Legislature(1993 - 1994)

01/17/1994 11:00 AM Senate FIN

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                    SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                   
                        January 17, 1994                                       
                           11:00 a.m.                                          
                                                                               
  TAPES                                                                        
                                                                               
  SFC-94, #3, Side 1 (000-end)                                                 
  SFC-94, #3, Side 2 (end-250)                                                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  CALL TO ORDER                                                                
                                                                               
  Senator  Steve  Frank,  Co-chair,  convened the  meeting  at                 
  approximately 11:00 a.m.                                                     
                                                                               
  PRESENT                                                                      
                                                                               
  In addition to  Co-chairs Frank and Pearce,  Senators Sharp,                 
  Kerttula, and Jacko were present.  Senators Rieger and Kelly                 
  did not attend.                                                              
                                                                               
  ALSO  ATTENDING:    Shelby Stastny,  Director  of  Office of                 
  Management & Budget,  Office of the Governor;  Nancy Slagle,                 
  Director, Division of Budget Review,  Office of Management &                 
  Budget; Mike Greany, Director, Legislative Finance Division;                 
  Kathryn   Daughhetee,  Fred   Fisher,  Dana   LaTour,  Susan                 
  Sorensen,  Virginia  Stonkus,  and  Jetta Whittaker,  fiscal                 
  analysts,  Legislative   Finance  Division;  and   aides  to                 
  committee members and other members of the legislature.                      
                                                                               
  SUMMARY INFORMATION                                                          
                                                                               
  HB 370 -  APPROP: FY 95 OPERATING AND LOAN BUDGET                            
                                                                               
       Presentations were  made by Shelby Stastny, Director of                 
       Office of Management & Budget,  Office of the Governor;                 
       and Nancy Slagle, Director,  Division of Budget Review,                 
       Office of Management & Budget.                                          
                                                                               
       Mike  Greany,  Director,  Legislative Finance  Division                 
       introduced Legislative Finance analysts.                                
                                                                               
                  OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT & BUDGET OVERVIEW                       
                                                                               
  Co-chair Frank invited Shelby Stastny, Director of Office of                 
  Management  &  Budget,  Office of  the  Governor,  and Nancy                 
  Slagle, Director,  Division  of  Budget  Review,  Office  of                 
  Management & Budget to come before the committee.                            
                                                                               
  SHELBY  STASTNY  stated  that  the  Office of  Management  &                 
  Budget's  budget  was  the  same  as  introduced  after  the                 
  Governor's state of the budget address with the exception of                 
  the Alaska Court System.  He  said that the budget was  kept                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  the same in nominal dollars with  the exception of the areas                 
  that the Governor  thought needed additional attention.   In                 
  response to  Senator Kerttula, he explained  nominal dollars                 
  meant  that inflation  is ignored.   The areas  the Governor                 
  felt needed attention were the  Department of Public Safety,                 
  specifically the addition  of State Troopers and  the Fish &                 
  Wildlife  Protection  Officers, Department  of Law  with the                 
  addition   of   2   prosecutors,  and   the   Department  of                 
  Transportation  highway   maintenance.    He   directed  the                 
  committee's attention  to a  handout titled  "FY95 Operating                 
  Budget Comparison  to FY94  (general funds  only)" (copy  on                 
  file).                                                                       
                                                                               
  Discussion  followed   between  Mr.  Stastny   and  Senators                 
  Kerttula,  and  Frank  regarding specific  additions  to the                 
  budget, need for state troopers' and their salaries, success                 
  of  the  trooper  academy,  the  court system  budget,  etc.                 
  Senator   Kerttula   voiced   his  concern   regarding   the                 
  departments cut.   Mr. Stastny  concurred pointing out  cuts                 
  have reached  25 to  28 percent.   Co-chair  Frank commented                 
  that many though were automatically reinstated the following                 
  year.                                                                        
                                                                               
  Discussion was held by Senator Kerttula, Co-chair Frank, and                 
  Mr.  Stastny  regarding  the  existing  agreement  that  the                 
  administration would  not interfere with the  court system's                 
  budget and their stance as a separate branch of government.                  
                                                                               
  Mr.  Stastny  reiterated  the administration's  goal  was to                 
  present a budget  that was  the same or  less dollar  amount                 
  than the prior  year knowing that  there was an increase  in                 
  formula programs.   It was suggested to the departments that                 
  if there  were additional  items added  other items  must be                 
  reduced  or  revenues found  to pay  for  the increase.   In                 
  response to Senator Kerttula, Mr.  Stastny said the spending                 
  plan is a 5  year forecast.   In the first year,  additional                 
  revenue of $128M is  proposed to be raised by  different tax                 
  methods.  Senator  Kerttula pointed out that  Alaska's taxes                 
  were the  lowest  in the  United States,  and that  Alaska's                 
  residents want the services but do not want to pay for them.                 
  As a result local  government is carrying the brunt  of this                 
  load and it did not make sense to ask them to carry any more                 
  of the burden.                                                               
                                                                               
  Mr. Stastny concurred with Senator  Kerttula saying that the                 
  budget cannot  be reduced  enough to  solve the gap  between                 
  revenue projections  and expenditures.   The  administration                 
  and the legislature need to  educate the people that  budget                 
  reductions cannot  make up the deficit.   He agreed however,                 
  an effort must be made to keep the budget down.                              
                                                                               
  Co-chair Frank asked  if the administration had  anything in                 
  work to reduce costs  or cause increases.  Mr.  Stastny said                 
  legislation  has  been   introduced  to  consolidate  senior                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  services in the  interest of  efficiency.  Senator  Kerttula                 
  said there must be some areas other than seniors or the poor                 
  to cut in order to reduce the budget.                                        
                                                                               
  Co-chair Frank reiterated  that it was inappropriate  to ask                 
  small communities  to cut  their budgets  further while  the                 
  state holds its departments harmless.  Mr. Stastny concurred                 
  but said that as oil revenues go down,  municipal assistance                 
  and  revenue  sharing are  reduced since  it  is based  on a                 
  percentage.  Senators  Kerttula and  Jacko pointed out  that                 
  many  smaller  communities do  not  have the  opportunity to                 
  produce  additional  revenues.     Reducing  or  eliminating                 
  municipal  assistance  and revenue  sharing  pushes progress                 
  back 10-15  years and will halt basic utilities and progress                 
  made in those small communities.   Mr. Stastny believed that                 
  those areas need to be given special consideration.                          
                                                                               
  Senator  Jacko   voiced  his  opposition   and  asked   what                 
  consideration was given  to an  additional tax being  levied                 
  against a fishery where over 1100 permits are in jeopardy of                 
  being  lost  to  back taxes.    Mr.  Stastny  said that  the                 
  administration's policy  says the  resource must be  managed                 
  and used for  all citizens  of Alaska.   The limited  access                 
  granted must  reimburse the other  members of the  state for                 
  taking that resource.  He agreed  that there are significant                 
  concerns  about  the  fishing  industry.    The  bill  would                 
  initiate a nominal royalty  of 2 percent this year,  with an                 
  increase to 5 percent in a few years.  If a permit generates                 
  less than $10,000 a year,  the tax would be refunded to  the                 
  fisherman.    Senator Jacko  pointed  out there  are already                 
  existing taxes that  fishermen pay.  Mr.  Stastny maintained                 
  the existing  taxes paid for government services and not for                 
  the use of the resources.                                                    
                                                                               
  Co-chair  Frank  asked  if  the Department  of  Corrections'                 
  budget would be  handled by budget amendments.   Mr. Stastny                 
  was surprised  by  that  comment and  agreed  he  would  not                 
  support any budget  amendments that do not  have extenuating                 
  circumstances.   Mr.  Stastny  said supplementals  would not                 
  exceed a maximum of  $40M.  He indicated, for  example, that                 
  the Department of  Law was  being funded at  50 percent  and                 
  would require additional funds, and the Department of Health                 
  &  Social   Services  have   decisions  to  make   regarding                 
  additional programs.                                                         
                                                                               
  NANCY SLAGLE indicated, in response  to Co-chair Frank, that                 
  the supplemental budget is  due the 30th day of  the session                 
  and that it  would be ready  before then.  Senator  Kerttula                 
  asked  for information  on the hold  harmless program.   Mr.                 
  Stastny agreed that it was an area to investigate.                           
                                                                               
  End SFC-93 #3, Side 1                                                        
  Begin SFC-93 #3, Side 2                                                      
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Senator Sharp  asked the administration's stance on allowing                 
  additional University of Alaska land  selections in order to                 
  enlarge  its   land  base   and  future   revenue  producing                 
  capability.  Mr.  Stastny agreed to investigate  it further,                 
  but did  not believe the administration was totally in favor                 
  of it.                                                                       
                                                                               
  Senator Sharp  asked the status  of the  SBS executive  life                 
  account.  Mr.  Stastny said  the assistant attorney  general                 
  Jim Baldwin informed  him that a  final settlement could  be                 
  made  but  others involved  are  balking at  the settlement.                 
  Negotiations  are on-going but  it is  unknown at  this time                 
  when a settlement will be made.                                              
                                                                               
  Mr. Stastny stated the expansion of  Spring Creek by 50 beds                 
  in  the  Department  of  Corrections  will  cause  a  budget                 
  amendment in  the amount of  $500,000.  Co-chair  Frank felt                 
  that was too high.                                                           
                                                                               
  In response to Co-chair Frank, Mr. Stastny said his goal was                 
  to introduce the capital budget by the end of January and it                 
  would include the capital matching grant within the $100M.                   
                                                                               
  Co-chair  Frank  stated  that  the  legislature  was  indeed                 
  interested in  reducing the operating  costs of  government.                 
  Mr.  Stastny   answered  that   his  departments   had  been                 
  instructed to  follow  that  philosophy  and  had  requested                 
  cooperation,  information  and  ideas  to   assist  in  that                 
  process.                                                                     
                                                                               
  Senator  Kerttula  and  Co-chair   Frank  discussed  revenue                 
  enhancement and related legislation.                                         
                                                                               
  Co-chair  Frank  asked  Mike  Greany, Director,  Legislative                 
  Finance Division, to introduce the fiscal analysts and their                 
  budget assignments.   Senator Kerttula  was critical of  the                 
  loss of so  many of the staff  and asked the reason  for the                 
  high turnover.  Mr. Greany stated the personnel loss was due                 
  to promotions  and  completely voluntary.    He went  on  to                 
  introduce  the  analysts   and  their  responsibilities   as                 
  follows: Kathryn  Daughhetee, Dept.  of Corrections,  Alaska                 
  Court System,  Dept. of  Law, Dept.  of Public  Safety; Fred                 
  Fisher,  Dept.  of  Military  &  Veteran Affairs,  Dept.  of                 
  Natural  Resources,   Dept.  of   Transportation  &   Public                 
  Facilities; Dana LaTour, Dept. of Education, Dept. of Labor,                 
  University  of  Alaska; Susan  Sorensen,  Dept. of  Health &                 
  Social Services, Dept. of Administration; Virginia  Stonkus,                 
  Dept. of Environmental  Conservation, Dept. of Fish  & Game,                 
  Dept.  of  Community &  Regional  Affairs;  Jetta Whittaker,                 
  Dept. of Commerce & Economic  Development, Dept. of Revenue,                 
  Loan Programs, and revenue analysis with Mike Greany, who is                 
  also responsible for  the Office  of the  Governor, and  the                 
  Legislature.                                                                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  ADJOURNMENT                                                                  
                                                                               
  The meeting was adjourned at approximately 12:00 p.m.                        

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