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04/08/2024 03:30 PM Senate EDUCATION

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03:34:04 PM Start
03:35:34 PM Presentation: Alaska's 2015 School Finance Study and Recent Changes in Other States
04:06:25 PM Presentation: What is Adequacy? How Do We Measure It? Why Do We Care?
04:39:21 PM Presentation: Legislators Must Perform Their Constitutional Duty for Education
05:03:35 PM Adjourn
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-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
+ Presentation: Education Funding Research Review TELECONFERENCED
and Legal Considerations by
Justin Silverstein, CO-CEO of APA Consultants
Dr. Larry Picus, Professor of Education,
Finance and Policy at the University of
Southern California
Howard Trickey, Attorney with Schwabe,
Williamson & Wyatt
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**Streamed live on AKL.tv**
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               SENATE EDUCATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                            
                          April 8, 2024                                                                                         
                            3:34 p.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
 Senator Löki Tobin, Chair                                                                                                      
 Senator Gary Stevens, Vice Chair                                                                                               
 Senator Jesse Kiehl                                                                                                            
 Senator Elvi Gray-Jackson                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
 Senator Jesse Bjorkman                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
 COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
 PRESENTATION: ALASKA'S 2015 SCHOOL FINANCE STUDY AND RECENT                                                                    
 CHANGES IN OTHER STATES                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
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 PRESENTATION: WHAT IS ADEQUACY? HOW DO WE MEASURE IT? WHY DO WE                                                                
 CARE?                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
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 PRESENTATION: LEGISLATORS MUST PERFORM THEIR CONSTITUTITONAL                                                                   
 DUTY FOR EDUCATION                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
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 PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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 WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
 JUSTIN SILVERSTEIN, CO-CEO                                                                                                     
 Augenblick, Palaich and Associates                                                                                             
 Denver, Colorado                                                                                                               
 POSITION STATEMENT: Offered the presentation Alaska's 2015                                                                   
 School Finance Study and Recent Changes in Other States.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 LAWRENCE PICUS, Principal Partner                                                                                              
 Picus, Odden, and Associates                                                                                                   
 Los Angeles, California                                                                                                        
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Offered the  presentation What is  Adequacy?                                                            
 How Do We Measure It? Why Do We Care?                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
 HOWARD TRICKEY, Attorney                                                                                                       
 Schwabe, Williamson and Wyatt                                                                                                  
 Denver, Colorado                                                                                                               
 POSITION STATEMENT: Offered the presentation Legislators Must                                                                
 Perform Their Constitutional Duty for Education                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
 ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
 3:34:04 PM                                                                                                                   
 CHAIR LÖKI TOBIN called  the Senate Education  Standing Committee                                                            
 meeting to order at 3:34  p.m. Present at the call  to order were                                                              
 Senators Gray-Jackson, Stevens, Kiehl and Chair Tobin                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
 ^PRESENTATION: ALASKA'S  2015  SCHOOL  FINANCE STUDY  and  RECENT                                                              
 CHANGES IN OTHER STATES                                                                                                        
   PRESENTATION: ALASKA'S 2015 SCHOOL FINANCE STUDY and RECENT                                                              
                     CHANGES IN OTHER STATES                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
 3:35:34 PM                                                                                                                   
 CHAIR  TOBIN announced  the  presentation  Alaska's  2015  School                                                              
 Finance Study  and  Recent  Changes  in  Other States  by  Justin                                                              
 Silverstein. She  stated he  helped  support and  wrote the  2015                                                              
 report  Review  of   Alaska's  School  Funding  Program.   He  is                                                              
 considered a national expert in school finance.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 3:36:21 PM                                                                                                                   
 JUSTIN SILVERSTEIN, Co-CEO,  Augenblick, Palaich  and Associates,                                                              
 Denver, Colorado, offered  the presentation Alaska's  2015 School                                                              
 Finance Study and Recent Changes in Other  States. He stated that                                                              
 in addition to discussing the 2015 study he  would also dive into                                                              
 changes other states have  made and the processes  used to change                                                              
 their formulas.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 3:36:45 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR. SILVERSTEIN moved  to slide 2  and gave a  brief introduction                                                              
 to APA:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 [Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
      Who is APA?                                                                                                               
   • APA is a Denver-based education policy consulting firm                                                                     
      founded in 1983                                                                                                           
   • The firm has extensive experience working in all 50                                                                        
      states                                                                                                                    
   • APA has examined the structure of many state school                                                                        
        funding systems and helped design the systems in                                                                        
         states, including recent changes in Nevada and                                                                         
      Maryland                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
 3:37:20 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR. SILVERSTEIN moved to slide 3 and mentioned what he would                                                                   
 discuss in his presentation:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 [Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                      Today's Presentation                                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
      • Review of Types of School Finance Studies                                                                               
      • Overview of the 2015 Study                                                                                              
      • States that have recently changed their formulas                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 3:37:47 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR. SILVERSTEIN moved to slide 4, and discussed the three                                                                      
 components of finance studies:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                            Finance Studies                                                                                   
                                     Structural Review focuses on how the state's                                                                        
           system works and if it is meeting state needs                                                                        
        • Equity Study examines the horizontal, vertical,                                                                     
           and fiscal neutrality of a system                                                                                    
        • Adequacy Study measure the resources needed to                                                                      
           meet state standards                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 3:42:37 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR. SILVERSTEIN moved to slide 5 and began discussion of the                                                                   
 2015:                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                           2015 Study                                                                                         
       Study was mainly a structural review with an equity                                                                      
      study included:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
      1. Reviewed the structure of Alaska's current funding                                                                     
         structure;                                                                                                             
      2. Conducted interviews with district stakeholders to                                                                     
         understand how the current school finance structure                                                                    
         affects individual districts;                                                                                          
      3. Examined other states' approaches to school                                                                            
         funding;                                                                                                               
      4. Examined the equity of the current system, looking                                                                     
         at both district and taxpayer equity;                                                                                  
      5. Analyzed student performance across Alaska,                                                                            
        including the relationship between need, funding,                                                                       
         and performance;                                                                                                       
      6. Examined the state's sources of revenues; and                                                                          
     7. Developed recommendations for the state to consider                                                                     
         moving forward.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 3:44:37 PM                                                                                                                   
 SENATOR STEVENS  asked  for  an  analysis  of the  Alaska  school                                                              
 funding program, noting that  it seems overly complex.  He shared                                                              
 that, despite  having been  involved for  24 years, he  regularly                                                              
 needs experts  to  re-explain  the  system. He  wondered  whether                                                              
 Alaska's system is similar to  those in other states or  if it is                                                              
 unnecessarily complex.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
 MR. SILVERSTEIN  responded  that  he  does not  believe  Alaska's                                                              
 school  funding  system  is  overly  complex  compared  to  other                                                              
 states. He explained that there is a  baseline complexity in many                                                              
 state funding formulas. However, he emphasized  the importance of                                                              
 transparency and  predictability  in  a system  and  acknowledged                                                              
 that certain  elements  of Alaska's  formula  could benefit  from                                                              
 improvements in  these areas.  While Alaska's  system has  common                                                              
 components found in other  states, the way they  are combined may                                                              
 differ   slightly,   and   there   may   be   opportunities   for                                                              
 simplification. He concluded  that complexity is common  in state                                                              
 systems and some complexity is expected.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 3:46:42 PM                                                                                                                   
 SENATOR STEVENS  commented that  he would  have to  "man up"  and                                                              
 accept living with the complexities of the current system.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
 3:46:49 PM                                                                                                                   
 CHAIR TOBIN mentioned that  the 2015 study is available  on BASIS                                                              
 and was the result of a Request for  Proposal (RFP) issued by the                                                              
 Legislative  Budget  and Audit  Committee.  She  noted  that  APA                                                              
 Consulting successfully bid  on the RFP,  which is why  they were                                                              
 awarded the project.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
 3:47:05 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR. SILVERSTEIN moved to slide 6:                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
 [Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                 Alaska's School Funding Program                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
      Under  Alaska's   foundation   formula,  a   district's                                                                   
      funding (Basic Need)  is determined by  multiplying the                                                                   
      Base  Student  Allocation  (BSA),  as  defined  by  the                                                                   
      legislature, by  the  District  Adjusted Average  Daily                                                                   
      Membership (DAADM).  A district's  DAADM is  determined                                                                   
      using the following calculation:                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Average Daily x District Cost x Special Needs x Vocational                                                                 
       Membership,     Factor          Factor          and                                                                      
     Adjusted by                                     Technical                                                                  
     School Size                                     Funding                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
           Intensive  + Correspondence = District Adjusted                                                                      
      Services Student  Student Count    Average Daily                                                                          
                                         Membership                                                                             
         Outside of this funding formula, the state also                                                                        
     provides funding for transportation and capital.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. SILVERSTEIN provided a high-level  overview of Alaska's school                                                              
funding system. He explained that  the state generates a district-                                                              
adjusted average daily membership  (ADM) number, which attempts to                                                              
account for  both student and district  characteristic differences                                                              
by creating  a weighted  count. While  this adds  complexity, it's                                                              
not unusual compared  to other states. The main  challenge lies in                                                              
how  this  is   condensed  into  one  number,   which  can  reduce                                                              
transparency, though the  Department of Education does  a good job                                                              
of breaking down the steps in Excel spreadsheets each year.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:48:27 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SILVERSTEIN walked  through the key components,  starting with                                                              
the  average  daily  membership adjusted  by  school  size,  where                                                              
smaller  schools receive  additional funding.  Next, the  district                                                              
cost factor  adjusts for the cost  of doing business  in different                                                              
districts,  with   Anchorage  as  the  baseline  (1.0)   and  some                                                              
districts  facing costs  that  are  twice as  high  due to  unique                                                              
challenges, such as remote access and described an example.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SILVERSTEIN  continued  with the  special  needs  adjustment,                                                              
noting that  every district receives  a 20 percent  multiplier for                                                              
high-cost students,  though the same rate is  applied universally,                                                              
regardless of  a district's specific  needs. He also  mentioned an                                                              
adjustment  for vocational/technical  education (CTE)  and a  high                                                              
weight for students requiring  intensive services. Alaska uniquely                                                              
provides funding for  correspondence students as well.  Lastly, he                                                              
clarified that funding for transportation and capital is separate                                                               
from this formula.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
 3:50:50 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR. SILVERSTEIN moved to slide 7 which narrowed down 18 slides                                                                 
 of   recommendation   from    the   study   to    three   overall                                                              
 recommendations, which he discussed:                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
 [Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
      Recommendations: General Impressions                                                                                      
        • Formula has the right elements                                                                                        
        • The funding system does little to differentiate                                                                       
           funding based on actual student characteristics                                                                      
        • Equity concerns arise around the difficulty in                                                                        
           comparing wealth across districts and a lack of                                                                      
           correlation between a district's student needs                                                                       
           and spending                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
 3:52:31 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR. SILVERSTEIN moved to slide 8 and said the remainder of his                                                                 
 presentation will focus on formula changes:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 [Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              
                  Recent State Formula Changes                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
   • A number of states have changed their formulas in                                                                          
     recent years including Maryland, Nevada, and Tennessee                                                                     
   • Will look at what type of studies were done and the                                                                        
      types of changes to the formulas                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
 3:53:15 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR. SILVERSTEIN moved to slide 9 and discussed Maryland's                                                                      
 changes:                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 [Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                            Maryland                                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
        • State implemented a large-scale education reform                                                                      
           that included a new finance formula                                                                                  
        • The formula is built on aspects of adequacy,                                                                          
           equity, and structural reviews       Weights are                                                                     
           based on adequacy study                                                                                              
        • Bulk of changes are related to the new                                                                                
           initiatives implemented as  part of  the Blueprint                                                                   
           including career ladders, expanded  pre-K, college                                                                   
           and  career  readiness,  CTE,   and  services  for                                                                   
           concentrated poverty                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 3:55:27 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR. SILVERSTEIN  moved  to  slide  10  and spoke  to  changes  in                                                              
 Tennessee:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
 [Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                            Tennessee                                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
        • Tennessee's Investment in Student Achievement Act                                                                     
           (TISA) came about very quickly                                                                                       
        • Though equity was talked about as a key focus,                                                                        
           there does not appear to be a specific equity                                                                        
           study published on the impacts of the new formula                                                                    
        • Parameters are not based on an adequacy study                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
 3:56:55 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR. SILVERSTEIN  moved  to  slide  11  and provided  the  funding                                                              
 formula changes made by  Nevada, which in terms of  the degree of                                                              
 change in between Maryland and Tennessee:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 [Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                             Nevada                                                                                           
                                                                                                                              
        • Nevada replaced a formula from 1969 known as the                                                                      
           Nevada Plan                                                                                                          
        • The new Pupil Centered Funding Plan (PCFP) is in                                                                      
           part based on a 2018 finance study that included                                                                     
           an adequacy study and structural review                                                                              
        • Have continued implementation work being done by                                                                      
           NV's Commission on School Finance                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 3:59:13 PM                                                                                                                   
 SENATOR  KIEHL  asked   about  Tennessee's   student-centered  or                                                              
 student-focused formula,  which accounts  for different  types of                                                              
 student needs. He wanted more details on  how this approach works                                                              
 and noted that  Alaska currently uses  a block grant  for special                                                              
 education, which includes  gifted and  talented programs,  with a                                                              
 20 percent adjustment. He said Alaska  counts the intensive needs                                                              
 and can think of potentially six additional  categories to count.                                                              
 He wondered what it  would look like to categorize  students into                                                              
 more specific groups.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
 3:59:53 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR.  SILVERSTEIN  responded  that  Alaska   uses  a  census-based                                                              
 approach for  special education,  assuming  similar needs  across                                                              
 all  districts.  He  emphasized  the  importance  of  determining                                                              
 whether other student characteristics are strong  predictors of a                                                              
 district needing  more  resources  to achieve  similar  outcomes.                                                              
 Historically,   factors  like   poverty,   often   indicated   by                                                              
 eligibility  for   reduced-price   lunch,  have   been  seen   as                                                              
 predictors of  students  needing  additional resources,  such  as                                                              
 after-school  tutoring  or  summer  school.   He  also  mentioned                                                              
 English learners  (EL) as  another  group that  most states  fund                                                              
 differently. He noted  that determining funding for  these groups                                                              
 is often a  matter of philosophy. He  added that many  states are                                                              
 changing how  they  count at-risk  students  due  to the  federal                                                              
 Community Eligibility  Provision  for  free/reduced-price  lunch,                                                              
 which complicates using these counts in  school funding formulas.                                                              
 As a result, states are shifting to  direct certification or more                                                              
 complex models to calculate need differences between districts.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 4:01:35 PM                                                                                                                   
 CHAIR TOBIN said  she found the different  types of reviews  of a                                                              
 foundation formula  interesting.  She  noted that  the  committee                                                              
 would soon hear a presentation on an adequacy  study and that the                                                              
 state has  had recent  structural and  equity reviews.  She asked                                                              
 whether the  next step  for the  Alaska State  Legislature is  to                                                              
 conduct an  adequacy study  before  making any  revisions to  the                                                              
 foundation   formula.  Alternatively,   she   wondered   if   the                                                              
 Legislature  should  redo  the  previous  structural  and  equity                                                              
 studies using the structure that is in place today.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
 MR.  SILVERSTEIN expressed  that  conducting  an  adequacy  study                                                              
 could  be  valuable   as  it  helps   close  the  loop   for  all                                                              
 stakeholders in the  education system.  He explained that  such a                                                              
 study allows policymakers to  ask what resources are  required to                                                              
 meet  the  expectations  for  students,  teachers,  schools,  and                                                              
 districts. This, in  turn, could help  guide decisions  about the                                                              
 structure  of   the   system.   He  referenced   Senator   Kiel's                                                              
 conversation, noting that if  an adequacy study reveals  that the                                                              
 cost for serving English  learners is not significant,  there may                                                              
 be  no  need  to  adjust  the  formula   for  that.  However,  if                                                              
 substantial differences  in  costs  are  found, it  could  inform                                                              
 potential changes. He added that while  the structure of Alaska's                                                              
 system  has  not  changed  dramatically,   the  question  remains                                                              
 whether the  Base  Student  Allocation (BSA)  provides  districts                                                              
 with sufficient resources to meet state  standards when all other                                                              
 factors are considered.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 4:03:47 PM                                                                                                                   
 CHAIR TOBIN followed  up by referencing  a recent  national model                                                              
 adequacy study from Florida, conducted by  researchers at Rutgers                                                              
 and the University of  Miami, which indicated that  Alaska has an                                                              
 adequate  funding  formula.  She  asked   about  the  differences                                                              
 between reviews conducted by  firms like APA Consulting  or Picus                                                              
 Odden and that national model study.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
 4:04:15 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR.  SILVERSTEIN  explained  that  the  national  model  adequacy                                                              
 study, led by Dr. Bruce Bakerformerly  at Rutgers  and now at the                                                              
 University of  Miamiuses   a statistical  approach with  national                                                              
 data to  measure adequacy  in  education systems.  He noted  that                                                              
 this model  tends to  show underfunding  in urban districts,  but                                                              
 its analysis for rural  areas can be less precise.  He emphasized                                                              
 that the best practice is to use  multiple approaches, suggesting                                                              
 that combining Dr.  Baker's statistical  model with  methods like                                                              
 professional  judgment or  evidence-based  models  would  provide                                                              
 more comprehensive insights. He elaborated  that the professional                                                              
 judgment or evidence-based models build  up resource requirements                                                              
 from the ground up, working directly with  educators in the state                                                              
 to account for  contextual differences.  While Dr.  Baker's model                                                              
 offers an  external perspective  and additional  data points,  he                                                              
 pointed  out that  the  input-based  approaches  tend  to  better                                                              
 differentiate the needs  of various  student groups  and district                                                              
 characteristics,   offering    more    tailored   insights    for                                                              
 policymakers.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
 4:05:52 PM                                                                                                                   
 CHAIR TOBIN thanked him for his presentation.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
 ^PRESENTATION: WHAT IS ADEQUACY? HOW DO WE  MEASURE IT? WHY DO WE                                                              
 CARE?                                                                                                                          
 PRESENTATION: WHAT IS ADEQUACY? HOW DO WE MEASURE IT? WHY DO WE                                                            
                              CARE?                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
 4:06:25 PM                                                                                                                   
 CHAIR TOBIN announced the  presentation What is Adequacy?  How Do                                                              
 We Measure  It? Why Do  We Care?  She introduced  Mr. Picus  as a                                                              
 well-known  author  on   education  policy  and   that  completed                                                              
 education studies for many states in the U.S.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
 4:07:23 PM                                                                                                                   
 LAWRENCE PICUS, Principal  Partner, Picus, Odden  and Associates,                                                              
 Los Angeles, California, stated that his  association often works                                                              
 closely with APA. The work of both associations is very similar.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
 4:08:09 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR. PICUS moved to slide 2 and  provided the associations mission                                                              
 statement:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
 [Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                        Mission Statement                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
      Picus  Odden &  Associates  is  an  independent  school                                                                   
      finance  consulting group  whose  mission  is  to  work                                                                   
      collaboratively with  states  and  school districts  to                                                                   
      improve the  way  public  resources for  education  are                                                                   
      translated into improved student learning.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 4:08:31 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR. PICUS moved to slide  3 and said he would  primarily focus on                                                              
 Adequacy during his presentation:                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
 [Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                        What is Adequacy?                                                                                     
        • School Finance Adequacy estimates the resources                                                                       
           needed to provide sufficient funding to provide                                                                      
           all students an equal opportunity to learn to                                                                        
           high performance standards.                                                                                          
        • This    includes   appropriate    adjustments   for                                                                   
           individual characteristics of:                                                                                       
           •    Students                                                                                                        
           •    School districts and Schools                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 4:09:02 PM                                                                                                                   
 CHAIR TOBIN  said  she anticipated  that  her  question might  be                                                              
 addressed in the upcoming  presentation, but she asked  it anyway                                                              
 to prompt  discussion. She  referenced the  national model  study                                                              
 from  the  University  of  Miami,  which   focused  on  "adequate                                                              
 spending  for adequate  results,"  and  noted  that  the  current                                                              
 presentation mentions  "high  performance  standards." She  asked                                                              
 for an explanation of the difference  between aiming for adequate                                                              
 versus high expectations  and how  that distinction  might impact                                                              
 funding.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 4:09:35 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR. PICUS  explained  that  the  terms "adequacy"  and  "adequate                                                              
 levels of  funding"  might be  misunderstood.  He clarified  that                                                              
 adequacy refers to providing  enough funding for all  children to                                                              
 perform at  high levels,  rather than  just aiming for  "adequate                                                              
 standards." He referenced Bill Clune, who  introduced the concept                                                              
 of adequacy  in  school finance  in  1975  and acknowledged  that                                                              
 while "adequacy" may  not be  the perfect word,  it has  been the                                                              
 framework for funding discussions for the past 30 years.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 4:10:26 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR. PICUS moved to slide 3 and discussed  each of the four models                                                              
 for measuring school finance adequacy:                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
 [Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
      Four Models to Measure Adequacy                                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
        • Successful district/school                                                                                            
        • Cost function                                                                                                         
        • Professional judgment                                                                                                 
        • Evidence Based                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 4:14:09 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR. PICUS moved to  slide 4 and said  there are a lot  of reasons                                                              
 that   might  trigger   an   adequacy,   including   concern   by                                                              
 policymakers that schools need more money:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
      What Triggers Adequacy Studies?                                                                                         
        • Court cases and rulings                                                                                               
        • Positive state revenue projections                                                                                    
        • Political actions                                                                                                     
        • All of the above                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 4:15:30 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR. PICUS moved to slide 5 and addressed  how to go about doing a                                                              
 comprehensive evidence based (EB) study. Noting  that every study                                                              
 does not follow the same steps:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 [Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
              Elements of a Comprehensive EB Study                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
        • Review past studies                                                                                                   
        • Regular meetings with policymakers and                                                                                
           stakeholders                                                                                                         
        • Build initial EB Model including district-by-                                                                         
           district estimates                                                                                                   
        • Review the geographic cost index                                                                                      
        • Conduct Professional Judgment Panels                                                                                  
        • Case studies of high performing schools                                                                               
        • Develop options for the State's school funding                                                                        
           formula                                                                                                              
        • Revenue options for the state and school                                                                              
           districts                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
 4:19:15 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR. PICUS moved  to slide 6 and  provided a brief  description on                                                              
 the adequacy done for Anchorage 2023:                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
 [Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                  Anchorage 2023 Adequacy Study                                                                               
                                                                                                                              
        • Used Anchorage School District to estimate a new                                                                      
           BSA                                                                                                                  
        • Developed an alternative approach to computing                                                                        
           district WADM and allocating funds to school                                                                         
           districts                                                                                                            
        • High level of confidence that our model would                                                                         
           require an increase in the BSA.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 MR. PICUS  explained that  Anchorage, being  the 1.0 district  in                                                              
 the funding  formula,  asked his  team  to  estimate an  adequacy                                                              
 number. To do  this, they began  with student counts  and focused                                                              
 on  additional  costs  related  to  three   key  groups:  English                                                              
 language (EL) learners,  low-income students  (typically measured                                                              
 by  free  and  reduced-price  lunch   eligibility),  and  special                                                              
 education students which  gives an  unduplicated count of  the EL                                                              
 and low-income children. They calculated  the additional services                                                              
 these students  require, turning  that into  a weightsimilar   to                                                              
 Alaska's 1.2  block grant,  but with  different weights  for each                                                              
 group.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
 4:20:55 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR. PICUS  noted  that  while  Alaska's Base  Student  Allocation                                                              
 (BSA) is around  $6,000 per student,  the weighted  average daily                                                              
 membership of  school districts  often significantly  exceeds the                                                              
 raw student enrollment,  especially in districts  with additional                                                              
 needs. In Anchorage, for example, the  weighted average is nearly                                                              
 double the  actual  enrollment.  He  explained that  their  model                                                              
 estimates the  cost per  pupil  for Anchorage,  and their  report                                                              
 suggests  changes  to  how  the  formula  distributes  resources.                                                              
 Specifically, they would move  the cost adjustment to  the end of                                                              
 the  model  and  apply   it  based  on  weighted   average  daily                                                              
 attendance. Instead  of  the  1.2  block  grant, they  would  use                                                              
 specific  weights  from their  model  applied  to  the  count  of                                                              
 students with meet the specific needs.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
 4:22:19 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR. PICUS shared that  in Anchorage, they  conducted professional                                                              
 judgment studies in 2022  and 2023, and a similar  study in 2015,                                                              
 focused on  Anchorage's  unique needs.  One  specific issue  that                                                              
 emerged during these studies was snow  removal, which hadn't been                                                              
 considered in previous  models but  is significant in  Alaska. He                                                              
 concluded by stating  that their model  would result in  a higher                                                              
 BSAaround  $13,000 versus the current  $5,900though  the weighted                                                              
 average daily  membership  would likely  decrease  under the  new                                                              
 system.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 4:23:46 PM                                                                                                                   
 SENATOR KIEHL asked about  the value of moving  the district cost                                                              
 factor to the  end of  the formula instead  of the  beginning. He                                                              
 questioned whether it  would make  a difference,  referencing the                                                              
 associative  property  of  multiplication,  where  the  order  of                                                              
 multiplying numbers  does not  change the  outcome. He  asked for                                                              
 clarification on the reasoning behind this adjustment.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
 MR. PICUS responded that  moving the district cost  factor to the                                                              
 end of  the formula  likely wouldn't  change the overall  outcome                                                              
 much, noting that it's typically placed at the  end in most other                                                              
 states.  He   explained  that   doing  so   provides  a   clearer                                                              
 understanding  of  the  effects  of   various  adjustments  after                                                              
 establishing the base  cost for students, making  more conceptual                                                              
 sense.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
 SENATOR KIEHL acknowledged his reasoning.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 4:24:50 PM                                                                                                                   
 CHAIR TOBIN reflected on  the calculation and noted  the addition                                                              
 of  correspondence  students at  the  end  of  the  formula.  She                                                              
 wondered whether parentheses are used to  apply the district cost                                                              
 factor only  to brick-and-mortar  students  or if  correspondence                                                              
 students are  included in  the district  cost factor  multiplier.                                                              
 She suggested she  would follow  up to learn  more about  how the                                                              
 formula would look if the district cost factor  were moved to the                                                              
 end.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
 4:25:20 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR. PICUS  suggested  that  the  district  cost factor  could  be                                                              
 applied before considering correspondent students.  He raised the                                                              
 question  of whether  correspondent  students  also  face  higher                                                              
 costs due  to  the  conditions  in different  communities  across                                                              
 Alaska, such  as  the cost  of repairing  computers  they use  to                                                              
 participate  in  remote  learning.  This   would  help  determine                                                              
 whether  the  district  cost  factor  should  account  for  those                                                              
 expenses as well.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
 4:25:48 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR. PICUS moved to slide  7 and described the varied  work of his                                                              
 association for states and districts:                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
 [Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
      States and Districts Where Odden, Picus & Associates                                                                    
      Have Conducted Studies                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                              
        • Arkansas (3)                                                                                                          
        •  Wyoming (4+)                                                                                                         
        •  Vermont (4)                                                                                                          
        •  Kentucky (4)                                                                                                         
        •  Arizona (1)                                                                                                          
        • Maine (1)                                                                                                             
        • Maryland (1 with APA)                                                                                                 
        • Michigan (1 with APA)                                                                                                 
        • North Dakota (2)                                                                                                      
        • Nebraska (1)                                                                                                          
        • Kansas (1)                                                                                                            
        • Ohio (2 + state developed Model)                                                                                      
        • Pennsylvania (1)                                                                                                      
        • Texas (1)                                                                                                             
        • Wisconsin (1)                                                                                                         
        • Districts                                                                                                             
        • Little Rock (1)                                                                                                       
        • Anchorage (2)                                                                                                         
        • Beaverton (1)                                                                                                         
        • Picus worked with APA in Washington DC                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 4:28:27 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR. PICUS responded  to Senator  Stevens' earlier  question about                                                              
 complexity. He  recalled that  he had  once been  asked the  same                                                              
 question by  a  reporter. He  explained that,  in  his view,  the                                                              
 arithmetic  of school  finance  is  simple,  but  the  complexity                                                              
 arises  from   the  politics,   history,  and   the  process   of                                                              
 determining how to implement  the numbers. The challenge  lies in                                                              
 integrating those  numbers  into  50 different  taxation  systems                                                              
 across states,  each with  its  own history  and regulations.  He                                                              
 offered an  example from Vermont,  where each  town votes  on its                                                              
 own budget annually,  and then  must find a  way to  get whatever                                                              
 tax rate is  levied. Everyone gets the  same amount of  money per                                                              
 dollar of tax rate levy, which is a very complicated process.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
 4:29:39 PM                                                                                                                   
 CHAIR TOBIN mentioned that  Wyoming uses a hedonic  wage index to                                                              
 adjust  student funding  for  inflation.  She  asked  whether  an                                                              
 adequacy study typically provides insights  or recommendations on                                                              
 how to adjust  for inflation to  ensure base  student allocations                                                              
 retain their purchasing power.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 4:30:04 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR. PICUS explained that  the hedonic wage index is  one of three                                                              
 components Wyoming uses  to estimate  cost adjustments,  which is                                                              
 equivalent to  Alaska's  cost  adjustment. In  addition,  Wyoming                                                              
 includes an external  cost adjustment  to account  for inflation,                                                              
 recalculated every  five years.  He  noted that  if the  adequacy                                                              
 number  is, for  example,  $15,000  per  pupil  today,  it  could                                                              
 increase due  to  inflation  within  a  year. This  way  one  way                                                              
 Wyoming looked at how to adjust costs across the state.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 4:31:08 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR. PICUS mentioned that  another method used to  adjust costs is                                                              
 the competitive  wage  index, which  compares  wages for  similar                                                              
 jobs  across  different  regions.  For  instance,  if  hiring  an                                                              
 administrative  assistant   cost  more   in  Fairbanks   than  in                                                              
 Anchorage, Fairbanks would  receive a higher cost  adjustment. He                                                              
 recalled  that in  Wyoming,  there  was  controversy  over  which                                                              
 modelhedonic   or   competitive  wage   indexto   use,   as  some                                                              
 districts would  benefit  while other  would  receive a  negative                                                              
 adjustment depending on the choice. The  final compromise allowed                                                              
 districts to receive the highest adjustment  among three options:                                                              
 hedonic, comparable  wage  index, or  no  value  1.0. He  advised                                                              
 against adopting  such a  process  in Alaska.  He suggested  that                                                              
 Alaska might  leverage expertise  from the  University of  Alaska                                                              
 Anchorage to calculate and adapt these  adjustments to the unique                                                              
 aspects of the state.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
 4:32:52 PM                                                                                                                   
 SENATOR KIEHL asked for a definition of  "hedonic" in the context                                                              
 of the discussion.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
 4:33:10 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR. PICUS explained  the hedonic index  by using an  example from                                                              
 Wyoming, where living in  remote areas incurs higher  costs, such                                                              
 as traveling  long distances  for groceries.  The index  measures                                                              
 the  advantages   and  disadvantages   of  living  in   different                                                              
 locations, factoring in proximity to amenities  and major cities.                                                              
 He noted that  while the  hedonic index  once adjusted  for these                                                              
 regional costs, it has fallen out of favor  in the past 20 years.                                                              
 He is not aware  of any states  still using the index  method and                                                              
 most states now  use a comparative  wage index, which  focuses on                                                              
 differences  in  wages  across  regions,  to   account  for  cost                                                              
 variations in school finance systems.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
 4:35:49 PM                                                                                                                   
 CHAIR TOBIN  asked  how  long it  takes  to conduct  an  adequacy                                                              
 study, noting that the Anchorage report from  January 2023 is 116                                                              
 pages  and quite  comprehensive.  She  inquired  about  the  time                                                              
 required to produce such  a report from a  statewide perspective,                                                              
 especially considering its length and depth.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 4:36:18 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR. PICUS explained that  the time to complete  an adequacy study                                                              
 varies. For  Anchorage,  they  updated previous  research  rather                                                              
 than  starting  from  scratch,  with   the  evidence-based  model                                                              
 evolving as  new research  emerges. Estimating  adequacy for  the                                                              
 entire state  would  take  longer  than  for a  single  district,                                                              
 especially if  data collection  is needed.  If the Department  of                                                              
 Education has the  data, the process  is quicker. He  mentioned a                                                              
 recent Vermont study completed in a month,  but a statewide study                                                              
 for Alaska with  case studies or  professional panels  would take                                                              
 longer depending on the study's scope and available data.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 ^PRESENTATION:  LEGISLATORS  MUST  PERFORM  THEIR  CONSTITUTIONAL                                                              
 DUTY FOR EDUCATION                                                                                                             
                          PRESENTATION:                                                                                     
                 LEGISLATORS MUST PERFORM THEIR                                                                             
                CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY FOR EDUCATION                                                                           
                                                                                                                              
 4:39:21 PM                                                                                                                   
 CHAIR TOBIN announced  the presentation Legislators  Must Perform                                                              
 Their Constitutional Duty for Education.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 4:39:57 PM                                                                                                                   
 HOWARD TRICKEY, Attorney, Schwabe, Williamson  and Wyatt, Denver,                                                              
 Colorado, gave  a  brief  history  of  his career  and  work  for                                                              
 Alaska.  He said  he  was  a  trial  attorney in  the  Moore  and                                                              
 Kasayulie cases and discussed the key findings  of the Moore case                                                              
 and their relevance to education funding.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 4:41:43 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR. TRICKEY  outlined four  key obligations  the state of  Alaska                                                              
 must follow  under  the education  clause in  art.  VII, sec.  6,                                                              
 Constitution of the State  of Alaska, as defined  by Judge Sharon                                                              
 Gleason, which  should  govern  how decisions  are  made  by  the                                                              
 legislature  when  it   comes  to   education  funding   and  the                                                              
 sufficiency of education funding.:                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
   1. The state must adopt standards defining what children                                                                     
      should learn.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
   2. The state must establish methods to assess children's                                                                     
      progress.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
   3. The state must provide adequate funding to enable schools                                                                 
      to meet those standards.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
   4. The state must maintain oversight to ensure local districts                                                               
      comply with these standards.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
 4:42:56 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR. TRICKEY  emphasized that  Judge Gleason's  ruling set  a high                                                              
 standard for proficiency in  reading, writing, and math,  as well                                                              
 as meaningful  access to  content standards,  such as  geography,                                                              
 government and  the arts. All  of which  requires more  than just                                                              
 meeting minimum benchmarks. He  noted that the legislature  has a                                                              
 duty to  ensure adequate  funding is  appropriated to  meet these                                                              
 constitutional obligations.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 4:46:19 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR. TRICKEY highlighted  the importance  of an adequacy  study in                                                              
 evaluating   whether  the   state's   education   funding   meets                                                              
 constitutional requirements, pointing  out that Alaska  has never                                                              
 conducted such a study. He also noted that  Judge Gleason, in her                                                              
 ruling,  considered  all  sources  of  funding,  not  just  state                                                              
 funding, including federal funds during the  No Child Left Behind                                                              
 era.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
 4:47:06 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR.  TRICKEY  raised  concerns  about  current  issues,  such  as                                                              
 inflation  not  being  accounted  for   in  funding  adjustments,                                                              
 teacher turnover,  and  unfunded  mandates  like the  Reads  Act,                                                              
 which requires  significant  resources.  He stressed  that  these                                                              
 factors, along  with  low  student  test scores  and  disruptions                                                              
 caused by COVID-19,  must be considered when  determining funding                                                              
 adequacy.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 4:51:03 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR. TRICKEY urged the  legislature to fulfill  its constitutional                                                              
 duty by supporting a  comprehensive adequacy study  and reviewing                                                              
 evidence   to  adjust   the   Base   Student   Allocation   (BSA)                                                              
 appropriately. He warned  that the  state risks being  found non-                                                              
 compliant  with  its  constitutional   obligations  without  such                                                              
 actions.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 4:51:54 PM                                                                                                                   
 SENATOR  STEVENS   expressed  appreciation   for  Mr.   Trickey's                                                              
 perspective and  then asked,  based on  his extensive  experience                                                              
 with Alaska's  education issues,  if  he believed  the state  has                                                              
 ever adequately funded education.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
 MR. TRICKEY  responded  by stating  that  there  have been  brief                                                              
 periods  where  education   funding  in  Alaska  may   have  been                                                              
 adequate,  but  this  was  not  due   to  intentional  design  or                                                              
 purposeful planning based on a thorough  study of school district                                                              
 and  student needs.  Instead,  these  periods  occurred  more  by                                                              
 accident when the state  had a healthy revenue  balance. He noted                                                              
 that while there  may have been  times of sufficient  funding, it                                                              
 was often more  a result of luck  than a structured  approach. He                                                              
 referred to  the Moore case,  in which  Judge Gleason  found that                                                              
 there was adequate  funding, though  this ruling  occurred before                                                              
 evidence-based studies  were fully developed.  At that  time, the                                                              
 state also benefited  from federal  funding through the  No Child                                                              
 Left Behind Act. He concluded that  Alaska has never consistently                                                              
 or intentionally funded  education adequately, aside  from brief,                                                              
 fortuitous periods.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
 4:54:15 PM                                                                                                                   
 SENATOR STEVENS  remarked  that it  is  "very embarrassing"  that                                                              
 education funding in Alaska was never intentionally adequate.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
 4:54:24 PM                                                                                                                   
 SENATOR  KIEHL   noted  that   some  colleagues  question   Judge                                                              
 Gleason's Moore  ruling, arguing  that the  Alaska Supreme  Court                                                              
 might have  ruled  differently  to avoid  setting  constitutional                                                              
 standards  on   legislative   policy   matters,  such   as   what                                                              
 constitutes  "adequate"  education.  He  pointed   out  that  the                                                              
 Supreme   Court  typically   leaves   decisions   like   resource                                                              
 management to policymakers. He  asked Mr. Trickey to  address the                                                              
 argument that  since "adequate"  isn't in  the Constitution,  the                                                              
 Supreme Court  would likely  leave this  issue to voters  through                                                              
 their elected legislators.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
 4:55:33 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR. TRICKEY said  he has two  responses to that  argument. First,                                                              
 it is the  courts' duty  to interpret  the Constitution  based on                                                              
 the intent of  the Constitutional Convention.  He noted  that the                                                              
 Alaska Supreme Court  does not  follow the "textualist"  approach                                                              
 embraced by  some U.S.  Supreme Court  justices and  views it  as                                                              
 their role to interpret  the Constitution. Second,  he referenced                                                              
 a case  involving the Matanuska-Susitna  Borough regarding  state                                                              
 funding for capital  projects. Two Alaska Supreme  Court justices                                                              
 commented that while  the issue  of adequately  funding education                                                              
 was not before the  court, they would likely follow  other states                                                              
 that  have   embraced  adequate   funding  as  a   constitutional                                                              
 requirement.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 4:58:09 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR. TRICKEY  emphasized that  Judge Gleason,  a highly  respected                                                              
 and independent  judge,  provided  a thorough  and  comprehensive                                                              
 analysis in  her ruling  and stated  his belief  that the  Alaska                                                              
 Supreme Court would  likely uphold it.  He also noted  that Judge                                                              
 Gleason's decision has  been cited  favorably by  legal scholars.                                                              
 and  concluded that  it  would  be  illogical  to  interpret  the                                                              
 Constitution as requiring a system of  education without ensuring                                                              
 adequate funding for that system.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
 5:00:25 PM                                                                                                                   
 SENATOR  STEVENS  noted  a  significant  difference  between  the                                                              
 legislature, particularly the Senate, and  the governor regarding                                                              
 charter  schools.  He  pointed  out  that   charter  schools  are                                                              
 currently under  the  control  of  local school  districts,  with                                                              
 local control being  a strong principle  in Alaska.  However, the                                                              
 governor  has pushed  for  charter  schools  to  come  under  the                                                              
 control of  the State Board  of Education.  He asked  Mr. Trickey                                                              
 for his reflections on this issue.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
 5:00:59 PM                                                                                                                   
 MR. TRICKEY responded  that he had  not yet considered  the issue                                                              
 from a constitutional perspective  but would be happy  to explore                                                              
 it further  and  potentially  submit  a supplemental  letter.  He                                                              
 acknowledged that  shifting  charter  school control  from  local                                                              
 school districts to the State Board  of Education would represent                                                              
 a  significant  departure  from  the   current  structure,  which                                                              
 delegates authority to local districts. He  emphasized that local                                                              
 districts are closest to  the community, have the  most knowledge                                                              
 of local needs, and understand their students best.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
 5:01:49 PM                                                                                                                   
 SENATOR STEVENS expressed his  appreciation and said  it would be                                                              
 fascinating to hear his thoughts if he finds  the time to explore                                                              
 the issue further.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
 5:01:56 PM                                                                                                                   
 SENATOR  GRAY-JACKSON   expressed   her   appreciation  for   Mr.                                                              
 Trickey's  comments  and  opinions   regarding  charter  schools,                                                              
 stating her  belief  that she  did  not need  to  repeat them  as                                                              
 committee members had also seen them.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
 5:02:13 PM                                                                                                                   
 CHAIR  TOBIN  said   she  often  thinks  about   Judge  Gleason's                                                              
 requirement that  the state  set standards  and assess  students.                                                              
 She noted the  challenge of  determining whether  those standards                                                              
 are being met,  especially given the  number of students  who opt                                                              
 out of statewide assessments.  She highlighted the  difficulty in                                                              
 assessing  whether  the  state  is  fulfilling  the  stipulations                                                              
 outlined in the Moore legal settlement.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 5:03:35 PM                                                                                                                   
 There being  no further  business to  come before the  committee,                                                              
 Chair Tobin  adjourned the  Senate  Education Standing  Committee                                                              
 meeting at 5:03 p.m.