02/18/2014 08:00 AM House STATE AFFAIRS
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| HB212 | |
| HB273 | |
| Adjourn |
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| + | HB 212 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| *+ | HB 273 | TELECONFERENCED | |
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ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE
HOUSE STATE AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE
February 18, 2014
8:04 a.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT
Representative Bob Lynn, Chair
Representative Wes Keller, Vice Chair
Representative Lynn Gattis
Representative Shelley Hughes
Representative Doug Isaacson
Representative Jonathan Kreiss-Tomkins
MEMBERS ABSENT
Representative Charisse Millett
COMMITTEE CALENDAR
HOUSE BILL NO. 199
"An Act relating to Department of Public Safety regulations
allowing village public safety officers to carry firearms."
- MOVED HB 199 OUT OF COMMITTEE
HOUSE BILL NO. 212
"An Act relating to an exemption from driver licensing
requirements for spouses of members of the armed forces of the
United States."
- MOVED HB 212 OUT OF COMMITTEE
HOUSE BILL NO. 273
"An Act extending the termination date of the Council on
Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault; and providing for an
effective date."
- MOVED HB 273 OUT OF COMMITTEE
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION
BILL: HB 199
SHORT TITLE: VPSO FIREARMS
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) EDGMON
04/04/13 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
04/04/13 (H) CRA, STA
01/28/14 (H) CRA AT 8:00 AM BARNES 124
01/28/14 (H) Heard & Held
01/28/14 (H) MINUTE(CRA)
02/04/14 (H) CRA AT 8:00 AM BARNES 124
02/04/14 (H) Moved Out of Committee
02/04/14 (H) MINUTE(CRA)
02/05/14 (H) CRA RPT 5DP 1NR
02/05/14 (H) DP: REINBOLD, FOSTER, HERRON, LEDOUX,
NAGEAK
02/05/14 (H) NR: OLSON
02/11/14 (H) STA AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106
02/11/14 (H) Heard & Held
02/11/14 (H) MINUTE(STA)
02/13/14 (H) STA AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106
02/13/14 (H) Heard & Held
02/13/14 (H) MINUTE(STA)
02/18/14 (H) STA AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106
BILL: HB 212
SHORT TITLE: DRIVER'S LICENSING EXEMPTION: MILITARY
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) ISAACSON, HUGHES, LEDOUX
01/21/14 (H) PREFILE RELEASED 1/10/14
01/21/14 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
01/21/14 (H) MLV, STA
02/04/14 (H) MLV AT 1:00 PM CAPITOL 120
02/04/14 (H) Heard & Held
02/04/14 (H) MINUTE(MLV)
02/11/14 (H) MLV AT 1:00 PM CAPITOL 120
02/11/14 (H) Moved Out of Committee
02/11/14 (H) MINUTE(MLV)
02/12/14 (H) MLV RPT 4DP 1AM
02/12/14 (H) DP: HIGGINS, HUGHES, FOSTER, LEDOUX
02/12/14 (H) AM: GRUENBERG
02/13/14 (H) MLV AT 1:00 PM CAPITOL 120
02/13/14 (H) -- MEETING CANCELED --
02/18/14 (H) STA AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106
BILL: HB 273
SHORT TITLE: EXTENDING COUNCIL ON DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) HOLMES
01/24/14 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
01/24/14 (H) STA, FIN
02/13/14 (H) STA AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106
02/13/14 (H) <Bill Hearing Rescheduled to 02/18/14>
02/18/14 (H) STA AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106
WITNESS REGISTER
REPRESENTATIVE BRYCE EDGMON
Alaska State Legislature
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: As prime sponsor, presented HB 199.
JOE MASTERS
Anchorage, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 199.
JAKE METCALFE, Executive Director
Public Safety Employees Association (PSEA) Local 803
Anchorage, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified during the hearing on HB 199.
MARK SPRINGER
Bethel, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 199.
STEVEN ARLOW, Captain
Alaska State Troopers
VPSO Support
Department of Public Safety (DPS)
Anchorage, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified during the hearing on HB 199.
NATHAN SOLORIO, Intern
Representative Doug Isaacson
Alaska State Legislature
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions during the hearing on HB
212, on behalf of Representative Isaacson, joint prime sponsor.
REPRESENTATIVE MAX GRUENBERG
Alaska State Legislature
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Addressed proposed Amendment 1 during the
hearing on HB 212.
AMY ERICKSON, Director
Division of Motor Vehicles (DMV)
Department of Administration (DOA)
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified during the hearing on HB 212.
JOMO STEWART, Project Manager
Fairbanks Economic Development Corporation (FEDC)
Fairbanks, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 212.
REPRESENTATIVE LINDSEY HOLMES
Alaska State Legislature
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: As prime sponsor, presented HB 273.
KRIS CURTIS, Legislative Auditor
Legislative Audit Division
Legislative Affairs Agency
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented an audit report and answered
questions during the hearing on HB 273.
LAUREE MORTON, Executive Director
Council on Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault (CDVSA)
Department of Public Safety (DPS)
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified and answered questions during the
hearing on HB 273.
ACTION NARRATIVE
8:04:09 AM
CHAIR BOB LYNN called the House State Affairs Standing Committee
meeting to order at 8:04 a.m. Representatives Keller, Gattis,
Isaacson, Hughes, and Lynn were present at the call to order.
Representative Kreiss-Tomkins arrived as the meeting was in
progress.
HB 199-VPSO FIREARMS
8:04:27 AM
CHAIR LYNN announced the first order of business was HOUSE BILL
NO. 199, "An Act relating to Department of Public Safety
regulations allowing village public safety officers to carry
firearms."
8:05:26 AM
REPRESENTATIVE BRYCE EDGMON, Alaska State Legislature, as prime
sponsor, presented HB 199. He recollected that at the prior
hearing on HB 199, on 2/13/14, Representative Hughes had asked a
couple questions.
8:07:01 AM
REPRESENTATIVE HUGHES explained that her questions had been in
regard to the screening and training of VPSOs, and she said she
would like the Department of Public Safety (DPS) to address
them.
CHAIR LYNN indicated he would hear other testimony first.
8:08:07 AM
JOE MASTERS stated that although he had worked in law
enforcement for over 30 years - as a Village Public Safety
Officer (VPSO) in Unalakleet, a rural police officer, an Alaska
State Trooper, and five years as commissioner of DPS - he was
testifying on his own behalf. He said he would discuss the
unique nature of VPSOs and their duties and the issue of their
safety. He said VPSOs are an important and integral part of the
safety of rural villagers. He said many communities with VPSOs
have no other source of law enforcement. Occasionally there are
village police officers (VPOs), but often they are not armed
either. He said over the past few years there has been an
increase in assaults on police officers in Alaska. Since 2002,
the rate of injury assaults on Alaska police officers increased
by 66 percent, while the rate of non-injury assaults increased
by 137 percent. He said there have been seven incidents over
the past several years where VPSOs have been threatened by
subjects using fire arms. He said the aforementioned incident
that ended Mr. Madole's life was widely publicized, but just
prior to that there was a known incident in Southwest Alaska,
outside of Bethel, where a VPSO was chased by a subject with a
shotgun and received pellets to the face. He said there was
also a VPSO in a community outside of Kotzebue, who was backed
down the street by a subject, who was tackled by another
bystander and did not shoot at the VPSO. He said there are many
similar examples. He stated that VPSOs have been law
enforcement officer for over 30 years in rural Alaska.
8:12:10 AM
MR. MASTERS said the idea of a VPSO being armed is not a new
concept; in the early '80s, a VPSO could be armed if their
communities accepted additional liability insurance. He said he
does not recall what the training requirement was.
8:12:45 AM
CHAIR LYNN asked Mr. Masters if there have been past incidents
where armed VPSOs misused their weapons.
MR. MASTERS answered that he does not recall any incidents
during the time he served as a rural officer, but cannot say for
certain. Mr. Masters relayed that in the early '90s there was a
transition course, which helped VPSOs fill traditional police
positions. He said he was a trainer in Sitka at the time and
also instructed courses in the use of firearms. He said during
that time there were no more problems as a result of the
training or relating to decisions of when the use of deadly
force was acceptable compared to any other law enforcement
academies. He acknowledged that there are people concerned
about training and background [checks] for VPSOs, which are
issues he said need to be addressed. Notwithstanding that, he
opined that it is time to offer the necessary tools to VPSOs
that are trained properly so that they can defend themselves.
He said under current statute, VPSOs are allowed to carry a
firearm, but only under extreme exigent circumstances; however,
those circumstances can happen so quickly that a VPSO may not
have time to go get a firearm. Mr. Masters emphasized his
strong support of HB 199. He revealed that when he was
commissioner, he had begun a regulation process to allow VPSOs
to be armed and address the training aspect, as well, because he
was sure that DPS "held the responsibility and the authority to
dictate what level of training and certification was required
prior to a VPSO being allowed to be armed."
8:16:30 AM
CHAIR LYNN expressed appreciation for Mr. Masters' testimony
because of his varied related job positions. He asked how the
training back at the time VPSOs were armed in the past compares
to the training proposed under HB 199.
MR. MASTERS answered that the amount of training given in the
1980s to all types of law enforcement officers was much less
than it is today. He posited that it is more relevant what kind
of training will be given today, and he warned against putting
too much detail in VPSO training to the point that it would be
above and beyond that which a police officer does.
8:19:13 AM
JAKE METCALFE, Executive Director, Public Safety Employees
Association (PSEA) Local 803, said Local 803 serves state
troopers, airport police, court service officers, and municipal
police departments in Ketchikan, Sitka, Juneau, Fairbanks,
Soldotna, Unalaska, and Dillingham. He said VPSOs are not
members of Local 803; however, the state troopers oversee them
and work with them on a daily basis. He related that from 1990-
[1994], he worked as an assistant district attorney, and from
1994-1997 he was a district attorney in Bethel, where he worked
in the capacity of prosecutor with VPSOs employed by the
Association of Village Council Presidents. He said the people
who worked in his office worked with VPSOs on a regular basis.
He said he thinks not only does he know how important VPSOs are
to villages, but he also has an understanding of their job
duties. He said VPSOs are certified to be VPSOs, not police
officers; law enforcement is a limited portion of what they do,
and it is done on a limited basis. He said VPSOs do not go
through the same amount of training as state troopers or
municipal police officers go through, which he explained is one
of the concerns that PSEA Local 803 has with the proposed
legislation.
MR. METCALFE said police officers receive a great deal of
training before being authorized to work alone with a weapon,
and he offered his understanding that under HB 199 and the
attached fiscal note, that training has not been considered. He
said PSEA Local 803 thinks that the fiscal note is not accurate,
because there is training that should be required. He said a
police certificate requires 900 hours of training, while a VPSO
certificate, which does not require the basic law enforcement
training, requires approximately 600 hours. Further, when a
police officer finishes training, he/she goes out in the field
with an experienced police officer for up to six months. He
said if the same thing is anticipated under HB 199, then that
would require a state trooper to do the field training, which
would mean a considerable amount of increased funding.
8:23:18 AM
MR. METCALFE stated that Captain Steven Arlow has given a
presentation on the VPSO Program to a couple of legislative
committees, and one statistic given is that there is about a 30-
percent turnover in the VPSO Program on a yearly basis. He said
that by his calculations, there is a complete turnover about
every three years. He said he thinks that turnover is something
that should be considered as repetitive in terms of the cost to
the state. He urged the committee to get more information about
the training that would be required and the true cost under HB
199 in arming VPSOs.
8:24:41 AM
CHAIR LYNN pondered whether the stress of working in remote
locations without proper defense is a factor in the high
turnover of VPSOs.
MR. METCALFE ventured there are a number of factors that go into
the turnover rate, including: the lack of a retirement program;
insufficient pay, and working outside ones own community. He
said part of it could be the stress of being unarmed; however,
much of what a VPSO does is not related to law enforcement. For
example, VPSOs are involved in search and rescue, fire, and
educating students in schools. He said the law enforcement
aspect involves helping state troopers with misdemeanor cases;
very seldom are they involved in felony cases other than to help
a trooper who is going into a community to investigate a felony.
He reiterated that there are many factors that go into the
turnover of VPSOs.
8:26:53 AM
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER challenged Mr. Metcalfe's testimony that a
turnover rate of approximately 30 percent means that there is a
complete turnover about every three years, because "you may get
turnover rates up because of problems in one area that can be
dealt with."
8:27:33 AM
MR. METCALFE said he appreciates Representative Keller's
comment, because there are a number of ways to look at the
issue. He opined that 30 percent a year is an amount that needs
to be considered in the cost of training, because 30 percent in
any program is costly.
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER clarified that his comment had not been
pointed to the 30 percent a year turnover, but rather to Mr.
Metcalfe's conclusion that that means the whole program turns
over every three years.
MR. METCALFE said 30 percent is huge amount that should be
considered in the cost of the proposed legislation.
8:29:09 AM
MARK SPRINGER said although he serves on the Bethel City Council
and is on the Alaska Municipal League (AML) Board of Directors,
he is testifying on behalf of himself. He said he has lived in
rural Alaska since 1976, in Hooper Bay, as a city administrator
who hired VPSOs. He opined that Mr. Metcalfe's characterization
of the job of a VPSO - as focused primarily on fire fighting,
search and rescue, and visiting schools - was a
mischaracterization of the work done by VPSOs. He said dispatch
cards will show that VPSOs enforce state laws every day. They
involve themselves in driving under the influence (DUI) and
domestic violence cases, conducting preliminary investigations
of serious crimes, securing crime scenes until state troopers
arrive, and assisting troopers with felony investigations. He
related one reason that it is said VPSOs do not do felony work
is that often a district attorney will not take felony paperwork
from a VPSO, even though a VPSO "may be, by dint of experience,
perfectly qualified to perform the initial part of a felony
investigation."
MR. SPRINGER stated his full support of HB 199 and urged the
committee's support. He concurred with the testimony of former
VPSO and commissioner of DPS, Mr. Masters. He said both Mr.
Masters and Mr. Metcalfe made an important point that VPSOs in
Alaska are not peace officers under state statute. He stated he
has always thought that they ought to be. He said they used to
be certified by the Alaska Police Standards Council (APSC), but
that ended more than ten years ago. He opined that the APSC
should be the agency that sets the standards for training for
VPSOs to carry firearms. He said Alaskans can be proud of how
the Alaska State Troopers' "consistent, judicious, and measured
application of force, and particularly deadly force, as compared
to a lot of other law enforcement agencies in the United
States." He indicated his confidence in allowing the
commissioner to set and enforce the standards for VPSOs to be
armed and be trained to the same degree as the troopers. He
described a situation where a trooper responds to a call where
there may be an inebriated person with a shotgun and the door
gets kicked in, and he said that is the type of situation he
wants to see VPSOs handle. He said there are a lot of
experienced VPSOs in the state; many in his region have been
certified police officers. He said when a police officer
becomes a VPSO, "the clock stops" on his "law enforcement time"
for the APSC. Mr. Springer concluded his testimony by relating
that he has had his life protected by a VPSO, and by reiterating
his support of HB 199.
8:35:17 AM
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON expressed appreciation for Mr.
Springer's testimony. He indicated that during its prior
hearing on HB 199, the committee learned that the requirements
for the minimum standards and training would be directed by the
APSC. He asked Mr. Springer to confirm that he supports that
portion of the proposed legislation.
MR. SPRINGER answered yes.
8:36:50 AM
REPRESENTATIVE HUGHES asked the next testifier, Captain Steven
Arlow, to address the issues of training, screening, and the
ability of Native corporations that hire VPSOs to conduct "extra
background screening or anything like that."
8:37:57 AM
STEVEN ARLOW, Captain, Alaska State Troopers, VPSO Support,
Department of Public Safety (DPS), said he has overseen the VPSO
Program for DPS for the last eight years and is familiar with
the issues that the program faces. He said he listened to the
previous testifiers and would like to outline the department's
current plan and address statements that were made. He relayed
there are ten contracting entities in the VPSO Program that will
be involved in all aspects of the department's decision-making
process. He said the department wants to hold VPSOs to the same
firearms training standard as that of Alaska State Troopers. He
said there has been discussion among the various nonprofit
groups and contractors regarding the possibility of doing a
polygraph test and psychological evaluation. He indicated a
cost of $400 related to evaluation. He said that is something
the department would entertain doing.
MR. ARLOW, regarding the question about turnover, said the
percentage is about 33 percent; however, he said it is not
accurate to say that the entire program is at 33 percent,
because it is more of a region-specific turnover. There are
some stable regions that have very little turnover. He said the
VPSO Program was designed to conduct search and rescue and fire
safety efforts and take part in school resource activities, as
well as take part in law enforcement; it was not intended to be
predominately law enforcement focused, but has morphed into that
because of the large volume of service calls in some areas. He
said that is where there is a high turnover rate. He said he
does not disagree that a high turnover rate is expensive for the
department; however, he said that percentage has been in the
program for several decades. He said the department has studied
the turnover and believes the cause is not pay or retirement,
because each nonprofit provides a 401-K base - one of them in
the Public Employee Retirement System (PERS) - and the current
pay for VPSOs is "fair and reasonable" and matches that of many
law enforcement entities in the state. He related that there
are some VPSOs who make $70,000 to $80,000 a year and a few,
with longevity, who are making six figures. He said he thinks
the attrition is due to burnout and a region in the state that
is experiencing a high volume of law enforcement work. He said
half of the turnover rate is a result of VPSOs making poor
choices on and off the job; they are being dismissed for failure
to perform their duties.
8:43:56 AM
CAPTAIN ARLOW stated that he does not disagree with Mr.
Metcalfe's characterization of the fiscal note as inaccurate,
but suggested Mr. Metcalfe might not understand the fiscal note
is a representation of what the department would like to do if
HB 199 passes. He explained that DPS is interested in starting
a pilot program where a few VPSOs in a particular region would
be put through a gamut of training and evaluation, introducing
the VPSOs into a community, and measuring the community
reaction. He said DPS anticipates that such a pilot program
would entail "less of a funding need right now." He said once
the department can verify that the program is well-received by a
community and that the VPSOs are using the firearms in the
manner in which they are trained, then it will feel more
comfortable in opening up the program.
8:45:21 AM
CAPTAIN ARLOW said firearm training is as much about when not to
use one as when to use one. During field training, a "seasoned
person" would be paired with a training VPSO to determine the
judgment of the VPSO. In regard to VPSOs not being members of
DPS, but rather being affiliated with non-profit entities, he
said continuity is paramount. He said the department's
insurance policy can be amended with language that would "help
in the relationship."
8:47:56 AM
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON asked if, under the pilot program, VPSO
time would count toward recertification of a municipal or police
officer whose certification had lapsed.
8:48:37 AM
CAPTAIN ARLOW responded that he would like to see that happen,
but said there will be "a considerable amount of structuring of
the Alaska Police Standards Council to get there."
8:49:35 AM
REPRESENTATIVE HUGHES thanked Captain Arlow for addressing her
concerns regarding training. She recalled testimony indicating
a high turnover of VPSOs in regions of the state where the large
portion of the duties of the VPSOs is in law enforcement, and
she asked Captain Arlow if he thinks the training program and
subsequent arming of those VPSOs would likely lower the turnover
rate.
CAPTAIN ARLOW said 30 percent is a high turnover rate. He
expressed his hope that training VPSOs to be equipped with
firearms would lower that rate, but he said time will tell. In
response to a follow-up question, he said he thinks that someone
in a uniform carrying a firearm increases people's perception of
authority. He related that right now the mere presence of a
VPSO makes people willing to report crime and over a period of
time, "we see that crime stabilizes and we have less reports of
paused service." He stated, "I think introduction to the
fire[arms] would certainly ... mirror that, as well."
8:52:42 AM
CHAIR LYNN opined that someone in uniform carrying a firearm
gives more perception of authority than does an unarmed officer.
8:53:05 AM
REPRESENTATIVE EDGMON expressed appreciation of all comments,
including those critical of bill. He talked about the
longstanding cooperative relationship between VPSOs, the
nonprofit agencies that hire them, and DPS. He said VPSO
coordinators meet quarterly and, in addition to that, meet with
the department. He said there have been numerous attempts over
the years to focus on the strengths and weaknesses of the VPSO
Program, most recently, in 2008, there was a Senate task force
addressing the VPSO Program, the result of which was the
commitment by former Commissioner Masters to increase the number
of VPSOs around the state. He offered his personal impression
that allowing VPSOs to carry arms will act as a deterrent [to
crime], decrease the number of VPSOs dropping out, and give
VPSOs the means to be law enforcement officers, which he said is
their charge. He thanked the committee for its work on the
proposed legislation.
8:55:18 AM
CHAIR LYNN, after ascertaining that there was no one else who
wished to testify, closed public testimony on HB 199.
8:55:29 AM
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER moved to report HB 199 out of committee
with individual recommendations and the accompanying fiscal
notes. There being no objection, HB 199 was reported out of the
House State Affairs Standing Committee.
8:55:45 AM
The committee took an at-ease from 8:56 a.m. to 9:01 a.m.
HB 212-DRIVER'S LICENSING EXEMPTION: MILITARY
9:00:56 AM
CHAIR LYNN announced the next order of business was HOUSE BILL
NO. 212, "An Act relating to an exemption from driver licensing
requirements for spouses of members of the armed forces of the
United States."
9:01:38 AM
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON, as joint prime sponsor, introduced HB
212. He said the proposed legislation would provide benefit for
service members. Every year hundreds of [military] service
members come to Alaska and are allowed to use their driver's
licenses from other states, while their spouses are not, and
that is not the case in many other states. He said the proposed
legislation does not give anybody a free driver's license; the
benefit would be extended only to spouses 18 years of age or
older, who have a legitimate driver's license from another
state. In response to the chair, he explained that 18 is the
age at which Alaska allows a person to possess a driver's
license. He said HB 212 simply gives to the spouse that which
is allowed the service member. He offered an example of a
military spouse in Fairbanks who was "detained unnecessarily"
and found to be driving with a license from another state beyond
90 days. He said the intent of the bill is to show that Alaska
is military-friendly and to recognize the driver's license
requirements of other states.
9:06:00 AM
CHAIR LYNN opined that HB 212 is a "pretty good bill." He
related that when he served in the military, he and his wife had
no problems using their California driver's licenses in the
various places in which they lived. He said he had not been
aware, before seeing HB 212, that the same is not true in
Alaska.
9:06:34 AM
REPRESENTATIVE GATTIS asked if the bill differentiates between a
military spouse who is working versus one who is not working.
9:07:37 AM
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON indicated that the issue is not whether
the spouse of the military member is working, but that he/she
has followed his/her spouse to Alaska.
9:09:11 AM
REPRESENTATIVE GATTIS clarified she wants to know if there
currently is a law that someone who works in Alaska has to
acquire an Alaska driver's license within a certain amount of
time. She offered her understanding that there is, and that the
amount of time is 30 days. She questioned whether that law
would conflict with the proposed legislation.
9:10:10 AM
NATHAN SOLORIO, Intern, Representative Doug Isaacson, Alaska
State Legislature, offered his understanding that irrespective
of employment status, any driver who moves to Alaska must obtain
an Alaska driver's license within 90 days; the only exception is
for members of the military stationed in Alaska.
9:10:58 AM
REPRESENTATIVE HUGHES rephrased Mr. Solorio's statement.
9:11:24 AM
REPRESENTATIVE KREISS-TOMKINS moved to adopt Amendment 1, which
read as follows [original punctuation provided]:
Page 1, line 1, following "spouses":
Insert "or same-sex partners"
Page 2, line 1, following "spouse" in both places:
Insert "or same-sex partner"
Page 2, line 3:
Delete "or spouse"
Insert "or the member's spouse or same-sex
partner"
Page 2, line 4, following "jurisdiction;":
Insert "to claim to an exemption under this
paragraph, a member's same-sex partner shall submit an
application for an exemption and, with the application
for exemption, two affidavits, one from the same-sex
partner and one from the member, stating that the
member and the same-sex partner
(A) are at least 18 years of age and are
each competent to enter into a contract;
(B) have been in an exclusive, committed,
and intimate relationship with each other for the last
12 consecutive months and intend to continue that
relationship indefinitely;
(C) have maintained a household together at
a common primary residence for the last 12 consecutive
months and intend to maintain a household together
indefinitely;
(D) consider themselves to be members of
each other's immediate family;
(E) are not related to each other to a
degree of closeness that would preclude them from
marrying each other in this state if they were of the
opposite sex;
(F) are not legally married to another
person;
(G) have not executed an affidavit
affirming same-sex partner status with another person
within the last 12 months;
(H) are each other's sole domestic partner
and each is responsible for the welfare of the other;
and
(I) share financial obligations, including
joint responsibility for basic living expenses and
health care costs;"
9:11:34 AM
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER objected.
9:11:41 AM
REPRESENTATIVE KREISS-TOMKINS said Amendment 1 is offered in the
spirit of inclusivity.
9:12:06 AM
The committee took a brief at-ease at 9:12 a.m.
9:12:50 AM
REPRESENTATIVE KREISS-TOMKINS said Amendment 1 would extend the
benefits that are offered under HB 212 to same-sex partners. He
said the amendment was offered in the previous committee of
referral, and he noted that Representative Gruenberg was present
in the room and could speak to the proposed amendment.
9:13:25 AM
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER spoke to his objection. He said the
proposed amendment would necessitate a change in the bill title.
Further, he opined there is no question that anyone who
considers Amendment 1 would say it changes the focus of the
bill. He explained he objects to Amendment 1 because there are
only 90 days in the legislative session and because the proposed
amendment is "not really germane to the bill." He said he
thinks the word "spouse" is used hundreds of times in statute,
and he remarked upon the possibility of "almost countless
discussion."
9:14:26 AM
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON stated his objection to Amendment 1. He
said during the last committee of referral, the Department of
Law (DOL) testified. He offered his understanding that DOL said
"spouse" is defined in statute, and if that definition is
changed in statute, it would apply to the use of the word spouse
in HB 212. He opined that Amendment 1 is trying to change the
scope of HB 212, almost to the point where it would need to be a
constitutional amendment. He said he would not want to see
those who could benefit from the proposed legislation to be
deprived of that benefit while the legislature waits for "legal
wrangling" or "a vote, if that ... comes to it." He said DOL
could come before the House State Affairs Standing Committee to
weigh in on the issue, if the committee wishes.
9:16:26 AM
REPRESENTATIVE MAX GRUENBERG, Alaska State Legislature, said the
issue of same-sex partners is of concern to a considerable
number of people in Alaska and across the country. He said
under current law in Alaska, "spouse" excludes same-sex couple.
He mentioned an Alaska Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) case that
was before the Alaska Supreme Court and another case named,
Schmidt, and he indicated that the Alaska Supreme Court decided
in both cases that to deny same-sex couples equal protection of
the law is a denial of the Alaska right of equal protection.
Both those decisions were based on the Constitution of the State
of Alaska. He said there are a number of federal cases "holding
similarly for federal benefits and things that involve federal
rights." He noted that a recent 9th Circuit Court of Appeals
case held that the exclusion of homosexuals on jury panels is a
denial of equal protection of the law. He offered his
understanding that that decision was made in Nevada, and both
the governor and the attorney general refuse to defend that law.
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG said, "This is something that society
is rapidly changing its views on." He said Amendment 1 is
carefully crafted so that it does not reach the issue of whether
it is unconstitutional to deny same-sex couples the right to
marry. He said the proposed amendment uses language from state
regulations that were adopted after the ACLU case, which does
not "say they are married," but says "they are entitled to the
benefit of the law ...." He stated, "This amendment does not go
beyond the scope of the term, as used in AS 28.15.021; it would
not make any other changes." He indicated Amendment 1 does not
seek to open the door to change other laws. He expressed
appreciation to Representative Kreiss-Tomkins for proposing
Amendment 1, and he surmised that the entire [Democratic] Caucus
feels the same on the issue. He noted that HB 212 was not
scheduled to be heard by the House Judiciary Standing Committee;
therefore, he suggested that if this issue is addressed by
adopting Amendment 1, the proposed bill would not need another
committee of referral to hear it before being heard on the House
floor. Representative Gruenberg stated he supports HB 212, but
"cannot support the affect, if not the intent, that's
discriminatory." He warned that any acceptance of
discrimination opens the door to further discrimination.
9:21:39 AM
CHAIR LYNN opined, "This subject certainly is ... a surprising
issue overall, but issue or not, I don't think it's germane,
really, to who gets a driver's license and who doesn't, which is
the main part of this bill."
9:21:59 AM
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER maintained his objection to Amendment 1.
9:22:03 AM
CHAIR LYNN requested a vote, but upon determining there was
further committee comment, voided the roll.
9:22:44 AM
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER offered his understanding that the intent
[of Amendment 1] - implied, if not said - was to "continue the
effort to pull it into Judiciary and continue this discussion by
the minority." He opined that "that makes it clearly a
political move." He restated his objection to Amendment 1.
9:23:10 AM
REPRESENTATIVE HUGHES said that "in the midst of the court
wrangling" she does not think it is wise to "take this on." She
referred to Representative Keller's previous mention of the word
spouse in statute and of the need to change the bill title that
would be brought about under Amendment 1. She said this would
be problematic, and she stated her intent to vote "no" on
Amendment 1.
9:23:47 AM
A roll call vote was taken. Representative Kreiss-Tomkins voted
in favor of Amendment 1. Representatives Gattis, Hughes,
Isaacson, Keller, and Lynn voted against it. Therefore,
Amendment 1 failed by a vote of 1-5.
9:24:25 AM
AMY ERICKSON, Director, Division of Motor Vehicles (DMV),
Department of Administration (DOA), stated that the division
would have no problem implementing [the proposed changes under]
HB 212. Regarding Representative Gattis' question about
acquiring a license if a person is employed or not employed, she
ventured the discussion pertains to vehicle registration. She
said a person who is from out of state must register his/her
vehicle within 60 days, unless the person is employed, in which
case he/she would have to register the vehicle within 10 days.
REPRESENTATIVE GATTIS asked if, under HB 212, a military spouse
who gets pulled over by the police would have something on
his/her license showing that military spousal status.
CHAIR LYNN remarked that military spouses have dependent
identification (ID) cards that can be shown with a driver's
license.
MS. ERICKSON offered her understanding that "you would provide a
military ID just to show the law enforcement officer that you
have reason to not have an Alaska license."
9:26:13 AM
JOMO STEWART, Project Manager, Fairbanks Economic Development
Corporation (FEDC), testified in support of HB 212. He said
Fairbanks is a military town and Alaska is a fairly military-
dependent state, and FEDC supports any easing of burden on
military staff and their spouses.
9:27:12 AM
CHAIR LYNN, after ascertaining that there was no one else who
wished to testify, closed public testimony on HB 212.
9:27:39 AM
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER moved to report HB 212 out of committee
with individual recommendations and the accompanying fiscal
notes. There being no objection, HB 212 was reported out of the
House State Affairs Standing Committee.
HB 273-EXTENDING COUNCIL ON DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
9:27:55 AM
CHAIR LYNN announced the final order of business was HOUSE BILL
NO. 273, "An Act extending the termination date of the Council
on Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault; and providing for an
effective date."
9:28:10 AM
REPRESENTATIVE LINDSEY HOLMES, Alaska State Legislature, as
prime sponsor, presented HB 273. She said the proposed
legislation would extend the Council on Domestic Violence and
Sexual Assault (CDVSA) for the eight years that were recommended
in the legislative audit. She reviewed that Alaska leads the
nation in sexual abuse and domestic violence and that CDVSA is
the entity that is charged with addressing this problem. She
said the council was created in 1981, and since then has served
Alaskans by funding and monitoring domestic violence and assault
programs and prevention activities. She related that the
council not only provides training, outreach, and statewide
public information programs, but it also acts as the state's
grant-making arm and coordinator for statewide efforts.
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES said the statutory mandate is:
To provide for planning and coordination of services
to victims of domestic violence and sexual assault or
to their families and to perpetrators of domestic
violence and sexual assault, and to provide for crisis
intervention and prevention programs.
9:29:44 AM
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES listed the following primary functions of
CDVSA: to develop, implement, maintain, and monitor domestic
violence, sexual assault, and crisis intervention and prevention
programs, in coordination with authorities in the field of
domestic violence and sexual assault; to break down "silos in
this area" and coordinate services between the Department of
Public Safety (DPS), the Department of Law (DOL), the Department
of Education & Early Development (DEED), Department of Health
and Social Services (DHSS), the Department of Corrections (DOC),
and other agencies; to oversee, monitor, coordinate and dispense
funds for existing and expanding services and programs to meet
domestic violence and sexual assault victims; to provide
technical assistance to programs around the state; to consult
with public employers and other agencies that are required to
provide continuing education programs; and to consult with other
agencies.
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES said there has been much discussion over
the years regarding the role of the council. In 2006, the
legislature established a task force, on which she served, which
came up with 26 recommendations. Some of the recommendations
were made into statute. All but two of the rest, she reported,
were fully addressed by the council. The final two
recommendations relate to batterers intervention, and she said
the council has been working diligently to address those. She
said the Division of Legislative Audit had three recommendations
for the council. The council has completely complied with two
of them, which were to implement written procedures to ensure
that public notices are posted in a timely manner and to improve
grant reward and monitoring policies and procedures. The
council has taken steps to comply with the third recommendation,
which was to work with DHSS to ensure that people providing
services are "fully up to speed" on how to address the needs of
victims of domestic violence and sexual assault. She said it is
actually the department's responsibility to create those
procedures; the council has made efforts over the last few
months to fulfill their role in working with the department.
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES stated that in light of the "mighty task"
in front of CDVSA and the fact that the council has been very
responsive over the years, she would urge the committee to
approve the eight-year sunset extension proposed under HB 273.
9:32:45 AM
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER asked if the council's membership includes
someone from DOC, so that that department has input regarding
the transition of people coming out of prison and the training
and counseling involved.
9:33:07 AM
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES answered yes, in response to one of the
aforementioned 26 recommendations, one of the council's seats is
now filled by either the commissioner or commissioner designee
of DOC.
9:33:25 AM
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON thanked Representative Holmes for
bringing HB 273 forward. He said he does not think anyone would
doubt the need for the council, but he questioned what steps are
being taken to ensure that the money allotted to CDVSA is being
used for the purposes intended.
9:33:59 AM
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES responded that there are standards in
place. For example, she said forms have been standardized, and
there is a method by which the content in forms submitted by
grantees is checked for accuracy. She deferred to Lauree
Morton, the executive director of CDVSA for further information.
9:35:52 AM
KRIS CURTIS, Legislative Auditor, Legislative Audit Division,
Legislative Affairs Agency, presented a sunset review of CDVSA,
dated May 21, 2013. She said the purpose of any sunset audit is
to determine if a council, or any other entity, is serving the
public's interest, and whether its termination date should be
extended. She said the division's audit report also provides a
summary of the council's organization and function, and a
description of its funding sources. She said the audit
concluded that the council is serving the public's interest by
funding and monitoring Alaskan domestic violence and sexual
assault programs and prevention response activities. The audit
also found that the council effectively served as the central
coordinator for related services throughout the state. She
reported that the Legislative Audit Division recommended the
maximum extension allowed in statute, which is eight years.
9:36:56 AM
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON asked Ms. Curtis if she foresees any
problems related to a misuse of funds.
MS. CURTIS responded that the audit found that the council has
controls in place, such as the aforementioned forms; however,
the problem was that the forms were not being used consistently,
which she said is a much easier problem to address. She said
the cause of the recommendation was staff turnover and a lack of
procedures. She said she cannot say what the current state is,
since the audit was done in the spring of 2013; however, she
reiterated that the division does consider "that type of
recommendation much easier to address."
9:38:33 AM
REPRESENTATIVE HUGHES asked if the council takes steps to ensure
the effective use of the funds given to nonprofit groups.
Further, she asked what amount "is being spent on these programs
on an annual basis."
9:39:22 AM
MS. CURTIS directed attention to a schedule on page 16 of the
audit, [included in the committee packet], which shows a
schedule of funding sources and expenditures. She said it shows
that in fiscal year 2012 (FY 12), the council granted $12.7
million in awards. There is an appendix to the report, which
shows who received the money in the account and how much they
received. In general, she reported, the council funded the
following: 20 community-based victim service programs, 6
community-based batterers' intervention programs, 3 prison-based
batterers' intervention programs, and 13 other related programs.
She said the audit found that there was some inconsistency in
the council's monitoring files - they did not always have
evidence of follow-up on some of their findings - and that
contributed to the recommendation.
9:40:48 AM
REPRESENTATIVE HUGHES indicated that her question stems from
feedback she has received from her constituents regarding their
concern about the accountability of non-profit organizations
that receive state funds.
9:41:09 AM
LAUREE MORTON, Executive Director, Council on Domestic Violence
and Sexual Assault (CDVSA), reported that over the past year,
there were over 9,330 people who sought assistance from the
funded programs. She continued as follows:
About 75 percent of them was related to domestic
violence, about 20 percent related to sexual assault,
3 percent to stalking, and about 30 percent to other
violent crime victims.
MS. MORTON said the council receives a federal grant through the
Victims of Crime Act (VOCA), which allows the council to fund
services for victims of other violent crimes. She said about 68
percent of the people who sought services were adults - of whom
79 percent were women and 17 percent were men - and about 28
percent were children. She indicated that 4 percent of those
who applied did not note age or sex. Ms. Morton said the
programs are generally supported in the respective communities;
in the past year there were over 3,000 volunteers who donated
over 78,000 hours of service.
MS. MORTON reported that there were 262 intakes into the
council-funded batterers' programs last year and 84 people who
completed the programs. She said the task force recommendation
still outstanding has to do with the programs. She said since
assuming her executive director role two years ago, the council
has been diligently working on its batterer's intervention
programs. She said current regulations narrowly define what a
program can look like. Back when the regulations were first
instituted in the mid '90s, there was only one program
available, which was crafted from "the Duluth model" from
Minnesota. Over the years, she said, programs have been made
more effective by being customized through consideration of
factors including a person's age, lethality, and cultural
affiliation. She explained that the council is in a year-long
process of revising the regulations and has entered into a
memorandum of agreement (MOA) with DOC to take that task on, and
the council will be reviewing the first draft of regulations at
its meeting the end of this month.
9:44:18 AM
MS. MORTON said the council also has a research component funded
through the governor's initiative, which looks at the statewide
population. She said the Alaska victimization survey was
conducted in 2010, and she reported that unfortunately, 58
percent of adult women in Alaska have been sexually assaulted,
suffered domestic violence, or both. She said the council plans
to repeat that survey in 2015 and, while it does not expect to
see the "lifetime number" to change in five years, it does hope
to see the start of "down-trending" in the past year.
MS. MORTON said the council has also put together a composite of
almost every statistic in the state regarding domestic violence
and sexual assault, which is called "the dashboard." She said
it shows about 36 different items on the dashboard, including
child abuse, elder abuse, how crimes are reported, the rates of
reports, how many incidents are accepted for prosecution, and
how many of those are successfully prosecuted.
MS. MORTON said the council also has an evaluation of one of the
state's significant primary prevention activities, which is
conducted through the school system and called, "The Fourth R."
She explained that added to the first three "Rs," [Reading,
wRiting, and aRithmetic], the fourth "R" is Relationships. She
indicated that the program has been in place for grades seven,
eight, and nine, and has existed for three years. She said the
program has gone through an institutional review board at a
college level and there are intervention schools where the
program is being actively used, as well as a control group of
schools, where it is not being implemented. The intent is to
have the final result at the end of this summer, and the council
hopes that The Fourth R will show an effect on young people's
ability to enter into respectful and nonviolent relationships.
9:46:34 AM
MS. MORTON relayed that the council coordinates several
activities around state, including: sexual assault response
team training for communities and the justice system to help
people protect themselves from re-victimization. She said it
brings together advocates, health care, and law enforcement to
create a seamless system for the victim who comes forward to
report an assault. She said the council also has a federal
program called, "Services Training Officers and Prosecutors"
(STOP), which uses federal funding to train first responders to
domestic violence and sexual assault. She said the council has
implemented several prevention activities, particularly through
the governor's initiative. One of them is called, Coaching Boys
Into Men, where coaches talk to boys about how to treat their
dating partners and the adult women in their lives with respect.
The theory is that coaches are natural leaders in schools and
can be roles models.
9:48:26 AM
MS. MORTON, in response to Representative Isaacson's previously
stated concern about ineligible groups possibly getting funded,
said the council has a request for proposal (RFP) process, which
is open every two years in a grant cycle. She said any eligible
entity can apply, and there are standards and regulations, by
which the council judges those applications to determine whether
the applicants qualify. The council makes the awards and then
it is "up to the staff to ensure that they are implemented
correctly and that the funds are being properly used." She
surmised Representative Isaacson may have read in the audit
something that was "not a failure in the practical day-to-day
matter of making sure that it was happening," but "a failure in
correctly ensuring all the paperwork was done." She said the
council has instituted ways to ensure that this does not happen
anymore: program coordinators meet on a quarterly basis with a
checklist of everything in the files. She said there is also a
routine business practice for on-sight evaluation files, where
they are checked for accuracy and completeness, and she signs
off on them.
9:50:14 AM
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON concluded that the council is ensuring
and approving eligibility and monitoring where funds are going
to make certain they are being used properly.
[MS. MORTON nodded.]
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON asked Ms. Morton to talk about the
success that the council has seen.
9:51:19 AM
MS. MORTON said she thinks the council has moved away from
looking at programs and their outputs to asking questions about
the quality of services provided, such as ascertaining whether
the people in the programs are safer, know about more resources,
and are better able to enter into the justice system. She said
there is a list of seven outcome measure questions in the short
term that the council started asking last year to determine if
there are ways to improve services to victims. She said the
council is also looking for intervention programs for batterers
as part of the regulation revision - "a way to think through
outcome measures and performance measures." She said she thinks
it is "a little more than recidivism." She mentioned "a high
mark to get back into the justice system" and figuring out why
patterns of behavior are actually changing. She ventured there
is more of a willingness to acknowledge problems and talk about
them, and, as communities, look for ways to stop violence and
sexual assault. She said she started this work in 1984, moved
to Alaska in 1989, where she worked in a crisis center in
Bethel, Alaska, for five years before moving to Juneau. She
said there is "a distinct difference in the air" where people
are saying they do not want sexual assault or domestic violence
to happen in Alaska any more.
9:53:24 AM
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON said he interpreted Ms. Morton's
testimony as meaning that the very presence of the council and
its perpetual focus on the issues is helping to bring awareness,
and that awareness is bringing people to a place where they want
to put a stop to [sexual assault and domestic violence].
MS. MORTON confirmed that is correct.
9:53:55 AM
REPRESENTATIVE HUGHES thanked Ms. Morton for her work. She
indicated that after hearing the statistics presented by Ms.
Morton, she thinks Alaska has a long way to go; however, she
said the headway that has been made is encouraging. She said
she thinks drugs and alcohol are key issues, and she asked Ms.
Morton to talk about how the council is making headway by
addressing them.
MS. MORTON said there is a program called, "Sisters," which
helps women who enter into programs who also have substance
abuse issues to coordinate efforts with a local substance abuse
program to give the women an opportunity to work toward their
sobriety. It also helps with childcare. She said not every
program in the state is able to provide that source, but it is a
model in the state being looked at by the council. Another
program just started this past year, she related, is a
cooperative agreement with the Division of Behavioral Health,
wherein victims who come to the council's programs and have an
identified mental health need are able to access 10 sessions
with behavioral health staff that have received a specific
amount of "trauma-informed care training." In terms of
prevention, she said one thing she has recently asked staff to
do is to work with the various prevention coordinators
throughout the administration that deal with sexual assault,
domestic violence, substance abuse, and mental health, suicide
prevention, to identify where there may be common concerns in
order to work better together. She expressed her hope that in
the next couple of months, the council will produce an agreement
of overarching strategies in the state and a list of how
individual programs feed into that.
REPRESENTATIVE HUGHES emphasized her belief that people are
medicating mental health issues with substance abuse, which then
leads to domestic violence and sexual abuse. She surmised that
many assaults are happening when people are under the influence
[of drugs and/or alcohol]. She expressed her hope that the
council will consider mental health first aid as it moves
forward.
9:58:06 AM
CHAIR LYNN asked Ms. Morton to restate the percentage of victims
that are men.
MS. MORTON answered about 17 percent of those in the council's
programs last year were men.
CHAIR LYNN, after ascertaining that no one else wished to
testify, closed public testimony on HB 273.
9:58:34 AM
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER thanked Ms. Morton for her work.
CHAIR LYNN echoed Representative Keller's thanks.
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER indicated that as a result of Alaska
becoming firm on the issue of sexual abuse and domestic
violence, there are more people in correctional facilities. He
said he has heard from constituents that even though the court
orders counseling, training, and programs, "nothing's available,
at least at one of the institutions." He indicated that letting
perpetrators [who have served their sentences] out of prison
[without having had counseling] would result in repeated
offenses and an increased problem. He asked the council to pay
attention to that. He noted that Deputy Commissioner Ron Taylor
is interested in and has ideas related to this issue.
10:00:02 AM
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER moved to report HB 273 out of committee
with individual recommendations and the accompanying fiscal
notes. There being no objection, HB 273 was reported out of the
House State Affairs Standing Committee.
10:00:12 AM
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business before the committee, the House
State Affairs Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 10:00
a.m.
| Document Name | Date/Time | Subjects |
|---|---|---|
| 01 HB 212 v.N.pdf |
HSTA 2/18/2014 8:00:00 AM |
HB 212 |
| 02 HB 212 Sponsor Statement.pdf |
HSTA 2/18/2014 8:00:00 AM |
HB 212 |
| 03 HB 212 Sectional.pdf |
HSTA 2/18/2014 8:00:00 AM |
HB 212 |
| 04 HB 212 Fiscal Note.pdf |
HSTA 2/18/2014 8:00:00 AM |
HB 212 |
| 05 HB212 Supporting Docs.pdf |
HSTA 2/18/2014 8:00:00 AM |
HB 212 |
| 06 HB 212 Supporting Letter.pdf |
HSTA 2/18/2014 8:00:00 AM |
HB 212 |
| 07 HB 212 Supporting Letter2.pdf |
HSTA 2/18/2014 8:00:00 AM |
HB 212 |
| 08 HB 212 Supporting Letter3.pdf |
HSTA 2/18/2014 8:00:00 AM |
HB 212 |
| 09 HB 212 Supporting Letter4.pdf |
HSTA 2/18/2014 8:00:00 AM |
HB 212 |
| 10 HB 212 Supporting Letter5.pdf |
HSTA 2/18/2014 8:00:00 AM |
HB 212 |
| 01 HB 273.pdf |
HSTA 2/18/2014 8:00:00 AM |
HB 273 |
| 02 HB 273 Sponsor Statement.pdf |
HSTA 2/18/2014 8:00:00 AM |
HB 273 |
| 03 HB273 Leg Audit for CDVSA.pdf |
HSTA 2/18/2014 8:00:00 AM |
HB 273 |
| 04 CDVSA Letter of Support HB273.pdf |
HSTA 2/18/2014 8:00:00 AM |
HB 273 |
| 05 fiscalNote DPS HB273.pdf |
HSTA 2/18/2014 8:00:00 AM |
HB 273 |