Legislature(1997 - 1998)

04/23/1998 06:15 PM Senate FIN

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SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                       
23 April, 1998                                                                 
6:15 p.m.                                                                      
                                                                               
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CALL TO ORDER                                                                  
                                                                               
Senator Drue Pearce, Co-Chair, re-convened the meeting at                      
approximately 6:15 p.m.                                                        
                                                                               
                                                                               
PRESENT                                                                        
                                                                               
In addition to Co-Chair Pearce, Senators Sharp, Donley,                        
Torgerson, Adams, Parnell and Phillips were present when the                   
meeting was convened.                                                          
                                                                               
Also Attending:  MIKE GREANY, Director, Division of                            
Legislative Finance and aides to committee members and other                   
members of the Legislature.                                                    
                                                                               
See Summary Information for list of those participating in                     
public testimony.                                                              
                                                                               
SUMMARY INFORMATION                                                            
                                                                               
                                                                               
SENATE BILL NO. 229                                                            
"An Act making appropriations for the operating and                            
loan program expenses of state government, for certain                         
programs, and to capitalize funds; making                                      
appropriations under art. IX, sec. 17(c), Constitution                         
of the State of Alaska, from the constitutional budget                         
reserve fund; and providing for an effective date."                            
                                                                               
                                                                               
SENATE BILL NO. 230                                                            
"An Act making appropriations for the operating and                            
capital expenses of the state's integrated                                     
comprehensive mental health program; and providing for                         
an effective date."                                                            
                                                                               
                                                                               
SENATE BILL NO. 231                                                            
"An Act making and amending capital appropriations and                         
reappropriations and capitalizing funds; and providing                         
for an effective date."                                                        
                                                                               
                                                                               
SENATE BILL NO. 292                                                            
"An Act making supplemental appropriations; making,                            
amending, and repealing capital or other                                       
appropriations; making appropriations to capitalize                            
funds; and providing for an effective date."                                   
                                                                               
The purpose of this meeting was to hear public testimony on                    
the FY99 budgets.  Co-Chair Pearce announced testimony would                   
be limited to two minutes per speaker.  She added that                         
elevators to the Anchorage Legislative Information Office                      
were out of order and arrangements were being made to                          
accommodate those who were unable to use the stairs.  She                      
also added that written testimony would be accepted.                           
                                                                               
Senator Sharp offered a motion to adopt the Senate Finance                     
Subcommittee budgets closed to date along with Mission and                     
Measures statements previously incorporated in SB 229 and SB
230 into HB 325 and HB 326 as the working draft Senate                         
Finance Committee Substitutes for the operating budget                         
bills.  There was no objection and Co-Chair Pearce so                          
ordered.                                                                       
                                                                               
Public testimony speakers were as follows:                                     
                                                                               
TOM BOUTIN testified in Juneau.  His comments included                         
stressing a need for budget discipline. In his opinion, if                     
the Legislature had not adopted the strict budget it had in                    
the last few years, State government would be unable to meet                   
any of the ongoing and newly recognized fiscal needs.  He                      
further stated that if the budget plan as submitted by the                     
Administration had been adopted, the budget reserve would be                   
much smaller.  He spoke of earlier Administrations and                         
Legislative sessions and cuts he felt they should have made.                   
He also spoke of oil revenues and rural representation,                        
surmising that no Alaskan had a superior claim to state-                       
owned resources.  He advised that the Legislature was safe                     
in having a plan in place and sticking to it.  In general,                     
he supported the budget cuts proposed by the Legislature.                      
                                                                               
Senator Phillips commented that he was hearing similar                         
sentiments from his constituents in Eagle River.                               
                                                                               
FRED HILTNER, a primary school teacher, testified in Juneau.                   
He voiced his support of increased funding for the Healthy                     
Families Program.  He spoke of the importance of early                         
intervention.  In his opinion, waiting for preschool to                        
start developmental training and trying to remedy the                          
effects of poor parent-child bonding and interaction was too                   
late.  He talked about the program saying it served parents                    
as well as teens with newborns and worked with families with                   
factors such as difficult childhood histories, lack of                         
parenting information or skills, mental health issues,                         
alcohol or drug use histories, violence, poverty or single                     
parenting.  He stressed the benefits of home visiting as                       
preventing abuse, bonding activities, emotional support to                     
new parents, education, ongoing screening, linkage to a                        
primary health care provider, timely immunizations, building                   
trusting relationships, teaching problem solving skills and                    
referral to local services.                                                    
                                                                               
He summarized by saying that increased funding was needed to                   
allow for growth of the existing program.  He warned that                      
at-risk children needed support now.  They could be served                     
now, or spend money on them later in cost related to                           
medical, educational, social and the criminal justice                          
systems, he stated.                                                            
                                                                               
Senator Donley told Mr. Hiltner that the Legislature had                       
been investing more money into the Healthy Families Program                    
over the years.  He countered that the state was currently                     
running a $700-800 million deficit and wanted Mr. Hiltner to                   
suggest where funds should be shifted to accommodate this                      
program.                                                                       
                                                                               
Mr. Hiltner responded that it was documented that                              
preventative programs saved expenses later on.  If there was                   
the early intervention, he speculated there would be less                      
need for the more expensive programs later in the child's                      
life.  He spoke of situations in his teaching experience                       
where this was evident.                                                        
                                                                               
Senator Donley argued that didn't help with the situation                      
the Legislature was faced with today.  Mr. Hiltner said he                     
was not familiar with the entire budget and asked if Senator                   
Donley saw a program more important than this.                                 
                                                                               
There was further debate between Senator Donley and Mr.                        
Hiltner.  Senator Donley's comments basically stated his                       
support of this program countered with the Legislature's                       
need for input on where other cuts could be made to                            
accommodate the more important programs.  Mr. Hiltner                          
offered he would be willing to forgo some road-building                        
infrastructure in favor of this program.                                       
                                                                               
Senator Adams suggested the Legislative salaries should be                     
cut and the session shortened.  He felt the question of                        
where cuts should be made was unfair since Mr. Hiltner                         
couldn't know the entire budget package.                                       
                                                                               
Senator Donley restated his desire to get suggestions from                     
the public on where to reduce state spending.  He restated                     
his agreement with the witness on the importance of the                        
Healthy Families Program.  He criticized the Governor on his                   
failure to make reduction recommendations.                                     
                                                                               
Senator Adams argued that the issue of revenue generation                      
also needed to be discussed.                                                   
                                                                               
Next to testify in Juneau was JERRY MCBEATH.  He was a                         
professor at the University of Alaska and spoke on behalf of                   
the United Academics, which he explained was a new statewide                   
organization of faculty.  He addressed his comments to SB
229 and the issue of university funding.  He referred to the                   
House of Representative's agreement to adopt level funding                     
and to increase that by $1.6 million, which would result in                    
partial funding of employee contracts.  He urged the Senate                    
to do better and fund the regent's request of $171 million.                    
He realized from earlier discussion that the committee was                     
not considering this, or the Governor's request.  Therefore                    
he asked that the committee consider funding at the FY98                       
level plus full funding of employee contracts.                                 
                                                                               
He gave three reasons in support of this funding allocation.                   
First, he believed that by doing so, the Legislature would                     
be sending a message of support to students, who were                          
dispirited at the continued program cuts and faculty, who                      
were leaving to find better jobs elsewhere.  He felt                           
increased funding would improve moral and keep students and                    
faculty from leaving.  The second reason he gave was that it                   
would be a signal to the world that this state did value                       
higher education.  He said he would like to go to                              
conferences and be able to speak of the value his                              
Legislature placed on higher education.  The third reason he                   
believed, fully funding employee contracts would constitute                    
fair treatment of university employees.  He spoke of other                     
employee contracts that were to receive full funding and he                    
wanted to see the same with university employees.                              
                                                                               
He summarized by saying he had been at the university for 22                   
years and was strongly committed to it and the State Of                        
Alaska.  He realized there were some rough years ahead and                     
felt the university needed messages of hope and support                        
right now.                                                                     
                                                                               
VALERIE THERRIEN testified next in Juneau.  She was the                        
Legislative Chair of the Governor's Advisory Board on                          
Alcohol and Drug Abuse.  She requested the committee rethink                   
it's cuts to the General Relief Medical program.  According                    
to Ms. Therrien, her group would be one of the groups hard                     
hit by the reduction in funding down to zero.  She said most                   
if the beneficiaries in the program had been removed from                      
Social Security Benefits as a result of federal changes.                       
These participants had concerns about their medical                            
conditions beyond their addiction disorders.  By cutting                       
this funding, it removed their safety net, she said.                           
                                                                               
She warned that cutting the General Relief program funding                     
would not stop the cost of treatment just shift it to the                      
local communities and hospitals and those individuals with                     
insurance who would therefore have to pay higher costs.                        
                                                                               
Senator Parnell stated that Ms. Therrien was the first                         
person to testify honestly on the issue and to say that the                    
medical care was not cut off, just shifted.  He felt that                      
was an important clarification and that the shift was a                        
policy call that the committee needed to wrestle with.                         
                                                                               
Next to testify in Juneau was BRENDA KNAPP, member of the                      
State Mental Health Board and also Executive Director of the                   
Juneau Alliance for the Mentally Ill.  Like Ms. Therrien,                      
she came to speak in favor of General Relief Medical and                       
urge its reinstatement.  Specifically, she shared with the                     
committee why the program was important for the people                         
served at JAMI.  According to Ms. Knapp, half of the                           
participants were not eligible for Medicaid, and only some                     
of those could be served with other resources.                                 
                                                                               
The GRM program offered some ability for psychiatric care                      
and to cover the costs of medication and therefore could                       
help keep some of the patients in the community, she shared.                   
She spoke of the costs for outpatient medication versus the                    
cost for inpatient treatment and housing.  She added that                      
these patients had other medical needs as well.                                
                                                                               
The last person to testify in Juneau was MICHAEL BUTLER.  He                   
represented the Juneau Area State Parks Citizen Advisory                       
Board and he described the group and its directive to                          
promote, expand and protect the integrity of the parks.  He                    
spoke in support of funding for the deferred maintenance                       
needs in the State Park's budget.  He detailed the trails,                     
cabins and other features needing upkeep and their state of                    
disrepair.  He talked about the importance of upkeep in                        
preventing the need for complete renovation.                                   
                                                                               
The committee began hearing testimony from people from the                     
Legislative Information Offices across the state beginning                     
with Anchorage.  Co-Chair Pearce announced that she would                      
call upon the first three people signed up for Anchorage,                      
then hear from the first two in Fairbanks and move around to                   
the different sites hearing from one or two speakers until                     
all sites had an opportunity to speak. She hoped this would                    
avoid any one community from waiting until the very end to                     
be heard.                                                                      
                                                                               
The Healy moderator interrupted asking that her site be                        
heard after Fairbanks.  Co-Chair Pearce noted the request                      
but said she hadn't received any information on people                         
signed up from Healy and that she would be calling on                          
communities in the order their sign-up sheets were received.                   
                                                                               
First to testify via teleconference from Anchorage was                         
DWIGHT SMITH.  He introduced himself as a physician and                        
faculty member of the Alaska Family Practice Residency                         
Program and also worked with Anchorage Neighborhood Health                     
Center.  He commented in support of the WAMMI budget, saying                   
that only four states, including Alaska, had no medical                        
schools and contracted out to another state for their                          
medical students to be trained.  He was concerned about                        
Senator Donley's action to cut $240,000 from the WAMMI                         
budget, which he felt would be totally devastating to the                      
program.  He referred to the House of Representatives budget                   
actions and concerns about students trained by Alaska then                     
going to other states.  He stated Alaska had a 48 percent                      
return rate, which was higher than average.  Counting all                      
WAMMI training, Alaska had a return rate of 80 percent,                        
according to Mr. Smith.                                                        
                                                                               
He spoke of HB 193, which would require graduates who did                      
not return to Alaska to repay the state.  Therefore, he felt                   
the problem of repayment was answered and he wondered why                      
the budget was now being cut.                                                  
                                                                               
He continued by listing other benefits to the WAMMI contract                   
with the University of Washington.  These included faculty                     
interaction.  He stressed the need to watch out for the                        
long-term affects of cuts to the WAMMI program.                                
                                                                               
JIM PARKER testified via teleconference from Anchorage.  He                    
was the supervising attorney for Disability Law Center of                      
Alaska and he described his agency.  His organization was                      
concerned about the proposed elimination of the GMR.  He                       
felt it was a vital part of the state.  He stipulated the                      
restrictions of the program to only cover the most necessary                   
medical services.  He shared the opinion of Ms. Knapp that                     
many people would be in danger of institutionalization or                      
need costly inpatient treatment if they did not have access                    
to the GMR program.  He pointed out that the process to                        
obtain Medicaid coverage could take years and that many                        
participants of his program were awaiting determination of                     
Medicaid eligibility.  For many of those people, the GMR                       
program was their only way to obtain medical services during                   
this period of time, he stressed.                                              
                                                                               
Finishing the first Anchorage teleconference round was ED                      
WUSSELL. He was the president of Alaska Right to Life.  He                     
spoke against GRM spending for abortion services.  He                          
conveyed his intolerance of abortion and public funding for                    
such.  His organization supported the other services                           
provided by the GMR program.                                                   
                                                                               
He commented on public employees, saying he viewed them as                     
public servants but had been unable to get straight answers                    
from them relating to the use of GMR funds.  He felt these                     
employees were lying to the Legislature.                                       
                                                                               
The committee then heard testimony via teleconference from                     
Fairbanks.  The first to speak was MARIE SCHOLLE, chair of                     
the Staff Alliance Governor's Council [undecipherable] and                     
also vice president of the University Alumni Association.                      
She testified in favor of the university budget, realizing                     
that the Board of Regent's request seemed unrealistic at                       
that point.  However, she urged the committee to consider                      
the Governor's request.  She spoke to the importance of the                    
university to the state.  She also talked about the need for                   
additional revenue sources for the university such as the                      
earnings reserve account, capping the permanent fund, land                     
endowments, endowments from the permanent fund or sales or                     
income taxes.                                                                  
                                                                               
She stated that it was time for Alaskans to pay their own                      
way.  She felt the university should not be continually cut                    
just so citizens did not have to pay taxes.                                    
                                                                               
PAT IVEY was next to testify via teleconference from                           
Fairbanks.  She spoke in support of full funding for the                       
university.  She described the effects of past budget cuts.                    
This included retired faculty returning to teach classes on                    
a volunteer basis, other classes disappeared and Ph.D.                         
candidates unable to continue their schooling because they                     
could not get a committee of major professors together.  She                   
urged the Senate to continue funding the university to the                     
maximum extent possible.  If the Governor's request could                      
not be funded, she begged the salary increase to at least be                   
funded.  She requested the university employees be treated                     
the same as other state employees.                                             
                                                                               
The committee then heard testimony from CHIEF CHARLIE FANNON                   
via teleconference from the Mat-Su Legislative Information                     
Office.  He spoke as an advocate for the proposed Mat-Su                       
Youth Detention Facility.  He told the committee there were                    
three law enforcement entities in the Mat-Su area; The City                    
of Palmer, The City of Wasilla and the Alaska State Troopers                   
and he said he was speaking on all of their behalf.  Last                      
year alone, the City of Wasilla arrested 299 kids and the                      
closest youth detention facility was the McLaughlin Youth                      
Facility in Anchorage, according to Chief Fannon.  About                       
three hours was required to transport and process the                          
offenders, he said.                                                            
                                                                               
He was concerned that the proposed Mat-Su facility would be                    
cut from the budget.  He stressed a real and pressing need                     
for the facility shown by the loss of 900 patrol hours per                     
year to the job of supervising and transporting the youths.                    
He shared that the youths could not be incarcerated around                     
adults and therefore required the separate handling                            
procedures.                                                                    
                                                                               
In his opinion, the juvenile offenders who should be                           
confined victimized the communities and would continue to do                   
so because there was no room in the current facility.                          
Reasons why the offenders could not be released to the                         
community included liability, some of the youths were                          
intoxicated, and the time of arrest was often at night.  The                   
McLaughlin Youth Detention Center was overcrowded he added.                    
                                                                               
Healy was the next community to speak to the committee via                     
teleconference.  KIM GRAHAM went first and addressed her                       
comments to funding for the Alaska State Troopers along the                    
highway system.  Currently only Nenana and Cantwell had a                      
full-time trooper stationed there, according to Ms. Graham.                    
She requested a trooper for Healy.  She told the committee                     
that Nenana had city police as well as the trooper.  If cost                   
prevented having a trooper in all three communities, she                       
asked that the trooper currently stationed in Nenana be                        
moved to Healy.                                                                
                                                                               
Next to testify via teleconference from Healy was LINDA                        
DINGBAUM.  She also spoke in favor of funding for a state                      
trooper in Healy, saying she was representing three other                      
Healy residents who were unable to attend the meeting.                         
                                                                               
She said Representative Jeannette James had said there had                     
been funding for the position but because of a lack of                         
housing, the position was never filled and the funds were                      
withdrawn.  Ms. Dingbaum felt housing should not be an issue                   
since there was housing available and troopers in other                        
posts were required to secure their housing.                                   
                                                                               
She spoke of increased population in the area during the                       
summer in addition to many travelers passing through.  She                     
wondered if the reason there was no trooper assigned to                        
Healy was because there was no Native base.  If so, she                        
argued that was discrimination.  She said she didn't want to                   
see the community continue to grow and become unsafe because                   
there was no law enforcement.                                                  
                                                                               
It was her understanding that Homer did not have a trooper                     
until House Speaker Gail Phillips pulled strings and got a                     
position stationed in her district.                                            
                                                                               
She indicated that other Healy residents would be faxing                       
written comments in support of funding for a trooper                           
position.                                                                      
                                                                               
Senator Donley shared that he was the chair of the                             
Department of Public Safety budget subcommittee.  Last year,                   
the Legislature added $180,000 to the trooper detachment                       
line item, which gave the executive branch additional                          
funding for two additional trooper positions, he said.                         
However he stated, the Administration diverted the funding                     
to other expenses.  This was the first he heard of a housing                   
difficulty and he would have welcomed that information when                    
the subcommittee addressed the matter of positions.  He                        
spoke of housing program receipts to alleviate concerns in                     
other communities.                                                             
                                                                               
He continued speaking on the proposed allocations to the                       
department for FY99, which was higher than last year.  The                     
budget would allow for a 14 or 15 position increase and the                    
department had the discretion where the troopers would be                      
placed. He suggested members of the community bring their                      
concerns to the DPS and gave them other suggestions as to                      
how they could work to have the position assigned to Healy.                    
                                                                               
The final person to testify via teleconference from Healy                      
was SHIRLEY HAMMEL.  As a restaurant owner, she told the                       
committee of various arrests she had witnessed over the                        
years.  In her opinion, it took too long for a trooper to                      
travel from Nenana or Cantwell to Healy when they were                         
needed.  She commented on the tremendous tourism growth due                    
to the proximity to Denali National Park and the need for                      
law enforcement to respond to highway accidents.                               
                                                                               
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Co-Chair Pearce announced the committee would hear from                        
three more people waiting in Anchorage.  The Anchorage site                    
was having difficulty and Co-Chair Pearce moved on to                          
Fairbanks.                                                                     
                                                                               
The next teleconference testifier from Fairbanks was JUDY                      
WILD-CURRY.  She was the program manager for the Fairbanks                     
Healthy Families Program and she spoke to the benefits of                      
the program.  Although this was a new program, she said                        
positive affects were already apparent.  She told the                          
committee of a proposed study using a control group of                         
families participating and families not participating in the                   
program.  She agreed that a control group would be                             
beneficial, but she also felt that the limited resources                       
were better utilized to provide home visitation services.                      
She spoke of control group studies done in Hawaii and                          
Arizona, which showed the importance of the program.                           
                                                                               
She continued telling of the advantages participants                           
realized such as a more nurturing home environment with more                   
positive parent/child interactions and outcomes.  These                        
families had less physical punishment and less potential for                   
child abuse and neglect.  According to Ms. Wild-Curry, there                   
were no confirmed cases of child abuse or neglect.                             
                                                                               
She then talked about the high rate of abuse in Alaska and                     
the National Institute of Justice study that linked child                      
abuse and neglect to future juvenile and adult crime.  She                     
shared her expertise in working in this area.                                  
                                                                               
She summarized the need to pay a little for prevention now                     
to avoid paying larger amounts later in terms of money spent                   
and societal impact.  She felt the Healthy Families Program                    
was cost effective.                                                            
                                                                               
RONNIE ROSENBERG testified next via teleconference from                        
Fairbanks.  Her comments were in support of restoration of                     
funding for the GRM program.  She told the committee she                       
worked on a volunteer basis with many GRM beneficiaries.                       
Without this program, she warned, people would not have                        
access to medical care until it was too late.  She gave                        
examples of people suffering seizure disorders and                             
diabetics.  These people could be brought to the hospital                      
only after they experienced seizures or were in a coma, but                    
once recovered, would be released with no way to buy their                     
medication.                                                                    
                                                                               
She offered that if the problem was that the Legislature did                   
not want to fund abortion, or felt that the Administration                     
had misused the funds, there were several mechanisms                           
available that would not violate equal protection                              
requirements.  She gave an analogy to having a pimple and                      
cutting off your head, because only 13 percent of the                          
funding went toward abortion.                                                  
                                                                               
She stressed that something needed to be done for the people                   
who had already fallen through every safety net and were                       
waiting up to three years for SSI determination.  She                          
detailed the reasons for the long delays in the Medicaid                       
qualification, one being the lack of Social Security judge                     
position in Alaska.                                                            
                                                                               
She suggested using a portion of Permanent Fund earnings                       
that would be deposited into the earnings reserve account to                   
fund this program.                                                             
                                                                               
Teleconference testimony was next taken from St. Paul.  JOHN                   
MERCULIEF, the city's manager, spoke in behalf of the St.                      
Paul Harbor Improvement Project.  He told the committee the                    
community was impacted by the fisheries industry and that                      
the city had taken steps to improve their infrastructure to                    
meet the demands placed on the harbor.  He stated that St.                     
Paul had been the second largest contributor of fishery                        
related taxes since 1991.  However, the success of the                         
harbor presented some challenges, he said.  The original                       
design did not anticipate the ongoing and growing need of                      
more than 200 vessels coming and going.  He stressed that                      
the harbor facility was in need of improvement.  Safety and                    
infrastructure were at risk.                                                   
                                                                               
He detailed the current facility operations and the planned                    
improvements listing the funding already secured from the                      
Army Corps of Engineers and proposed St. Paul matching                         
funds.  He continued speaking on the anticipated increased                     
activities and revenues the improved harbor would generate                     
for the state.                                                                 
                                                                               
The committee then heard from the remaining testifiers in                      
the Mat-Su L.I.O. CAROL KANE, Associate Superintendent for                     
the Wasilla School District and representative of the                          
Greater Wasilla Chamber of Commerce spoke via                                  
teleconference.  She read into the record a letter from the                    
Chamber of Commerce in support of the Mat-Su Youth Detention                   
Center.  She also had a list of 15 signatures from members                     
of different social service agencies also in support of the                    
facility.  She listed the agencies represented in the                          
petition.  The groups she represented felt the detention                       
center was important for the wellbeing of their community.                     
                                                                               
The final teleconference speaker from Mat-Su was PATRICIA                      
HICKS.  She told the committee she was a mental health                         
consumer waiting for SSI benefits and that she relied on GMR                   
to provide her medication and therapy.  She agreed that the                    
program should be regulated for pregnant women, but felt                       
that other recipients should not be penalized.                                 
                                                                               
The committee returned to the Anchorage teleconference site                    
to take testimony.  JEFF GROSS [affiliation undecipherable -                   
CEO of the Anchorage Neighborhood Health Center?] requested                    
the reinstatement of the GRM program.  As a community health                   
center, his organization was responsible to provide health                     
care to all persons in need and they were the largest                          
primary care facility in Anchorage.  He listed the number of                   
employees and patients seen each year and told the committee                   
abortions were not preformed in their facilities.  He stated                   
that many patients needed GRM, as it was their only                            
entitlement for medical care.  These were often the poorest                    
and sickest patients.                                                          
                                                                               
ALLISON MENDAL testified next via teleconference from                          
Anchorage.  She also testified in support of GRM.  As an                       
attorney, she had no vested interest in the program, but                       
felt it was immoral for the Legislature to cut funding for                     
the program, which benefited those, least able to defend                       
themselves, access other resources or to campaign against                      
the Legislators.  She referred to other testimony about                        
critical emergency needs being met but not ongoing treatment                   
needs.  She felt it was wrong to strike against the                            
individuals needing services because of prejudice against                      
women who got abortions under the program.  She felt if the                    
Legislator could not address the abortion issue directly,                      
they had no business making decisions about the GRM program.                   
                                                                               
Next to testify via teleconference from Anchorage was                          
REBECCA EAMES, Chief of Field Services for the Division of                     
Public Assistance.  Her comments addressed the operating                       
budget funding for the field component.  She told the                          
committee she was testifying on her own time because she was                   
concerned about the proposed cuts to the Governor's request,                   
which would eliminate staff funding.  She spoke of the new                     
program successes and reduced costs as well as the number of                   
people who had obtained employment and moved off public                        
assistance.  Without funding for the staff positions, she                      
said the division would be unable to do its job of moving                      
people off public assistance.                                                  
                                                                               
JOHN RILEY testified via teleconference from Anchorage.  He                    
was the Medical Co-Director of the Anchorage Neighborhood                      
Health Center and spoke in favor of the GRM program.  He                       
described those covered by the program as earning less than                    
$300 a month.  He talked about the services provided.  In                      
his opinion, the primary benefit of the program was the                        
medication and supply coverage because there was no other                      
resource to cover the medications to stabilize and control                     
conditions.  If left untreated, these conditions had severe                    
and life-threatening complications, according to Mr. Riley,                    
and it was more cost-effective to prevent the complications                    
than to shift the cost of dealing with the complications                       
when the patients were hospitalized.                                           
                                                                               
He concluded saying that GRM was an important part of the                      
safety net for the neediest of Alaskans.                                       
                                                                               
The committee then heard from JEREMY VERMILYEA via                             
teleconference from Anchorage.  He testified in support of                     
full funding for the University of Alaska.  As a U of A                        
graduate and attorney, he felt there were many reasons why                     
full funding was important and he listed a few.  He                            
speculated approximately 50 percent of Alaska residents were                   
in some way connected to the university either as staff,                       
student, alumni or relative of one of the above.  The                          
university was the development of the only true natural                        
resource in Alaska, according to Mr. Vermilyea.                                
                                                                               
He voiced concerns about sending students Outside to obtain                    
their education, saying that three of five of them would not                   
return to the state.  He urged the need to look at                             
university funding as an investment.  He warned that if the                    
investment was not made, the Legislature was not investing                     
in the future of the state.  He pointed out that the state                     
was currently paying outside skilled workers to be employed                    
in high-tech fields.  These employees were then leaving with                   
their earnings rather than reinvesting in the economy, he                      
stated.                                                                        
                                                                               
The next person to testify via teleconference from Anchorage                   
was KEVIN TRITT, the President of the Union of Students of                     
the University of Alaska, Anchorage.  He also supported full                   
funding of the University.  He did recognize however, with                     
the intent of the Republican Majority to reduce the budget,                    
that flat funding might be the best seen.  He still wanted                     
to encourage the Legislature to fund the negotiated union                      
contract.  He spoke of the trend of flat funding the                           
university and no funding of the employee contracts.  He                       
said what was happening was a decrease every year in the                       
amount of general fund support.                                                
                                                                               
He felt the cuts were directly impacting the academic                          
offerings and services and also moral.  He didn't think it                     
was in the best interest of the state and the university to                    
drive students Outside.                                                        
                                                                               
He addressed the issue of alternative funding sources and                      
said he didn't feel the matter had been seriously                              
considered.  He suggested income tax, endowment funds or the                   
use of permanent fund dividends.  He spoke to the political                    
reality that until enough people complained about the cuts,                    
the alternatives would not be considered.                                      
                                                                               
JOHN MORKAL then testified via teleconference from Anchorage                   
in support of University funding.  He served as a Senator                      
with the Union of Students of the University of Alaska,                        
Anchorage, was president of Phi Beta Chapter of Delta Kappa                    
Epsilon, [and was also president of another organization,                      
which was undecipherable].  He asked the committee whether                     
underutilized graduate programs and maintenance of                             
[undecipherable] development in the Fairbanks campus was as                    
important as inadequately funded programs, which were                          
operating at near capacity in the Anchorage campus.  He next                   
urged the committee to avoid using the permanent fund for                      
any reason, particularly to boost the bottom line with an                      
endowment for the university system.  He suggested                             
establishing a land trust and demand responsible development                   
of the U of A lands and other resources available.                             
                                                                               
The last person to be heard via teleconference from                            
Anchorage in this round was MARY JONES-LEWIS.  She                             
introduced herself as a teen service worker for a home                         
visitation program with the Healthy Families program.  She                     
told the committee she worked one on one with families that                    
were having a hard time with everyday life in raising their                    
kids in a health lifestyle.  She stressed that if the                          
program were cut, it would harm the trust and relationships                    
with the participating families.  She spoke about                              
improvements she witnessed with families she had worked                        
with.                                                                          
                                                                               
Senator Phillips, acting chair, called upon testifiers from                    
Valdez to speak.  There was no response from the Valdez site                   
and Senator Phillips moved on to hear from Fairbanks                           
testifiers.                                                                    
                                                                               
DAVID LEONE, Executive Director of the Resource Center for                     
Parents and Children, testified via teleconference from                        
Fairbanks.  He referred to the various testimony heard                         
during the meeting.  He related the difficulties of                            
determining the state budget with what each individual faced                   
with their personal budgets.  He counted 29 testifiers, all                    
but three of whom testified in support of some social, human                   
service or education need.  To him, that said people felt                      
compassionate with people who were having problems, whether                    
they were poor, sick, mentally disabled, children, parents,                    
etc.  He realized this was an election year, but felt that                     
taxes should be imposed to fund these programs.                                
                                                                               
Next to testify was HOLLY ABSHIRE [phonetically spelled] via                   
teleconference from Fairbanks.  She spoke in support of full                   
funding for the University of Alaska, Board of Regent's                        
request, or at least the $3.5 million needed for the                           
employee contracts.  She talked about the importance of the                    
university in her life.  She felt the university had been                      
responsible in making due with less by prioritizing its                        
functions, streamlining and downsizing.  She said it served                    
the state well to provide education for its residents and                      
also attract out of state students with quality education.                     
                                                                               
The final person to testify via teleconference from                            
Fairbanks was JOHN SLONE [phonetically spelled].  He told                      
the committee he was an insulin dependent diabetic and had                     
benefited from the GMR program.  He detailed the damage                        
caused by untreated diabetes and the two-year process it                       
took before he was able to receive Medicaid benefits.  The                     
GMR program was the only way he was able to receive                            
treatment and medication in the interim.                                       
                                                                               
Senator Phillips again called upon the Valdez site and then                    
the Tok site with no response from either.  He then called                     
upon Kenai.                                                                    
                                                                               
JOANN HAGEN was first to testify via teleconference from                       
Kenai.  She spoke on behalf of the Kenai Public Health                         
Center and described the services they provided and the                        
facility they occupied.  She told the committee they worked                    
out of the basement of the Kenai City Hall, which the clinic                   
had outgrown.  She stressed that the crowded conditions were                   
unsafe for clients or staff and were inaccessible for                          
wheelchair bound patients.  She urged the committee fund the                   
new health center facility.                                                    
                                                                               
The next person to testify via teleconference from Kenai was                   
Mayor MIKE NAVARRE.  He told the committee it would be                         
receiving a copy of a resolution passed by the Kenai                           
Peninsula Borough Assembly in support of some of the                           
initiatives proposed for use with the Medicaid funding.                        
This included early intervention, child protection and                         
extending insurance coverage for uninsured and underinsured.                   
                                                                               
He also spoke in support of the Kenai Public Health Center.                    
The City of Kenai would donate the land for the facility and                   
the Kenai Peninsula Borough was considering the feasibility                    
of establishing the health center and the hospital in one                      
location, according to Mr. Navarre.  He made further                           
comments about the funding sources to operate the proposed                     
facility and the inadequacies of the current facility.                         
                                                                               
The final person to testify via teleconference from Kenai                      
was KATHY SCOTT.  She also spoke in favor of funding for the                   
Kenai Public Health Center.  She told the committee of a                       
report she did under contract for the City of Kenai about                      
the health center.  She focused on potential OSHA                              
liabilities of continued operation from the current facility                   
and listed the many safety violations.  She pointed out that                   
the facility was not ADA accessible.                                           
                                                                               
Senator Phillips called upon people from Kodiak to testify.                    
There was no response from the site.  He then called upon                      
MERRITT MITCHELL to testify via teleconference from Homer.                     
He spoke on behalf of the University of Alaska as the holder                   
of the statewide seat on the University of Alaska Alumni                       
Board of Directors.  He also sat on the Katchemak Bay Campus                   
Community Advisory Council.  He urged full funding of the                      
University budget as well as funding for the employee                          
contracts.  He supported an income tax and use of the                          
permanent fund to fund university functions.                                   
                                                                               
Also testifying via teleconference from Homer was RICH                         
PATTON.  He represented the Association of Site Councils of                    
the South Peninsula Schools and he listed the makeup of the                    
organization.  He requested increased school funding for the                   
Kenai Peninsula.  He told the committee he would be faxing a                   
petition of 300 signatures from parents asking for the                         
school funding.                                                                
                                                                               
Senator Phillips called upon the sites in Valdez, Kodiak,                      
Tok and Anchorage with no responses.                                           
                                                                               
There was one person to testify via teleconference from                        
Sitka, DEFIANCE GREGG. She told the committee she was a                        
lobbyist for the poor.  She spoke in favor of funding for                      
the General Medical Relief program.                                            
                                                                               
Tape #139 Side A                                                               
                                                                               
The committee resumed hearing from the Anchorage                               
teleconference site.  CONNIE MARKIS testified in support of                    
the GMR program.                                                               
                                                                               
SHARLENE LOCOSHONAS testified next via teleconference from                     
Anchorage.  She spoke of being a recipient of GMR benefits                     
and the program's importance to her and others in financial                    
crisis. She shared her experiences with vision services and                    
medication provided under the GRM program. She said                            
charities only covered some of the necessary services and                      
couldn't be counted on to make up the difference.                              
                                                                               
The committee heard statements from two people in Naknek.                      
First was LYNN BENFIELD.  As a commercial fisher, she spoke                    
in favor of the Fish and Game advisory committee system,                       
which she was a member of the local committee.  She urged                      
the committee to fully fund the advisory committee program                     
and other ADF&G requests. She gave her opinion as to the                       
importance of advisory committees in the regulatory process.                   
She spoke of over 60 percent funding reductions to the                         
department over the last 13 years.  She stressed the                           
importance and self-sufficiency of the commercial fishing                      
industry                                                                       
                                                                               
The other person to testify via teleconference from Naknek                     
was SUE ASPELUND.  She was the Secretary of the                                
Naknek/Kvelak Fish and Game Advisory Committee and spoke in                    
support of funding for the advisory committee system.  She                     
also opposed cuts to the Board Support System of the Board                     
of Fisheries and the Board of Game and told the committee of                   
their importance.  She concluded by voicing her support for                    
funding of the Fish and Wildlife Service to adequately                         
enforce the regulations.                                                       
                                                                               
Senator Sharp advised that the Fish and Game Advisory                          
Committees were being funded at the same level as the year                     
before.                                                                        
                                                                               
The committee began hearing testimony from Dillingam,                          
beginning with ROSE FISHER.  She testified in support of the                   
Dillingham Senior Assisted Living program.  She shared                         
experiences as the past director of the local senior center.                   
She told of hardships of elders and their families whose                       
care needs could not be met in the community.  Organizations                   
have been working to find economic ways to serve the needs                     
of the elderly without resorting to sending them to                            
Anchorage for long-term care, according to Ms. Fisher.  She                    
listed the groups involved in a task force.  She urged the                     
Legislature to consider the economic benefits of providing                     
services to the seniors in Dillingham rather than sending                      
them to hospitals in Anchorage.                                                
                                                                               
She referred to the economic hardships in the Bristol Bay                      
area due to poor fishing and the suggestion that the senior                    
housing project should receive a smaller share of the                          
allocation.  She didn't think that was fair to the elderly                     
and the people who had worked hard on the project.                             
                                                                               
JOYCE WOJCIEHOWSKI was the other person who testified via                      
teleconference from Dillingham.  She was a nurse at Naknek                     
Hospital and worked for the Bristol Bay Health Corporation.                    
She testified in support of the Healthy Families program.                      
She felt there would be wonderful long-term benefits from                      
the program.                                                                   
                                                                               
The committee returned to hearing testimony from Anchorage                     
and KIRA MORRIS spoke next.  She told the committee her                        
experience with heart trouble. She suffered a heart attach,                    
lost her job and had to rely on the GRM for her medical                        
needs.  She was concerned the program would be eliminated                      
and stressed that if she did not receive the medications                       
provided by GRM she would die.                                                 
                                                                               
JENNY MURRY testified next via teleconference from                             
Anchorage.  She spoke on behalf of the American Cancer                         
Society.  She urged the committee to match the House of                        
Representative's funding for tobacco control programs.  She                    
reminded the committee of the testimony heard last year in                     
support of the tobacco tax.  Of those testifiers, most                         
supported the use of tax revenues for tobacco programs,                        
according to Ms. Murry.  She detailed the revenues generated                   
and the percentage requested for tobacco control programs.                     
She gave statistics of the medical consequences of smoking.                    
                                                                               
Senator Phillips called upon the Mat-Su site to hear                           
testimony.  There was no response.                                             
                                                                               
Senator Phillips called upon GAIL SMITH to testify in person                   
in Juneau.  She spoke in favor of full funding for state                       
parks.  She had been involved in parks related organizations                   
in Kodiak.  She pointed out that state parks offered                           
recreational opportunities for low income Alaskans.  She                       
applauded the efforts of the parks programs to absorb past                     
cuts.                                                                          
                                                                               
The committee returned to hearing testimony from the                           
Anchorage teleconference site.  Next to speak was BONNIE                       
LONG, Nurse Manager for the Municipality of Anchorage Health                   
Department.  She spoke in support of funding for the                           
statewide immunization program.  She told the committee that                   
Alaska was ranked third worst in its immunization rates.                       
She gave further figures.  The Center for Disease Control                      
provided the state with the necessary vaccines, according to                   
Ms. Long.  However, the CDC did not provide funding for                        
staff.  She stressed the need for the state to provide                         
funding to implement the immunization program.  She detailed                   
some diseases and warned of their return to the state if the                   
immunizations were not performed.                                              
                                                                               
The next person to testify was LAVON CUNNINGHAM.  She was                      
linked to the meeting off-line from an alternative site in                     
Anchorage.  She told the committee she was severely injured                    
in an accident and lost her legs.  She was in the                              
application process for Medicaid services but had been told                    
that in the meantime, her medication could be taken away                       
with the elimination of the GRM program.  She spoke of her                     
financial difficulties and the fact that the accident was                      
not her fault.                                                                 
                                                                               
Senator Donley asked if the injuries were a result of an                       
auto accident and if the driver was uninsured.  Ms.                            
Cunningham replied that the driver was insured but that the                    
insurance had run out.                                                         
                                                                               
Senator Phillips called upon the Nome site without response.                   
He called upon DEBBIE HUDSON to testify via teleconference                     
from Anchorage.  She was a volunteer court appointed                           
advocate for abuse and neglected children.  She urged                          
support of funding for the Smart Start program.  She felt                      
funding was needed for more social workers as well as for                      
the Office of Public Advocacy.  She gave figures of the                        
workloads of OPA employees.  She warned that the state would                   
pay dearly for not acting now.                                                 
                                                                               
The committee heard from two more people via teleconference                    
from Fairbanks.  DIANE JOHNSON opposed cuts to Medicare.                       
She referred to an emergency welfare program in place prior                    
to the pipeline construction for people who were sick,                         
injured or disabled.  She said that since the end of that                      
program, Alaskans had to leave the state for medical                           
assistance.  She said she knew people who had gone to jail                     
in order to get medical help.  She spoke against the                           
providers of workers compensation insurance and the                            
"religious right" who opposed publicly funded abortion.  She                   
said the state would need to construct orphanages to                           
accommodate the unwanted children.                                             
                                                                               
Next to testify via teleconference from Fairbanks was ANDY                     
HARRINGTON.  He represented the Arctic Alliance.  He was an                    
attorney who represented clients in trying to obtain SSI                       
benefits who meanwhile were served by the GRM program.  He                     
spoke of the difficulties and delays in getting Medicaid                       
coverage and that the only source of medical services while                    
waiting acceptance was GRM.  He stated that taking away the                    
program would remove the most vital part of the individual's                   
medical needs.  He felt this was especially true for non-                      
native rural residents.  He pointed out that determination                     
for Medicaid qualification was contingent upon participation                   
in the GRM program.  In his opinion, if an individual was                      
not on GRM, their chance for acceptance into the Medicaid                      
program was almost nonexistent.                                                
                                                                               
He understood the goal to eliminate publicly funded                            
abortions, but felt the entire program should not be made to                   
suffer.  Congress found a way to constitutionally prohibit                     
Medicaid coverage of abortions, and Mr. Harrington felt the                    
Legislature should be able to find a way also.                                 
                                                                               
LOUISE BRITTON was next to testify via teleconference from                     
Anchorage.  She told the committee she had worked with the                     
Southcentral Foundation Native Health.  She spoke to the                       
Native Head Start program, which she said was essential to                     
the Native children in Anchorage.  She detailed specifics of                   
whom the program served and the number of people involved.                     
                                                                               
Dr. MADELEIN GRANT testified next via teleconference from                      
Anchorage.  She was an internist and came before the                           
committee to advocate for her patients, many of whom were on                   
the GRM program.  She asked the committee to reinstate the                     
program siting the lack of alternatives.  She spoke of                         
patients unable to pay for medication because they would not                   
have money to buy food.  She detailed the high costs of the                    
medical services and said it was unfair to say the doctors                     
should write off the expenses.  She told the committee about                   
some of the serious cases she handled and the expensive                        
services required for treatment.  She urged the committee                      
members to think of someone in their lives who experienced                     
serious medical conditions and were without insurance.                         
                                                                               
Senator Phillips again called upon the remote sites with                       
none responding.                                                               
                                                                               
He then called upon ANNE GORE to testify via teleconference                    
from Anchorage.  She worked with disadvantaged populations.                    
She urged each committee member to look at their attire and                    
speculated that the value of their clothing was more than                      
the $300 monthly maximum allowed for qualification into the                    
GRM program.  She stressed that without the services                           
provided by the GRM program many people would die.                             
                                                                               
VERGIL NORTON testified next from Anchorage via                                
teleconference.  He directed his comments toward SB 281 plus                   
the budget.  He was concerned about the Department of                          
Environmental Conservation.  He voiced concerns for the                        
poorest of the poor.  He felt money allocated for the DEC to                   
clean up privately owned sites could be better spend on the                    
GMR program.  He continued sharing his opinions on the DEC.                    
He said he was opposed to abortion. He spoke about a House                     
committee hearing he attended relating to DEC.                                 
                                                                               
The next person to speak was JOHN CRAVEN, who spoke via                        
teleconference from Fairbanks.  He was a professor of                          
physics at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks, a member of                    
the Geophysical Institute, chair of the UAF Faculty                            
Alliance, president of the UAF Faculty Senate and a member                     
of the UA System Government Council.  He spoke about funding                   
for the university.  He told the committee that, students                      
and faculty were trying to continue the business of learning                   
despite the continued budget cuts.  He talked about the high                   
costs of administration.  He also talked about the students                    
as a natural resource for the state.                                           
                                                                               
Senator Donley asked what Mr. Craven's course load was and                     
the number of students he taught each semester.  Mr. Craven                    
detailed his assignment to the Geophysical Institute and his                   
part-time teaching status.  He said he taught two courses a                    
semester with a student count of about 30.                                     
                                                                               
SHAWNALEE WHITNEY testified next via teleconference from                       
Anchorage.  She was an assistant professor of communications                   
and co-director of Forensics at the University of Alaska,                      
Anchorage.  She said in teaching communications, she taught                    
students how to have a voice in the civic process.  She                        
spoke of frustrations in contacts with lawmakers and the                       
inability to obtain adequate funding.  She talked about the                    
affects of the flat funding and the cuts the university had                    
made to adjust.  She said cultural aspects of the university                   
were also very important, giving examples.  Accreditation                      
was threatened, according to Ms. Whitney.                                      
                                                                               
Senator Donley made comments about the Anchorage campus and                    
the class load.  He asked Ms. Whitney how many classes she                     
taught and the number of students.  She gave details about                     
her contract to teach a certain number of classes in both                      
subjects and gave an estimate of the total number of                           
students.  Senator Donley clarified that she had four                          
classes with an average of 27 per class, which Ms. Whitney                     
affirmed and expanded.                                                         
                                                                               
Next to testify via teleconference from Anchorage was STEVEN                   
JOHNSON.  He was also a faculty member of the University of                    
Alaska and a coach of the debate team.  He voiced his                          
support of funding for U of A.                                                 
                                                                               
Tape #139 Side B, 8:40 p.m.                                                    
                                                                               
Mr. Johnson summarized by sharing experiences of coaching                      
the debate team. He had difficulty recruiting students to                      
come the university and join the debate team because they                      
didn't perceive the U of A as a viable option for their                        
education needs.  He stated that the best and brightest high                   
school students in the state were going Outside to attend                      
school.  He told the committee this was their opportunity                      
for leadership and referred to the McDowell study.                             
                                                                               
The final person to testify before the committee was PATRICK                   
WRIGHT, who spoke via teleconference from Anchorage.  He was                   
the chair of the Anchorage Fish and Game Advisory Committee.                   
He voiced concerns over the proposed funding for the                           
advisory committee system.  He stated that members of the                      
advisory committees were the grass roots of democracy.  He                     
detailed the activities of the committees and their                            
associated costs.  He said their budget was spent for the                      
fiscal year and they had to cancel the next meeting because                    
they could not pay the rent for the meeting space.  He                         
criticized the ADF&G commissioner for shifts in budget.  He                    
suggested that the advisory committees should be moved to                      
the Boards and Commissions Section or the Department of                        
Community and Regional Affairs.                                                
                                                                               
This concluded public testimony.  Co-Chair Pearce announced                    
the next day's meeting to close out the FY99 Operating                         
Budget.  The process would continue on Sunday with the                         
consideration of amendments.                                                   
                                                                               
                                                                               
ADJOURNMENT                                                                    
                                                                               
Co-Chair Pearce adjourned the meeting at approximately                         
8:45 p.m.                                                                      
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