Legislature(2013 - 2014)SENATE FINANCE 532

02/13/2014 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE


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09:07:50 AM Start
09:09:23 AM Alaska Public Debt Report: Department of Revenue
09:57:44 AM Interior Energy Projects and Sets Programs Update: Alaska Industrial Development and Export Authority
10:36:46 AM Adjourn
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Deven Mitchell, State Investment Officer, Debt
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+ Alaska Industrial Development and Export TELECONFERENCED
Authority AIDEA: Interior Energy Projects and
SETS Programs Update
Mark Davis, Deputy Director, Infrastructure
Development
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                  SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                      
                      February 13, 2014                                                                                         
                          9:07 a.m.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:07:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer called  the Senate  Finance Committee  meeting                                                                  
to order at 9:07 a.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Pete Kelly, Co-Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Kevin Meyer, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                            
Senator Mike Dunleavy                                                                                                           
Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                           
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Anna Fairclough, Vice-Chair                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Deven  Mitchell, State  Investment Officer,  Debt  Management,                                                                  
Department    of   Revenue;    Michael    Pawlowski,    Deputy                                                                  
Commissioner,   Strategic  Finance,  Department   of  Revenue;                                                                  
Mark  Davis,   Deputy   Director-Infrastructure   Development,                                                                  
Alaska  Industrial   Development  Export  Authority   (AIDEA);                                                                  
Gene    Therriault,    Deputy    Director,    Energy    Policy                                                                  
Development,  Department of Commerce,  Community and  Economic                                                                  
Development.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ALASKA PUBLIC DEBT REPORT: DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
INTERIOR  ENERGY PROJECTS  AND  SETS PROGRAMS  UPDATE:  ALASKA                                                                  
INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND EXPORT AUTHORITY                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
^ALASKA PUBLIC DEBT REPORT: DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:09:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DEVEN  MITCHELL, STATE  INVESTMENT OFFICER,  DEBT  MANAGEMENT,                                                                  
DEPARTMENT  OF   REVENUE,  spoke  to  a  presentation   titled                                                                  
"Alaska  Public  Debt Report:  A  Presentation  to the  Senate                                                                  
Finance Committee" dated February 13, 2014 (copy on file).                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell  cited slide  4 titled, "$6.6  to 8.1 Billion  in                                                                  
Outstanding  State Debt  1999-2014 Summarized  by category  in                                                                  
millions."  He related  that the  slide  depicted the  state's                                                                  
historical  progression   of  obligations  over  the  last  15                                                                  
years.  In 1999  the state's  outstanding  general  obligation                                                                  
debt  was  2.4  million.  Prior  to  1999,  the  state  issued                                                                  
general  obligation   debt  in   1987  and  1981.   The  total                                                                  
outstanding  debt  in  2014  was  $840.2   million  with  debt                                                                  
authorizations  in 2002,  2008, 2010, and  2012 primarily  for                                                                  
transportation   and  education  needs  (an  additional   $303                                                                  
million was authorized but remained unissued).                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dunleavy  inquired  whether the  $840.2  million  was                                                                  
the total amount of outstanding general obligation debt.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell  replied that the  $840.2 million was  the amount                                                                  
currently  outstanding; however  $453  million was  authorized                                                                  
in 2012 and $303 million of the amount was unissued.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dunleavy  inquired what  the  total amount  with  the                                                                  
future "encumbrance" was.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mitchell  replied  that  if  the   remainder  was  issued                                                                  
tomorrow   the   total   amount  of   outstanding   debt   was                                                                  
approximately $1.1 billion.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell  continued  to speak  to slide  4. He noted  that                                                                  
the  State Supported  category  of  debt included  leases  and                                                                  
school  debt  reimbursement.  School  debt  reimbursement  was                                                                  
the  largest  component  of  the  category,  which  grew  from                                                                  
approximately  $400  million  in 1999  to  approximately  $900                                                                  
million  in 2014[category  total  in  1999 was  459.1  million                                                                  
and in  2014 was $1.195  billion]. He  reminded the  committee                                                                  
that school  debt reimbursement  was the portion of  municipal                                                                  
debt that  was issued through  a municipal general  obligation                                                                  
bond,  which obligated  the  state to  pay back.  In 1999  and                                                                  
several  subsequent  years,  the  state  issued  debt  through                                                                  
Alaska    Housing    Finance    Corporation     (AHFC),    and                                                                  
municipalities,  i.e.,  Anchorage  and the  Matanuska  Susitna                                                                  
Borough.   In    addition,   the   state's   certificate    of                                                                  
participation  program  was  diminished;  therefore  the  debt                                                                  
was not directly controlled by the state.                                                                                       
Mr.  Mitchell spoke  to  the State  Guaranteed  debt  category                                                                  
that reflected  the Veteran's  Mortgage Program. He  expounded                                                                  
that the  program was  flat due to  the competitive nature  of                                                                  
the  mortgage  market.  [Category   total  in  1999  was  $391                                                                  
million  and in  2014 was  383.9 million.]  He referenced  the                                                                  
State  Moral  Obligation  debt  category   that  included  the                                                                  
Alaska Municipal  Bond Bank  Authority (AMBBA), Alaska  Energy                                                                  
Authority  (AEA)  and  the  Alaska  Student  Loan  Corporation                                                                  
(ASLC).  [The total  in 1999 was  $763.1 million  and in  2014                                                                  
was  $1,200.7  billion.]  The  growth   in  the  category  was                                                                  
primarily due  to AMBBA. He turned  to the State Revenue  debt                                                                  
category  that was  $210 million  in 1999  and $595.7  million                                                                  
in  2014.   He  reported  that   the  category  included   the                                                                  
Anchorage  Airport  terminal  "C"  reconstruction,   Fairbanks                                                                  
terminal  project,  and  sport  fishing  hatchery  bonds.  The                                                                  
University debt  category grew from  $85.7 million in  1999 to                                                                  
$190.5 million in 2014.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly inquired  whether all of  the university  debt                                                                  
was in revenue bonds.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mitchell  responded  that  revenue  bonds  reflected  the                                                                  
majority  of the debt  with a  portion of  the debt for  lease                                                                  
obligations.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Mitchell  addressed  the  State  Agency  Debt  category,                                                                  
which  was  $767.5  million  in 1999  and  $543.3  million  in                                                                  
2014.  He   noted  that  state   agency  debt  was   primarily                                                                  
comprised  of   AHFC,  and  Northern  Tobacco   Securitization                                                                  
Corporation  (NTSC) and had decreased.  He moved to  the State                                                                  
Agency   Collateralized  debt   category   that  amounted   to                                                                  
$1.983.8  billion  in  1999  and  $2.312.2  billion  in  2014,                                                                  
which was  comprised of debt  from AHFC and Alaska  Industrial                                                                  
Development  and Export Authority  (AIDEA). He qualified  that                                                                  
the  portion   of  AIDEA   debt  was   relatively  small.   He                                                                  
highlighted  that the  Municipal  debt category  was  $2.303.4                                                                  
billion in  1999 and $3.150.6  billion in 2014. He  reiterated                                                                  
that  the  growth  in  municipal  debt   corresponded  to  the                                                                  
growth in  AMBBA [Bond  Bank] debt, which  was the same  debt.                                                                  
The bond bank borrowed on behalf of municipalities.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell moved to slide 5:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Financial Management and Debt Metrics                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Current Debt service costs remain below 5% of General                                                                      
     Fund unrestricted revenues                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          In    2013,   a   $35    million   Certificate    of                                                                  
          Participation  authorization  to fund a  residential                                                                  
          housing  facility colocated  with the Alaska  Native                                                                  
          Medical Hospital                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          The State is expected to benefit from higher use                                                                      
          of the ANMC and reduced Medicare copayments                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
          The School Debt Reimbursement Program continues                                                                       
          to grow with open ended authorization                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mitchell  directed  the  committee's   attention  to  the                                                                  
slide's  graphs related  to debt  service. He  pointed to  the                                                                  
graph  in  the lower  left  titled,  "Historical  Total  State                                                                  
Debt Service  (G.O. and  State Supported)  as a Percentage  of                                                                  
Unrestricted    Revenues"    that   depicted    a   high    of                                                                  
approximately  2 percent  in 2005 to  a low  of .5 percent  in                                                                  
2008.  He  observed   that  the  fluctuations   correlated  to                                                                  
differentiation  in the  state's  revenues. He  turned to  the                                                                  
graph  in  the upper  right  titled,  " Projected  State  Debt                                                                  
Service  (G.O. Plus State  Supported compared  to G.O.,  State                                                                  
Supported,  & School Debt  Reimbursement)  as a Percentage  of                                                                  
Unrestricted  Revenues FY20142023."  He  noted that the  level                                                                  
of  debt was  projected  at  almost 5  percent  in  2016 as  a                                                                  
percentage  of  unrestricted  revenues.  The  projections  did                                                                  
not   include   increases   in  school   debt   borrowing   or                                                                  
additional authorizations for general obligation bonds.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly wondered what a healthy level of debt was.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mitchell  replied  that  8  percent   was  the  plausible                                                                  
"upper  threshold"  in order  for the  state  to maintain  its                                                                  
rating category.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:18:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell  continued to speak  to slide 5 and directed  the                                                                  
committee's  attention  to the  lower  right hand  portion  of                                                                  
the  slide  titled,   "Projected  Total  State   Debt  Service                                                                  
(G.O.,  State Supported,  and  School  Debt Reimbursement)and                                                                   
Unrestricted  Revenues FY20132022  ($ millions)."  He detailed                                                                  
that  the green  line depicted  general  obligation and  state                                                                  
supported  debt  service in  actual  dollars,  which was  $230                                                                  
million annually,  remained flat  and decreased through  2023.                                                                  
A blue  line depicted  the debt as  unrestricted general  fund                                                                  
revenue forecasted from the "Revenue Sources Book."                                                                             
Mr. Mitchell discussed slide 6:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Financial Management and Debt Metrics                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     G.O. debt service is low, especially when compared to                                                                      
     unrestricted revenues                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          On November 6, 2012, the 2012 $453 million                                                                            
          Transportation G.O. bond authorization was                                                                            
          passed by voters                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          $149.6 million of Bond anticipation Notes                                                                             
          sold in March 2013                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
          Balance of Authorization is projected to be                                                                           
          sold over the next 18 months                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell  related that he  recently received updated  cash                                                                  
flow information  and that  the balance  of the  authorization                                                                  
was projected  to be sold over  the next 36 months  as opposed                                                                  
to the  next 18  months. The  figure reflected  debt for  road                                                                  
projects,  which were  long lasting  projects.  He pointed  to                                                                  
the  graph on  the lower  left  titled, "  General  Obligation                                                                  
Outstanding  Debt  Service  before   Anticipated  Issuance  of                                                                  
2012  Authorization ($  millions)  and stated  that the  slide                                                                  
revealed  that the debt  service was  at its  peak in 2014  at                                                                  
approximately  $80 million  and  decreased  through 2034.  The                                                                  
decrease reflected "the maturity of the debt program."                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly  inquired  whether   the  graph  depicted  the                                                                  
"amortization  path"  if the  state  did  not issue  any  more                                                                  
bonds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell  replied in  the affirmative.  He qualified  that                                                                  
the state  had "federally  enhanced obligations"  due  in 2038                                                                  
called,  "Qualified  School  Bonds" that  were  structured  as                                                                  
tax credits.  The department placed  the debt far down  on the                                                                  
yield  curve because  the state  was paying  zero interest  on                                                                  
the  debt due  to receipt  of  the tax  credits  and were  not                                                                  
included in the graph.                                                                                                          
Mr. Mitchell  moved  to the graph  in the  upper right  corner                                                                  
titled,    "Total   General    Obligation    Debt    Currently                                                                  
Outstanding  or Authorized ($ millions)"  that peaked  in 2015                                                                  
to approximately  $1 billion and  decreased each year  through                                                                  
2036.  He turned  to the lower  right  graph titled,"  General                                                                  
Obligation  Outstanding Debt  Service  after Projected  Series                                                                  
2014A  and 2015A  Issuances  ($  millions)" that  showed  "the                                                                  
potential structure  of layered  level debt service on  top of                                                                  
the  existing amortization  of  debt."  He reported  that  the                                                                  
state  was  projected  to pay  approximately  $95  million  in                                                                  
annual debt service with issuances.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly   inquired  why  the  lower  left   graph  was                                                                  
different from the upper right hand graph.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell  responded  that the lower  left graph  reflected                                                                  
the actual  dollars  spent on  debt service.  The upper  right                                                                  
reflected  outstanding  balances in  the  particular point  in                                                                  
time on the graph.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly requested further clarification.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mitchell explained  that one  graph  reflected an  annual                                                                  
payment  amount   and  the  other  reflected   an  outstanding                                                                  
balance.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell moved to slide 7:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Financial Management and Debt Metrics                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The State has a long track record of conservative debt                                                                     
     practices                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
          G.O. bonds carry pledge of full faith, credit and                                                                     
          resources of the State                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                - State policy limits debt service to less                                                                      
                than 8% of General Fund unrestricted revenue                                                                    
                -   Debt   service   as   a    percentage   of                                                                  
                unrestricted General Fund revenues has                                                                          
                remained low for 15 years                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                FY2013 was 1.7% (3.3% including school debt                                                                     
                reimbursements)                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          Use of executive power to control expenses                                                                            
          Historical Preference for utilizing paygo funding                                                                     
          versus debt                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
          Future borrowing:                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                -   2012   G.O.   Authorization    for   State                                                                  
                transportation projects (up to $453 million)                                                                    
                - Issued $149.6 million Bond Anticipation                                                                       
                Note in March 2013                                                                                              
                - Anticipate issuing up to $230 million Bond                                                                    
                Anticipation Note in March 2014 and $35                                                                         
                million                                                                                                         
                Certificate of Participation in April 2014                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          State financial support has been discussed for a                                                                      
           number of strategic capital initiatives                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          Every $100 million borrowed costs $7 to 9 million                                                                     
          in debt service over 20 years (36% range)                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mitchell pointed  out that  the rating  agencies  favored                                                                  
the state's  prudent borrowing  approach of "belt  tightening"                                                                  
when  Alaska's  "volatile"  revenue stream  had  declined.  He                                                                  
offered  that the  $149.6 million  bond issuance  in 2013  had                                                                  
an interest  rate of  9 basis  points or  .09 percent and  was                                                                  
"extraordinarily low."                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly directed  the  committee's  attention back  to                                                                  
slide  6  and   noted  that  the  debt  service   for  capital                                                                  
projects was  reflected in the  operating budget.  He believed                                                                  
that  the debt  service  should be  reflected  in the  capital                                                                  
budget  every  year or  else  money  was  being spent  on  new                                                                  
projects  in the  capital  budget that  could  be utilized  to                                                                  
pay off  bonds. He felt  that "headroom  was being created  in                                                                  
the capital  budget"  that otherwise  would not  exist if  the                                                                  
bond   indebtedness  from   past  capital   expenditures   was                                                                  
reflected  in the capital  budget. He  added that the  capital                                                                  
budget was  larger than it appeared  because the debt  service                                                                  
on previously bonded capital projects was not included.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:30:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bishop inquired  whether  the Department  of  Revenue                                                                  
(DOR)  had  looked  at  the  impacts  on  the  state's  credit                                                                  
rating  regarding  having  an  equity  share  in  the  AK  LNG                                                                  
project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL  PAWLOWSKI, DEPUTY  COMMISSIONER,  STRATEGIC  FINANCE,                                                                  
DEPARTMENT  OF  REVENUE,  replied  that  in  relation  to  the                                                                  
state's  credit rating,  the potential  for financing  a major                                                                  
gas  pipeline  was very  far  into the  future  and  currently                                                                  
"unsettled."   He  stated   that  DOR   had  examined   issues                                                                  
regarding  the debt  capacity  of the  state.  He voiced  that                                                                  
the  obligation of  the state,  assuming  a 20  to 25  percent                                                                  
share  of  a  $45  billion  to  $65  billion  project  exerted                                                                  
pressure  on the  state's debt  capacity,  which affected  the                                                                  
capacity  for   other  state  needs.   He  relayed   that  the                                                                  
commissioner  was  concerned  about the  level  of  commitment                                                                  
the state could make in the out years.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson inquired  what the difference  was between  the                                                                  
percentage  of interest the  state was  earning from  money in                                                                  
the  bank  versus  the debt  service  on  bonding  to  finance                                                                  
projects.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mitchell  inquired  whether  he  was  referring  to  "the                                                                  
opportunity  costs over  time of  spending  the state's  money                                                                  
for projects instead of borrowing other people's money."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson answered in the affirmative.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell  stated that  the long-term  cost of issuing  20-                                                                  
year  debt  was close  to  3  percent  on a  tax  exempt  bond                                                                  
issue.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson wondered  what the  state  was earning  through                                                                  
savings.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mitchell   responded  that  it  depended   on  what  fund                                                                  
accounts   he  was   referring   to.  He   relayed  that   the                                                                  
Constitutional  Budget Reserve  Fund (CBRF)  earned 7  percent                                                                  
last year.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly  clarified  that  currently,  when  the  state                                                                  
bonded  it  paid approximately   3 percent  and  the  interest                                                                  
earned on the CBRF was about 7 percent.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell responded in the affirmative.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson  discerned  that it  made  more sense  for  the                                                                  
state  to bond  even though  it  increased  public debt  since                                                                  
the  state was  earning  4 percent  more  in interest  on  its                                                                  
savings. He asked whether his hypothesis was correct.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pawlowski  replied that  the question  was a good  opening                                                                  
for discussions  on the  issue and "the  degree to which  that                                                                  
[conclusion]  made sense."  He  would provide  information  to                                                                  
the committee  on the  exact earnings  and indebtedness  costs                                                                  
following the meeting.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly  drew a  parallel  to his  previous  comments.                                                                  
He  recalled that  in 2002,  the state  had  bonded for  about                                                                  
$226  million  in  capital  budget  projects.  The  state  was                                                                  
still  currently repaying  for the  2002  bonds. However,  the                                                                  
bond   indebtedness   expense  was   not   accounted  for   in                                                                  
subsequent  capital  budgets. He  maintained  that  subsequent                                                                  
capital  budgets  grew  or  shrunk  irrespective  of  previous                                                                  
bonding  for   projects  because   the  payments  for   bonded                                                                  
indebtedness  were not recognized  in the capital  budgets. He                                                                  
reiterated  that   the  situation  resulted  in   the  capital                                                                  
budget  having "headroom  that  wasn't legitimate."  He  noted                                                                  
that  when the  state  bonded  for less  than  interest  rates                                                                  
earned   for  savings   it  made   sense,   however,  if   the                                                                  
indebtedness   expense  was   never   recognized  the   budget                                                                  
continued  to grow. He  summarized that  when you bond  in the                                                                  
capital  budget   the  expense   was  accounted  for   in  the                                                                  
operating  budget but the  mounting debt  was inescapable.  He                                                                  
wanted discussions  about  moving the debt  into that  capital                                                                  
budget.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer surmised  that bonding  made sense when  there                                                                  
was a  huge surplus  in the  CBR or  Statutory Budget  Reserve                                                                  
(SBR)  that was  earning  6 percent  and  it was  possible  to                                                                  
bond at  3 percent. He  expressed concern  that the state  was                                                                  
in deficit  spending  and the  state's savings  were going  to                                                                  
be spent  to fund  general operating  expenses. He  questioned                                                                  
whether  the  state   should  take  on  additional   debt.  He                                                                  
cautioned that  the state was in  a situation where  it had to                                                                  
watch  its   indebtedness  because   it  did  not   know  what                                                                  
revenues  would  be in  the future.  He  expressed  additional                                                                  
concerns  regarding school  construction debt  and noted  that                                                                  
the  state  did  not  have  control   over  the  process.  The                                                                  
municipalities  voted  for  school  bonds and  the  state  was                                                                  
responsible for 70 percent of the debt.                                                                                         
Mr.  Pawlowski replied  that discussions  focused  on who  was                                                                  
issuing  the  debt  was important.   He relayed  that  if  the                                                                  
local  government had  a lower  credit rating  then the  state                                                                  
"there  might  be inefficiencies   in actual  issuing  of  the                                                                  
school bond  debt as  opposed to the  issuance coming  through                                                                  
the state."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:41:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Mitchell   added   that  he   had   conversations   with                                                                  
Commissioner  Rodell  about  school   debt  reimbursement.  He                                                                  
shared that  the program limited  the ability of the  state to                                                                  
control its  obligation on school  debt. The bond  structuring                                                                  
on  school  municipal  bonds  were  determined  by  the  local                                                                  
municipalities   and  did  not  necessarily  conform   to  the                                                                  
state's best interest.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer observed  that some  concerns  were raised  by                                                                  
the  rating agencies  regarding  the state's  bond rating  due                                                                  
to  the  amount  of the  state's  unfunded  liability  at  $12                                                                  
billion.  He noted that  the state included  medical  costs in                                                                  
its  unfunded   liability.  He  wondered  whether   the  state                                                                  
received  any  credit  from rating  agencies  for  ending  its                                                                  
defined  benefit program,  which  would eventually  solve  the                                                                  
unfunded liability problem.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell  replied  that historically  rating analysts  did                                                                  
not  consider  unfunded  liabilities  but was  no  longer  the                                                                  
case. Rating  analysts  consider unfunded  liabilities in  its                                                                  
rating criteria  and expected the  state to pay to  its "arc."                                                                  
He related  that the state  did get  credit for adjusting  the                                                                  
retirement  system away  from defined  benefits. He  commented                                                                  
that  there  were no  hard  and fast  rules  regarding  rating                                                                  
discussions  because  Alaska  was much  different  than  other                                                                  
states  that  operated  from  a  "relatively   stable  revenue                                                                  
stream." The  state relied on  a volatile revenue  stream from                                                                  
resource  extraction. The  state garnered  the highest  rating                                                                  
category because  of the conservative  spending nature  of the                                                                  
legislature  and the reserve position  of the state.  He noted                                                                  
that  Alaska was  a conservative  state  and  even though  the                                                                  
state  was now  experiencing  deficit  spending  it was  still                                                                  
building  reserves,  which was  why Alaska  was  an AAA  rated                                                                  
state. He  revealed that although  the AAA rating was  a great                                                                  
accomplishment,   the  state   could   still  access   capital                                                                  
markets  if it  took action  that caused  a credit  adjustment                                                                  
in order  to accomplish a goal  the state deemed important  or                                                                  
in the long term best interest of the state.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly noted  that was  the first  time he had  heard                                                                  
that  point of  view regarding  the  state's  bond rating.  He                                                                  
voiced  that if  an action  was  being considered  that  might                                                                  
affect the  state's bond rating  it was automatically  off the                                                                  
table.  He suggested  that the  state could  undertake a  cost                                                                  
benefit analysis.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Meyer    inquired   whether   Mr.    Mitchell   was                                                                  
referencing  the Permanent  Fund when  he spoke  to the  state                                                                  
saving money even during deficit spending.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell replied in the affirmative.                                                                                        
Co-Chair  Meyer  asked  whether  the  state  got  credit  from                                                                  
credit  raters for  the Permanent  Fund  reserves even  though                                                                  
the legislature cannot spend the funds.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell answered in the affirmative.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dunleavy  believed  that  the credit  raters  do  not                                                                  
consider  the limit  on  Permanent Fund  expenditures  because                                                                  
it was self-imposed.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell agreed with the statement.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dunleavy indicated  that the  state had  a small  tax                                                                  
base  to generate  revenue from  and  did not  have a  diverse                                                                  
industry  to generate  potential  tax  revenue  and relied  on                                                                  
the  oil revenue  savings  to  pay for  government  until  the                                                                  
state  could expand  its  tax base.  He  thought  that if  the                                                                  
state spent  at a higher  rate and saved  at a lower  rate the                                                                  
state's credit  worthiness was in  a tenuous situation  in the                                                                  
future.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:49:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pawlowski  spoke to slide 7  and related that  in addition                                                                  
to the  Permanent  Fund, the  CBR was  an asset  that did  not                                                                  
show  up  on  the  balance  sheet  as  a  traditional  revenue                                                                  
source but  that the  rating agencies  considered the  broader                                                                  
view of state assets which included assets like the CBR.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell moved to slide 20:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Summary                                                                                                                    
           The State has the Highest Credit Rating                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          While Strongly Positioned the State Faces Fiscal                                                                      
          Challenges                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
          The State has Capacity to Consider Additional                                                                         
          Borrowing at the AAA level                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
          Holistic Approach Should be used for New Debt                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          Estimate $1 to $1.5 billion in Total Additional                                                                       
          Capacity at Current Credit Rating                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
          Interest Rates Remain Low                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mitchell  related that  the  state  had the  capacity  to                                                                  
access  capital.  He  stated  that   interest  rates  for  the                                                                  
short-term  market  were  less  than  a tenth  of  a  percent,                                                                  
while  the  long-term   market  rates  were  approximately   3                                                                  
percent.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:52:12 AM                                                                                                                    
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9:57:24 AM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
^INTERIOR  ENERGY PROJECTS  AND SETS  PROGRAMS UPDATE:  ALASKA                                                                
INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND EXPORT AUTHORITY                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:57:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GENE  THERRIAULT,  DEPUTY DIRECTOR,  STATEWIDE  ENERGY  POLICY                                                                  
DEVELOPMENT, ALASKA  ENERGY AUTHORITY, DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE,                                                                  
COMMUNITY AND  ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,  discussed the  intent of                                                                  
the  presentation. He  noted  that the  presentation  provided                                                                  
an overview of the project to date.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MARK  DAVIS, DEPUTY  DIRECTOR, ALASKA  INDUSTRIAL  DEVELOPMENT                                                                  
AND EXPORT  AUTHORITY, presented  the PowerPoint  presentation                                                                  
titled   "Interior  Energy   Project   Legislative  Update   -                                                                  
Interior Energy  Project Bringing  North Slope Natural  Gas to                                                                  
Alaskans" (copy on file). He spoke to slide 2:                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     AGENDA                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     IEP Goals, Financing and Project Overview                                                                                  
     Project Location                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Project Milestones                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Schedule & Permitting                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Gas Distribution and Demand                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Davis commented  that  the  project  was a  joint  effort                                                                  
between Alaska  Energy Authority  (AEA) and Alaska  Industrial                                                                  
Development and Export Authority (AIDEA).                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Davis  spoke  to slide  3 titled,  "IEP Project  Overview"                                                                  
that  depicted   a  general  overview   of  the  project.   He                                                                  
elaborated  that the  project would  build a  North Slope  LNG                                                                  
(liquefied  natural  gas)  plant  in Prudhoe  Bay.  He  shared                                                                  
that AIDEA  would not  have an equity  position in the  plant,                                                                  
but  would provide  project financing.  The  board arrived  at                                                                  
the  financing  agreement  with  MWH  Global  on  January  14,                                                                  
2014.  Trucking  the LNG  would  be  carried out  via  private                                                                  
contracts between  the utilities  and the trucking  companies.                                                                  
On January  14, 2014 the AIDEA  board approved a loan  between                                                                  
AIDEA  and   a  consortium   headed  by   Northrim  Bank   and                                                                  
Fairbanks  Natural Gas  to build  storage  facilities for  5.5                                                                  
million  gallons  of  LNG  storage   in  Fairbanks.  The  loan                                                                  
package  financing was  a private  sector  investment and  not                                                                  
utilizing   any  SB   23>AIDEA:   LNG   PROJECT;   DIVIDENDS;                                                                  
FINANCING  -  Enacted   5/30/13]  funds.  He   indicated  that                                                                  
discussions    were   still   being    held   regarding    the                                                                  
distribution system.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Davis turned to slide 4:                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
IEP GOALS                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Supply natural gas to Interior Alaska:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
          1. At the lowest cost possible                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
           2. As many Alaska customers as possible                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          3. As soon as possible provide propane from the                                                                       
          gas stream                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     IEP investments compliment alternative sources of gas                                                                      
     supply                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Use private-sector mechanisms                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Davis  spoke to slides 5  titled, "SB 23 FINANCE  PACKAGE"                                                                  
and detailed  that the legislature  appropriated $125  million                                                                  
from   the  Sustainable   Energy   Transmission   and   Supply                                                                  
Development  Fund  (SETS),   $57.5  million  from  SETS  as  a                                                                  
capital  budget appropriation,  and  $150  million AIDEA  bond                                                                  
issuance.   He  briefly   outlined   the   SETS  funding.   He                                                                  
explained  that  after  the  $57.5  million   deduction  $67.5                                                                  
remained.  The  AIDEA  board  was  examining   establishing  a                                                                  
guarantee  program   providing  loans  for  energy   with  $50                                                                  
million  of   the  remaining   SETS  funding.  The   guarantee                                                                  
program   allowed   AIDEA   to   leverage   the   funds   into                                                                  
approximately  $150 million  in guarantees  and allowed  AIDEA                                                                  
"to  do the  most  projects  with the  remaining  funds."  The                                                                  
remaining  $17.5   million  was  committed  to   a  "potential                                                                  
loan."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Davis referenced to slides 6:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     LNG AND PROPANE SALE PRIORITIES                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     1. Residential and commercial space heating                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     2. Electric utilities                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     3. Industrial customers                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     4. Other utilities                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     5. Open market LNG sales                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Davis  mentioned  that all  involved  parties  agreed  to                                                                  
sell  LNG to  non-regulated  utilities.  Over  the  long-term,                                                                  
the   North   Slope   Borough   was   interested   in   buying                                                                  
infrastructure  and investing  in the project  to provide  LNG                                                                  
from  the  liquefaction  plant  to  its  smaller   communities                                                                  
through  utilities  run by  the borough  and  under state  law                                                                  
were  non-regulated.  AIDEA  was working  closely  with  other                                                                  
potential buyers of North Slope gas.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Davis discussed slide 6:                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     COMPLETED PROJECT MILESTONES                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     North Slope Facility                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
          Project Pre-Feasibility Analysis                                                                                      
          North Slope Plant Plan of Development                                                                                 
          Private Partner Due Diligence and Negotiations                                                                        
          Pad Build and Design Procurement                                                                                      
          Long-lead Equipment Procurement                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Distribution System                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          Demand and Conversion Analysis                                                                                        
          RCA Service Area Resolution                                                                                           
          Distribution Cost Project Estimate                                                                                    
          FNG Storage Tank Financing (5.25MM gallon tank)                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Estimated 6-year build-Out                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Davis pointed  out  that RFP's  (Request  for  Proposals)                                                                  
were  received by  AIDEA for  building  the pad  that will  be                                                                  
owned  by AIDEA.  Bids were  also received  for the  long-lead                                                                  
equipment   procurement  and   were  in   process  to   ensure                                                                  
equipment  delivery  in  enough   time  to  build  the  plant.                                                                  
Delivery  will   begin  in  July,  2015.  Pad   building  will                                                                  
commence on October, 2014.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Therriault   spoke   to  the   distribution  system.   He                                                                  
explained  that AEA  calculated the  number of  miles for  the                                                                  
expansion  territory  and  both  potential  utility  companies                                                                  
agreed with  the territory chosen.  The Regulatory  Commission                                                                  
of  Alaska  (Regulatory  Commission of  Alaska)  selected  the                                                                  
Interior  Gas  Utility  (IGU),  the  local  municipal  utility                                                                  
formed  by  the  three  local  governments  of  the  Fairbanks                                                                  
North Star Borough for distribution.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly wondered  whether the IGU  established  a more                                                                  
formal business structure.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Therriault  responded  that  IGU had  contracted  with  a                                                                  
branch of MWH to provide technical services.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:07:31 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly inquired whether IGU had a paid executive.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Therriault responded  in  the negative  and  communicated                                                                  
that MWH would provide the technical staffing.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly   asked  whether  [IGU  board   chairman]  Bob                                                                  
Shefchik was coordinating the effort.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Therriault  replied in  the  affirmative  and added  that                                                                  
[IGU board member] Steve Haagenson was also involved.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Therriault   shared  that  IGU  was  moving   rapidly  to                                                                  
establish themselves as a strong entity in the project.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Therriault  reported that  IGU  was in  discussions  with                                                                  
Golden Valley  Utility  about a possible  storage facility  in                                                                  
the North Pole area.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Davis spoke  to slide  8  titled, AIDEA  Interior  Energy                                                                  
Project -  Schedule." The  slide depicted  a chart that  noted                                                                  
the predicted  project progression  through 2015. He  detailed                                                                  
that  most of  the permitting  was  in place.  The air  permit                                                                  
was  completed   and  anticipated  receiving   the  permit  by                                                                  
September,  2014.   He  mentioned  that  the   "404  Wetlands"                                                                  
permit  was  underway.  The North  Slope  Borough  issued  the                                                                  
permit for the LNG plant.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Davis  spoke   to  slide  9  titled,  "PROPOSED   PROJECT                                                                  
LOCATION:  LNG   PLANT."  The  slide   depicted  a   map  that                                                                  
contained the  proposed project  location. He emphasized  that                                                                  
the  project entities  would  enter into  a  contact with  the                                                                  
producer to use the fuel gas.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Davis turned to slide 10:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     NORTH SLOPE FACILITY NEXT STEPS                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
          Letter of Intent - executed week of February 3,                                                                       
          2014                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
          Establishes the basic parameters of the North                                                                         
          Slope                                                                                                                 
          LNG Plant financing between AIDEA and MWH                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Project Development Agreement - March 2014                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          Negotiate and finalize a detailed Project                                                                             
          Development    Agreement   with   MWH    (Commercial                                                                  
          Structure)                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
          Secure LNG purchase agreements with potential                                                                         
          customers - IGU, FNG and GVEA                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Davis  elaborated that  AIDEA  would  loan  approximately                                                                  
$103  million   to  the  project  and  the  consortium   would                                                                  
provide an  additional $80  million to  $90 million.  He added                                                                  
that if a  pipeline was not built  to Fairbanks or  the demand                                                                  
increased,  MWH agreed  to a  letter of  credit for  expansion                                                                  
of the plant with private capital.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Davis  addressed slide  11 titled,  "Natural Gas  Services                                                                  
Areas -  As Defined by  the RCA." He  stated that AEA  created                                                                  
the  map on  the slide  that depicted  the  gas service  areas                                                                  
defined by the RCA.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Therriault  furthered  that the RCA  decision defined  the                                                                  
territory   the  utility  company   would  serve.   (Fairbanks                                                                  
Natural  Gas  (FNG)  would serve  its  existing  territory  of                                                                  
approximately   1,100  customers   with  a  total   demand  of                                                                  
approximately  1.1 bcf (billion  cubic feet)  of gas.  The FNG                                                                  
territory  contained  70 percent  to 75  percent  of high  and                                                                  
medium  density   customers  of   "space  heat  demand."   The                                                                  
expansion  territory  would be  served  by IGU.  He  expounded                                                                  
that the  estimated cost  for FNG to  expand to meet  customer                                                                  
demand  was  $31 million.  The  cost  would cover  laying  130                                                                  
miles of  pipe underground  and finish the  "build out  of the                                                                  
distribution  system for the FNG  service area. The  build out                                                                  
was expected  to be completed in  two to three years.  The IGU                                                                  
service  area  was substantially  larger  with  the  estimated                                                                  
need of 630  miles of pipe to  serve 30 percent to  35 percent                                                                  
of potential  demand for  medium and  high density  customers.                                                                  
The  estimated   cost  of  the  pipe  construction   was  $156                                                                  
million.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Therriault moved to slide 12:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     CONVERSION ANALYSIS STUDY                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
           LNG Distribution System Demand Analysis                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          Report complete January 2014                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          Demographics, economics, and conversion rate                                                                          
          forecasts                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
          Full report posted to IEP website                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Therriault   elaborated  that  customers   would  not  be                                                                  
forced to  convert to natural gas  and the process  would take                                                                  
time.  He expected  the lower  costs when  compared to  diesel                                                                  
would  act as an  incentive to  convert. He  reported that  as                                                                  
part  of  the  study,  IGU  conducted   a  phone  survey  with                                                                  
potential   customers    to   determine   what    the   "price                                                                  
sensitivity"  was that would  induce conversion. In  addition,                                                                  
AEA  conducted focus  groups to  determine  what cost  drivers                                                                  
would incentivize  customers  to convert  to natural gas.  The                                                                  
findings  were   included  in  the  study  [IEP   Natural  Gas                                                                  
Conversion Analysis}  which allowed  AEA to model demand  at a                                                                  
realistic price point.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:18:11 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bishop commented  that hopefully  a bank would  offer                                                                  
a  conversion  loan  to  enable  customers  to  convert  their                                                                  
heating systems to natural gas.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly inquired  whether  the borough  could issue  a                                                                  
bond for customer conversion paid for by a rate increase.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Therriault  responded  in  the  affirmative.   The  study                                                                  
contained  a   white  paper  written   by  a  consultant   who                                                                  
examined  what  mechanisms  had  been   used  successfully  in                                                                  
other  states  that  prompted  conversion.   He  identified  a                                                                  
successful   mechanism   called    an   "on   bill   financing                                                                  
mechanism."  He  explained  that  the  mechanism  allowed  the                                                                  
homeowner to  borrow money through  a bank or utility  to make                                                                  
the  conversion  and  make  the payments  to  repay  the  loan                                                                  
through  their   monthly  gas  bill.  He  believed   that  the                                                                  
mechanism  would work well  with the  transient nature  of the                                                                  
Fairbanks  population.  A  customer  would  be  able  to  make                                                                  
payments  while  living in  the  house and  if  sold, the  new                                                                  
owners would  assume the loan  obligation via their  gas bill.                                                                  
The  mechanism  enabled the  customer  to get  the  conversion                                                                  
without a  lot of out  - of - pocket  expense. The  conversion                                                                  
would  enable the  customer to  maintain a  savings even  with                                                                  
the loan repayment.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson   inquired  what   would  happen  if   multiple                                                                  
peoples' houses were for sale due to economic downturn.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Therriault   replied  that  the  home  owner   was  still                                                                  
responsible  for  their  heating  bills until  the  house  was                                                                  
sold. The  industry had  found that  the mechanism  maintained                                                                  
a very low default rate.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson asked for details regarding FNG.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Davis  answered  that  FNG  would  soon  be  a  regulated                                                                  
utility (JUNE  2014) and  was owned  by Pentex [Pentex  Alaska                                                                  
Natural  Gas Company,  LLC], which  was owned  by a series  of                                                                  
investment funds located in Minneapolis, Minnesota.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson wondered  whether  other communities  would  be                                                                  
able to "subscribe" to the North Slope LNG plant.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Davis  replied that  the gas  would be  sold at the  plant                                                                  
FOB (Free  on Board)  to Fairbanks.  The  North Slope  Borough                                                                  
also  wanted to  be added  as a potential  preferred  customer                                                                  
when  technology allowed  the  borough to  build  distribution                                                                  
systems  and store  the  gas to  small communities.  He  noted                                                                  
that  relatively  small LNG  storage  was very  expensive  and                                                                  
made  adding  on more  communities  problematic.  However,  he                                                                  
reminded  the  committee  that  the  plant  had  an  expansion                                                                  
clause  and if  technology changed  and  demand increased  the                                                                  
plant would expand.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Olson  pondered   whether   additional   communities                                                                  
outside  the service  area could  subscribe  if they  obtained                                                                  
the infrastructure.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Davis replied  in  the  affirmative  and added  that  the                                                                  
more  subscribers to  purchase  the gas  the  lower the  price                                                                  
for gas.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Therriault  turned  to  slide  13  titled:  "North  Slope                                                                  
Plant Demand  by Year - (GAS  DISTRIBUTION ONLY)"  and offered                                                                  
that based  on the conversion  analysis, AEA modeled  expected                                                                  
demand and  conversion over time.  He noted that the  expected                                                                  
demand in  the FNG territory was  to grow rapidly.  The demand                                                                  
in the  IGU territory  was expected  to begin  slowly in  2016                                                                  
and grow over time.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Therriault  spoke to slide  14 titled, "North  Slope Plant                                                                  
Demand by  Year - (Adjust  for Peak  Day). The chart  depicted                                                                  
that  demand  would be  much  higher  in  the winter  and  the                                                                  
plant  needed  to  be  able to  produce  enough  gas  to  meet                                                                  
seasonal demand.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:28:07 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Therriault  addressed  slide  15  titled,  "Pipeline  Gas                                                                  
Demand  by   Customer"  that   graphed  the  expected   demand                                                                  
growing through 2030.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Therriault  discussed slide  16 titled, "Incentive  Demand                                                                  
Comparison."  He stated that the  graph depicted the  expected                                                                  
demand  with   or  without   incentive  programs.   The  graph                                                                  
demonstrated  that  price  for  natural  gas  alone  would  be                                                                  
enough to  motivate consumers  to convert.  The operation  was                                                                  
based on  volume so incentives  would still help increase  the                                                                  
volume to lower the price for the consumer.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Therriault spoke to slide 17:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM NEXT STEPS                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
          Utility discussions on distribution financing                                                                         
          access                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          Negotiate Take or Pay Contracts                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
          RCA Approval of Contracts                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Therriault  added that  the  utility companies  would  be                                                                  
the main  customers for the plant.  He reminded the  committee                                                                  
that the  governor's vision for  the project was to  initially                                                                  
serve the  core demand  in Fairbanks in  order to "anchor  the                                                                  
plant."  Once   in  progress,  the   service  area   could  be                                                                  
expanded   to  include   many   other  communities   able   to                                                                  
subscribe to the gas.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bishop  inquired  whether the  plant  would  generate                                                                  
10,000  gallons of  propane  per day  and if  any interest  in                                                                  
propane was expressed.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Davis   replied   that  approximately   2,200  to   2,900                                                                  
residents  were   expected  to   be  served  by  propane   and                                                                  
interest in propane use was expressed.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Therriault  interjected  that the  propane  estimate  was                                                                  
based on  the product  stream that was  produced by the  plant                                                                  
generating  9  bcf  of  gas  and  based   on  serving  average                                                                  
households in the Fairbanks North Star Borough.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  related that an  overall legislative  goal was                                                                  
to increase  throughput in the  oil pipeline. He asked  for an                                                                  
update  on AIDEA  projects  involved  in attaining  that  goal                                                                  
and other resource development projects in progress.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Davis replied  that  AIDEA was  assisting  the small  oil                                                                  
company,  Brooks  Range, in  financing  the Mustang  Road  and                                                                  
was  currently  working on  an  expansion project  that  would                                                                  
add  15,000   more  barrels  of   oil  per  day  through   the                                                                  
pipeline. In  addition, AIDEA was  working with another  small                                                                  
oil  company  on  a  project  similar   to  the  Brooks  Range                                                                  
project, but  details were confidential.  He anticipated  that                                                                  
AIDEA  would file  the Environmental  Impact  Statement  (EIS)                                                                  
in  March,  2014  for  the  Ambler  Road.  The  authority  had                                                                  
signed  a   Memorandum  of   Understanding  (MOU)   with  Nova                                                                  
Copper.  He  noted that  Nova  Copper  expressed  interest  in                                                                  
operating the Ambler Mine with LNG from IEP.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer  offered  that   many  of  the  projects  were                                                                  
capital  intensive  and AIDEA  helped  offset  the decline  in                                                                  
oil production  and with  mining job  creation. He noted  that                                                                  
AIDEA provided significant help with a drill rig in Cook                                                                        
Inlet.                                                                                                                          
Mr. Davis  shared that the  drill rig  was moving north  and a                                                                  
new   capital  structure   for   the  rig   was   established.                                                                  
Negotiations  were in  progress with  other smaller  producers                                                                  
in Cook Inlet.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Therriault interjected that the relationship between                                                                        
AEA and AIDEA was working very well.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:36:46 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 10:37 a.m.                                                                                         

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
IEP legislative update for week of 2 10 14 Final.pdf SFIN 2/13/2014 9:00:00 AM
SB 119
021314 Debt Presentation to SenFin 2-13-2014 DOR.pdf SFIN 2/13/2014 9:00:00 AM
SB 119