Legislature(1997 - 1998)

05/03/1998 02:55 PM Senate FIN

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SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                       
3 May, 1998                                                                    
2:55 p.m.                                                                      
                                                                               
TAPES                                                                          
                                                                               
SFC 98  # 153, Side A (000-591)                                                
   Side B (591-000)                                                            
   Side B (593-163)                                                            
                                                                               
CALL TO ORDER                                                                  
                                                                               
Senator Bert Sharp, Co-Chair, convened the meeting at                          
approximately 2:55 p.m.                                                        
                                                                               
                                                                               
PRESENT                                                                        
                                                                               
In addition to Co-Chair Sharp, Senators Pearce, Donley,                        
Torgerson, Adams, Parnell and Phillips were present when the                   
meeting was convened.                                                          
                                                                               
Also Attending:  Senator LYDA GREEN; Senator TIM KELLY;                        
Senator JERRY MACKIE; Senator ROBIN TAYLOR; Representative                     
JOHN COWDERY; Representative GARY DAVIS; Representative MARK                   
HANLEY; Representative AL VEAZY; ANNALEE MCCONNELL,                            
Director, Office of Management and Budget, Office of the                       
Governor; DAN SPENCER, Chief Budget Analyst, OMB; LAURA                        
BAKER, Budget Analyst, OMB; SHARON BARTON, Director,                           
Division of Administrative Services, Department of                             
Administration; DUGAN PETTY, Director, Division of General                     
Services, DOA; JUANITA HENSLEY, Director, Division of Motor                    
Vehicles, DOA; TOM LAWSON, Director, Division of                               
Administrative Services, Department of Commerce and                            
Economical Development; REMOND HENDERSON, Director, Division                   
of Administrative Services, Department of Community and                        
Regional Affairs; KAREN REHFELD, Director, Division of                         
Education Support Services, Department of Education; BARBARA                   
FRANK, Director, Division of Administrative Services,                          
Department of Environmental Conservation; MIKE CONWAY,                         
Director, Division of Air and Water Quality, DEC; KEVIN                        
BROOKS, Director, Division of Administrative Services,                         
Department of Fish and Game; JANET CLARKE, Director,                           
Division of Administrative Services, Department of Health                      
and Social Services; JIM NORDLAND, Director, Division of                       
Family and Youth Services, DH&SS; KEITH KELTON, Director,                      
Division of Faculty Construction and Operation, DEC; DWIGHT                    
PERKINS, Special Assistant, Office of the Commissioner,                        
Department of Labor; ARBE VICK, Director, Division of                          
Administrative Services, DOL; BARBARA RITCHIE, Deputy                          
Attorney General, Civil Division, Department of Law; NICO                      
BUS, Administrative Services Manager, Department of Military                   
and Veterans Affairs and Department of Natural Resources;                      
KEN BISCHOFF, Director, Division of Administrative Services,                   
Department of Public Safety; NANCI JONES, Director, Division                   
of Permanent Fund Dividend, Department of Revenue; JOE                         
PERKINS, Commissioner, Department of Transportation and                        
Public Facilities; NANCY SLAGLE, Director, Division of                         
Administrative Services, DOT&PF; CHRIS CHRISTENSEN, Staff                      
Council, Alaska Court System; WENDY REDMOND, Vice President,                   
University Relations, University of Alaska; PAM VARNEY,                        
Director, Legislative Affairs Agency; MIKE GREANY, Director,                   
Division of Legislative Finance; JIM HAUCK, GRETCHEN MANNIX,                   
GINGER PATTON and SUSAN TAYLOR, Fiscal Analysts, DLF; and                      
aides to committee members and other members of the                            
Legislature.                                                                   
                                                                               
                                                                               
SUMMARY INFORMATION                                                            
                                                                               
                                                                               
SENATE BILL NO. 231                                                            
"An Act making and amending capital appropriations and                         
reappropriations and capitalizing funds; and providing                         
for an effective date."                                                        
                                                                               
                                                                               
The purpose of this meeting was to consider amendments to                      
the FY99 Capital Budget and the supplemental operating                         
budget for FY98.  The committee began with proposed changes                    
to the supplemental budget bill.                                               
                                                                               
SUPP #1: Senator Pearce moved for adoption.  ADOPTED without                   
objection.                                                                     
                                                                               
SUPP #2: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator Pearce                     
objected.  Debate was as follows.                                              
                                                                               
Senator Adams spoke to his motion, saying this was a $1.4                      
million appropriation to the Department of Health and Social                   
Services for increased operating costs to the General Relief                   
Medical Program.  He mentioned the backlog of payments that                    
were due and said he would not get into the argument of why                    
the program was needed.                                                        
                                                                               
Senator Pearce countered that the spending plan included a                     
supplemental amount of $16.5 million and that the Governor's                   
supplemental request jumped up to $70.7 million. She spoke                     
of the additional Medicaid costs and the exceptional fire                      
year and the fund used for those and other programs.  There                    
were no more general fund dollars for FY98 to keep the                         
Legislature on it's target, she summarized.  She commented                     
on the Governor's supplemental request in December of only                     
$13 million and how she didn't understand why it grew so                       
much when it was presented to the Legislature in March.                        
While she supported services for pregnant women, she                           
stressed that the department was given an appropriation for                    
the services last year and given clear direction to manage                     
the funds.  She felt the department did a good job of                          
managing their larger programs but that this program got out                   
of control.  There wasn't money to reimburse the program,                      
and she gave the department that warning last year, she                        
stated.                                                                        
                                                                               
Senator Adams countered that it was hard to predict the GRM                    
caseload.  He noted that the increased caseload came from                      
the urban areas of the state and that was where the most                       
disadvantaged citizens lived.                                                  
                                                                               
Senator Parnell added that the Governor cut the program last                   
year and the Legislature used the number given by the                          
Governor.  He asked that the department be made to live with                   
that amount.                                                                   
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams voted                    
nay.                                                                           
                                                                               
SUPP #3: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator                            
Torgerson objected.  Debate was as follows.                                    
                                                                               
Senator Adams spoke to his motion saying that the funds were                   
needed for power costs equalization.  The program would run                    
out of funds in the middle of this month, he shared.  He                       
referred to rural locations around the state, and the higher                   
electric costs.                                                                
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp countered that the $2.9 million balance in                      
the stripper well and other penalties had been utilized in                     
the present budget for low income housing weatherization.                      
                                                                               
Senator Adams responded that his record showed the oil                         
penalty fund had a balance of $2.999 million.  That was the                    
reason he chose that source to fund the program.                               
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the nay vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
SUPP #4: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator                            
Torgerson objected.  Debate was as follows.                                    
                                                                               
Senator Adams spoke to his motion saying this request would                    
give $2 million to the Disaster Relief Fund.  It was needed                    
to capitalize the fund.  He said it was estimated to be a                      
high fire year and the money might be needed to take care of                   
a large fire.  The current fund balance was only $60,000                       
according to Senator Adams.                                                    
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the nay vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
SUPP #5: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator                            
Torgerson objected.  Debate was as follows.                                    
                                                                               
Senator Adams spoke to his motion saying this was a sum of                     
$351,000 appropriated from the general funds to the                            
Department of Administration, Public Defender Agency.  He                      
explained that the division had a shortfall and while it was                   
a significant reduction, the supplemental appropriation was                    
still needed.                                                                  
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the nay vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
SUPP #6: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator                            
Torgerson objected.  Debate was as follows.                                    
                                                                               
Senator Adams spoke to his motion saying it would take                         
$261,400 from general funds and appropriates it to the DOA,                    
Office of Public Advocacy.  He reminded the committee the                      
shortfall due to caseloads had been discussed earlier.  This                   
amount of money was needed to pay the contractors and other                    
court-appointed professionals.  Failure to pay was a                           
violation of a legal obligation and result in litigation, he                   
warned.                                                                        
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the nay vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
SUPP #7: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator                            
Torgerson objected.  Debate was as follows.                                    
                                                                               
Senator Adams corrected figures listed in the amendment.                       
The DOA amount was changed to $34,004 and the DH&SS amount                     
was changed to $8,427.  He spoke to his motion saying the                      
funds were needed by the departments to pay miscellaneous                      
claims and stale-dated warrants up to June 30, 1998.                           
                                                                               
Senator Torgerson asked if this item was in the original                       
supplemental budget.  Senator Pearce replied that should                       
have been and requested the amendment be placed at the                         
bottom of the calendar.                                                        
                                                                               
Senator Adams removed his motion, saying he would bring it                     
up at a later time.                                                            
                                                                               
SUPP #8: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator                            
Torgerson objected.  Debate was as follows.                                    
                                                                               
This amendment did not have a sponsor.  Senator Adams spoke                    
to his motion saying the appropriation was for additional                      
funds for the foster care augmented rate for special needs.                    
He detailed the #355,600 general funds and $404,200 federal                    
receipts needed.  He told the committee the program served                     
children in foster care with extraordinary problems that                       
must be addressed on an on-going basis.                                        
                                                                               
Senator Parnell countered with the argument that the FY99                      
Operating Budget just passed from committee increased                          
funding for foster care.  He said that funding this                            
supplemental would raise the funding level for FY98 above                      
that of FY99 and would nearly double the program's budget                      
while only adding 42 more children.  He felt the committee                     
had taken a great stride forward with the FY99 budget and                      
urged a no vote.                                                               
                                                                               
Senator Adams responded that it needed to be recognized that                   
there were more problems throughout the state with fetal                       
alcohol syndrome, developmental disabilities, and other                        
problems, which he listed.  He believed it was important to                    
support the foster parents.                                                    
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the nay vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
SUPP #9: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator Parnell                    
objected.  Debate was as follows.                                              
                                                                               
Senator Adams spoke to his motion to delete Section 15 and                     
change funding for Alaska Temporary Assistance Program.  He                    
referred to the department's submission of $1.5 million                        
general fund match.  He said without this, the program would                   
be below the FY98 authorized level.  He reminded the                           
committee that this program replaced the Aid to Families                       
with Dependent Children program.  He believed the caseload                     
had changed and why more funding was needed.                                   
                                                                               
Senator Parnell countered saying that, according to the                        
Legislative Finance Division, the caseload reduction was                       
more accurately reflected in the bill as $3.5 million rather                   
than $1.5 million Senator Adams claimed.                                       
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the nay vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
SUPP #10: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator                           
Torgerson objected.  Debate was as follows.                                    
                                                                               
Senator Adams spoke to his motion saying the appropriation                     
was to DH&SS for additional operating costs related to the                     
adoption and guardian subsidy payments for FY98.  He                           
explained the program provided subsidies for families whom                     
provided permanent alternative homes for children who were                     
hard to place because of their special needs and challenges.                   
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the nay vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
SUPP #11: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator                           
Torgerson objected.  Debate was as follows.                                    
                                                                               
Senator Adams spoke to his motion saying this was an old                       
supplemental to appropriate $155,000 to the Department of                      
Natural Resources for demolition and asbestos abatement at                     
the Old Eagle School site.  He explained the components'                       
distribution to accomplish the cleanup.                                        
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the nay vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
SUPP #12: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator                           
Torgerson objected.  Debate was as follows.                                    
                                                                               
Senator Adams spoke to his motion saying the $100,000                          
general fund program receipts appropriation to the DNR for                     
workload increases at the state recorder office.                               
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the nay vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
SUPP #13: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator                           
Torgerson objected.  Debate was as follows.                                    
                                                                               
Senator Adams spoke to his motion saying the $200,000                          
appropriation to the Department of Law for the Civil                           
Division to cover operating costs.  He spoke of the                            
increased caseload and projected that the division would                       
overspend by $200,000 more than authorized.  Some of the                       
increases occurred in the areas of child protection and                        
juvenile delinquency work, which was part of the Human                         
Services Section.                                                              
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the nay vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
SUPP #14: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator                           
Torgerson objected.  Debate was as follows.                                    
                                                                               
Senator Adams spoke to his motion saying the $100,000                          
appropriation to the DOL; Criminal Division was to cover                       
operating costs.  He talked about the Personal Services                        
Component and the lower than expected vacancy factor.  Due                     
to the high caseload in the Bethel district office resulted                    
in the necessity to keep an attorney position filled that                      
would normally be vacant.                                                      
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the nay vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
SUPP #15: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator                           
Torgerson objected.  Debate was as follows.                                    
                                                                               
Senator Adams spoke to his motion saying $1.5 million                          
appropriation to the DOL was for continuing costs that were                    
under-funded for legal matters involving oil and gas revenue                   
due or paid to the state or state tile to oil and gas land.                    
He did not go into the specific cases, reminding the                           
committee they had been discussed before.                                      
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the nay vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
SUPP #16 was a duplicate of SUPP #15 and was not offered                       
                                                                               
SUPP #17: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator                           
Torgerson objected.  Debate was as follows.                                    
                                                                               
Senator Adams spoke to his motion saying the $50,000                           
appropriation to the Department of Corrections; Parole Board                   
was for increased operating costs due to more prisoners to                     
review on an annual basis.                                                     
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the nay vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
SUPP #18: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator                           
Torgerson objected.  Debate was as follows.                                    
                                                                               
Senator Adams spoke to his motion saying this amendment                        
would satisfy the monitory terms of the collective                             
bargaining agreement entered between the University of                         
Alaska and the United Academics.  The amount of the                            
appropriation was $59,100.                                                     
                                                                               
Senator Pearce requested WENDY REDMOND, Vice President of                      
University Relations come to the table and speak to the                        
request.                                                                       
                                                                               
Ms. Redmond told the committee of the contract agreement,                      
which had a small retroactive portion.  She said this was                      
not any new general fund money but directed that the money                     
be diverted from the University's base budget.                                 
                                                                               
Senator Pearce asked if the University needed authorization                    
to spend the money in this manner.  Ms. Redmond affirmed and                   
expanded.                                                                      
                                                                               
Senator Donley stated that the request seemed reasonable.                      
                                                                               
Senator Torgerson removed his objection and the amendment                      
was ADOPTED.                                                                   
                                                                               
Senator Pearce wished to explain SUPP #19, saying that the                     
committee could come back to it when it took up the Front                      
Section.  She told how she and Representative Hanley had                       
been discussing what to do with the Year 2000 Compliance                       
problem.  This was their suggestion. A supplemental request                    
of a direct appropriation for FY98 from the Constitutional                     
Budget Reserve to the Office of Management and Budget for                      
$9.5 million.  OMB would then utilize that money for the                       
Executive Branch, the University of Alaska and the Alaska                      
Court System for the assessment and remediation of Year 2000                   
computer related problems.  She said that while everyone                       
recognized the problem, no one had any idea how big it was.                    
She warned that the situation couldn't be just ignored.                        
                                                                               
She told the committee this appropriation would require a                      
separate CBR vote and would be a one-time expenditure.  She                    
and Representative Hanley felt this would not work against                     
the on-going spending plan.                                                    
                                                                               
Senator Pearce assured that funds were included in the                         
budget for Y2K compliance for the Legislative Branch.                          
                                                                               
Section Parnell agreed that something needed to be done, but                   
was concerned with the lack of definition of the magnitude                     
of the problem and the specification of where the funds were                   
to be spent.  He said he would be requesting further                           
clarification from OMB to the committee.  He felt the                          
appropriation would be a work in progress between the Senate                   
and the House of Representatives.  He said that without                        
specificity, accountability questions would be raised.  He                     
acknowledged that the problem needed to be addressed.                          
                                                                               
Senator Pearce asked to place SUPP #19 with the Front                          
Section of the bill.  Co-Chair Sharp agreed to the request.                    
                                                                               
Senator Adams responded that this request did not take care                    
of all the agencies.  He stated that if an agency had the                      
ability to take care of its own Y2K problem, it should be                      
able to do so.  He referred to an amendment he would later                     
offer that would specifically address the Permanent Fund                       
Dividend Division.  He did support the concept of the                          
amendment.                                                                     
                                                                               
Senator Pearce asked to place SUPP #19 with the Front                          
Section of the bill.  Co-Chair Sharp agreed to the request.                    
                                                                               
HSS #1: Senator Parnell moved for adoption. Senator Adams                      
objected. Debate was as follows.                                               
                                                                               
Senator Parnell explained that this amendment should                           
actually considered with the Supplemental portion of the                       
bill.                                                                          
                                                                               
He spoke to the amendment saying that over the last eight                      
months the issue of child protection was present through the                   
press and the Legislature.  The Governor had put through a                     
request for 40 new social workers to deal with the problem                     
and the House and Senate had funded most of those positions,                   
according to Senator Parnell.  He said he had since learned                    
that there was $1 million in Division of Family and Youth                      
Services funding that was not being used for front-line                        
social workers.  This was money appropriated last year                         
specifically for that purpose.  He expressed concern over                      
criticism the Legislature received for not funding enough                      
social workers when it was the department that was not                         
adequately using the funds.  This amendment would                              
reappropriate up to $1 million for front-line social workers                   
in the FY99 Operating Budget.  He guessed the Conference                       
Committee would adjust the numbers as needed closer to the                     
end of session.                                                                
                                                                               
Senator Adams approved of the social workers funding.  He                      
spoke of the Senate funding for 28 social workers and the                      
House funding for 35 positions.  He suggested a friendly                       
amendment to add support staff to the designation.  He felt                    
that was one of the missing pieces that would make the                         
program work.                                                                  
                                                                               
Senator Adams removed his objection.  The amendment was                        
ADOPTED without objection.                                                     
                                                                               
Senator Pearce stated that she was aware of supplemental                       
needs to departments.  The most predominant was for the                        
Department of Corrections for medical costs to prisoners.                      
She said the budget was still about $1 million short of the                    
department's request and what the subcommittee chair                           
recommended.                                                                   
                                                                               
She told the committee that OMB had identified funds in an                     
Insurance Reserve Account, but she did not feel comfortable                    
pulling those funds for use in this supplemental.  Her                         
reason was because the committee did not receive formal                        
notification that the funds could be utilized.  However, as                    
those funds are identified, the committee would consider                       
appropriating them where needed.  It was not her intent to                     
go beyond the general fund spending level as specified in                      
the bill.  She requested Senator Adams help to locate some                     
of those alternative-funding sources.                                          
                                                                               
Senator Adams told the chair he had received several                           
amendments from the department after the deadline, which he                    
intended to offer either in committee or on the Senate                         
Floor.  Co-Chair Sharp said he would look at them but would                    
probably hold to the committee deadline.                                       
                                                                               
DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION                                                   
                                                                               
DOA #1: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Co-Chair Sharp                      
objected.  Debate was as follows.                                              
                                                                               
Senator Adams spoke to his motion saying it pertained to the                   
manual collection systems used by the different state agency                   
AKPAY Time and Attendance System and requested $170,000.  He                   
said the tasks required a large amount of state resources to                   
collect, calculate and input the time and attendance data                      
needed to pay state employees.  He felt this allocation                        
would provide for a productive use of resources currently                      
allocated to administrative overhead functions and replace                     
labor intensive manual processing with automated technology                    
solutions.  It would improve accuracy and consistency, he                      
said.                                                                          
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the nay vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
Tape #153 Side B, 3:40 p.m.                                                    
                                                                               
DOA #2: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator Torgerson                   
objected.  Debate was as follows.                                              
                                                                               
Senator Adams spoke to his motion saying the allocation was                    
to add $110,000 for the Integrated Criminal Justice                            
Information System.  He told the committee that the Public                     
Defender Agency offices were not electronically connected                      
and were unable to share databases, case management systems                    
and other information.  This solutions would connect 13 PDA                    
offices using low-cost virtually private network technology                    
and would allow access to other criminal justice agencies                      
and information, develop a statewide case management, share                    
resources and improve electronic communications between all                    
PDA offices, he stated.                                                        
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the nay vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
DOA #3: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator Torgerson                   
objected.  Debate was as follows.                                              
                                                                               
Senator Adams spoke to his motion saying the Juneau Subport                    
Relocation Planning project had been discussed by the                          
committee many times.  He said the facility was the only                       
warehouse facility in Juneau and the land the building was                     
on had been transferred to the Mental Health Land Trust with                   
the lease expiring June 30, 1999.  He listed the agencies                      
utilizing the facility.  He said the funds were needed to                      
plan for the relocation of the different agencies.                             
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the nay vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
DOA #4: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator Torgerson                   
objected.  Senator Adams withdrew the motion.  Senator                         
Phillips re-moved the amendment for adoption.  Senators                        
Pearce, Torgerson and Donley objected at various times                         
during the course of discussion.  Debate was as follows.                       
                                                                               
SHARON BARTON, Director of the Division of Administrative                      
Services, DOA came to the table at the request of Senator                      
Phillips.  She explained that the project would fund about                     
95 workstations in the Division of Retirement and Benefits                     
for systems furniture.  She spoke of the options to move the                   
group out of their current location in the State Office                        
Building and find a bigger space, or to squeeze them into                      
the existing space.  The lowest cost option was the latter,                    
according to Ms. Barton.  She told the committee that the                      
current furniture was debilitated and was not able to                          
configure into the space saving floor plans needed.  She                       
stated that this request was not general funds, but Benefits                   
Receipts, PERS and TRS funds.                                                  
                                                                               
Senator Pearce asked if the allocation was to take money out                   
of the fund that paid people's retirement and use it to buy                    
furniture.                                                                     
                                                                               
Ms. Barton replied that all operating costs for the                            
retirement funds were taken out of those funds.  She                           
continued saying that the costs for office space and                           
workstations were another operating expense for all of state                   
government.                                                                    
                                                                               
Senator Pearce asked if the allocation had been included in                    
the capital budget.  Co-Chair Sharp said it had been but he                    
deleted it.                                                                    
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp wanted to know how many new positions were                      
being added and needed to squeeze into the space.  Ms.                         
Barton guess six to eight but was unsure.                                      
                                                                               
Senator Pearce was unsure what was being done and why it was                   
deleted from the capital budget.                                               
                                                                               
Senator Donley asked if this amount was the full original                      
request, which Co-Chair Sharp affirmed.                                        
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp commented that while this was not general                       
fund money, it was still money.                                                
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 3-4.  Senators Adams,                        
Phillips and Torgerson cast yea votes.                                         
                                                                               
DOA #5: Senator Phillips said this was the same as DOA #4                      
and would not be offered.                                                      
                                                                               
DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT                                
                                                                               
DCED #1: Senator Adams said this would not be offered.  He                     
had asked the department to confirm whether another                            
amendment, to be offered for the Front Section, would                          
accomplish the funding request. The request was to restore                     
matching funds for international trade show and economic                       
development conference grant programs.                                         
                                                                               
TOM LAWSON, Director of the Division of Administrative                         
Services, came to the table.  He answered that the interest                    
earned on the endowment was expected to cover the                              
expenditure.                                                                   
                                                                               
DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL AFFAIRS                                   
                                                                               
DCRA #1: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator                            
Torgerson objected.  Debate was as follows.                                    
                                                                               
Senator Adams spoke to his motion saying that $250,000 was                     
appropriated for the ANWAR costs for oil and gas                               
development.  What he proposed was to lower that to $225,000                   
and put $25,000 into the North Slope Borough for the Village                   
of Kaktovik for their community involvement.  This would be                    
used for travel to Washington D.C. and Anchorage and to host                   
different Congress members to visit the area to consider                       
opening ANWAR.  He added that the North Slope Borough would                    
match the funds.                                                               
                                                                               
Senator Pearce supported the amendment and cited her                           
experience working for the Arctic Slope Regional Corporation                   
taking visitors to the North Slope to help build support for                   
opening ANWAR.  As a result of her travels, she visited                        
Kaktovik often.  She felt the people of Kaktovik had some                      
things to say.  She believed Arctic Power were also                            
supportive of this appropriation.                                              
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp added that he had a direct conversation with                    
the executive director of Arctic Power and was told they                       
valued the participation of the people in this village.                        
                                                                               
The amendment was ADOPTED by a vote of 4-3.  Senators                          
Donley, Phillips and Torgerson cast the nay votes.                             
                                                                               
DCRA #2: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Co-Chair Sharp                     
objected.  Debate was as follows.                                              
                                                                               
Senator Adams spoke to his motion saying that Rural                            
Assistance Grants program had been around for over 20 years.                   
This request was for $800,000 AIDEA receipts to provide                        
funding for projects in communities with a population of                       
less than 900.  He gave examples of projects as community                      
centers, bulk fuel storage facilities, electrical upgrades,                    
etc.                                                                           
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the nay vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
DCRA #3: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senators Pearce                    
and Torgerson objected.  Debate was as follows.                                
                                                                               
Senator Adams spoke to his motion saying this would add the                    
Alaska Native Heritage Center construction funds of                            
$800,000.  He felt the construction of this center would                       
infuse an estimated $50 million into the Anchorage economy                     
through construction contracts and Alaska ventures.  He                        
explained it would employ ten full-time people year round                      
and more than 150 people part-time.  As of January 1998 the                    
heritage center had raised approximately $5.9 million of its                   
$11.8 million goal.                                                            
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 2-6.  Senators Adams and                     
Phillips cast the nay votes.                                                   
                                                                               
DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS                                                      
                                                                               
DOC #1: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator Torgerson                   
objected.  Debate was as follows.                                              
                                                                               
Senator Adams spoke to his motion saying the Department of                     
Corrections was responsible for approximately 112 state-                       
owned buildings valued at $#24 million.  Currently within                      
those buildings there was a need for $22 million for                           
deferred maintenance and $11 million for renovation and                        
remodeling, he stated.                                                         
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp stated that the request was for $800,000 the                    
committee granted $400,000 under the bonding proposal.                         
                                                                               
Senator Adams acknowledged that half the request was                           
appropriated.  However, he felt that amount would not cover                    
the emergency repairs needed for all 112 facilities.                           
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the nay vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
DOC #2: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senators Pearce                     
and Torgerson objected.  Debate was as follows.                                
                                                                               
Senator Adams spoke to his motion saying the request was for                   
$200,000 general funds to correct some of the life and                         
safety code problems in 15 contract communities around the                     
state.  He stressed that these funds were necessary to                         
provide safe housing for inmates and to protect the public.                    
He added that $80,000 of the request would go to fund code                     
improvements for non-contract jails in rural communities.                      
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the nay vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION                                                        
                                                                               
DOE #1: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator Torgerson                   
objected.  Debate was as follows.                                              
                                                                               
Senator Adams spoke to his motion saying this was a request                    
for $100,000 for library materials.  He noted that the                         
funding was granted in the capital budget in the past at a                     
rate of $350,000 per year.  He felt library periodical                         
materials were essential to serve the needs of agencies and                    
the public.                                                                    
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the nay vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION                                       
                                                                               
DEC #1: Senator Torgerson moved for adoption at the request                    
of Co-Chair Sharp.  Senator Donley objected.  Debate was as                    
follows.                                                                       
                                                                               
Senator Donley asked if the level requested by the                             
Administration was $1.7238.  Co-Chair Sharp affirmed and                       
said that was the amount needed to match the federal Village                   
Safe Water Project.                                                            
                                                                               
Senator Donley wanted to know how that related to last                         
year's expenditures.  He felt this was one of the few                          
programs with a statutory prohibition on the local community                   
from putting local funds into the program.  He didn't know                     
how that became statute.  While he supported the program, he                   
was concerned that there was no provision to have these                        
certain Alaskans pay even one percent of the costs locally.                    
He noted that other communities had to pay all or most of                      
their local water projects by taxing themselves.                               
                                                                               
Senator Adams agreed with a portion of that statement, but                     
offered to pass legislation saying that if that area                           
developed a natural resource, they should keep 90 percent of                   
the money to help with their infrastructure.                                   
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp answered Senator Donley's earlier question,                     
saying the program was funded at the same level last year,                     
but did the same thing this amendment would do.  That was to                   
use money from the year before.                                                
                                                                               
Senator Donley asked if the requested amount was what was                      
needed to meet the federal match.  Co-Chair Sharp said it                      
was the amount necessary for the match and to administer the                   
program.                                                                       
                                                                               
Senator Donley removed his objection.  The amendment was                       
ADOPTED without objection.                                                     
                                                                               
DEC #2: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator Torgerson                   
objected.  Discussion was as follows.                                          
                                                                               
He explained that the amendment would authorize the                            
department to receive $778,800 in federal funds for small                      
particular matter monitors. The state would then set up and                    
maintain 15 monitor sites to comply with federal                               
Environmental Protection Agency regulations. He said the                       
committee needed to ask itself if it wanted to be involved                     
with air quality. He warned that if this item were not                         
funded, the EPA would perform the monitoring without state                     
involvement and subsequently set future air quality                            
standards for Alaska.                                                          
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp reminded the committee of earlier testimony                     
from DEC stating that this was the start of a new program                      
and although not guaranteed, it was highly probable that                       
after two or three years, the program would be handed off to                   
local municipalities to operate.  There may or may not be                      
federal funding to continue the program at that time.  He                      
acknowledged the argument that the federal government may                      
set the fine particulate standards if the state did not.                       
However, he felt local municipalities would be saddled with                    
the cost of the program if the state accepted funding for                      
the equipment.  He proposed that this was a blackmail                          
situation.                                                                     
                                                                               
Senator Parnell commented that he had been in support of the                   
amendment until hearing the co-chair's argument.  He said he                   
understood that the EPA who had planned to monitor the                         
program had purchased the equipment.  He stressed that for                     
his district, he preferred the state DEC to set the air                        
quality standards rather than the federal EPA. However, he                     
had been unaware of the possibility of passing the costs                       
onto municipalities.  He requested more information on the                     
issue.                                                                         
                                                                               
MIKE CONWAY, Director of the Division of Air and Water                         
Quality was asked to address the committee.  He explained                      
the Fine Particulate Monitoring Program.  He said the                          
federal funding was to cover a three-year study to look at                     
the particulate level and establish state standards.  At the                   
end of the three years, the monitoring project would end and                   
the department would have the ability to work with the EPA                     
to pass standards to reflect the situation in Alaska,                          
according to Mr. Conway.                                                       
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp asked if it was possible that the state                         
standards would exceed the minimum required by the EPA if                      
they took over the program.  Mr. Conway didn't think so.                       
                                                                               
Senator Parnell asked reconfirmation that the data                             
collection project was slated for three years.  Mr. Conway                     
affirmed.                                                                      
                                                                               
Senator Donley voiced concerns over the current monitoring                     
programs and said he felt they were misadministered.  He                       
complained about the placement of some of the monitors. He                     
hoped that as the collection project proceeded, it would                       
gain public input on how the monitoring was conducted.  He                     
felt the data collected reflected a distorted result.  Mr.                     
Conway said the department shared the senator's hopes with                     
this program.                                                                  
                                                                               
Senator Torgerson wanted to know if there would be any input                   
on where the monitors would be placed.  Or would the                           
placement be determined solely by the EPA.  Mr. Conway                         
responded that if the project was funded, the state would                      
have input but if it were not, the department would have no                    
input.                                                                         
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp asked if the equipment would measure wind                       
blown particulate such as glacier silt.  He referred to an                     
instance with the power plant in Healy that was ordered shut                   
down by the EPA, when in fact it was already shut down and                     
the particulate registered was windblown from the river                        
system.  Mr. Conway replied that the fine particulate did                      
not include windblown matter.  He shared that the EPA was                      
revising the standard, which would be easier for communities                   
like Fairbanks and Anchorage, since the measurements would                     
not include the natural emissions.                                             
                                                                               
Without objection, the amendment was ADOPTED.                                  
                                                                               
DEC #3: Senator Adams announced he would not offer due to                      
passage of the preceding amendment.                                            
                                                                               
DEC #4: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator Donley                      
objected.  Discussion was as follows.                                          
                                                                               
Senator Adams explained that the amendment would place                         
$1,090,000 back into the general fund account for the                          
Cordova Water System Improvements Phase IIB.  He reminded                      
the committee that the City of Cordova was under an EPA                        
compliance order to upgrade their surface water source to                      
meet federal requirements because they were in violation of                    
state water regulations.  He noted that funding had been                       
included earlier.  He emphasized that he didn't think it was                   
right for any senator to remove this money to give to                          
another community and suggested Senator Donley was behind                      
the change.                                                                    
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp admitted it was his staff that removed the                      
funding from the budget.                                                       
                                                                               
Senator Adams suggested that the item would be included in                     
the final bill because a three-quarters vote was needed to                     
adopt the capital budget.                                                      
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the yea vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND GAME                                                    
                                                                               
F&G #1: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator Torgerson                   
objected.  Discussion was as follows.                                          
                                                                               
Senator Adams spoke to his motion saying the request would                     
fund the Southeast Region Vessel Facility with #1,300,000                      
AHFC Bond funds.  He stated this was a critical project for                    
the department.  He referred to the Subport facility and the                   
need to vacate by June 30, 1999 since the site was awarded                     
to the Mental Health Land Trust.  He explained that the                        
department had secured a new location on the waterfront that                   
would allow the use of the existing dock.  He spoke of the                     
Department of Fish & Game divisions and the Department of                      
Public Safety that use the facility.                                           
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the yea vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
F&G #2: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator Torgerson                   
objected.  Discussion was as follows.                                          
                                                                               
Senator Adams spoke to his motion saying he wanted $225,000                    
general funds to go toward the Hardrock Mining Fisheries                       
Research.  He explained the need for the project due to the                    
surge in hardrock exploration around the state.  Over $1                       
billion would be expended by private industry for                              
exploration, construction and production this year alone,                      
according to Senator Adams.  This program would allow the                      
department to work with industry on responsible development                    
while maintaining critical habitat.                                            
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the nay vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
F&G #3: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator Torgerson                   
objected.  Discussion was as follows.                                          
                                                                               
Senator Adams reminded the committee they had seen this                        
request before for a transfer of $56,000 from general funds                    
to fish & game funds for the operating costs of the Division                   
of Subsistence for the fiscal year ending June 30, 1998.  He                   
stated that the division's operating costs had been reduced                    
by 40 percent since FY97.  He stressed the need to keep this                   
division intact due to the uncertainty of future subsistence                   
fish and game management.                                                      
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the nay vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
F&G #4: Senator Torgerson moved for adoption.                                  
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp explained the amendment, which he sponsored.                    
This would return two projects to the budget and remove the                    
questionable EVOSS funding.  The projects were the Whittier                    
Marine Boat Ramp and the Whittier Shotgun Cove Access.  He                     
stated that the department assured him that the request did                    
not exceed the amount of fish and game funds available.                        
                                                                               
Without objection, the amendment was ADOPTED.                                  
                                                                               
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES                                       
                                                                               
HSS #2: Senator Torgerson moved to place at the end of the                     
amendment calendar.  Without objection, it was so ordered.                     
                                                                               
HSS #3: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Co-Chair Sharp                      
objected.  Discussion was as follows.                                          
                                                                               
Senator Adams explained the change of funding for the Public                   
Health Laboratory to add $275,000 general funds to the                         
$550,000 other funds.  He shared that some project expenses                    
could not be paid with funds financed with certificates of                     
participation without jeopardizing their tax-exempt status.                    
The project needed a small general fund appropriation, he                      
told the committee.                                                            
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the yea vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
HSS #4: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator Torgerson                   
objected.  Discussion was as follows.                                          
                                                                               
Senator Adams spoke to his motion concerning the Section of                    
Nursing Communications.  He proposed funding the item with                     
$400,000 general funds, saying that without the project in                     
public health centers in twenty locations throughout the                       
state, the department would be unable to provide effective                     
transmission of information concerning clients and disease                     
outbreaks.  He spoke of a tuberculosis outbreak in the Nome                    
area and stressed the importance of the communication                          
system.                                                                        
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the yea vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
HSS #5: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator Torgerson                   
objected.  Discussion was as follows.                                          
                                                                               
Senator Adams said this amendment would insert," Family                        
Services Field Safety, Office and Transportation Equipment"                    
and grant $250,000 general funds to support the addition.                      
He believed the funds were needed to provide basic logistic                    
resources to protect family and youth service workers and                      
clients and to support protection or prevention services for                   
children.                                                                      
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the yea vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
HSS #6: Senator Adams moved to place the amendment at the                      
bottom of the amendment calendar.  He stated it was                            
associated with HSS #2. Without objection it was so ordered.                   
                                                                               
HSS #7: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator Donley                      
moved to place the amendment at the bottom of the amendment                    
calendar.  Senator Adams objected for the purpose of asking                    
a question.  He wanted to know if there was another                            
amendment that would accompany this one.  Senator Donley                       
replied that he did not yet know.  Without objection it was                    
so ordered.                                                                    
                                                                               
HSS #8: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator Torgerson                   
objected.  Senator Adams explained the amendment to add                        
$100,000 general funds for the Statewide Family Inhalant                       
Program.                                                                       
                                                                               
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The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the yea vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES                                                
                                                                               
DNR #1: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator Torgerson                   
objected.  Discussion was as follows.                                          
                                                                               
Senator Adams spoke to his motion to upgrade the Recorder's                    
Office Equipment for $200,000 general funds and $165,000                       
general funds for the Recorder's Office Aperture Card                          
Filming and Digitizing.  The agency collected over a million                   
dollars more than it expended, according to Senator Adams.                     
He felt it was important to keep an incentive for the agency                   
to continue bringing in high revenues. He spoke of the prior                   
year's stakeholders meeting where the customers indicated                      
that the old equipment was failing and there was a need for                    
them to be repaired.  He also referred to older cards from                     
the years 1970-77 and said they were barely legible.  He                       
argued that the state needed to spend money to make money.                     
                                                                               
Senator Phillips made an illegible comment.                                    
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the yea vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
DNR #2: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator Torgerson                   
objected. Discussion was as follows.                                           
                                                                               
Senator Adams said he was requesting $200,000 general funds                    
for Phase IV of the Rural Coalbed Methane project.  He                         
explained this was a continued project to investigate the                      
coalbed methane potential in rural Alaska.  He stressed the                    
need to investigate alternative means of power                                 
generalization for rural Alaska.  He noted it had the                          
potential of causing a reduction of the rural energy subsidy                   
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the yea vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
DNR #3: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator Torgerson                   
objected.  Discussion was as follows.                                          
                                                                               
Senator Adams explained the request for $300,000 general                       
funds in two equal parts for the State Oil and Gas                             
Electronic Interface with Industry and the Oil and Gas                         
Accounting System Phase II programs.  He felt the                              
installation of these programs would speed up the assessment                   
and collection of royalties owed the state for oil and gas                     
leases.  It would also standardize the independent                             
verification of oil and gas royalty and would simplify                         
calculations and accounting, according to Senator Adams.                       
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the yea vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
DNR #4: Senator Torgerson moved for adoption.                                  
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp spoke to the amendment, which he sponsored.                     
He explained it was a change of title at the request of the                    
department.  "Repositories" would be changed to read,                          
"Repository Grants."                                                           
                                                                               
Without objection, the amendment was ADOPTED.                                  
                                                                               
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY                                                    
                                                                               
DPS #1: Senator Torgerson moved to adopt. Senator Adams                        
objected for the purpose of asking a question.                                 
                                                                               
He wanted to know the funding source.  Senator Torgerson                       
explained that the current version of the bill would                           
reappropriate funds set aside for fingerprinting activities                    
and channel them through the APSIN program.  This amendment                    
would remove $150,000 for APSIN Statewide Communication                        
System, #300,000 for APSIN Redesign and Implementation, and                    
$449,000 for Corrections Officer Criminal Justice                              
Information System Integration for a total of $899,000.  The                   
funds would be redirected into the Department of Public                        
Safety for the Swackhammer Memorial Wing of the Alaska                         
Public Safety Academy at Sitka, according to Senator                           
Torgerson.                                                                     
                                                                               
Senator Adams supported the Swackhammer Memorial Wing for                      
women attending the police academy.  However, he wanted                        
someone from the department to address the affects of the                      
removal of funds from the other projects.                                      
                                                                               
KEN BISCHOFF, Director of the Division of Administration for                   
DPS came to the table.  He said the reappropriation would                      
eliminate several projects.  He added that it was a                            
complicated issue since the $2.1 million proposed for the                      
women's wing also included projects for code improvements to                   
the main building.  The added code upgrades needed to be                       
undertaken at the same time for efficiency reasons,                            
according to Mr. Bischoff.  The amount needed to complete                      
the new wing, not including the other projects, was about                      
$1.4 million.  He asked the committee's advice on how the                      
department should proceed with the funding request.  DPS                       
supported the project.                                                         
                                                                               
Senator Adams asked the amendment's sponsor his intentions                     
with two other amendments that proposed different funding                      
changes to redirect monies to the Swackhammer wing.  If the                    
first passed, what would happen to the others, he wanted to                    
know.  Senator Torgerson replied that if this amendment                        
passed, he would not offer the next two.  He added that his                    
understanding was that the funds were originally for the                       
trooper academy and were reappropriated to the fingerprint                     
programs.                                                                      
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp said that was not the case, and asked Mr.                       
Bischoff if funds were appropriated two years ago for the                      
academy.  Mr. Bischoff answered that there were no capital                     
funds appropriated for construction.                                           
                                                                               
Senator Pearce then asked if funds were reappropriated to                      
the academy.  Mr. Bischoff replied that last year, the                         
Office of Management and Budget attempted to allow them to                     
participate in the AHFC dividend to receive funding for                        
construction.                                                                  
                                                                               
Ms. McConnell added that OMB had proposed the project last                     
year, but that the Legislature did not fund the request.                       
                                                                               
Senator Pearce wanted to know why the fingerprinting program                   
was not implemented when it had been appropriated last year.                   
Mr. Bischoff responded that in reviewing the options, the                      
final choice was to join the Western Identification Network,                   
which was a service bureau.  He explained how the department                   
could participate if funds were granted in the operating                       
budget at the expense of the capital appropriation.                            
                                                                               
Senator Parnell expressed a desire to work with the                            
department to find other funds for the fingerprinting                          
projects and allow these funds to be spent for the Sitka                       
academy.  Co-Chair Sharp agreed.                                               
                                                                               
The amendment was ADOPTED without objection.                                   
                                                                               
DPS #2: Not offered due to action taken on DPS #1.                             
                                                                               
DPS #3: Not offered due to action taken on DPS #1.                             
                                                                               
DPS #4: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator Torgerson                   
objected.  Discussion was as follows.                                          
                                                                               
Senator Adams explained this item applied to Fish and                          
Wildlife Protection and Vessel Repair and would be used                        
statewide.  The request was for $1,221,500 general funds.                      
Senator Adams understood that the committee intended to                        
cover some of the needed repairs with funding from AHFC, but                   
that all the repairs may not be possible under that funding                    
source.  This was because of the bond contracts and the need                   
for multi-year projects.  Therefore, and alternative funding                   
source needed to be provided.                                                  
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp commented that he spoke with the bond council                   
asking if they had any concerns with using the AHFC bonds to                   
cover the vessel repairs.  He concluded that if there were                     
any problems, the funds would be returned to the capital                       
budget when it reached the House Finance Committee.  He                        
appreciated the amendment, but felt there was still work to                    
be done on the matter.                                                         
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the yea vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
DPS #5: Senator Adams did not offer the amendment due to                       
action taken on DPS #1.  He did refer to projects eliminated                   
in the earlier amendment saying that he may offer an                           
amendment on the Senate floor.                                                 
                                                                               
DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE                                                          
                                                                               
DOR #1: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator Parnell                     
objected.  Discussion was as follows.                                          
                                                                               
Senator Adams spoke to his motion saying that the Permanent                    
Fund Dividend System Design, Phase II would not use general                    
funds, but one million dollars from the permanent fund.                        
This project would allow the division to follow the Year                       
2000 compliance plan.  It would also reduce the mainframe                      
data storage costs and reduce personal service costs by                        
eliminating many manual steps and operations, according to                     
Senator Adams.                                                                 
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp countered that the information given to the                     
committee showed that the Year 2000 compliance was already                     
being met. Also, the data entry equipment needed could be                      
purchased with funds left over from the first phase of the                     
project.  He suggested that the item be held until a lower                     
figure was reached.                                                            
                                                                               
Senator Adams responded that phase I had been funded but                       
that more money was needed to complete the project.                            
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the yea vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
DOR #2: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator Torgerson                   
objected.  Discussion was as follows.                                          
                                                                               
Senator Adams stated that the issued had been discussed in                     
the past.  The request was to increase the appropriation                       
from $4 million to $9 million for Supplemental Housing                         
Development Grants.  AHFC told the committee that $45                          
million was available in federal HUD funds and state law                       
allowed 20 percent of construction costs to be covered by                      
the program, according to Senator Adams.  This amendment                       
would reach that 20 percent, he said.  He believed this was                    
the only state program to create new housing for low-income                    
Alaskans.                                                                      
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the yea vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
DOR #3: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator Torgerson                   
objected.  Discussion was as follows.                                          
                                                                               
Senator Adams explained the request to increase an                             
appropriation to AHFC from $250,000 to $1,250,000 for the                      
Homeless Assistance Program.  He stressed that the funds                       
were needed because he was uncertain if related legislation                    
would pass that would otherwise grant the funds.  He spoke                     
of the need of the program and the need to fund at the level                   
originally requested.                                                          
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp responded that the current amount of $250,000                   
was the same as was funded the year before.                                    
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the yea vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
DOR #4: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Co-Chair Sharp                      
objected.  Discussion was as follows.                                          
                                                                               
Senator Adams spoke to his motion to increase the                              
appropriation to the Senior and Statewide Housing Deferred                     
Maintenance project.  This increase would allow the use of                     
federal funding, he added.  He spoke of the importance of                      
deferred maintenance on the senior housing.                                    
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp commented that the amount funded this year                      
would match that of the previous year and that it did                          
include available federal funding.                                             
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the yea vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
DOR #5: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator Torgerson                   
objected.  Discussion was as follows.                                          
                                                                               
Senator Adams explained that this was a funding source                         
change from oil/hazardous funds to AHFC receipts for the                       
Public Housing Environmental Cleanup and Abatement.                            
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp commented that it was determined that the                       
AHFC had a higher and better use than this project so the                      
oil/hazardous fund was assigned.                                               
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the yea vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION                                                   
                                                                               
DOT #1: Senator Torgerson moved for adoption.  There was no                    
objection and it was ADOPTED.                                                  
                                                                               
DOT #2: Senator Donley moved to place it at the bottom of                      
the amendment calendar.  Without objection, it was so                          
ordered.                                                                       
                                                                               
DOT #3 REVISED: Senator Pearce moved for adoption and                          
explained the revision.  There was no objection and it was                     
ADOPTED.                                                                       
                                                                               
DOT #4: Senator Adams moved for adoption. Senator Pearce                       
objected. Discussion was as follows.                                           
                                                                               
Senator Adams spoke of the request for federal receipts of                     
$1,364,600 for the on-going Cordova Lake Avenue Upgrade.  He                   
described the repairs and improvements covered in the                          
project.  He also speculated that once the project was                         
complete, the municipality would maintain the road.                            
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the yea vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
DOT #5: This amendment was re-titled UNIV #2 and moved on                      
the calendar.                                                                  
                                                                               
DOT #6: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator Torgerson                   
objected.  Discussion was as follows.                                          
                                                                               
Senator Adams described the project to provide Emergency And                   
Non-Routine Repairs To Roads And Aviation statewide.  He                       
talked about projects done under this program in the past                      
and those needing attention this fiscal year.  He qualified                    
that the amount of funds he was requesting would not cover                     
the cost of all the listed repairs.                                            
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
he yea vote.                                                                   
                                                                               
DOT #7: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator Torgerson                   
objected.  Discussion was as follows.                                          
                                                                               
Senator Adams spoke to his motion to add another $550,000 to                   
the existing $1 million to fund the department's identified                    
Highway Deferred Maintenance needs.  He detailed some of the                   
specific projects.                                                             
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-5-1.  Senator Adams cast                   
the yea vote.  Senator Parnell was absent.                                     
                                                                               
DOT #8: Senator Adams did not offer this amendment, since it                   
was the same as DOT #3.                                                        
                                                                               
DOT #9: This amendment was submitted past the deadline and                     
was ruled inadmissible by the Co-Chair.                                        
                                                                               
DOT #10: Senator Pearce moved for adoption.                                    
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp, sponsor of the amendment explained its                         
intent to the committee.  It defined the projects the                          
department would undertake, he said.                                           
                                                                               
Without objection, the amendment was ADOPTED.                                  
                                                                               
DOT #13: Senator Torgerson stated that he would not offer                      
this amendment.                                                                
                                                                               
DOT #14: Senator Torgerson stated that he would not offer                      
this amendment.                                                                
                                                                               
TECHNICAL AMENDMENTS                                                           
                                                                               
TECH #1: Senator Torgerson moved for adoption.  He explained                   
the change of the word "bay" to "basin."  Without objection,                   
it was ADOPTED.                                                                
                                                                               
TECH #2: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  He explained the                   
changes to clarify the district location.  Without                             
objection, it was ADOPTED.                                                     
                                                                               
TECH #3: Senator Torgerson moved for adoption.  Co-Chair                       
Sharp explained the amendment he sponsored as a deletion of                    
the word "equipment", since the funds would only cover the                     
costs of license plates and manuals.  Without objection, it                    
was ADOPTED.                                                                   
                                                                               
FRONT SECTION                                                                  
                                                                               
FRONT #1 REVISED: Senator Pearce moved for adoption.                           
Without objection, it was ADOPTED.                                             
                                                                               
FRONT #2: Senator Pearce moved for adoption.                                   
                                                                               
The committee took an At Ease, resuming the meeting at                         
approximately 5:40 p.m.                                                        
                                                                               
Without objection, the motion was ADOPTED.                                     
                                                                               
FRONT #3: Senator Pearce stated that this amendment would be                   
revised and brought before the committee at a later time.                      
                                                                               
FRONT #4: Senator Pearce stated that this amendment would be                   
revised and brought before the committee at a later time.                      
                                                                               
FRONT #5: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator Parnell                   
objected.  Discussion was as follows.                                          
                                                                               
Senator Adams detailed the request for $2 million for the                      
Children's Trust to capitalize the trust.                                      
                                                                               
Senator Parnell countered that the fund was already                            
capitalized, was producing income and had a balance of $6.5                    
million.                                                                       
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the yea vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
FRONT #6: Senator Adams stated that he would not offer the                     
amendment pending the revised FRONT #4 and #5 amendments.                      
                                                                               
FRONT #7: Senator Pearce stated that this amendment would be                   
revised and brought before the committee at a later time.                      
                                                                               
FRONT #8: Senator Donley moved for adoption.  Discussion was                   
as follows.                                                                    
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp spoke to the amendment he submitted, saying                     
it would reappropriate funds granted last year to Alcohol                      
Rehabilitation for Women and Children.  He said the program                    
had a good track record.                                                       
                                                                               
Senator Phillips asked what would happen to the remaining                      
$300,000 of the appropriation.  Co-Chair Sharp replied that                    
the balance of the account was only $300,000.                                  
                                                                               
Without objection, the amendment was ADOPTED.                                  
                                                                               
BOND PROJECT                                                                   
                                                                               
BOND PRJ #1: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator                        
Torgerson objected.  Discussion was as follows.                                
                                                                               
Senator Adams spoke of the request for $200,000 revenue                        
bonds for Mekoryuk Harbor.  He said one reason the project                     
had not been included in the bill was the uncertainty of the                   
community's ability to raise the needed $400,000 federal                       
matching funds.  The federal funding had been secured and                      
the state fund portion was needed to complete the project,                     
according to Senator Adams.                                                    
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the yea vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
MUNICIPALITIES                                                                 
                                                                               
MUNI #1 REVISED: Senator Adams moved for adoption. Senator                     
Torgerson objected for explanation. Discussion was as                          
follows.                                                                       
                                                                               
Senator Adams described the revision to the amendment as a                     
change of page numbers.  He then talked about the project                      
changes requested by the Senator from Bethel and listed the                    
projects to be deleted and those inserted.                                     
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp asked about the change to the Nondalton                         
project.  Senator Donley requested more information.                           
Senator Adams described the cities and specific projects                       
within those communities affected.  He stated the amendment                    
resulted in just a title change.                                               
                                                                               
Senator Donley referred to line stating a project had been                     
verified by the DOA and asked about the "other funds".                         
Senator Adams believed that applied to the available capital                   
matching grants.                                                               
                                                                               
Ms. McConnell came to the table at Senator Adam's request.                     
Co-Chair Sharp said he didn't see where the money was                          
listed.  Ms. McConnell speculated that this was probably a                     
committee that had not submitted its request at the time the                   
bill was first drafted.  She told the committee that past                      
Legislatures allowed communities to submit their requests                      
later.  She again verified the existence of the funds and                      
assured that this appropriation would not change the total                     
amount of general funds appropriated.  She said the full                       
amount was always appropriated even when the community had                     
not submitted a particular project.  That money was then                       
held aside in their account until the paperwork was                            
submitted, she explained.                                                      
                                                                               
Tape 154 Side B, 5:45 p.m.                                                     
                                                                               
Answering a question of Co-Chair Sharp, Ms. McConnell                          
explained that some communities would hold the funds for                       
several years to build a higher balance.  This practice was                    
not unordinary, according to Ms. McConnell.                                    
                                                                               
Senator Donley wanted to know if there was any lapse, and                      
that what was the maximum number of years this could                           
continue without legislative action.  Ms. McConnell replied                    
the maximum was five years.                                                    
                                                                               
Senator Parnell asked for confirmation that this amendment                     
would not change the community receiving the funds only the                    
project within the community.  Ms. McConnell again explained                   
that in the case of the Nondalton project, the paperwork was                   
submitted late to draw funds from their account.                               
                                                                               
Senator Adams offered that the situation could also be one                     
where the community needed to wait until sufficient funds                      
had accumulated before starting the project.                                   
                                                                               
Senator Parnell wanted to assure that the funds were Capital                   
Matching Grant funds designated for Nondalton.  Ms.                            
McConnell affirmed that Nondalton would have received the                      
same amount of funds regardless of the project chosen.  She                    
also stated that this request did not change the amount                        
granted to any other community.                                                
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp suggested the funds could have been in the                      
account from a previous year since he did not see mention of                   
it in this budget.                                                             
                                                                               
The amendment was ADOPTED without objection.                                   
                                                                               
UNINCORPORATED MUNICIPAL GRANTS                                                
                                                                               
UMG #1: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Discussion was as                   
follows.                                                                       
                                                                               
Senator Adams stated that this request was similar to that                     
of the previous amendment.  The reason for the change was to                   
dictate what projects the communities could spend their                        
money on in the case of an emergency.  The funds had already                   
been appropriated through the capital matching grants,                         
according to Senator Adams.                                                    
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp noted that a couple communities on the list                     
did not have any projects on earlier lists and concluded                       
they must have funds in reserve.                                               
                                                                               
There was further discussion about the nomination of capital                   
projects by communities on the list.  REMOND HENDERSON,                        
Director of the Division of Administration, and TENA YOUNG,                    
Grants Administrator, both from the Department of Community                    
and Regional Affairs came to the table to explain the                          
process of identifying projects.                                               
                                                                               
Senator Parnell was given reassurance by Mr. Henderson that                    
appropriation of these funds would have no impact to any                       
other community.                                                               
                                                                               
The motion was ADOPTED without objection.                                      
                                                                               
UMG #2: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Co-Chair Sharp                      
requested Mr. Henderson give the committee a briefing on the                   
amendment.                                                                     
                                                                               
Mr. Henderson described the technical changes contained in                     
the amendment. The first clarified the funds were to go to                     
Tanacross, rather than Tok, for the Tok Vocation Training                      
Center. The second change was a request by Tuluksak to                         
consolidate three projects into the Tuluksak Community                         
Facilities Renovation and Upgrade.  The final change added a                   
project to the Municipal Matching Grant Section for the                        
Lower Kalskag, tank farm expenditures and upgrades.                            
                                                                               
The Department of Administration proposed the Lower Kalskag                    
project.  There was no one present at the meeting to                           
represent the DOA.  Senator Adams explained that the request                   
was an application from the community for reimbursement from                   
their grant fund.  A letter from the mayor making the                          
request was mentioned.                                                         
                                                                               
There was no objection and the amendment was ADOPTED.                          
                                                                               
SUPPLEMENTAL BUDGET REQUESTS                                                   
                                                                               
SUP #19: Senator Pearce moved for adoption.  There was no                      
objection and the amendment was ADOPTED.                                       
                                                                               
SUP #20: Senator Pearce moved for adoption.                                    
                                                                               
She said the amendment would replace Section 16 with                           
different language.  The new language would allow the                          
Department of Education to use FY 98 surplus school funds,                     
according to Senator Pearce.  She explained the surplus was                    
revenue generated by the cigarette tax.  The allocation                        
would allow DOE to reimburse schools for monies spend on                       
debt service on bonds if SB 11 passed into law.  If SB 11                      
did not pass, the amendment would not be necessary, she                        
added.                                                                         
                                                                               
Senator Pearce answered Senator Adams question saying that                     
the funds were part of FY 99 projected revenues.                               
                                                                               
Senator Adams then wanted to know if the anticipated $16                       
million generated would be used statewide.  Senator Pearce                     
said that would depend on the outcome of SB 11 or other                        
capital budget changes.                                                        
                                                                               
The amendment was ADOPTED without objection.                                   
                                                                               
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DOT #15: Senator Pearce moved for adoption.                                    
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp explained that the amendment would solve the                    
problem with a lack of general funds matching grants for                       
certain projects included in this year's STIP.  It would not                   
remove any general fund matching grants from any projects                      
already allocated, according to the co-chair.                                  
                                                                               
The amendment was ADOPTED without objection.                                   
                                                                               
UNIVERSITY OF ALASKA                                                           
                                                                               
UNIV #1: This amendment was not offered                                        
                                                                               
UNIV #2 (formally titled DOT #5): Senator Adams moved for                      
adoption.  Senator Pearce objected.  Discussion was as                         
follows.                                                                       
                                                                               
Senator Adams spoke to his motion to fund the Physical                         
Education Facility at the Juneau campus. He talked about the                   
possibilities of selling other buildings and using the                         
proceeds to help fund this project.  He noted that the                         
Juneau currently had no physical education facility.                           
Construction would not require general funds, would instead                    
use university receipts and be maintained with user fees.                      
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6. Senator Adams cast                      
the yea vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
The committee took an At Ease from approximately 6:10 p.m.                     
to 6:25 p.m.                                                                   
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp ruled that HSS #2 would be held until the                       
next day's committee meeting.                                                  
                                                                               
HSS # 7: Senator Adams moved for adoption.                                     
                                                                               
He offered photographs of the McLaughlin Youth Detention                       
Center to show the overcrowded conditions.  He said he could                   
wait until the next meeting for consideration on the motion.                   
                                                                               
Senator Pearce moved to table the motion.  The amendment was                   
TABLED by a vote of 6-1.  Senator Adams cast the nay vote.                     
                                                                               
DOT #2 REV REV: Senator Donley moved for adoption.  Senator                    
Adams objected.  Discussion was as follows.                                    
                                                                               
Senator Donley spoke to his motion explaining that the                         
revised amendment would fine-tune the AMAT issues in the                       
capital budget. He said there had been a communication                         
glitch between DOT and the committee and that the department                   
had not submitted all the projects.  This amendment would                      
correct that and include all the Anchorage projects.  He                       
mentioned the Fifteenth Avenue project as one.                                 
                                                                               
Senator Adams wanted to know if all the insertions were AMAT                   
projects.  Senator Donley said all were but one, Abbott                        
Loop/Abbott Road.                                                              
                                                                               
Senator Adams then asked where the funds would come from for                   
the excluded project.  Senator Donley replied the money                        
would come from the general fund.  Senator Adams suggested                     
this would then be an addition to the general fund                             
allocation.                                                                    
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp asked if the funds had been allocated before                    
and that this amendment was an appropriation of the funds.                     
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp was unsatisfied with the answer he received                     
and objected to the motion.                                                    
                                                                               
The committee took a five-minute At Ease until 6:36 p.m.                       
                                                                               
Senator Donley stated that everything included in the                          
amendment was already included in the bill except for the                      
last item, which was the Ship Creek Trail project.  He said                    
that project was previously excluded because the department                    
failed to submit it to the co-chair's office for inclusion.                    
                                                                               
Senator Donley moved to hold the amendment until the next                      
meeting.  Without objection, it was TABLED.                                    
                                                                               
SUP #22: Senator Pearce moved for adoption.  Senator Adams                     
objected.  Discussion was as follows.                                          
                                                                               
Senator Pearce explained that the amendment would change the                   
language in Section 16 again.  Department and House and                        
Senate Finance Committee staff felt the proposed language                      
would be simpler, according to Senator Pearce.  She assured                    
that the bill would do the same thing in removing FY 98                        
tobacco tax funds from the school fund to the school                           
construction account.                                                          
                                                                               
Senator Adams remarked that it was not shown that the $15                      
million was to be distributed statewide.  He justified that                    
since the taxes were collected from rural communities also,                    
the funding should be spread statewide.                                        
                                                                               
The amendment was ADOPTED by a vote of 6-1. Senator Adams                      
cast the nay vote.                                                             
                                                                               
FRONT #9: Senator Pearce moved for adoption.  Senator Adams                    
objected for question.  Discussion was as follows.                             
                                                                               
Senator Adams wanted to know if the purchase of Utility                        
Generation Systems would go out for competitive bid.                           
Senator Pearce replied that the grant would go to the North                    
Pacific Rim Housing Authority, the housing authority for the                   
Prince William Sound area.  Chenega Bay had a generator,                       
according to Senator Pearce.  She spoke of the bankrupt                        
utility company and the National Bank of Alaska, who was                       
currently operating the utility and the village's desire to                    
purchase and operate the generator.  The village did not                       
have the funds to do so, and this appropriation would allow                    
the housing authority to buy the generator and help the                        
village run the program.                                                       
                                                                               
Senator Adams' concern was that the appropriation would bail                   
out the bankrupt utility company.  Senator Pearce assured                      
him that the utility still owed its debts but the generator                    
would be turned over to the housing authority.                                 
                                                                               
Senator Adams removed his objection.  The amendment was                        
ADOPTED without objection.                                                     
                                                                               
SUP #7: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator Pearce                      
objected.  Discussion was as follows.                                          
                                                                               
Senator Pearce admitted that the miscellaneous claims of the                   
Department of Revenue were put into the supplemental request                   
from the Administration, but she objected to the amount.                       
She stated that the general funds appropriation limit had                      
been reached for the supplemental appropriation.  There were                   
no further general funds she stressed.                                         
                                                                               
Senator Adams countered that these were still warrants                         
needing to be paid at some point and paying them now would                     
save interest charges.                                                         
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED by a vote of 1-6.  Senator Adams cast                     
the yea vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp noted there were no more amendments before                      
the committee at that time.  He added that there were some                     
amendments to be addressed at the next day's committee                         
meeting.  He advised the committee that the Legislative                        
Finance Division would be updating the figures based on                        
action taken at this meeting.  He announced the committee                      
would meet at 9:00 a.m. the next day to continue work on                       
this bill plus the bonding bill.  If time allowed, he said                     
other bills might be addressed.  He noted that a bill                          
drafter and a representative from the Alaska Housing                           
Authority would be present to assist the committee with the                    
bonding bill.  It was his target to get the capital budget                     
to the Senate Floor by Tuesday and to incorporate the                          
capital budget, supplemental budget and the bonding bill                       
into one.                                                                      
                                                                               
Senator Pearce announced a Conference Committee meeting the                    
next day at 3:30 p.m.                                                          
                                                                               
                                                                               
ADJOURNMENT                                                                    
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp adjourned the meeting at approximately                          
6:50 p.m.                                                                      
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