of  the  five  years  that                                                              
there   had   not  been   an   appropriation    specifically   for                                                              
inflation proofing, estimating for FY22, was $4.4 billion.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman   thought  it  would  be  nice  if there   was a                                                              
footnote  to  indicate   the legislative   intent  of  the  nearly                                                              
$9 billion appropriated for inflation proofing.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:16:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mertz showed slide 10, " Earnings Reserve Account."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Mertz   advanced   to   slide   11,   "  Earnings    Reserve                                                              
Account":                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
      .notdefEstablished in AS 37.13.145 (a) as a separate account                                                              
      to  hold    the   realized   earnings    from   the   Fund's                                                              
      investment portfolio                                                                                                      
      .notdefInvested under the same  asset  allocation    as  the                                                              
      Principal                                                                                                                 
      .notdefIs available for appropriation                                                                                     
      .notdefGrows through the receipt of statutory net income                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:16:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mertz looked at slide 12, "Statutory Net Income":                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
      AS 37.13.140   (a)  directs  the  net  investment   earnings                                                              
      of the  Fund  to  the  ERA  excluding   unrealized  gains  &                                                              
      losses.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
      Statutory   Net    Income   is   the   direct    result   of                                                              
      investment activity:                                                                                                      
      Monthly   cash   inflows   from   stock   dividends,    bond                                                              
      interest, and real estate                                                                                                 
      Realized    Capital    Gains/Losses:     The   net    income                                                              
      generated  by  the sale  of  investments.   (i.e.,  realized                                                              
      gains minus realized losses)                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
      FY21 as of June 30, 2021                                                                                                  
      SNI = $7,962,400,000                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
      FY 22 as of November 30, 2021                                                                                             
      SNI = $2,993,600,000                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mertz  noted that  the  bars  on the  chart  represented  the                                                              
statutory   net  income,   and  the   gold  line  was   the  total                                                              
return  for  the fund.  She  noted  there  was not  necessarily  a                                                              
correlation   between  the  total  return   to the  fund  and  the                                                              
statutory  net  income   flowing  into  the  ERA.  She reiterated                                                               
that FY21 was an extraordinary earning year.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman  asked  whether   the  FY21  numbers  could  be                                                              
attributed    to   real    estate   liquidation    or    portfolio                                                              
rebalancing.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mertz  stated  that  the  FY21 SNI  was  largely  related  to                                                              
gains realized in the public equity portfolio.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked about real estate.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mertz  noted  that  gains  in  FY  18  was  related  to  real                                                              
estate and realization in the private equity portfolio.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman   recognized   that  Senator   von   Imhof  had                                                              
joined the meeting.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:19:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mertz  showed  slide  13,  "Use  of  Fund  Earnings  -  as of                                                              
November 30, 2021":                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
      Paid out of ERA = $36.9 B                                                                                                 
      .notdefDividend Appropriations $24.4 B l 30.7 percent                                                                     
      .notdefPOMV Distributions to General Fund $12.6 B l 15.8                                                                  
      percent                                                                                                                   
      .notdefAlaska Capital Income  Amerada Hess $0.4 B l 1.0                                                                   
      percent                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
      Savings from ERA to Principal  = $30.3 B                                                                                  
      .notdefInflation Proofing $18.0 l 22.6 percent                                                                            
      .notdefSpecial Appropriations $12.3 l 15.5 percent                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
      Current Realized Earnings Balance = $12.3 B                                                                               
      .notdefFY23 POMV commitment $3.4 B l 4.2 percent                                                                          
      .notdefUncommitted Earnings $8.9 B l 11.2 percent                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
      Total Realized Earning = $79,561,200,000                                                                                  
      Paid out of ERA $36.9 billion                                                                                             
      Savings to Principal $30.3 billion                                                                                        
      Current Balance $12.3 billion                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:19:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  von  Imhof  recalled  that  the  statute  was  set  up so                                                              
that  in any  given  year  money could  be  paid  to the  dividend                                                              
and  to the  ERA,  to  be spent  by  the  legislature.  She  noted                                                              
that  the legislature   had chosen  not  to spend  out of  the ERA                                                              
until the POMV legislation in 2019.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mertz  asked  Senator  von Imhof  to restate  the question.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator  von   Imhof  noted  that  SNI  had  been  available   for                                                              
expending   by  the  legislature   since  the  inception   of  the                                                              
fund.  She  asked whether   the legislature   had  ever chosen  to                                                              
spend out of the ERA, before POMV in 2019.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mertz replied in the negative.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator  von  Imhof  asked  whether  there  would  be  nearly  $80                                                              
billion  in  total  realized  earnings   if  the legislature   had                                                              
chosen to spend from the ERA prior to POMV in 2019.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Mertz  acknowledged    that  the   fund   would  have   been                                                              
smaller and would have generated less realized earnings.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator  von  Imhof  asked  whether  Ms.  Mertz  had  ever  done a                                                              
thought  experiment   on what  the fund  would  look  like  if the                                                              
legislature had chosen to spend from the ERA pre-2019.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mertz  stated  that  APFC  had  not  done  the  analysis  and                                                              
was reluctant to do a backward-looking analysis.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator  von  Imhof  noted  that  Callan  had mentioned   compound                                                              
interest.   She  wanted  to  make  the  point  that  there  was  a                                                              
tremendous  amount  of  realized  earnings  in large  part  due to                                                              
the  legislature  not  exercising  its  right  to  take any  funds                                                              
from  the   account.  She   thought  Callan   had  conveyed   that                                                              
keeping  as  much money  in  the fund  as  possible,  for  as long                                                              
as possible, would grow the fund in the largest way.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:23:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  remarked  that  historically   the state  never                                                              
took   their   portion   of  the   fund   earnings,   but   rather                                                              
reinvested it into the fund.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:24:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Bishop  referenced  an  earlier  slide  that alluded  to                                                              
the  fund  as a  renewable  resource.   He asserted   that  it was                                                              
the  legislature's   goal  to ensure  that  the  fund  remained  a                                                              
renewable resource.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:25:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARCUS  FRAMPTON,  CHIEF  INVESTMENT  OFFICER,   ALASKA  PERMANENT                                                              
FUND  CORPORATION   (via  teleconference),    introduced   himself                                                              
and                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Frampton displayed slide 14, "Investment Management."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Frampton turned to slide 15, "Investment Oversight":                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
      Board of Trustees                                                                                                       
      As Fiduciaries of the Fund, Full Authority to Make                                                                        
      Investment and Management Decisions.                                                                                      
             Provide Authority to Invest Within Set Bands                                                                       
             Approve Target Asset Allocation                                                                                    
             Adopt Investment Policy                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
      Executive Director                                                                                                      
      Assures    Strategies    Adopted    by    the   Board    are                                                              
      Successfully Implemented.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
      Chief Investment Officer                                                                                                
      Makes Strategic and Tactical Allocations to Allow the                                                                     
      Fund to Grow in Value.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
      Portfolio Managers                                                                                                      
      Responsible for the Investment and Performance of Each                                                                    
      Asset Class                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:28:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Frampton considered slide 16, "Investment Department":                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
      Current Topics                                                                                                            
      ?Performance                                                                                                              
      ?Current Portfolio Positioning                                                                                            
      ?Personnel, open positions, and recruiting                                                                                
      ?Assessment of Internal vs External Management                                                                            
      ?Asset Allocation                                                                                                         
      ?Market Environment                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Frampton  noted that  the  most recent  performance   numbers                                                              
were  for  December  2021.  He  shared  that  January  had  seen a                                                              
decline  in  the  market  that  would  be addressed   in a  future                                                              
slide.   He   stated   that   there    were   currently   3   open                                                              
positions.   He relayed   that the  labor  market  was  tight  but                                                              
was no need for concern.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:32:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Wielechowski   asked   whether   there  were   full-time                                                              
APFC employees that lived outside the state.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Frampton  replied  that 3  investment  department   employees                                                              
worked  remotely   from  different   areas  of   the  country.  He                                                              
said   that   there   could   be   1   or  2   others   in   other                                                              
departments.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wielechowski   asked  whether   employing  out  of  state                                                              
was  a new  policy.  He  asked  whether  the  state  paid for  the                                                              
employees to travel to Alaska.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Frampton   affirmed    that  the   policy   was   new.   The                                                              
employees  were  required  to  return  every  quarter,  which  was                                                              
paid for by APCF.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:34:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman   asked   Ms.  Mertz   to   get  back   to  the                                                              
committee   with  detailed   information   on  the  out  of  state                                                              
employees.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:34:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Bishop  asked   whether  APFC   was  competitive   with                                                              
wages amongst its peers.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Frampton   explained   that   there  was  a  wide   range  of                                                              
compensation   for similar  corporations.   He  discussed  pension                                                              
plans    for    other    organizations.     He    believed    that                                                              
compensation was below average of competitors.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:36:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  von  Imhof  built  on  Senator  Wielechowski's   question                                                              
about  remote  working  and paying  for  employees  to travel  for                                                              
work.   She   discussed    the   various    circumstances    where                                                              
investment   managers  would  travel.   She  thought  that  having                                                              
an  investment   manager  in  New  York  was  beneficial   to  the                                                              
corporation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman   reiterated  his  desire   for  further  detail                                                              
on the work and cost of out of state employees.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:37:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wilson   asked  whether  the  increase   in  funding  for                                                              
staff   and  benefits   in   the  FY23   budget   would   help  to                                                              
increase staff retention.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Frampton   thought  such  increases   were  usually   helpful                                                              
and appreciated.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:38:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Frampton  skipped  over slide  17,  "A Portfolio  of  8 Asset                                                              
Classes."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Frampton   highlighted   slide   18,  "Asset   Allocation,"                                                               
which   showed   a  series   of   pie   charts   depicting   asset                                                              
allocation    in   different    years,   including    the   target                                                              
allocation   for   2022.   He   noted  that   the   slide   was  a                                                              
graphical  depiction   of  the  asset  classes  that  were  listed                                                              
on slide 17.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Frampton   continued   to  address   the  asset  allocations                                                               
listed  on  slide  18.  He  noted  that  the  investment   climate                                                              
had  changed  significantly  since  1980.  He noted  that  private                                                              
equity   was  the  one   asset  class   that  was  a   key  return                                                              
driver.  The  asset  allocations   included  bonus,  sticks,  real                                                              
estate,   private  equity,   absolute   return,  private   income,                                                              
risk parity, and cash.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:41:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman   asked  whether  Mr.  Frampton   had  a  similar                                                              
chart   where    showing   asset   allocations    were    invested                                                              
globally.  He  asked  when  the  authority  had  been  granted  by                                                              
the legislature.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  asked  Mr.  Frampton  to  include  information                                                               
in  his answer  to  address  large  international   companies  and                                                              
U.S. companies with international exposure.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Frampton  recalled  that during  his  tenure,  APFC's  equity                                                              
benchmark   had   been  the   All-Country   World   Index,   which                                                              
included   half   U.S.   stocks,   40   percent   internationally                                                               
developed,   and  10  percent   emerging   markets.   He  recalled                                                              
that  APFC  had added  international   stocks  at  least 20  years                                                              
previously,  and  perhaps  longer.  He  believed  that the  stocks                                                              
list  was expanded  to  include  alternative  stocks.  He  thought                                                              
the  list of  available  investments   had  been expanded   in the                                                              
early 2000s.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:44:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  asked  how  Mr.  Frampton  accounted  for  U.S.                                                              
stocks that were diversified across the world.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Frampton   agreed  that  globalization   of  U.S.   companies                                                              
had  been  an  expanding   trend.  He  summarized   that  the  big                                                              
U.S. stocks were global companies.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:45:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair    Bishop   asked    whether   any   of   APFC's    asset                                                              
allocations include exchange-traded gold funds.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Frampton answered in the affirmative.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:46:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Frampton   looked  at  slide  19,  "Total  Fund  Positioning                                                               
and  Performance,"   which  showed  three  bar  graphs   depicting                                                              
recent  fund   performance.   He  made  note  of  the  success  of                                                              
private   equity   in   2021.   He  discussed    the  numbers   as                                                              
defensive    positioning    and   the   desire   to   offset   the                                                              
overweight    private   equity   with   an   underweight    public                                                              
equity.   He  spoke   of  the  day-to-day    fluctuation   of  the                                                              
market.  He said  public  equities  were  performing  well  at the                                                              
moment.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman  commented   that   the  committee   paid  more                                                              
attention   to the  longer   term  than  what  was  happening  any                                                              
given  day  of the  week.  He  did not  want  to get  bogged  down                                                              
in the day to day of the federal reserve.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:49:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Frampton    advanced   to   slide   22,   "Current    Market                                                              
Environment,"   which  showed  a  bar  graph  and  a  line  graph.                                                              
The  bar  graph  on the  left  showed  the  U.S.  60/40  portfolio                                                              
10-year  annualized  returns  over  cash.  The line  graph  on the                                                              
right   illustrated    the  U.S.A   subsequent    10-year   equity                                                              
return,  and  the U.S.A.  expected  equity  return.  According  to                                                              
Bridgewater   Associates,   using   a  valuation-based    expected                                                              
return  approach,  the  10-year  outlook  for nominal  returns  on                                                              
U.S. equities was 5 percent.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman   thought  it  was   clear  that   the  returns                                                              
would be in the 5 to 6 percent range moving forward.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:52:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  von  Imhof  asked  about  volatility  and  whether  there                                                              
was  any prediction   of any  big highs  or  big lows  or  was the                                                              
outlook steady  give or take a percentage point.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Frampton  expected  volatility.   He said  that  markets  did                                                              
not typically move in a straight line.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator   von  Imhof   thought   that  the   expected  volatility                                                               
indicated  that  the  ERA  would  fluctuate.  She  commented  that                                                              
the  five-year   lookback  of  the  value  of  the  fund  provided                                                              
more stability for the POMV.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman    considered   that   the   idea   should   be                                                              
discussed further.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:54:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Frampton     spoke   to    slide   23,    "Current    Market                                                              
Environment,"    which  showed   Callen's   projections    of  the                                                              
equity markets going forward.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:54:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Frampton referenced slide 24, "Risk Management":                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
      APFC is  in  the  business  of taking   risks.  APFC  has to                                                              
   take risks in order to achieve its return objectives.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
      The goal  of  risk management   is not  to avoid  risks,  it                                                              
      is to:                                                                                                                    
        • know and understand the risks taken,                                                                                  
      • measure, monitor and report these risks, and                                                                            
        • Manage risks to acceptable levels, and review                                                                         
           whether returns are commensurate                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
      Risk  appetite  is  a  broad   based  articulation   of  the                                                              
      Corporation's   thresholds,   in   terms  of  risks   it  is                                                              
      willing  to take,   in pursuit  of  its  objectives.    Risk                                                              
      Appetite  is defined   in terms  of  a reference   portfolio                                                              
      - 'Risk Tolerance Portfolio'  (RTP).                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
      The key  measures  of risk  include:  Value  at Risk  (VaR),                                                              
      Tracking  Error   (TE),  Liquidity,   Concentrations,   Tail                                                              
      Risk & Stress Analysis                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Frampton   thought  the  committee   was  probably  aware  of                                                              
the  inverse  relationship   between  risk  and time  horizon.  He                                                              
stressed that risk was important to earn returns.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:56:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Wielechowski    asked   whether   Mr.   Frampton   could                                                              
discuss  the  chain  of  command   at APFC.   He understood   that                                                              
Callan  made  recommendations,   after  which  the  board  set the                                                              
general  asset  allocation,   and  then the  investment   officers                                                              
handled    the   day-to-day    investments,    which    could   be                                                              
overturned by the chief executive officer.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Frampton   stated   Senator   Wielechowski    was   "broadly                                                              
correct."   He   said   that  he   reported   to   the   executive                                                              
director   and  that  Senator  Wielechowskis     characterization                                                               
of  the   asset  allocation   and  how   policies   were  set  was                                                              
correct.  He  thought  before his  tenure  there  had been  a lack                                                              
of clarity between the chief executive officer and the                                                                          
executive   director  concerning   investment   decision   making.                                                              
He  said  that  what  changed  when  he  came  into  his  position                                                              
was  the  formalization   of  the  investment   committee,   which                                                              
made   all  the  investment    decisions.   He  shared   that  any                                                              
disagreements   on  investment  decision   between  the  committee                                                              
and the executive director were brought before the board.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:59:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wielechowski   asked  whether  board  members  ever  came                                                              
to  people   in   the  investment    committee   with  investment                                                               
proposals.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Frampton  stated  that  the  scenario  described  by  Senator                                                              
Wielechowski had never occurred.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Wielechowski   understood  that   the  prior  CEO  never                                                              
overturned decisions made on a day-to-day basis.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Frampton agreed.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:00:03 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator   von   Imhof   commended    the   establishing   of   the                                                              
investment   committee.  She  thought  that  the  system  provided                                                              
for  meaningful  checks  and balances.   She asked  whose  idea it                                                              
had  been   to  create   the  Alaska   Investment   Program   with                                                              
McKinley Capital Management LLC and Barings LLC.                                                                                
Mr.  Frampton   explained  that  the  program   was  created  with                                                              
direction  from  the  board.  He  furthered   that  the  execution                                                              
of the  program,  the  hiring of  the two  LLCs,  was done  at the                                                              
staff level.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  von  Imhof confirmed   that the  policy  for investments                                                               
were  at the  board level,  and  the decisions   were as  granular                                                              
as which state, or which fund, or sector oriented.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Frampton   replied  that   in  the  regular  private   equity                                                              
program  there   was  an  asset  allocation   target  and  once  a                                                              
year  the  staff  reviewed  with  the  board  how  much  would  be                                                              
invested  in  private  equity,  without  discussion   of  specific                                                              
types   of  managers   or  geography.   He   explained   that  the                                                              
Alaska  Investment  Program  was  unique  because  there  had been                                                              
a board  resolution  directing   staff to  form  a new investment                                                               
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:02:55 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wilson   added  to  Senator  von  Imhof's   question.  He                                                              
asked  whether  the committee  could  get  an update  on  the $200                                                              
million   that  had  been  invested   by  the  Alaska  Investment                                                               
Program through McKinley Capital Management LLC.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  had  previously   asked  Ms. Mertz  to  prepare                                                              
a response document pertaining to the question.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mertz  relayed  that  APFC  disclosed   certain  information                                                               
about   the  in-state   program   in   the  monthly   performance                                                               
report,  such  as  performance  information   and  current  market                                                              
values    for    the   program.    She    specified    that    the                                                              
confidentiality    requirements   in  the  agreements    precluded                                                              
disclosing   more detailed   information,  as  well  as  statutory                                                              
restraints  meant  to  protect  confidentiality.   She emphasized                                                               
that  APFC   was  aware   of  the  sensitivity   surrounding   the                                                              
issue  and  the  need  for information   by  the  legislature  and                                                              
other parties.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman  encouraged   the  two  firms  to  disclose  as                                                              
much information as possible.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:06:02 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Wielechowski   asked  whether  Ms.  Mertz   thought  the                                                              
in-state  investment  program  was  a good  idea,  or whether  the                                                              
drawbacks outweighed the benefits.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mertz  was  not  comfortable   giving   her  opinion  on  the                                                              
matter.  She  thought  the  program  was  created  in  a way  that                                                              
allowed   staff  to  be  independent   of  investment  decisions.                                                               
She   believed   that   the  board   resolution    directing   the                                                              
program  was  designed  to  support  the  statute  in  place  that                                                              
encouraged the corporation to invest in Alaska.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman    asked   Ms.  Mertz    to  follow   up   with                                                              
additional information.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:08:01 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator    Wielechowski    understood    that   the    board   had                                                              
recommended    up   to   5   percent   allocation    to   in-state                                                              
investments,   to $4 billion.   He queried  the  thinking  on that                                                              
practice from an investment perspective.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  asked  Mr. Frampton   to address  the  question                                                              
and  asked  for   the  question  to   be  added  to  the  list  of                                                              
formal written responses to the committee.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Frampton  stated  that one  of the  goals of  the investment                                                               
policy  was to  prioritize  Alaskan  investments.   He noted  that                                                              
there   were    many   qualitative    things    that   went   into                                                              
investments.    He   thought    there    were   good   investment                                                               
opportunities   in  the state  but  that  they  were  limited.  He                                                              
addressed   the  target   of  5  percent   mentioned   by  Senator                                                              
Wielechowski   and stated  that  it  had no   compliant  teeth  to                                                              
it, and he considered the target to be aspirational.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:10:57 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  reiterated   that he  wanted  more information                                                               
provided   in   written   response.   He   referenced    committee                                                              
discussion  a  few  years previously   that  Alaska  was so  small                                                              
that  the  absorption   rate  could  be  high.  He  noted  that  a                                                              
presentation   was  forthcoming   on  the  matter   and  the  fact                                                              
that  the  Permanent  Fund  was  the largest   in the  world  when                                                              
considering the states population.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:12:04 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman   asked  how  management   fees  for  the  Alaska                                                              
portion   of  the  portfolio   compare  to  other  fund   managers                                                              
outside Alaska.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Frampton   stated  that  the  in-state  fees   were  industry                                                              
standard.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman requested more detail.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Frampton  stated  there  was a  management  fee,  as  well as                                                              
an  incentive   fee  over  a  hurdle;   an  equity-like   rate  of                                                              
return   needed  to   be  earned   before   incentive   fees  were                                                              
provided.   There  was  a  base  fee  on  the  assets   that  were                                                              
committed.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:13:11 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wielechowski   asked whether  Callan  had  an opinion  on                                                              
the  Alaska  Investment  Program.  He  asked  whether  the  Alaska                                                              
investment  program  complied  with  the Prudent  Investor  Rule.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Frampton  shared   that  he  had spoken   with  Callen  about                                                              
the  in-state  program.  He said  that  from an  asset allocation                                                               
standpoint   the   program   was   within   the   private   equity                                                              
allocation.   He thought  that  Callan  would  consider  that  the                                                              
program was well designed.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Wielechowski   reiterated   the  question   relating  to                                                              
the programs compliance to the Prudent Investor Rule.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Frampton replied in the affirmative.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mertz answered in the affirmative.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman   asked   for   Ms.   Mertz   to  include   any                                                              
information  pertaining   to discussions   on the  matter  between                                                              
Callan and the board.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wielechowski   asked  whether  APFC  was subject   to the                                                              
Federal   Trade   Commission    (FTC)   oversight    for   insider                                                              
trading activity.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Frampton  answered  in the  affirmative.  He  said that  APFC                                                              
did  not  get   annual  exams   for  FTC  or  have  a  regulatory                                                               
relationship with FTC.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman   asked  Ms.  Mertz  to  address  front-running                                                               
and   insider   trading   in   her   written   response    to  the                                                              
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:17:59 AM                                                                                                                   
Senator  von  Imhof  asked  for APFC  to  provide  the resolution                                                               
from  2018  that  established   the  Alaska  Investment   Program.                                                              
She   asked   for    any   meeting   minutes    on   the   ensuing                                                              
discussion.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman   asked   Mr.   Frampton   to   summarize   the                                                              
remaining slides.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:19:07 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mertz  advanced  to  slide  31, "Distribution   Calculations                                                               
-subject  to  appropriation,"   which  showed   two tables   and a                                                              
bar   graph.   She  discussed    the   Statutory   Dividend   Fund                                                              
Transfer  Calculation   and  POMV  Calculation  reflected   on the                                                              
slide.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:20:07 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mertz showed slide 32, "Return & POMV Draw":                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
      .notdef POMV Draw AS 37.13.140 (b) Average                                                                                
      market value of the Fund for the first five                                                                               
      of the preceding six fiscal years                                                                                         
      .notdef 5.25% FY19-FY21/ 5.0% FY22                                                                                        
      .notdef Based on market value, rather than                                                                                
      realized income                                                                                                           
      .notdef Subject to annual appropriation                                                                                   
      .notdef Predictable  Stable                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mertz highlighted   that because  of  the timing  lag  in the                                                              
calculation,   the  effective  rate  of  the POMV  draw  could  be                                                              
calculated  well  in advance  of  the budget  process.  She  noted                                                              
that  the blue  and green  lines  on the  chart  showed the  total                                                              
return of the fund.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:21:20 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mertz turned to slide 33, "Resolutions":                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
      00-13, 03-05, 04-09: Constitutionalize Annual Fund                                                                        
    Draw. Limit the annual Fund payout to not more than                                                                         
      a 5% POMV averaged over a period of 5 years. Assures                                                                      
      permanent inflation proofing.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
      17-01: Identify and pursue legislation or legislative                                                                     
      support for some form of inflation-proofing that will                                                                     
      preserve  the  purchasing  power  of  the principal   of the                                                              
      permanent fund for all generations.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
      18-01:  Supporting   a  Rules   Based  Legal  Framework   to                                                              
      govern Fund  inflows,  outflows,   and internal  transfers.                                                               
      A  holistic   framework    rationalized    by  policymakers                                                               
      regarding   the  rules   for   savings,   withdrawals,   and                                                              
      growing  the   real  value   of  the   Fund  results   in  a                                                              
      consistent  approach  to  transfers  and  sustainability  of                                                              
      the Fund over the long-term.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
      18-04:    Affirming    the    importance     of    formulaic                                                              
      management  of  transfers   into  and  out  of  the  ERA  to                                                              
      ensure  sustainability    and   long-term   growth   of  the                                                              
      Fund, by  identifying  four  key  principles:  Adherence  to                                                              
      Rules,  Ensuring    Sustainability,   Automatic    Inflation                                                              
      Proofing, Promoting Real Growth.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
      20-01:  Additional  measures   to enhance   the sustainable                                                               
      use  of the  Fund   include  restructuring   the  Fund  from                                                              
      its' current  two  account  system  into  a  single  Fund as                                                              
      well as periodic review of Fund Return                                                                                    
      Assumption and ERA Balance Buffer (4X Buffer).                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:22:13 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mertz showed slide 34, "Trustees' Paper Volume 9":                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
      Successful  SWFs   operate  within   a  rules-based   system                                                              
      that allows   them  to perform   a combination   of  saving,                                                              
      stabilization, and income-generation functions.                                                                           
      This  paper  proposes   a  number   of  reforms   that  will                                                              
      strengthen    the   stability    and    sustainability    of                                                              
      Alaska's Permanent Fund:                                                                                                  
      LESSON #1: MISSION CLARITY                                                                                                
      LESSON #2: THE IMPORTANCE OF RULES                                                                                        
      LESSON #3: SUCCESSFUL ENFORCEMENT OF SAVING RULES                                                                         
      LESSON #4: DESIGNING A POMV SPENDING RULE                                                                                 
      LESSON #5: REFORMING THE ERA                                                                                              
      https://apfc.org/report-archive/#14-33-trustees-papers                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mertz  explained  that  the  paper  compared   the  structure                                                              
of  the   Permanent   Fund  to   other  sovereign   wealth   funds                                                              
around  the  world.  She  relayed  that  that  the  paper  covered                                                              
successes   and failures,   the  importance   of mission   clarity                                                              
and  a rules-based  framework,   and an  effective  construct  for                                                              
the POMV draw.                                                                                                                  
Ms. Mertz showed slide 36, "www.apfc.org," which showed a                                                                       
graphic of APFC's website. She commented that she would                                                                         
provide all the information requested by the committee.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman discussed housekeeping.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
10:24:50 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 10:24 a.m.                                                                                         

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