Legislature(1993 - 1994)

01/28/1993 03:30 PM Senate FIN

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                          JOINT MEETING                                        
                    SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                   
                 SENATE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE                               
                  Senate Finance Committee Room                                
                        January 28, 1993                                       
                            3:30 p.m.                                          
                                                                               
  TAPES                                                                        
                                                                               
  SFC-93, #17, Side 2 (525-end)                                                
  SFC-93, #19, Side 1 (000-563)                                                
                                                                               
  CALL TO ORDER                                                                
                                                                               
  Senator   Bert   Sharp,   Chairman,  Senate   Transportation                 
  Committee called the joint meeting of the Senate Finance and                 
  Senate Transportation  committees to order  at approximately                 
  3:20 p.m.                                                                    
                                                                               
  PRESENT                                                                      
                                                                               
  The following members attended:                                              
                                                                               
       Senate Finance                Senate Transportation                     
                                                                               
       Senator Pearce                Senator Sharp                             
       Senator Frank                 Senator Kerttula                          
       Senator Kelly                 Senator Kelly                             
       Senator Rieger                Senator Phillips                          
       Senator Sharp                 Senator Lincoln                           
       Senator Kerttula                                                        
                                                                               
  ALSO PRESENT:   Senator Little; Frank  Turpin, Commissioner,                 
  Dept. of Transportation and Public Facilities; Keith Gerken,                 
  Deputy Commissioner,  Dept.  of  Transportation  and  Public                 
  Facilities;  Ron Lind,  Director  of  Plans,  Programs,  and                 
  Budget,  Dept. of Transportation  and Public Facilities; Dan                 
  Keck,  Mayor of  Sitka; Jerry  Heimbuck, Assistant  Division                 
  Administrator,  Federal  Highways,  Alaska   Division;  Jeff                 
  Hoover, fiscal  analyst, Legislative  Finance Division;  and                 
  aides  to  committee  members  and   other  members  of  the                 
  legislature.                                                                 
                                                                               
  SUMMARY INFORMATION                                                          
                                                                               
       An overview  of the  impact of  the federal  Intermodal                 
       Surface Transportation  Efficiency Act of  1991 (ISTEA)                 
       was presented  by the Commissioner  and representatives                 
       of the Dept. of Transportation and Public Facilities.                   
                                                                               
  Upon  convening  the  meeting, Senator  Sharp  advised  of a                 
  listen-only teleconference link to  Anchorage and Fairbanks.                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  FRANK  TURPIN,  Commissioner,  Dept.  of Transportation  and                 
  Public Facilities, came before committee.  He explained that                 
  while the  details of  the surface  transportation act  have                 
  been difficult to understand, the state fared well in  terms                 
  of the amount of  funding.  Alaska is slated to receive $211                 
  million  a  year.   Due  to  Gramm Rudman  and  other budget                 
  constraints, Congress did  not provide full funding  for the                 
  past year.  The state thus received $178 million.                            
                                                                               
  The Surface  Transportation Act assumes that  the interstate                 
  highway  system is  complete.   Therefore,  activities other                 
  than the  building  of highways  were also  addressed.   The                 
  intent is to  provide flexibility and  allow other modes  of                 
  transportation  (transit)  to  receive  funding.    The  Act                 
  heavily  emphasizes local  participation.   It  requires all                 
  communities with populations of more than 200,000 to conduct                 
  their own  planning and  distribution of  funds.   Anchorage                 
  has,  for  some time,  had  such  a planning  process.   The                 
  process has now been expanded to several other cities.                       
                                                                               
  The Act also dedicated funds for enhancement  of the highway                 
  system.  In  general, this refers to  aesthetic improvements                 
  such as  scenic  turnouts, bicycle  trails,  restoration  of                 
  historical sites,  etc.   Alaska will  receive approximately                 
  $11 million a  year for  this purpose.   The department  has                 
  received $100 million in requests for the present year.  The                 
  problem is selecting from among the projects.                                
                                                                               
  Highway safety was also emphasized and funded at $11 million                 
  annually.   The  definition here  covers "almost  everything                 
  except  rebuilding the  road."    In  some instances,  if  a                 
  history of  accidents is  evident, funding  can  be used  to                 
  straighten a curve, etc.   Highway safety moneys provide for                 
  delineators,   reflectors,   and  traffic   lights.     Wise                 
  expenditure  of  $11 million  for  safety will  require much                 
  statewide information.                                                       
                                                                               
  Section 118  (F) (copy of  sectional text appended  to these                 
  minutes as Attachment A) of  a previous Act, exempts  Alaska                 
  from restrictions applied to other  states.  Noted sectional                 
  language allows expenditure of federal funds on "any type of                 
  road within the  state," meaning "any public  transportation                 
  thoroughfare."    To meet  local  road needs  statewide, the                 
  department  developed the Borough  Transportation Plan.  The                 
  department sought to develop a  plan for local participation                 
  in how moneys would  be spent.  That is in  keeping with the                 
  intent  of ISTEA.   The  department also  sought to  provide                 
  stable funding by providing an annual  sum of money to local                 
  boroughs.  The boroughs could then plan in advance as to how                 
  funding would  be expended in both current and future years.                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  The Borough  Transportation Plan would  divide highway funds                 
  into two areas:                                                              
                                                                               
                                                                               
       1.   Local  road projects planned  at the  local level.                 
  Local                                                                        
            planning  would  be  paid  for  by  federal funds.                 
            There  would  be  no  additional  expense  to  the                 
            community.                                                         
                                                                               
       2.   The remainder of the highway system was designated                 
  "the                                                                         
            core highway system."   These  are roads that  tie                 
            local communities together.  They are, in  effect,                 
            Alaska's main highways.                                            
                                                                               
  The core  system also  runs through  communities.   It  will                 
  continue to  be the department's responsibility, and funding                 
  therefor will continue to be expended as in the past.                        
                                                                               
  All  projects (local and  core) will be  brought together in                 
  the DOTPF capital  budget submitted  to the legislature  for                 
  approval.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Issues that  had to be resolved  related to how much  of the                 
  total funding should be spent on local roads and how funding                 
  could be fairly  distributed among the boroughs.   The state                 
  commenced meetings with mayors of the four largest boroughs.                 
  A  subsequent meeting of all mayors  led to a recommendation                 
  that  the department go  to the Alaska  Municipal League and                 
  request  appointment  of  a  committee   to  work  with  the                 
  department to resolve  the above-noted issues.   A committee                 
  was   created  and  numerous   meetings  with  mayors,  city                 
  councilmen, and members of the legislature ensued.                           
                                                                               
  Ground rules were developed calling for 35% of total federal                 
  funds to apply to  local roads.  If full federal  funding is                 
  provided, 35% would  total $85 million  a year.  Core  roads                 
  are  to be closely  defined and uniformly  determined in all                 
  areas.                                                                       
                                                                               
  Discussion  subsequently addressed  division of  funds among                 
  the boroughs.   The AML  committee reviewed population,  the                 
  number of  registered vehicles,  miles of  road, land  area,                 
  etc.    Combinations were  also  considered.   The committee                 
  first developed a base  amount of $350.0 for  every borough.                 
  The remainder of the funding is  then to be divided one-half                 
  by  population  and one-half  by  vehicle registration.   In                 
  order to provide  for unusual projects  that would exceed  a                 
  borough's normal capacity, the  committee separated out some                 
  funding  for contingency.   Each borough will  then make its                 
  own case for the additional funding.                                         
                                                                               
  Commissioner  Turpin  directed   attention  to  a  tabulated                 
  listing of boroughs  and funding  amounts set  forth on  the                 
  last page of the second handout (Attachment B) and explained                 
  that  it reflects a division of enhancement moneys among the                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  boroughs.   Total  funding of  $66 million  ($59  million in                 
  federal funds plus a $7 million state match) was divided per                 
  the  formula  based  on  one-half  population  and  one-half                 
  vehicle registration.                                                        
                                                                               
  Contingency  (competitive) funding  of $11 million  would be                 
  used  to  meet  needs  greater   than  borough  allocations.                 
  Approximately  $3 million  would  be  provided  for  safety-                 
  related projects,  and $1  million has  been designated  for                 
  bridge repair.                                                               
                                                                               
  The   $66   million   provided  under   the   formula   plus                 
  approximately  $18 million  in contingency moneys  total $84                 
  million for division among the boroughs.  Individual borough                 
  funding  ranges  from $26  million  for the  Municipality of                 
  Anchorage to $450.0 for the Yakutat Borough.                                 
                                                                               
  Commissioner  Turpin  explained  that  unorganized  boroughs                 
  would be treated as though  incorporated within one borough.                 
  The department will  conduct planning  for these areas  with                 
  the  assistance  of  the  Dept.  of Community  and  Regional                 
  Affairs.  Approximately $7 million would be spent, annually,                 
  in  unorganized areas.   The Commissioner noted specifically                 
  roads to water sources and sewage lagoons.  Money could also                 
  be used for trails between villages.                                         
                                                                               
  In  response  to  a question  from  Senator  Kelly regarding                 
  highway   planning   for   Anchorage,  Commissioner   Turpin                 
  explained that AMATS would do  all the planning.  That is  a                 
  federal  requirement   for  cities  with   populations  over                 
  200,000.  Senator Kelly then asked if the legislature  would                 
  have  any flexibility  concerning  projects put  forward  by                 
  AMATS.  Commissioner Turpin  acknowledged that AMATS "always                 
  anticipates  a little legislative discussion."  The planning                 
  group generally prepares more than it  expects to get.  That                 
  is likely to continue.                                                       
                                                                               
  Senator Lincoln asked if a formula  similar to that used for                 
  boroughs  was applied  to  unorganized areas.   Commissioner                 
  Turpin  explained that  the AML  committee recommended  that                 
  land area  and miles not  be used.   A base number  was thus                 
  established  and  the remaining  amount divided  one-half on                 
  population  and one-half  on registered  vehicles.   Senator                 
  Lincoln  next   asked   if  the   AML  committee   contained                 
  representatives  of  unorganized  boroughs.     Commissioner                 
  Turpin answered affirmatively.  The  Senator noted that many                 
  unorganized  areas  of   the  state  do  not   have  vehicle                 
  registration.    The Commissioner  explained  that for  that                 
  specific reason a minimum number of 500 vehicles was used as                 
  the cut off.  He added, "We just didn't go below 500 in  any                 
  borough."  That was designed to protect areas where vehicles                 
  are not registered.                                                          
                                                                               
  Senator  Lincoln  asked  if the  above-noted  formulas  were                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  merely being  proposed  or  already fixed  in  place.    She                 
  further inquired  regarding a  definition of  the core  road                 
  system.  Commissioner  Turpin explained  that each year  the                 
  department develops a plan for investment of federal highway                 
  funds.    The only  change brought  about  by ISTEA  is that                 
  rather than department development of the entire plan, local                 
  communities  are  being  asked  to develop  a  portion--35%.                 
  Planning  has thus been expanded and  more localized.  KEITH                 
  GERKEN,  Deputy Commissioner,  Dept.  of Transportation  and                 
  Public Facilities, added  that rules established by  the AML                 
  working group require review of the program and its formulas                 
  after one year.                                                              
                                                                               
  Senator Little inquired  concerning legislative  involvement                 
  in  the  process.     Commissioner  Turpin  said   that  all                 
  expenditures would have to be sanctioned by the legislature.                 
  He  noted the extensive amount of  time required for highway                 
  planning and indicated  that the role of the  legislature is                 
  policy setting rather than detailed planning.                                
                                                                               
  Senator  Little  next  inquired  regarding  time  lines  for                 
  implementing   the  first   part  of   the   ISTEA  program.                 
  Commissioner  Turpin answered that  there was not sufficient                 
  time to incorporate needed planning within the FY 93 budget.                 
  FY 94 will be the first year for incorporation of input from                 
  local boroughs.                                                              
                                                                               
  Senator Kelly asked if the department had compiled a list of                 
  recommended projects  for non-local  funding.  Keith  Gerken                 
  explained that for communities such an Fairbanks, Anchorage,                 
  and Juneau, where planning has  been ongoing, the department                 
  has a  six-year plan.   For many  other areas that  were not                 
  eligible under the  old federal highway act,  the department                 
  does  not  have  a  backlog  of  ideas and  projects.    The                 
  communities themselves will have to identify those needs.                    
                                                                               
  Speaking  to the  FY 94  capital budget,  Mr.  Gerken voiced                 
  department intent to amend  it within four to six weeks.  He                 
  noted that some boroughs are at a point where they will soon                 
  bring forward a list of projects for FY 94.                                  
                                                                               
  Senator Kelly asked  how projects  like the proposed  Copper                 
  River Road, road  to Whittier,  and new  mainline ferry  fit                 
  into the funding  plan.   Commissioner Turpin observed  that                 
  they are all  core projects.   A new  road within a  borough                 
  would fall within the borough plan.                                          
                                                                               
  The Commissioner further explained that approximately 15% of                 
  total funds are  to be spent  on expansion projects.   Fifty                 
  percent would be spent on existing roads, including existing                 
  highways.  That was an arbitrary  decision.  The feeling was                 
  that half of the  funding should be spent on  improving what                 
  the state already  has.  One-third  will go to boroughs  for                 
  local projects, and 15% will be  devoted to expansion of the                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  system.   The perspective  here is  statewide, based on  the                 
  highest priorities.                                                          
                                                                               
  Commissioner Turpin next advised of the impending failure of                 
  Tongass  Avenue, a core road in Ketchikan.   A great deal of                 
  funding will be needed for repairs.  Based on past proration                 
  of  funds,  it would  have taken  many years  for sufficient                 
  moneys  to  accumulate.   Repairs  will now  be incorporated                 
  within  the department's six-year  plan as part  of the core                 
  system.  Tongass Avenue meets core  criteria in that it runs                 
  from the center of  town to the marine highway  terminal and                 
  an airport.  Criteria for core  roads was established by the                 
  AML working  group for  statewide application.   Mr.  Gerken                 
  stressed the need for  clear criteria that could be  applied                 
  everywhere.    Some  determinations, such  as  community-to-                 
  community  connections  were  natural  and  easily  defined.                 
  There  was  also  need  to  apply  the  core designation  to                 
  "principal arterials" connecting a community to its airport,                 
  ferry  terminal,  etc.     Alaska  has  quite  a  number  of                 
  "intermodal connectors."                                                     
                                                                               
  Referring to the 15% designated for expansion, Senator Kelly                 
  asked if the department would make recommendations for FY 94                 
  expenditures.  Commissioner  Turpin answered  affirmatively.                 
  He  explained  that most  of  the  systems are  in  "the low                 
  expenditure years."   He subsequently added that  a proposed                 
  new ferry would require a substantial amount of the funding.                 
  Mr. Gerken advised of intent to obligate ferry moneys over a                 
  two-year period.  Senator Kelly voiced his understanding the                 
  new  ferry would "get  all of  the system  expansion program                 
  money  in  the State  of  Alaska  for the  next  two years."                 
  Commissioner  Turpin   observed  that  "the   big  money  in                 
  expansion is  in the year  of construction."   Funding would                 
  enable the department  to conduct  planning and design  work                 
  for new expansions at the same time it appropriates money to                 
  the  ferry.  Mr.  Gerken added that  most expansion projects                 
  (the Whittier and Copper River roads were given as examples)                 
  are expensive  and will  likely consume  allocations for  an                 
  entire  year  or  more.    He  reiterated that  the  highest                 
  priority for funding has  been devoted to upkeep of  what is                 
  already in place.                                                            
                                                                               
  Senator Kelly said  that he did not oppose the new ferry, he                 
  simply  questioned whether it was a  high priority for areas                 
  other  than Southeast.   Mr. Gerken explained  that it would                 
  serve the entire  system, including Southwest.   It will  be                 
  the state's  second ocean-going  vessel.   As a  replacement                 
  vessel, it will replace the MALASPINA.  It will also be able                 
  to  serve  the Aleutian  Chain  and Kodiak  and  replace the                 
  TUSTUMENA  when  it  is out  for  refurbishing  or overhaul.                 
  Senator Kelly  next asked  how the  new ferry  would benefit                 
  areas of the state not served  by the marine highway system.                 
  Mr. Gerken observed that over 80% of the  state's population                 
  lives  in coastal areas.   He further  advised that interior                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  areas and communities  on the  state highway system  benefit                 
  from ferry traffic.                                                          
                                                                               
  End, SFC-93, #17, Side 2                                                     
  Begin, SFC-93, #19, Side 1                                                   
                                                                               
  Senator Pearce referred to the  executive capital budget and                 
  asked  how one would determine which  projects were core and                 
  which were  local.   Commissioner Turpin  answered that  the                 
  projects are shown  separately.   Senator Pearce then  asked                 
  who would be responsible for maintenance of the core system.                 
  The Commissioner advised that ISTEA  moneys do not apply  to                 
  maintenance.    The department  is  not proposing  to change                 
  maintenance  responsibilities  in  any  way.   Boroughs  are                 
  expected to provide  maintenance for  new roads they  build.                 
  If a borough  improves a  road currently  maintained by  the                 
  department, the department would continue to maintain it.                    
                                                                               
  Senator Pearce  inquired regarding the impact  of additional                 
  programs dealing  with transit,  safety,  air quality,  etc.                 
  Commissioner Turpin noted that three areas of the state have                 
  reached non-attainment because of air quality problems.  One                 
  of  the  problems  results from  dust  contamination  in the                 
  Mendenhall  Valley in  Juneau.   The EPA  is requiring  that                 
  roads in the area be paved.  That would be part of the local                 
  program.   Mr.  Gerken  explained  that Congress  considered                 
  automobiles  to  be a  great part  of  the U.S.  air quality                 
  problem.  It thus made several connections between the Clean                 
  Air Act and  ISTEA.   Sanctions can be  applied and  highway                 
  funding reduced if non-attainment areas do not  come up with                 
  plans to meet  attainment goals.  Non-attainment  relates to                 
  dust and carbon  dioxide problems.  Fairbanks  and Anchorage                 
  have non-attainment problems with  carbon dioxide while dust                 
  is the contaminate in the Mendenhall Valley and Eagle River.                 
  Funding totaling  $5 million  annually has  been slated  for                 
  congestion mitigation and air quality.                                       
                                                                               
  In response to  an additional question from  Senator Pearce,                 
  Commissioner  Turpin voiced  his understanding  that transit                 
  moneys contained within borough allocations are likely to be                 
  spent on additional buses in both Fairbanks and Anchorage.                   
                                                                               
  Senator Pearce next asked if state legislation was necessary                 
  to implement ISTEA.   Commissioner Turpin explained  that in                 
  addition  to approval of  capital budget items,  it would be                 
  necessary to pass legislation requiring that helmets be worn                 
  by those riding  on motorcycles.   Failure to effect such  a                 
  statute will result  in Congressional  withholding of 5%  of                 
  the state's funding  for the first  year and 10% the  second                 
  year.    The  department  has  thus  introduced  appropriate                 
  legislation.  Commissioner Turpin advised  of his hope there                 
  would be  no problem  with the  bill since,  at the  present                 
  time,  anyone under 18 years of age must wear a helmet while                 
  operating or riding on  a motorcycle.  Alaska also  hopes to                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  receive increased funding resulting  from other states  that                 
  are unsuccessful in passing helmet  legislation.  ISTEA also                 
  entails  passage   of  legislation  requiring   that  anyone                 
  convicted  of  drug  use  automatically  loses  his  or  her                 
  driver's  license   for  90  days.    Failure  to  pass  the                 
  legislation  by  April  1  of   this  year  will  result  in                 
  withholding of 3% of the state's ISTEA funding.  In response                 
  to an  additional question from Senator Pearce, Commissioner                 
  Turpin acknowledged that needed legislation had not yet been                 
  introduced but would soon be forthcoming.                                    
                                                                               
  Senator  Pearce   next  asked  if  the   federal  government                 
  concurred in  the  state's  plan  and  formula  allocations.                 
  Commissioner Turpin said that the  plan received endorsement                 
  by  federal  authorities.    The  state  continues  to  have                 
  responsibilities for monitoring and accountability.  Senator                 
  Pearce inquired concerning need  to ensure accountability at                 
  the  local  level.  The  Commissioner  explained  that   the                 
  department  would  do  most  of  the accounting  except  for                 
  boroughs   that  have   demonstrated   they  practice   good                 
  accounting procedures.   Most of the funding  will initially                 
  be spent as planning money.                                                  
                                                                               
  In response to  an additional  question from Senator  Pearce                 
  asking if local communities are  prepared to assume planning                 
  responsibilities, Commissioner Turpin indicated that he  was                 
  amazed by the sophistication of boroughs.  As an example, he                 
  noted two projects  planned by  the East Aleutians  Borough.                 
  While $500.0 may not appear to be major  funding in terms of                 
  the overall budget, it means a great deal to a small village                 
  with little or no roads.  Mr.  Gerken added that none of the                 
  boroughs had expressed reservations about ability to  manage                 
  the  planning  process.   Of  greater  concern to  both  the                 
  department  and   borough   staff   is   design   work   and                 
  administration of construction.   Those that are  capable of                 
  that portion of the work may handle it, if the department is                 
  certain the borough  is able  to manage the  effort.   DOTPF                 
  will  establish  local  government  assistance  within   the                 
  department.                                                                  
                                                                               
  Senator Pearce voiced  her understanding  that the mayor  of                 
  the  Fairbanks  Borough  is not  pleased  with  the proposed                 
  allocation process.  She  then asked what was being  done to                 
  work with  dissatisfied  local  communities.    Commissioner                 
  Turpin reiterated that extensive  participation, discussion,                 
  and meeting time was involved in development of the proposed                 
  formula.  He acknowledged that  a community in the Fairbanks                 
  area   remains  dissatisfied.    The  community  feels  that                 
  distribution  on  a  historical basis  would  be  more fair.                 
  That, however, defeats  the primary  purpose of the  program                 
  which  is  to engender  more  local  planning.   Mr.  Gerken                 
  reiterated that not all of the  ISTEA funding is distributed                 
  per the formula.   Part of it is competitive--$11  million a                 
  year.  A  week ago, the AML group reviewed criteria for that                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  allocation.  One proposal  for the short term is to  look at                 
  projects that have been included  in the department plan for                 
  some time.  That would favor Fairbanks.  This process is not                 
  yet finished.   Additional meetings  have been scheduled  to                 
  work on detail.                                                              
                                                                               
  Senator  Lincoln  directed  attention  to a  map  designated                 
  "Alaska Interim Core Highway  System" (copy included  within                 
  the  committee minute book),  and voiced  surprise regarding                 
  the proposed road  to McGrath.  She then inquired concerning                 
  the initiative behind  the proposal.   Mr. Gerken  explained                 
  that the department developed a policy plan  document over a                 
  year  ago.   Although  most  of  the ISTEA  funding  will be                 
  devoted  to  preserving  the  existing  system,   department                 
  discussion also focused upon economic benefits to be derived                 
  from expansion of access  to other areas of  the state.   As                 
  part of that process, the department proposed seven or eight                 
  routes from a series of recommendations relating to resource                 
  development and long-range  movement of goods.   A route  to                 
  McGrath was  determined to  have long-term  potential.   Mr.                 
  Gerken acknowledged that  it would not  be an easy route  to                 
  construct since it  would go near or through the  park.  The                 
  state began a series of discussions with the park service to                 
  develop a process for identifying right  of way.  Study will                 
  commence shortly to review advantages and disadvantages  and                 
  hear from impacted communities and other interests.                          
                                                                               
  Senator  Lincoln  voiced concern  that  when  the department                 
  commences to plan it does  so from the top down rather  than                 
  from  the  community up.   She  stressed  need to  begin the                 
  effort at the community level.  Commissioner Turpin noted  a                 
  number of requests for a road to McGrath from both residents                 
  of the area and the park service.  Issues involving the park                 
  must first be resolved prior to community hearings.                          
                                                                               
  Senator Lincoln  noted that  the map  indicates that  routes                 
  outlined in green  may fit core  criteria.  She then  raised                 
  questions regarding  that designation.  Mr.  Gerken directed                 
  attention  to  pages  7  and  8  of  an  additional  handout                 
  (Attachment C), containing language identifying core routes.                 
  He then noted that  the Denali Highway is green  because the                 
  department believes it to  be a core route (a  major highway                 
  operated by  the state)  even though  it does  not fit  well                 
  within the core definitions.                                                 
                                                                               
  Again  referring  to  the  department  map,  Senator Lincoln                 
  inquired concerning criteria used for appropriation of funds                 
  for the Dalton Highway.  Mr. Gerken  explained that criteria                 
  used to  designate a  core  route includes  connection to  a                 
  point of  major economic  activity (resource development  or                 
  export of  goods).   Funding expended  on core  routes would                 
  flow  from the  department's 50%--money  for improvement  of                 
  existing roads.   A route  in that area  that does not  fall                 
  within  the core system  would be the  responsibility of the                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  unorganized borough.                                                         
                                                                               
  In response to  an additional question from  Senator Pearce,                 
  Mr. Gerken advised that the northern 200 miles of the Dalton                 
  Highway  are not open to the public.   ISTEA funds cannot be                 
  utilized  for  that portion.    By definition,  however, the                 
  Dalton remains a  core road  and the  responsibility of  the                 
  state.    State general  funds  would  have to  be  used for                 
  reconstruction of the northern portion.                                      
                                                                               
  Chairman Sharp asked  if new  roads constructed by  boroughs                 
  would  then   become  the   responsibility  of   the  state.                 
  Commissioner  Turpin  answered   negatively.    Mr.   Gerken                 
  concurred that boroughs  that construct  new roads from  the                 
  35% funding should be prepared to maintain them.                             
                                                                               
  Chairman Sharp next  voiced surprise over inclusion  of dust                 
  problems  within  EPA clean  air  concerns and  dust control                 
  eligibility for  congestion mitigation funding.   Mr. Gerken                 
  concurred   in  that  surprise.    The  federal  legislation                 
  initially covered only carbon dioxide non-attainment.  Final                 
  interpretation determined  that air  quality dollars can  be                 
  spent  on dust  control.   He reiterated that  dust problems                 
  have  been noted  in both  the Mendenhall  Valley and  Eagle                 
  River.  Money for  paving slated for match by  the community                 
  and expenditure in 1993 may cure the majority of the problem                 
  in the Mendenhall Valley.                                                    
                                                                               
  Chairman Sharp  solicited comments and questions from mayors                 
  in  attendance.    DAN  KECK, Mayor  of  Sitka,  came before                 
  committee.    He  voiced  appreciation   to  DOTPF  for  the                 
  opportunity to work  with the  department on ISTEA  funding.                 
  The mayor then listed the names of those who participated in                 
  the process.  He  acknowledged that there is no way  to fund                 
  from the largest  city to the  largest borough and make  the                 
  process fair  and  equitable to  everyone.   Mr.  Keck  then                 
  voiced his belief  that all who participated feel that, when                 
  viewed from a statewide perspective, the proposed program is                 
  good.   The  Dept. of  Community  and Regional  Affairs  has                 
  agreed  to  work  with and  assist  communities  not located                 
  within boroughs (Petersburg was  given as an example).   Mr.                 
  Keck concluded  his comments  by advising  that while  Sitka                 
  would prefer more funding, from  a statewide perspective, it                 
  is satisfied.                                                                
                                                                               
  DON GILMAN,  Mayor of  the Kenai  Borough, next came  before                 
  committee.   He explained  that, in  the past,  category III                 
  roads that did not  fall within the state or  federal system                 
  were largely neglected.  When  improvements were made, DOTPF                 
  required  that   design  meet  federal   highway  standards.                 
  Communities were thus  forced to  design secondary roads  as                 
  though they were  major highways.   As a  result, the  roads                 
  were substantially over  built.  The proposed  ISTEA program                 
  is flexible and will allow for use of funding for design and                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  construction of gravel  connective roads  where there is  no                 
  need  to build to a higher  standard.  Flexibility is one of                 
  the strong points of the program.  The proposal represents a                 
  major method of improving the  state transportation and road                 
  systems.     Chairman  Sharp  concurred  that   new  federal                 
  regulations for construction provide the opportunity to "get                 
  a lot more miles out of the dollars available."                              
                                                                               
  JERRY  HEIMBUCK,  Assistant Division  Administrator, Federal                 
  Highways, Alaska Division, next spoke  before committee.  He                 
  concurred in  comments by DOTPF  and voiced support  for the                 
  proposed program.                                                            
                                                                               
  Chairman Sharp acknowledged  that much  field work had  been                 
  done  by the  department  and local  communities.   He  then                 
  voiced  his  understanding that  the  amount of  funding and                 
  formula remain subject to legislative appropriation.                         
                                                                               
  Senator Kelly asked  when the department would know how many                 
  federal dollars  will be available.   RON LIND,  Director of                 
  Plans,  Programs  and Budget,  Dept.  of  Transportation and                 
  Public Facilities, came before committee.  He explained that                 
  the state would know  the actual amount when Congress  takes                 
  action.  That amount will not be known while the legislature                 
  is  in  session.    Commissioner  Turpin  advised  that  the                 
  department knows approximately what the amount will be.   To                 
  protect against  that, the  department  brings in  alternate                 
  projects for legislative approval in  the event that funding                 
  is greater than anticipated.                                                 
                                                                               
  In his concluding remarks, Commissioner Turpin said that the                 
  department  views  ISTEA  provisions  as  another  method of                 
  planning a portion of the annual budget.                                     
                                                                               
  Senator Lincoln spoke  to concern raised by  broad, sweeping                 
  regulations at either the state or  federal level.  She then                 
  asked why the  federal government was mandating  that states                 
  pass legislation requiring  that the driver's license  of an                 
  individual convicted of drug  use be revoked for 90  days or                 
  risk loss of 3% of ISTEA funding.  Mr. Heimbuck said that he                 
  could  not respond,  advising that the  requirement reflects                 
  "something that Congress  put together."   The main  purpose                 
  appears to be to discourage the  use of drugs in the  United                 
  States and, in particular, drug use while driving.   Senator                 
  Lincoln suggested  that  if the  60  members of  the  Alaska                 
  Legislature felt that the requirement  would be a deterrent,                 
  they   would  pass   legislation   without  influence   from                 
  Washington, D.C.                                                             
                                                                               
  Senator  Kelly  voiced  his  understanding  that  all  local                 
  projects  planned  by  boroughs as  well  as  state projects                 
  planned by the Dept. of Transportation and Public Facilities                 
  would have  to  be  appropriated  from ISTEA  funds  by  the                 
  legislature through the budget process.  Commissioner Turpin                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  concurred.  He further  advised that approval would be  on a                 
  project-by-project basis rather than in lump sum payments to                 
  boroughs.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Senator Rieger noted a past  feeling of constraint regarding                 
  AMATS  recommendations for  the Anchorage area  and inquired                 
  regarding  flexibility  for  the  legislature  under  ISTEA.                 
  Commissioner Turpin said that there is no flexibility  for a                 
  city  over  200,000.   Such  cities  must  plan all  federal                 
  expenditures  within  the  community  regardless of  whether                 
  expenditures are  for core or  local roads.   The department                 
  does  not  anticipate problems  since  it has  always worked                 
  closely with AMATS.                                                          
                                                                               
  ADJOURNMENT                                                                  
                                                                               
  The meeting was adjourned at approximately 5:00 p.m.                         
                                                                               
                                                                               

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