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12/02/2019 09:30 AM SELECT COMMITTEE ON LEGISLATIVE ETHICS

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09:10:42 AM Start
10:22:08 AM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
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Approve Agenda
Approval of Minutes: August 14 Full Committee
August 14 House Subcommittee
Public Comment
Advisory Opinion: AO 19-06 Compassionate gift
exemption class of people-waive confidentiality
Review of Committee Rules of Procedure
Chair/Staff Report:
a) Internship program notification (AS 24.60.080)
and Committee Rules of Procedure sec. 2(f)
b) NCSL Ethics training proposal
State Benefit and Loan Program Review
Other Business
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
             SELECT COMMITTEE ON LEGISLATIVE ETHICS                                                                           
                        DECEMBER 2, 2019                                                                                      
                             9:30 AM                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                     Full Committee Meeting                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:10:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1. CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Deb Fancher called the meeting to order at 9:37 a.m.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Roll call                                                                                                                     
Senator John Coghill                                                                                                            
Senator Elvi Gray-Jackson (Alternate for Senator Tom Begich)                                                                    
Representative Louise Stutes                                                                                                    
Skip Cook                                                                                                                       
Conner Thomas                                                                                                                   
Deb Fancher                                                                                                                     
Alternate Patrick FitzGerald                                                                                                    
Quorum present.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Absent                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                              
Senator Tom Begich                                                                                                              
Representative DeLena Johnson                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
Others                                                                                                                        
Jerry Anderson                                                                                                                  
Jacqui Yeagle                                                                                                                   
Dan Wayne                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Deb Fancher entertained a motion to approve the agenda.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Jerry Anderson recommended removal of the Rules of Procedure                                                                    
discussion because Joyce Anderson, the principal architect of the                                                               
changes to the document, was absent.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Deb Fancher asked if there were objections to or questions about                                                                
Jerry Anderson's recommendation. There were no objections or                                                                    
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator John Coghill moved to amend the agenda.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Deb Fancher entertained discussion of the motion.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
There was no  discussion and there were no  objections; the agenda                                                              
was approved.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Deb Fancher  entertained a motion  to approve the August  14, 2019                                                              
Full Committee meeting minutes.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Conner Thomas moved  to approve the minutes.  Senator John Coghill                                                              
seconded the  motion. There were  no objections. The  minutes were                                                              
approved.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Deb Fancher  entertained a motion  to approve the August  14, 2019                                                              
House Subcommittee meeting minutes.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Skip  Cook  moved  to  approve  the  minutes.  Patrick  FitzGerald                                                              
seconded the  motion. There were  no objections. The  minutes were                                                              
approved.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4. PUBLIC COMMENT                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Deb Fancher asked for public comment.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Taralyn Dicus  identified herself  and said she  wanted to  make a                                                              
public comment.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Taralyn Dicus  said that she  lives in Wasilla  and is a  wife and                                                              
mother  of three  small  children.  She added  that  she has  been                                                              
following  on  Facebook  her  district's  elected  representative,                                                              
David Eastman, and is becoming  increasingly disturbed and alarmed                                                              
by the way he conducts himself on social media.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Taralyn Dicus  said she  had been in  contact with  Jerry Anderson                                                              
about her  concerns and  she asked  that Representative  Eastman's                                                              
multiple official social media profiles  be examined and condensed                                                              
into  a single profile  so  that what  he posts in  the future  is                                                              
consistent with and  no longer in violation of  the current Alaska                                                              
Legislature's  social media  guidelines. She  also asked  that the                                                              
existing  social  media  guidelines  be reviewed  and  updated  to                                                              
prevent future misconduct by elected officials.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Taralyn   Dicus  read   from   the  current   Alaska   Legislature                                                              
guidelines:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
   • Perception is reality. In online social networks, the lines                                                                
      between public and private, personal and professional are                                                                 
      blurred. Just by  identifying yourself  as a  State employee                                                              
      or elected  official,  you  are creating  perceptions  about                                                              
      your expertise.  Be sure  that all  content associated  with                                                              
      you is consistent with your work and  with the Legislature's                                                              
      professional standards.                                                                                                   
   • Write what you know. Make sure you write and post about                                                                    
      your areas of expertise.                                                                                                  
   • Social communication should add value. It should be                                                                        
      thought-provoking and build a sense of community.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Taralyn Dicus questioned  how, if these are the  guidelines, it is                                                              
okay for Representative Eastman  to regularly post misinformation,                                                              
satire, bigoted  opinion pieces,  and divisive  partisan rhetoric?                                                              
How is  it improving knowledge or  solving problems to  post anti-                                                              
trans propaganda on  Trans Remembrance Day? How is  it relevant or                                                              
professional  for  him  to  post  ghoulish,  graphic  accounts  of                                                              
fetuses being dismembered on Mother's Day?                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Taralyn   Dicus   commented  that   Representative   Eastman   has                                                              
repeatedly  abused his  position of  power to  rile, inflame,  and                                                              
influence  constituents with  his personal  religious agenda.  She                                                              
said that she  thinks Representative Eastman needs  to be reminded                                                              
that  he  exists   in  an  official  capacity   to  represent  his                                                              
constituents in the state of Alaska, not himself or his religion.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
As a woman and a mother in his  district, Taralyn Dicus feels that                                                              
her  rights  and   her  children's  future  rights   are  directly                                                              
threatened by  his attempts to  misinform voters in  the community                                                              
about important human rights issues  such as LGBTQ inclusivity and                                                              
access to safe, legal abortions.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Taralyn Dicus realizes Alaska has  many, much bigger problems, but                                                              
this is important. She added that  with most people looking online                                                              
for  news and  information,  an  elected official's  social  media                                                              
presence can have  a powerful impact on public  opinion and policy                                                              
and it  is crucial that  our leaders conduct  themselves ethically                                                              
and with integrity at all times.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Taralyn Dicus thanked the committee for their time.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Deb Fancher thanked  Taralyn Dicus for her comments  and for being                                                              
part of the process.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5. ADVISORY OPINION  19-06 Compassionate  gift exemption  class of                                                          
   people  Waiver of confidentiality                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Deb  Fancher  invited  Dan  Wayne  to  speak  about  the  advisory                                                              
opinion.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Dan Wayne  identified  himself and  said that he  had drafted  the                                                              
opinion.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Dan Wayne  directed attention to the  first page of the  draft and                                                              
the questions  he addressed. Wayne  explained there were  no facts                                                              
in  this  case, that  the  opinion  begins  by setting  forth  the                                                              
statute,  and  then  suggested  that   he  move  directly  to  the                                                              
conclusion and to addressing the committee's questions.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Deb Fancher agreed to Dan Wayne's  approach to reviewing the draft                                                              
opinion  and explained  to  the audience  that  the draft  opinion                                                              
addressed compassionate gifts.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Dan Wayne  read the first question:  What persons are  entitled to                                                              
make  a  request  for  a compassionate  gift  exemption  under  AS                                                              
24.60.075(b)  and (e)?  Is this class  of persons  limited  to the                                                              
"recipient or members of the recipient's immediate family"?                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Dan Wayne  then read the  conclusion: Legislators  and legislative                                                              
employees   are  the   only   persons   entitled  to   request   a                                                              
compassionate gift  exemption under  AS 24.60.075. Dan  Wayne said                                                              
that the  conclusion was based on  AS 24.60.075, which he  read in                                                              
part: "... a legislator or legislative  employee, ... may solicit,                                                              
receive, or accept a compassionate  gift from a person, subject to                                                              
the limitations  of this section."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Dan Wayne  read the second  question: What  is the full  extent of                                                              
persons  entitled to  be  a "recipient"  of  a compassionate  gift                                                              
exemption under  AS 24.60.075(e)? Does the term  "recipient" refer                                                              
to the actual person who has  incurred the qualifying catastrophe,                                                              
tragedy, or health-related emergency?                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Dan Wayne said  Sec. 24.60.075(e) defines a  compassionate gift: "                                                              
... a solicited  or unsolicited gift intended to aid  or comfort a                                                              
recipient or a member of the recipient's  immediate family   " Dan                                                              
Wayne speculated that in reading the  section it could be inferred                                                              
that  a family  member may  request  a compassionate  gift but  he                                                              
countered  that  no,  only a  legislative  employee  can  solicit,                                                              
accept, or receive a compassionate gift,  which is not to say that                                                              
a family may not  benefit from the gift, but  the transaction must                                                              
be through a legislator or legislative employee.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Dan Wayne  read the  conclusion to  the question:  "A member  of a                                                              
legislator's or  legislative employee's  immediate family  may not                                                              
solicit  (request) a  compassionate gift  unless they  are also  a                                                              
legislator or legislative employee;  however, they may receive aid                                                              
and comfort  from a compassionate gift  when they are a  member of                                                              
the immediate family  of a legislator or legislative  employee who                                                              
receives the compassionate gift."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Dan Wayne  read the third  question: What information  is required                                                              
in  a  request  for  a  compassionate   gift  exemption  under  AS                                                              
24.60.075(b)?                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Dan Wayne  explained he reviewed the  statute and included  in the                                                              
draft all  of the  requirements he  could find  and added  for the                                                              
committee's consideration a couple of requirements as well.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Dan Wayne read the answer to the  question: In order for a written                                                              
request to satisfy the requirements  of AS 24.60.075, it should at                                                              
a  minimum  contain   (1)  the  identity  of   the  legislator  or                                                              
legislative employee  requesting the  compassionate gift;  (2) the                                                              
identity  of the  legislator or  legislative employee  who is  the                                                              
recipient of the  gift; (3) the identity of the  person who is the                                                              
source of the  gift, if known; (4) a description  of the gift; (5)                                                              
the fair market  value of the gift,  to the extent its  fair value                                                              
can be determined; [he noted at  this point that the word "market"                                                              
was missing from  the sentence] and, (6) a description  of how the                                                              
gift  will  aid or  comfort  the  recipient  or  a member  of  the                                                              
recipient's immediate  family in contending with  a catastrophe, a                                                              
tragedy, or a health-related emergency.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Dan Wayne asked for discussion or questions about the draft.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Conner Thomas asked about the last  part of question two: Does the                                                              
term "recipient" refer  to the actual person who  has incurred the                                                              
qualifying catastrophe, tragedy, or health-related emergency?                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Dan  Wayne  responded  that  the  recipient  always  refers  to  a                                                              
legislator  or  legislative  employee;  however,  the  person  who                                                              
incurs the catastrophe,  tragedy, or health-related  emergency may                                                              
be a family member of the legislator or legislative employee.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Deb Fancher asked Conner Thomas if the answer was clear.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Conner Thomas  responded that  the answer seemed  to be  clear and                                                              
said he  understood that the recipient  may not be the  person who                                                              
incurred the catastrophe.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Deb  Fancher asked  Dan  Wayne  if Conner  Thomas's  understanding                                                              
aligned with the draft's conclusion.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Dan Wayne agreed  that Conner Thomas's understanding  aligned with                                                              
the draft  and added that  it was complicated  but he tried  to be                                                              
concise because he did not think  adding more words would makes it                                                              
less complicated.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Conner Thomas said he was satisfied with the answer.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Elvi Gray-Jackson  asked for more clarification  about the                                                              
nature of a compassionate gift.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Skip Cook  offered to give  examples from  the past to  respond to                                                              
Senator Gray-Jackson's question.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Deb Fancher directed Skip Cook to continue.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Skip Cook  said there was  a senator  who needed help  with travel                                                              
and  cancer treatment.  All of  the  compassionate gift  exemption                                                              
requests were from the person who was injured.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Deb  Fancher asked  Senator John  Coghill  to add  to Skip  Cook's                                                              
answer.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator  John Coghill  said  the senator  under  discussion had  a                                                              
kidney  problem and  a  legislative employee  wanted  to donate  a                                                              
kidney, which  was prohibited  and that  is why the  compassionate                                                              
gift exemption was established. The  wife of the legislator needed                                                              
to  handle the  process  and so  the request  came  from a  family                                                              
member. The  exemption was  intended for those  who know  and work                                                              
with each other.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Coghill  added that the  market value  of a gift,  in this                                                              
case  of donating  a  kidney,  was  difficult to  define.  Senator                                                              
Coghill told  Dan Wayne  that it was  fine to  leave out  the word                                                              
"market" [in the answer to question three].                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Dan  Wayne asked  Deb Fancher  if  he could  address Senator  John                                                              
Coghill's remark about value.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Deb  Fancher  agreed   and  Dan  Wayne  read  the   term  from  AS                                                              
24.60.075(d): ..."the value  of a gift shall be  determined by the                                                              
fair market  value" and so the  term will always mean  fair market                                                              
value even if the opinion says value.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator John Coghill acknowledged  Dan Wayne's point and said that                                                              
it was fine to use the term fair market value in the opinion.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Dan Wayne  proposed that  he add  a comment  that might  frame the                                                              
issue more clearly.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Deb Fancher agreed to Dan Wayne's proposal.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Dan Wayne asked Deb Fancher if he could help frame the issue.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Deb Fancher agreed to Dan Wayne's proposal.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Dan Wayne said  that the Ethics Act only apply  to legislators and                                                              
legislative employees  and in some  cases, only to members  of the                                                              
committee  and   to  former   legislators.  While   lobbyists  are                                                              
mentioned;  for example,  AS 24.60.080  says you  can't receive  a                                                              
gift from a lobbyist.  AS 24.60.080 does not say  a lobbyist can't                                                              
gift  you gift.  That  prohibition is  under  another statute.  It                                                              
mentions a  family member but you  can't file an  ethics complaint                                                              
against a lobbyist or family member.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Dan Wayne continued,  saying that the Ethics Act  does not prevent                                                              
a person  who is  not a  legislator or  legislative employee  from                                                              
raising money or soliciting gifts.  Dan Wayne added that he wanted                                                              
to make  sure that it  was understood  that a non-legislator  or -                                                              
legislative employee may solicit or accept a gift.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Deb  Fancher asked  Senator Elvi  Gray-Jackson  if the  discussion                                                              
answered her question.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Elvi Gray-Jackson replied that it did.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Skip Cook asked to speak.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Deb Fancher recognized Skip Cook.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Skip Cook  addressed the first full  paragraph on page  three: "AS                                                              
24.60.075 allows  a legislator or legislative employee  to request                                                              
a  compassionate  gift  for  himself or  herself  or  for  another                                                              
legislator or legislative employee."  Skip Cook stated that he did                                                              
not  read  the  statute  that  way.  He  said  he  agrees  that  a                                                              
legislator  or legislative  employee may  request a  compassionate                                                              
gift for  him or herself, but  in his reading of  AS 24.60.075(a):                                                              
..."a legislator  or a legislative employee may  solicit, receive,                                                              
or accept a ...  gift from a person, subject  to ... limitations,"                                                              
it does not  say a legislator or legislative  employee can request                                                              
a gift for another person.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Deb  Fancher  called  on  Dan Wayne  to  respond  to  Skip  Cook's                                                              
comment.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Dan  Wayne replied  that  the committee  could  interpret it  more                                                              
narrowly if it  so chooses, or they could interpret  it in the way                                                              
the draft is written.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Skip  Cook  said  he  did  not see  how  Dan  Wayne  came  to  the                                                              
conclusion he did based on the language in the statute.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Dan  Wayne said  that the  statute says  they can  request a  gift                                                              
from; for example, a legislative employee  can request a gift from                                                              
his or her parent for his or her child.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Skip Cook  responded that he  understood Dan  Wayne to say  that a                                                              
legislator  can   request  a  gift   for  another   legislator  or                                                              
legislative employee.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Dan Wayne  said that  another legislator  or legislative  employee                                                              
can receive and accept a gift.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Skip Cook  agreed that a  legislator could receive  an unsolicited                                                              
gift  but  insisted  he  did  not   see  language  that  allows  a                                                              
legislator  or legislative  employee  to ask  for a  compassionate                                                              
gift for another person - only for themselves.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Dan  Wayne  said  AS  24.60.080  allows  legislators  to  solicit,                                                              
accept, and  receive gifts on  behalf of  others - a  charity, for                                                              
example.  Dan Wayne  added that  as long  as the  recipient was  a                                                              
legislator   or  legislative   employee   another  legislator   or                                                              
legislative  employee would  be allowed  to request  or solicit  a                                                              
gift.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Skip Cook countered that he agreed  that would be nice but statute                                                              
does not say that.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Dan Wayne  said that  is the  history [of  the compassionate  gift                                                              
exemption]. Dan Wayne  said that if his memory is  correct, in the                                                              
example  of  the  legislator  who  needed  a  kidney,  legislative                                                              
employees solicited help. The legislator  did not solicit a kidney                                                              
for himself.  Dan Wayne  suggested that  Senator John  Coghill may                                                              
have a better memory of the event.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator John Coghill  concurred with Dan Wayne's  opinion and said                                                              
that  a safeguard  in subsection  B  requires legislative  council                                                              
review   to  ensure   the  solicitation   is   done  orderly   and                                                              
appropriately. Senator  John Coghill added  that the intent  is to                                                              
not make  someone a  bad actor  because they  are looking  out for                                                              
someone else's well-being.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Skip Cook said  that agreed with Senator John Coghill  but did not                                                              
know if the  statute allows soliciting for  another but understood                                                              
that you want people to be compassionate.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Deb Fancher asked if there were further discussion.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Conner Thomas addressed  Skip Cook's comment. Conner  Thomas asked                                                              
Skip  Cook  where   the  statute  limits  solicitation   only  for                                                              
themselves.                                                                                                                     
Skip Cook  replied that the statute  does not address  whether the                                                              
solicitation is for themselves or another person.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Conner Thomas  said that on reading  the statute more  broadly, if                                                              
the recipient  does not  have to  be the  person who suffered  the                                                              
catastrophe, then soliciting for another is acceptable.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Skip Cook withdrew his objection.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Deb Fancher noted that some of the  committee members did not have                                                              
the history and thanked Skip Cook for initiating the discussion.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Deb  Fancher  asked for  other  comments.  There were  no  further                                                              
comments.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Deb Fancher  asked Jerry Anderson to  conduct a roll call  vote on                                                              
draft Advisory Opinion 19-06.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Jerry Anderson read the summary:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
      Formal Advisory Opinion  AO 19-06  advises what  persons may                                                              
      make a  request for  compassionate gift  exemption under  AS                                                              
      24.60.075 and who may be the recipient of  a gift under that                                                              
      section. This advisory  opinion  states what information  is                                                              
      required in a request for a compassionate gift exemption.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
      Roll Call Vote [is] to  concur or not concur  with the draft                                                              
      opinion. A vote  of yes will  be a vote  to concur  with the                                                              
      draft opinion [as amended  in committee discussion].  A vote                                                              
      of no  will be  to not  concur  with the  draft opinion  [as                                                              
      amended in committee discussion].                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Jerry Anderson  prompted  the members  about the amendment  during                                                              
the discussion to add the word "market" be added on page seven.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Jerry Anderson conducted a roll call vote.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Roll Call Vote                                                                                                                
Senator Elvi Gray-Jackson        Y                                                                                              
Representative Louise Stutes     Y                                                                                              
Skip Cook                        Y                                                                                              
Conner Thomas                    Y                                                                                              
Deb Fancher                      Y                                                                                              
Patrick FitzGerald               Y                                                                                              
Senator John Coghill             Y                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
The Ethics  Committee adopted  Advisory  Opinion 19-06  as amended                                                              
with a vote of 7-0.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
6. REVIEW OF COMMITTEE RULES OF PROCEDURE                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Deb Fancher  stated that  agenda item 6,  Rules of  Procedure, had                                                              
been moved to the next meeting                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
7. CHAIR/STAFF REPORT                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Dan Wayne asked to be excused from the remainder of the meeting.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Deb Fancher excused Dan Wayne from  the meeting, then proceeded to                                                              
confirm  with Jerry  Anderson  that there  was  nothing to  report                                                              
about  the  first item  under  the  chair  and staff  report,  the                                                              
internship program change.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Jerry Anderson confirmed Deb Fancher's statement.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Deb  Fancher requested  Jerry Anderson  speak  about the  National                                                              
Conference of State Legislatures training  planned for January 20,                                                              
2020.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Jerry  Anderson   said  that  there  are  two   training  sessions                                                              
scheduled for new  employees, at which the  National Conference of                                                              
State Legislature will conduct the  human rights training that was                                                              
formerly conducted by the Human Rights  Commission and some of the                                                              
ethics training  component.  Jerry Anderson  said that  the three-                                                              
hour trainings  will be recorded for  viewing by employees  who do                                                              
not attend one of those training sessions.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Jerry  Anderson  said  that  because  the  next  Ethics  Committee                                                              
meeting is  scheduled for January  21, some of the  public members                                                              
are arriving for the meeting on  January 20 and expressed interest                                                              
in  attending  the  afternoon  training  session.  Jerry  Anderson                                                              
invited interested legislative members to attend as well.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8. STATE BENEFIT AND  LOAN PROGRAM  REVIEW UNDER AS  24.60.050 and                                                          
   COMMITTEE RULES OF PROCEDURE SECTION 2(h)                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Deb  Fancher  said  that  the  committee  needed  to  approve  the                                                              
deletion of one program.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Elvi Gray-Jackson  asked for  more information  about the                                                              
action needed.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Deb Fancher asked Jerry Anderson to respond to Senator Elvi Gray-                                                               
Jackson's request.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Jerry  Anderson  explained  there   are  state  benefit  and  loan                                                              
programs  that  are  subject  to  disclosure  by  legislators  and                                                              
legislative employees.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Jerry Anderson said that the ethics  office had been informed that                                                              
the University of Alaska Land  Management Program no longer exists                                                              
and its removal from the list  was requested. Jerry Anderson added                                                              
that a list  of the programs  subject to disclosure appear  in the                                                              
handbook under Appendix C.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Elvi   Gray-Jackson  thanked   Jerry  Anderson   for  his                                                              
response.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Conner  Thomas   asked  for  permission  to  speak.   Deb  Fancher                                                              
consented.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Conner Thomas  asked for  confirmation that  the list  provided in                                                              
the packet  is the  updated list  without the  UA Land  Management                                                              
Program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Jerry Anderson responded that it was  the 2020 list and noted that                                                              
there was reference to 2019 that needed removal.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Deb Fancher  entertained a  motion to approve  the 2020  list with                                                              
the amendment removing the reference to 2019.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Louise  Stutes so moved. Senator  Elvi Gray-Jackson                                                              
seconded the motion.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Deb Fancher  directed Jerry Anderson  to conduct a roll  call vote                                                              
on  the  motion,  stating  that  a  vote  in  the  affirmative  is                                                              
agreement to delete the UA Land Management Program.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Jerry Anderson conducted a roll call  vote on deleting the UA Land                                                              
Management  Program  from  the  list of  state  benefit  and  loan                                                              
programs subject to disclosure.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Roll Call                                                                                                                     
Senator John Coghill             Y                                                                                              
Senator Elvi Gray-Jackson        Y                                                                                              
Representative Louise Stutes     Y                                                                                              
Chair Cook                       Y                                                                                              
Conner Thomas                    Y                                                                                              
Deb Fancher                      Y                                                                                              
Patrick FitzGerald               Y                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
The Ethics Committee passed the motion 7-0.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9. OTHER BUSINESS                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Deb Fancher  reminded committee members  that the next  meeting is                                                              
scheduled for January 21, 2020 at 2:00 p.m.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10.ADJOURN                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
Deb Fancher entertained a motion to adjourn.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Elvi Gray-Jackson moved to adjourn the meeting.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Patrick FitzGerald seconded the motion.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Deb Fancher adjourned the meeting at 10:25 a.m.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:22:08 AM                                                                                                                 

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