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08:00:32 AM Confirmation: University of Alaska Board of Regents
08:12:27 AM Discussion No. 3 on Voucher Systems
08:55:53 AM Adjourn
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE EDUCATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         March 29, 2013                                                                                         
                           8:00 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Gary Stevens, Chair                                                                                                     
Senator Mike Dunleavy, Vice Chair                                                                                               
Senator Charlie Huggins                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                            
Senator Berta Gardner                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CONFIRMATION HEARING                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     University of Alaska Board of Regents                                                                                  
          Gloria O'Neill                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATION ADVANCED                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DISCUSSION No. 3 ON VOUCHER SYSTEMS                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
See Senate Education minutes for 03/01/13 and 03/22/13                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
GLORIA O'NEILL, Appointee                                                                                                       
University of Alaska Board of Regents                                                                                           
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented information related to her                                                                      
confirmation hearing.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
PATRICK WOLF, PhD, Professor of Education Reform                                                                                
21st Century Endowed Chair in School Choice                                                                                     
Department of Education Reform                                                                                                  
University of Arkansas                                                                                                          
Fayetteville, Arkansas                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented information related to vouchers.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:00:10 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  GARY   STEVENS  called   the  Senate   Education  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting  to order at 8:00  a.m. Present at the  call to                                                               
order were Senators Huggins and Dunleavy, and Chair Stevens.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^Confirmation: University of Alaska Board of Regents                                                                            
                      Confirmation Hearing                                                                                  
             University of Alaska Board of Regents                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
8:00:32 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR STEVENS  announced that the  first order of  business would                                                               
be a confirmation  hearing for Gloria O'Neill  [to the University                                                               
of Alaska Board of Regents].                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GLORIA  O'NEILL,   Appointee,  University  of  Alaska   Board  of                                                               
Regents, introduced herself.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS asked Ms. O'Neill  to provide information about her                                                               
reasons for wanting to serve on the Board of Regents.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. O'NEILL related  that she was asked by  the governor's office                                                               
if  she would  like  to serve  on  the Board.  She  said she  was                                                               
ecstatic and  very humbled because  for many years,  as president                                                               
and CEO of the Cook Inlet  Tribal Council (CTIC), she has focused                                                               
on  education issues.  She  opined that  education  is the  equal                                                               
opportunity for  all Alaskans. She  noted the last  several years                                                               
she has  focused her energy  on education reform. She  shared her                                                               
experience on  education issues and how  to advance opportunities                                                               
for rural Alaskans.  She related that the  Native community needs                                                               
to be involved in the education process.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
She described how  she has moved CITC into a  position to make an                                                               
impact in the local school district.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:03:28 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. O'NEILL related her personal  life and education history. She                                                               
stressed the importance  of education in her  life. She concluded                                                               
when  she   was  asked  to   serve  on  the  Board   she  replied                                                               
"absolutely."                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS requested Ms. O'Neill  comment on the impact of low                                                               
income on students and their desire to go to college.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. O'NEILL said it is a  complex issue. She related that parents                                                               
who are engaged  make a difference in  their students' education.                                                               
It is important for children to  have an adult in their lives for                                                               
support  within  the  schools. She  stressed  the  importance  of                                                               
counselors in  the larger  school districts.  She noted  in rural                                                               
areas  there are  fewer opportunities.  She suggested  leveraging                                                               
technology  to  assist  the community  and  parents  in  becoming                                                               
involved in education.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:07:03 AM                                                                                                                    
MS.  O'NEILL  spoke  in  support   of  residential  schools.  She                                                               
suggested that the education system  may need to look differently                                                               
in the next five years.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS spoke  of working to develop  Alaskans as Teachers.                                                               
He requested comments on that issue.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. O'NEILL was  clear that this is an area  that she supports; a                                                               
focus area that the university  needs to prioritize. She spoke of                                                               
some successes, such  as the Alaska Native  Education Science and                                                               
Engineering program,  but also challenges  in rural  Alaska. When                                                               
looking at  what has worked, there  is success in investing  in a                                                               
program which  teaches Alaskans to become  teachers. She stressed                                                               
the importance of turning around the poor graduation rate.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:10:26 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR STEVENS  noted the successes  of the Alaska  Native Science                                                               
and Engineering Program and  director Herb Schroeder's innovative                                                               
methods.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DUNLEAVY  moved to  forward  the  appointment of  Gloria                                                               
O'Neill  to  the  University  of  Alaska  Board  of  Regents  for                                                               
confirmation  before a  joint session  of the  legislature. There                                                               
being no objection, it was so ordered.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:11:20 AM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
^Discussion No. 3 on Voucher Systems                                                                                          
              Discussion No. 3 on Voucher Systems                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:12:27 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR STEVENS  announced that the  final order of  business would                                                               
be a continuation of the discussion on school vouchers.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
PATRICK WOLF,  PhD, Professor of  Education Reform,  21st Century                                                               
Endowed Chair  in School Choice, Department  of Education Reform,                                                               
University   of  Arkansas,   presented  information   related  to                                                               
vouchers. He said he would  discuss the effects of private school                                                               
choice programs. He  related that today 33  private school choice                                                               
programs  are funded  by direct  government appropriation  or tax                                                               
credits. These schools serve 244,000 children nationally.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He said  he has spent  the last  14 years studying  school choice                                                               
programs for  the federal and  state governments and  for private                                                               
foundations.  He explained  that  he  has completed  longitudinal                                                               
evaluations of  the school  choice programs  in Milwaukee  and in                                                               
the District of Columbia.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:15:17 AM                                                                                                                    
MR.  WOLF described  the impacts  of  the Choice  Program on  the                                                               
Milwaukee School  District, all  of them  favorable. He  said the                                                               
value of  a private  school voucher  program is  that it  is less                                                               
expensive than the amount spent  on public school students and it                                                               
saves taxpayers  money. The Choice  Program also  produced better                                                               
outcomes for students.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He reported  that researchers use scientific  methods to evaluate                                                               
school  choice programs.  The positive  effects of  such programs                                                               
are  similar for  both government-financed  voucher programs  and                                                               
for tax credit-financed scholarship programs.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:16:40 AM                                                                                                                    
MR.  WOLF quoted  data  from  Education Week:  "Of  the ten  gold                                                               
standard  experimental evaluations  of  voucher and  voucher-type                                                               
programs, nine  have reported achievement gains  from the voucher                                                               
programs for all or some subgroups of participating students."                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
He  related that  in the  D.C.  Opportunity Scholarship  Program,                                                               
after  three years,  students who  used  the federally  sponsored                                                               
vouchers gained an additional  four-and-a-half months of learning                                                               
compared  to students  in the  control group.  The D.C.  students                                                               
also graduated  at much higher rates,  with a 30 percent  gain in                                                               
the graduation rate.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
He  discussed  the  Florida   Statewide  Tax  Credit  Scholarship                                                               
program which  showed a significant  increase in  reading scores.                                                               
He concluded  that in  Milwaukee, D.C.,  and Florida,  there were                                                               
similar findings  regarding reading  scores. He pointed  out that                                                               
public  schools  deliver  better educational  results  for  their                                                               
students when they face competition from private school choice.                                                                 
He  related  that private  school  choice  programs serve  highly                                                               
disadvantaged  students.  Of  the   33  voucher  and  tax  credit                                                               
programs,  19 serve  lower income  families, six  are limited  to                                                               
students in underperforming public  schools, and two programs are                                                               
targeted to  both. Ten voucher  programs are limited  to students                                                               
with disabilities.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:19:29 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. WOLF shared information about  the D.C. voucher program which                                                               
began  in 2004.  Over 99  percent of  the students  were African-                                                               
American  or Hispanic-American  with  the  average annual  family                                                               
income  of just  over $17,000.  He said  that 17  percent of  the                                                               
students had a diagnosed disability.  The students served by this                                                               
federal school choice program were highly disadvantaged.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He  reported  at  the  start  of the  Milwaukee  study  in  2006,                                                               
students in  the program were  matched with the  lower performing                                                               
students in the  public schools. He quoted John  Witty as saying,                                                               
"The evidence is overwhelming that  voucher programs do not cream                                                               
the best  and the brightest  kids. In  fact, it is  the opposite.                                                               
They  attract  more  disadvantaged  students out  of  the  public                                                               
schools."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He  maintained  that  vouchers   programs  often  improve  racial                                                               
integration,  political  tolerance,  and  volunteerism.  He  said                                                               
research  has confirmed  that students  and  adults volunteer  at                                                               
higher rates if they have exercised private school choice.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WOLF  provided  statistics about  parent  satisfaction  with                                                               
school choice.  Every study shows  that parents are  much happier                                                               
with their child's  school if they played a role  in choosing it.                                                               
In the D.C.  program, 80 percent of parents  graded their child's                                                               
school with  an A or  a B, compared to  50 percent of  parents in                                                               
the control group.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He made concluding comments about  the benefits of private school                                                               
choice programs.  He quoted  a parent in  a D.C.  voucher program                                                               
explaining why the program was important to her.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:22:48 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. WOLF offered to answer questions.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS asked Mr. Wolf to  describe the types of schools he                                                               
works with.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WOLF replied  that  the majority  of  private school  choice                                                               
schools are  religious schools. In  D.C. about 60 percent  of the                                                               
students  attended  Catholic  schools.   In  Milwaukee  about  45                                                               
percent attended  Catholic schools and about  30 percent attended                                                               
Lutheran  schools.   In  Milwaukee  there  are   several  Jewish,                                                               
Islamic,  and Evangelical  schools. There  are also  some secular                                                               
private schools.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:24:25 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DUNLEAVY inquired  if schools  in New  England were  the                                                               
first voucher schools.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOLF  replied that there  is some disagreement as  to whether                                                               
they  are  private or  voucher  schools.  Some rural  communities                                                               
never established public schools in  Maine and Vermont. The state                                                               
decided  to pay  the tuition  for  students in  those areas.  The                                                               
schools  looks like  voucher schools,  but  they are  run by  the                                                               
state. He said he liked that there are a variety of models.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DUNLEAVY noted  Alaska is  in the  process of  trying to                                                               
change the constitution to allow for  public money to be used for                                                               
private or religious schools.  He mentioned contradictory studies                                                               
and how much they vary, pro and con, regarding vouchers.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOLF opined that some programs  do a selective reading of the                                                               
literature. He  noted he presents  all results of all  studies in                                                               
his presentations.  Sometime the samples  are too small to  get a                                                               
clear significant  impact of  a program.  Many critics  seize the                                                               
one result  that was  not significant  and then  characterize the                                                               
study as such. He deemed that not fair.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He  pointed out  that all  four  studies show  that voucher  kids                                                               
graduate at a higher rate.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:29:21 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNLEAVY spoke  of NEA's resistance to  school choice and                                                               
their  claim  that such  an  approach  will seriously  negatively                                                               
impact public education  and will cost taxpayers  more money. NEA                                                               
claims there is no federal  protection in terms of discrimination                                                               
and that some  schools are teaching religion. He  opined that the                                                               
argument boils down to money and religion.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOLF commented  that when a private school  choice program is                                                               
implemented  there is  only a  small exodus  to the  new program.                                                               
About 3 to  5 percent of eligible students  participate the first                                                               
year.  The  financial  impact  depends  on  how  the  program  is                                                               
designed. If  the money  follows the  student, the  public school                                                               
gets less money.  The purpose of the funding is  the education of                                                               
the student, so  the money going with the  student is legitimate.                                                               
He said  most parents like  that religious education  is included                                                               
in the  curriculum in order  to help with the  child's formation.                                                               
Most  parents don't  care which  kind of  religion is  associated                                                               
with  the  school.  The voucher  schools  accommodate  kids  with                                                               
diverse backgrounds.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOLF spoke  to the legality of vouchers.  Because parents are                                                               
deciding where the  resources are going, it does  not represent a                                                               
government  endorsement  of  religion. He  emphasized  that  when                                                               
public  schools  face competition,  they  tend  to improve  their                                                               
performance and student test scores go up.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:34:53 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR STEVENS  requested more information  about how  all schools                                                               
improve with competition from private schools.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WOLF  said the  research  is  not sufficiently  advanced  to                                                               
ensure that  is so.  He said  there are  general trends,  such as                                                               
public schools tend to communicate  more effectively with parents                                                               
and  clarify what  their  school provides.  This  has a  positive                                                               
effect on  school achievement and on  parental involvement. These                                                               
are  modest  improvements.  He   concluded  that  private  school                                                               
competition causes schools to be more outward looking.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:37:08 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  HUGGINS  inquired  about  socio-economic  status  as  it                                                               
relates to school choice in high school and in college.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOLF  shared his uncertainty  about the  inequity surrounding                                                               
Pell  Grants for  disadvantaged  students and  vouchers for  K-12                                                               
students. He  stressed that  disadvantaged students  benefit most                                                               
from private schools.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HUGGINS provided  an example  of previous  resistance to                                                               
cyber  schools,  charter  schools,  and  correspondence  schools,                                                               
which now are popular. Parents  are now promoting those programs.                                                               
He asked if Mr. Wolf is seeing the same thing.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WOLF  described the  Florida  Virtual  Academy, the  largest                                                               
private  school   participating  in  a  tax   credit  scholarship                                                               
program.  He  said,  in general,  a  policy  infrastructure  that                                                               
allows school  choice is the future  of education. It is  a blend                                                               
of  virtual learning  and alternative  teaching methods,  such as                                                               
coaching  students.  He  said  that states  can  put  the  policy                                                               
structure in place now in  order to accommodate the transition to                                                               
blended learning.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:42:35 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  HUGGINS  referred to  data  that  reflected that  Alaska                                                               
received  a C  grade  for education  in a  poll  of Alaskans.  He                                                               
wondered why school choice evolved in Milwaukee and D.C.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOLF  said key leaders  of those communities demanded  it. In                                                               
Milwaukee, Pauley  Williams worked  with Governor  Tommy Thompson                                                               
and  Republican  leadership  to  craft  the  first  urban  school                                                               
voucher  program. In  D.C., the  Republican  Congress proposed  a                                                               
school  voucher  program  and  Mayor  Anthony  Williams  and  the                                                               
superintendent promoted it. He pointed  out that most initiatives                                                               
are bi-partisan and driven by a coalition.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:45:13 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR STEVENS described Alaska's  low population and inquired how                                                               
school choice  applies to  rural districts,  of which  Alaska has                                                               
many. He said rural students  are having difficulties on national                                                               
tests.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOLF  reported that he  visited Anchorage in 2012.  He agreed                                                               
that  Alaska is  unique. He  though private  school choice  would                                                               
have the  most impact in  urban areas such as  Juneau, Anchorage,                                                               
and Fairbanks.  He understood that  existing private  schools are                                                               
under-enrolled. The most immediate effect  would be felt in urban                                                               
areas. Rural areas are not  impossible to incorporate into school                                                               
choice by  the use of  residential schools or hybrid  and virtual                                                               
schools.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:48:45 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNLEAVY  noted he is  a prime sponsor  on SJR 9,  a very                                                               
controversial  bill. He  said in  Alaska there  is a  home-school                                                               
correspondence  program,  which  he  described as  a  voucher  to                                                               
purchase materials and equipment. He  wished to allow children to                                                               
integrate into private schools for  classes. He asked if there is                                                               
a similar model in the Lower 48.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WOLF  said  very  few  states  provide  financing  for  home                                                               
schooling. He said  this type of customizing of  education is the                                                               
direction  of the  future. Private  school  choice helps  support                                                               
that  customization  of education.  Parents  like  to have  their                                                               
children socialize, so a hybrid model would be very attractive.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DUNLEAVY  said opponents  paint  a  negative picture  of                                                               
school choice. He asked if there is any evidence of this.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:53:11 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. WOLF  said he has seen  bad public schools in  urban settings                                                               
have  to close  due  to public  charter schools  in  D.C. and  in                                                               
Milwaukee. He opined  that the students in public  schools win by                                                               
moving to  better schools.  He said  he did  not consider  that a                                                               
disaster.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS  said it  was a  very informative  presentation. He                                                               
thanked the presenter.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WOLF  related his  excitement  about  what is  happening  in                                                               
Alaska.  He listed  states  that are  also  interested in  making                                                               
private  school choice  available: Arkansas,  Tennessee, Georgia,                                                               
Minnesota, and Montana.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:55:53 AM                                                                                                                    
There being  no further  business to  come before  the committee,                                                               
Chair Stevens  adjourned the Senate  Education Committee  at 8:55                                                               
a.m.                                                                                                                            

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