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01:03:58 PM Presentation: Per- and Polyfluoroalkyl Substances Mitigation at Our Airports
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
            HOUSE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                           
                         March 13, 2025                                                                                         
                           1:02 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ashley Carrick, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Ted Eischeid, Co-Chair                                                                                           
Representative Genevieve Mina                                                                                                   
Representative Louise Stutes                                                                                                    
Representative Kevin McCabe                                                                                                     
Representative Elexie Moore                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Cathy Tilton                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: PER- AND POLYFLUOROALKYL SUBSTANCES MITIGATION AT                                                                 
OUR AIRPORTS                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: LEADED AVIATION GAS IN ALASKA UPDATE                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TROY LARUE, Division Operations Manager                                                                                         
Statewide Aviation                                                                                                              
Department of Transportation and Public Facilities                                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Co-presented a PowerPoint, titled                                                                        
"Introduction to Per- and Polyfluoroalkyl Substances (PFAS)."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
AARON DANIELSON, Division Operations Manager                                                                                    
Fairbanks International Airport                                                                                                 
Department of Transportation and Public Facilities                                                                              
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION   STATEMENT:      Co-presented  a   PowerPoint,   titled                                                             
"Introduction to Per- and Polyfluoroalkyl Substances (PFAS)."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CURT CASTAGNA, Co-Chair; President, CEO                                                                                         
Eliminate Aviation Gasoline Lead Emissions Initiative;                                                                          
National Air Transportation Association                                                                                         
Los Alamitos, California                                                                                                        
POSITION   STATEMENT:      Co-presented  a   PowerPoint,   titled                                                             
"Eliminate  Aviation Gasoline  Lead Emissions  Initiative (EAGLE)                                                               
Update."                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
KAREN HUGGARD, Vice President                                                                                                   
Government Affairs                                                                                                              
National Air Transportation Association                                                                                         
Washington, DC                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Answered  questions during  the PowerPoint,                                                             
titled  "Eliminate Aviation  Gasoline  Lead Emissions  Initiative                                                               
(EAGLE) Update."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:02:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR ASHLEY CARRICK called  the House Transportation Standing                                                             
Committee meeting to  order at 1:02 p.m.   Representatives Moore,                                                               
Mina, Stutes, McCabe,  Eischeid, and Carrick were  present at the                                                               
call to order.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: Per- and  Polyfluoroalkyl Substances Mitigation at                                                               
Our Airports                                                                                                                    
PRESENTATION: Per- and Polyfluoroalkyl Substances Mitigation at                                                             
                          Our Airports                                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
1:03:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  CARRICK  announced that  the  first  order of  business                                                               
would be a  presentation by the Department  of Transportation and                                                               
Public   Facilities  on   per-  and   polyfluoroalkyl  substances                                                               
mitigation at Alaska's airports.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:04:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TROY  LARUE,  Divisions  Operation Manager,  Statewide  Aviation,                                                               
Department of Transportation and  Public Facilities (DOT&PF), co-                                                               
presented  the  PowerPoint,  titled  "Introduction  to  Per-  and                                                               
Polyfluoroalkyl  Substances (PFAS)"  [hard copy  included in  the                                                               
committee file].  He explained  what constitutes PFAS, as seen on                                                               
slide 2 and slide 3.   He stated that these substances were first                                                               
introduced in  the 1950s, and now  they are "found in  just about                                                               
everything."    He  pointed  out   that  PFAS  are  difficult  to                                                               
breakdown  in the  environment because  they are  heat resistant,                                                               
transferable by water, and capable of  sticking to the soil.  For                                                               
these reasons, he  stated that contamination spread is  easy.  He                                                               
stated  that over  6,000 chemicals  make up  PFAS.   He described                                                               
them  as "forever  chemicals" that  bioaccumulate in  animals and                                                               
humans, with a minimum toxic  contamination level at 70 parts per                                                               
trillion.   He described Aqueous  Film Forming Foam  (AFFF) which                                                               
is a  PFAS product  used in  consumer products,  such as  in non-                                                               
stick cookware, stain resistant  furniture, ski waxes, rain gear,                                                               
cooking  utensils,  paints,  plastics, adhesives,  personal  care                                                               
products,  convenience food  packaging, and  some bottled  water.                                                               
He clarified that  the contamination from these  chemicals is not                                                               
just  from firefighting,  and  he noted  other  sources, such  as                                                               
manufacturing and wastewater treatment plants.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. LARUE moved  to slide 4 and described the  pathways for PFAS.                                                               
He noted that these chemicals  are not removed in water treatment                                                               
plants.  He pointed out that  industrial smoke emits PFAS, and it                                                               
leaches into the ground at  landfills; therefore, these chemicals                                                               
end up  in the groundwater  that animals and humans  consume, and                                                               
in the animals that humans eat.   On slide 5, he pointed out that                                                               
firefighting foam  with PFAS is  more often found at  the state's                                                               
139 airports  that are federally  certified.  He noted  that PFAS                                                               
are also found on military  bases, which are prevalent across the                                                               
state.   He  pointed out  that these  chemicals are  difficult to                                                               
track because they spread so easily in any body of water.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. LARUE moved  to slide 6 and discussed the  impacts of PFAS on                                                               
drinking water in the state.  On  the slide, he noted the list of                                                               
the state's  contaminated sites.  Because  of this contamination,                                                               
he stated that  water is shipped into some  of these communities.                                                               
On slide 7,  he pointed out that some  DOT&PF capital improvement                                                               
construction projects  would have contamination risks,  and these                                                               
risks could cause delay.   He added that contamination mitigation                                                               
could come  with a  high cost.   He stated  that DOT&PF  has been                                                               
working  with the  Department  of  Environmental Conservation  to                                                               
determine how  best to sequester contamination  so projects could                                                               
be   completed.     He  stated   that   another  alternative   to                                                               
sequestration would  be to  ship the  contamination to  the Lower                                                               
48, where there are systems to  mitigate PFAS.  He moved to slide                                                               
8  and  discussed   contamination  site  characterization,  which                                                               
involves the  examination of  sites to  determine where  the PFAS                                                               
plume is located and where it might be moving.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:10:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
AARON   DANIELSON,   Division   Operations   Manager,   Fairbanks                                                               
International  Airport (FIA),  Department  of Transportation  and                                                               
Public    Facilities,   co-presented    a   PowerPoint,    titled                                                               
"Introduction  to Per-  and  Polyfluoroalkyl Substances  (PFAS)."                                                               
On slide 9,  he noted that airports have a  high concentration of                                                               
PFAS, and  he discussed what  is being done  to reduce this.   He                                                               
pointed  out that  new standards  have been  set for  the use  of                                                               
fluorine-free  foam  (F3),  and  a new  foam  provider  has  been                                                               
selected.   He  noted  that this  new, "green"  foam  would be  a                                                               
replacement on all airport firetrucks;  however, the trucks would                                                               
need  to  be  cleaned  first because  these  chemicals  are  very                                                               
resilient.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:12:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DANIELSON, in response to  a question from Co-Chair Eischeid,                                                               
expressed uncertainty  concerning the difference in  cost between                                                               
F3 foam and  PFAS foam.  He expressed the  understanding that the                                                               
costs would  be comparable.   He stated  that he would  follow up                                                               
with the committee on this cost comparison.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DANIELSON stated  that  DOT&PF  has put  out  a request  for                                                               
proposals to  clean the  firetrucks contaminated  with PFAS.   He                                                               
noted that these proposals would  concern the federally certified                                                               
airports  in the  state.    He stated  that  these proposals  are                                                               
currently being  evaluated.  He  moved to slide 11  and discussed                                                               
the study done  in 2023 on contamination remediation.   He stated                                                               
that  the  study  has  resulted  in some  pilot  projects.    For                                                               
example, he noted  the use of an effective  thermal treatment for                                                               
contaminated  soil; however,  he pointed  out that  this takes  a                                                               
high volume  of energy and heat.   He stated that  this treatment                                                               
was  tested at  a highly  contaminated pit  site, which  had been                                                               
used for decades for airport fire  training.  He noted that after                                                               
the treatment, there  had been a 99 percent reduction  of PFAS in                                                               
a water sample.  He added that this result "is very promising."                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DANIELSON, in  response to  a  question from  Representative                                                               
Stutes,  explained  that  it  took  years and  a  large  body  of                                                               
research on  PFAS for  the realization to  come about  that these                                                               
chemicals  were leaching  into the  groundwater.   Once this  was                                                               
determined, he said that impact studies  had to be done on humans                                                               
and animals; furthermore, dangerous  levels had to be determined.                                                               
He  described the  impact as  bioaccumulative,  which means  that                                                               
human health  would be affected  [as PFAS became  concentrated in                                                               
the body  over time].   In response  to a follow-up  question, he                                                               
expressed uncertainty  on the specific  effects on  human health.                                                               
He offered to follow up to with some resources on this.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE  questioned  the  mitigation  of  PFAS  in                                                               
Kodiak, as  the U.S. Coast  Guard there has a  fire-training burn                                                               
pit next to the ocean.   He expressed the understanding that this                                                               
site  has been  used for  years.   He questioned  the ability  of                                                               
finding PFAS in the ocean.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. LARUE,  in response, expressed  the understanding  that these                                                               
chemicals are found  in the water and in the  fish, and the Coast                                                               
Guard is in  the process of cleaning  up this burn pit  area.  He                                                               
stated  that PFAS  has been  around for  the last  20 years,  and                                                               
resources to deal with this are now being developed.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. LARUE,  in response to  a series of follow-up  questions from                                                               
committee  members,  stated  that  there are  many  class  action                                                               
lawsuits with  the chemical  companies.   He answered  that there                                                               
are   many  pathways   for  individuals   to  seek   restitution,                                                               
especially if  the individual knows  where and when  the exposure                                                               
happened.   In  response,  he clarified  that contamination  from                                                               
PFAS is a  countrywide issue.  He stated that  the processes used                                                               
for breaking down PFAS would be covered in an upcoming slide.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:23:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DANIELSON  stated that the  primary method for  breaking down                                                               
PFAS  would   require  heat,  time,   and  an   activated  carbon                                                               
filtration system.   On slide 10, he referred to  the 2023 study,                                                               
which  had involved  onsite  methods for  PFAS  destruction.   On                                                               
slide 11, he  discussed the method of  injecting activated carbon                                                               
into the groundwater pathway, as this  would hold a PFAS plume in                                                               
place.  He noted that this method  has had some success on a fire                                                               
pit site in Fairbanks.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. DANIELSON moved to slide 12  and pointed out that options for                                                               
disposal  of contamination  in the  state are  currently limited.                                                               
He  stated  that  for  soil,  water,  AFFF,  or  waste  products,                                                               
disposal  would  require removal  from  the  state, or  it  would                                                               
require onsite  remediation.   He stated  that any  contract made                                                               
for removal would include creating onsite remediation.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LARUE, in  response  to a  question  from Co-Chair  Carrick,                                                               
asserted that  because of  the vast  amounts of  contamination in                                                               
the state,  the goal would be  to have remediation in  state.  He                                                               
also noted the expense of  sending the contamination to the Lower                                                               
48 for treatment.   He expressed optimism  concerning the results                                                               
of tests for  onsite remediation in Fairbanks.  In  response to a                                                               
follow-up  question,  he  stated that  onsite  remediation  would                                                               
involve  treating   the  contamination  in  the   area  where  it                                                               
occurred.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:28:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DANIELSON moved  to slide 13 and went into  further detail on                                                               
the methods of  remediating and destroying PFAS.   He stated that                                                               
PFAS remediation  is a rapidly  evolving form of technology.   He                                                               
discussed  a  proven  method  for  treating  water,  which  would                                                               
involve filtration, and then moving  the contaminant into a solid                                                               
form for  destruction.   He pointed out  that another  method for                                                               
water  treatment would  involve  foam fractionation.   He  stated                                                               
that this would bubble out  PFAS for treatment by bioremediation.                                                               
Concerning    foam   treatments,    he   discussed    destruction                                                               
technologies that  often use chemical  and thermal methods.   For                                                               
soil treatments, he  stated that this is done  in the traditional                                                               
method of  excavation and disposal, often  into another location.                                                               
He noted  that new technologies  would involve putting  a thermal                                                               
component directly  into the soil,  with carbon barriers  to keep                                                               
the contaminants  in place.  In  recap, he stated that  there are                                                               
many technologies that could be  used; however, factors in Alaska                                                               
would  need   to  be  considered,   such  as  the  size   of  the                                                               
remediation, the  remote locations,  and other  contaminants that                                                               
could be present, as seen on slide 14.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DANIELSON   moved  to  slide  15   and  summarized  DOT&PF's                                                               
commitment  in addressing  PFAS.   He reiterated  that sites  are                                                               
being  addressed  to determine  the  level  of contaminants,  and                                                               
areas with a  known discharge of AFFF are being  prioritized.  He                                                               
stated that  drinking water is  being tested, and water  would be                                                               
provided  to residents  in  contaminated areas.    He noted  that                                                               
communities with  contamination sites  are being educated  on the                                                               
impacts of PFAS.   He continued that, except  in emergencies with                                                               
fire, no AFFF has been sprayed to the ground since 2019.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:31:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. LARUE, in response to  a question from Representative Stutes,                                                               
stated that  when the department  dispenses water to  the public,                                                               
water  bottles that  do  not  contain PFAS  would  be  used.   In                                                               
response, he stated that PFAS-free bottles would be marked.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. LARUE,  in response to  a question from  Representative Mina,                                                               
stated that DOT&PF  is working on the transportation  side of the                                                               
issue,  and for  advice,  it would  reference  the Department  of                                                               
Health  and  Human  Services,  the  Department  of  Environmental                                                               
Conservation (DEC), and others.   He stated that DEC would advise                                                               
DOT&PF on  a construction site  project, for example,  but DOT&PF                                                               
would not be in "the loop" concerning people's health.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:33:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR CARRICK questioned the  amount of PFAS firefighting foam                                                               
that still exists in the state.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. DANIELSON responded that it  is a federal requirement for all                                                               
firefighting foam  in airports to  have a  PFAS base.   He stated                                                               
that  the  state  would  receive   its  first  shipment  of  non-                                                               
fluorinated foam this year.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  CARRICK referenced  slide 8,  which showed  airports in                                                               
the  state  where  site  characterization has  been  done.    She                                                               
suggested that even  if an airport is not listed  or been tested,                                                               
it would still have PFAS on site.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LARUE, in  response, expressed  agreement that  airports not                                                               
listed  likely have  contamination.   He stated  that DOT&PF  had                                                               
worked  with DEC,  and  it  was determined  that  the sites  with                                                               
shallow groundwater should be tested  first.  He noted that there                                                               
is still more work to do on testing.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LARUE, in  response  to Representative  Mina, expressed  the                                                               
hope that federal funding would  be available for remediation, as                                                               
it  is  difficult  to  find  state  funds.    He  reiterated  the                                                               
department's commitment.   In response  to a  follow-up question,                                                               
he stated  that outside of the  work being done at  airports, the                                                               
department   would  partner   with  other   state  entities   and                                                               
communities on this effort.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. DANIELSON,  in response to  a question from  Co-Chair Carrick                                                               
concerning  individual drinking  water  well sites  near FIA,  he                                                               
expressed  the understanding  that it  would not  be possible  to                                                               
remediate individual wells because  PFAS contamination would come                                                               
from a  continuous plume, and  it would not  economically viable.                                                               
He  added that  a home  filtration system  could be  installed to                                                               
remove PFAS from the water.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. LARUE added  that in some of the rural  areas effected, there                                                               
are  active  projects to  implement  filtration  systems in  some                                                               
businesses and  homes.  In  response to a follow-up  question, he                                                               
expressed the understanding that there  has been no PFAS detected                                                               
in vegetables; however, he noted  the importance of washing these                                                               
vegetables.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:43:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 1:43 p.m. to 1:45 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: Leaded Aviation Gas in Alaska Update                                                                             
       PRESENTATION: Leaded Aviation Gas in Alaska Update                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
1:45:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  CARRICK  announced that  the  final  order of  business                                                               
would be a presentation on leaded aviation gas in Alaska.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:46:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CURT  CASTAGNA,   Co-Chair,  Eliminate  Aviation   Gasoline  Lead                                                               
Emissions  Initiative  (EAGLE);   President,  CEO,  National  Air                                                               
Transportation  Association  (NATA), co-presented  a  PowerPoint,                                                               
titled  "Eliminate Aviation  Gasoline  Lead Emissions  Initiative                                                               
(EAGLE) Update" [hard  copy included in the committee  file].  On                                                               
slide  1,  he introduced  himself  and  discussed several  recent                                                               
meetings he has had with stakeholders  in Alaska.  On slide 2, he                                                               
overviewed the key  objectives of EAGLE, which is  to promote the                                                               
transition to  unleaded aviation  fuel by 2030.   He  stated that                                                               
this transition time  has been expanded by two  years for Alaska.                                                               
He clarified that 2030  would not be a deadline, but  a goal.  He                                                               
stated that  the Environmental Protection  Agency (EPA)  came out                                                               
with  a finding  that  one-hundred low-lead  (100LL)  fuel is  an                                                               
environmental  risk.   He  added  that  this  fuel has  not  been                                                               
banned, but  a transition plan  is being implemented,  along with                                                               
replacement fuel.   He suggested  that the transition  might take                                                               
longer than the 2030 goal.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. CASTAGNA  pointed out  that the problem  with leaded  fuel is                                                               
not just  environmental.   He explained that  the only  source of                                                               
the  lead  additive used  to  make  this  fuel is  in  Liverpool,                                                               
England.  He stated that this  facility would be closing in 2030;                                                               
therefore,  the  transition  away  from 100LL  would  also  be  a                                                               
business decision.  He stated  that this leaded compound would be                                                               
stockpiled until 2030.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:54:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. CASTAGNA reiterated  EAGLE's goal, as seen on  slide 3, which                                                               
read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     "Eliminate  the  use  of   leaded  aviation  fuels  for                                                                    
     piston-engine aircraft in the  United States by the end                                                                    
     of 2030  (2033 for Alaska) without  adversely impacting                                                                    
     the  safe  and  efficient  operation  of  the  existing                                                                    
     fleet."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. CASTAGNA  noted that  the trade  organizations listed  on the                                                               
bottom  of  the  slide  are working  with  the  Federal  Aviation                                                               
Administration (FAA).   He discussed the  different components of                                                               
the organizations listed.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CASTAGNA overviewed  the  objectives of  EAGLE,  as seen  on                                                               
slide 5, which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     -  Facilitate Stakeholder  Support for  the Development                                                                    
     and Deployment of Viable Replacements for 100LL                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     - Research and Develop  Technical Solutions to Mitigate                                                                    
     the Potential Impacts on the Existing GA Fleet                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     - Inform  the Regulatory  & Policy Processes  to Safely                                                                    
     and  Smartly  Transition  to a  Viable  Replacement  to                                                                    
     Eliminate Lead Emissions                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     -  Protect   the  Availability  of  100LL   During  the                                                                    
     Transition                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. CASTAGNA added  that there is not a replacement  for 100LL at                                                               
this point.  He stated that  the chemistry is being researched to                                                               
find  a  similar  additive  that   would  create  the  same  high                                                               
performance in aircraft.  He moved  to slide 5 and discussed what                                                               
a viable  unleaded replacement for  100LL avgas would  look like,                                                               
stating that  this replacement must meet  three elements: safety,                                                               
production  and distribution,  and  consumer  usage.   Concerning                                                               
safety,  he  said  that  aircraft   must  continue  to  meet  FAA                                                               
requirements,  and  the  components  of  the  new  fuel  must  be                                                               
acceptable for this.  Concerning  production and distribution, he                                                               
said that there must be an  understanding of the fuel so business                                                               
decisions for  the needed supply  could be  made.  He  added that                                                               
the  fuel must  be  produced and  distributed  in quantities  and                                                               
locations  to   meet  the   country's  needs.     He   noted  the                                                               
complexities  and limitations  of  transporting  fuel in  Alaska.                                                               
Concerning consumer usage,  he said that it  must be economically                                                               
reasonable  for  consumers, and  manufacturers  must  be able  to                                                               
provide technical and warranty support.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:58:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CASTAGNA, in  response to  a  committee question,  clarified                                                               
that  he  is currently  in  California,  while Karen  Huggard  is                                                               
located in Washington DC.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. CASTAGNA moved to slide 6  and discussed the factors that are                                                               
affecting the  availability of 100LL  avgas.  He pointed  out the                                                               
environmental factors,  and he  gave details  on the  lawsuits in                                                               
California.   Concerning the economic factors,  he reiterated the                                                               
issue of  the single  supplier of  the lead  additive.   He added                                                               
that another  factor would  be the transition  to 100LL  avgas by                                                               
General Aviation.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CASTAGNA,  in response  to  a  question from  Representative                                                               
McCabe concerning  the lawsuits in California,  explained that in                                                               
2015, [the  Center for Environmental  Health] in  California sued                                                               
fixed fuel suppliers  in the state because the  suppliers had not                                                               
posted the  lead content  in some products.   In  the settlement,                                                               
there was a  requirement that the defendants  would replace 100LL                                                               
avgas by  2055.   Since the  time of the  lawsuit, a  fuel became                                                               
available,  and [the  Center for  Environmental Health]  took the                                                               
defendants back  to court to  stop the use  of 100LL.   He stated                                                               
that there is now a temporary  ruling in favor of the defendants,                                                               
as the new  fuel is not yet commercially viable.   In response to                                                               
a  follow-up  question,  he   clarified  that  "not  commercially                                                               
viable" in  this situation  would mean that  there is  not enough                                                               
fuel to  replace 100LL, a  price point has not  been established,                                                               
and engine manufactures have not endorsed the fuel.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:03:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. CASTAGNA, in  response to a committee question,  said that he                                                               
is not a  resident of Alaska, but he has  traveled to Alaska many                                                               
times for  annual meetings.   He  expressed appreciation  for the                                                               
importance of air travel in the state.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
KAREN HUGGARD,  Vice President, Government Affairs,  National Air                                                               
Transportation Association, responded that  she is not a resident                                                               
of Alaska.  She stated that  recently she visited Alaska and took                                                               
a   tour   of  its   avgas   infrastructure   with  the   state's                                                               
stakeholders.  She stated that  EAGLE is advocating for Alaska by                                                               
helping protect its  avgas fuel supply until there  is a suitable                                                               
replacement.     She  expressed   support  for   Alaska's  unique                                                               
situation  concerning its  fuel needs.   She  added that  she has                                                               
worked with the Alaska Congressional  Delegation in Washington on                                                               
legislation that  would retain 100LL  fuel in Alaska  until 2032.                                                               
She  noted that  Alaska's supply  of avgas  comes from  Richmond,                                                               
California,  and EAGLE  has been  working to  keep this  refinery                                                               
open.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. CASTAGNA, in response to  a question from Representative Mina                                                               
on  the incentives  for developing  viable unleaded  fuel, stated                                                               
that currently  there are  two commercial  distributors providing                                                               
lead-free aircraft fuel.  He  stated that GAMI provides this fuel                                                               
in California, but  FAA has not approved it for  helicopters.  He                                                               
noted aircraft  maintenance concerns  have resulted from  the use                                                               
of GAMI  fuel.  He stated  that Swift Fuels distribute  the other                                                               
new   lead-free  aircraft   fuel,   UL94.     He  expressed   the                                                               
understanding that this fuel would  work for around 80 percent of                                                               
the aircraft fleet  in Alaska; however, the  remaining 20 percent                                                               
of the  fleet uses high-octane  fuel.   He pointed out  that this                                                               
high-octane fuel is  used in most of the  aircraft nationally, so                                                               
this creates a challenge.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. CASTAGNA  expressed the understanding that  critical services                                                               
in Alaska rely on this high-octane  fuel, so a transition to UL94                                                               
avgas  would  greatly  affect the  state.    Concerning  possible                                                               
incentives, he expressed the opinion  that if UL94 were tested on                                                               
the  80  percent  of  Alaska's   fleet  that  could  utilize  it,                                                               
incentives could  be provided; however,  he continued that  he is                                                               
not advocating  that Alaska  do this.   He recommended  that this                                                               
testing  be  done  in California  where  the  incentives  already                                                               
exist.  He expressed the  understanding that UL94 users are "very                                                               
happy with  the fuel," as  removing lead from fuel  has benefits.                                                               
He noted  the federal government  is considering tax  credits for                                                               
the use of this fuel before the 2030 date.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. HUGGARD added that significant  investments are being made to                                                               
test  the unleaded  fuels in  a  methodical manner,  and this  is                                                               
being done to  understand their viability.  She  noted that EAGLE                                                               
would be  advocating for a  smooth transition to  lead-free fuel,                                                               
especially concerning the price point.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MINA  questioned the testing  of GAMI and  UL94 in                                                               
subzero temperatures.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CASTAGNA,  in  response,  pointed   out  the  Piston  Engine                                                               
Aviation   Fuels   Initiative   (PAFI)  and   Supplemental   Type                                                               
Certificates  (STC) tests.   He  stated that  all fuels  would go                                                               
through   these  tests,   which   include   tests  for   freezing                                                               
temperatures.   He stated that  the results would  be proprietary                                                               
information  between  fuel  developers  and  FAA,  so  the  tests                                                               
results are unknown.  He pointed  to slide 7, which addressed the                                                               
two paths for  fuel approval.  He noted that  both GAMI and Swift                                                               
Fuels are pursuing FAA and  STC approval for high-octane unleaded                                                               
fuel.   He stated that they  are also going through  the American                                                               
Society for  Testing and Materials (ASTM)  International process,                                                               
which  would address  temperature and  compatibility all  the way                                                               
through the supply chain.  He  stressed the importance of this in                                                               
Alaska  because  of  its  unique  environment  and  supply  chain                                                               
restrictions.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:15:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  EISCHEID opined  that because  the lead  additive comes                                                               
from  England, a  trade  war  could increase  the  fuel costs  of                                                               
100LL.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. CASTAGNA  stated that the  possibility of tariffs has  been a                                                               
concern.  He  stated that EAGLE has had talks  with Innospec, the                                                               
company  in  England  that  provides  this  fuel  additive.    He                                                               
expressed the understanding  that Innospec is in  support of this                                                               
effort;  however,  it has  made  the  business decision  to  stop                                                               
producing   its   product.     He   reiterated   that  both   the                                                               
environmental  and business  components would  motivate the  fuel                                                               
transition.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. CASTAGNA moved  to slide 8 and discussed the  STC process for                                                               
evaluating  fuels.   He  reiterated that  this  is a  proprietary                                                               
process between  the FAA  and applicant,  as the  applicant would                                                               
have the  control of the  visibility of the evaluations  and fuel                                                               
specifications.  He expressed the  importance of this because the                                                               
fuel industry would  be involved in this review.   He stated that                                                               
FAA would not be testing fuel;  rather it would be validating the                                                               
tests in  the STC process.   He continued that the  ASTM standard                                                               
would provide  the transparency  in the supply  chain.   He noted                                                               
that  more details  on fuel  testing  could be  found on  EAGLE's                                                               
website.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CASTAGNA,  in response  to  a  question from  Representative                                                               
Mina, stated that  STC would work as  an FAA-endorsed certificate                                                               
for aircraft modifications.   He stated that  PAFI represents all                                                               
industry stakeholders, including  aircraft manufacturers and fuel                                                               
companies.   He  explained that  ASTM International  develops and                                                               
publishes voluntary consensus standards.   Concerning a lead-free                                                               
100LL  product,  he  noted  there  are  around  600  tests  being                                                               
evaluated.   He  noted  that  Swift is  going  through this  peer                                                               
review  process,  while  GAMI  is not;  however,  GAMI  would  be                                                               
reviewing Swift's  fuel in the  peer review process.   He further                                                               
described  the  production  and marketing  of  fuels  after  this                                                               
process.   In response  to a follow-up  question, he  stated that                                                               
having  the ASTM  standard would  not be  required to  market the                                                               
product.    He added  that  ASTM  has  become the  standard  only                                                               
because all the  refinement and marketing networks use  this.  He                                                               
noted  that Swift  is  going  through the  ASTM  process and  the                                                               
parallel process  of having their  engines approved, and  this is                                                               
so FAA could  certify the fuel.  He stated  that the PAFI program                                                               
works in  parallel with ASTM  International.  He  reiterated that                                                               
the  ASTM  standard  is  not   legally  required;  however,  most                                                               
airports will not sell a non-ASTM approved fuel.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. HUGGARD clarified  that ASTM is a peer  review process, where                                                               
the applicant must  submit its methodologies and data  to a panel                                                               
overseeing standards.  She added  that the panel would consist of                                                               
industry representatives  who understand the data.   She asserted                                                               
that  this would  create confidence,  as it  creates a  voluntary                                                               
standard that  ensures best practices  and best production.   She                                                               
expressed the  understanding that all  fuels sold in  the country                                                               
would have an ASTM standard.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CASTAGNA,  in response  to  a  question from  Representative                                                               
Mina,  explained  that  because  ASTM is  an  industry  consensus                                                               
standard, FAA  would not  engage with  this.   While GAMI  is not                                                               
pursuing  an ASTM  standard, he  indicated that  FAA would  still                                                               
need to  validate GAMI's data  in STC; however, the  industry and                                                               
the consumer would be the ones  deciding whether to buy the fuel.                                                               
He stated  that there  has been consumer  confidence in  the ASTM                                                               
standard  for the  past 50  years.   He stated  that FAA  has the                                                               
discretion to require ASTM, but it has not.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HUGGARD added  that the  most recent  FAA legislation  has a                                                               
requirement  for  an industry  standard  if  a federal  grant  is                                                               
involved.  She expressed the understanding  that if a fuel with a                                                               
grant does  not have a  standard consensus evaluation,  it cannot                                                               
be sold in airports.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:28:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. CASTAGNA moved to slide 10,  which displayed a graphic of the                                                               
national  supply chain  for fuel  distribution.   He stated  that                                                               
there  are 15  distributors in  the Lower  48, with  3,500 fixed-                                                               
based operators  selling the fuel.   He continued that  there are                                                               
around 460,000 pilots, with 230,000  aircraft using the fuel, and                                                               
300,000 mechanics managing  this fleet.  Along the  bottom of the                                                               
slide,  he   noted  the   flow  of   fuel  from   the  producers,                                                               
distributors,  and  fixed-based  operators   to  the  owners  and                                                               
operators.   In this process,  he explained that STC  fuels would                                                               
become approved with  the mechanics, as they are  the ones making                                                               
the entries into the aircraft maintenance logbooks.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE  opined that requiring STC  could become an                                                               
expense in rural Alaska.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CASTAGNA  pointed   out  that  if  a   fuel  has  fleet-wide                                                               
authorization   in  the   PAFI  program,   this  will   give  FAA                                                               
authorization, and an STC authorization would not be required.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HUGGARD  expressed the  understanding  that  Swift Fuels  is                                                               
considering this process.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CASTAGNA,   in  response  to   a  follow-up   question  from                                                               
Representative McCabe, stated that  through the PAFI process, the                                                               
fleet would be approved.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:33:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. CASTAGNA moved  to slide 11 and pointed out  the graph on the                                                               
volume of  fuel sales in  the country.   He stated that  in 2023,                                                               
there were 176 million gallons of  avgas sold in the country.  He                                                               
noted the top  five states that sell high volumes  of avgas, with                                                               
Alaska  listed  as  the  fourth   highest  seller.    He  made  a                                                               
comparison,  stating that  for every  four hours  on the  freeway                                                               
system in  the Lower 48, more  than 176 gallons of  fuel would be                                                               
burned.  Concerning this volume of  fuel, he pointed out that the                                                               
decision-making  process  would  be complex  for  refineries  and                                                               
businesses.   He  moved  to  slide 12,  which  mapped  out the  7                                                               
refineries in the  Lower 48 that make 100LL.   He pointed out the                                                               
terminals in  the country distributing the  fuel, including those                                                               
in  Alaska.   He stated  that these  terminals in  Alaska receive                                                               
fuel on  barges from  the refinery in  Richmond, California.   He                                                               
stated that slide  13 shows the fuel sales  and distribution once                                                               
it reaches  Alaska.   On slide  14, he  pointed out  the national                                                               
supply  chain  infrastructure  and  deployment  in  Alaska,  with                                                               
Alaska being  one of the top  10 states for buying  avgas volume.                                                               
The  map shows  where the  refineries are  in relation  to volume                                                               
consumption.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CASTAGNA  stated that  it  is  important  to note  that  the                                                               
refinery in Richmond, California,  has an old distillation tower.                                                               
Because  of  this,  he  explained  that  the  refinery  would  be                                                               
incapable  of producing  the high-quality  base required  for the                                                               
unleaded fuel for GAMI and Swift.   On slide 14, he noted the map                                                               
of the  country marked  with the refineries  and the  states with                                                               
the highest 100LL fuel consumption.   On the next slide, he broke                                                               
down  how  Alaska  compares  to  the  rest  of  the  country  for                                                               
producers and  distributors.  He  noted that Alaska has  around 3                                                               
distributors, with  68 fixed-based operators selling  avgas fuel.                                                               
He  continued  that the  state  has  around 6,400  pilots,  8,100                                                               
aircraft, and  3,300 mechanics who  manage this fleet.   He noted                                                               
that per  population, this  is the highest  number of  pilots and                                                               
aircraft in the country.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HUGGARD  added  that  Alaska  has  the  highest  per  capita                                                               
consumption of avgas in the country.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CASTAGNA,   in  conclusion,  pointed  out   EAGLE's  contact                                                               
information on  the last  slide.  He  expressed the  opinion that                                                               
Alaska's  supply of  100LL  would need  protecting  until a  safe                                                               
transition  to unleaded  fuel  could  be made.    He advised  the                                                               
committee  that  the movement  to  ban  100LL  would need  to  be                                                               
monitored  by  the  state.    He  said,  "Your  voice  is  really                                                               
important to be heard, and it needs to be heard."                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:38:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MINA questioned  the  20 percent  of aircraft  in                                                               
Alaska that Swift fuel would not be compatible with.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. CASTAGNA  clarified that  Swift has  two products,  with UL94                                                               
working for around 80 percent of  the fleet.  He stated that 100R                                                               
is Swift's  other product, and the  intention would be for  it to                                                               
reach the goal needed for the  remaining 20 percent of the fleet.                                                               
He pointed  out that  this fuel  is being tested  now.   He noted                                                               
that this would  still not work for a few  aircraft engines, with                                                               
some of these being in Alaska.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MINA expressed  appreciation for  the information                                                               
presented.  She  expressed the understanding that  leaded fuel is                                                               
"bad,"  yet there  would  be  a high  cost  to  transition.   She                                                               
questioned  the  biggest  barrier   for  Alaska's  transition  to                                                               
unleaded avgas.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. CASTAGNA responded that barriers  would include the cost, the                                                               
bureaucracy, and the  safety of alternative fuels.   He discussed                                                               
the difficulties with the supply chain  in the state, as the fuel                                                               
would need  to be barged  and then transported in  barrels, which                                                               
would complicate  the testing.   He noted the discussions  he has                                                               
had  with  Everts Air  in  Alaska,  and  the potential  for  this                                                               
company to do the testing.   He encouraged a discussion with fuel                                                               
suppliers, as this transition must be done safely.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MERRICK thanked the presenters, and she made closing                                                                   
comments.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:45:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Transportation Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 2:45                                                                 
p.m.                                                                                                                            

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