Legislature(2025 - 2026)SENATE FINANCE 532

04/25/2025 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE

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+ SB 95 CHILD CARE: ASSISTANCE/GRANTS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Invited & Public Testimony --
+ SB 96 CHILD CARE: TAX CREDITS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Invited & Public Testimony --
+ SB 97 BIG GAME PERMIT PROGRAM TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Invited & Public Testimony --
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                 SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                      April 25, 2025                                                                                            
                         9:03 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:03:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman   called  the  Senate   Finance  Committee                                                                    
meeting to order at 9:03 a.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyman Hoffman, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Donny Olson, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Bert Stedman, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Mike Cronk                                                                                                              
Senator James Kaufman                                                                                                           
Senator Jesse Kiehl                                                                                                             
Senator Kelly Merrick                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Cathy  Giessel,  Sponsor;  Joe  Felkl,  Legislative                                                                    
Liaison,  Department of  Fish and  Game; IntiMayo  Harbison,                                                                    
Staff,  Senator   Cathy  Giessel;  Senator   Forest  Dunbar,                                                                    
Sponsor;  Sonia  Kawasaki,  Senate  Majority  Counsel;  Evan                                                                    
Anderson, Staff, Representative  Zack Fields; Katie Capozzi,                                                                    
President  and Chief  Executive Officer,  Alaska Chamber  of                                                                    
Commerce.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Megan  Wallace, Chief  Counsel, Legislative  Legal Services;                                                                    
Geoffrey Toy, Staff Attorney,  Alaska Federation of Natives,                                                                    
Anchorage;  Mark  Richards,   Executive  Director,  Resident                                                                    
Hunters of Alaska, Fairbanks;  Sam Rohrer, President, Alaska                                                                    
Professional  Hunters  Association,  Kodiak;  Blue  Shibler,                                                                    
Executive Director,  Association for the Education  of Young                                                                    
Children,  Juneau;   Stephanie  Berglund,   Chief  Executive                                                                    
Officer,  Thread  Alaska,  Anchorage;  Jenny  Stucky,  Chief                                                                    
Operating  Officer,   Campfire  Alaska,   Anchorage;  Tracey                                                                    
Schaffer, Co-Executive  Director, Nunakins,  Kotzebue; Emily                                                                    
Nauman,  Director,   Legislative  Legal   Services;  Brandon                                                                    
Spanos,  Deputy   Director,  Tax  Division,   Department  of                                                                    
Revenue;  Stephanie   Berglund,  Chief   Executive  Officer,                                                                    
Thread Alaska, Anchorage.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SB 95     CHILD CARE: ASSISTANCE/GRANTS                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          SB 95 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                     
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SB 96     CHILD CARE: TAX CREDITS                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
          SB 96 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                     
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SB 97     BIG GAME PERMIT PROGRAM                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
          SB 97 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                     
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman discussed  the agenda.  He noted  that the                                                                    
three bills  were considered  curative legislation  and were                                                                    
related  to the  passage of  SB  189 the  previous year.  He                                                                    
relayed that  Megan Wallace, Chief Counsel  for the Division                                                                    
of  Legislative  Legal  Services,   would  provide  a  quick                                                                    
synopsis  of   the  necessity  of  the   legislation  before                                                                    
addressing each bill.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 95                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act  relating to the child  care assistance program                                                                    
     and the child care grant  program; and providing for an                                                                    
     effective date."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 96                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act  relating to education tax  credits for certain                                                                    
     payments  and contributions  for child  care and  child                                                                    
     care   facilities;  relating   to  the   insurance  tax                                                                    
     education credit, the income  tax education credit, the                                                                    
     oil or gas producer  education credit, the property tax                                                                    
     education   credit,  the   mining  business   education                                                                    
     credit,  the fisheries  business education  credit, and                                                                    
     the  fisheries resource  landing tax  education credit;                                                                    
     providing  for  an  effective   date  by  amending  the                                                                    
     effective  date of  secs. 1,  2,  and 21,  ch. 61,  SLA                                                                    
     2014; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 97                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act  establishing a big game  guide concession area                                                                    
     permit program  on land in  the state; relating  to the                                                                    
     duties of  the Big Game Commercial  Services Board, the                                                                    
     Board of  Game, the  Department of  Fish and  Game, and                                                                    
     the  Department  of  Natural Resources;  requiring  the                                                                    
     Board of  Game to establish  an initial big  game guide                                                                    
     concession area; and providing for an effective date."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:05:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEGAN  WALLACE, CHIEF  COUNSEL,  LEGISLATIVE LEGAL  SERVICES                                                                    
(via teleconference),  affirmed that the three  bills on the                                                                    
agenda  were related  to the  passage of  SB 189,  which had                                                                    
passed the  previous session and  was enacted into  law. She                                                                    
continued that the three bills  together, in addition to the                                                                    
contents of SB 80, were contained in SB 189 last session.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Wallace informed that an  issue had arisen under Article                                                                    
2  Section 13,  which required  bills  to be  combined to  a                                                                    
single subject.  She said  that SB  189 has  been challenged                                                                    
under  the single  subject rule.  She  referenced a  lawsuit                                                                    
filed in the Juneau Superior  Court (copy on file) regarding                                                                    
an alleged  constitutional violation,  that SB  189 violated                                                                    
the  single-subject  clause  because  there  was  no  single                                                                    
subject  to describe  the  contents of  the  bill after  the                                                                    
various  components  had  been  added at  the  end  of  last                                                                    
session.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Wallace   relayed  that  the  status   of  the  pending                                                                    
litigation  was that  the  plaintiff, former  Representative                                                                    
David  Eastman, had  filed a  motion  for summary  judgement                                                                    
asking the  court to invalidate the  passage of SB 189.   In                                                                    
response  the  state  had  filed  a motion  for  a  stay  of                                                                    
proceedings  until   the  end   of  session  to   allow  the                                                                    
legislature to  pass curative legislation. The  motion asked                                                                    
that  the  court  give  the legislature  time  to  hear  the                                                                    
alleged defects.  The plaintiff  had opposed the  motion and                                                                    
requested oral  argument on  the motion  to stay.  There had                                                                    
not been a ruling on the motion to stay.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:08:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Wallace  explained  that  the  passage  of  the  bills,                                                                    
irrespective  of pending  litigation, would  ensure that  if                                                                    
the litigation  was successful, once  the bills  were passed                                                                    
there would  be no  impact to the  law previously  passed by                                                                    
the  legislature.  If  the   curative  legislation  was  not                                                                    
passed, there  was some risk  that if the court  struck down                                                                    
the passage of  SB 189, all provisions of the  bill would be                                                                    
struck  down and  the legislature  would have  to bring  the                                                                    
impacted items back to the table.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:09:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl  expressed an  appreciation for  the briefing.                                                                    
He  relayed that  his work  in committee  would reflect  the                                                                    
merits of the legislation and  not the reason that the items                                                                    
were back before the committee.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 97                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act  establishing a big game  guide concession area                                                                    
     permit program  on land in  the state; relating  to the                                                                    
     duties of  the Big Game Commercial  Services Board, the                                                                    
     Board of  Game, the  Department of  Fish and  Game, and                                                                    
     the  Department  of  Natural Resources;  requiring  the                                                                    
     Board of  Game to establish  an initial big  game guide                                                                    
     concession area; and providing for an effective date."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:10:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman  relayed that  this  was  the bills  first                                                                    
hearing.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR CATHY  GIESSEL, SPONSOR, explained that  there was a                                                                    
long-standing   problem  on   state   lands  that   included                                                                    
overhunting  and  conflicts between  resident,  subsistence,                                                                    
and  guided hunters.   The  guide  concession program  would                                                                    
create  areas much  like federal  concession land  areas and                                                                    
would  limit  the  number  of  hunters  in  each  area.  The                                                                    
provision would prevent an overabundance  of guided hunts in                                                                    
hunting areas. There was no  limit placed on Alaska resident                                                                    
hunters or subsistence hunters.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Giessel continued  that a big game  guide would have                                                                    
to go through  a competitive process. The  permit area would                                                                    
be  granted for  a  ten-year duration  and applicants  could                                                                    
compete   for   concession   areas.   There   were   limited                                                                    
transferability  conditions provided  in  the  bill for  the                                                                    
permits should there  be a need for  transference. There was                                                                    
a fee structure that would  support the program. The federal                                                                    
program had been very successful,  and the bill modeled that                                                                    
program.  She relayed  that she  knew resident  hunters that                                                                    
had felt  overwhelmed by  guided hunts  taking place  in the                                                                    
areas.  There  was a  public,  competitive  process and  the                                                                    
program  would start  with one  game  unit before  expanding                                                                    
after success was demonstrated.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Giessel noted that the  subject of the bill had been                                                                    
considered over  several years. She emphasized  that support                                                                    
for  the bill  had  grown  over the  years.  She noted  that                                                                    
guided  hunts brought  in a  huge amount  of revenue  to the                                                                    
state and  contributed to  the Department  of Fish  and Game                                                                    
Division of  Wildlife -  $15.2 million  per year.  She noted                                                                    
the committee  concern that boards and  commissions be self-                                                                    
funded.  She shared  that  the  Big Game  Board  had been  a                                                                    
deficit of $1 million but had  paid their debt and the board                                                                    
was now solvent and would oversee the program.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:15:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:15:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman asked  for a  detailed explanation  of how                                                                    
the initial  permits would be  issued. He pondered  that the                                                                    
permits would last  ten years, and wondered  how the permits                                                                    
would be  renewed. He asked  whether the bill would  lead to                                                                    
the  privatization of  natural  resources.  He thought  that                                                                    
limited entry fishing had created problems.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Giessel  drew attention  to Section  3 of  the bill,                                                                    
which addressed the open competitive permit process:                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Section 3: Creates new  section AS 38.05.021 empowering                                                                  
     the   Department   of   Natural  Resources   (DNR)   to                                                                  
     administer  the implementation  of the  big game  guide                                                                  
     concession area permit program on  land approved by the                                                                  
     BOG.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Outlines that the overarching goals of the guide                                                                           
     concession program are to encourage long-term minded                                                                       
     conservation, enhance customer  experience, reduce user                                                                    
     conflicts,   and   ensure  responsible,   professional,                                                                    
     economically guiding industry.                                                                                             
     Establishes  the  features   of  the  guide  concession                                                                    
     program permits:                                                                                                           
     1.  All  permits  are  awarded  an  open,  public,  and                                                                    
     competitive process.                                                                                                       
     2.  A guide  may not  hold more  than three  concession                                                                    
     permits at a time.                                                                                                         
     3. Permits are valid for 10 years.                                                                                         
     4. Permits may  not be extended or  renewed without the                                                                    
     same open, public, and competitive process.                                                                                
     5.  Permits may  be transferred  to another  individual                                                                    
     based  on   conditions  set  in  regulation   that  are                                                                    
     consistent  with the  overarching  goals  of the  guide                                                                    
     concession program.                                                                                                        
     6. If the terms of  statute or regulation are violated,                                                                    
     permit  may be  suspended or  revoked after  the permit                                                                    
     holder has  been given  written notice  and opportunity                                                                    
     to be heard.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Section  3 further  empowers the  DNR, in  consultation                                                                    
     with the BOG,  DF&G, and BGCSB, to  adopt the necessary                                                                    
     regulations including  the qualifications for  full and                                                                    
     limited  concession permits,  process  for issuing  the                                                                    
     permits,  and the  collection of  fees;  grants DNR  or                                                                    
     their designee  the authority to  enforce the  terms of                                                                    
     this  program;  allows  DNR to  keep  confidential  any                                                                    
     proprietary,  commercial,   and  financial  information                                                                    
     provided by concession  permit applicants; and includes                                                                    
     definitions.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:17:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman understood that the system would be a bid                                                                      
system with renewal possible after 10 years.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Giessel deferred to Joe Felkl from the Department                                                                       
of Fish and Game.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:19:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOE FELKL, LEGISLATIVE LIAISON, DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND                                                                          
GAME, introduced himself.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  asked  for   clarity  regarding  how  the                                                                    
permits  would  be  initially issued  and  then  renewed  or                                                                    
extended.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Felkl  relayed that  the issuance  of the  permits would                                                                    
reside in DNR,  and the Board of Game would  decide how many                                                                    
permits were appropriate per area.  He said that when a term                                                                    
expired the permit would have  to go through the process all                                                                    
over again.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman hoped to hear from DNR on the matter.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman asked  whether the Board of  Game had taken                                                                    
a position on the bill.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Felkl relayed  that the  board had  adopted a  proposal                                                                    
which  would  establish a  guide  concession  area for  Dall                                                                    
Sheep. He believed the board  chair had provided a letter of                                                                    
support the previous year.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:20:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl  asked whether  the  state  ran the  risk  of                                                                    
pushing the overcrowding situation around.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
INTIMAYO  HARBISON, STAFF,  SENATOR  CATHY GIESSEL,  relayed                                                                    
that  was not  the intent  of the  bill. The  intent was  to                                                                    
issue a first permit to see  how the program worked and then                                                                    
expand.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:22:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman OPENED public testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:22:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GEOFFREY TOY, STAFF ATTORNEY,  ALASKA FEDERATION OF NATIVES,                                                                    
ANCHORAGE  (via teleconference),  spoke  in  support of  the                                                                    
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:23:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARK  RICHARDS,  EXECUTIVE  DIRECTOR,  RESIDENT  HUNTERS  OF                                                                    
ALASKA, FAIRBANKS (via  teleconference), spoke in opposition                                                                    
to the  bill. He asserted  that the  state did not  have the                                                                    
funds to regulate the guide  industry program. He noted that                                                                    
the fiscal note for the bill.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Richards  thought   that  the   bill  would   lead  to                                                                    
litigation. He  felt that the  Big Game Board had  failed to                                                                    
regulate their industry.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:26:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SAM   ROHRER,   PRESIDENT,   ALASKA   PROFESSIONAL   HUNTERS                                                                    
ASSOCIATION,  KODIAK  (via   teleconference),  testified  in                                                                    
support  of  the  bill. He  addressed  an  earlier  question                                                                    
related  to  how the  state  might  avoid problems  seen  in                                                                    
limited entry fishing. He pointed  out that the permits were                                                                    
limited  to  10  years  and were  not  primarily  monetarily                                                                    
based,  but   rather  considered  operations,   safety,  and                                                                    
conservation measures.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:28:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman CLOSED public testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:29:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl addressed  three fiscal notes. He  spoke to FN                                                                    
1, OMB Component  473. The note showed a cost  of $112.3 and                                                                    
included one full-time position.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl  addressed FN  2 from  the Department  of Fish                                                                    
and Game, OMB  Component 2048. The amount was  $14.4 and was                                                                    
also reflected in the governor's budget request.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl addressed FN 3  from the Department of Natural                                                                    
Resources, OMB  Component 3002.  The note  showed a  cost of                                                                    
$341.6   in  FY26,   with  two,   full-time  positions   and                                                                    
indeterminate revenues from permitting fees.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:30:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman wondered  whether there  was consideration                                                                    
given  to making  the program  self-sustaining, rather  than                                                                    
the funds coming from the general fund.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Giessel could  not speak  definitively to  what the                                                                    
board would  do but suspected  that board would  ensure that                                                                    
the fees covered the program.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman asked  whether the  board would  cover the                                                                    
costs of the three full-time positions.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Giessel did  not  have the  ability  to answer  the                                                                    
question.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman thought  that  further  discussion on  the                                                                    
bill should  include the issues  brough up by  Mark Richards                                                                    
during his public testimony.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman agreed.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SB  97  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in   committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 95                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to the child care assistance program                                                                      
     and the child care grant program; and providing for an                                                                     
     effective date."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:32:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman relayed that this  was the first hearing on                                                                    
the bill.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:33:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  FOREST DUNBAR,  SPONSOR,  introduced  the bill.  He                                                                    
relayed  that  funding  for  the bill  was  already  in  the                                                                    
governors   budget because  of  the passage  of  SB 189  the                                                                    
previous session.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:34:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SONIA  KAWASAKI, SENATE  MAJORITY COUNSEL,  referred to  the                                                                    
lawsuit status  as discussed by  Megan Wallace at  the start                                                                    
of the meeting.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman summoned invited testifiers to the table.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:34:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BLUE  SHIBLER,  EXECUTIVE   DIRECTOR,  ASSOCIATION  FOR  THE                                                                    
EDUCATION  OF YOUNG  CHILDREN, JUNEAU  (via teleconference),                                                                    
read from a prepared statement:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     My name is  Blue Shibler, and I serve  as the Executive                                                                    
     Director of  the Southeast  Alaska Association  for the                                                                    
     Education  of Young  Children, or  SEAAEYC. We  are the                                                                    
     regional   childcare  resource   and  referral   agency                                                                    
     serving families  and early childhood  providers across                                                                    
     Southeast  Alaska.  I'm   testifying  today  in  strong                                                                    
     support   of  SB95   because   increasing  the   income                                                                    
     eligibility for  the Childcare Assistance Program  is a                                                                    
     critical step  toward stabilizing our  childcare system                                                                    
     and supporting working families across the state.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     In  my  role,  I  regularly hear  from  families  doing                                                                    
     everything they can to live  and work in our region and                                                                    
     are struggling  to make ends meet.  Childcare is nearly                                                                    
     always  at the  center  of that  struggle. The  current                                                                    
     income  threshold for  childcare assistance  is so  low                                                                    
     that  families  can be  penalized  for  earning just  a                                                                    
     little more.  Many turn down  raises or  promotions for                                                                    
     fear of losing their  assistance before they can afford                                                                    
     care alone.  That's not how public  policy should work.                                                                    
     Assistance  programs  should  create a  bridge,  not  a                                                                    
     cliff,  supporting  parents  as   they  grow  in  their                                                                    
     careers  and  helping   them  eventually  become  self-                                                                    
     sufficient.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     As  this bill  proposes, raising  the income  threshold                                                                    
     would allow  more families to  access support  and more                                                                    
     accurately  reflect  the  actual  cost  of  living  and                                                                    
     working in  Alaska today. Many  families earn  too much                                                                    
     to qualify for assistance but  far too little to afford                                                                    
     childcare without  it. I understand the  state's fiscal                                                                    
     challenges.  However,  investments   in  childcare  pay                                                                    
     long-term dividends  by enabling more Alaskans  to join                                                                    
     and  stay in  the workforce.  Legislative solutions  to                                                                    
     our  childcare  crisis cannot  wait     and SB96  is  a                                                                    
     meaningful step in  the right direction. I  urge you to                                                                    
     support this  bill this session.  Legislative solutions                                                                    
     to the  childcare system cant   wait. Care  Can't Wait.                                                                    
     Thank  you for  your time  and your  work on  behalf of                                                                    
     Alaska's children and families.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:36:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STEPHANIE BERGLUND, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, THREAD ALASKA,                                                                     
ANCHORAGE (via teleconference), read from a prepared                                                                            
statement:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Thank you, Mr.  Chair and members of  the committee for                                                                    
     hearing SB  95. I'm  CEO of thread,  Alaska's statewide                                                                    
     childcare  resource and  referral organization.  Thread                                                                    
     is  a 39-year-old  nonprofit, and  we provide  services                                                                    
     throughout   the   state   to  strengthen   access   to                                                                    
     affordable and  high-quality early  childhood education                                                                    
     with a  focus on childcare.  We serve more  than 12,000                                                                    
     families,  2,000 early  educators, and  over 400  early                                                                    
     childhood education  programs each year.  The childcare                                                                    
     sector  is  fragile.  It's  long  been  a  sector  with                                                                    
     institutional  deficiencies for  decades  but has  seen                                                                    
     increased challenges over the last five years.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Since 2020, we've seen over  25 percent of the licensed                                                                    
     childcare  program close  across the  state, and  those                                                                    
     that  are  open, they're  not  able  to serve  all  the                                                                    
     children they  would like due to  staff shortages. Just                                                                    
     last week,  I received  the very  sad news  that Bright                                                                    
     Beginning,  one of  our largest  childcare programs  in                                                                    
     South  Anchorage,   in  Sen.  Kaufman's   district,  is                                                                    
     closing its  doors after 30 years.  That's 125 families                                                                    
     who  are  losing  their  childcare  space  this  month.                                                                    
     thread anticipates  that more childcare  programs, like                                                                    
     Bright  Beginnings,  will  close   if  we  do  not  see                                                                    
     sustainable  and meaningful  investments  in the  state                                                                    
     for  childcare. The  childcare workforce  is struggling                                                                    
     through  the low  wages and  few benefits  at the  same                                                                    
     time  that  there  is high  competition  for  qualified                                                                    
     workers in Alaska.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Currently,  fewer families  can  access affordable  and                                                                    
     quality childcare  services than  ever before.  When we                                                                    
     don't  have  a  strong  childcare sector,  we  see  our                                                                    
     economic  infrastructure struggle.  Businesses are  not                                                                    
     able  to  recruit  and retain  quality  employees,  and                                                                    
     families are  not able to participate  in the workforce                                                                    
     as they  want. Our most recent  research conducted with                                                                    
     the  McKinley Group  in 2023  shows  that families  are                                                                    
     greatly  impacted  by  a struggling  childcare  sector.                                                                    
     Businesses are  not able to support  their employees as                                                                    
     they're   showing   poor   attendance   and   loss   of                                                                    
     productivity.   Childcare    challenges   for   working                                                                    
     families are  resulting in  great absence  and employee                                                                    
     turnover and  are costing businesses an  estimated $152                                                                    
     million  annually. We  know when  Alaskans can't  work,                                                                    
     they  don't have  financial security  to support  their                                                                    
     families, and  they aren't able to  achieve their self-                                                                    
     sufficiency goals  or contribute  to our  economy. That                                                                    
     not only stifles  the quality of life  for families but                                                                    
     also stalls Alaska's growth.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     SB95 adds needed support  for childcare and strengthens                                                                    
     the  childcare assistance  and  subsidy program.  While                                                                    
     there are many areas of  the childcare system that need                                                                    
     support,   SB95  aims   to  strengthen   the  childcare                                                                    
     assistance  by allowing  more families,  earning up  to                                                                    
     the  105th percentile  of median  household income,  to                                                                    
     participate in  the program  and create  flexibility in                                                                    
     childcare  resources  with  aims to  support  childcare                                                                    
     programs with the targeted  supports they need. Changes                                                                    
     in childcare assistance are needed.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Currently, two few families  participate in the program                                                                    
     as they  don't qualify or can't  access resources under                                                                    
     the  current  structure.  A change  that  can  help  is                                                                    
     through  SB95  and   increasing  childcare  access  and                                                                    
     capping  co-payments required  for  families. The  bill                                                                    
     will allow more families  to qualify for assistance and                                                                    
     allow more  families access to quality  care. These and                                                                    
     other   barriers   impacting   families'   ability   to                                                                    
     participate  in  the  workforce.   Just  over  half  of                                                                    
     families report  that household members' ability  to be                                                                    
     employed or  work more hours  are impacted  by quality,                                                                    
     availability, and  cost of  childcare. That  is growing                                                                    
     as  we've seen  a  29% increase  in families  reporting                                                                    
     they're  not   able  to   work  because   of  childcare                                                                    
     challenges.  These  findings  underscore the  need  for                                                                    
     childcare   change   to   strengthen   our   collective                                                                    
     workforce and economy.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     This  bill  also  creates a  program  to  partner  with                                                                    
     businesses to  create incentives and support  them with                                                                    
     developing  on-site  or near-site  childcare.  Although                                                                    
     childcare  businesses   are  currently   reimbursed  at                                                                    
     childcare  assistance program  rates  set  by a  market                                                                    
     rate survey  that's based on the  amount that childcare                                                                    
     businesses  charge for  care,  not what  is the  actual                                                                    
     cost  for  providing  that  care  and  education.  This                                                                    
     creates  an  unstable   foundation  for  the  childcare                                                                    
     system. We are encouraged to  see the research that was                                                                    
     completed through  the Governor's Childcare  Task Force                                                                    
     to  understand the  true  cost of  care  and that  data                                                                    
     shows  a   gap  in  what   the  state  is   paying  for                                                                    
     reimbursement compared  to the  true cost  of providing                                                                    
     that care.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     We are  encouraged to  see that  the bill  includes the                                                                    
     option for the  cost of care to be  used in conjunction                                                                    
     with market  rate prices and policies.  That supports a                                                                    
     more stable  and informed childcare  system. SB95  is a                                                                    
     great  and  necessary  step  for  supporting  families'                                                                    
     affordability  and this  bill  will have  an impact  in                                                                    
     every single  one of the legislative  districts in your                                                                    
     community, from  Kotzebue to Ketchikan.  Endorsing SB95                                                                    
     as  a  step  toward  more  affordable  access  to  more                                                                    
     affordable  care  for  families. We  encourage  you  to                                                                    
     consider and  pass this bill  as it was  already passed                                                                    
     through strong  support last session.  I also  urge you                                                                    
     to restore  childcare funding  in the  Operating Budget                                                                    
     that   complements  this   bill  to   provide  critical                                                                    
     operating  supports for  programs. Please  restore that                                                                    
     funding.  The  positive  change  for  childcare  sector                                                                    
     cannot come  soon enough. I appreciate  the sponsor for                                                                    
     bringing  the  bill forward  and  thanks  to Chair  and                                                                    
     Committee for considering the bill. Thank you.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:42:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman OPENED public testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:43:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JENNY  STUCKY,  CHIEF  OPERATING OFFICER,  CAMPFIRE  ALASKA,                                                                    
ANCHORAGE  (via teleconference),  called to  express support                                                                    
for SB  95. She relayed  that in  2024, the average  cost of                                                                    
childcare,  per  child,  in   the  state  was  $13,500.  The                                                                    
previous year,  Campfire Alaska  had provided  over $700,000                                                                    
in  financial  assistance  to  families.  She  stressed  the                                                                    
importance of  access to  affordable childcare  for Alaskas                                                                     
families.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:45:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TRACEY SCHAFFER,  CO-EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR,  NUNAKINS, KOTZEBUE                                                                    
(via teleconference), testified in  support of the bill. She                                                                    
mentioned  young foster  children  were shipped  out of  her                                                                    
region because foster  families could not afford  care for a                                                                    
child  not  yet  in  public   school.  She  emphasized  that                                                                    
functional communities  needed a  workforce and  pointed out                                                                    
the  need   for  childcare  options.  She   discussed  early                                                                    
childhood and the importance of early childhood education.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:48:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman CLOSED public testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:48:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl addressed  a fiscal note by  the Department of                                                                    
Health, OMB Component  1897. The note showed a  total of $6,                                                                    
920,200  in the  governors   budget request  for the  fiscal                                                                    
year. The total was comprised  of $225.1 in federal receipts                                                                    
and   matching  general   funds.  There   was  $5,642.0   in                                                                    
unrestricted  general funds.  There was  also a  request for                                                                    
two full-time positions.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked for an  explanation on Section 7, and                                                                    
Section  8. He  asked about  the current  median income  per                                                                    
household in Alaska.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator    Dunbar   deferred    to   Evan    Anderson   from                                                                    
Representative Fields office.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:50:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
EVAN ANDERSON,  STAFF, REPRESENTATIVE ZACK FIELDS,  spoke to                                                                    
the duplicative language  in Sections 7 and  8. He explained                                                                    
that  daycare  assistance program   was the  former language                                                                    
in  statute,   which  would   be  corrected   to   childcare                                                                    
assistance grant in SB 95.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman   asked  Emily   Nauman  to   address  the                                                                    
question.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:51:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
EMILY  NAUMAN,  DIRECTOR,  LEGISLATIVE LEGAL  SERVICES  (via                                                                    
teleconference),  affirmed that  Mr. Anderson's  explanation                                                                    
was sufficient.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:51:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman asked  about  the  state's median  monthly                                                                    
household income.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Nauman  did  not  know the  median  monthly  income  of                                                                    
Alaskan households.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman   shared   concerns  about   the   income                                                                    
restriction in the bill. He  considered the cost of daycare,                                                                    
and  the challenges  that a  single  household earner  would                                                                    
have to meet the income  restriction in the bill. He worried                                                                    
that people  who needed help  would be excluded.  He thought                                                                    
the  issue was  impacting  the economics  of  the state.  He                                                                    
thought the  bill did  not go far  enough to  assist working                                                                    
families in the  state. He thought the state  should work to                                                                    
assist a larger number of children.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Hoffman  thought   Co-Chair  Stedman's   comments                                                                    
suggested that amendments could be  made to the three pieces                                                                    
of   legislation.   He   wondered   whether   amending   the                                                                    
legislation was possible under the lawsuit.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:55:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Nauman  advised that the committee  pass the legislation                                                                    
as  written. She  thought that  there was  latitude to  make                                                                    
changes  if  the  sections  matched up  to  the  section  of                                                                    
legislation that  the legislature wanted to  enact. She said                                                                    
that the legislature was free  to make any policy changes it                                                                    
desired and then the court  would be responsible for setting                                                                    
the same subject issue. She  thought the matter was a policy                                                                    
call  for  the legislature.  She  stated  that there  was  a                                                                    
possibility  that  the  legislature  could  lose  the  legal                                                                    
argument and the legislation would be negated.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman considered  increasing the household income                                                                    
restriction  from   105  percent   to  150  percent   as  an                                                                    
enhancement  of the  legislation and  not a  matter of  same                                                                    
subject  rule.  He wanted  to  hear  from the  bill  sponsor                                                                    
regarding he decision  to arrive at a level  that would help                                                                    
working families with multiple children.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dunbar deferred to Mr. Anderson.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:58:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Anderson relayed  that the  previous 85  percent number                                                                    
allowed  for the  maximum allowable  for  the federal  pass-                                                                    
through grants.  He added that  state support  for childcare                                                                    
subsidies up to  this point had been  entirely subsidized by                                                                    
the federal  government. The change  from 85 percent  to 105                                                                    
percent  represented  the  first  time that  the  state  had                                                                    
invested  in   childcare  subsidies.  He  agreed   that  the                                                                    
percentage  could be  higher, some  states subsidized  up to                                                                    
400 percent  of the median  income. He said that  the change                                                                    
in the bill represented 18,000 Alaskan children.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:59:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  suggested that Mr. Anderson  could provide                                                                    
further information regarding what  the fiscal note might be                                                                    
at 150 percent.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dunbar agreed to provide the information.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SB  95  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in   committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 96                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act  relating to education tax  credits for certain                                                                    
     payments  and contributions  for child  care and  child                                                                    
     care   facilities;  relating   to  the   insurance  tax                                                                    
     education credit, the income  tax education credit, the                                                                    
     oil or gas producer  education credit, the property tax                                                                    
     education   credit,  the   mining  business   education                                                                    
     credit,  the fisheries  business education  credit, and                                                                    
     the  fisheries resource  landing tax  education credit;                                                                    
     providing  for  an  effective   date  by  amending  the                                                                    
     effective  date of  secs. 1,  2,  and 21,  ch. 61,  SLA                                                                    
     2014; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:59:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  announced that this was  the first hearing                                                                    
on the legislation.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:00:01 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kawasaki relayed that supporters  of SB 96 described the                                                                    
bill  as   a  workforce  bill  that   strengthened  Alaskas                                                                     
childcare  system. The  bill would  incentivize the  private                                                                    
sector  to offer  childcare benefits  to their  employees to                                                                    
fill  jobs essential  for economic  growth.  The bill  would                                                                    
expand childcare tax credits that  would create a tax credit                                                                    
for  employers.  The credits  would  be  available to  seven                                                                    
categories to be  claimed against taxes to  the state, which                                                                    
included:  insurance premium  tax,  title insurance  premium                                                                    
tax, oil and  gas production tax, oil and  gas property tax,                                                                    
mining license  tax, fisheries  business tax,  and fisheries                                                                    
resource landing tax. The bill  encouraged employers to look                                                                    
at  childcare   as  an   employee  benefit   and  encouraged                                                                    
businesses to open childcare services.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:01:48 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked Ms. Kawasaki to  provide more detail                                                                    
as to  how the  credits would work,  and whether  there were                                                                    
any restrictions.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Kawasaki relayed  that if  one was  not in  one of  the                                                                    
aforementioned  tax  collection  categories  incentivization                                                                    
would be based on whoever was currently paying taxes.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman   thought  there  were  a   lot  of  other                                                                    
employers,   outside   the   categories,  that   could   use                                                                    
motivation to  assist with  employee childcare.  He stressed                                                                    
that childcare assistance was a  recurring concern voiced by                                                                    
Alaskans.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:03:51 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
KATIE  CAPOZZI,  PRESIDENT   AND  CHIEF  EXECUTIVE  OFFICER,                                                                    
ALASKA CHAMBER  OF COMMERCE, introduced herself  and relayed                                                                    
that  the mission  of the  Alaska Chamber  of Commerce.  She                                                                    
testified in  support of the legislation.  She asserted that                                                                    
the   state's  economy   depended  upon   a  strong   stable                                                                    
workforce,  and  the  lack   of  affordable  and  accessible                                                                    
childcare  hindered workforce  participation. She  mentioned                                                                    
employers struggled  to recruit and retain  employees due to                                                                    
unaffordability and  unavailability of childcare.  She spoke                                                                    
of the  cost to  the state,  $165 million  per year,  due to                                                                    
childcare related absences and employee turnover.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Capozzi  referenced  a public  opinion  survey  by  the                                                                    
chamber  the previous  month and  cited that  24 percent  of                                                                    
parents missed work due to  lack of access to childcare, and                                                                    
13 percent chose  not to work oat all due  to lack of access                                                                    
or affordability. She  noted that the average  cost of full-                                                                    
time care  for an infant was  $21,000 per year. SB  96 would                                                                    
add an  additional mechanism to  the existing  education tax                                                                    
credits and would  not increase the tax cap.  It would allow                                                                    
corporate  income tax  paying employers  the opportunity  to                                                                    
provide  childcare  benefits  to  their  employees,  provide                                                                    
direct support  to childcare facilities,  or use  the credit                                                                    
for onsite childcare.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Capozzi  referenced Co-Chair Stedman's  question related                                                                    
to who could  benefit from the credits. She said  that if an                                                                    
employer  used  the  credit for  an  onsite,  or  near-site,                                                                    
facility it  could be  used by  other community  members and                                                                    
increase access to childcare for all.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Capozzi  addressed a concern  with the  sunset provision                                                                    
of 2028. The tax credits were  used by the chamber to invest                                                                    
in the  University of  Alaska and  a multitude  of workforce                                                                    
development programs.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:07:36 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  mentioned the  oil and gas  severance tax.                                                                    
He  asked how  the  tax worked  for  support companies  that                                                                    
employed  truck  drivers,  construction  workers.  He  asked                                                                    
whether those  satellite companies,  who supported  the work                                                                    
of the oil and gas industry, would qualify for the credit.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Capozzi relayed that if  they paid corporate income tax,                                                                    
they would qualify for the credit.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman  noted  that  a  representative  from  the                                                                    
Department of Revenue was available for questions.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman wanted  to hear  from  the department.  He                                                                    
worried that those support companies  might be excluded from                                                                    
the credits.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:08:54 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
BRANDON  SPANOS, DEPUTY  DIRECTOR, TAX  DIVISION, DEPARTMENT                                                                    
OF  REVENUE   (via  teleconference),  addressed   whether  a                                                                    
trucking company  would be subject  to the tax  credits, and                                                                    
relayed  that  it  would  depend  on  how  the  company  was                                                                    
structured  and whether  they  paid one  of  the taxes  that                                                                    
could claim the credit.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  thought  most of  the  support  companies                                                                    
would not qualify  for the credits because they  were not C-                                                                    
Corps.  He asked  whether the  processors and  the fishermen                                                                    
would both benefit from the landing tax.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Spanos  relayed   that  the   taxes  applied   to  the                                                                    
processers.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked for further clarification.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Spanos relayed that the  Fishing Business Tax was by the                                                                    
fishing processing entity. The  Fishing Landing Tax was paid                                                                    
by the exporter.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked whether fishermen would not qualify.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Spanos relayed that fishermen did not pay the tax.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  relayed that there were  other people from                                                                    
the administration available for questions.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:12:34 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman OPENED public testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:12:52 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
STEPHANIE BERGLUND, CHIEF  EXECUTIVE OFFICER, THREAD ALASKA,                                                                    
ANCHORAGE  (via teleconference),  spoke  in  support of  the                                                                    
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:16:16 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman CLOSED public testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:16:32 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl  reviewed three fiscal notes.  He addressed FN                                                                    
1, from  Department of Labor and  Workforce Development, OMB                                                                    
component 336. The note contained zero fiscal impact.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl  addressed  FN  2,  from  the  Department  of                                                                    
Revenue, OMB  component 2476. The  note reflected  zero cost                                                                    
and indeterminate incr4ease in revenue in FY29 and FY29.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl  addressed  FN  3,  from  the  Department  of                                                                    
Community,   Commerce,   and   Economic   Development,   OMB                                                                    
component 354. The note reflected zero fiscal impact.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  relayed that the three  fiscal notes would                                                                    
be considered  by the Conference Committee  on the Operating                                                                    
and Capital Budgets.                                                                                                            
SB 96 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                               
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
10:17:58 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 10:17 a.m.                                                                                         

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 97 RHAK Letter SB 97 Senate Finance Committee.pdf SFIN 4/25/2025 9:00:00 AM
SB 97
SB 95 Supporting Documents- Historic Document Packet.pdf SFIN 4/25/2025 9:00:00 AM
SHSS 3/25/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 95
SB 95 Sectional Analysis 3.25.25.pdf SFIN 4/25/2025 9:00:00 AM
SHSS 3/25/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 95
SB 95 SB 96 SB 97 Motion for Stay Oppn Reply.pdf SFIN 4/25/2025 9:00:00 AM
SB 95
SB 96
SB 97
SB 95 SB 96 SB 97 Motion for Summary Judgment.pdf SFIN 4/25/2025 9:00:00 AM
SB 95
SB 96
SB 97
SB96 Sectional Analysis ver A.pdf SFIN 4/25/2025 9:00:00 AM
SL&C 3/14/2025 1:30:00 PM
SB 96
SB96 Supporting Documents-Historic Document Packet.pdf SFIN 4/25/2025 9:00:00 AM
SL&C 3/14/2025 1:30:00 PM
SB 96
SB 97 Combined Historical Documents Provided by (S)RES 2.26.25.pdf SFIN 4/25/2025 9:00:00 AM
SRES 3/10/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 97
SB 97 Comments Resident Hunters of Alaska.pdf SFIN 4/25/2025 9:00:00 AM
SRES 3/10/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 97
SB 97 Committee Sponsor Statement .pdf SFIN 4/25/2025 9:00:00 AM
SB 97
SB 97 Committee Sectional Anlysis.pdf SFIN 4/25/2025 9:00:00 AM
SRES 3/10/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 97
Explanation of Changes SB 97-SSSB253.pdf SFIN 4/25/2025 9:00:00 AM
SRES 3/10/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 97
SB 253
SB 97 Supporting Document SCI AK 4.18.25.pdf SFIN 4/25/2025 9:00:00 AM
SB 97
SB 97 Public Testimony Allmeroth.pdf SFIN 4/25/2025 9:00:00 AM
SB 97