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04/10/2021 11:30 AM House WAYS & MEANS

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11:35:23 AM Presentation(s): Economic Impact of Fiscal Solutions
12:53:28 PM Adjourn
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Solutions by
- Brad Keithley, Alaskans for Sustainable Budget
- Carl Davis, Institute on Taxation & Economic
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
           HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS                                                                          
                         April 10, 2021                                                                                         
                           11:34 a.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ivy Spohnholz, Chair                                                                                             
Representative Andy Josephson                                                                                                   
Representative Calvin Schrage                                                                                                   
Representative Andi Story                                                                                                       
Representative Mike Prax                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Adam Wool, Vice Chair                                                                                            
Representative David Eastman                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Dan Ortiz                                                                                                        
Senator Robert Myers                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION(S):  ECONOMIC IMPACT OF FISCAL SOLUTIONS                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
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PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CARL DAVIS, Research Director                                                                                                   
Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy                                                                                       
North Carolina                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided a PowerPoint presentation, titled                                                               
"Analyzing Fiscal Solutions," dated 4/10/21.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRAD KEITHLEY                                                                                                                   
Alaskans for Sustainable Budgets                                                                                                
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided a PowerPoint presentation, titled                                                               
"The Economic Impact of Various Fiscal solutions," dated                                                                        
4/10/21.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
11:34:48 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR IVY  SPOHNHOLZ called the  House Special Committee  on Ways                                                             
and  Means  meeting  to  order at  11:34  a.m.    Representatives                                                               
Josephson, Schrage,  Story, Prax,  and Spohnholz were  present at                                                               
the call  to order.   Also present were Representative  Ortiz and                                                               
Senator Myers.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION(S):  Economic Impact of Fiscal Solutions                                                                          
     PRESENTATION(S):  Economic Impact of Fiscal Solutions                                                                  
                                                                                                                              
11:35:23 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SPOHNHOLZ announced  that the only order  of business would                                                               
the Economic Impact of Fiscal Solutions presentation.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
11:35:55 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CARL  DAVIS, Research  Director,  ITEP,  introduced a  PowerPoint                                                               
presentation,  titled  "Analyzing  Fiscal Solutions"  [hard  copy                                                               
included  in  the  committee  packet].    He  informed  committee                                                               
members  about  ITEP,  a  non-profit  and  non-partisan  research                                                               
organization, on  slides 2 and  3.  He  noted that ITEP  had been                                                               
performing  tax policy  research  since 1980,  adding that  state                                                               
policy was the organization's primary  focus.  ITEP's recent work                                                               
in Alaska  included a distributional analyses  of revenue options                                                               
for Alaska (2016); an assessment  of the consequences of Alaska's                                                               
House Bill 115 (2017); a  comparison of the distributional impact                                                               
of revenue options  for Alaska (2017); a  comparison of flat-rate                                                               
income tax options for Alaska (2020).                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
11:38:03 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  outlined the  revenue options  that would  be detailed                                                               
throughout the presentation on slide 4, which read as follows:                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     1. PFD reduction                                                                                                           
     2. Sales tax                                                                                                               
     3. Payroll tax                                                                                                             
     4. Flat income tax (no exemption)                                                                                          
     5. Flat income tax (with exemption)                                                                                        
     6. Graduated rate income tax                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS said he would  be focusing on the distributional impact                                                               
of  the revenue  options at  different income  levels.   He added                                                               
that  that order  of  the  agenda was  deliberate,  such that  it                                                               
progressed  from  the  more regressive  revenue  options  to  the                                                               
progressive revenue  options.  He  clarified that in  the context                                                               
of taxes, "progressive"  referred to a higher tax  rate on higher                                                               
income people rather than a political ideology.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
11:39:45 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS  continued  to  slide   5,  titled  "Tax  Distribution                                                               
Analysis:  Microsimulation  Modeling,"   which  read  as  follows                                                               
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
       Step  1: Start with  a large database  of information                                                                    
     (from  IRS,  Census,  BLS,  etc.)  on  income  sources,                                                                    
     deductions,  consumption, property  value, family  size                                                                    
     and structure, etc. in Alaska                                                                                              
        Assembled  on  a  "micro"  level  for  thousands  of                                                                    
     representative tax units                                                                                                   
       Step 2: Run tax  calculator repeatedly, for every tax                                                                    
     unit                                                                                                                       
        Same  approach  used  at  the  federal  level  (both                                                                    
     executive and  legislative branches) and in  many state                                                                    
     governments                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS discussed  a hypothetical reduction of $500  to the PFD                                                               
and how that would impact families  as a share of their income on                                                               
slide  6.   He pointed  out  that the  PFD was  a more  important                                                               
source of income  for lower-income families.   The data indicated                                                               
that a  reduction of that size  would result in a  5 percent loss                                                               
of income  for the lowest  20 percent of  earners and only  a 0.1                                                               
percent  loss for  the wealthiest  families.   He noted  that the                                                               
chart on slide 6 exemplified a regressive proposal.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
11:42:02 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SCHRAGE  asked for  the  definition  of a  family                                                               
unit.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  said the unit  of measurement  was a tax  unit, adding                                                               
that the  size of  the tax unit  could vary.   He defined  a "tax                                                               
unit"  as a  group  of people  that filed  a  single federal  tax                                                               
return, similar to a household.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SPOHNHOLZ  inquired about the  categories of  family income                                                               
on slide 6.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  explained that tax  units were grouped  into quintiles                                                               
[groups of  20 percent] from lowest  income to highest.   The top                                                               
20 percent was broken into three  groups (next 15 percent, next 4                                                               
percent, and  top 1  percent) because of  the enormous  amount of                                                               
income and large variety of  economic circumstances in that group                                                               
[the top 20 percent].                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SPOHNHOLZ sought  to confirm  that the  data was  based on                                                               
actual tax units from [2019].                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS answered yes.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
11:44:41 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STORY  asked Mr.  Davis  to  quantify the  income                                                               
groups on slide 6 in terms of yearly earnings.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  indicated that the  lowest 20 percent  represented tax                                                               
units  earning roughly  $25,000 or  less; the  middle 20  percent                                                               
represented  tax units  earning between  $40,000 to  $70,000; the                                                               
top 5  percent represented tax  units earning over $230,000.   He                                                               
noted  that   the  groups  represented  Alaska's   unique  income                                                               
distribution.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
11:46:10 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  introduced a hypothetical  three percent sales  tax on                                                               
slide 7,  highlighting its  impact as a  share of  family income.                                                               
He said  this was also an  example of a regressive  tax, although                                                               
less so  than the PFD  reduction because high income  people paid                                                               
more in  sales tax since  they bought more things.   Nonetheless,                                                               
the amount was small relative to  their income due to the savings                                                               
rate at  the top.   He expounded that because  a sales tax  was a                                                               
tax on  spending, tax units could  delay paying that tax  if they                                                               
saved a large portion of their earnings.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SPOHNHOLZ  asked whether the  three percent sales  tax that                                                               
was  modeled in  2016  was capped.   She  said  sales taxes  were                                                               
regressive  because they  typically  capped the  total amount  of                                                               
taxable value to $2,500.   Therefore, an individual who bought an                                                               
entry  level Kia  could pay  the same  amount in  sales tax  as a                                                               
person who bought a Hummer, for example.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS clarified  that  slide 7  did  not model  a  cap.   He                                                               
reported that  Alaska localities  were somewhat  unusual relative                                                               
to the  rest of the nation  for having those caps.   He confirmed                                                               
that implementing a cap would  make the tax even more regressive,                                                               
as sales tax payments on larger purchases would be capped.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:48:44 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS continued discussing sales  taxes around the country on                                                               
slide  8.   He maintained  that  the regressive  nature of  these                                                               
taxes was inescapable.   He emphasized that it  was important not                                                               
to over promise how much  could be accomplished through sales tax                                                               
exemptions.   He  pointed out  that  one-third to  one-half of  a                                                               
sales tax  typically fell on  businesses, which was  reflected in                                                               
the overall price levels in a state.  He remarked:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     You can  try to carve out  rent from a sales  tax base,                                                                    
     for  example, but  if you're  taxing lumber  and you're                                                                    
     taxing contractor services, you're  going to be raising                                                                    
     the cost of housing anyway.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS  concluded that  sales  tax  influenced overall  price                                                               
level.   He added that  there were unique implications  in Alaska                                                               
where the  statewide variation in  prices was  huge.  He  said it                                                               
was easy to imagine how an  individual living in an isolated area                                                               
could  pay 50  percent more  sales tax  for the  same shirt  as a                                                               
person  living in  Anchorage  due  to the  high  prices in  rural                                                               
Alaska.    He  went  on   to  address  the  potential  impact  on                                                               
historically marginalized  communities.  He said  ITEP's analyses                                                               
of  other states  found  that minority  groups  who were  earning                                                               
lower  average  incomes  due  to  discrimination,  tended  to  be                                                               
disproportionately  impacted  by sales  tax.    He reported  that                                                               
White  families in  Tennessee  paid about  3.9  percent of  their                                                               
income  in sales  tax whereas  Black and  Hispanic families  paid                                                               
about 5  percent.  He  indicated that  the 30 percent  premium on                                                               
Black and Hispanic families was  primarily because they were more                                                               
likely to  fall into lower  income brackets where the  effects of                                                               
the sales tax  tended to be higher.  He  recommended performing a                                                               
racial  impact   statement  if  the  legislature   was  seriously                                                               
considering a sales  tax to understand if it would  have a higher                                                               
impact on Alaska Native communities, for example.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
11:52:42 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS reviewed  the different  types of  personal income  on                                                               
slide 9, which read as follows:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
       Wages, salaries                                                                                                          
       Retirement income (IRA, pension, annuities, Social                                                                       
     Security)                                                                                                                  
      Business income (sole proprietorship, partnership, S                                                                      
     corporation)                                                                                                               
          Investment income (capital gains, dividends,                                                                          
     interest)                                                                                                                  
       Other (PFD, unemployment, farm)                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS directed  attention to the pie chart on  slide 9, which                                                               
showed that in Alaska, the  major sources of personal income were                                                               
salaries and wages (69 percent),  retirement income (14 percent),                                                               
business income (9 percent), and investment income (8 percent).                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
11:53:54 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  discussed a hypothetical  payroll tax of  2.43 percent                                                               
on  slide  10, highlighting  its  impact  as  a share  of  family                                                               
income.   In 2016, ITEP estimated  that a sales tax  of that size                                                               
would  raise  about  $500  million  in revenue  each  year.    He                                                               
explained that a payroll tax  was progressive through part of the                                                               
income distribution and regressive through  others.  At the lower                                                               
income  level, things  like social  security income,  which would                                                               
not be  subject to a  payroll tax,  brought down the  average tax                                                               
rate on  lower income group.   He  clarified that a  minimum wage                                                               
worker  would  still pay  the  full  2.43 percent;  however,  the                                                               
average was brought down by  people, like retirees, who would not                                                               
pay a payroll tax.   Alternatively, among the higher earners, the                                                               
lower rates  were driven  by a high  degree of  investment income                                                               
and business profit.  He noted  that the IRS data identified that                                                               
many high earners  did earn a salary, but  it was proportionately                                                               
less important to  their overall earnings.  He  concluded that if                                                               
capital gains,  dividends, and business profits  were exempt from                                                               
taxation, the overall  tax rate on high income  earners tended to                                                               
be low.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
11:55:38 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SCHRAGE sought  to confirm  that "family  income"                                                               
referred to the combined personal income of the family unit.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS answered yes.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
11:55:58 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS reviewed the impact  of a hypothetical flat rate income                                                               
tax of 2.5 percent with no exemption  on slide 11.  He noted that                                                               
this was  a flat tax  levied on  all the aforementioned  types of                                                               
personal income.  He added  that the federal statutory definition                                                               
of income  was adjusted gross  income (AGI), which was  what most                                                               
states  utilized  when  crafting  their   own  income  tax.    He                                                               
indicated that a flat tax on  AGI, as shown on slide 11, resulted                                                               
in a flat  distribution across income levels.   The progressivity                                                               
depicted in  the lower  earners was  because this  model excluded                                                               
the PFD  from taxation; further,  a tax break on  social security                                                               
income  was embedded  in  federal AGI,  which  tended to  benefit                                                               
people at the "bottom."  He  stated that the flat-rate income tax                                                               
was close  to being  a proportional  tax in  that it  was neither                                                               
regressive  nor  progressive.    He  examined  another  flat-rate                                                               
income  tax  on  slide  12;  however, this  model  added  a  base                                                               
exemption  level,  such  that  the   first  $10,000  in  earnings                                                               
($20,000 for married  couples) would not be subject  to this tax.                                                               
He explained  that the base  exemption would keep  extremely low-                                                               
income families  off the  tax rolls  and offer  a proportionately                                                               
larger tax cut to moderate income  families.  He expounded that a                                                               
$10,000 exemption on a $30,000  earner would shelter one-third of                                                               
his/her  income from  tax;  alternatively,  that exemption  would                                                               
only offer a tax cut of 10 percent for $100,000 earners.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:58:33 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS continued  to slide  13, which  modeled a  progressive                                                               
income tax  with varying rates  from 0-7  percent on a  base that                                                               
was linked to  federal AGI with some additional  exemptions.  The                                                               
intention  was that  high-income  families would  pay higher  tax                                                               
rates,  he said.   He  further noted  that this  kind of  tax was                                                               
utilized by  the federal  government.   Slides 14-16  presented a                                                               
standardization  across the  four different  policy options  that                                                               
were calibrated to raise the same  amount of money for the state.                                                               
He  said the  data  showed how  each of  the  four options  would                                                               
impact   families  at   different  income   levels.     Slide  14                                                               
highlighted   the   impact   on  low-income   Alaska   residents,                                                               
indicating  that a  PFD  cut  (red bar)  would  be the  costliest                                                               
option for those residents.   A progressive income tax (grey bar)                                                               
with  an exemption  would cost  low-income  families very  little                                                               
depending on the  exemption level.  Sales taxes  (yellow bar) and                                                               
payroll taxes  (blue bar)  would fall  between the  two extremes.                                                               
Slide  15 examined  the impact  on  middle-income residents,  for                                                               
which the differences were less  pronounced but still notable.  A                                                               
PFD cut  would still  be the  costliest option  for middle-income                                                               
families, whereas a personal income  tax - depending on the level                                                               
of exemption - would still be  the least costly option.  Slide 16                                                               
illustrated the impact on  high-income residents, indicating that                                                               
a personal income tax would be  the costliest option for them.  A                                                               
sales tax  or PFD  cut would have  minimal impact  on high-income                                                               
residents and a payroll tax would fall somewhere in the middle.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
12:02:31 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS turned  to slide  17,  which compared  a $500  million                                                               
sales tax  to a $500  million personal  income tax.   He reported                                                               
that low-income  groups were more  impacted by the sales  tax and                                                               
high-income  groups were  more affected  by the  income tax.   He                                                               
suggested  that most  Alaskans  would likely  pay  less under  an                                                               
income  tax,  a point  that  was  summarized  on  slide 18.    He                                                               
explained that ITEP's analysis found  that about four out of five                                                               
Alaskan families  would pay less  under a progressive  income tax                                                               
as  opposed to  a  sales  tax.   Slide  19  reiterated that  most                                                               
families  in Alaska  would be  impacted more  by a  PFD reduction                                                               
than a  progressive income tax.   Mr. Davis shared a  quote about                                                               
taxes  and  economic  growth  from  a  literature  review  of  27                                                               
academic articles  by Michael Mazerov,  CBPP, on slide  20, which                                                               
read as follows:                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        "Some studies  by reputable  economists ?  find that                                                                    
     above-average state  and local taxes have  a measurable                                                                    
     and  consistently  adverse  impact  on  state  economic                                                                    
     performance.  However, many  equally reputable  studies                                                                    
     reach the opposite conclusion, and  the results of many                                                                    
     more are  mixed, ambivalent, or  show that  any adverse                                                                    
     impacts are small. There is simply no consensus?"                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS said  the overall  literature on  state taxes  and the                                                               
economy  suggested that  the  effect  was "a  mixed  bag."   Some                                                               
studies  indicated  that  a  high-income tax  or  high  taxes  in                                                               
general could  be damaging  to a  state's economy,  whereas other                                                               
studies showed that  they could be beneficial  in instances where                                                               
the  money was  invested  in education  and  infrastructure.   He                                                               
opined that  the effect of  state taxes on the  statewide economy                                                               
was  often  exaggerated.     He  believed  there   was  not  much                                                               
difference  between  a  sales  tax  and an  income  tax  from  an                                                               
economic growth  perspective.   He said  raising tax  dollars and                                                               
reinvesting  them   in  the  community   through  infrastructure,                                                               
education, and other quality of  life improvements should provide                                                               
real economic benefits over the long term.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
12:07:03 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS directed  attention to  slide 21,  which examined  job                                                               
creation  in states  that had  recently  enacted significant  tax                                                               
increases.    The  takeaway  was  that the  effect  varied.    He                                                               
recommended  being  conscious  of economic  consequences  and  to                                                               
steer  clear  of  any  hyperbole.    He  added  that  Alaska  was                                                               
fortunate in that  it had gotten by without taxes  for this long.                                                               
He  concluded  that  [the  legislature]   should  not  be  overly                                                               
concerned with  economic impact if  they were prudent  with state                                                               
spending.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
12:08:51 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SPOHNHOLZ said  a  common perception  was  that passing  a                                                               
progressive  tax would  stifle a  state's economic  growth.   She                                                               
asked whether  Mr. Davis  had suggested that  there was  no clear                                                               
evidence for or against that theory.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS relayed that ITEP had  performed a study on states with                                                               
high income taxes  compared to states with no income  taxes.  The                                                               
findings suggested  that there was  no significant  difference in                                                               
terms of economic  growth.  Additionally, he  quashed the concern                                                               
that  taxing the  wealthy would  causer them  to leave  by citing                                                               
research  that showed  there was  no significant  outmigration of                                                               
high-income  residents  based on  tax  rate.   He  affirmed  that                                                               
dynamic  economies with  higher tax  rates at  high-income levels                                                               
existed.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SPOHNHOLZ asked whether there  were other states without an                                                               
income or sales tax.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS answered  New Hampshire;  however, he  noted that  New                                                               
Hampshire  was raising  its taxes  on residents  by other  means,                                                               
including investment  income and  an exceptionally  high property                                                               
tax.  He  added that overall, Alaska was still  a lower tax state                                                               
compared to  New Hampshire  for its  residents, as  a significant                                                               
amount of money was raised from oil.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
12:11:42 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   JOSEPHSON   referenced   studies   on   national                                                               
happiness  and asked  whether there  was research  that reflected                                                               
"the mood  of the electorate satisfaction  with their governments                                                               
and their lifestyles" that might be relevant.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS  said he  was  not  well  versed in  that  literature.                                                               
Nonetheless, he  pointed out that  he paid  his taxes as  a civic                                                               
duty  and a  contribution to  society  for the  schools his  kids                                                               
would attend  and the  roads he  drove on every  day.   He opined                                                               
that  these  investments  were   the  fabric  that  held  society                                                               
together, which was the reason for  taxes in the first place.  He                                                               
believed it was important to keep investments funded by taxes.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SPOHNHOLZ observed  that a PFD reduction was one  form of a                                                               
tax.    She  said  ITEP's analysis  clarified  that  the  highest                                                               
earners were  the only group that  wouldn't be impacted by  a PFD                                                               
cut, which was important to  note when considering distributional                                                               
impacts, she  said.   She emphasized that  a PFD  reduction would                                                               
have a  significant impact on  the poorest and  would essentially                                                               
function  as a  tax if  an individual's  income were  to drop  by                                                               
$2,000 without the dividend.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
12:15:10 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SPOHNHOLZ  thanked  Mr.  Davis  and  introduced  the  next                                                               
presenter, Brad Keithley.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
12:15:16 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
BRAD  KEITHLEY, Alaskans  for Sustainable  Budgets, introduced  a                                                               
PowerPoint presentation,  titled "The Economic Impact  of Various                                                               
Fiscal Solutions"  [hard copy included in  the committee packet].                                                               
He began on slide 2, which  outlined the following agenda for the                                                               
presentation [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
        • What are the measures of economic impact                                                                              
        • The studies:                                                                                                          
          -2016 ISER Study & follow ups                                                                                         
          -2019 Buckley Institute Study                                                                                         
          -2020 Tax Foundation Study                                                                                            
        • Balancing the impacts                                                                                                 
        • This presentation does not address the economic                                                                       
          impact of changes in oil or corporate taxes                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEITHLEY contextualized  the discussion on slide 3.   He said                                                               
he  would  be  talking  about  the  economic  impact  of  various                                                               
available  options for  closing  the  persistent budget  deficits                                                               
that lay ahead  for Alaska.  The slide featured  his version of a                                                               
10-year forecast  using the current  futures prices of oil.   The                                                               
forecast  showed a  continued 10-year  deficit at  an average  of                                                               
$700  million.   He  reiterated that  competing alternatives  for                                                               
closing  that deficit  would be  discussed  in the  presentation,                                                               
each  alternative with  its  own  set of  economic  impacts.   He                                                               
indicated  that the  goal  was to  identify  the alternative,  or                                                               
alternatives, with the  least adverse economic impact.   He noted                                                               
that currently,  the option  with the  largest adverse  impact on                                                               
the overall  economy was being  utilized.  He proceeded  to slide                                                               
4, titled "Measuring the economic  impact," which read as follows                                                               
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        • 2016 ISER Study looked at four impacts on 10                                                                          
          options:                                                                                                              
          -Income                                                                                                               
          -Jobs                                                                                                                 
          -Distribution (by income level)                                                                                       
          -Regional                                                                                                             
        • The Buckeye & Tax Foundation studies are more                                                                         
          limited                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
12:18:40 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KEITHLEY turned  to slide  5, which  listed 10  options that                                                               
ISER considered for closing the deficit:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
        • Spending Cuts:                                                                                                        
          -Workers                                                                                                              
          -Capital                                                                                                              
          -Broad-based                                                                                                          
          -Pay                                                                                                                  
        • Revenues:                                                                                                             
          -Income tax: progressive                                                                                              
          -Income tax: 'flat-rate'                                                                                              
          -Dividend cut                                                                                                         
          -Sales tax: more exclusions                                                                                           
          -Sales tax: fewer exclusions                                                                                          
          -Property tax                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
12:20:08 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KEITHLEY proceeded  to slide  6, which  examined the  output                                                               
from the  2016 ISER study.   The output  featured a high  and low                                                               
scenario for the income and employment  impacts of each of the 10                                                               
options.     Slide  7  simplified  the   findings  by  presenting                                                               
midpoints, which  averaged the  low and  high scenarios  for each                                                               
option.   He highlighted  that the dividend  cut had  the highest                                                               
impact  on income,  as the  adverse effect  was 7  percent higher                                                               
than any  other revenue option.   Additionally, he  reported that                                                               
using  PFD cuts  to  fund  the fiscal  gap  would  have a  higher                                                               
adverse  impact on  income than  any of  the spending  cuts.   He                                                               
noted that  the spending cuts tended  to have a higher  impact on                                                               
jobs.  Nonetheless,  the adverse impact of the PFD  cut was still                                                               
9  percent  higher than  the  next  highest revenue  option  when                                                               
considering the impacts on employment.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SPOHNHOLZ  acknowledged  that  the ISER  study  cited  two                                                               
separate  metrics:  income impact  and  employment  impact.   She                                                               
believed  that from  a  policy standpoint,  it  was important  to                                                               
consider both.   She  further noted that  spending cuts  to state                                                               
employees  meant  a significantly  larger  number  of lost  jobs,                                                               
which  tended to  be middle  class  jobs.   She said  this was  a                                                               
significant number for  policy makers to consider  in addition to                                                               
the income impacts of a PFD reduction.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KEITHLEY concurred.    He  added that  it  was important  to                                                               
understand that the  dividend cut had a higher  adverse impact on                                                               
employment than any other revenue approach.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
12:23:44 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KEITHLEY  detailed  ISER's  distributional  analysis,  which                                                               
showed  the impact  at different  income levels.   He  noted that                                                               
this  data   corresponded  closely  with   ITEP's  distributional                                                               
analysis, indicating that the PFD  cut would have a higher impact                                                               
on  lower-  and middle-income  Alaskan  families  than any  other                                                               
option.  He addressed the regional  impact on slide 9, which read                                                               
as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
        "We would expect variation in revenue impacts by                                                                        
     region -                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     ...  lower-income regions  are  likely  to be  affected                                                                  
     relatively  more  by  dividend cuts  and  sales  taxes,                                                                    
     which have  relatively greater effects  on lower-income                                                                    
     groups.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
      ... Higher-income regions are likely to be affected                                                                     
     relatively more by income taxes, which have relatively                                                                     
     greater effects on higher-income groups."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KEITHLEY summarized  that the  regional impact  followed the                                                               
distributional impact.  He added  that all approaches [to closing                                                               
the deficit]  would have  a distributional  impact on  income and                                                               
therefore, a regional  impact.  Slide 10  highlighted the follow-                                                               
up studies conducted by ISER,  which supplemented the 2016 study.                                                               
In 2017,  the first  follow-up study looked  at what  closing the                                                               
state budget gap  would cost Alaska families;  the second follow-                                                               
up study examined the PFD and poverty in Alaska.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
12:26:40 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEITHLEY reviewed the notable  findings from the ISER studies                                                               
on  slide   11,  which  read  as   follow  [original  punctuation                                                               
provided]:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
        • "The impact of the PFD cut falls almost                                                                               
          exclusively  on   residents,  and  it   is  highly                                                                    
          regressive, so  it has the largest  adverse impact                                                                    
          on  the economy  per dollar  of revenues  raised."                                                                    
          (2016 Short-Run Report)                                                                                               
        • "A cut in PFDs would be by far the costliest                                                                          
          measure  for  Alaska  families.  ...  Sales  taxes                                                                    
          would be  the next  costliest for  households with                                                                    
          children.  ... The  effects of  any of  the fiscal                                                                    
          options on incomes  of households without children                                                                    
          would be much the same." (2017 Cost to Families)                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEITHLEY  pointed out  that cutting the  PFD had  the largest                                                               
adverse  impact because  it was  the only  revenue approach  that                                                               
would  take all  the money  from Alaskans  only.   Alternatively,                                                               
non-residents would  be contributing  to a  sales or  income tax.                                                               
Slide 12  continued to summarize  the notable findings  from ISER                                                               
as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
        • "The PFD:                                                                                                             
          -  ... annually  lifts 15,000-25,000  Alaskans out                                                                    
          of  poverty,   depending  on   the  size   of  the                                                                    
          dividend.                                                                                                             
          - ...  reduces the number of  Alaska Native living                                                                    
          in poverty by one-quarter.                                                                                            
        • "Reducing the PFD by $1,000 will likely increase                                                                      
          the number  of Alaskans below the  poverty line by                                                                    
          12-15,000  (2%  of   Alaskans)."  (2016  PFDs  and                                                                    
          Poverty in Alaska)                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
12:30:51 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEITHLEY  transitioned to the  2019 Buckeye  Institute Report                                                               
on  slide  13,  which  read   as  follows  [original  punctuation                                                               
provided]:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
        • No distributional or regional analysis                                                                                
        • Notional argument for reduced govt spending                                                                           
        • Analysis of revenue alternatives                                                                                      
          -Static (projected)                                                                                                   
          -"Dynamic"     ("predicts     how     individuals,                                                                    
          households,  and   businesses  will   alter  their                                                                    
          economic choices in response")                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KEITHLEY  discussed  the  Buckeye  Institute's  analysis  of                                                               
various  revenue  options  on  slide 14.    The  revenue  options                                                               
included  a  sales   tax,  a  "flat"  (payroll)   income  tax,  a                                                               
progressive income  tax, and a  proportional (taxes  paid) income                                                               
tax.   He pointed out  that the sales  tax had an  advantage over                                                               
the income taxes  in terms of GDP and  investment; however, sales                                                               
tax  had a  larger adverse  impact (per  $100 million  raised) on                                                               
jobs  and  consumption  than  any   other  revenue  option.    He                                                               
concluded  that  the Buckeye  Institute  Report  found "no  clear                                                               
winner" among the various revenue approaches.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
12:36:34 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX opined that the  findings on sales tax seemed                                                               
counterintuitive.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEITHLEY noted  that much of Alaska's GDP was  driven by oil.                                                               
That aside,  he explained that  GDP was affected by  many things,                                                               
including investment and  manufacturing.  He pointed  out that as                                                               
sales tax had  a lower impact on investment, it  would help drive                                                               
a (relatively) positive impact on GDP.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRAX  asked  how many  "iterations"  the  Buckeye                                                               
Institute performed.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEITHLEY said  he never reviewed the  appendix that discussed                                                               
the dynamic model.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
12:38:35 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SPOHNHOLZ  asked  Mr.  Davis to  comment  on  the  dynamic                                                               
modeling that was  used in the 2019 Buckeye  Institute Report and                                                               
its findings.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS agreed  with  Representative  Prax.   He  said it  was                                                               
surprising  to see  the results  showing GDP  and jobs  moving in                                                               
"such different  ways."  He believed  that ISER had done  more to                                                               
account  for  the  effect  of   government  spending,  which  was                                                               
significant  to a  state level  dynamic  score.   He opined  that                                                               
dynamic modeling was a more  speculative analysis due to the many                                                               
assumptions  involved in  its creation.   He  added that  dynamic                                                               
models  had a  reputation for  being "gameable,"  indicating that                                                               
they could be used to produce a  large range of results.  He said                                                               
he  tended to  approach this  kind of  analysis with  a skeptical                                                               
view.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
12:40:57 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KEITHLEY  resumed  the  presentation   on  slide  15,  which                                                               
introduced  the 2020  Tax Foundation  Study as  follows [original                                                               
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
        • No distributional or regional analysis                                                                                
        • Notional arguments for "reallocations (POMV                                                                           
          50/50), reductions (spending) & revenues"                                                                             
        • Notional analysis of sales, income, motor fuel                                                                        
          and oil & gas taxes                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEITHLEY shared  the notable arguments by  the Tax Foundation                                                               
on slide 16, which read [original punctuation provided]:                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Sales tax: Because it is  imposed on consumption rather                                                                  
     than on  labor, the economic  impact of a sales  tax is                                                                    
     smaller and  collections are  less volatile  than under                                                                    
     tan  income  tax.  To  reduce  distributional  effects,                                                                    
     sales  taxes also  should be  broad  based, to  include                                                                    
     both goods and services.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Motor fuel  tax: While  the revenues  a motor  fuel tax                                                                  
     could  raise are  insufficient to  the task  of closing                                                                    
     Alaska's  revenue gap,  an  increase  could make  sense                                                                    
     particularly since  its effects on the  state's overall                                                                    
     competitiveness would be modest.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEITHLEY  highlighted that the  Tax Foundation made  a strong                                                               
argument that if  Alaska implemented a sales tax, it  should be a                                                               
sales tax that would apply to both goods and services.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
12:44:01 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEITHLEY  addressed "flat taxes"  on slide 17  and emphasized                                                               
the importance  of identifying the  tax base.  ISER  used taxable                                                               
income as  the tax  base for  its flat tax,  which had  a smaller                                                               
base  and  required a  higher  percentage  to generate  the  same                                                               
amount of revenue.   Buckeye used a payroll tax  as the tax base,                                                               
whereas  the Tax  Foundation utilized  AGI.   Additionally,  ITEP                                                               
used  AGI  with exemptions  for  its  December  2020 study.    He                                                               
explained  that someone  could  not support  a  flat tax  without                                                               
first identifying  its base.   He progressed to slide  18, titled                                                               
"Way  Forward:  Balancing the  Impacts,"  which  read as  follows                                                               
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        • Determining the overall economic impact of each                                                                       
          option requires balancing various criteria:                                                                           
          income,   jobs,   investment,   distributional   &                                                                    
          regional impact                                                                                                       
        • No clear "best": For example, viewed from some                                                                        
          criteria, a  sales tax has the  lowest impact, but                                                                    
          it   is   unavoidably   regressive   and   has   a                                                                    
          disproportionately higher adverse  impact on mid &                                                                    
          lower  income Alaska  families (and  regions) than                                                                    
          other alternatives                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEITHLEY continued  reviewing the impacts on  slide 19, which                                                               
read [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
        • But a clear worst: PFD cuts have all the "largest                                                                     
          adverse  impact"   both  on  the   overall  Alaska                                                                    
          economy & Alaska families of the revenue options                                                                      
        • We support a flat tax (based on AGI) because:                                                                         
         -It has a relatively low impact on all factors                                                                         
          -Is   distributionally   (sic)  (and   regionally)                                                                    
          neutral                                                                                                               
          -Importantly,   also  ensures   that  ALL   Alaska                                                                    
         families have the same "skin" in govt spending                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEITHLEY thanked  the committee for the  opportunity to share                                                               
his thoughts on various solutions for Alaska's economy.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
12:49:46 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SCHRAGE  agreed  that  at  the  very  least,  the                                                               
solution needed  to spread the burden  without disproportionately                                                               
targeting low-income families  and regions.  He  pointed out that                                                               
if no  action was  taken to  solve the  deficit, that  would also                                                               
disproportionately  affect low-income  families and  regions that                                                               
depend on state  services.  He asked whether  Mr. Keithley agreed                                                               
that doing nothing was as poor an option as cutting the PFD.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
12:50:36 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KEITHLEY clarified  that doing  nothing was  essentially the                                                               
spending cut option,  which was included in the  2016 ISER study.                                                               
He confirmed that cutting services  for low-income families would                                                               
have  a  disproportionately adverse  impact  on  them.   He  said                                                               
another option was  overdrawing the ERA, which  was essentially a                                                               
tax  on  future  generations.    He  maintained  that  the  ideal                                                               
approach was one that would  spread the burden equitably and have                                                               
a low adverse impact on the overall economy.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
12:51:33 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SCHRAGE  asked   for  information   on  a   cost                                                               
comparison between  a flat tax and  a progressive tax.   He asked                                                               
whether one was easier and  cheaper to administer compared to the                                                               
other.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEITHLEY said it depended on  the base.  He explained that if                                                               
federal AGI was  used as the base, they would  both be relatively                                                               
easy because  of the ability  to piggyback on the  federal income                                                               
tax form.   He pointed out  that creating a new  Alaska tax would                                                               
be administratively  costly.  He  reiterated that  the difficulty                                                               
depended on the tax base.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
12:52:31 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SPOHNHOLZ  encouraged members  to  read  the ITEP  studies                                                               
referenced  by  Mr.  Davis,   as  they  provided  Alaska-specific                                                               
analyses.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
12:53:28 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Special  Committee on  Ways and  Means meeting  was adjourned  at                                                               
[12:53] p.m.                                                                                                                    

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
ITEP Alaska Fiscal Solutions 4.10.21.pdf HW&M 4/10/2021 11:30:00 AM
Alaskans for Sustainable Budgets 4.10.21.pdf HW&M 4/10/2021 11:30:00 AM