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04/03/2024 03:30 PM Senate EDUCATION

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03:31:56 PM Presentation: Summary of the Implementation of the Federal "maintenance of Equity" Provision
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the Federal 'Maintenance of Equity' by
Austin Reid, Senior Legislative Director for
Federal Education Policy, National Conference
of State Legislatures
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
Legislative Finance Division
**Streamed live on AKL.tv**
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE EDUCATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         April 3, 2024                                                                                          
                           3:30 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Löki Tobin, Chair                                                                                                       
Senator Gary Stevens, Vice Chair                                                                                                
Senator Jesse Bjorkman                                                                                                          
Senator Jesse Kiehl                                                                                                             
Senator Elvi Gray-Jackson                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
Representative Rebecca Himschoot                                                                                                
Representative Andi Story                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: SUMMARY OF THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE FEDERAL                                                                      
"MAINTENANCE OF EQUITY" PROVISION                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
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PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
AUSTIN REID, Federal Affairs Advisor                                                                                            
National Conference of State Legislatures                                                                                       
Washington, D.C.                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT: Provided the presentation Summary of the                                                                  
Implementation of the Federal "Maintenance of Equity" Provision.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CONOR BELL, Fiscal Analyst                                                                                                      
Legislative Finance                                                                                                             
Legislative Affairs Agency                                                                                                      
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions on Maintenance of Equity.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:30:42 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR LÖKI  TOBIN called the  Senate Education Standing  Committee                                                            
meeting to  order at 3:30 p.m. Present  at the call to  order were                                                              
Senators Kiehl,  Gray-Jackson, Stevens,  and Chair Tobin.  Senator                                                              
Bjorkman arrived shortly thereafter.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:31:56 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR TOBIN announced Senator Bjorkman arrived.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION:  SUMMARY  OF  THE  IMPLEMENTATION  OF  THE  FEDERAL                                                              
"MAINTENANCE OF EQUITY" PROVISION                                                                                               
   PRESENTATION: SUMMARY OF THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE FEDERAL                                                               
               "MAINTENANCE OF EQUITY" PROVISION                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
3:32:01 PM                                                                                                                  
CHAIR  TOBIN announced  the  consideration  of the  implementation                                                              
provision  in federal  law  called  "Maintenance  of Equity."  She                                                              
stated Alaska is  currently out of compliance with  Maintenance of                                                              
Equity  and  has  been  sanctioned   by  the  U.S.  Department  of                                                              
Education.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:33:35 PM                                                                                                                    
AUSTIN  REID,  Federal  Affairs Advisor,  National  Conference  of                                                              
State  Legislatures,  Washington,  D.C.,  provided  the  following                                                              
testimony with  his Summary of  the Implementation of  the Federal                                                              
"Maintenance of Equity" Provision presentation:                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Thank  you for  the  invitation  to testify  before  the                                                                   
     committee  today. My  name  is Austin  Reid and  I am  a                                                                   
     Federal Affairs  Advisor at  the National Conference  of                                                                   
     State  Legislatures   (NSCL).  NCSL  is   a  nonpartisan                                                                   
     organization  working in  a bipartisan  manner to  serve                                                                   
     and  strengthen the  legislatures in  all the state  and                                                                   
     territories.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     In this  role, I  serve as both  NCSL's lead analyst  of                                                                   
     federal  education  policy  and  serve  as  its  primary                                                                   
     representative  on  education  matters  before  Congress                                                                   
     and the  administration, including, primarily,  the U.S.                                                                   
     Department of Education.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:34:08 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. REID continued:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     I  am testifying  today  to provide  a  "Summary of  the                                                                   
     Implementation  of the Federal  'Maintenance of  Equity'                                                                   
     Provision"  that was  included  in the  American  Rescue                                                                   
     Plan Act of 2021 (ARPA).                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     I have  been monitoring this  provision closely  for the                                                                   
     entirety  of its  existence.  I had  conversations  with                                                                   
     the  congressional  staffers  who  wrote  the  provision                                                                   
     during  the  bill  drafting  process and  have  been  in                                                                   
     regular  communication  with   the  U.S.  Department  of                                                                   
     Education about  its implementation since the  spring of                                                                   
     2021.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     My  testimony today  reflects  my understanding  of  the                                                                   
     complete timeline  of the conception and  implementation                                                                   
     of  this  provision.  I hope  that  a  thorough  summary                                                                   
     provides  the   legislature  with  the   background  and                                                                   
     information it  needs to inform any action  it wishes to                                                                   
     take.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     NCSL does  not recommend policy  to the legislatures  on                                                                   
     issues that  are internal to the states,  including this                                                                   
     issue.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:34:52 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. REID continued:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     However, NCSL  does lobby the Congress, the  White House                                                                   
     and   federal  agencies   for  the   benefit  of   state                                                                   
     legislatures  in accord with  the policy directives  and                                                                   
     resolutions recommended  by the Standing  Committees and                                                                   
     adopted  at  the  NCSL  Annual   Business  Meeting.  All                                                                   
     policy directives  and resolutions  must be approved  by                                                                   
     three-quarters  of   states  present  at   the  business                                                                   
     meetings.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     As part  of my  duties in representing  NCSL before  the                                                                   
     federal   government,   I   staff  the   NCSL   Standing                                                                   
     Committee  on  Education,  a  body  of  legislators  and                                                                   
     legislative   staff   that   are   selected   by   their                                                                   
     legislature's   leadership  to   develop  positions   on                                                                   
     state-federal issues to guide  NCSL's lobbying efforts.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     The  NCSL Standing  Committee on  Education has  adopted                                                                   
     policy   pertaining  to   the   Maintenance  of   Equity                                                                   
     provision,  urging  the federal  government  to  provide                                                                   
     states with  full waivers and maximum  flexibility. NCSL                                                                   
     believes  that  state education  finance  decisions  are                                                                   
     solely  a matter  of the  states, owing  to the  plenary                                                                   
     power they have in education.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:35:40 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. REID moved to slide 2 displaying ARPA Maintenance of Equity                                                                 
State Provision 1 and continued:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     NCSL's  position  should  in  no  way  be  construed  to                                                                   
     direct  how the  Alaska  legislature  should respond  to                                                                   
     the matter at hand.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Much  of  the  information  I will  provide  in  today's                                                                   
     testimony  has been  gleaned by  direct conversations  I                                                                   
     have had  with key federal  stakeholders in  the process                                                                   
     of representing NCSL's interests.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     For my  testimony, I  will first  offer a full  timeline                                                                   
     of  the  implementation  of the  Maintenance  of  Equity                                                                   
     provision and  conclude my  testimony with a  summary of                                                                   
     critical  observations that  are worth consideration  by                                                                   
     legislatures    when   seeking   to   understand    this                                                                   
     provision.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:36:21 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. REID on slide 2, continued his testimony:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     In  February  2021,  I  was made  aware  of  a  proposed                                                                   
     provision  known as  "Maintenance  of  Equity" that  was                                                                   
     being drafted  by congressional  committee staff  in the                                                                   
     Senate   Health,    Education,   Labor    and   Pensions                                                                   
     Committee's majority office.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     I  participated  in  conversations with  the  staff  who                                                                   
     wrote the provisions  and will relay what  I believe are                                                                   
     the intentions that undergird the policy.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Historically,   Congress  includes   a  Maintenance   of                                                                   
     Effort  provision  as  a fiscal  condition  states  must                                                                   
     agree  to  in  order  to  receive   stimulus  funds  for                                                                   
     education.  This typically  requires states to  maintain                                                                   
     aggregate levels of education funding.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     In  early 2021,  there  was a  common  view that  states                                                                   
     were   expected   to  experience   precipitous   revenue                                                                   
     declines  and   would  likely  have  to  cut   funds  to                                                                   
     education.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Congress  incorporated this  view  into its  Maintenance                                                                   
     of Effort provision  for the second tranche  of stimulus                                                                   
     funds   for  education   through   the  Elementary   and                                                                   
     Secondary  Education  Relief  Fund  (ESSER),  as  passed                                                                   
     through    the   Coronavirus    Response   and    Relief                                                                   
     Supplemental Appropriations Act of 2021 (CRRSAA).                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     This Maintenance  of Effort provision allowed  states to                                                                   
     cut funding  to education, so long as they  only reduced                                                                   
     funds  in proportion  to the  overall  reduction in  the                                                                   
     state   budget.   This  same   Maintenance   of   Effort                                                                   
     provision was included again in the eventual ARPA.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     However,  congressional staff and  others with  input on                                                                   
     the drafting  process, feared  repeating a dynamic  that                                                                   
     occurred  during  the  Great Recession  when  29  states                                                                   
     made across-the-board  budget cuts  to education  in the                                                                   
     face of revenue declines.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     While this action  may have been fair in  the context of                                                                   
     funding  between various agencies,  enacting an  across-                                                                   
     the-board   funding  cut   to  K-12   education  has   a                                                                   
     disproportionate  impact on  school  districts that  are                                                                   
     more  reliant on  state funding  due to  having a  lower                                                                   
     property tax  base and thus less ability to  raise local                                                                   
     funds to support their schools.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     In other words,  these districts see a greater  share of                                                                   
     their  budget  cut  without the  ability  to  compensate                                                                   
     through  increased   local  fund  contributions.   These                                                                   
     districts  typically, but not  always, serve  relatively                                                                   
     higher  populations of low-income  students compared  to                                                                   
     other districts.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:38:13 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. REID on slide 2, continued his testimony:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     To prevent this  dynamic, while also allowing  states to                                                                   
     make  overall funding  cuts  without needing  to seek  a                                                                   
     Maintenance  of   Effort  waiver,  congressional   staff                                                                   
     wanted  to  create  a  backstop  to  provide  additional                                                                   
     protections  to  education  funding  in  districts  that                                                                   
     serve  relatively   larger  populations   of  low-income                                                                   
     students.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     This was, I  believe, the primary motivation  behind the                                                                   
     drafting  of a  new, first-of-its-kind  "Maintenance  of                                                                   
     Equity" provision.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     The  American  Rescue Plan  Act  (ARPA) was  enacted  on                                                                   
     March 9, 2021,  and included an additional  $122 billion                                                                   
     in funding  for education  in states  through the  ESSER                                                                   
     fund.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     While   there  were   some  doubts   as  to  whether   a                                                                   
     "Maintenance  of  Equity"   provision  would  ultimately                                                                   
     make it into the final bill, it was indeed included.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     The  Maintenance  of  Equity   provision  includes  four                                                                   
     prongs,  two  for  states   and  two  for  local  school                                                                   
     districts.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     According to the statute, states could not:                                                                                
     • "Reduce  State funding (as  calculated on  a per-pupil                                                                   
     basis)  for any  high-need local  educational agency  in                                                                   
     the State  by an  amount that  exceeds the overall  per-                                                                   
     pupil  reduction  in State  funds,  if any,  across  all                                                                   
     local  educational  agencies   in  such  State  in  such                                                                   
     fiscal year."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:39:31 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. REID moved to slide 3 displaying ARPA Maintenance of Equity                                                                 
State Provision 2 and continued his testimony:                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        • "Reduce State funding (as calculated on a per-                                                                        
          pupil   basis)  for  any   highest  poverty   local                                                                   
          educational agency  below the level of  funding (as                                                                   
          calculated on  a per-pupil basis) provided  to each                                                                   
          such  local  educational   agency  in  fiscal  year                                                                   
          2019.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     And school districts could not:                                                                                            
        • "Reduce per-pupil funding (from combined State                                                                        
          and  local  funding) for  any  high-poverty  school                                                                   
          served  by  such  local educational  agency  by  an                                                                   
          amount  that exceeds the  total reduction  in local                                                                   
          educational   agency   funding  for   all   schools                                                                   
          served?"                                                                                                              
        • "Reduce per-pupil, full-time equivalent staff in                                                                      
          any high-poverty school by an amount that exceeds                                                                     
          the total reduction in full-time equivalent staff                                                                     
          in all schools served?"                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:40:03 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. REID on slide 3 continued his testimony:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     While  guidance  for  the  ARPA  Maintenance  of  Effort                                                                   
     provision  was  released  in  April  2021,  the  initial                                                                   
     guidance   for  the  Maintenance   of  Equity   was  not                                                                   
     released until June 9, 2021.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     I believe  the guidance interpreted  the statute  in two                                                                   
     key  ways that  have had  considerable implications  for                                                                   
     the  implementation of  Maintenance of  Equity over  the                                                                   
     past three years.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     First,   the   guidance  asserted   that   states   must                                                                   
     calculate  compliance  with  the  state  Maintenance  of                                                                   
     Equity  provision   even  if   they  did  not   enact  a                                                                   
     statewide spending cut to education.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     This was  a major update. To  my eyes, and  some others,                                                                   
     a  plain  language  reading  of the  law  supported  the                                                                   
     interpretation that  Maintenance of Equity  only applied                                                                   
     in instances where state education budgets were cut.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     This  interpretation also  seemed to  align with what  I                                                                   
     believed  to  be the  Congressional  intent  behind  the                                                                   
     proposalthat   in  the  event  that  a  state  must  cut                                                                   
     education funding,  it must spare districts  with higher                                                                   
     populations    of   low-income    students   from    the                                                                   
     disproportionate impact of those cuts.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Even  the Department's  own  guidance acknowledges  this                                                                   
     intent: "Accordingly,  if State or local funds  are cut,                                                                   
     the maintenance  of equity  provisions ensure that  LEAs                                                                   
     and  schools  serving a  large  share of  students  from                                                                   
     low-income    backgrounds    do   not    experience    a                                                                   
     disproportionate share of such cuts."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     One immediate  implication of this interpretation,  that                                                                   
     Maintenance  of   Equity  applied  in  the   absence  of                                                                   
     overall spending  cuts to education, was that  it became                                                                   
     very difficult,  if not impossible, for  legislatures to                                                                   
     know  during  the  budget  process  whether  they  would                                                                   
     ultimately  be in  compliance  with  the Maintenance  of                                                                   
     Equity provision  and take appropriate action  to ensure                                                                   
     compliance.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:41:34 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. REID on slide 3 continued his testimony:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Compliance  would  ultimately   become  a  retrospective                                                                   
     assessment  that  could  only  be  made  after  a  state                                                                   
     funded  its  education  budget,   distributed  funds  to                                                                   
     districts  via its state  education funding formula  and                                                                   
     then  compared   the  state's  data  with   the  federal                                                                   
     Maintenance  of  Equity compliance  calculations.  These                                                                   
     federal   compliance    calculations   could    not   be                                                                   
     administered  until after  states  passed their  budgets                                                                   
     and  sent   requested  initial   funding  data   to  the                                                                   
     Department.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     The fact this  guidance was issued in  mid-June, towards                                                                   
     the  end of the  FY 2022  budget process,  did not  make                                                                   
     matters  of   compliance  any  easier  from   the  state                                                                   
     legislative  perspective,  especially for  those  states                                                                   
     who had already concluded their legislative session.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     In this  sense, the  conditions of  compliance were  not                                                                   
     all clearly  known to legislatures  when they  agreed to                                                                   
     accept these  federal funds and then make  timely fiscal                                                                   
     decisions for FY 2022.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:42:35 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL agreed  that the timeline describing  the release of                                                              
guidance  was frustrating.  He  asked if  Mr.  Reid could  provide                                                              
context  by elaborating  what else  was happening  in the  federal                                                              
government at that time.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:42:55 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  REID replied  that from  the U.S.  Department of  Education's                                                              
perspective,  the   initial  burden  of  passing   the  funds  was                                                              
figuring  out distribution  to states  and  schools. The  pandemic                                                              
was at its  peak, and the  federal government was also  focused on                                                              
schools reopening.  He stated his belief that April  2021 was when                                                              
the  first  vaccine  became widely  available.  From  the  federal                                                              
perspective,  several  competing  priorities  likely  delayed  the                                                              
timeline  for  supporting  education.  He  said  another  probable                                                              
reason  for the  delay was  that it  was a  novel state  education                                                              
finance provision  that the federal  government had  never handled                                                              
before. There  was a sense  that the provision  might not  make it                                                              
into  the final  package due  to a  specific test  applied to  the                                                              
process  by  which  Congress  passed  the  bill.  Preparation  and                                                              
communication  between Congress  and the  administration may  have                                                              
been lacking.  He added  that it took  several months,  amid other                                                              
priorities,  to issue  guidance,  emphasizing  that guidance  does                                                              
not have the same force and effect as regulation.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:44:40 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL recalled  that when  the  Elementary and  Secondary                                                              
School  Emergency   Relief  (ESSER)   Fund  passed,   4.3  million                                                              
Americans were out  of the workforce, and over half  a million had                                                              
died  from the  virus.  Congress was  trying  to prevent  economic                                                              
collapse by printing  money. He noted that the  Alaska legislature                                                              
relied  on  guidance  documents   at  that  time  because  federal                                                              
regulations  take years to  implement. He  asked if the  timeframe                                                              
from  ESSER's passage  to the  release of  guidance was  13 to  14                                                              
weeks.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:45:26 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.   REID  replied   about  three   months.   He  mentioned   the                                                              
department's guidance  acknowledges that it comes  out towards the                                                              
end  of the  budget  process  for the  fiscal  year  in which  the                                                              
provisions apply  and that complications  from the timing  of this                                                              
guidance exist.  He noted that the  complications are in  part due                                                              
to the  American rescue plan  passing mid-budget process  for many                                                              
states.  He  said  the  way  it  was  interpreted  makes  it  very                                                              
difficult  for states  to  know how  they're  going to  ultimately                                                              
comply  with  this   provision  while  they  were   making  budget                                                              
decisions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:46:11 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. REID on slide 3 continued his testimony:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Second, the  guidance clarified that the  Department did                                                                   
     not believe  it had  the ability  to offer waivers  from                                                                   
     the state  and local  Maintenance of Equity  provisions,                                                                   
     as it did it for the Maintenance of Effort provision.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     However,  the U.S. Department  of Education would  later                                                                   
     issue   updated   guidance   in  December   2021   which                                                                   
     effectively   waived  the  two   prongs  of  the   local                                                                   
     Maintenance   of  Equity   provision   for  all   school                                                                   
     districts in the country.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     The ARPA  statute did grant  exemptions under  the local                                                                   
     Maintenance  of  Equity  provisions   for  districts  in                                                                   
     certain  circumstances,  including   those  experiencing                                                                   
     "an  exceptional  or uncontrollable  circumstance,  such                                                                   
     as  unpredictable changes  in  student  enrollment or  a                                                                   
     precipitous  decline in the  financial resources  of the                                                                   
     LEA, as determined by the Secretary."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     In the  updated December  2021 guidance, the  Department                                                                   
     reasoned  that all districts  faced "fluctuating  school                                                                   
     enrollments  and  uncertain   revenue  collection  as  a                                                                   
     result  of the pandemic"  and thus  could qualify  under                                                                   
     the exemption.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     So long  as a  district certified it  did not and  would                                                                   
     not  "implement  an  aggregate   reduction  in  combined                                                                   
     State and  local per-pupil  funding" for FY22  and FY23,                                                                   
     the  Department agreed  to waive  the local  Maintenance                                                                   
     of Equity provision for school districts.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:47:33 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. REID on slide 3 continued his testimony:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     I will  note that  this very  broad flexibility was  not                                                                   
     applied to the state Maintenance  of Equity provisions.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     The  lack of a  waiver process  would have  considerable                                                                   
     implications   as   it  did   not  allow   states   with                                                                   
     exceptional   circumstances   to   receive   appropriate                                                                   
     exemptions  and instead  set  up a  prolonged and  often                                                                   
     confusing compliance process that lacked transparency.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:47:53 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. REID moved to  slide 4 a table showing examples  of compliance                                                              
calculations with State Maintenance of Equity Provision 1.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     The  U.S. Department  of Education  continued to  update                                                                   
     the  Maintenance of  Equity  guidance  through 2021  and                                                                   
     into  2022. Updates  were made  in  August, October  and                                                                   
     December of 2021.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Over  this time,  NCSL became  aware of  at least  three                                                                   
     states  that  identified early  signs  of  discrepancies                                                                   
     between their  state funding formula determinations  and                                                                   
     the Maintenance of Equity compliance calculations.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Despite  these cases,  concerns that  states would  face                                                                   
     widespread  difficulties  with   Maintenance  of  Equity                                                                   
     seemed to wane.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     This  view  was seemingly  supported  by  the  stronger-                                                                   
     than-expected fiscal  position of states.  Despite fears                                                                   
     of  revenue   declines,  the  NASBO  Fall   2021  Survey                                                                   
     indicated  that 45 states  were on  pace to maintain  or                                                                   
     increase  funding   for  K-12  education  in   FY  2022,                                                                   
     including 41 states that indicated  funding increases.1                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Final expenditure  data from NASBO showed 41  states had                                                                   
     enacted  funding increases  for K-12  education, with  a                                                                   
     median increase of 4.6 percent.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:48:53 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  TOBIN  said  the state  of  Alaska,  did  increase  student                                                              
funding, as seen  on the slide 4.  It was increased by  $30 due to                                                              
the Alaska  Reads Act in  2023. She said  she wanted to  ensure it                                                              
is  known  publicly  that  the  increase  was  not  a  significant                                                              
increase,  unless the  information on  slide 4  is also  including                                                              
debt relief and  major maintenance. She asked Mr.  Reid to expound                                                              
on what is included in "state spending changes."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:49:32 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. REID said he  doesn't know the full details  that the National                                                              
Budget  Officers Association  (NBOA)  uses  to calculate  numbers,                                                              
but  people in  the Education  Finance  Field consider  it a  very                                                              
reliable document  for budget  information. It  may not  always be                                                              
correct, but  they note a 6.1  percent increase between  FY 2021 -                                                              
2022  in Alaska.  This  is in  the  final expenditure  report.  He                                                              
recalled that  the survey done  in the initial expenditure  report                                                              
of states in  fall 2021 initially indicated that  Alaska would see                                                              
a decrease  in education funding.  However, final data  suggests a                                                              
6.1 percent  increase. For  FY 2022  - 2023  they indicate  an 8.9                                                              
percent increase.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:50:10 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  TOBIN  said  the  committee  knows there  was  not  a  Base                                                              
Student Allocation  (BSA) increase  in either  of those  years and                                                              
therefore assumes  on the increase  is from debt relief  and major                                                              
maintenance  spending.  and  not  money  that went  to  per  pupil                                                              
spending.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:50:50 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  REID   said  he  does  not   see  any  additional   notes  of                                                              
discrepancies  by the  NBOA  for  Alaska, so  he  can't offer  any                                                              
additional  context.  Regardless,   the  data  generally  provides                                                              
evidence  to  the  idea that  fiscal  conditions  in  states  were                                                              
really  strong,   and  the  NCSL   would  have  expected   on  the                                                              
widespread   strength   of  fiscal   conditions   and   widespread                                                              
increases  for  funding  in education  among  states,  that  there                                                              
wouldn't  have  been  near  as many  compliance  issues  with  the                                                              
maintenance of equity as was ultimately revealed.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:51:29 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. REID on slide 5 continued his testimony:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     However,  on July 5,  2022, days after  the close  of FY                                                                   
     2022,  the U.S.  Department  of  Education sent  a  form                                                                   
     letter to 39  states explaining that the  Department had                                                                   
     identified   instances   of   noncompliance   with   the                                                                   
     Maintenance of  Equity provision. Ultimately,  I believe                                                                   
     41 to 42 states received this initial letter.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     The  same form  letter was  sent to each  state and  was                                                                   
     not  made public. The  Department, when  asked during  a                                                                   
     follow up  conversation, would  not identify the  states                                                                   
     that had received this letter.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     The letter  also did not  provide any information  about                                                                   
     the scope  of the compliance  issues in each  state. The                                                                   
     letter  merely  said  "The  initial  FY  2022  data  you                                                                   
     submitted indicates  that your State is  not maintaining                                                                   
     equity  in  one or  more  high-need  or  highest-poverty                                                                   
     LEAs."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:52:17 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. REID moved to slide 6 and continued his testimony:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     These letters  were based on  initial data submitted  by                                                                   
     states during  the summer and  fall of 2021  rather than                                                                   
     the final  FY 2022  data that  was tentatively due  days                                                                   
     before on June 30, 2022.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Given  the encouraging data  about widespread  state-by-                                                                   
     state funding  increases for  education, I recall  there                                                                   
     being quite  a bit of  surprise and confusion  among the                                                                   
     small  group  of us  who  have followed  this  provision                                                                   
     closely from its inception.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     As you can  imagine, there was quite a bit  of confusion                                                                   
     in states,  especially when  there was no indication  in                                                                   
     the  letter of  the scope  and scale  of the  compliance                                                                   
     issues that had been identified.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     NCSL,   along    with   representatives    from   groups                                                                   
     representing  state  education agencies  and  governors'                                                                   
     offices, sought  more details  from the Department  in a                                                                   
     private meeting in early August 2022.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     We  learned  that  the Department  was  sharing  details                                                                   
     about  compliance issues  with  state  agency staff.  It                                                                   
     was unclear  how those details were being  shared and at                                                                   
     what  level of  agency staff  those  details were  being                                                                   
     shared with.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:53:11 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. REID continued:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Anecdotally,  I  understand  details were  often  shared                                                                   
     through phone  calls with state  agency staff  who could                                                                   
     vary from mid-level to more senior staff.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     The  Department  would  not  share  any  specific  state                                                                   
     details  with us.  The Department  did  provide a  high-                                                                   
     level  summary of  compliance  issues.  They said  there                                                                   
     were some states  with only a handful of  districts with                                                                   
     compliance  issues,  while  other states  had  districts                                                                   
     with  cumulative   funding  gaps  in  the   hundreds  of                                                                   
     millions of dollars.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Given  the  implications  that  compliance  issues  with                                                                   
     these provisions  have for  state legislatures,  I asked                                                                   
     the Department  to include key legislative  stakeholders                                                                   
     in  compliance  conversations.  While  I  don't  believe                                                                   
     this  request   was  granted  often,  if  at   all,  the                                                                   
     Department did  include me on periodic update  calls and                                                                   
     later     passed     along      finalized     compliance                                                                   
     correspondence.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     While I  was not made  privy to any specific  compliance                                                                   
     conversations, I  have gleaned over time a  sense of the                                                                   
     issues   that  were   causing  states   to  be  out   of                                                                   
     compliance.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:54:12 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. REID moved to slide 7 a table Determining "Highest-Poverty"                                                                 
and "High-Need" LEA's and continued his testimony:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     As  you  recall,  there  are two  state  prongs  to  the                                                                   
     Maintenance of Equity provision.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     One   requires   that   the    "highest-poverty"   local                                                                   
     education  agencies  (LEAs)  receive funding  above  the                                                                   
     Fiscal Year 2019 level.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     According  to  federal  guidance,  these  districts  are                                                                   
     defined  as  those  serving the  highest  proportion  of                                                                   
     low-income  students and  collectively  account for  20%                                                                   
     of the state's student population.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     From   my   understanding,   states   have   had   fewer                                                                   
     compliance  challenges  with  this provision  given  the                                                                   
     widespread increases for education funding.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     The other  prong requires that low-income  districts, or                                                                   
     "high-need"  LEAs,  do not  receive less  funding  year-                                                                   
     over-year,  on  a  per pupil  basis,  compared  to  more                                                                   
     high-income districts.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     According  to  federal  guidance,  these  districts  are                                                                   
     defined  as  those  serving the  highest  proportion  of                                                                   
     low-income  students and  collectively  account for  50%                                                                   
     of the state's student population.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     This   provision   is  most   likely   responsible   for                                                                   
     compliance  issues,  which  frequently occur  even  when                                                                   
     states  have increased  overall  per  pupil spending  on                                                                   
     education.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Even when state  funding increases, the manner  in which                                                                   
     the  funding  is  distributed   can  result  in  schools                                                                   
     receiving  less funding  than they had  received in  the                                                                   
     prior year.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     As   I  will  detail,   many  of   the  school   finance                                                                   
     strategies  that  are  responsible  for  variable  year-                                                                   
     over-year  funding  are  most   often  meant  to  target                                                                   
     resources  to certain student  populations that  require                                                                   
     more  resources to support  their education  or to  find                                                                   
     the  appropriate  balance  between the  state  share  of                                                                   
     funding   and   a  local   school   community's   fiscal                                                                   
     capacity.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     While there  are many and varied definitions  of equity,                                                                   
     these   strategies  are  commonly   understood  in   the                                                                   
     education  finance  world  to  be  tools  of  equity  in                                                                   
     school funding.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:56:12 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. REID continued:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     As  you will  see, the  various  and complex  strategies                                                                   
     that  states use  to  distribute funding  for  education                                                                   
     does not  neatly align with  the federal Maintenance  of                                                                   
     Equity  test, which  is  fairly simple  and  based on  a                                                                   
     single and static variable-  a student's income status.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     There  are at least  three key  state education  finance                                                                   
     strategies   that   may   cause    non-compliance   with                                                                   
     Maintenance of Equity.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     It's  worth noting  that many  states have  incorporated                                                                   
     these  education  finance   strategies  in  response  to                                                                   
     court  settlements  that  directed  the  state  to  more                                                                   
     effectively  fund  and equitably  finance  education  in                                                                   
     the state.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     These  strategies  can  individually   cause  compliance                                                                   
     issues  with  Maintenance of  Equity  calculations,  but                                                                   
     the interaction  among these  mechanisms may cause  even                                                                   
     more complicated compliance issues.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:56:49 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. REID moved to slide 8 a sample compliance letter from U.S.                                                                  
Department of Education and continued his testimony:                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     1. States with foundation funding formulas                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Thirty-seven  states  use foundation  funding  formulas.                                                                   
     The  simple   concept  behind  this  education   finance                                                                   
     strategy  is  to  target  education   funding  based  on                                                                   
     student  characteristics to  ensure student  populations                                                                   
     that  may  need extra  education  support  receive  more                                                                   
     resources.  This  is  the   prevailing  trend  in  state                                                                   
     education  finance to provide  more equitable  education                                                                   
     funding.  While  every  student   gets  a  base  amount,                                                                   
     states   provide   additional  funding   "weights"   for                                                                   
     certain student  populations. These  can vary by  state,                                                                   
     but  common populations  for targeted  funding are  low-                                                                   
     income   students,   students  with   disabilities   and                                                                   
     English  learners.   Funding  is  then   distributed  to                                                                   
     districts  based on  student  enrollment and  attendance                                                                   
     patterns.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Many  states  with foundation  funding  formulas  likely                                                                   
     experienced  compliance   issues  with   Maintenance  of                                                                   
     Equity.  This  is  likely   due  to  enrollment  pattern                                                                   
     changes across  districts. As  you know, enrollment  and                                                                   
     attendance    fluctuated    substantially   in    school                                                                   
     districts  across  the  country 8  during  School  Years                                                                   
     2021-2022  and  2022-2023, especially  among  vulnerable                                                                   
     populations   of   students,   which   usually   receive                                                                   
     additional  weighted  funding.  A school  district  that                                                                   
     sees enrollment  declines in  populations that  received                                                                   
     additional  funding  weights could  see  an overall  per                                                                   
     pupil  funding  decline even  if  the state  provided  a                                                                   
     base per pupil increase through the funding formula.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:58:49 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. REID on slide 8 continued his testimony:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     3. States with "hold harmless" provisions                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     States  that  have  districts   with  rapidly  declining                                                                   
     enrollment   will   sometimes  enact   "hold   harmless"                                                                   
     provisions  on   top  of  a  weighted   student  funding                                                                   
     formula  in order  to  stabilize a  district's  finances                                                                   
     and  provide a  fiscal "soft  landing"  as the  district                                                                   
     makes plans  to downsize. This  is common for  districts                                                                   
     in  rural areas  where communities  are  reliant on  one                                                                   
     school  district.  Over  time,  the  state  will  slowly                                                                   
     phase out  this hold  harmless provision, which  results                                                                   
     in   reductions  in   state  aid,   even  though   those                                                                   
     reductions  are less  drastic than  would have  occurred                                                                   
     if  an  enrollment-based formula  completely  drove  the                                                                   
     levels of state funding.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     NCSL  is  aware   of  at  least  one  state   which  had                                                                   
     districts  that were initially  deemed noncompliant  due                                                                   
     to the presence of these hold harmless provisions.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     As  I  alluded  to  before,  the  interaction  of  these                                                                   
     strategies  could  result   in  noncompliance  and  make                                                                   
     matters  of demonstrating  compliance very  complicated.                                                                   
     NCSL is  aware of one  state that  was in the middle  of                                                                   
     carrying  out a  seven-year  funding equalization  plan,                                                                   
     coupled   with  a  revised   weighted  student   funding                                                                   
     formula,   that  was  disrupted   by  the  prospect   of                                                                   
     noncompliance    with   the   Maintenance    of   Equity                                                                   
     provision.  In  that  plan,  the  state  had  identified                                                                   
     districts   that   were   relatively    overfunded   and                                                                   
     districts  that were  relatively  underfunded. Over  the                                                                   
     course  of the  seven-year  plan, the  state was  slowly                                                                   
     transferring   additional  money   to  the   underfunded                                                                   
     districts  by reducing state  funding in the  overfunded                                                                   
     districts,  while  allowing  those  districts  to  enact                                                                   
     local tax  levies above a  statutory cap to  replace the                                                                   
     loss of state funding.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     In  contrast  to  the  wide  array  of  state  education                                                                   
     finance  strategies, it's worth  noting the  Maintenance                                                                   
     of  Equity  test  is  based  on  a  single  variable-  a                                                                   
     student's income status.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:00:22 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. REID on slide 8 continued his testimony:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     While  this is an  important factor  to consider,  and a                                                                   
     variable  that  is  accounted  for  in  many  foundation                                                                   
     funding  formulas,   there  are  many   other  important                                                                   
     measures   that   states    take   into   account   when                                                                   
     distributing   education  funding,   including   student                                                                   
     factors   such  as   instructional   needs  related   to                                                                   
     disability or  English learner status, or the  local tax                                                                   
     capacity to fund education.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     While  some districts  may  have experienced  reductions                                                                   
     in  funding,  it  was  often not  the  result  of  state                                                                   
     spending  cuts,  but  rather   a  passive  reduction  in                                                                   
     funding   after  the   application   of  state   funding                                                                   
     formulas,   which  are   often   calibrated  to   direct                                                                   
     resources  towards  the students  who  benefit the  most                                                                   
     from equity efforts.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Indeed,   in  private   conversations,  the   Department                                                                   
     indicated   to  me   that  we  have   not  seen   states                                                                   
     deliberately cut funding to low-income schools.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:01:03 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL asked  if the  state that  was in  the middle  of a                                                              
long-term shift  in its  education funding  made an adjustment  to                                                              
be compliant with the maintenance of equity rules.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:01:24 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  REID replied  yes,  the  state ultimately  made  supplemental                                                              
appropriations to comply.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:01:32 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  asked for the  timeframe of the state's  adjustment                                                              
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  REID clarified  that  the discussion  was  about New  Jersey,                                                              
which  began  conversations  about  compliance as  early  as  fall                                                              
2021. He  noted that the state  likely realized early on  that its                                                              
funding  reform   wouldn't  align  with  federal   definitions  of                                                              
compliance.  While New  Jersey ultimately  became compliant  after                                                              
making supplemental  appropriations, he was unsure  if those funds                                                              
came  from state  resources  or if  flexible  federal funding  was                                                              
used to meet compliance.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:02:52 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. REID on slide 8 continued his testimony:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Over the  last year and a  half, the U.S.  Department of                                                                   
     Education   has  been  working   with  state   education                                                                   
     agencies  to resolve  widespread  compliance issues  for                                                                   
     fiscal  year  2022  and I  believe  proactively  address                                                                   
     issues in fiscal year 2023.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     As  I   mentioned  earlier,  the  Department   conducted                                                                   
     "technical  assistance" calls  with  state agency  staff                                                                   
     or engaged  in formal, but often private  correspondence                                                                   
     to work towards resolution.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     As  I understand  the compliance  process, state  agency                                                                   
     staff  would   attempt  to  demonstrate   compliance  by                                                                   
     recalculating  state  data  in ways  that  would  better                                                                   
     match  the requirements  of  the Maintenance  of  Equity                                                                   
     compliance tests.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     In  cases  where  new data  runs  did  not  sufficiently                                                                   
     resolve   discrepancies   between  the   state   funding                                                                   
     formula  and the  federal calculations,  the  Department                                                                   
     would  invite states  to submit  "small Local  Education                                                                   
     Agency tolerance" proposals.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     These proposals  were invited in cases  where enrollment                                                                   
     changes  in  small  districts   could  have  significant                                                                   
     impact   on  per-pupil  state   funding.  According   to                                                                   
     federal guidance,  a state  agency, "may propose  to the                                                                   
     Department  a written  plan  for a  reasonable level  of                                                                   
     tolerance  when calculating  whether  it has  maintained                                                                   
     equity for these LEAs."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     The Department  began sending out batches  of compliance                                                                   
     notification  letters  during the  fall  of 2022.  While                                                                   
     the  letters did  not directly  affirm compliance,  they                                                                   
     typically  recognized a state's  "ongoing commitment  to                                                                   
     the maintenance of effort requirements."                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Many letters  did not include any background  details as                                                                   
     to how  compliance was  ultimately determined,  although                                                                   
     a  few   state  letters   contained  specific   details,                                                                   
     typically  if  a  state had  submitted  a  "small  Local                                                                   
     Education Agency tolerance proposal.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:04:36 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. REID on slide 8 continued his testimony:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     As  I  mentioned  before,  the  lack  of  formal  waiver                                                                   
     process  made it  difficult  for state  representatives,                                                                   
     such as  myself, to understand  the true scope  of state                                                                   
     issues and  assess how  consistently the Department  was                                                                   
     applying   the  same   rationale   across  states   when                                                                   
     signaling compliance.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     From  the  initial  count   of  41  to  42  states  with                                                                   
     compliance  issues, the Department  later revealed  that                                                                   
     at  least  six  states were  found  compliant  once  the                                                                   
     Department  calculated its  final FY22  data instead  of                                                                   
     the  initial   FY22  data   it  relied  on   when  first                                                                   
     communicating noncompliance to states.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     By late November  2022, I understand that a  total of 13                                                                   
     states had  demonstrated sufficient compliance  with the                                                                   
     provision.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Over the  course of the next  year, from late  2022 into                                                                   
     fall  2023,  the  Department   communicated  batches  of                                                                   
     final compliance  letters to states on  a month-to-month                                                                   
     basis, usually  at a pace between  two to four  states a                                                                   
     month.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:05:27 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. REID continued:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     By  the end  October 2023,  the Department  communicated                                                                   
     to  me  that  nine states  had  still  not  demonstrated                                                                   
     sufficient compliance.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     By  the end  of 2023,  four  states remained,  including                                                                   
     Alaska.  Each of  these states  were  considered by  the                                                                   
     Department  to  have  exhausted attempts  to  come  into                                                                   
     compliance  through their  previously offered  tolerance                                                                   
     proposals.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     The  Department  sent letters  requesting  these  states                                                                   
     make  supplemental  appropriations  as  remedy  for  the                                                                   
     funding discrepancies  identified by the  Maintenance of                                                                   
     Equity provision.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     As  I understand,  by this  point, at  least five  other                                                                   
     states  had agreed to  make supplemental  appropriations                                                                   
     after  being unable  to resolve  outstanding  compliance                                                                   
     issues.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Some  states made  supplemental  appropriations  through                                                                   
     legislative  action.  Others  were  able  to  use  funds                                                                   
     through  the federal  Coronavirus Relief  Fund (CRF)  or                                                                   
     State  and Local Fiscal  Relief Fund  (SLFRF) after  the                                                                   
     Department   issued  guidance   in  January  2023   that                                                                   
     permitted this.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:06:27 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. REID on slide 8 continued his testimony:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     In the  December 2023  letter, Alaska  was asked  by the                                                                   
     Department  to   make  supplemental  appropriations   of                                                                   
     nearly  $8 million  to three  districts for  FY 2022  in                                                                   
     order to comply with Maintenance of Equity.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     However,  that number changed  when the Department  sent                                                                   
     its most  recent letter  in March.  The letter now  asks                                                                   
     for  over $22  million for  two districts  for FY  2022.                                                                   
     One of  these districts was  identified in the  previous                                                                   
     letter,  another was  newly  identified,  and two  other                                                                   
     districts included  in the previous letter  were dropped                                                                   
     entirely.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     The total  request for  additional state  appropriations                                                                   
     for FY 2022 and FY 2023 totals nearly $30 million.                                                                         
     To  my knowledge,  the Maintenance  of Equity  provision                                                                   
     is  the  first  time the  federal  government  has  been                                                                   
     given  a  direct interest  in  state  education  finance                                                                   
     decisions.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     The  decision by  the U.S.  Department  of Education  to                                                                   
     apply  this provision  in the absence  of overall  state                                                                   
     funding  cuts,  without  providing  an  opportunity  for                                                                   
     states  to   seek  waivers,  has  led   to  considerable                                                                   
     complications   for  states,   and  given  the   federal                                                                   
     government    unprecedented    influence   over    state                                                                   
     education finance  decisions. Given the  states' plenary                                                                   
     authority  in  education, this  is  an unusual  and,  in                                                                   
     some ways, extraordinary federal authority.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:07:59 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. REID moved to slide 2 and continued his testimony:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     To  sum  up,  the  Department's  interpretation  of  the                                                                   
     Maintenance  of  Equity provision,  as  communicated  in                                                                   
     guidance   and   understood    though   its   compliance                                                                   
     processes, has been consequential in three key ways:                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     1. States  were unable  to make  proactive decisions  to                                                                   
     demonstrate                                                                                                                
     compliance  with the  provision.  Compliance could  only                                                                   
     be   assessed  after   state   education  budgets   were                                                                   
     allocated through  state education finance  formulas and                                                                   
     compared to federal calculations.                                                                                          
     2.  States  experienced  widespread   compliance  issues                                                                   
     that were not                                                                                                              
     the result of  enacting spending cuts to  education, but                                                                   
     rather  were based  in technical  discrepancies  between                                                                   
     state  education finance  formulas  and the  Maintenance                                                                   
     of  Equity provision.  The  Maintenance  of Equity  does                                                                   
     not account  for the variety  of strategies  that states                                                                   
     use to target funding to critical  student populations.                                                                    
     3. States  had limited or  opaque pathways to  seek full                                                                   
     relief from the provision.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     While many  states were  able to demonstrate  compliance                                                                   
     over  multiple attempts,  the  compliance process  often                                                                   
     lacked  transparency  and required  considerable  effort                                                                   
     by both  state education agency  staff and staff  at the                                                                   
     U.S.  Department of  Education. To  comply, some  states                                                                   
     have  been   asked  to  make  significant   supplemental                                                                   
     appropriations  that circumvented their  state education                                                                   
     finance formula,  even when  they had already  increased                                                                   
     overall spending on education.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     I thank you  for the opportunity to testify  before this                                                                   
     committee  and look forward  to answering any  questions                                                                   
     you may have.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:09:14 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GRAY-JACKSON  acknowledged the  complexity of  the subject                                                              
matter  and  asked for  clarification  regarding  flexibility  and                                                              
waivers.  She   referenced  the   National  Conference   of  State                                                              
Legislatures'  (NCSL) position urging  the federal government  for                                                              
full waivers related  to the maintenance of equity  provision. She                                                              
requested  specific   examples  where  increased   flexibility  or                                                              
waivers   could   have   mitigated   compliance   issues   without                                                              
compromising the goals of the provision.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:09:59 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. REID  provided an example  highlighting compliance  challenges                                                              
with the  maintenance of effort  provision. He explained  that the                                                              
provision  required states  to maintain education  funding  as the                                                              
same proportion  of their  budget as  the previous year,  allowing                                                              
for  cuts   without  waivers.   However,  many  states   increased                                                              
education  funding  but  not  at  the  same  proportion  as  their                                                              
overall  budget  increase in  FY  2022-2023.  This led  to  states                                                              
being  considered  out  of compliance  despite  raising  education                                                              
funding.  He noted  that Congress  included specific  instructions                                                              
for  a waiver  process, and  the Department  of Education  granted                                                              
waivers favorably  to states that increased education  funding but                                                              
did  not  meet  the  proportional  requirement.  States  continued                                                              
without consequences after receiving these waivers.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:11:40 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  REID expressed  the  hope that  the  Department of  Education                                                              
would provide  wholesale  exemptions for  states that maintain  or                                                              
increase  education  funding and  promote  equity,  even if  their                                                              
funding  formulas differ  from federal  interpretations. He  noted                                                              
that  such  states  should  not   need  to  go  through  extensive                                                              
compliance  reviews  but  instead   receive  exemptions  from  the                                                              
provision.  He highlighted  that  a  broad exemption  was  already                                                              
provided  for the  local maintenance  of equity  provision due  to                                                              
its complexity,  which was recognized after  stakeholder feedback.                                                              
He suggested  that if the same  flexibility offered for  the local                                                              
maintenance  of equity and  maintenance of  effort waiver  process                                                              
could  be  applied  to  the  state  portion,  states  distributing                                                              
funding   equitably  could   be   exempt   from  full   compliance                                                              
calculations.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:13:07 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  TOBIN asked  for clarification,  specifically inquiring  if                                                              
the federal government  had offered a waiver process  to any state                                                              
regarding compliance with the maintenance of equity provision.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. REID  replied that  the federal government  has been  clear in                                                              
both guidance and  private conversations that it  does not believe                                                              
it  has the  authority to  offer  waivers for  the maintenance  of                                                              
equity  provision. He  referenced a  July 2022  letter sent  to 39                                                              
states,  which explicitly  stated  there  was no  opportunity  for                                                              
waiver  flexibility.  He offered  to  provide  the letter  to  the                                                              
committee  and  emphasized  that,   due  to  the  lack  of  waiver                                                              
authority,  the   department's  compliance  processes   have  been                                                              
complicated  and  prolonged  as   they  seek  flexibility  without                                                              
offering exemptions.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TOBIN asked  if Alaska is the only state that  has not moved                                                              
to comply for FY 2022.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. REID replied that is his understanding.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:14:17 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL  acknowledged  that   his  previous  statement  was                                                              
unclear   and  asked   if  the   National   Conference  of   State                                                              
Legislatures  (NCSL)  considered   the  tolerance  plans  for  the                                                              
smallest districts to be laudable or problematic.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:14:38 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. REID  stated that the  general hope  is for the  Department of                                                              
Education  to   provide  states  with  maximum   flexibility.  The                                                              
National  Conference of  State  Legislatures  (NCSL) supports  any                                                              
federal  options   allowing  states  to  demonstrate   that  their                                                              
finance  formulas   align  with  the  spirit  of   the  provision,                                                              
particularly  when  funding  for  four states  was  increased.  He                                                              
acknowledged that  while the department  has attempted  to provide                                                              
flexibilities, there  is a lack of transparency  around what those                                                              
efforts  always   entail.  However,  NCSL  did   receive  guidance                                                              
indicating  some flexibility  through  small tolerance  proposals,                                                              
which  provided  some transparency  and  flexibility  for  several                                                              
states.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:15:28 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL  expressed  concern,   noting  that  Alaska's  plan                                                              
appears  to disregard  some  of the  poorest  and most  struggling                                                              
school  districts,  which have  a  history of  discrimination  and                                                              
issues the  maintenance of  equity provision  aims to  address. He                                                              
specifically   mentioned  districts   like  Lake  and   Peninsula,                                                              
Kashunamiut,  and  Chathamsmall,    remote,  predominantly  Alaska                                                              
Native, and  low-income areas. He  asked how this  approach aligns                                                              
with the intent of the maintenance of equity provision.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:16:15 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  REID suggested  that the  final numbers  communicated by  the                                                              
department may  reflect outcomes from various  tolerance proposals                                                              
that  have   already  been  offered   and  accepted   for  certain                                                              
districts.  He  speculated   that  over  the  past   year  or  so,                                                              
compliance  discussions  may  have led  to  certain  flexibilities                                                              
already  being  factored in.  However,  there  may be  aspects  of                                                              
Alaska's  funding  distribution  that cannot  accommodate  further                                                              
flexibility,   leading    to   the   request    for   supplemental                                                              
appropriations.  He explained  that  the department  has  provided                                                              
two  main   flexibilities:  the   small  tolerance   proposal  and                                                              
recalculating data  to see if it  aligns with the  provision. When                                                              
these  options are  exhausted, the  department typically  requests                                                              
supplemental appropriations.  He noted  that while there  could be                                                              
other flexibilities at play, he was not aware of them.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:17:59 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL   remarked  that  the  situation   sounded  like  a                                                              
colossal  level  of  flexibility,  approaching  a  waiver  of  the                                                              
provision's intent.  He then asked whether it was  typical for the                                                              
federal government  to allow a state  to use federal  COVID relief                                                              
funds  to meet  the  maintenance of  equity  requirements, as  was                                                              
allowed  in Alaska  in January  2023. He  questioned whether  this                                                              
practiceusing   federal   funds  to  satisfy  a   requirement  for                                                              
receiving  additional  federal  fundswas   a  common  or  flexible                                                              
approach.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:18:45 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. REID explained  that in this case, it was not  unusual for the                                                              
department  to offer  flexibility.  He noted  that the  department                                                              
allowed states to  draw from two funding sources  for flexibility.                                                              
The  first was  the Coronavirus  Relief  Fund (CRF),  part of  the                                                              
CARES Act passed  in March 2020, which provided  fiscal relief for                                                              
states.  While  CRF funds  could  be  used for  pandemic  response                                                              
efforts,  they were  explicitly  prohibited  from  being used  for                                                              
revenue replacement.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  REID noted  that  under the  American  Rescue Plan,  Congress                                                              
passed a  $350 billion  State and Local  Fiscal Relief  Fund, with                                                              
approximately  $195 billion  allocated to  states. While  intended                                                              
for  pandemic  response  and  a   wide  variety  of  efforts,  the                                                              
Department  of Treasury  later  ruled that  states  could use  the                                                              
funds  for revenue  replacement. He  stated his  belief that  this                                                              
was  inconsistent with  the original  congressional intent  behind                                                              
the  creation  of  the fund.  This  ruling  provided  states  with                                                              
significant flexibility in using these funds.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:20:05 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  REID noted  that  under the  American  Rescue Plan,  Congress                                                              
passed a  $350 billion  State and Local  Fiscal Relief  Fund, with                                                              
approximately  $195 billion  allocated to  states. While  intended                                                              
for  pandemic  response  and  a   wide  variety  of  efforts,  the                                                              
Department of  Treasury later ruled  that the funds could  be used                                                              
by states  for revenue  replacement, which  MR. REID believed  was                                                              
inconsistent  with the  original congressional  intent behind  the                                                              
creation   of  the  fund.   This  ruling   provided  states   with                                                              
significant flexibility in using these funds.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:21:22 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. REID  noted that the timing  of the January 2023  guidance was                                                              
significant, as  it came after the  state obligation date  for the                                                              
first Coronavirus  Relief Funds,  but still within  the obligation                                                              
period  for the State  and Local  Fiscal Relief  Funds. He  stated                                                              
his belief  that the  obligation deadline  is September  30, 2024,                                                              
and can  be spent through  2026. He pointed  out that  most states                                                              
had   already  appropriated   these  funds   in  previous   budget                                                              
processes, meaning  that while adjustments could be  made, many of                                                              
the  funds were  likely  already  accounted for.  He  acknowledged                                                              
that  it was  somewhat unusual  for federal  funds to  be used  to                                                              
comply with  other federal  policies, but  NCSL believes  this was                                                              
the congressional  intent. He  also noted  that the Department  of                                                              
Treasury's  interpretation  allowed  these  funds  to be  used  to                                                              
offset state revenue  reductions or as now interpreted,  to comply                                                              
with other federal policies.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:22:35 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  TOBIN stated  her  intent  to ask  Mr.  Bell about  whether                                                              
there  are  remaining  federal  funds to  help  Alaska  move  into                                                              
compliance.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:22:52 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GRAY-JACKSON   asked  for  assistance   in  brainstorming                                                              
different   approaches   for  Alaska   to   address  its   current                                                              
noncompliance  with  the  maintenance  of  equity  provision.  She                                                              
highlighted  the   complex  interaction  between   Alaska's  state                                                              
education  finance strategy  and federal  calculations and  sought                                                              
suggestions that  would respect  Alaska's unique challenges  while                                                              
maintaining equitable funding.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:23:34 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. REID  stated that  he does  not know  Alaska's finance  system                                                              
well  enough  to  provide  specific   advice  but  emphasized  the                                                              
importance of  understanding the  federal calculations  behind the                                                              
noncompliance.  He  suggested  that   the  federal  government  is                                                              
essentially overlaying  its own policy on top  of Alaska's funding                                                              
formula,  creating gaps.  He  encouraged Alaska  to  seek out  the                                                              
data and  details of what  the federal government  is identifying,                                                              
and  recommended   investigating   whether  the  differences   are                                                              
arbitrary or a priority of important to Alaska.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GRAY-JACKSON replied the response was "good enough."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:25:06 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR TOBIN  explained that  for transparency,  the committee  has                                                              
requested  all communications  between  the  Alaska Department  of                                                              
Education  and Early  Development  and the  federal government  to                                                              
review  the documents  thoroughly.  She  also mentioned  that  the                                                              
U.S.   Department  of   Education  committed   to  providing   its                                                              
communications  with  the  state.  Comparing  the  documents  will                                                              
determine the best  path forward. She acknowledged  concerns and a                                                              
letter from the  U.S. Department of Education  highlighting Alaska                                                              
is  the  only   state  not  in  compliance.  She   emphasized  the                                                              
importance  of  meeting  Alaska's  constitutional  obligation  and                                                              
expressed worries  about straining  the state's relationship  with                                                              
federal partners.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:26:33 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  REID   expressed  his   willingness  to  provide   background                                                              
information on  the [U.S.]  Department of Education's  enforcement                                                              
mechanisms,  including details  on what "high  risk" status  might                                                              
entail. He  thanked the committee  for inviting him,  acknowledged                                                              
the  complexity of  the  topic,  and hoped  to  assist in  ongoing                                                              
discussions.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:27:08 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR TOBIN invited Mr. Bell to the dais.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:27:27 PM                                                                                                                    
CONOR  BELL,  Fiscal  Analyst,  Legislative  Finance,  Legislative                                                              
Affairs Agency, Juneau, Alaska, introduced himself.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:27:39 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR TOBIN referenced  Mr. Reid's statement about  a provision in                                                              
the guidance  allowing the use  of remaining federal  relief funds                                                              
to meet  compliance. She inquired  whether Alaska still  had those                                                              
funds available  and what the state's  options are to  address the                                                              
situation.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:27:56 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BELL  stated that Alaska currently  has roughly $3  million in                                                              
unallocated  Coronavirus  State and  Local  Recovery Funds,  which                                                              
falls  far  short  of  the  $29 to  $30  million  needed  to  meet                                                              
compliance. He  mentioned that the  $3 million is included  in the                                                              
governor's  budget, with a  proposal to  reappropriate it  for the                                                              
Department  of  Corrections.  However,   as  it  stands,  that  $3                                                              
million remains available from the relief funds.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:28:31 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  TOBIN  expressed   hope  that  further  clarity   could  be                                                              
provided  on  how  Alaska's  hold   harmless  provision  may  have                                                              
impacted the state's  maintenance of equity compliance.  She noted                                                              
that  this  was  a  point  raised   by  Mr.  Reid  and  sought  to                                                              
understand  how the provision  might have  influenced the  federal                                                              
calculations.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:28:48 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  BELL  explained  that Alaska's  hold  harmless  provision  is                                                              
designed  to protect  school  districts from  significant  funding                                                              
losses  due to  large drops  in enrollment.  During the  pandemic,                                                              
many students in  districts like Anchorage shifted  from in-person                                                              
learning   to   correspondence    programs,   causing   drops   in                                                              
enrollment. Over  time, through a  series of step-downs,  the hold                                                              
harmless  provision limited  how much funding  could decrease.  By                                                              
FY  2022, enough  reduction  occurred  to affect  funding  levels.                                                              
Additionally,  even   though  students  moved   to  correspondence                                                              
programs,  they were still  funded at  the regular  correspondence                                                              
rate, adding to the hold harmless provision's impact.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:30:05 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEVENS asked  what options were available  to resolve the                                                              
conflict  between Alaska's  stance and the  federal Department  of                                                              
Education.  He  noted  that  the   state  believes  it  has  acted                                                              
correctly  and is  not required  to  return any  funds, while  the                                                              
federal  department  insists that  Alaska  owes money.  He  sought                                                              
clarity on possible pathways to resolve the disagreement.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:30:33 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  BELL  stated   that  resolving  the  issue   involves  policy                                                              
decisions  beyond his  purview but  outlined  three main  options:                                                              
the  legislature could  choose  to appropriate  additional  funds,                                                              
regardless  of  the federal  requirement;  the  governor's  office                                                              
might  decide  to  request supplemental  funding;  or  the  Alaska                                                              
Department  of Education  and  the  U.S. Department  of  Education                                                              
could reach  a new  agreement different  from the current  stance.                                                              
He did not comment on the likelihood of any specific option.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR   STEVENS   acknowledged    the   challenging   situation,                                                              
expressing  that   the  state  would  likely  need   to  fund  the                                                              
requirement  one way  or another,  despite  the already  difficult                                                              
budget circumstances.  He noted  that the  outcome remained  to be                                                              
seen.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:31:35 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR   KIEHL   asked   for   clarification   on   the   federal                                                              
government's  compliance   requirement,  questioning   whether  it                                                              
involved  returning  the  funds   to  the  federal  government  or                                                              
directing the money to school districts.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BELL clarified  that the  $30  million in  question would  be                                                              
distributed  to   specific  school   districts.  While   the  U.S.                                                              
Department of  Education has the  authority to revoke  around $200                                                              
million  in  ESSER  (Elementary  and  Secondary  School  Emergency                                                              
Relief)  funding  as  a  potential consequence,  it  has  not  yet                                                              
indicated   that  it  would   take  this   step.  The   additional                                                              
appropriation  being requested is  intended for school  districts,                                                              
not as a payment to the federal government.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:32:30 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL opined  that the  legislature would  likely aim  to                                                              
avoid any  scenario where $200 million  could be clawed  back from                                                              
school  districts. He  asked for  information on  the updates  and                                                              
guidance  that the  nonpartisan legislative  finance division  had                                                              
received  from   the  executive   branch  regarding   the  state's                                                              
obligations  and  options. He  referenced  Mr. Reid's  mention  of                                                              
guidance  from January  2023  about compliance  opportunities  and                                                              
inquired when the  legislature first became aware  of these issues                                                              
to allow for budget planning.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:33:06 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BELL stated his belief that  it was perhaps late last summer.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL  asked  if  it  was   after  the  last  legislative                                                              
session.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:33:27 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  BELL  replied  someone  else  in  the  [Legislative  Finance]                                                              
office may have had information, but he was not aware of it.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL asked  whether  there was  any  indication at  that                                                              
time  of  the  scope  of  the  noncompliance,  including  ballpark                                                              
figures, order of magnitude, or timeframes related to the issue.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:34:03 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BELL  explained that  the initial  estimate for  noncompliance                                                              
was  much lower,  around  $9 million,  based  on the  department's                                                              
early calculations.  This estimate increased significantly  to $30                                                              
million after the  U.S. Department of Education  advised the state                                                              
to include the hold harmless provision in its calculations.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:34:34 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL   whether  the  December   letter  from   the  U.S.                                                              
Department  of  Education,  indicating  an amount  just  under  $8                                                              
million, aligned  with the  earlier $9 million  estimate or  if it                                                              
raised concerns about the figure.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:34:57 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BELL asked Senator Kiehl to repeat the question.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL  stated his  belief that the  first letter  from the                                                              
U.S. Department  of Education  was in  January, with three  school                                                              
districts, at a total first year cost of about $7.8 million.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:35:19 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BELL  replied that  amount seemed correct,  and he  stated his                                                              
belief there was possibly around a million dollars in FY 23.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:35:29 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  TOBIN noted  that, according  to Mr.  Reid's testimony,  he                                                              
and others  in his agency had  requested that the  U.S. Department                                                              
of  Education  and  local  agencies  communicate  with  additional                                                              
education stakeholders.  She pointed  out that this  communication                                                              
did not occur,  leaving many involved in education  policy unaware                                                              
of the  issue until the December  2022 letter. She  also mentioned                                                              
that Mr. Reid had  indicated there was a letter  sent to districts                                                              
in July 2022,  which the department had previously  believed to be                                                              
erroneous. She  stated that the  department would be present  at a                                                              
future meeting to help clarify the timeline of communications.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:36:26 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GRAY-JACKSON   stated  that  the  department   has  until                                                              
Saturday to  respond to the federal  government and plans  to send                                                              
a  letter  on  Friday.  The  department   suggested  delaying  any                                                              
discussion  of an appropriation  until after  the letter  is sent.                                                              
She asked  for an opinion on  whether this approach  was advisable                                                              
and the best way to handle the situation.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:36:53 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  BELL  apologized and  stated  that  he  could not  advise  on                                                              
whether  delaying  an  appropriation   discussion  was  advisable,                                                              
noting that  the amount  in question was  still under  dispute. He                                                              
indicated that  he could  not provide  a definitive answer  either                                                              
way.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:37:10 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEVENS  asked for clarification on the  compliance issues                                                              
for 2022  and 2023,  noting  that the  state seemed  to be out  of                                                              
compliance  in  different  ways  for each  year.  He  requested  a                                                              
breakdown of  the differences, and  the respective  dollar amounts                                                              
for those two years to better understand the situation.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:37:33 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  BELL  explained  that  the  amounts  owed  for  FY  2022  are                                                              
significantly  larger than  for FY  2023. For  FY 2022,  Anchorage                                                              
School  District   owes  approximately  $15  million,   and  Kenai                                                              
Peninsula  District owes  $7.2  million. For  FY  2023, the  total                                                              
amount is around  $6-7 million, with the largest  amounts being $3                                                              
million for  Fairbanks, $2.5 million  for Kenai, $1.4  million for                                                              
Anchorage,  and  $200,000 for  Juneau  School District.  He  noted                                                              
that the  FY 2022  amounts are  more urgent,  as nearly  all other                                                              
states  have already  addressed  their obligations,  while the  FY                                                              
2023 amounts will become due relatively soon.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:38:57 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  STEVENS  asked  whether  the  reasons  for  noncompliance                                                              
differed between FY 2022 and FY 2023.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:39:03 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BELL indicated  that the reasons for noncompliance  in FY 2023                                                              
are likely similar  to those in FY 2022, primarily  related to the                                                              
step-down of  the hold harmless  provision. He explained  that for                                                              
most districts in  FY 2023, the comparison is between  FY 2022 and                                                              
FY  2023 funding  levels, while  for  high-poverty districts,  the                                                              
comparison  is  between   FY  2019  and  FY  2023.   Although  the                                                              
calculation  method  is  the  same,  using  different  base  years                                                              
results in varying amounts owed for FY 2023.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:39:41 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  asked for an  estimate of  how much more  the state                                                              
would  have owed  if  the U.S.  Department  of  Education had  not                                                              
allowed the  exclusion of 15 poor  rural school districts  in year                                                              
one  and more  than  20  school districts  in  year  two from  the                                                              
compliance calculations.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:40:01 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BELL  stated that he did  not have the exact  number available                                                              
but offered  to make a best guest  estimate and provide  it to the                                                              
committee if needed.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  TOBIN expressed  appreciation  and  requested  he send  the                                                              
estimate to her office for distribution to the committee.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:40:16 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  BJORKMAN noted  that  DEED recently  stated  that if  the                                                              
hold   harmless  provision   were  removed,   the  shortfall   for                                                              
maintenance  of  equity  would be  around  $400,000  to  $500,000.                                                              
However, it  was previously mentioned  that the figure  was closer                                                              
to $9  million. He asked  if there was  any information  about the                                                              
discrepancy  between  the calculations  from  legislative  finance                                                              
and the Department of Education's figures.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:41:09 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BELL  clarified that  other changes  contributed to  the shift                                                              
from the  initial $9 million estimate  to the current  $30 million                                                              
estimate. These  changes included  adjustments to the  calculation                                                              
for  high-poverty   and  high-need   school  districts,   such  as                                                              
changing the base  year. Additionally, Juneau School  District was                                                              
no  longer classified  as a  high-need  or high-poverty  district,                                                              
leading  to a  significant reduction  in the  amounts owed.  While                                                              
the  hold harmless  provision  was  the  main factor  driving  the                                                              
increase,  these recalculations  also  impacted  the estimates  by                                                              
reducing the amounts in some areas.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:42:05 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  BJORKMAN asked  for  the total  dollar  amount the  state                                                              
would need to  disburse to school districts to  achieve compliance                                                              
if the  hold harmless provision  were excluded from the  base year                                                              
calculation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:42:29 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  BELL restated  the  question and  said  he did  not have  the                                                              
exact  amount available.  However, he  offered to  provide a  best                                                              
guess estimate for the committee.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:42:55 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  BJORKMAN  asked  whether  he  believed  the  state  would                                                              
succeed in its  effort to remove the hold harmless  provision from                                                              
being  considered as  an  additional funding  amount  in the  base                                                              
year calculation.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:43:21 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  BELL  stated  that  he could  not  directly  comment  on  the                                                              
likelihood of  the state  prevailing in its  effort to  remove the                                                              
hold  harmless provision.  However,  he noted  that, according  to                                                              
the  U.S. Department  of  Education,  no  other states  have  been                                                              
granted  an  exemption,  and  all   have  included  hold  harmless                                                              
funding in their calculations.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. REID said he could not speak to the question.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:43:51 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  TOBIN informed  committee  members that  they could  submit                                                              
written  questions  to the  U.S.  Department of  Education,  which                                                              
will  provide  written responses  that  can  be made  public.  She                                                              
encouraged  members to  send questions  to the  office if  answers                                                              
could not  be obtained from  Mr. Reid or  Mr. Bell.  She mentioned                                                              
that  she  had  questions  regarding  proposed  tolerance  levels,                                                              
noting  that  one state  had  chosen  to eliminate  all  tolerance                                                              
levels  and   increase  funding   for  all  districts   to  ensure                                                              
equitable allocation.  She emphasized  that various  options exist                                                              
for achieving compliance,  including the possibility  of providing                                                              
resources to every school district, not just selected ones.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:44:50 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR TOBIN emphasized  that Alaska remains the only  state not in                                                              
compliance  with  the maintenance  of  equity requirement  and  is                                                              
facing  unique  stipulations  from  the  federal  government.  She                                                              
reaffirmed  the  committee's  commitment  to ensuring  that  every                                                              
student in Alaska receives a quality education every day.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:47:03 PM                                                                                                                    
There  being no  further business  to come  before the  committee,                                                              
Chair  Tobin adjourned  the  Senate Education  Standing  Committee                                                              
meeting at 4:47 p.m.