02/01/2018 03:00 PM House STATE AFFAIRS
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
             HOUSE STATE AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                           
                        February 1, 2018                                                                                        
                           3:09 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Jonathan Kreiss-Tomkins, Chair                                                                                   
Representative Gabrielle LeDoux, Vice Chair                                                                                     
Representative Chris Tuck                                                                                                       
Representative Adam Wool                                                                                                        
Representative Chris Birch                                                                                                      
Representative DeLena Johnson                                                                                                   
Representative Gary Knopp                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Andy Josephson (alternate)                                                                                       
Representative Chuck Kopp (alternate)                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 293                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to powers of the Alaska Police Standards                                                                       
Council;  and  relating  to background  checks  for  admission  to                                                              
police training programs and certification  as a police officer."                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 29                                                                                                   
Urging the United States Congress to reauthorize the Secure                                                                     
Rural Schools and Communities Self-Determination Act of 2000.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSHJR 29(STA) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 293                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR POLICE & TRAINING                                                                            
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
01/19/18       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/19/18       (H)       STA, JUD                                                                                               
01/30/18       (H)       STA AT 3:00 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
01/30/18       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
01/30/18       (H)       MINUTE(STA)                                                                                            
02/01/18       (H)       STA AT 3:00 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HJR 29                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: REAUTHORIZE SECURE RURAL SCHOOLS ACT                                                                               
SPONSOR(s): RAUSCHER                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
01/19/18       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/19/18       (H)       STA, JUD, FIN                                                                                          
01/30/18       (H)       STA AT 3:00 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
01/30/18       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
01/30/18       (H)       MINUTE(STA)                                                                                            
02/01/18       (H)       STA AT 3:00 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT GRIFFITHS, Executive Director                                                                                            
Alaska Police Standards Council (APSC)                                                                                          
Department of Public Safety (DPS)                                                                                               
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified during the hearing on HB 293 and                                                               
presented his written responses to questions from the 1/30/18                                                                   
committee hearing.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DARRELL BREESE, Staff                                                                                                           
Representative George Rauscher                                                                                                  
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions during the hearing on                                                                 
HJR 29 on behalf of Representative Rauscher, prime sponsor.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CLAY KOPLIN, Mayor                                                                                                              
City of Cordova                                                                                                                 
Cordova, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HJR 29.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
KATHIE WASSERMAN, Executive Director                                                                                            
Alaska Municipal League (AML)                                                                                                   
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HJR 29.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MARY WEGNER, PhD, Superintendent                                                                                                
Sitka Public Schools                                                                                                            
Sitka, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HJR 29.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
WILLIAM MCKILLICAN, Chief                                                                                                       
Hoonah Police Department (HPD)                                                                                                  
City of Hoonah                                                                                                                  
Hoonah, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 293.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:09:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  JONATHAN  KREISS-TOMKINS  called the  House  State  Affairs                                                            
Standing    Committee   meeting    to   order    at   3:09    p.m.                                                              
Representatives  Tuck, Wool,  Birch,  Johnson, and  Kreiss-Tomkins                                                              
were present  at the  call to order.   Representatives  LeDoux and                                                              
Knopp arrived as the meeting was in progress.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
         HB 293-BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR POLICE & TRAINING                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
3:10:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS  announced that  the first order  of business                                                              
would be  HOUSE BILL NO.  293, "An Act  relating to powers  of the                                                              
Alaska  Police  Standards  Council;  and  relating  to  background                                                              
checks   for   admission   to   police   training   programs   and                                                              
certification as a police officer."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:11:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT  GRIFFITHS,  Executive Director,  Alaska  Police  Standards                                                              
Council (APSC),  Department of Public  Safety (DPS), on  behalf of                                                              
the House  Rules Committee, sponsor  of HB 293, offered  responses                                                              
to  questions  posed  during  the   1/30/18  House  State  Affairs                                                              
Standing Committee  meeting.   He referred  to his 1/31/18  letter                                                              
to  the  chair and  pointed  out  a chart  and  associated  graph,                                                              
entitled  "Alaska  Police  Officers  Per  Agency as  of  July  1,"                                                              
demonstrating  the  trends  in  the  numbers  of  law  enforcement                                                              
officers [from  2013 through 2017].   He mentioned that  while the                                                              
number  of  law  enforcement  officers   increased  overall,  that                                                              
increase was  almost exclusively due  to the increase in  the size                                                              
of  the  Anchorage  Police  Department (APD).    He  offered  that                                                              
removing APD from the numbers reveals a loss of 42 officers.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRIFFITHS  referred to  the question  regarding the  number of                                                              
village police officers  (VPOs) in Alaska and responded  that APSC                                                              
has record  of 11  VPOs; the APSC  knows there  are many  more who                                                              
are  not  reported  to  the  council;  and  presumably  background                                                              
checks are not performed for those officers.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRIFFITHS referred  to the third question from  the committee:                                                              
"Could  a  statutory  change  empower   a  municipality  with  the                                                              
authority  to send  fingerprints directly  to DPS  for a  criminal                                                              
history background  check?"   He stated that  under Title  29, the                                                              
municipalities  already have  that authority;  however, the  issue                                                              
is whether  they have the resources  to comply with  state statute                                                              
for  obtaining access  to the  information.   He  pointed out  the                                                              
required steps on  page 2 of the letter, under paragraph  (3).  He                                                              
relayed that  for a small town,  the task is daunting  and costly.                                                              
He maintained that  the proposal under HB 293 is  to allow APSC to                                                              
facilitate  the  fingerprint-based  background  checks  for  these                                                              
agencies.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:14:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 3:14 p.m. to 3:16 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:15:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  KREISS-TOMKINS  indicated   that  the  committee  would  be                                                              
provided with  Mr. Griffiths's  letter and  announced that  HB 293                                                              
will be set aside.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
[HB  293 was  brought  before the  committee  again following  the                                                              
hearing on HJR 29.]                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
          HJR 29-REAUTHORIZE SECURE RURAL SCHOOLS ACT                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
3:16:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS  announced  that the  next order of  business                                                              
would be HOUSE  JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 29, Urging  the United States                                                              
Congress to reauthorize  the Secure Rural Schools  and Communities                                                              
Self-Determination Act of 2000.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:16:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DARRELL  BREESE,  Staff, Representative  George  Rauscher,  Alaska                                                              
State  Legislature, on  behalf of  Representative Rauscher,  prime                                                              
sponsor of  HJR 29, directed  the committee members'  attention to                                                              
the  letters  of  support  from  the  communities  that  would  be                                                              
impacted by HJR 29, included in the committee packet,                                                                           
3:17:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS opened public testimony on HJR 29.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:17:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CLAY KOPLIN,  Mayor, City of Cordova,  testified that the  City of                                                              
Cordova is  surrounded by  the beautiful  Chugach National  Forest                                                              
(CNF).    He  said that  while  the  forest  provides  world-class                                                              
subsistence  and  recreational opportunities  for  Cordova,  there                                                              
are very limited  economic opportunities.  He maintained  that the                                                              
community of  Cordova invests heavily  in its educational  system,                                                              
which is  nationally recognized  at both  the elementary  and high                                                              
school levels;  Cordova has funded  its schools at the  cap [state                                                              
limit  on local  contribution to  school funding]  for many  years                                                              
until last year.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. KOPLIN relayed  that as Cordova struggles to  "make ends meet"                                                              
and to  accommodate opportunities  for business and  new fisheries                                                              
by  expanding  the  harbor  and  providing  land  and  waterfront,                                                              
school funding  has never been  more important for  the community,                                                              
and the [Secure  Rural Schools (SRS)] Program has  never been more                                                              
important.    He  expressed  his  appreciation  for  the  proposed                                                              
resolution.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:19:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATHIE  WASSERMAN,  Executive Director,  Alaska  Municipal  League                                                              
(AML),  testified that  in her  15 years  with AML,  she has  been                                                              
actively  working  on  timber  receipt  for  secure  rural  school                                                              
funding.    She  expressed  her   appreciation  for  the  proposed                                                              
resolution  and  stated that  she  has encouraged  legislators  to                                                              
advocate for this  issue for many years, knowing  that the funding                                                              
would someday "dry  up."  She relayed that Southeast  Alaska alone                                                              
has experienced a  loss of almost $75 million per  year because of                                                              
timber  receipts and  [stumpage]  fees; for  the CNF  the loss  is                                                              
over $2  million per year.   These payments mostly  contributed to                                                              
secure funding for  rural schools.  She reported  that the [Secure                                                              
Rural  Schools and  Communities  Self-Determination  Act of  2000]                                                              
has been  expired for  two years;  she has encouraged  legislators                                                              
to realize  that the  expiration  would be imminent;  and  now the                                                              
act needs  to be reauthorized.   She  emphasized that  more effort                                                              
is  needed to  advocate to  Congress  and urged  the committee  to                                                              
move the resolution out of committee.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:22:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARY   WEGNER,   PhD,  Superintendent,   Sitka   Public   Schools,                                                              
paraphrased  from her  written statement,  which  read as  follows                                                              
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     My   name   is  Dr.   Mary   Wegner,   and  I   am   the                                                                   
     superintendent  of  the  Sitka  School  District.  I  am                                                                   
     testifying  today  in  support of  HJR  29,  Reauthorize                                                                   
     Secure Rural Schools Act.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Thank you  for your  consideration of advancing  support                                                                   
     for  the reauthorization  of  the Secure  Rural  Schools                                                                   
     and  Community Self-Determination  Act  of 2000.  Secure                                                                   
     Rural  Schools funding  is critically  important to  the                                                                   
     Sitka  School District,  as  well as  many other  school                                                                   
     districts  around  Alaska.  The  Sitka  School  District                                                                   
     resides in the  Sitka Borough of which 95%  is comprised                                                                   
     of  Tongass   National  Forest.   Around  Alaska   local                                                                   
     municipalities  have  a  limited   ability  to  generate                                                                   
     local tax  revenue to support  schools and roads  due to                                                                   
     the  surrounding national  forests, which  is why it  is                                                                   
     so   imperative    that   this   act    is   immediately                                                                   
     reauthorized  and  funded.  The  loss  of  Secure  Rural                                                                   
     Schools  funding  places  an  onerous  burden  upon  our                                                                   
     local citizenry,  and federal assistance  is appropriate                                                                   
     compensation for the surrounding federal land.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     In your  advocacy on  behalf of  the reauthorization  of                                                                   
     Secure   Rural   Schools,   please  seek   a   long-term                                                                   
     reauthorization  of the  legislation, as  failure to  do                                                                   
     so  has  the  potential to  wreak  long-term  damage  on                                                                   
     public  education in  Sitka  and in  communities  across                                                                   
     the  state and nation.  The limits  imposed by  national                                                                   
     forests  are   a  reality  every  year,  which   is  why                                                                   
     authorization is  critical every year. This  issue is so                                                                   
     pressing  to us in  Sitka that on  February 6,  2018 the                                                                   
     Sitka  School Board  passed a resolution  in support  of                                                                   
     HJR 29.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Having  Secure  Rural  Schools   funding  as  a  revenue                                                                   
     source  in  the  Sitka  School  District's  FY19  budget                                                                   
     would greatly  help to save  teacher jobs. Providing  an                                                                   
     excellent   education  to   every   student  every   day                                                                   
     requires  quality teachers  combined  with a  culturally                                                                   
     responsive    learning   environment    with    targeted                                                                   
     instruction  to  meet a  student's  individual  learning                                                                   
     needs.  All  of  which  helps   us  to  live  the  three                                                                   
     commitments of  Alaska's Education Challenge,  which are                                                                   
     increasing  student  success,   cultivating  safety  and                                                                   
     well-being,  and supporting  responsible and  reflective                                                                   
     learners. In  Sitka we are facing a budget  deficit that                                                                   
      is 12% of our total general fund budget, and we need                                                                      
     this federal funding to keep our talented teachers.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Thank  you for taking  my testimony,  and thank you  for                                                                   
     your commitment  to public  education in Alaska.  I hope                                                                   
     you  will urge  the  U.S.  Congress to  reauthorize  the                                                                   
     Secure Rural Schools Act.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:25:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS closed public testimony on HJR 29.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:25:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WOOL  asked how the amounts of  the payments [shown                                                              
in  the  documents  included in  the  committee  packet,  entitled                                                              
"FFY16  SRS/NFR  Payments  Final  (SFY  17)"  and  "FFY17  SRS/NFR                                                              
Payments (SFY18)"] were calculated.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. BREEZE  replied that the amounts  were based on  the potential                                                              
impact  to  the  population  and   loss  of  economic  development                                                              
opportunity  because  of  being  surrounded  by  national  forest;                                                              
Anchorage  has room  to expand,  but  a community  such as  Sitka,                                                              
surrounded  totally by  the Tongass  National  Forest (TNF),  does                                                              
not have  the opportunity for  economic growth through  expansion.                                                              
He explained  that the  calculations are  complex and  result from                                                              
"a  lot  of moving  parts  and  levers"  in  the Act;  the  school                                                              
district population is a consideration as well.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:27:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   LEDOUX  asked   for  information  regarding   the                                                              
politics  behind  failing to  reauthorize  the Act;  she  inquired                                                              
whether  a bill  was introduced  [in Congress]  to reauthorize  it                                                              
and if so, the outcome of that bill.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BREEZE answered  that  a bill  was  introduced  prior to  the                                                              
115th U.S.  Congress [H.R.  2340 and S.  1027, copies  included in                                                              
the committee packet].   He maintained that the reason  it did not                                                              
pass and  the politics behind  its failure  to pass is  a question                                                              
for Congress.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX stated that  it expired  in 2015  and asked                                                              
whether there  was a bill  [for reauthorization]  introduced prior                                                              
to the expiration date.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. BREEZE replied, "There was."                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX asked, "Do you know who introduced it?"                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BREEZE responded that he would provide that information.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:28:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WOOL  moved to  adopt  Amendment  1, [labeled  30-                                                              
LS1116\A.1, Glover, 1/31/18], which read:                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, line 25, following "United States;":                                                                               
          Insert "the Honorable Sonny Perdue, United States                                                                     
     Secretary of Agriculture;"                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:28:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease at 3:29 p.m.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:29:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  KREISS-TOMKINS relayed  that  Amendment  1 recognizes  that                                                              
the presiding  agency for  the U.S. Forest  Service (USFS)  is the                                                              
U.S. Department of  Agriculture (USDA); the secretary  of the USDA                                                              
will be added to the list of recipients of the resolution.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:30:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS  objected to  the proposed amendment  for the                                                              
purpose of discussion.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHNSON asked whether  HJR 29,  if amended  by the                                                              
House State Affairs  Standing Committee, would be  the committee's                                                              
resolution or remain Representative Rauscher's resolution.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  KREISS-TOMKINS  confirmed  that  with  the  amendment,  the                                                              
resolution would remain Representative Rauscher's resolution.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BREEZE  clarified that  in that  circumstance, the  resolution                                                              
would  become a  committee substitute  (CS) for  HJR 29;  however,                                                              
the   resolution   would  still   be   Representative   Rauscher's                                                              
resolution.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX explained  that when a  bill is  amended in                                                              
committee, the result  is a CS, but the sponsor  remains the same.                                                              
She said  that a bill  does not become  a "committee  bill" unless                                                              
introduced  by  the  committee.    She  concluded  by  saying  the                                                              
[amended  resolution]   would  still  be  read  as   sponsored  by                                                              
Representative  Rauscher,  and not  be read  as  sponsored by  the                                                              
House State Affairs Standing Committee.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:31:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER stated that he supports Amendment 1.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  KREISS-TOMKINS  removed   his  objection.  There  being  no                                                              
further objection, Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:32:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BIRCH opined that HJR 29 is a good [resolution}.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:32:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  moved to report HJR 29, as  amended, out of                                                              
committee  with individual  recommendations  and the  accompanying                                                              
zero fiscal  note.   There being no  objection, CSHJR  29(STA) was                                                              
reported from the House State Affairs Standing Committee.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
         HB 293-BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR POLICE & TRAINING                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
3:33:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  KREISS-TOMKINS  announced   that  as  the  final  order  of                                                              
business,  the committee  would once  again consider  HB 293,  "An                                                              
Act relating  to powers  of the  Alaska Police Standards  Council;                                                              
and  relating  to  background  checks   for  admission  to  police                                                              
training programs and certification as a police officer."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:33:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BIRCH, referring  to the  1/31/18 letter  from Mr.                                                              
Griffiths, included  in the committee packet, thanked  him for his                                                              
complete and thorough responses to the questions.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:34:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KNOPP asked  for  clarification  on what  services                                                              
APSC provides.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:34:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GRIFFITHS   explained  that  APSC:     facilitates  training;                                                              
regulates  training;   sets  standards  for   training;  certifies                                                              
trainers;  and certifies  training programs.   He  said that  when                                                              
funding allows,  APSC either sponsors training events  or provides                                                              
funds  for  officers  to  attend.    He  relayed  that  APSC  sets                                                              
standards,   pursuant   to   the   statutes,   for   the   minimum                                                              
qualifications   for  police   officers,  correctional   officers,                                                              
municipal   correctional  officers;   and  probation   and  parole                                                              
officers.   He  maintained that  all these  groups have  standards                                                              
based on APSC requirements.   In every one of those  categories of                                                              
officers, the applicant  must pass a fingerprint-based  background                                                              
check to verify  identity and to ensure there  is no disqualifying                                                              
criminal  convictions on  his/her  record.   He  added that  those                                                              
disqualifiers   are  in   regulation;   for   example,  a   felony                                                              
conviction  in  the  past  ten   years  would  preclude  one  from                                                              
certification.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KNOPP  asked  Mr.  Griffiths  to  comment  on  his                                                              
reference to APSC's involvement with trainee recruitment.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRIFFITHS  responded  that APSC supports  recruitment  of VPOs                                                              
and  all police  officers as  part of  its mission:   all  officer                                                              
vacancies are routinely  posted on its website;  APSC staff assist                                                              
with out-of-state  inquiries for  those positions; and  APSC tries                                                              
to educate  the officials of  small communities about  the process                                                              
of recruiting and vetting officer candidates.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   KNOPP  asked   whether  HB   293  would   mandate                                                              
fingerprint and background checks for officer candidates.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRIFFITHS  responded that  APSC currently regards  fingerprint                                                              
background  checks   of  officer  candidates  to   be  a  mandate;                                                              
however,  there is  lack of compliance  with  the regulation.   He                                                              
said that  under HB 293, the  requirement for a  fingerprint-based                                                              
background  check for  certification  would be  in statute  rather                                                              
than regulation; it  would be a mandate, but "no  more real effect                                                              
than we currently have."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:39:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KNOPP suggested  that for  a community with  VPOs,                                                              
under the  proposed legislation, if  it chooses not  to background                                                              
check officers, it could be left with no officers at all.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GRIFFITHS  opined  that the  possibility  of  that  happening                                                              
would be no  greater under the proposed legislation;  villages are                                                              
routinely  recruiting,  hiring,  and  retaining  officers  without                                                              
certifying  them and  without notifying  APSC; it  is a risk  they                                                              
have chosen to take.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:40:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS opened public testimony on HB 293.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:41:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WILLIAM  MCKILLICAN,  Chief  of  Police  and  Director  of  Public                                                              
Safety,  City of  Hoonah,  testified  that he  has  been a  police                                                              
officer  for  17 years  in  various  positions  and all  over  the                                                              
state.    He   stated  that  the  APSC  has   set,  produced,  and                                                              
maintained  the highest  achievable standards  of performance  for                                                              
the  state's  law   enforcement  professionals.     It  determines                                                              
certification  and  training  eligibilities   and  in  some  cases                                                              
revokes  certifications  because  of  misconduct.    It  develops,                                                              
monitors,  and  revises  training and  training  requirements  and                                                              
continually  monitors  compliance   with  current  regulation  and                                                              
legislation.   He  said  that APSC  has  assisted agencies  across                                                              
Alaska    with    obtaining    pre-employment    polygraphs    and                                                              
psychological  testing  for  officer  candidates;  it  has  funded                                                              
specialized  and advanced  training  for departments;  and it  has                                                              
assisted  academies and  departments  with funding  to meet  basic                                                              
training requirements.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MCKILLICAN  continued  by  saying that  in  Hoonah,  a  rural                                                              
community  off  the  road  system with  just  over  800  permanent                                                              
residents,  there is  not an  officer employed,  past or  present,                                                              
who has  not benefited  in  some way from  what APSC  offers.   He                                                              
said that  more importantly,  it is the  state's citizens  who see                                                              
the most benefit  of producing some of the finest  law enforcement                                                              
professionals in the nation.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MCKILLICAN stated  that the  state's  budget shortfalls  have                                                              
had a  grave impact  on the  small communities  of Alaska;  he has                                                              
seen local  funding resources  dwindle to the  point where  he has                                                              
been  forced  to reduce  staffing  and  service levels;  and  just                                                              
being able  to maintain the  department's necessary  equipment and                                                              
vehicles has  been a leadership  challenge.  He offered  that with                                                              
these challenges,  there has been no reduction  in state standards                                                              
and requirements for  the law enforcement agencies.   Like all law                                                              
enforcement  agencies,  the  Hoonah Department  of  Public  Safety                                                              
(DPS)  is required  to maintain  access to and  clearance  for the                                                              
Alaska  Public   Safety  Information   Network  (APSIN)   and  the                                                              
National   Criminal   Information    Center   (NCIC)   to   access                                                              
information such  as criminal history, driving history,  wants and                                                              
warrants,  and  to submit  fingerprints  for  prospective  officer                                                              
background  checks.   He  maintained  that these  systems  provide                                                              
critical  information  to  assist in  investigations,  alerts  for                                                              
dangerous  weather in the  field, and  information for  background                                                              
checks on potential officers.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:44:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MCKILLICAN  relayed that  for  agencies  in medium  or  large                                                              
cities  and   communities,   these  tasks   do  not  present   the                                                              
challenges that  they present for  small communities  like Hoonah.                                                              
He   said  that   annual   fees,  computers,   software,   network                                                              
connectivity,   monthly  reporting   requirements,  and   internet                                                              
connections  force him to  make decisions  that increase  risk and                                                              
liability.   Because  of  reduced  staffing levels  and  retention                                                              
challenges,  maintaining   these  systems   in  Hoonah   has  been                                                              
difficult;  sending   staff  out  of  town  to   fulfill  training                                                              
requirements to  assume terminal  agency coordinator  (TAC) duties                                                              
and responsibilities  is  an additional,  burdensome expense.   He                                                              
reported that  last year the Hoonah  DPS experienced the  loss not                                                              
only of  its TAC,  but its APSIN  coordinator as  well.   For many                                                              
years the  experience and  knowledge of  the coordinator  kept the                                                              
system running,  and for  the past 12  months, the department  has                                                              
struggled  to  replace   the  [TAC]  and  provide   the  necessary                                                              
training for staff to maintain the APSIN and NCIC standards.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MCKILLICAN  relayed that  APSC provides  standards on  vetting                                                              
potential officer  hires and  recruits who pay  their own  ways to                                                              
the academies.   He stated  that he believes  that APSC  should be                                                              
granted access  to APSIN  and NCIC  systems to conduct  background                                                              
checks  and  to  ensure  the  state  maintains  the  highest,  yet                                                              
achievable, standards.   The  ability for agencies  to be  able to                                                              
rely  on APSC  for  assistance for  these  functions  would be  an                                                              
enormous benefit to  agencies like Hoonah.  He said  that as chief                                                              
of  police  in  a  rural  community,   he  strongly  supports  the                                                              
legislation; it  would allow APSC  to provide critical  support to                                                              
rural  justice  initiatives  and   the  governor's  public  safety                                                              
action plan.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:47:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BIRCH  referred  to  the chart  from  the  1/31/18                                                              
letter  and  asked  for  confirmation  that  Hoonah  has  an  APSC                                                              
certified staff of four down from the 2015 level of five.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. MCKILLICAN said, "That is correct."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   BIRCH  asked  whether   Hoonah  could   take  and                                                              
transfer fingerprints using an iPhone.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.   MCKILLICAN   answered   that   his   department   can   take                                                              
fingerprints currently;  it has always met the  standard put forth                                                              
by the  state and by  APSC.  He  said that his greatest  challenge                                                              
at this  point is  the choice  he must  make for  the next  hire -                                                              
whether to  meet the requirements  under the proposed  legislation                                                              
or to  have the department  take on the  liability and  not report                                                              
to APSC.   He maintained  that the latter  is the last  thing that                                                              
he wants to do.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:49:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS closed public testimony on HB 293.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS announced HB 293 would be held over.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:50:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being  no further business  before the committee,  the House                                                              
State Affairs  Standing Committee  meeting  was adjourned  at 3:50                                                              
p.m.