Legislature(1993 - 1994)
01/17/1994 11:00 AM Senate FIN
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MINUTES SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE January 17, 1994 11:00 a.m. TAPES SFC-94, #3, Side 1 (000-end) SFC-94, #3, Side 2 (end-250) CALL TO ORDER Senator Steve Frank, Co-chair, convened the meeting at approximately 11:00 a.m. PRESENT In addition to Co-chairs Frank and Pearce, Senators Sharp, Kerttula, and Jacko were present. Senators Rieger and Kelly did not attend. ALSO ATTENDING: Shelby Stastny, Director of Office of Management & Budget, Office of the Governor; Nancy Slagle, Director, Division of Budget Review, Office of Management & Budget; Mike Greany, Director, Legislative Finance Division; Kathryn Daughhetee, Fred Fisher, Dana LaTour, Susan Sorensen, Virginia Stonkus, and Jetta Whittaker, fiscal analysts, Legislative Finance Division; and aides to committee members and other members of the legislature. SUMMARY INFORMATION HB 370 - APPROP: FY 95 OPERATING AND LOAN BUDGET Presentations were made by Shelby Stastny, Director of Office of Management & Budget, Office of the Governor; and Nancy Slagle, Director, Division of Budget Review, Office of Management & Budget. Mike Greany, Director, Legislative Finance Division introduced Legislative Finance analysts. OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT & BUDGET OVERVIEW Co-chair Frank invited Shelby Stastny, Director of Office of Management & Budget, Office of the Governor, and Nancy Slagle, Director, Division of Budget Review, Office of Management & Budget to come before the committee. SHELBY STASTNY stated that the Office of Management & Budget's budget was the same as introduced after the Governor's state of the budget address with the exception of the Alaska Court System. He said that the budget was kept the same in nominal dollars with the exception of the areas that the Governor thought needed additional attention. In response to Senator Kerttula, he explained nominal dollars meant that inflation is ignored. The areas the Governor felt needed attention were the Department of Public Safety, specifically the addition of State Troopers and the Fish & Wildlife Protection Officers, Department of Law with the addition of 2 prosecutors, and the Department of Transportation highway maintenance. He directed the committee's attention to a handout titled "FY95 Operating Budget Comparison to FY94 (general funds only)" (copy on file). Discussion followed between Mr. Stastny and Senators Kerttula, and Frank regarding specific additions to the budget, need for state troopers' and their salaries, success of the trooper academy, the court system budget, etc. Senator Kerttula voiced his concern regarding the departments cut. Mr. Stastny concurred pointing out cuts have reached 25 to 28 percent. Co-chair Frank commented that many though were automatically reinstated the following year. Discussion was held by Senator Kerttula, Co-chair Frank, and Mr. Stastny regarding the existing agreement that the administration would not interfere with the court system's budget and their stance as a separate branch of government. Mr. Stastny reiterated the administration's goal was to present a budget that was the same or less dollar amount than the prior year knowing that there was an increase in formula programs. It was suggested to the departments that if there were additional items added other items must be reduced or revenues found to pay for the increase. In response to Senator Kerttula, Mr. Stastny said the spending plan is a 5 year forecast. In the first year, additional revenue of $128M is proposed to be raised by different tax methods. Senator Kerttula pointed out that Alaska's taxes were the lowest in the United States, and that Alaska's residents want the services but do not want to pay for them. As a result local government is carrying the brunt of this load and it did not make sense to ask them to carry any more of the burden. Mr. Stastny concurred with Senator Kerttula saying that the budget cannot be reduced enough to solve the gap between revenue projections and expenditures. The administration and the legislature need to educate the people that budget reductions cannot make up the deficit. He agreed however, an effort must be made to keep the budget down. Co-chair Frank asked if the administration had anything in work to reduce costs or cause increases. Mr. Stastny said legislation has been introduced to consolidate senior services in the interest of efficiency. Senator Kerttula said there must be some areas other than seniors or the poor to cut in order to reduce the budget. Co-chair Frank reiterated that it was inappropriate to ask small communities to cut their budgets further while the state holds its departments harmless. Mr. Stastny concurred but said that as oil revenues go down, municipal assistance and revenue sharing are reduced since it is based on a percentage. Senators Kerttula and Jacko pointed out that many smaller communities do not have the opportunity to produce additional revenues. Reducing or eliminating municipal assistance and revenue sharing pushes progress back 10-15 years and will halt basic utilities and progress made in those small communities. Mr. Stastny believed that those areas need to be given special consideration. Senator Jacko voiced his opposition and asked what consideration was given to an additional tax being levied against a fishery where over 1100 permits are in jeopardy of being lost to back taxes. Mr. Stastny said that the administration's policy says the resource must be managed and used for all citizens of Alaska. The limited access granted must reimburse the other members of the state for taking that resource. He agreed that there are significant concerns about the fishing industry. The bill would initiate a nominal royalty of 2 percent this year, with an increase to 5 percent in a few years. If a permit generates less than $10,000 a year, the tax would be refunded to the fisherman. Senator Jacko pointed out there are already existing taxes that fishermen pay. Mr. Stastny maintained the existing taxes paid for government services and not for the use of the resources. Co-chair Frank asked if the Department of Corrections' budget would be handled by budget amendments. Mr. Stastny was surprised by that comment and agreed he would not support any budget amendments that do not have extenuating circumstances. Mr. Stastny said supplementals would not exceed a maximum of $40M. He indicated, for example, that the Department of Law was being funded at 50 percent and would require additional funds, and the Department of Health & Social Services have decisions to make regarding additional programs. NANCY SLAGLE indicated, in response to Co-chair Frank, that the supplemental budget is due the 30th day of the session and that it would be ready before then. Senator Kerttula asked for information on the hold harmless program. Mr. Stastny agreed that it was an area to investigate. End SFC-93 #3, Side 1 Begin SFC-93 #3, Side 2 Senator Sharp asked the administration's stance on allowing additional University of Alaska land selections in order to enlarge its land base and future revenue producing capability. Mr. Stastny agreed to investigate it further, but did not believe the administration was totally in favor of it. Senator Sharp asked the status of the SBS executive life account. Mr. Stastny said the assistant attorney general Jim Baldwin informed him that a final settlement could be made but others involved are balking at the settlement. Negotiations are on-going but it is unknown at this time when a settlement will be made. Mr. Stastny stated the expansion of Spring Creek by 50 beds in the Department of Corrections will cause a budget amendment in the amount of $500,000. Co-chair Frank felt that was too high. In response to Co-chair Frank, Mr. Stastny said his goal was to introduce the capital budget by the end of January and it would include the capital matching grant within the $100M. Co-chair Frank stated that the legislature was indeed interested in reducing the operating costs of government. Mr. Stastny answered that his departments had been instructed to follow that philosophy and had requested cooperation, information and ideas to assist in that process. Senator Kerttula and Co-chair Frank discussed revenue enhancement and related legislation. Co-chair Frank asked Mike Greany, Director, Legislative Finance Division, to introduce the fiscal analysts and their budget assignments. Senator Kerttula was critical of the loss of so many of the staff and asked the reason for the high turnover. Mr. Greany stated the personnel loss was due to promotions and completely voluntary. He went on to introduce the analysts and their responsibilities as follows: Kathryn Daughhetee, Dept. of Corrections, Alaska Court System, Dept. of Law, Dept. of Public Safety; Fred Fisher, Dept. of Military & Veteran Affairs, Dept. of Natural Resources, Dept. of Transportation & Public Facilities; Dana LaTour, Dept. of Education, Dept. of Labor, University of Alaska; Susan Sorensen, Dept. of Health & Social Services, Dept. of Administration; Virginia Stonkus, Dept. of Environmental Conservation, Dept. of Fish & Game, Dept. of Community & Regional Affairs; Jetta Whittaker, Dept. of Commerce & Economic Development, Dept. of Revenue, Loan Programs, and revenue analysis with Mike Greany, who is also responsible for the Office of the Governor, and the Legislature. ADJOURNMENT The meeting was adjourned at approximately 12:00 p.m.
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